This is the most pleasant couple I have seen on House Hunters. Very smart and Practical People. They got a great price from 359 to 300. Great job. Their renovations make the house look more spacious. They considered all aspects of location, safety for children, price, and space. Very Intelligent Choice.
@Xcuze They just had a kid, why would she want renovations done? Plus married women typically have lower paying/freelance/less taxing jobs at this point in their lives because they have children and would rather spend a lot more time with their kids. Plus having reconstruction with kids so young in the home is a little dangerous. She's worried for her child and dosen't want to be overwhelmed. It's okay to have opinions, but compared to other annoying wives she is very down to earth, and not everyone can control the tone of their voice, or the sound.
@@juliancain3872 you are clearly a misogynist. "Married women typically have lower paying/freelance/less taxing jobs?" Guess me and my six figures missed that memo. Are they supposed to stay barefoot and pregnant too?
@@irisheyesofbelfast Yes "Typically", notice the wording of that statement, I didn't use "always". Honestly, if you're not a troll, and really had the brain, and the skill sets to obtain a six figure job you would know that those are actual facts, not a sexist rant. And I am a woman, if I hated women that would just make zero sense, although I can't blame you for that, my name is a confusing one.
Julian Cain why would someone want renovations done? Because buying a house is a huge purchase, and often a pretty permanent or semi permanent one in which a good chunk of their life will be spent living in. If you’re going to be spending nearly a half million or even a quarter million on a purchase it’s a good idea to do your best to get everything you really want and everything that makes sense for the value of the home. Lower paying jobs? It’s 2019. I personally make more money than majority of men in America and most of my girlfriends do as well. I wouldn’t assume that all mothers want to be full time stay home moms these days...so that’s just a preference thing and/or maybe not an option for many financially, and finally reconstruction being dangerous with young kids around? Seriously? I think you’re being a tad bit ridiculous. These people are making choices that are right for them and i seriously don’t see any of those decisions being particularly irrational or showing poor judgement on their part. You people need to stop flying off the handle judging couples who are on a television show that is designed to ENTERTAIN viewers...in other words and in house hunters case, producers takes 5 full days of filming and shrink it into 22 minutes of the juiciest, attention- grabbing (as far as hgtv can permit) story-line-pertinent material they can extract to deliver something that is going to please all of your house hunting pleasures. I’m not trying to personally attack you and your comment but this is the problem with the vast majority of these comments I see from regular viewers of the show. what you see is far from the full reality of these couples’ lives/personalities/circumstances. Think about it...television...what’s the end goal for a tv show...? People should be able to figure it out if they stop and think for a second. But maybe I’m just ruining all the fun of watching the show, seems like bashing house hunters couples has become a fun game of sort for die hard fans ever since social media has come to be. But just keep in mind...these couples can and most likely do see and read everyone’s comments on their episodes...and I’m just saying.. you wouldn’t really say this stuff to their face in real life I bet. So maybe everyone can spin their comments and critiquing in a more positive light. Don’t ruin it for these people who are excited and proud of the work they did on making their episode.
I like them. Very smart and far from spoiled as you would expect from a young couple spending this kind of money on a vacation home. Wish them the best!!
i personally liked the 3rd house the best but that's obviously a HUGE price tag, especially in relation to what they ended up paying for the house they chose. They made a smart decision, and from what they showed at the end, they're doing well with the updates!
What a nice couple! What a gorgeous little baby! I think they made the right decision - although, MAN, that third option was YUMMY! But it was too pricey. I totally get their decision. Good move!
Yes it is, every episode I've seen so far (which isn't many, I've only just started watching) every couple disagrees with what kind of style they like. I guess that makes it more interesting but not if you binge watch like me lol
"It's not walking distance from the village" seems so weird to me. My family and I rented a cabin in the summers for as long as we could afford it and we did it for the seclusion. We didn't mind being 30 minutes from town. Unless you have health problems or have some strange reason for constant access, I think being far from town would actually be a plus.
