Thank you Ethan for your research and delivery of the muzzleloading news and videos! You are a great asset to our community! Keep it up brother, and thank you again!
i got a 1000 caps box of #11 and they were all corroded looked like been in water to me had several no fires now i have to look into each cap to see if it even has priming compound inside of my box was a little piece of yellow pad paper writing on it was some note in some language ( india type as far as i can guess script ) sorry did not keep note. i should have i was wondering if these had been shipped over seas and brought back to fill our demand just a blind guess
I just got some remington caps last week. Its good to see big green back and helping provide what they can. P.s I took them to the range and fired maybe 15 caps, all worked perfectly.
Thanks for the update! I know here in Georgia some small shops are charging $40 for 100 RWS caps. Have you ever made your own? I have thought about buying a #11 cap maker and the Prime All repriming compound. As always, it's a joy to get to watch your videos.
I have used the Prime all self made caps for a few years. They all have worked rather well for me. Time consuming, yes, but rewarding and makes one more self reliant.
Hi Ethan this is John in WV just watched your Visio on your channel on chi caps : I have some recent # 11 caps no problem with corrosion the problem I had in the fall championship at Friendship during my shotgun matches had several no fires . When I was reloading my caper I noticed several caps with no fullminate in the cap but laying in the capper. Not sure of the problem but now I check every cap when put in the capper and before going on the nipple . Some of the guys I shoot with have said they observed the same thing . In short check your cape before hand . Thanks for the corrosion heads up .
I've had the odd cap not have any priming compound in them but I've never seen corroded caps. I always check all of the caps i get. Disappointing that cci is letting these leave the factory. I use their caps a lot and have never had a problem with them. For sure going to be looking closer at them next time i buy some.
I had been purchasing caps last yr. I had 4 (FOUR) entire tins that were bad. Unfortunately I had been purchasing for multiple places,so no idea what exact company I purchased from. I have more I haven't checked yet. As I go through them I check a few tins.
I caught some number #11 caps on sale for $1.00 n 209's was $2.00 at Walmart in Kentucky at the end of the hunting season 8 years ago or so got like 1100 no.11's n 900 209's caps still have 500 left of the 11's n they still look brand new. At the time i didn't know they would be so hard to fine now or would have gotten more.
P. S ETHAN I have been shooting black powder rifles for a long time and I learned years ago with granulated powder not to pack my bullets down to hard and crush the powder grains downs and crush the powder into dust almost and hard . Because it changes the ignition of the powder and it causes spikes in ignition high spikes and Lower spikes in ignition causeing your bullets not to hit your target consistent. I get very good groups at 100 yards with grainular powder like triple 7 powder by weighing it on a digital scale and when I push my bullet down the barrel I just push it firm against the powder and don't ram on it. Just push it to the powder firmly we just want the air space out. And I have my packing rod marked just flush with the tip of my barrel for the type bullet I'm using and my powder charge. And in doing this every time my 40 caliber Lancaster long rifle with double set triggers and one inch across my barrel and a 1 in 36 twist I'm shooting a 1 and quarter inch group. I made the barrel my self and I think its doing pretty good job so far and I use paper patch boolits 275 gr. And 80 grain by weight of powder triple 7 powder. I like it because it doesn't stink like rotten boiled eggs and my rifle has never rusted anywhere yet. Oh my side lock ignition with hammer and nipple was supposed to be no.11 percussion but when I started building my rifle I came across a replacement for the nipple in Cabela's and its for hawkens and other percussion caps and it takes a 209 primer in it and it has a screw on cap with a firing pin for hammer to hit and it works great and it's water proof. Thanks for your videos I like watching them and you do a great job making your videos
When I loaded black powder ( Goex) it likes compression unlike Swiss powder that doesn't like heavy compression.... just firm packing. In my long range rifles, I also use a disc of news print down in the case against the flash hole before the powder and compressing the load. It really helps the ignition brisonance, making for a more uniform ignition. Works great for me.
Not me and I been doing black powder shotguns, rifles, and pistols for decades. My stock is at least 10 years old. Bought thousand ( several bricks) back years ago just to avoid this crap.
I just purchased a couple of tins from Cabela's in St Louis Missouri .number 11s I haven't opened them yet but the packaging looks new on the outside. Remington brand. They can ship these Nationwide but you're going to have to pay a steep hazardous item fee. It was 13 months ago when this store had any. I have three cap locks and four flintlocks.
It may be a different alloy of copper for the CCI's vs the RWS? I've only ever been able to buy CCI caps here on the west coast, and I can't remember ever seeing CCI caps that were really polished looking.
You should make a video on those percussion cap makers, I know your a pretty thorough guy and I believe you would give the product a honest fair review. As well as with the cap shortage and newly found corrosion issue I think maybe making our own caps would be useful?
They do work, just take your time and seal them with alcohol and let them dry. Mine work great, since they are made from aluminum and are an adjustable fit.... no worries.
I have observed you using, a Small trickler to prime your flash pan. Would you show more details,what it is, where you got it and WHAT IS IT CALLED BY THE MANUFACTURER! THANKS!
We got some of good tens and only in some stores tho in Kansas and middle of state tho , far I know but I am one of lucky ones coz I make my on home moded lol
I can tell you, there are no #11 caps here in any shop in northern NY and the northeast in general. No shop can get them. As far as the CCI caps, I've been having issues with CCI caps for a while. I have had some that seem to sound louder than others and it's not in just one gun so it's not a lock or hammer/spring issue. I have seen caps, the last I did see a month ago, $18 for 100 for the small shops here, and they all sold out almost overnight.
