He was remarkably bad at getting away with the things he's known to have done. If not for the French Revolution he probably would have spent the rest of his life in the Bastille.
Too much money, boredom and little to no consequences leads to debauchery. It's mostly sexual violence against the poor and helpless. His victims had little to no chance of consenting.
There are two angles. From the viewpoint of those who hold high moral standards, his deviancy would be worse. From the viewpoint of those in power, his revealing of their deviancy would be worse.
As an anarchist it always baffles me that people have accepted the state for literally thousands of years. If you have a society built on monopoly on violence and unnatural hierarchies, of course you will have psychopaths and pedophiles ruling the rest of the people. In an egalitarian society these cockroaches would have been killed. In the state they thrive.
Exactly. It's impossible at this point for us to forget this guy. The word "sadism" exists because of him. The fact that he's now celebrated as a literary icon, though? To hell with that. The things that he did in his life are inexcusable, not to mention the things that he wrote. We have Jane Eyre. We have War and Piece. We have Sense and Sensibility. The idea that we should give even a moment to someone who basically spent his entire life listing off his sick masturbatory fantasies when it would take a lifetime and a half just to read all the worthwhile literature in the world is beyond me.
I tried reading Justine but never finished it. I am a Dom but, as such, consider informed mutual consent to be mandatory. In his case, I found nothing but gratuitous abuse. I have no illusions that this is still common among societies elites. One should note that the region of the US with the highest reported level of child abductions to be the area around Washington DC. So, nothing has changed since De Sade's day.
@@itsacarolbthing5221 rape was a concept so consent was too. Don't pretend like we're more virtuous than a few hundred years ago, we're just less ignorant.
When somebody claims that the region with the highest rate of child abduction is around DC I of course immediately think of two popular creepypastas: Pizzagate and Adrenochrome. So I can't help but ask google, and the first piece of information I find indicates that the highest rates of child abduction occur in Texas, Ohio, Florida, California and New York. I understand that fake news have been around forever, and in these interesting times fake news travel fast via the internet, so I just want to remind that there are many bad people out there and you especially mustn't trust the biggest, fattest of liars. You're welcome.
Having struggled thru 120 days, I don't like these attempts to "redeem" him. The book was of no literary value, just a never ending litany of increasingly depraved/stupid acts, perpetrated by rich people on poor people. It is not some political expose, just the ramblings of someone dangerously insane.
Sensation sold his reputation as being wicked a cult that begins to exist to breed his need to be recognized famous a writer.of great visions... he was a Smutty pornographer of cheap material that he promoted as excellent smut....to.procure libertine taste....
The Duke, a leader of the church, two other people in positions of power, and, in a recent parody in a comic, only a general was missing in that remote chateau for 120 days. It's about the monstrous abuses of power he saw every day in France before and during the revolution. 120 days is an outline, intended to be written up as a serial. There's a similar story about a group of people brought to a house to have a powerful man lord it over them, only for him to fall down the stairs and die. If we knew exactly where the farce turns to tragedy, we might not allow such abuse. DeSade's line of 'One more step and you will be free!' has some relevance here, especially in that it can be used by abusers and the abused.
What Sade describes in his literature brings to mind the monstrosities that occurred in Belgian where children were sexually exploited, murdered, baby’s throats were cut, starved to death by the politicians and royalty of the European upper class during the 1980 and 1990’s
By no means is he a whistleblower. He was an arrogant prev who tooted his own whistle and/or looking for revenge gave up others. Image someone who saw no shame in his evil sexual needs. Narcissist, sociopath or both he was truely something that cant be named
Sounds like Hollywood. You did not include the documented story of what he did to his wife. Nor did you include what he suffered as an aristocratic little boy what was done to him during his childhood by the "representatives of God", the priests, which was what lead him to be an atheist and to experiment into just how depraved a man could descend, even to the subhuman, sub-animalistic levels. He was protected so much by his wife, by his powerful family ties in the aristocracy. Sounds so familiar; the "I'm above all laws" attitude of the megawealthy today.
It's not just an attitude. They are above the law because they are the law. Think about it: If you were a smart psychopath, what would your dream job be?
Exactly, we often overlook the present system of justice, which in the case of the pseudo-elite means just us. It's no different as in the 18th century, where people of high status can pay off their crimes, i.e. Hollywood, Wall Street or Washington DC, Times have changed, but the system and amorality of people haven't. Accountability and morality are the foundations of a proper and just society.
