EBERHARD WEBER SEXTET: LIVE February 26 1982 (?)
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- EBERHARD WEBER SEXTET: LIVE February 16 1982
Paul McCandless: Soprano Saxophone, Oboe, English Horn, Bass Clarinet
Lyle Mays: Piano
Bill Frisell: Electric Guitar
Eberhard Weber: Upright Bass
Mario Castronari: Percussion, (+ additional Bass?)
Michael DiPasqua: Drums, Percussion
All compositions by Eberhard Weber
1)"Often In The Open" (0:00)
2)"Introduction/Maurizius" (23:35)
3)"Death In The Carwash" (39:09)
All I can say is RIP Lyle Mays.
RIP the Great Michael DiPasqua , One of my big influences in drumming… got to see him many times sitting up close, learning…..what a listener, incredible dynamic , dramatic player!
I only got to see him play live once, in the Jan Garbarek quartet w/ Bill Frisell & Eberhard Weber, but what a concert. A wonderful drum solo as well and I did get to speak to him for a bit after the show where he mentioned that he had recently recorded a fairly obscure German-only ECM album with bassist/composer Adelhard Roidinger. I managed to find that album as an import about a year later and I treasure it. Great album that was never re-released on CD sadly. For many years (pre-internet) I wondered just where Michael disappeared to, then I finally discovered an interview where he explained his reason for leaving the music scene. Still i'm glad Eberhard coaxed him out of retirement at least for a bit to record again with Weber before he passed away. Definitely gone too soon for sure. Thanks for your comment.
This music takes its time to develop. It breathes. The listener is rewarded for his patience in listening with soaring melody and chord progressions that take flight in understanding! Beautiful!
That's what I love about Eberhard's esthetic: yes, it breathes, it's a living thing. It slowly comes in, like a long ebb tide slowly but surely turning back for the shore. Then, it crashes and pounds the shoreline for a time, then again recedes...
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RIP Lyle Mays!
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What a wonderful live expansion of Death In the Carwash, one of my favorite songs from Weber,(and the ECM) label. One that encompasses some of the best modern jazz playing to date : elegance, delicate interactions, lots of mood and dark juicy elements combined with a good amount of space and ambience, very difficult fast yet slow currents in the rhythmic approach, one at half time and the other in 16 and 32's, avoidance of nailing parts on the beat, the melodic theme and harmonic progressions are stretched yet very precise, then we get to the climactic soloing parts of Frisell, McCandless going nuts together, then Mays contributing (and in particular on the original recording), one of his best solos, then we have the great and late DiPasqua laying this intense sustaining rhythm that pulsates throughout, yet so delicate to the overall framework. Very, very....very..... challenging to play with that type of loose/tight rhythmic that commands you to really know and have a fantastic sense of rhythm locked inside in which you can skate in and out effortlessly into your melodic parts and expound on and off the rhythm without losing touch with knowing when to restate the theme and melody of the song.
I believe this song unto itself could be one of those songs that could teach any musician how to truly play with a profound sense of mood,, space and intensity, dynamic interplay, a solid internal clock and a sensitivity to your inner and outer environment, a very good grasp of melody and harmony, and a strong adherence to the moment.
Very well written and stated, Kima-I couldn't have done a better explanation of some of this music. It's especially nice to hear others besides myself praising the under-appreciated Mike DiPasqua.
Thank you soo soo much, Cosmic Pickle. Your channel has an unbelievable reach to so many ears and is- oh so fulfilling to come to and just listen. Thank you for your comments Yes, I couldn't agree more, his playing is very under-appreciated perhaps due to the fact that he never sought according to what I've read on facebook, much outside of those he enjoyed playing with, and perhaps his family and his other ventures. I can't really say, but his voice was very unique and his playing was exquisite. I wish there were videos of him out like on Drummerworld or on other platforms. Any would do in my opinion. :)
And it's amazing that you got to speak to him, along with another person in the comments, from his memorial video you did. That's a fantastic video that really teaches on this style of playing on the kit.