Second comment, I just opened one tin and I have a cap that barely has any primer, none of the reddish covering. But the copper is nice and bright in this tin. All of these 5 are stamped EO2E301.
Got two tins of #11 from CCI. One looks good. The other looks like the ones you just showed. Guess I'll use the corroded ones for target practice. That's no good. Thanks for the update.
Last June at the Nationals I ran into a tin that was too small to fit on the nipple properly. The hammer crushed the top of the caps leaving them like little chefs hats. The priming could not reach the top of the nipple to detonate. Switched tins and everything was fine. Quality control was a bit lacking in this case. Anyone else run into this issue?
A month ago I could find 6-7 tins in any walmart I went in to and now I can't find a single tin anywhere, this on top of the fact that there is still a plethora of 209 primers everywhere and now the quality of caps failing kinda makes me think that this is not coincidence, finding powder was an issue last year and now caps are getting to be an issue and with the muzzleloaders that are coming on the market now days are preloaded sticks that load at the breech and take 209s it feels like we are being pushed out of traditional muzzleloading, just my thoughts on it.
Looking at the oxidised condition of the opened tin you show I would think this is an old batch that has turned up at the back of the warehouse, that would also explain the failure rate. CCI should be asked for an explanation on this.
@@ILoveMuzzleloading It may be that these are returns from recent flooded areas, they really do not look as good as some of my 100 year old Eley caps which still look new and shiny, someone is pushing these back onto the market exploiting the lack of availability, it really does no good for the image and trust in CCI when they do this. Chris B.
WOW my 25 year old caps are bright and shinny and all work. I have #10 and #11 caps. I also #10 and #11 nipples for my revolvers. I was thinking about picking up more #11 caps just incase but now I am not sure.
I've been considering buying a percussion since I've used flintlocks. But if this is an issue, I'll stick with flintlock. Would you do a video on making the caps for us? Also, since I don't shoot percussion what are the differences with the numbers? Isn't the industry standard with percussion caps and using them in all rifles? If now can you explain?
Hey, I’m not sure if it makes a difference but I bought a bunch from Walmart here in Florida. The packaging was not airtight if that matters.🤔 I tried to use one of the packages to soak my 1858 nipples and the Windex drained right out.
I got about 2K CCI's about 6 months ago, not air tight! just folded plastic packaging for each tin to hang up on peg boards, 10 to a cardboard box? I put them in proper storage. Have not tested as my Last CCI caps yet? the CCI's before left a "Bad Taste" in my mouth, shooting RWS caps Happily now!
If you go online, the prices will scare you. On Gunbroker right now, the cheapest I saw was two 100 cap tins of #11's for $80. It's getting so that percussion caps are like .22 ammo in 2012 and you just can't get them and it looks to me like CCI and the other companies, even Remington, has no real interest in getting out caps like they used to. I can tell you right now, I am looking to see which of my guns I have right now I can switch over to musket cap nipples because the local gun shop up here has those in stock and no one seems to bother with them at all.
Wal Mart is out again in the Oklahoma Panhandle but they do have 209 black powder primers. CCI doesn't care about their very smallest group of customers. If they cared they would make their No.10 percussion caps the same size as Remington No.10's! And of course Wal Mart doesn't care about black powder shooters or if they do it is only in the most basic one size fits all manner, only inline rifles, only .50 caliber Hodgdon sub standard substitutes only nothing for flintlock shooters or revolver shooters. Wal Mart is a place to look for CCI percussion caps once a year for a week at most 2 weeks. My motto for Walmart the rest of the time is, "Walmart, Walmart, that's our store, we shop there because we are Poor!
That actually could be part of the problem, as clay cat littler is not really the best desiccant to store stuff in. As when that stuff gets wet, it tends to hold water and thus cause corrosion. Basically it is like storing stuff in dirt, which is in a sense what it is.
I have given up waiting for CCI/Remington caps to become available in my area, and am resigned to the hard reality of paying a premium price for RWS caps. Otherwise, might as well just use my cap and ball revolvers as paperweights.
After years as a cowboy shooter I thought I would go back 60 years and learn muzzleloading. Like a lot of people I started by assembling a Traditions St. Louis Hawken, which came out great, and am dreaming of moving up to a flintlock. Of course I want to shoot my new rifle. It took me a while to get percussion caps. Finally I bought some. I have had more difficulty buying powder or black powder substitute. Good luck finding actual powder. I am shooting Triple 7 with which I am familar from cowboy shooting. Then I discovered that Triple 7 doesn't do well with regular #11 caps in a side lock percussion gun like the Hawken. Magnum caps , recommended by I Love Muzzleloading, can't be found. This is turning into a very frustrating activity. Am I going to have to learn how to make my own black powder. Otherwise I am looking forward to building my next rifle. I just want to get familar with the first one. By the way for years I endured CCI's response to primer shortages sayihng it is unable to produce enough primers to service the military and civilian markets. Apparently Americans do a lot of shooting but CCI can't bring itself to build an additional production line.
I'm maybe a year ahead of you - it's worth being patient. I get a lot of enjoyment out of it once I got everything I needed, but it did take a hot minute. Hang in there bud!
Buffalo Arms and Graf and Sons have Swiss and Schuetzen in stock now. So you shouldn't have problems getting Black Powder for your Muzzleloader. If you do a combined order with other shooters that will save you on Hazmat/Shipping.