Paul cares more about money than he does about pleasing his wife. What an obnoxious jerk, if he doesn’t change that marriage won’t last. He doesn’t deserve her.
I've never met anyone who went back to work that quickly. The norm where I am is about 12 months. Daycares won't even take babies that young here. At 5 weeks you would still be hormonal and sleep deprived and recovering from birth.
Haha I hear you! This was just to show what I do for a living, but I wasn't back at work. I actually never went back to flight attending. Part-time photographer, full time mama! :):)
I’m older and it’s sad for the mother and the baby. You’re not healed from the birth after 5 weeks for heavens sake. She said her end game is to quit her job and....as a real estate investor myself....they are gambling the short term rental will be their income stream. I hope it works out.
Kelli Broker They are not hoping on the rental being their income stream, they bought that as a second property! The income is to offset the cost of purchasing that property. How many women look like her 5 weeks after having a baby.....amazing!!!!
This is NOT a cabin. Come up here to Alaska and you will see cabins. This would be luxery living compared to some places I lived. Many cabins here don't have running water and/or electricity.
I wish they would of picked the last house and just negotiated down to 400,000 then it wouldn't of been THAT bad that it's not within walking distance of the shop and lakes.
scifi vampire it was an old house, so there is expexted rebuilding so some wiggle room. And to hire a contractor and fix it up will cost more. Plus any outdated electrtic wiring, internet cables, water pipes, and general house intregrty over the years it'll start to break down, unforeseeable problems, and it it is old.
You don't buy house because you like freaking bunk beds in it buddy. you can buy bunk beds a lot cheaper than you can buy , a house. I think both of you are not thinking right at all . people want to come to a lake or some X they like to be right on the lake usually or there's people that like to be way out in the woods. There are City people that like to be way out in the woods not close to town at all they can go to town anytime at home. so either one is good on the lake or out in the woods probably on the lake for most people
I am watching from the Caribbean that is sunny to compare with the USA and the snow, but i love house #3. The communication between the couple is admirable and they showed great maturity. The realtor must be congratulated for negotiating the final price down to 300,000, plus the furniture. I must say the wife is gorgeous. However, the show is fake. They chose house #1way in advance, the other 2 were added
I think he is financially smart thinking about rental opportunities. Additional income is more than welcome in a situation they are going to be on a single income in the foreseeable future. Freelancing photography can be nice bonus but bonus.
New baby, and they don't have the money because the husband is fixated on rental income, and CA is a very high-tax state. They will regret this financially.
I'm ONLY a couple minutes in. I don't like #1 already--only because it looks like a house not a getaway! #2 STILL I don't get the "getaway" vibe! I'm starting to think it's me? Better than the first, though. I'm NOT saying it's not GORGEOUS etc. I'm just thinking in terms of short term renters. VIEW---EXQUISITE! #3 Starting to feel more "country" or "Tourist" attractive. I hate how "SHE" keeps saying "I LOVE THE MODERN LOOK" (I can only imagine how gorgeous their HOME is--, but this is suppose to be a FUN GETAWAY! I'm not sure why i'm so annoyed--I'm too old to be annoyed over a video)! I, for what THEY SAID they wanted, would PASS on all 3. I'd choose #3 if had to pick one. YES, they are ALL GORGEOUS! EDITED: 0/4 (I don't cheat!).
She likes being in an isolated place but i think that's a bad idea, now what if they were attacked who would be there to help chase away a potential intruder or to say something, if they were able to see what happen. Intruders like houses that are in isolated places.
You watch too many movies. Your way more likely to get a home intruder in suburbia or a city. I live in an isolated place and you know why it's safer? Three reasons, no one knows the house is there, my dogs know that if someone is there they shouldn't be and if I have to use the 12 gauge I don't have to worry about hitting an incident neighbor. What's more likely to be at the front door is a bear or coyote.