Jon Christensen perhaps like you said created officially this 'orchestral'- like, way of playing which I think others such as De Johnette, Erskine, Paul Motian even Brian Blade, Manu Katché, Joey Baron, I think you mentioned Philly Joe Jones, and for some reason other drummers like Billy Higgins, Rashied Ali and even Alex Acuña (who come to mind) developed those ideas as well. But M. Di Pasqua really took this style and ran with it. This approach adheres to a more hands-on cymbal work and leaves the roles of the of kick, snare and toms to serve as the typical 4-6-8-16-32 anchor approach out of the picture, at least for an extended period of time, and gives tremendous room for other instruments to fill in even more poetically or rhythmically, to drop in and out while still following the composition. In percussion Collin Walcott and Nana Vasconcelos also seemingly were influenced by this approach, which of course gave birth to those wonderful Codona albums, but is exceedingly rare in the world of percussion that is soo driven by soloing and dexterity. But Michael Di Pasqua really took that style of using the cymbals to new heights it seems. He had a slightly more traditional approach than Christensen, and because of that he could maintain this fast bebop like feel while driving the rhythmical ideas in so many other places simultaneously. On the cymbal he could keep that famous triplet feel for a long time, while using the snare sporadically, as a bouncing ball, and the kicks come in to accent, and adjust the intensity of the music for a slight few seconds then release again, and maintain that air of suspension for a prolonged period. Of course in this piece, he can go in and out of that the snare/kick filling that bottom, but then it's back to those cymbals. Trying to play like this is so tough for so many musicians that it really takes a musician that has come full circle or who enjoys playing minimalistically to want to even play like this. And Christensen's playing with Ketil Bjornstadt is so intriguing. I remember first listening to those albums, I wondered how in the hell will Jon figure out how to fit in this, and boy, I believe every Classical musician ought to learn how to play with such a drummer. Those albums are remarkable. So thank you so much, Cosmic Pickle for allowing us to come in a give our own interpretations and discuss on these wonderful topics. I love painting, video editing and photography and at some point, I feel similar approaches being used in these other mediums.
Why I so agree with you on Philly JOe Jones being such a tremendous influence. ua-cam.com/video/rd8-M_WDU_k/v-deo.html
Hey, yes it's a shame I didn't get to speak to DiPasqua much more. I recall wondering for years what happened to him when he dropped off the radar just a few years later. No internet existed to look for all the details at that point and it took more than 2 decades after he stopped playing to discover what happened to him. If anything I think DiPasqua was too modest in his assumption of his talents. He once said that there's so many technically brilliant drummers around that there really was no need for him!
Yes, Nana and Colin certainly also explored the world of percussion beyond just rhythmic support as well as the others you mentioned.
I agree that classical musicians should have to learn how to play with a drummer/percussionist in this style-it would certainly open them up to listening far beyond what they could read on the printed musical notation pages.
And oh yeah, i've alsobeen a Philly Joe Jones fan for decades as well and even recall hearing a live radio interview with him from a New Jersey Jazz station in the early 1980's when he was playing with the group Dameronia, which he stayed with until his death around 1985.
Thanks so much for you well-thought out comments!
Paul McCandless and Bill Frisell, outstanding musicians.
Bill Frisell my favorite jazz guitarist.
And Paul McCandless. His oboe puts it over the top.
This is the perfect tune, ever. Love this theme since I heard it first by early 80s. I wll never stop listening to it.
btw cosmic pickle, saw the eberhard weber line-up (w/Mariano,Bruninghaus, and John Marshall) during the Colours tour 1978 in Birmingham England. Awesomeness squared of course.
I saw that concert in Birmingham too .... Great venue - brilliant music - just started revisiting all my ECM faves.... Terje Rypdal, Jan Garberek, Jarrett, Gismonti, Towner etc. Awesome!!
Weber's untimely stroke deprived us of one of the most original and innovative musical voices of the 20th century.
Each of these musicians is SUPERB - truly GIFTED! RIP Lyle Mays and Michael DiPasqua.
Thank you Gary, I am constantly on the hunt for any Lyle Mays works and contributions. It is strange I'm just finding it now. I shared it on the Lyle Mays group and pages. Lots of great feedback!
That's great Max, glad you discovered it here. I found this many years ago online somewhere long forgotten and had it just sitting on a old computer, so I decided to post it. Good thing I did-that computer is dead, so now I can just listen to it from here myself! Enjoy buddy!
-Gary
Also, this is some of the best Weber work I've ever heard and I've heard a lot of his works! BTW, my pianist in an old band I led in the 80s got us in backstage on PMG's Letter From Home tour, because he was Lyle's dorm mate at North Texas State! and I got to meet Lyle and everybody. Lyle was very friendly and encouraging to me, just starting out as a young composer, as was Pat, too. Paul Wertico explained to me how he kept that brushwork going on Last Train Home and was happy I asked the question. A night I will never forget. We al went out to dinner afterwards!
Incredible. What a nice memory that will certainly stay with you for life!
-Gary
@@maxvasquez4392 That story has mor emeaning now since Lyle's passing. Pat Coil was Lyle's roomate at NTSU in Bruce Hall. What a time to be there it was the hub for all things jazz. Pat Coil released a tribute piece availalbe on youtube.
Masterpiece 🔥😳
what an emotion in such complex and beautiful way and just same as talking a best friend after years!
RIP Michael DiPasqua. What a gem to discover!
Yes this was a nice find just 'out there' on the internet.
One of my favorite drummers.. DiPasqua mastered the art of cymbal ride and knew how to add intensity with his approach to the cymbals. Listen to him on Death In A Carwash (E. Weber). Thanks for pointing that out.
Love Frisell's solo on Maurizius.
Utterly beautiful!