Those really do not look newly produced. They look like they have been in storage for a very, very long time. I have my storage from around 2000 or so, so around 20 something years, and they are still shiny with the bright color inside and 'new' in all respects. These, on the other hand, look like they were stored in a leaky barn since the 40's. Just incredible. Something is not right here.
I wonder if when CCI stopped the production line, they had cups or unpackaged caps that sat open until they started the line again? Storing them where and who knows what kind of climate conditions.
They had to have been stored where moisture could get to them I too have some that I have had for years and still look new. I did go ahead and buy to more packages since hard to find and plan on doing some shooting and one of the two where old. It's crazy they are putting these in the market!
Percussion caps are not being produced for ESG protocols in the USA. We need to look into other sources besides American makers. The empty percussion shells could be sourced from Asia. Remington and CCI are history, as I see it. Also Europe is under the rule of the WEF another ESG imposer.
Got me some of the RWS caps and had ZERO Fail but for One My Fault! as I did not clear paper from vent after lots of shooting paper cartridges. my CCI caps had such a Fail Rate, I started making my own a few years! Ago.
The issues with caps and powder is bs. Nmlra received goex powder this year as well as a large supply of caps. What in the heck is going on cant get anything in Washington State for some reason. And no date in sight to sell goex to the general public in sight its sad!
GOEX is actively fulfilling distributor orders with the goal of filling all orders by the end of the year. The NMLRA does not sell caps, and the retailers there said they received 1/10th the caps they normally receive from CCI.
Ethan any chance of having a production run number on the tins when the problem started like on over-the-counter medication has to put production runs on them. Please let us know if you find anything like that out from CCI if you could ask them.
Perhaps between the manufacturing and packaging of the caps, there was a lag time and moisture got to the caps before packaging. You lock in the moisture and there is nothing externally you can do to prevent corrosion and degradation. I certainly won't be buying new lots of CCI primers until they cull out this lot and provide new lots to sell.
And that is why I shoot my rock crushers ( flintlocks) 90 % of the time. That's why most of the old timers / mountain men stoll used their flinters well past the 1840's. They could always find flintb or chert to get their rifles to function. A percussion gun eithout caps is just a club.
I'm not so worried about the copper color, but I'm seeing "junk" on top of the primer material. I just opened 2 tins thatvI got from Walmart a few months ago, simply wanted to check them. I'll have to get pictures of the caps and lot numbers from the tins and send them to your email. The copper on these are also dull. It stinks that these are made once a year, and then QC is poor, nothing to trade defective product for. At least this time I only paid $6 a tin.
This is just another reason I just bought a Kibler flintlock kit. I also have an old Tap-O-Cap which makes caps from old tin cans and well, caps from rolls of caps like the kind we played with as kids. Maybe some machinist should design a nipple replacement that would screw into our Muzzleloaders and would take a small rifle primer instead of these caps and that would solve our problem??
ETHAN we are not getting any no.11 or no.10 percussion caps in south east Georgia Waycross Georgia or blackshear ga. I asked them at Walmart in Waycross Georgia and they said they couldn't get any and the sporting goods store in blackshear Georgia said they couldn't get any in and he even check on them on the computer at the store and said they couldn't get any but they were going to keep trying. But they have plenty of 209 primers for inline black powder rifles and for reloading shot gun shells and he said all the primers they did get in for reloading was large pistol primers and large rifle primers. He told me at the store that it's probably because of the war in Ukraine and they are useing all the small rifle primers and small pistol primers for ammunition for the military ammunition and Ukraine. I asked him to please keep trying to get no.11 percussion caps and small pistol and rifle primers for reloading. Some times there's a man that lives not far from me about 4 miles away that buys lots of primers and powder for reloading ammo for his self but I can't understand why he wants to buy so much 223 powder and primers. I seen him before buying 5000 small rifle primers and lots of powder and hoarding it when all us others that load out personal 223 cal. Ammo for hunting and 9 MM.pistol bullets and 45acp.rounds and we can't get powder . Primers or bullet tips . I asked the owner to stop letting him hoard all the primers . powder and bullet tips because we are customers also and would like to buy some reloading supplies and never get to get any at all. I told the owner that's a good way to lose lots of customers that buy lots of other things also because it's the only place close to our homes. But I said if it takes it we will spend money on gas and drive 60 miles one way to a different store and do business there. I ask him nicely again put a limit on how much that man can buy so we can all buy primers and powder and bullet tips also. I found out later the man buying all the primers and powder and bullet tips is stocking it up and then reselling it out of state and making a whole lot more money for all of it than he pays for it and then he keeps some for his self and the amount he gets out of what he sells pays for all his reloading supplies and I mean a lot of it . He buys all the one pound containers and 8 pound containers. Like 10 one pound cans and 5 jugs of 8 lbs. Containers and over 10.000 primers in a big box and they are CCI small rifle primers and small pistol primers. And every Hornady 45 cal. And every 223 Hornady bullets tips thats there I don't know how many 1000s he's getting in bullet tips but I know there is 100 count in a box of 223 cal. Vortex and like 100 45. Cal.tips in a box. ETHAN what do you think about what's going on here where I live and all the other people that live here that reloads there on ammo for hunting and self defense rounds. We don't load many at the time just a box of 100 or maybe 200 rds. Because its cheaper than buying factory ammo and I load precision rifle ammo almost like competition shooters use and it's only for my rifle with my fire formed chambered brass . It shoots way better accuracy in my barrel and my brother tried some in his rifle and the grouping of the bullets were different like 3 inch group my AR 15 groups them at 100 yards half of a inch
Yeah I live in Offerman Georgia and about every time I go to get reloading supplies they don't have what I want for 223 and 45 because they're is a man living in Patterson ga that buys all he can get from the hardware store in blackshear and it wrong that he is doing that because he doesn't need that much ammo! I've been to his place and he has more ammo and powder and primers than fort Stewart. And he want sell any of it. Must have over half million rounds and a heck of a lot of powder and primers shell casings and bullet tips. And he lives on highway 32 Patterson
I bought 3 thousand CCI caps last month at Wal-Mart. had to hit 3 different stores to get that many. Thet were $5.62 a pack. I just checked all 30 tins and they were perfect. What gives? Was someone hoarding in thier backyard shed? I swear by CCI! Remington? Not so much. RWS? No thanks.