He was a monster inflicting pain on the vulnerable for his own pleasure. He is reflective of the depraved elite that existed during his time. Aristocracy that got away with murder or ended up dying of Syphilis. I place where he initially came up with such depravity from connections with the Christian Catholic Church. Flagellation & some of the extreme torture placed on the body by representatives of the faith towards those perceived as sinners. Medieval torture & dismemberment, it’s clear where de Sade got his inspiration. He was insane:
He was simply responding in his writings to Rosseau's claim that human nature is good. The man did not enjoy inflicting torture and was in fact more of a masochist in his personal life than a sadist (obviously he had a propensity for sadism as well, but often was more masochistic.) He also hated the smell of blood and was against public executions, which his libertines seem to much enjoy. Most of his work was satirical and a response to current thought he disagreed with.
I cannot deal with the words “free spirit” being used to describe abusers. There’s too much titillation and winking around De Sade. He was not a lover. He was a violent abuser and I’m disgusted by everything I hear about him.
Excellent introduction to this creepy author! And I appreciated your characterization of Monsieur François’ revelations of debauchery among the elites as something akin to a whistleblower. It’s easy to overlook the political undertones of writing when it’s so explicitly provocative and disturbing
I've read all of these works in English translation, and was properly horrified and fascinated. But his politics are quite vivid as well. You can't parse genius, it comes as it will, often bundled with unpleasant accoutrements.
I've always assumed that the joke was based on the shock of hearing about their activities and knowing that it wasn't just a joke, but based on real accounts.
His main argument was that he who enjoys both having torture inflicted upon himself and inflicting it on others is the true powerful one. So he did not mind.
Napoleon was smarter than most judges today. He knew to imprison this creep BEFORE he acted on his desires. Nowadays we let multiple-count stalkers go about their business and sex offenders go free after 5-10 years
I think it would have helped understanding de Sade's sexual and evil ways by explaining to the viewer how hw was exposed to orgies and various sexual escapades at a very young age and throughout his early years.
fascinating how people will dress up sexual sadism as political critique. whatever causes these propensities, they are burbling under the skin of just about everyone and the feigned horror at their description is just another facet of the dichotomy between who we are and who we want others to think we are.
Sexual sadism is clearly one of the most shocking and "evil" things as percieved by society, and in Sade's time so was blasphemy and homosexuality. He employed all of this in his writing.
I used him in a psychology paper refeering how a human mind can deteriorate if it is in a bad state and suggested that he had had a brain trauma as young or syphilis
Nothing of that. He was simply from an aristocrat family and hence raised like all those aristocrats are. Nothing else. Still to this day, it is the same. Believe me I know what I am talking about. Make your researches.
He just had an open mind and a different way of thinking. It is important to view him in a historical light - yes he was exposing corruption of the elite which he partook in, but his writings are often purposefully asburd or satirical. So much of it is just a response to Rosseau's claim that man's nature is good which sade disagreed with and took to the ultimate opposite level. To an absurd point, yeah, but at times very spot on. I believe that ultimately he was not any more monstrous than his contemporaries. He did believe in the power of himself and the strong over the weak, often pointing to how this was the case in "nature" (he actually did believe in the superiority of nature imo, but disgareed that nature is good.) He was also extremely lucid and well read - he was not in anyway diseased. So many of his writing is satirical or just plain absurd which I believe was understood in his time. He was however extremely dissatisfied with the hypocrisy of the french aristocrats and also sort of believed that in order for the less fortunate to have a revolution and overthrow the aristocrats, they too needed to become what Maurice Blanchot terms "The powerful one" who assert themselves and their superiority onto those weaker than them. It is absolutely ridiculous to simply assume he had syphilis or suffered head injury because his writings stray from acceptable morality. He was a lucid, intelligent and well read man with a lot more substantial thought than society has ever given him credit for.
What he revealed is depravity of the worst kind and I can find no mitigating factor in his writings whatsoever regarding your preposterous notion he was a whistle-blower. I tried to read the sodom book and was so revolted I couldn't finish it, the truth of De Sade is worse than any horror movie that could legally be show. I have no doubt that eventually he would have committed murder or even become a serial killer. Sadists needs the power over the victim and will soon escalate to even more horrific acts to satisfy their needs
He probably was a murderer and got away with it because of his status. That's the way things work now so why not back then? I'm sure you can name several. Murder has always been a way to increase your status and vice versa.