What an impact all these great players had on so many lives. Greatest days of ECM IMO. Listen at 55:45 time frame (hell the whole solo is insane). Only Lyle could put that together in real time improv live performance. Music is just not the same with him gone: first 2-3 years back when he described the music business left him not the other way around. Now in 2020 with his departure from this world at such an early age. Will sorely miss him and all the emotions he evoked in his playing/compositions and what a humble legacy he left behind inspiring many young talented musicians. Thanks to all the talents out there that have worked up many a transcription of these performances and others. BTW why can't we find a stream of Fluid Rustle on this channel, great album with the haunting voice of Bonnie Herman in the mix.
Indeed Gordon. I was shocked when I heard of Lyle's passing as I always figured he'd live a nice, long life and would certainly get back to music at some point. I particularly love his first solo album, even more than just about anything he did with Metheny. That's my 'go to' Lyle disc.
But look at the band here, gone also one of my favorite drummers, the under-rated Mike DiPasqua has also passed away, and one of my very favorite musician/composers Eberhard Weber no longer plays or record due to his stroke years ago. As far as I can see they're arent' any new guys coming along playing this type of stuff at all, not even close. All we have left is a handful of guys, all from this generation, and that's it.
On this channel i've always only put up music which is currently out of print and not available to purchase, or things like this radio concert, never released as an offical album. Those are the 'rules' I kind of set for myself as I don't' want to take any potential income away from the musicians when their stuff is up for sale....
But if I DID put up albums I loved which are still available, trust me 'Fluid Rustle' would easily be one of the very first albums i'd post here as it's been one of my favorite albums since about 1979 or '80. Matter of fact I DID have some ECM albums up on this channel which ECM had me take down. These were albums that were long out of print an NEVER even released on CD. But it seems ECM has made some of those long out of print albums recently available as downloads only-NO CD or vinyl, so even if I did put up things like 'Fluid Rustle' you'd never see them as they would be taken down by the record company.
@@cosmicpickle6562 ua-cam.com/video/3CJ8O6r_Sqk/v-deo.html and then there isthis.. great tribute if you love the LM self titled album
Gracias a mi mismo por gozar y vibrar estas delicias sonoras
Hey Cosmic!!! This album is a masterpiece!!! Thanks for sharing all your stuff...
You're welcome-enjoy it. This appears to be a bootleg, not an offical album, taken from a radio broadcast.
Paul McCandless one of the greatest underrated jazz musicians ever and a nice guy who i was fortunate to meet when he was playing in a trio with Art Lande at the Bitter End in nyc!
I can't argue with that thought. Do you recall what year you saw that trip in NYC? In the early 1980's I often went into NYC to see any ECM artist playing but I seem to have totally missed that concert. Was it by any chance to support the 'Skylight' album?
One Saturday in the early 1980's I went to a NY club (The Bottom Line i'm pretty sure) to see Jan Garbarek's Quartet (Eberhard Weber, Bill Frisell, Mike DiPasqua) and Paul was in the audience and I got to speak with him. Coincidentally the very next day right in my home state of New Jersey Paul was performing a free concert (as part of Gallery) at the college where Dave Samuels was teaching at the time. I would have gladly paid to see these guys and couldn't believe this concert was free at the college! David Darling and bassist Marc Johnson was also part of Gallery for that concert. There was a fill-in drummer as Mike DiPasqua was the drummer on the original album and he was on the tour with Jan Garbarek ...
Saw Paul McCandlass play in Churston, UK in 2018. Memorable show and great acoustics.
I saw him with Art Lande in Atlanta around 1987. A few years earlier I had taken some lessons from Art Lande so I got to hang out with them for an afternoon the next day. As you say, a truly warm person. I saw Lyle play live a bunch of times over the years. But I've never gotten to see Bill Frisell. There was a point in my life when i spent a considerable portion of my personal income, such as it was, on ECM albums.
Excellent. Good composition with the best musicians..
I did not know of this recording, thank you for sharig this, love it.This is music is not for the faint of heart and ears ! I yhink its rather beautiful and sincere and complicated ..wonderful.I played an ECM. music, David Darling and he said it was music for a funeral..!NOT for for everyone.
You may have been unaware of this recording because it's not actually an official album, but a bootleg, apparently from a European Radio broadcast.
Glad you're enjoying this.
espectacular Sexteto & Paul McCandless, Michael DiPasqua!
I had no idea this album exists, thank you very much!!!
Well, it's not really an album, it's a bootleg from a radio broadcast. Enjoy!
Great álbum!
Great! This is a NDR recording, produced by the late Michael Naura (You hear him at the end). I grew up with the NDR (Hamburg, Germany) listening to all these great jazz shows, concerts, jazz specials etc. they had in the 80s. I still have tons of tapes from that period.... The NDR jazz archive must be huge!