There is no quality control or customer service at CCI, period. I ordered 500 rounds of 22lr directly from them. These came in the plastic boxes with the slide tops. ALL 5 boxes were crushed/smashed when I received them. The cardboard shipping box was fine, which means they put them in there already busted up. Needless to say, much of the ammo was trashed completely. I called and emailed no less than 10 times... no answers, no responses, no replacement, no refund, and not a single F given by Vista Outdoors(the parent company)... some of their other brands include Alliant Powder, Federal ammo, Speer ammo, and Remington... None of which even attempt to meet demand, all have piss poor customer service or none at all... Hell, it's a miracle if Remington goes 30 days without going bankrupt or rolling over for libturds, like the French rolled over for the Germans in 1940.
The anti-gun crowd has slowly infiltrated the gun industry upper levels of management/ownership. It is going to get worse, folks. I must relate an issue I had with a brick of Remington Golden bullets. The lot number was on recall list. I called Remington, they sent me shipping label and a refund check. That is pretty good service in my view.
@@tonyv8925 that's not service, that's covering their ass... recalls are usually for a reason that could potentially lead to a company getting sued (contaminated food, ammo with a double charge or no charge at all, ect...).
SOUTH WEST VA there are no caps making me buy what I can on line and there not close to the prices you said $38 bucks for a tin of 250 #11 hazmat and the cost to ship on top of all that I do not by into they make little money from these 10 and 11 caps people like me will buy 10 thousand 20 thousand caps if I could find them in a store at the price you said but that will never happen where I live a few small gun shops or pawn shops by me and 1 Walmart that I know will never sell them so on line is the only choice I have, some maker of caps needs to steep up to the plate and help Americans looking to spend there money on a sport they love HELP US and less talk
My caps arent shiny boo freaking hoo. The shinyness of copper has no bearing on its function. Copper corrosion is green, and I see none of that, only discoloration from what is most likely an annealing step in the manufacturing process that was never abrasive tumbled away.
Thank you Ethan for your research and delivery of the muzzleloading news and videos! You are a great asset to our community! Keep it up brother, and thank you again!
Glad I stocked up on them several years back
Looks like you have a nice Richardson Flooring saw hanging back behind you
i got a 1000 caps box of #11 and they were all corroded looked like been in water to me had several no fires now i have to look into each cap to see if it even has priming compound inside of my box was a little piece of yellow pad paper writing on it was some note in some language ( india type as far as i can guess script ) sorry did not keep note. i should have i was wondering if these had been shipped over seas and brought back to fill our demand just a blind guess
I just got some remington caps last week. Its good to see big green back and helping provide what they can. P.s I took them to the range and fired maybe 15 caps, all worked perfectly.
CCI and Remington are both owned and produced by Vista. They also own Federal ammunition too...... Go figure??
I love to hear this
Good information brother, thank you 👍☕️☕️✌️
I have stocked up in NC over the past couple of weeks and the 11s from Academy all look pretty shiny copper
That’s wonderful!
Thanks for the update! I know here in Georgia some small shops are charging $40 for 100 RWS caps. Have you ever made your own? I have thought about buying a #11 cap maker and the Prime All repriming compound. As always, it's a joy to get to watch your videos.
I have used the Prime all self made caps for a few years. They all have worked rather well for me. Time consuming, yes, but rewarding and makes one more self reliant.
Thank you for info/update.
Appreciate all you do.
Take Care Stay Safe
Hi Ethan this is John in WV just watched your Visio on your channel on chi caps : I have some recent # 11 caps no problem with corrosion the problem I had in the fall championship at Friendship during my shotgun matches had several no fires . When I was reloading my caper I noticed several caps with no fullminate in the cap but laying in the capper. Not sure of the problem but now I check every cap when put in the capper and before going on the nipple . Some of the guys I shoot with have said they observed the same thing . In short check your cape before hand . Thanks for the corrosion heads up .
I've had the odd cap not have any priming compound in them but I've never seen corroded caps. I always check all of the caps i get. Disappointing that cci is letting these leave the factory. I use their caps a lot and have never had a problem with them. For sure going to be looking closer at them next time i buy some.
Yikes. Glad I stocked up on Remington #11s a couple years ago.
Great. I just got a few tins through Cabelas. Guess I'll have to check them out. Thanks for the update!