Yeah, sure... That is like saying that Stephen King will do something terrible because he wrote so many terrifying books. 120 Days of S0d0m is a book, and you are accusing him of things he never did because you had no stomach to read that book. Well, sorry, following your logic, so many writers should have turned and should turn into murderers and all kinds of monsters just because they are writing books, fiction about those things. Don't read if you don't want, but don't presume that he would have done this or that just because he wrote a book that you don't like.
@@kelechi_77 You mean Crumb the cartoonist? Yeah, he is a good example... Most of those types of artists use sublimation, the best defense mechanism...That is a psychological defense mechanism that involves channeling unwanted or unacceptable urges into an admissible or productive outlet.
Who knows what to believe now. But during his lifetime, women's rights of any kind were still unimaginably far away and men's words would have held all the power
I think he should have been permitted to write whatever he liked because no man is good enough to censor any other. He should also have been allowed to do anything he pleased with consenting adults. Where I part ways is that there was not always freely given consent, and in that he was given an elevated platform for his works because of his birth, rather than needing to get it on merit.
@@englishatheart if they were making the decision freely and of sound mind I really don't think the state should interfere, of course in practice I'd doubt anyone could make the decision to be killed and still be said to be in sound mind anyway
Society places boundaries for the benefit of society, no one should be allowed to have societies permission to commit vile acts such as those in De Sades book. Sexual sadism is often used on adults and children that give no consent and often leads to death as it escalates. I think if your relative was subjected to De Sades treatment in 120 days you wouldn't be happy, the children in that narrative were kidnapoed
The movie Quills gives a very good depiction of him. Geoffrey Rush and Kate Winslet. While not totally historically correct, it gives a creepy picture of the times
Something of a blight upon those who, with a graduation in civilization, believe in what some might believe as moral progress as Homo Sapiens grows older. De-Sade would be right at home in our here and now. This would suggest to me, that no amount of time can make an animal any-less an animal.
When I first attempted to read the works of the Marquis de Sade, from about 1987 onwards, I didn't think of him as a Whistle Blower. However, as more information surfaced, in the 21st Century, of Child Abuse, both in the Roman Catholic Church and also among the rich and powerful, then more and more, I started to see de Sade as, primarily a Whistle Blower. The fictional nature of de Sade's writing began at this time, to seem like Self Preservation. That is: Had he said that powerful members of Church and State engage in torturing children, he would have been murdered to shut him up. By writing of powerful members of Church and State engaging in such practices in fiction, those who did such things could say he was a deranged pervert. This allowed them to dismiss de Sade without killing him. Now, I suggest, we should look at de Sade as a very successful Whistle Blower. He got himself locked up, but he lived into his seventies without being bumped off.
This poor woman, Rose! She just wanted work as maid and whom does she land as a boss? The Marquis de fu-king Sade!! Likely to be an abusive boss?!? I think so!
She was likely a prostitute, and would have lied as she did not want to be imprisoned for prostitution. Either way, what she had to endure was horribly cruel but she was not entirely unaware.
You don't mention Philosophy in the Bedroom. This work is a much more 'upbeat' exposition of Libertinism, that seems to be closer to what we know of De Sade's actual practices and proclivities that 120 Days, or Justine and Juliette. It doesn't seem to get much attention because, I think, it is harder to hate, especially in the time of the Sexual Revolution and the popularization of BDSM.
I love that and dialogue between a priest and a dying man. Absolutely brilliant. I think Sade enjoyed absurdity to an extent - such as how he claims human nature is cruel and evil and that it is actually virtuous to engage in criminal activities - likely in order to highlight the absurdity he percieved in arguments that nature is wholly good. Even Philosophy in the bedroom has its parts of lucidity before devolving into somewhat more absurd territory. Brilliant work either way. Sade was a genius of his time and its no wonder he influenced so many great existential thinkers. He was ahead of his time.
@@Kissingerzones1311 lmfao which god? The one which allows 12 year old girls to marry and be maritally raped as soon as they are able to bleed, or the one which allows the same with 6 year olds? Get over yourself. Sade was a genius, his works were valuable, and he was a heinous being at the same time. Relax and accept it?