Yes, it must be. I got this years ago from a file download, so I had no real idea of it;s origin, just that it's obviously a radio broadcast. It seems some of these may have come out as legit releases, but I have no idea why these record companies aren't all over whoever has these recordings archived to get them properly released, considering the quality of most of them i've heard. Especially with somebody like Weber who has a very limited amount of solo releases in his career. There were also some live radio series here in the U.S. that recorded and played edited concerts for years . I haven't seen album releases come out from those either and always thought what a waste to just have them sitting in archives.
You're right. This was NDR Jazz Concert No. 168. Can you drop a line? Können Sie mir mal schreiben?
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Wow, first time hearing this group. The first track is so meditative and powerful. Rich, pristine recording too, for a live performance.
Glad you enjoy it. All of these tracks, though usually in shorter versions, were recorded on Weber's 1982 album 'Later That Evening' with the same group of musicians, except
Mario Castronari who doesn't appear in the studio versions.
GREAT.. THANKS for uploading. I see below this is a 'bootleg'.. is excellent sound quality.
Glad you're enjoying it. It appears this was a radio broadcast, probably recorded onto cassette considering the time period. But I myself still have old recorded cassettes from radio concerts that I made during the early 1980's and many of them also still sound pretty good...
Thank You Never knew it existed.
So glad I was fortunate enough to have seen Lyle Mays on his Fictionary tour in 1993. Sorry I missed seeing Eberhard in his various groupings prior to his stroke. Glad we have the recordings! Thx, Cosmic Pickle, for this amazing upload.
You're welcome, glad you enjoy the concert. I was only able to see Eberhard play live once, as a member of the Jan Garbarek Quartet-but Eberhard was actually my main reason for going to see the band at all (even though I do also like Garbarek)... I regret that I did never get to see him as a leader though....
@@cosmicpickle6562 Oh, one more thing: Where was the venue at this show? I know somewhere in Germany, because Eberhard's speaking his native tongue, but...?
@@zenpaganwarrior I don't actually know Chris as this was just a file I discovered and downloaded many many years ago from the internet and i'm quite sure there was no additional info listed with it beyond what i've already mentioned, sorry!
eccelso. stupendo. grazie.
THIS IS NOTHING BUT -SONIC BLISS-.MAN WHAT MUSIC. THANKS COSMIC PICKLE.
Yeah, I think these guys are pretty special too John....
Fabulous music!!!!!!!
I was listening to one of the last Lyle Mays recording called Eberhard. You can find it on YT too. Then I ran across this, which I wasn't aware of. Thanks for posting Cosmic.
Oh yes, that Lyle piece called 'Eberhard' is a really great piece. He even quotes an Eberhard Weber composition in the context of the piece at one point.
Excelente!
Excelente! Gracias por compartir.
Excellent find!
This is great. Thanks.
You're very welcome, Vincent
Thanks
Such a Six Pick ! Fine fidelity for these original tunes too ! EBERHARD WEBER SEXTET: LIVE February 16 1982
Paul McCandless: Soprano Saxophone, Oboe, English Horn, Bass Clarinet
Lyle Mays: Piano
Bill Frisell: Electric Guitar
Eberhard Weber: Upright Bass
Mario Castronari: Percussion, (+ additional Bass?)
Michael DiPasqua: Drums, Percussion
All compositions by Eberhard Weber
1)"Often In The Open" (0:00)
2)"Introduction/Maurizius" (23:35)
3)"Death In The Carwash" (39:09)
Outstanding! Thanks for posting!
You're welcome!
It tears me up inside! The first track has been of such great inspiration to Dj Krush and Ken Shima, you can see the direct connection in the track "Stormy Cloud" from the album "Jaku". Frisell maybe my favorite guitarist, awesome album indeed.
yanks just can't spell........prats
ignorant prats would be more like it
Wow! I didn't know this record. I just knew the "Later That Evening" with almost the same band. It's wonderful. Thanks, again.
I believe this is from a radio broadcast & not a legitimate album, though it may have been bootlegged. Glad you enjoyed it Roberto!
Wonderful album. Thank you. This is my first time hearing it.
You're welcome Karen-so glad you enjoy it!
Masterpiece!
Holy cow!! I've consumed the studio album for so many years. Had no idea this recording was around! Beautiful!
Me too-I bought the studio album as a new release back in the early 1980's and only discovered this live recording maybe a year ago. So I too had a ton of history with the music. Hearing this music expanded on with all the original musicians from the studio album is also quite a revelation for me as well. Glad you're diggin' it!
-Gary
Wow, such beauty
Recorded live in Hamburg on february, 26, 1983
Inspirational
Awesome...
de la gira later than evening maravilloso
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Gary, you are a treasure." Death in the Carwash" is absolutely one of my all time favorites and to hear this awesome live version..oh man its like Xmas. Thank you.