I got a thousand 11magnum cci from Cabelas aver a year ago & first tin of 100 had 5 with no priming compound in them just empty caps
I had been purchasing caps last yr. I had 4 (FOUR) entire tins that were bad. Unfortunately I had been purchasing for multiple places,so no idea what exact company I purchased from. I have more I haven't checked yet. As I go through them I check a few tins.
Those sons of bitches where holding onto caps and saying they didn’t have any and are releasing them seasonally at a arbitrarily high price!
Thank you for the information, Like your shirt.(PA. Fed of blackpowder shooters) ??
What makes you think these are new manufacture?
I caught some number #11 caps on sale for $1.00 n 209's was $2.00 at Walmart in Kentucky at the end of the hunting season 8 years ago or so got like 1100 no.11's n 900 209's caps still have 500 left of the 11's n they still look brand new. At the time i didn't know they would be so hard to fine now or would have gotten more.
P. S ETHAN I have been shooting black powder rifles for a long time and I learned years ago with granulated powder not to pack my bullets down to hard and crush the powder grains downs and crush the powder into dust almost and hard . Because it changes the ignition of the powder and it causes spikes in ignition high spikes and Lower spikes in ignition causeing your bullets not to hit your target consistent. I get very good groups at 100 yards with grainular powder like triple 7 powder by weighing it on a digital scale and when I push my bullet down the barrel I just push it firm against the powder and don't ram on it. Just push it to the powder firmly we just want the air space out. And I have my packing rod marked just flush with the tip of my barrel for the type bullet I'm using and my powder charge. And in doing this every time my 40 caliber Lancaster long rifle with double set triggers and one inch across my barrel and a 1 in 36 twist I'm shooting a 1 and quarter inch group. I made the barrel my self and I think its doing pretty good job so far and I use paper patch boolits 275 gr. And 80 grain by weight of powder triple 7 powder. I like it because it doesn't stink like rotten boiled eggs and my rifle has never rusted anywhere yet. Oh my side lock ignition with hammer and nipple was supposed to be no.11 percussion but when I started building my rifle I came across a replacement for the nipple in Cabela's and its for hawkens and other percussion caps and it takes a 209 primer in it and it has a screw on cap with a firing pin for hammer to hit and it works great and it's water proof. Thanks for your videos I like watching them and you do a great job making your videos
When I loaded black powder ( Goex) it likes compression unlike Swiss powder that doesn't like heavy compression.... just firm packing.
In my long range rifles, I also use a disc of news print down in the case against the flash hole before the powder and compressing the load. It really helps the ignition brisonance, making for a more uniform ignition. Works great for me.
I have always had trouble with CCI caps
I have used them for decades with absolutely no issues.
However my stock is more than several years to 10 years old and not new.
Not me and I been doing black powder shotguns, rifles, and pistols for decades. My stock is at least 10 years old. Bought thousand ( several bricks) back years ago just to avoid this crap.
I just purchased a couple of tins from Cabela's in St Louis Missouri .number 11s I haven't opened them yet but the packaging looks new on the outside. Remington brand. They can ship these Nationwide but you're going to have to pay a steep hazardous item fee. It was 13 months ago when this store had any. I have three cap locks and four flintlocks.
Haven't seen any percussion caps in N. Michigan
Thanks for the heads up
It may be a different alloy of copper for the CCI's vs the RWS?
I've only ever been able to buy CCI caps here on the west coast, and I can't remember ever seeing CCI caps that were really polished looking.
Thank you! I should have emphasized the failure rate over the corrosion
You should make a video on those percussion cap makers, I know your a pretty thorough guy and I believe you would give the product a honest fair review. As well as with the cap shortage and newly found corrosion issue I think maybe making our own caps would be useful?
Hoping to soon
Yeah make some my own but they're so corrosive
I'm just glad I haven't run out of Remington's
They do work, just take your time and seal them with alcohol and let them dry.
Mine work great, since they are made from aluminum and are an adjustable fit.... no worries.
Yeah. Alot of my CCI no.11 were partial or sloppy fills too. I miss shooting my cap and ball. (West coast is bad)
Has the issue included the CCI magnum no 11 caps as well ?
I have observed you using, a Small trickler to prime your flash pan.
Would you show more details,what it is, where you got it and WHAT IS IT CALLED BY THE MANUFACTURER!
THANKS!
We got some of good tens and only in some stores tho in Kansas and middle of state tho , far I know but I am one of lucky ones coz I make my on home moded lol
Had bad experience with Cci caps earlier this year.. Was having misfire after misfire. Had to contact cci and they reimbursed me but still no good.
I can tell you, there are no #11 caps here in any shop in northern NY and the northeast in general. No shop can get them. As far as the CCI caps, I've been having issues with CCI caps for a while. I have had some that seem to sound louder than others and it's not in just one gun so it's not a lock or hammer/spring issue. I have seen caps, the last I did see a month ago, $18 for 100 for the small shops here, and they all sold out almost overnight.
A Walmart right outside Albany has several tins of #11
None in eastern nc.
@@epichistorymaker1888Albany is an hour and a half south of where I am.
Second comment, I just opened one tin and I have a cap that barely has any primer, none of the reddish covering. But the copper is nice and bright in this tin. All of these 5 are stamped EO2E301.
Is Remington caps ever coming back I shoot mostly revolvers I have been having a few bad cci caps lately
I just bought Remington caps at BassPro
Got two tins of #11 from CCI. One looks good. The other looks like the ones you just showed. Guess I'll use the corroded ones for target practice. That's no good. Thanks for the update.