I guess that I don’t really understand this question. I think that He was sentenced because of Both reasons! First of All, People were very much more Pius and Religious! They probably could not imagine nor did they want to read or lt or judge it. Then the others may want Him to be tried and put into jail because He was an HORRIBLE ABUSIVE SADIST AND DID NOT WANT HIM OUT AND ABLE TO HURT AND HARM ANYONE AGAIN!!!
I've only seen one movie that has been based on his work. 120 Days Of Sodom AKA Salo. It was made in the 70's in Italy. They changed most of the book, while still keeping the horrible abuse. Da fuck brought this man to this lifestyle?!
The guy was a sexual deviant and a danger to himself as well as those around him. There is room for every type of pleasure as long as its consensual and not a danger to the mental and general health of the participants
Sade wrote about violence in order to make a point about human nature, he himself got extremely sick at the smell of blood and excused his worst enemy (the man who kept him imprisoned) from execution as he was against it.
I never could figure just what to make of DeSades work. I have figured it is fantastical. He didn’t really do exactly what he described. He was depraved. And a wealthy and entitled member of French society. He was a bad person!
« Oui, je suis libertin, j’ai conçu tout ce qu’on peut concevoir dans ce genre-là, mais je n’ai sûrement pas fait tout ce que j’ai conçu et ne le ferai sûrement jamais. Je suis un libertin, mais je ne suis pas un criminel ni un meurtrier. […] » - D. A. F. de SADE.
I Read all of his books they were published in America. Most of his books were destroyed in France during the revolution. Unfortunately he used to watch the executions during the reign of terror from the Bastille. He didn’t do anything nearly as bad as the French revolution but he’s the only Royal that didn’t get decapitated and most of his transgressions were merely fantasy written down in a book. Still, we all know after reading books that he was just a little bit over the top..
Well. Thanks for the video. The Marquis most heinous crime were all the fantasies he described in his books and telling people about the rampant corruption of his times. If you compare this man with the Catholic church officials like priests, nuns, bishops, cardinals and so on, this guy was an altar boy. Being theses Catholic individuals well known rapists and child molesters for centuries, covering each other's terrible activities, simply moving the perps around. Then you have the muslims, selling and buying children, particularly little girls to get married to dirty old bastards, etc. The history of religion is plagued with these abhorrent conducts well known by politicians and governments. Then The war like is explained for example in Paths of Glory by Kubrick, which, was obviously banned everywhere for the exposure of the military hierarchy.... Well, Sade had a lot of fantasy. These monsters I'm talking about were and are very real.
"If you compare this man with the Catholic church officials like priests, nuns, bishops, cardinals and so on, this guy was an altar boy." are you joking? he is as evil as them... stop redeeming this guy...
I don't think I will ever understand the constant attempts to make him out to be some kind of tortured, misunderstood hero. He wasn't exposing anything… He wrote about his own depraved fantasies that he was proven to live out.
You conveniently left out that he imprisoned 6 children in his chateau at Lacoste. It is well known that his wife's family paid off witnesses. It seems that this video cherry picked information to make de Sade look like a victim when even when you accept his side of the story it becomes clear that he deeply manipulative, criminally sadistic, and a kidnapper. De Sade is an interesting case study in criminology, but as a writer, he's just a resentful, hate-filled sadist whose whole philosophy was nothing more than him practing his skill at manipulating others into becoming his accomplices, a skill which is also prevalent in his biography.
If you reject what is holy, there is only one other way to escape the material. There are no "shades of Grey" for those who truly aspire to the mysteries of the immaterial,
I couldn't finish 120 Days. It wasn't thought provoking, it was just....boring. It was a tedious litany of poop activities. It felt as though he was purely trying to shock, not to explore emotions, themes or ideas. Waste of effort, frankly.
It's an unfinished work and not representative of any of his greater ideas. Read Philosophy in the Bedroom, Dialogue between a priest and a dying man or justine. The first two are his best works.