You're welcome buddy. It's great to have folks to share these with who dig them as much as I do,
I could go one thanking you forever. In my entire 54 years I don't think i have ever communicated with another human being who was aware of all of these great artists and music. As i am exploring your page its bringing back to me all of the wonderful music that i have experienced in my life and it is beyond a special treat, Thank you, Klause Schultze is amazing.
Hey Ron, there's a bunch of us around here. I know what you mean though , for until just a couple of years ago I felt the same myself until I discovered various folks online.
If you look at some of the folks who regularly leave comments here on my videos, you will discover several hard-core fans of ECM and these other artists I have done extended videos on. And their channels/videos are certainly also worth checking out, especially my dear friend Carm who often goes deeper than I do with some of these artists and other associated artists that spring off from these folks. Check out Carm' channel, he's a great guy and I frequently also go through his archives of older videos myself to view and review them multiple times:
ua-cam.com/users/mracocinap
Thank you , Gary. That is exactly what I will be doing most of the night. it is great to read the comments of others who love and share this kind of music. I think today I discovered over 10 artists that I simply love. Great times. Thanks.
Thanks for this gem Cosmic Pickle. Wonderul stuff.
You're welcome-enjoy!
Indeed, Cosmic Pickle once again thank you for your channel. You're a wonderful curator, if that term applies. :) Keep up the great work as always. Big hugs.
Thanks so much my friend!
Wow amazing! I didn't even know/remember that this group had ever played live together. Some of my all time favorite musicians.
Well, until I discovered the files for this broadcast online, I was also unaware that these guys played together. Though it seems in the 70's and 80's it was very common for many/most of the ECM musicians to play live gigs with the various groupings of musicians that they recorded with. The 'catch' was that the live concerts usually took place at the same time-frame that the studio recordings were made, which was 8 or more months before the recordings came out with that particular grouping of musicians not touring together AFTER the album was released, as they had all moved onto other projects by that point.
So the folks that saw this group play live had no reference point to the 'Later That Evening' recordings, since i'm sure it hadn't yet come out.
I recall seeing the Jan Garbarek Group (quartet) was playing right after the 'Paths,Prints" album came out. The album had Eberhard Weber. Bill Frisell, and Jon Christensen on drums. I was excited that I was finally going to get to see all of these guys live, especially Weber and Christensen. But the band playing was with Weber, Frisell, and Michael DiPasqua on drums (himself an excellent drummer). Well, it turns out the following Garbarek Group album that cme out about a year later had the Garbarek/Weber/Frisell/DiPasqua line-up on it and was recorded right around the same time-frame I caught the band live.
So I learned, when going to see these musicians perform live, I couldn't expect the band to be the same as on their most recent recording and that what I would be seeing was more than likely the grouping of musicians that would appear on the following album.
Thanks a lot for uploading. More precious now: Mays changed his job, Weber has serious problems, about Mc Candless, I heard him few monts ago in Rome with Oregon, and.... let's hope.
Glad you're enjoying it. Well, we also have lost drummer Mike DiPasqua as well, sadly.
Hopefully Weber will decide to do more new music with keyboards and modern software. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
As far as Lyle Mays goes, I still think he has many more years of music in him, even if apart from Pat Metheny.
I'm sure Mays will get back to composing and recording again, even if not in the near future.
Happy New Year!
I hope you are right about Mays, Best whishes to you for a good and paceful 2018
Well Mays is young enough still that I can't see him retiring from music. It may take some time and he may record for some small label, but I do think he'll do more in the future. Look at how many jazz artists continue to play all their lives until they pass away (see everyone from Dave Brubeck to Coltrane, Warne Marsh, to John Abercrombie, etc. ). Best wishes to you as well for 2018, Fabio.
I wouldn´t Lyle changed his job. I once read he was enjoying other things in life - he has many hobbies. I think he must feel he gave all he had to music, and that's it. What else can he do? Also, people change over the years.
Maurizius, what a climax.
Bem bom !
Very nice piano solo at ~54:29.
superbe ! ! ! weber et ses complices
mention pourMcCandless et pasqua
( non pas charles ! ! ! ! )
BESTIAL!!!
Oh wow, am I ever excited to hear this! Did we ever talk about this one before? I know I'd seen this cover displayed on-line at some point..... Danka for sharing this. :-) -Carm
I don't think we ever talked about this. A bootleg of course, i'm guessing from an edited radio broadcast (notice the 59 minute running time). I kind of forgot about it until I was going through my ECM 'Works" and Eberhard Weber CDs tonight and I came across the CD-R I burned from this concert. I think I download this from somewhere online years ago . Then I tend to forget it at times simple because it's not an official Weber album. I just found this cover while looking online tonight, I hadn't seen it earlier actually.
Well great to see/hear it. Neat hearing this group in the live and naturally, more raw context...A bit off the subject, did you see brother Daryl is back with a couple videos? Was happy to see that. Shall write further soon.
Yeah-the improvs are really extended. Too bad they didn't play the title track from 'Later That Evening', then you would have live versions of all the tracks from the album.