@ Phillip550c intruders could be anywhere in the world they could be in the city,suburban or isolated places, now how can you prove in an isolated place that someone(Who may be a potential intruder) could not know about that area already? Do you think an intruder would always stay in the city where police is looking for them after a successful intruding? how do I know that my dog can't be killed or how do I know my 12 gauge can't be used on me.
OMG! 3 comments! I have to get out of here! LOL Like I said in another comment, they are making it look like a HOME!!!!! NOT a VACATION GETAWAY! I Hate what they are doing to the place--although I KNOW there HOME must be GORGEOUS!
I made a LONG comment-mostly for me and my notes. I just don't understand this couple, at all! I can't see them thinking "SHORT TERM RENTAL" with the choice they made. OH WELL, that's just an old ladies opinion!
These people are stupid. You'd make way more rental money with house #2. It is different and out there yet still an easy drive to the lake and city. I make 70k gross on a house I own like that from world class ski resorts. People love it there
C Martin it only doesn't snow in Southern California near the coast, slightly inland and for the most part in the low desert. Everywhere else gets snow.
@@N12Gautam How do you know that she's not helping with it? She's commented on this video. She did end up leaving her job as a flight attended and now does photography. It's not like she's staying at home all day and even if she did she could work from home. We don't know their family or their finances, so I'm not sure why you'd assume he's paying for everything.
@@N12Gautam But she IS contributing, your original comment makes it sound like the husband is doing everything, by saying he's the one paying the rent on this house. They are married with a child, I'm sure they've figured out how to split the expenses evenly.
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This is the most pleasant couple I have seen on House Hunters. Very smart and Practical People. They got a great price from 359 to 300. Great job. Their renovations make the house look more spacious. They considered all aspects of location, safety for children, price, and space. Very Intelligent Choice.
@Xcuze They just had a kid, why would she want renovations done? Plus married women typically have lower paying/freelance/less taxing jobs at this point in their lives because they have children and would rather spend a lot more time with their kids. Plus having reconstruction with kids so young in the home is a little dangerous. She's worried for her child and dosen't want to be overwhelmed. It's okay to have opinions, but compared to other annoying wives she is very down to earth, and not everyone can control the tone of their voice, or the sound.
@@juliancain3872 you are clearly a misogynist. "Married women typically have lower paying/freelance/less taxing jobs?" Guess me and my six figures missed that memo. Are they supposed to stay barefoot and pregnant too?
@@irisheyesofbelfast Yes "Typically", notice the wording of that statement, I didn't use "always". Honestly, if you're not a troll, and really had the brain, and the skill sets to obtain a six figure job you would know that those are actual facts, not a sexist rant. And I am a woman, if I hated women that would just make zero sense, although I can't blame you for that, my name is a confusing one.
Julian Cain why would someone want renovations done? Because buying a house is a huge purchase, and often a pretty permanent or semi permanent one in which a good chunk of their life will be spent living in. If you’re going to be spending nearly a half million or even a quarter million on a purchase it’s a good idea to do your best to get everything you really want and everything that makes sense for the value of the home. Lower paying jobs? It’s 2019. I personally make more money than majority of men in America and most of my girlfriends do as well. I wouldn’t assume that all mothers want to be full time stay home moms these days...so that’s just a preference thing and/or maybe not an option for many financially, and finally reconstruction being dangerous with young kids around? Seriously? I think you’re being a tad bit ridiculous. These people are making choices that are right for them and i seriously don’t see any of those decisions being particularly irrational or showing poor judgement on their part. You people need to stop flying off the handle judging couples who are on a television show that is designed to ENTERTAIN viewers...in other words and in house hunters case, producers takes 5 full days of filming and shrink it into 22 minutes of the juiciest, attention- grabbing (as far as hgtv can permit) story-line-pertinent material they can extract to deliver something that is going to please all of your house hunting pleasures. I’m not trying to personally attack you and your comment but this is the problem with the vast majority of these comments I see from regular viewers of the show. what you see is far from the full reality of these couples’ lives/personalities/circumstances. Think about it...television...what’s the end goal for a tv show...? People should be able to figure it out if they stop and think for a second. But maybe I’m just ruining all the fun of watching the show, seems like bashing house hunters couples has become a fun game of sort for die hard fans ever since social media has come to be. But just keep in mind...these couples can and most likely do see and read everyone’s comments on their episodes...and I’m just saying.. you wouldn’t really say this stuff to their face in real life I bet. So maybe everyone can spin their comments and critiquing in a more positive light. Don’t ruin it for these people who are excited and proud of the work they did on making their episode.