Last June at the Nationals I ran into a tin that was too small to fit on the nipple properly. The hammer crushed the top of the caps leaving them like little chefs hats. The priming could not reach the top of the nipple to detonate. Switched tins and everything was fine. Quality control was a bit lacking in this case. Anyone else run into this issue?
A month ago I could find 6-7 tins in any walmart I went in to and now I can't find a single tin anywhere, this on top of the fact that there is still a plethora of 209 primers everywhere and now the quality of caps failing kinda makes me think that this is not coincidence, finding powder was an issue last year and now caps are getting to be an issue and with the muzzleloaders that are coming on the market now days are preloaded sticks that load at the breech and take 209s it feels like we are being pushed out of traditional muzzleloading, just my thoughts on it.
Looking at the oxidised condition of the opened tin you show I would think this is an old batch that has turned up at the back of the warehouse, that would also explain the failure rate. CCI should be asked for an explanation on this.
Agreed
@@ILoveMuzzleloading It may be that these are returns from recent flooded areas, they really do not look as good as some of my 100 year old Eley caps which still look new and shiny, someone is pushing these back onto the market exploiting the lack of availability, it really does no good for the image and trust in CCI when they do this. Chris B.
Well done as usual eathan,😮
Hi maybe are old caps from some storage?
I found them in a gun store in AL for 19.99 per 100.
CCI #11
WOW my 25 year old caps are bright and shinny and all work. I have #10 and #11 caps. I also #10 and #11 nipples for my revolvers. I was thinking about picking up more #11 caps just incase but now I am not sure.
I've been considering buying a percussion since I've used flintlocks. But if this is an issue, I'll stick with flintlock.
Would you do a video on making the caps for us?
Also, since I don't shoot percussion what are the differences with the numbers? Isn't the industry standard with percussion caps and using them in all rifles? If now can you explain?
Thank you.
Never been a fan of the CCI's, I want my Remington's back !
Hey, I’m not sure if it makes a difference but I bought a bunch from Walmart here in Florida. The packaging was not airtight if that matters.🤔 I tried to use one of the packages to soak my 1858 nipples and the Windex drained right out.
I got about 2K CCI's about 6 months ago, not air tight! just folded plastic packaging for each tin to hang up on peg boards, 10 to a cardboard box? I put them in proper storage.
Have not tested as my Last CCI caps yet? the CCI's before left a "Bad Taste" in my mouth, shooting RWS caps Happily now!
If you go online, the prices will scare you. On Gunbroker right now, the cheapest I saw was two 100 cap tins of #11's for $80. It's getting so that percussion caps are like .22 ammo in 2012 and you just can't get them and it looks to me like CCI and the other companies, even Remington, has no real interest in getting out caps like they used to. I can tell you right now, I am looking to see which of my guns I have right now I can switch over to musket cap nipples because the local gun shop up here has those in stock and no one seems to bother with them at all.
Wal Mart is out again in the Oklahoma Panhandle but they do have 209 black powder primers. CCI doesn't care about their very smallest group of customers. If they cared they would make their No.10 percussion caps the same size as Remington No.10's! And of course Wal Mart doesn't care about black powder shooters or if they do it is only in the most basic one size fits all manner, only inline rifles, only .50 caliber Hodgdon sub standard substitutes only nothing for flintlock shooters or revolver shooters. Wal Mart is a place to look for CCI percussion caps once a year for a week at most 2 weeks. My motto for Walmart the rest of the time is, "Walmart, Walmart, that's our store, we shop there because we are Poor!
You mentioned opening up to check the caps.
Issue with that. is that breaks the seal. So storage is REDUCED considerably. So i was told.
Caps shouls last a lifetime in storage is stored properly even after being opened.
That actually could be part of the problem, as clay cat littler is not really the best desiccant to store stuff in. As when that stuff gets wet, it tends to hold water and thus cause corrosion. Basically it is like storing stuff in dirt, which is in a sense what it is.
I have given up waiting for CCI/Remington caps to become available in my area, and am resigned to the hard reality of paying a premium price for RWS caps. Otherwise, might as well just use my cap and ball revolvers as paperweights.
After years as a cowboy shooter I thought I would go back 60 years and learn muzzleloading. Like a lot of people I started by assembling a Traditions St. Louis Hawken, which came out great, and am dreaming of moving up to a flintlock. Of course I want to shoot my new rifle. It took me a while to get percussion caps. Finally I bought some. I have had more difficulty buying powder or black powder substitute. Good luck finding actual powder. I am shooting Triple 7 with which I am familar from cowboy shooting. Then I discovered that Triple 7 doesn't do well with regular #11 caps in a side lock percussion gun like the Hawken. Magnum caps , recommended by I Love Muzzleloading, can't be found. This is turning into a very frustrating activity. Am I going to have to learn how to make my own black powder. Otherwise I am looking forward to building my next rifle. I just want to get familar with the first one. By the way for years I endured CCI's response to primer shortages sayihng it is unable to produce enough primers to service the military and civilian markets. Apparently Americans do a lot of shooting but CCI can't bring itself to build an additional production line.
I'm maybe a year ahead of you - it's worth being patient. I get a lot of enjoyment out of it once I got everything I needed, but it did take a hot minute. Hang in there bud!
Buffalo Arms and Graf and Sons have Swiss and Schuetzen in stock now. So you shouldn't have problems getting Black Powder for your Muzzleloader. If you do a combined order with other shooters that will save you on Hazmat/Shipping.