On no, will have to check out Daryl's videos-thanks again for the tip. I did get to see Axel's video thanks to your head's up.
Wow. ECM super group. This music still sounds fresh! So much unity in this band...they should have toured and recorded more. Thanks for the upload!
Yes this really is quite a gathering of musicians, isn't it? So gladyou enjoyed it as well.
Most "All Star" bands don't really unify into a single sound....these guys are not only superb musicians (we know that from their other recordings, of course) but they know how to listen as well. I will enjoy this for awhile, I think (and I look forward to checking out your other uploads). Well done!
I totally agree Joel. And I can almost guarantee that they had very little rehearsal time, as sadly that's usually the case in groups like this who only do very small tours, especially when you're talking about a group which includes somebody like Paul McCandless who's working all the time with tons of various musicians in addition to his Oregon and solo projects. So it's really down to the abilities of these guys to jell organically , which they do incredibly I think.
This is amazing - thanks! Little rehearsal time can produce incredible results tho... In a Silent Way comes to mind - apparently John McLaughlin had met Miles only the night before they went into the studio to cut that album
Yes, a great example of some classic music coming from a pretty impromptu session indeed. I love 'Silent Way' myself and really think it's Miles' last truly classic album.
This session is perhaps even more special when one takes into account that DiPasqua is no longer with us and Eberhard himself no longer plays/performs....
красиво !!!
This meditation music
Sublime music from a supremely talented band. Thank you so much for uploading this!
ECM was a real outlier, as record companies went, a label that pretty much defined and epitomized a genre. Many of my favorite records are ECM albums from the late 70s, especially Weber’s. Do you happen to have a track listing for the concert?
Hey Dave-Yes, if you expand the "Show More" tab above, it lists the songs, though all 3 of them are from Weber's "Later That Evening" album, which contained 4 tracks in total. Me too-a large per-centage of my very favorite albums are ECMs from the 1970's as well.
@@cosmicpickle6562 And me, my favorites are Yellow Fields and Solstice.
I remember a clarinet player saying to me once: "what's the last time someone composed good music for the clarinet? Or the oboe?" He was thinking in terms of 'classical music' and disappointment at dead repetoires. "There's been nothing since Poulenc's clarinet sonata (1961)" and that was inspired by Benny Goodman, I think he said.. He no longer played because of that. I was going to say, "have you heard Paul McCandless play?" but didn't, because although I've heard a fair few things with him on it that impressed me, including Oregon material, the few recordings he made under his own name, including one featuring Mays, aren't as good or in the style one might expect. Closer to soul ballad playing than the articulate, classical style of playing he would adopt either on dates like this one, or when playing one of Ralph Towner's good, but usually overly melancholy, tunes. And...I didn't hear the Maurizius melody on the piano that I was expecting to hear after all. And...I think I've just recalled hearing a clarinet sonata composed by Jean Francaix in the 1990s, but I think Francaix was in his nineties when he composed that and he died shortly after, hopefully not in a car wash. p.s. good gig. It would have been good to hear it all, but no doubt the radio presenters didn't expect that after 59 and a half minutes the guys would still be only in the middle of their third tune :)
Yes, I would have been tempted to mention McCandless myself...
HA! Yeah "59 minutes in and they're still playing only the 3rd tune??" My guess is that this program was only slotted for an hour unfortunately....
Yes, that would have been it. One hour radio shows were the way, and still are, if one can find some radio stations!
Wow! Thanks for this posting! Was this an actually released album?
I discovered the files of this music years ago online somewhere long forgotten now. This was never a legitimate release but it appears it may have been bootlegged at some point. My best guess is that the original recording of this concert was probably taken from A European radio broadcast. I've discovered many concerts posted online over the years that weren't taken from offical recordings and many of them often contain radio announcers before and/or after the music speaking foreign languages which gives away the origin of many of these unofficial live recordings. This one didn't have any announcers but i'm still betting it's from a radio broadcast, since jazz is much more popular it appears in Europe and no stranger to radio broadcasts.
I had this on vinyl and gave it to my now ex...big regret LOL
Sadly they cut off the end of Death in the Car Wash. Drag....
From that underrated period of time when American jazz musicians spontaneously improvised European art "chamber" music, with the help or direction of a German bassist, perhaps. The bass at about 20 minutes in sounds very Indian. There was a time when I used to live off this type of music. Then I felt I needed something lighter. But I'm hypnotised right now, so I'll keep listening through. Waiting to here that familiar Maurizius melody now after the introduction. Somebody posted online before Lyle Mays' composition "Twelve Days In the Shadow Of a Miracle". Sometimes I think I'd like to hear a whole lot of Mays recordings like that or this.
I totally agree. There's a few, perhaps atypical, Mays compositions that I wish would just go on for a full album length as well.
Thinking about it now i'm not sure if anyone is really doing this type of stuff now. Weber's not playing, Ralph Towner has been changing his music now for the last decade or so..