Adorable baby. Likeable and sensible couple that knows how to compromise and make the best of what they can have.
I like them. Very smart and far from spoiled as you would expect from a young couple spending this kind of money on a vacation home. Wish them the best!!
i personally liked the 3rd house the best but that's obviously a HUGE price tag, especially in relation to what they ended up paying for the house they chose. They made a smart decision, and from what they showed at the end, they're doing well with the updates!
I love the way they communicate with each other
Great couple - fun episode
I agree.. No BS argument
What a nice couple! What a gorgeous little baby! I think they made the right decision - although, MAN, that third option was YUMMY! But it was too pricey. I totally get their decision. Good move!
I just want to know if being at complete odds with each other in their wants for a property is like a requirement to be on this show...?
Yes it is, every episode I've seen so far (which isn't many, I've only just started watching) every couple disagrees with what kind of style they like. I guess that makes it more interesting but not if you binge watch like me lol
I wish we could see what it looks like when they're done renovating.
I like when she speaks
I do too. Very intelligent and down to earth. Nothing spoiled about her as some have said. Very practical and compromising.
I was thinking the same thing! Something about her voice
"It's not walking distance from the village" seems so weird to me. My family and I rented a cabin in the summers for as long as we could afford it and we did it for the seclusion. We didn't mind being 30 minutes from town. Unless you have health problems or have some strange reason for constant access, I think being far from town would actually be a plus.
I just love this couple so much and I'm so happy for them and their little family great choice many years a blessed happiness
She's seems very smart and down to earth girl, plus beautiful!!! he's a lucky man!!
@@N12Gautam Your a NG son of a bitch
N G U are trash.
GG Gregory you just called a woman a bitch, u sexist.
Bonnie P. The lady in the video was nice, but most women aren't so nice and will leave by thier hypergamous nature.
N G U are certainly free to have your opinion but it just seems very out of place on here & necessary. It makes U seem ugly & bitter. Just saying.
I think hes only thinking of his self cause she telling him they just she just had a baby and this is overwhelming to her
Paul cares more about money than he does about pleasing his wife. What an obnoxious jerk, if he doesn’t change that marriage won’t last. He doesn’t deserve her.
359, don to 300k?! AND he kept the furniture! How on earth did that happen? did anyone catch how long it's been on the market?
Wow- back at work just 5 weeks after having a baby- that's crazy!
Why is it "crazy", if it works for her? Wouldn't have for me, but how about we support each other as mothers instead of tearing people down?
I've never met anyone who went back to work that quickly. The norm where I am is about 12 months. Daycares won't even take babies that young here. At 5 weeks you would still be hormonal and sleep deprived and recovering from birth.
Haha I hear you! This was just to show what I do for a living, but I wasn't back at work. I actually never went back to flight attending. Part-time photographer, full time mama! :):)
I’m older and it’s sad for the mother and the baby. You’re not healed from the birth after 5 weeks for heavens sake. She said her end game is to quit her job and....as a real estate investor myself....they are gambling the short term rental will be their income stream. I hope it works out.
Kelli Broker They are not hoping on the rental being their income stream, they bought that as a second property! The income is to offset the cost of purchasing that property. How many women look like her 5 weeks after having a baby.....amazing!!!!