I'm in MO
They sat on them to raise the price. Now this is what happens.WAKE UP Corporate greed.Big surprise
Most likely 100% True. Just look at the stupid decisions other corporate owned companies are making.
Those really do not look newly produced. They look like they have been in storage for a very, very long time. I have my storage from around 2000 or so, so around 20 something years, and they are still shiny with the bright color inside and 'new' in all respects. These, on the other hand, look like they were stored in a leaky barn since the 40's. Just incredible. Something is not right here.
I agree I have musket caps that I have been holding onto for 25 years and they look nothing like that
I wonder if when CCI stopped the production line, they had cups or unpackaged caps that sat open until they started the line again? Storing them where and who knows what kind of climate conditions.
They had to have been stored where moisture could get to them I too have some that I have had for years and still look new. I did go ahead and buy to more packages since hard to find and plan on doing some shooting and one of the two where old. It's crazy they are putting these in the market!
I watch old ranger alot and he has caps probably 30yrs old that looks better than these lol!
Percussion caps are not being produced for ESG protocols in the USA. We need to look into
other sources besides American makers. The empty percussion shells could be sourced from Asia.
Remington and CCI are history, as I see it. Also Europe is under the rule of the WEF another ESG imposer.
I’ve found that RWS caps tend to be way better than cci
And you can find them!
Got me some of the RWS caps and had ZERO Fail but for One My Fault! as I did not clear paper from vent after lots of shooting paper cartridges. my CCI caps had such a Fail Rate, I started making my own a few years! Ago.
The issues with caps and powder is bs. Nmlra received goex powder this year as well as a large supply of caps. What in the heck is going on cant get anything in Washington State for some reason. And no date in sight to sell goex to the general public in sight its sad!
GOEX is actively fulfilling distributor orders with the goal of filling all orders by the end of the year.
The NMLRA does not sell caps, and the retailers there said they received 1/10th the caps they normally receive from CCI.
10% bad is pretty good for CCI. Even back in 2021 I was getting 30% bad ones.
me to. I was surprised when a CCI went Bang?
I have 4 tins of different cci caps, I consider myself to be out of caps.
A kit cap stash to go with your kit rifle.
Sees video thumbnail: gets very nervous….
I have to check my safe now
i think the rush back to market is the problem... the problems will get worked out but might not want to buy a 5000 case just yet
Ethan any chance of having a production run number on the tins when the problem started like on over-the-counter medication has to put production runs on them. Please let us know if you find anything like that out from CCI if you could ask them.
CCI has been dropping lots of balls.
You know, we did not used to have these problems in this country.
I wouldn't be shocked if the manufacturer had semi trailers stored somewhere full of caps, primers and even ammo.
i keep asking myself where the "CCI best primers so they cost more" comes from. they are not.
I’ve always heard that about RWS, not CCI personally
plain and simple these are old and supplier sat on them waiting on the price to rise
Even some rust around inside of tin lid!
What state or region are you in? Reports are looking semi regional so I’m trying to triangulate
Mo
Central MO
Le sharp rock, has arrived.
I have never seen caps that bad. Those must be old caps hiding in a warehouse
That CCI label just looks wrong. Possible that they're counterfeit?
Just checked my new ones I just bought this week from local store and one doesn't look new at all 🤬!
Perhaps between the manufacturing and packaging of the caps, there was a lag time and moisture got to the caps before packaging. You lock in the moisture and there is nothing externally you can do to prevent corrosion and degradation. I certainly won't be buying new lots of CCI primers until they cull out this lot and provide new lots to sell.
And that is why I shoot my rock crushers ( flintlocks) 90 % of the time. That's why most of the old timers / mountain men stoll used their flinters well past the 1840's. They could always find flintb or chert to get their rifles to function.
A percussion gun eithout caps is just a club.
I'm not so worried about the copper color, but I'm seeing "junk" on top of the primer material. I just opened 2 tins thatvI got from Walmart a few months ago, simply wanted to check them. I'll have to get pictures of the caps and lot numbers from the tins and send them to your email. The copper on these are also dull. It stinks that these are made once a year, and then QC is poor, nothing to trade defective product for. At least this time I only paid $6 a tin.
I vacuum pack all my primer
This is just another reason I just bought a Kibler flintlock kit. I also have an old Tap-O-Cap which makes caps from old tin cans and well, caps from rolls of caps like the kind we played with as kids. Maybe some machinist should design a nipple replacement that would screw into our Muzzleloaders and would take a small rifle primer instead of these caps and that would solve our problem??