I didn't realize but, yeah, there's not a whole ton of guys doing this type of thing right now...
I think the fact that Manfred Eicher was a classically trained bassist and so was Eberhard Weber, even though they both preferred jazz, was a reason why after Eicher founded ECM in 1969 he soon started encouraging jazz records to be made that somehow seemed to have a European (classical) "bass" to them! So with Weber retired and Eicher being as old as Towner (75 or so, I think) and now just recording a few classical records, the sense of ECM as a jazz label has passed, to some degree, perhaps. Terje Rypdal is maybe the one survivor of that batch of ECM musicians from back in the 1970s whose still going, along with Towner, though Oregon with McCandless only recorded briefly for ECM. Interesting to read once that Pat Metheny didn't like the Watercolors album he did because he felt it was more Eicher's record than his one, in that Eicher practically suggested to do near solo improvisations, such as is on that album. It sounds like "an ECM album". And, apparently, that's why Pat purposively did "American Garage", which has an American pop and rock sound to it. I could imagine Mays being a more quintessential ECM guy than Pat too, giving a context or a reason. I don't know if Towner has been changing his music, but I did see him live for the first time last year doing a solo show and his style of playing and tunes was more like "jolly jazz standard" tunes rather than the still, slow, serious sounding, solo guitar music that I tend to associate his ECM discography with. Blue Sun, by Towner, and Watercolors, by Metheny, were the first ECM albums I heard. But they're maybe atypical. One associated thought: Bill Frisell's quieter, "Americana", stuff since the 1990s has a quality to it a bit like the old ECM way of doing things. Yes, it's a band. But their approach to playing is like a classical quartet. Some people hear that quality in Brad Mehldau's music. Personally, I don't, though.
I love this, thanks so much for the share! One question though, might be a stupid one: I hear two bassists, what's up with that?
I have to give this a closer listen. I know Eberhard used a digital delay often in solo concerts so there were multiple bass parts going on, but I am not aware of him using it in full-band concerts. However the one guy that is unknown to me is Mario Castronari who it turns out (when I looked him up) is actually a bassist. Though the credits that were on the site I downloaded this from claims that Mario plays percussion-which is a bit confusing. So it is possible that Eberhard brought Mario on board to play some bass AND perhaps percussion as well? Hard to know for sure since this isn't an official release and even radio announcers have been known to get things wrong.
P.S. And it's not at all a stupid question!
I've been listening to this recording for a week now and yes, a second bass can be heard at times (it mostly sounds like an acoustic bass, but may have effects occasionally, as well...hard to say). Check for the bowed acoustic bass paired with EW's distinct electric upright heard during the opening to "Death in the Carwash". (You might also catch EW's reference to "Jaws" there too...nice bit of humor to add to the danger. :-)
Well that that would probably be the one guy in this group who was unknown to me, Mario Castronari. On the site I downloaded this music from some time ago they listed him as playing percussion only. But when I attempted to look him up online all the information that came up always listed him solely as a bassist. It makes sense since he's also the only guy in this group who didn't appear on the final album when this music was recorded in the studio-he wouldn't' really be needed since Weber himself would be able to overdub any additional multiple bass parts that he wanted on there.
Yes, that makes sense for the recording. To me, it's even a bit of a curious choice to have a second bassist in this ensemble. I would love to hear Eberhard's explanation. It's not like Castronari is playing a super crucial role (which is not to say that his playing is in the way, to the contrary, it's mostly well hidden...and yet there are a couple tasty moments of his playing) just that without it, the music would work, I think.
Agreed. The only time i'm aware of Eberhard playing with another bassist live previously is in Gary Burton's Group (with Steve Swallow) and also in some bass duets that Eberhard took place in which seem to not have ever been recorded. But not as a part of his regular 'group/band' performances. Though it is possible that Castronari is also playing some light percussion as well during other sections (which could be why he was listed as being the band's percussionist in the credits). Well, both Eberhard and Mario are still around so maybe sometime an interview might surface explaining it all.
Is this on a CD anywhere? Very nice!
Sorry, no. It seems this was from a European Radio broadcast.
Wonder what pat metheny thought when lyle along with bill frisell did the ECM recordings ? . PM s fine watercolours was played with eberhard. Maybe PM wanted always to be the leader all the time . They proved themselves as fine jazzers with this superb band
This is fantastic Gary.
How are you doing? I have been trying to get to all of the songs/albums that you have been posting. I have been a fan of Eberhard for some time now. I got turned onto his amazing playing through a fellow VC member Mark Doctor Deadwax. Who I miss bigtime. I am familiar with Paul McCandless and the great Bill Frisell.
I did not know that Eberhard composed all of his music. Now I appreciate his talent that much more. I will check out some more of this. So far from what I heard it is excellent.