They got an amazing deal!!! Good for them!
this couple doesn't realize that in 30 years people will be saying how "teens" they looked.
is it just me or is paul hiding something ;)
Nope I think we are thinking the same thing.
Oh look a close up of a bright light and the sun and a panic pan of the area, what fun.
Great episode!
To cut lilabity you should get a corporation/LLC in another state (because lower cost). Smart couple and they work as a great team. Best wishes!!
What a beautiful lil family the wife is drop dead gorgeous!
What a beautiful family 😍😍😍
I like this couple,s dog!! Adorable!!
Yassss Paul YA$$$! Cute couple, ADORABLE baby! ❤
I love what they are doing with their cabin its gonna be amazing when it's finished.
This is NOT a cabin. Come up here to Alaska and you will see cabins. This would be luxery living compared to some places I lived. Many cabins here don't have running water and/or electricity.
They talk more than they should. Agent getting pissed I guess....lol
Love cabin #2. I could hibernate there all year round. Cute little baby.
She is tidy, well done sir.
Are you buying for yourselves? Or just for other people.
I got so sick of hearing "pacific lodge"!
Good choice on your investment property... it's appeal is being close to the activities $$$ good for you!
they will wish later they kept that wood burning stove
I wish they would of picked the last house and just negotiated down to 400,000 then it wouldn't of been THAT bad that it's not within walking distance of the shop and lakes.
Sammantha sandoval yeah just shave 50,000 dollars like it's nothing.
@@N12Gautam The house they bought they did negotiate down more than 50k plus the furniture.
scifi vampire it was an old house, so there is expexted rebuilding so some wiggle room. And to hire a contractor and fix it up will cost more. Plus any outdated electrtic wiring, internet cables, water pipes, and general house intregrty over the years it'll start to break down, unforeseeable problems, and it it is old.
I love Shaver Lake.
The most balanced couple ive seen on this show #Update# if i hear pacific lodge again im gonna go crazy!! #StillACuteCouple
You don't buy house because you like freaking bunk beds in it buddy. you can buy bunk beds a lot cheaper than you can buy , a house. I think both of you are not thinking right at all . people want to come to a lake or some X they like to be right on the lake usually or there's people that like to be way out in the woods. There are City people that like to be way out in the woods not close to town at all they can go to town anytime at home. so either one is good on the lake or out in the woods probably on the lake for most people
but! Where are they now?🙂
Shaver lake 😁 I thought she's saying shave-your-leg😂
This couple has 💰 🤑 💸 money
Not a single time any of them uttered about their cute little 🐕 & about his safety or backyard for him!
I am watching from the Caribbean that is sunny to compare with the USA and the snow, but i love house #3. The communication between the couple is admirable and they showed great maturity. The realtor must be congratulated for negotiating the final price down to 300,000, plus the furniture. I must say the wife is gorgeous. However, the show is fake. They chose house #1way in advance, the other 2 were added
I think he is financially smart thinking about rental opportunities. Additional income is more than welcome in a situation they are going to be on a single income in the foreseeable future. Freelancing photography can be nice bonus but bonus.
where exactly are the renters gonna be when the owners are there
It's a vacation rental, so they'll stay there when it's not rented for the night or week or whatever. It's not for long term rents.
Do they film in the house they purchase in the beginning?
They buy the house, then the realtor shows them 2 other. It's all fake.
I’m staying here in a few weeks
New baby, and they don't have the money because the husband is fixated on rental income, and CA is a very high-tax state. They will regret this financially.
Love the Pacifico lodge
Furnitures not included? Very expensive.