ETHAN we are not getting any no.11 or no.10 percussion caps in south east Georgia Waycross Georgia or blackshear ga. I asked them at Walmart in Waycross Georgia and they said they couldn't get any and the sporting goods store in blackshear Georgia said they couldn't get any in and he even check on them on the computer at the store and said they couldn't get any but they were going to keep trying. But they have plenty of 209 primers for inline black powder rifles and for reloading shot gun shells and he said all the primers they did get in for reloading was large pistol primers and large rifle primers. He told me at the store that it's probably because of the war in Ukraine and they are useing all the small rifle primers and small pistol primers for ammunition for the military ammunition and Ukraine. I asked him to please keep trying to get no.11 percussion caps and small pistol and rifle primers for reloading. Some times there's a man that lives not far from me about 4 miles away that buys lots of primers and powder for reloading ammo for his self but I can't understand why he wants to buy so much 223 powder and primers. I seen him before buying 5000 small rifle primers and lots of powder and hoarding it when all us others that load out personal 223 cal. Ammo for hunting and 9 MM.pistol bullets and 45acp.rounds and we can't get powder . Primers or bullet tips . I asked the owner to stop letting him hoard all the primers . powder and bullet tips because we are customers also and would like to buy some reloading supplies and never get to get any at all. I told the owner that's a good way to lose lots of customers that buy lots of other things also because it's the only place close to our homes. But I said if it takes it we will spend money on gas and drive 60 miles one way to a different store and do business there. I ask him nicely again put a limit on how much that man can buy so we can all buy primers and powder and bullet tips also. I found out later the man buying all the primers and powder and bullet tips is stocking it up and then reselling it out of state and making a whole lot more money for all of it than he pays for it and then he keeps some for his self and the amount he gets out of what he sells pays for all his reloading supplies and I mean a lot of it . He buys all the one pound containers and 8 pound containers. Like 10 one pound cans and 5 jugs of 8 lbs. Containers and over 10.000 primers in a big box and they are CCI small rifle primers and small pistol primers. And every Hornady 45 cal. And every 223 Hornady bullets tips thats there I don't know how many 1000s he's getting in bullet tips but I know there is 100 count in a box of 223 cal. Vortex and like 100 45. Cal.tips in a box. ETHAN what do you think about what's going on here where I live and all the other people that live here that reloads there on ammo for hunting and self defense rounds. We don't load many at the time just a box of 100 or maybe 200 rds. Because its cheaper than buying factory ammo and I load precision rifle ammo almost like competition shooters use and it's only for my rifle with my fire formed chambered brass . It shoots way better accuracy in my barrel and my brother tried some in his rifle and the grouping of the bullets were different like 3 inch group my AR 15 groups them at 100 yards half of a inch
Yeah I live in Offerman Georgia and about every time I go to get reloading supplies they don't have what I want for 223 and 45 because they're is a man living in Patterson ga that buys all he can get from the hardware store in blackshear and it wrong that he is doing that because he doesn't need that much ammo! I've been to his place and he has more ammo and powder and primers than fort Stewart. And he want sell any of it. Must have over half million rounds and a heck of a lot of powder and primers shell casings and bullet tips. And he lives on highway 32 Patterson
Great! Just bought 2 packs! An was thinking about buying more. So maybe not!
So, cci is passing crap off now, in the face of a national shortage? Shame on cci!
That would suck when that big buck walks out and all you get is a fizzle!!!
All the more reason for making your own
I bought 3 thousand CCI caps last month at Wal-Mart. had to hit 3 different stores to get that many. Thet were $5.62 a pack. I just checked all 30 tins and they were perfect. What gives? Was someone hoarding in thier backyard shed? I swear by CCI! Remington? Not so much. RWS? No thanks.
show me one product that QC hasn't went into the toilet.
I still have some caps that are close to 30 years old and they look better than those and go bang every time!
There is no quality control or customer service at CCI, period. I ordered 500 rounds of 22lr directly from them. These came in the plastic boxes with the slide tops. ALL 5 boxes were crushed/smashed when I received them. The cardboard shipping box was fine, which means they put them in there already busted up. Needless to say, much of the ammo was trashed completely. I called and emailed no less than 10 times... no answers, no responses, no replacement, no refund, and not a single F given by Vista Outdoors(the parent company)...
some of their other brands include Alliant Powder, Federal ammo, Speer ammo, and Remington...
None of which even attempt to meet demand, all have piss poor customer service or none at all...
Hell, it's a miracle if Remington goes 30 days without going bankrupt or rolling over for libturds, like the French rolled over for the Germans in 1940.
The anti-gun crowd has slowly infiltrated the gun industry upper levels of management/ownership. It is going to get worse, folks. I must relate an issue I had with a brick of Remington Golden bullets. The lot number was on recall list. I called Remington, they sent me shipping label and a refund check. That is pretty good service in my view.
@@tonyv8925 that's not service, that's covering their ass... recalls are usually for a reason that could potentially lead to a company getting sued (contaminated food, ammo with a double charge or no charge at all, ect...).
I gave $30.00 a tin a year ago
SOUTH WEST VA there are no caps making me buy what I can on line and there not close to the prices you said $38 bucks for a tin of 250 #11 hazmat and the cost to ship on top of all that I do not by into they make little money from these 10 and 11 caps people like me will buy 10 thousand 20 thousand caps if I could find them in a store at the price you said but that will never happen where I live a few small gun shops or pawn shops by me and 1 Walmart that I know will never sell them so on line is the only choice I have, some maker of caps needs to steep up to the plate and help Americans looking to spend there money on a sport they love HELP US and less talk
My caps arent shiny boo freaking hoo. The shinyness of copper has no bearing on its function. Copper corrosion is green, and I see none of that, only discoloration from what is most likely an annealing step in the manufacturing process that was never abrasive tumbled away.
Thanks!
Well, what does anyone except? Basic Economics , MINIMUM WAGE goes up, so does EVERYTHING ELSE!
That's right blame the underpaid American minimum wage worker. The people in charge just aren't responsible for sending junk into the commerce stream.
Where are they made.?????
they are likely made in India or a similar place .
I’ve purchased several tins of cci cape over the past few months and everyone one contained corroded caps. The lid was rusted shut on one tin.
christopherevans9596 Heavily corroded cap and a rusty lid! They are definitely old warehouse stock brought out to dump on the market.