Talk to you soon Brother G. ~
Rob/Boston
Hello buddy-how are you doing? Oh yes, Eberhard has been one of my 'Top 4" composer/musicians now for decades, he really is a unique talent I think. He has many incredible albums. Hope you like this live broadcast buddy and I hope you're getting some time to relax this weekend!
Hi Gary,
I just wanted to let you know that I relaxed at the beach both yesterday morning and all day today. I got a little too much sun but I will survive. I usually get pretty scorched the first full day at the beach. Today I was in the water more than I was walking/laying in the sand. The water was impeccably clean and somewhat warm which was very strange for this time of year. I got down there about 9:45 and I did not want to leave. The ocean/beach is very meditative for me and always has been. Closest thing to paradise for me Gary.
Thanks for your concern. My weekend work is on hold for the time being. I had to take a few weekends off for my own sanity. Plus it is very hard to landscape when it is in the nineties. I am thinking about the beach the whole time.
Hope you had a nice weekend too. I am sure that it was hot in Long Island as well. Talk soon ~
Rob
Hey-be careful with that sunburn buddy! Glad to hear you're taking some time for yourself, you work very hard. Yeah, we've got the heat here, 3 days in the 90's predicted so far, so summer finally hit us as well!
Cosmic Pickle ooo
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Hello, where did you get this recording? I can't find a cd or flac anywhere.
I found it online many many years ago, I don't even recall where to be honest.
Bonjour. Le point d'interrogation inclus dans le titre n'est plus utile. Il s'agit bien d'un enregistrement réalisé au "Funkhaus", à Hambourg (République Fédérale d'Allemagne), le 26 février 1982, et retransmis sur la radio allemande "NDR". Voici une note officielle accompagnant l'édition de cette captation :
"Eberhard Weber - 1982-02-16 - Hamburg, DE
(FM broadcast FLAC)
w/Frisell + Mays
NDR Jazz Workshop No. 168
Funkhaus NDR, Studio 10
"LATER THAT EVENING" TOUR
Source :
FM Recording in an "A" quality
aired by german radio NDR
Eberhard Weber - bass
Bill Frisell - guitar
Lyle Mays - piano
Paul McCandless - soprano sax, oboe, english horn, bass clarinet
Michael DiPasqua - drums
Mario Castronari - perc
01. Often in the Open (aka "Workshop I")
02. Maurizius (aka "Kotulla")
03. Death in the Carwash (aka "Workshop II")
(fade out by Radio Announcer Michael Naura)
total time 59:14 min.
remarks
titles are declared by Eberhard Weber as "Stuecke, die noch keinen Titel haben." ("Compositions without titles"). The compositions were performed and recorded one month later again, for 'Later That Evening' on ECM (ECM 1231)."
"Maurizius" got its title for its theme being the soundtrack of a four-part series in German TV, "Der Fall Maurizius" (an adaptation of Jakob Wassermann's novel). Similarly, "Death In The Carwash" was used in the 1982 movie "Der Tod in der Waschstraße" which in spite of its somewhat lurid title is about love, not crime (iirc)."
THANK YOU!
@@cosmicpickle6562 Je vous en prie. C'est un plaisir.
By the way...Weber played the bass on "Mother stands for comfort" by Kate Bush on her album "Hounds of Love"... ua-cam.com/video/xRnT9_eSVYM/v-deo.html
Kate apparently is a big Weber fan of his solo albums. I believe he plays on at least one track on 3 of her various albums over the years.
Wayne shorter, décédé, il y a deux jours, reste le maitre incontestable de l'amour et de la musique
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Wonderful record. Mario Castronari on percussion? That seems weird. But why would a bass player employ another bass player? What's happened to Castronari anyway? He seems to have dropped entirely out of view; the three Roadside Picnic records from the 80s/90s are excellent, though.
Well I downloaded this from some site years ago and just went by the credits that were listed there. Castronari was the only musician listed in the band that I was unfamiliar with and the only references I found to him online have him listed as a bassist, not a percussionist (although the credits from the site listed him as a percussionist and all the other musicians credits were correct as far as their respective instruments). One listener here mentioned that they think Castronari may actually be playing Bass here since they mentioned there's times when they hear 2 bass parts going on, though I don't know why Weber would hire another bassist. He did play with Steve Swallow in Gary Burton's band remember, so maybe Weber liked the idea of having 2 bassists in the band? Not sure since he didn't do that again in a band/group context. Though there must have been more to the concert than what is here and perhaps Weber had a segment of the concert with just the 2 bassists playing duets, who knows. That might account for Castronari's presence.
Thanks.That's all true. I shall give it a very careful lesson to hear if I can discern two basses.
Great-please leave a follow up message with any findings/impressions you may have since this is a mystery that needs to be solved!
@@cosmicpickle6562 There are def parts with two basses. If you check right around 43:00 you'll hear it, it's very subtle.
@@cosmicpickle6562 Also, at 50:30 there's an actual bass duet.