No worse than our "loving" God Hosea 13: Samaria shall become desolate, for she hath rebelled against her God. They shall fall by the sword, their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
He maight look like a whisleblower of his time but in fct it is far from that, as for those who don't know, the whole aristocratic class (the french one at start) is following the sa ta nic religion. Hence all the horrors they do with kids since ages, as following their calendar (easily found on internet). Everything Sade described is still ongoing to this day, there are many many victims of all aorund the globe that have described similar atrocities...And one of the trits of those perverted sick minds is that they enjoy pure torture (the only thing that makes them have an orgasm) hence they enjoy talking about it or bragging about it. So many of those aristos have got a diary where they concile everything they do to kids and other victims. To this day. Sade was one of them and he took great pleasure in reviving what he did to innocent people by writing his "novels".
I once saw a short documentary about a german guy who told how he helped russian street kids. He said the kids hide from police as they would take them to these bastards. He got information about a house and some people who helped him. He said when they arrived nobody was there anymore but it was a place rich people did their thing. He told about operation desks and other theme based activities they did to those poor kids. This guy nearly cryed and has depressions from that event.
@@realityisascam ok,read this: The verbose revolutionary treatise that Sade includes in Philosophy in the Boudoir (“Frenchmen, Some More Effort If You Wish to Become Republicans,” 2006, 104-149) : In the purity of natural laws, a woman cannot reject a man’s advances … no man can be excluded from possessing a woman … she resolutely belongs to all men … it is … incontestable that we have the right to force them all to submit to us … Indeed, we even have the right to pass laws to compel a woman to yield to the ardor of the man who desires her, whereby violence itself … can be used legally by us … (2006, 128) Do you consider him a hero now?
i find the surgeon's thumb-up gesture and smile amusing. (4:21-4:27) wait a minute. given the nature of the video, maybe they're _not_ amusing. all that much.
Sade was no fan of the Revolution, The Terror, or the Guillotine. When he was freed from the Bastille and became a citizen, he refused to execute anyone.
@@MauditePart I didn't mean to say he was a revolutionary, rather I was using his name as an example of the sort of person from which a revolutionary might point to for the motive to act against. I can't think of any of the nobility who supported the revolution.
@robertmacias7920 Have you, by any chance, had the good fortune to read anything by Germaine de Staël? This philosopher was making the same arguments as Sade but lacks the scandalous baggage. After reading all the biographies of Sade and studying under Michel Delon, I've come to the conclusion that the historical Sade is most probably lost to antiquity. Of his writings, I agree with Delon: Sade is a philosopher, and his work is pure natural philosophy and political philosophy. Sade's works are disguised as parodic pornography after the style of Rabelais. His condemnation of the French monarchy, the Revolution, and his warning about the excesses of libertinage are clear. I don't consider Sade a hero, but I do believe his writings are immensely important, especially read on their proper context.
I think he also would love the movie alien when you think alien was the one of the coolest movies this movie is Sprint because a force of nature that can defeat men
In the mid 60s, Grove Press released The Writings of the Marquis de Sade and I bought it and read it. Over the years, I read segments and in 2023, I read it again. Sade was not a good writer. He was quite verbose and I found reading the book boring and tedious. IMO, reading the Marquis is a waste of time and I cannot recommend doing it.
Learn French and try again. The manuscripts for all his writings have finally been bought from the Germans, so you can expect wildly varying new translations soon enough.
No, he wasn't. He carried on with his wife's sister - who, to be fair, he would much rather have married if he'd been free to choose. (It was an arranged marriage.) He actually never met his daughter until she was about 19, and described her as "a hefty farm-wench of a girl, as ugly as she was irredeemably stupid." So no, not a great dad.
She also supported him and seemed to love him, although it was an arranged marriage (he was forced to marry her although he was in love with another woman)
He was a sexually deviant psychopath. Is that what you are? See a doctor. Get help before you kill someone, because that was certainly the road he was travelling.
I'm always bewildered that nobody ever dares suggest that De Sade's writings were non-fiction. I'm glad that someone finally said it.
Of course they were non-fiction. Pasolini was murdered for making a movie of the 120 Days.
Marquis de Sade wrote stories that he had heard from aristocrats and fellow prisoners.
what kind of fiction this is dude? what kind of sick mind imagine this things? a demon?
Also, it should be noted, de Sade was quite wealthy. Wealthy enough to pay off doctors and other witnesses. Also the courts.
Wasn't he jailed ?
Yes, and also spent time in an insane asylum. The elites warned him , but he defied any attempt on what he considered his freedom.
@@ExperiencedGhost Eventually, I think he was.
@@ExperiencedGhost At Charenton. The play Marat/Sade intimately links the political with the sexual. Why not? We all know they're connected.