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I'm ONLY a couple minutes in. I don't like #1 already--only because it looks like a house not a getaway! #2 STILL I don't get the "getaway" vibe! I'm starting to think it's me? Better than the first, though. I'm NOT saying it's not GORGEOUS etc. I'm just thinking in terms of short term renters. VIEW---EXQUISITE! #3 Starting to feel more "country" or "Tourist" attractive. I hate how "SHE" keeps saying "I LOVE THE MODERN LOOK" (I can only imagine how gorgeous their HOME is--, but this is suppose to be a FUN GETAWAY! I'm not sure why i'm so annoyed--I'm too old to be annoyed over a video)! I, for what THEY SAID they wanted, would PASS on all 3. I'd choose #3 if had to pick one. YES, they are ALL GORGEOUS!
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She likes being in an isolated place but i think that's a bad idea, now what if they were attacked who would be there to help chase away a potential intruder or to say something, if they were able to see what happen. Intruders like houses that are in isolated places.
Jarrod or snakes, they are in the woods so its likely that they'll get a visit from one.
You watch too many movies. Your way more likely to get a home intruder in suburbia or a city. I live in an isolated place and you know why it's safer? Three reasons, no one knows the house is there, my dogs know that if someone is there they shouldn't be and if I have to use the 12 gauge I don't have to worry about hitting an incident neighbor. What's more likely to be at the front door is a bear or coyote.
Philip - I think I watch too many crime shows to feel safe out in the middle of nowhere. lol. It does seem ideal tho.
@ Phillip550c intruders could be anywhere in the world they could be in the city,suburban or isolated places, now how can you prove in an isolated place that someone(Who may be a potential intruder) could not know about that area already? Do you think an intruder would always stay in the city where police is looking for them after a successful intruding? how do I know that my dog can't be killed or how do I know my 12 gauge can't be used on me.
Jarrod that's a whole lot of what ifs, anything is possible
Yay for Fresno!
lol
3:41 SO ADORABLE!!!!!
He doesn’t want no hot tub or fire pit…. Might as well stay at your house and turn on the nature channel 🥱🥱
OMG! 3 comments! I have to get out of here! LOL Like I said in another comment, they are making it look like a HOME!!!!! NOT a VACATION GETAWAY! I Hate what they are doing to the place--although I KNOW there HOME must be GORGEOUS!
I bet they went up there to flee the lockdown.
how are they going to stay and rent at the same time?
They would rent it out while they are not there. It would be a holiday home for them.
Great couple. =)
I made a LONG comment-mostly for me and my notes. I just don't understand this couple, at all! I can't see them thinking "SHORT TERM RENTAL" with the choice they made. OH WELL, that's just an old ladies opinion!
So many dead pine trees! Sad...
She looks like Behati Prinsloo
These people are stupid. You'd make way more rental money with house #2. It is different and out there yet still an easy drive to the lake and city. I make 70k gross on a house I own like that from world class ski resorts. People love it there
I'm watching house hunters these comments say otherwise
What is a vacation house?
too much talking get to the homes....
Is that snow in California!!!
C Martin it only doesn't snow in Southern California near the coast, slightly inland and for the most part in the low desert. Everywhere else gets snow.
C Martin lol
They look both like half native americans or asians.
Cute baby
Ugh. All the husband is considering is using it for a rental.
And guess who's paying the monthly rent? Not the wife
@@N12Gautam How do you know that she's not helping with it? She's commented on this video. She did end up leaving her job as a flight attended and now does photography. It's not like she's staying at home all day and even if she did she could work from home. We don't know their family or their finances, so I'm not sure why you'd assume he's paying for everything.
The Walking Megan even if she is committing some, he’s still paying majority
@@N12Gautam But she IS contributing, your original comment makes it sound like the husband is doing everything, by saying he's the one paying the rent on this house. They are married with a child, I'm sure they've figured out how to split the expenses evenly.
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Hey HGTV: Is there any fucking way you can stop producing shows with OVER SATURATED colour correction? The blue really stands out way too much. Look at the guy's shirt, it's almost as bright as a reflective vest and even the blue in other parts of this episode seep through. Ie: When the light reflects off of objects, there's a blue tint to it.
All that white, ew