He was remarkably bad at getting away with the things he's known to have done. If not for the French Revolution he probably would have spent the rest of his life in the Bastille.
Too much money, boredom and little to no consequences leads to debauchery. It's mostly sexual violence against the poor and helpless. His victims had little to no chance of consenting.
Kinda like the repeat visitors to epstein's Island
No. It's called satanism. Simple.
There are two angles. From the viewpoint of those who hold high moral standards, his deviancy would be worse. From the viewpoint of those in power, his revealing of their deviancy would be worse.
I agree. In fact, I think there are many perspectives we can take on Sade. He was a complex character living in complex times.
Sounds like your pervs.
@@ImmaterialMinds Have there ever been less complex times when such behaviour lessened? Such behaviours exist at all times.
As an anarchist it always baffles me that people have accepted the state for literally thousands of years. If you have a society built on monopoly on violence and unnatural hierarchies, of course you will have psychopaths and pedophiles ruling the rest of the people. In an egalitarian society these cockroaches would have been killed. In the state they thrive.
DeSade was a deeply evil man, not a genius. His class and background enabled him to live a life of cruelty and depravity with few consequences.
Applause, because I agree 100%!
Very silly, childish thing to say
Mh? You talk like someone cannot be an evil man and a genious at the same time. Which is wrong.
@@eliasbonafe9236 What about him made him a genious? He tortured and had no regard for human life, but hardly anything to make him a genious.
28 ans en prison tout de même
There is no such thing as a "sexually-driven rage"; that's just the rationalization of an entitled brat excusing his choice to commit sexual assault.
What about a woman forcing things up a bound man's anus? Is that also evil?
vvätt about oui cca??
The greek word... orgy... means unrestrained passion.
Exactly. It's impossible at this point for us to forget this guy. The word "sadism" exists because of him. The fact that he's now celebrated as a literary icon, though? To hell with that. The things that he did in his life are inexcusable, not to mention the things that he wrote. We have Jane Eyre. We have War and Piece. We have Sense and Sensibility. The idea that we should give even a moment to someone who basically spent his entire life listing off his sick masturbatory fantasies when it would take a lifetime and a half just to read all the worthwhile literature in the world is beyond me.
@@jackrussell1232 Sade writes really good torture porn though. One of my favorite genres.
I tried reading Justine but never finished it. I am a Dom but, as such, consider informed mutual consent to be mandatory. In his case, I found nothing but gratuitous abuse. I have no illusions that this is still common among societies elites. One should note that the region of the US with the highest reported level of child abductions to be the area around Washington DC. So, nothing has changed since De Sade's day.
Very true indeed . Absolutely disturbing
I don't think consent was a consideration in his day. Safe, sane and consensual are modern concepts. But thank God we have those principles now.
@@itsacarolbthing5221 rape was a concept so consent was too.
Don't pretend like we're more virtuous than a few hundred years ago, we're just less ignorant.
When somebody claims that the region with the highest rate of child abduction is around DC I of course immediately think of two popular creepypastas: Pizzagate and Adrenochrome. So I can't help but ask google, and the first piece of information I find indicates that the highest rates of child abduction occur in Texas, Ohio, Florida, California and New York.
I understand that fake news have been around forever, and in these interesting times fake news travel fast via the internet, so I just want to remind that there are many bad people out there and you especially mustn't trust the biggest, fattest of liars.
You're welcome.
@@itsacarolbthing5221they knew exactly what consent is.
Having struggled thru 120 days, I don't like these attempts to "redeem" him. The book was of no literary value, just a never ending litany of increasingly depraved/stupid acts, perpetrated by rich people on poor people. It is not some political expose, just the ramblings of someone dangerously insane.
And our politicians are sane?
I totally agree with you
So not worth reading euh
Sensation sold his reputation as being wicked a cult that begins to exist to breed his need to be recognized famous a writer.of great visions... he was a Smutty pornographer of cheap material that he promoted as excellent smut....to.procure libertine taste....
The Duke, a leader of the church, two other people in positions of power, and, in a recent parody in a comic, only a general was missing in that remote chateau for 120 days.
It's about the monstrous abuses of power he saw every day in France before and during the revolution.
120 days is an outline, intended to be written up as a serial.
There's a similar story about a group of people brought to a house to have a powerful man lord it over them, only for him to fall down the stairs and die. If we knew exactly where the farce turns to tragedy, we might not allow such abuse.
DeSade's line of 'One more step and you will be free!' has some relevance here, especially in that it can be used by abusers and the abused.
What Sade describes in his literature brings to mind the monstrosities that occurred in Belgian where children were sexually exploited, murdered, baby’s throats were cut, starved to death by the politicians and royalty of the European upper class during the 1980 and 1990’s
Is that the mother of darkness story?I’ve heard the beast of Belgium was connected to that but don’t know how true that is
By no means is he a whistleblower. He was an arrogant prev who tooted his own whistle and/or looking for revenge gave up others. Image someone who saw no shame in his evil sexual needs. Narcissist, sociopath or both he was truely something that cant be named
That sounds like the description of most of our political class.
Sounds like someone who never did any substantial research on the man.
@@realityisascamyou support rape
@@realityisascam
many such users here in the comment section... it's actually sickening to read their ignorant comments
Sounds like Hollywood. You did not include the documented story of what he did to his wife. Nor did you include what he suffered as an aristocratic little boy what was done to him during his childhood by the "representatives of God", the priests, which was what lead him to be an atheist and to experiment into just how depraved a man could descend, even to the subhuman, sub-animalistic levels. He was protected so much by his wife, by his powerful family ties in the aristocracy. Sounds so familiar; the "I'm above all laws" attitude of the megawealthy today.
It's not just an attitude. They are above the law because they are the law. Think about it: If you were a smart psychopath, what would your dream job be?
Exactly, we often overlook the present system of justice, which in the case of the pseudo-elite means just us. It's no different as in the 18th century, where people of high status can pay off their crimes, i.e. Hollywood, Wall Street or Washington DC, Times have changed, but the system and amorality of people haven't. Accountability and morality are the foundations of a proper and just society.
What he did to his wife? plz can you elaborate this ?
Make your video then.
@@albertspits8370 It happens all over the world not just Hollywood. Funny how you don't mention that.
He was a monster inflicting pain on the vulnerable for his own pleasure. He is reflective of the depraved elite that existed during his time. Aristocracy that got away with murder or ended up dying of Syphilis. I place where he initially came up with such depravity from connections with the Christian Catholic Church. Flagellation & some of the extreme torture placed on the body by representatives of the faith towards those perceived as sinners. Medieval torture & dismemberment, it’s clear where de Sade got his inspiration. He was insane:
The elite of today are just as depraved
He was simply responding in his writings to Rosseau's claim that human nature is good. The man did not enjoy inflicting torture and was in fact more of a masochist in his personal life than a sadist (obviously he had a propensity for sadism as well, but often was more masochistic.)
He also hated the smell of blood and was against public executions, which his libertines seem to much enjoy. Most of his work was satirical and a response to current thought he disagreed with.
I cannot deal with the words “free spirit” being used to describe abusers. There’s too much titillation and winking around De Sade. He was not a lover. He was a violent abuser and I’m disgusted by everything I hear about him.
At 8: 30 he's not an aristocratic Playboy he's a psychopath
I see your point… but it’s important to note his social status to point out the corruption.
Excellent introduction to this creepy author!
And I appreciated your characterization of Monsieur François’ revelations of debauchery among the elites as something akin to a whistleblower. It’s easy to overlook the political undertones of writing when it’s so explicitly provocative and disturbing
Thanks - glad you liked it!
I've read all of these works in English translation, and was properly horrified and fascinated. But his politics are quite vivid as well. You can't parse genius, it comes as it will, often bundled with unpleasant accoutrements.
I'm glad someone else also finds his works equal parts horrifying and fascinating (as I do too)! 😆
@@ImmaterialMindsi mean, that was their purpose!
hearing what _Juliette_ is about, i'm reminded of the set-up of the joke "The Aristocrats"
I've always assumed that the joke was based on the shock of hearing about their activities and knowing that it wasn't just a joke, but based on real accounts.
The aristocrats joke is making fun of aholes like racists who live in trailer parks and hate others but then in their minds act like they're royalty
i wonder how he would have handled someone making him suffer all he did to others
He'd probably enjoy it
His main argument was that he who enjoys both having torture inflicted upon himself and inflicting it on others is the true powerful one. So he did not mind.
Unbelievable. In my opinion he should have been put in prison for life after the first crime. Or sentenced to death. He probably paid off the doctor
Marquis de sade and Casanova are two sides of the same coin. Besties even 😂 but at least casanova did his things sweetly
The two men despised each other. See Casanova on Sade and Sade on Casanova.
Napoleon was smarter than most judges today. He knew to imprison this creep BEFORE he acted on his desires. Nowadays we let multiple-count stalkers go about their business and sex offenders go free after 5-10 years
I think it would have helped understanding de Sade's sexual and evil ways by explaining to the viewer how hw was exposed to orgies and various sexual escapades at a very young age and throughout his early years.
You are a great commentator. Easy to listen to.
fascinating how people will dress up sexual sadism as political critique. whatever causes these propensities, they are burbling under the skin of just about everyone and the feigned horror at their description is just another facet of the dichotomy between who we are and who we want others to think we are.
Crikey! I’m sad that you’re unfortunate enough to have been led to think that most people wouldn’t recoil at these transgressions.
The play Marat/Sade intimately links the political with the sexual. Why not? We all know they're connected.
@@neilreynolds3858 you seem to be in many of these comments, your rehashing the same narrative and it's absurd
@@firebyrd437please at least learn your you're from your your before criticizing others...
Sexual sadism is clearly one of the most shocking and "evil" things as percieved by society, and in Sade's time so was blasphemy and homosexuality. He employed all of this in his writing.
I used him in a psychology paper refeering how a human mind can deteriorate if it is in a bad state and suggested that he had had a brain trauma as young or syphilis
It's what power does to people. Have you heard what Tiberius did on Capri?
Nothing of that. He was simply from an aristocrat family and hence raised like all those aristocrats are. Nothing else. Still to this day, it is the same. Believe me I know what I am talking about. Make your researches.
wrong. he was just an aristocrat hence devoted to sa tan. as simple as that. make your researches.
Just because he had different moral standards he had syphilis... Sure... you are lying, and you are bad at that too.
He just had an open mind and a different way of thinking. It is important to view him in a historical light - yes he was exposing corruption of the elite which he partook in, but his writings are often purposefully asburd or satirical. So much of it is just a response to Rosseau's claim that man's nature is good which sade disagreed with and took to the ultimate opposite level. To an absurd point, yeah, but at times very spot on. I believe that ultimately he was not any more monstrous than his contemporaries. He did believe in the power of himself and the strong over the weak, often pointing to how this was the case in "nature" (he actually did believe in the superiority of nature imo, but disgareed that nature is good.)
He was also extremely lucid and well read - he was not in anyway diseased. So many of his writing is satirical or just plain absurd which I believe was understood in his time.
He was however extremely dissatisfied with the hypocrisy of the french aristocrats and also sort of believed that in order for the less fortunate to have a revolution and overthrow the aristocrats, they too needed to become what Maurice Blanchot terms "The powerful one" who assert themselves and their superiority onto those weaker than them.
It is absolutely ridiculous to simply assume he had syphilis or suffered head injury because his writings stray from acceptable morality. He was a lucid, intelligent and well read man with a lot more substantial thought than society has ever given him credit for.
What he revealed is depravity of the worst kind and I can find no mitigating factor in his writings whatsoever regarding your preposterous notion he was a whistle-blower. I tried to read the sodom book and was so revolted I couldn't finish it, the truth of De Sade is worse than any horror movie that could legally be show. I have no doubt that eventually he would have committed murder or even become a serial killer. Sadists needs the power over the victim and will soon escalate to even more horrific acts to satisfy their needs
He probably was a murderer and got away with it because of his status. That's the way things work now so why not back then? I'm sure you can name several. Murder has always been a way to increase your status and vice versa.
Yeah, sure... That is like saying that Stephen King will do something terrible because he wrote so many terrifying books. 120 Days of S0d0m is a book, and you are accusing him of things he never did because you had no stomach to read that book. Well, sorry, following your logic, so many writers should have turned and should turn into murderers and all kinds of monsters just because they are writing books, fiction about those things.
Don't read if you don't want, but don't presume that he would have done this or that just because he wrote a book that you don't like.
Try reading A Conversation Between a Priest and a Dying Man and then tell me his work is not political.
@@ozymandiasultor9480 Exactly, it's like calling Robert Crumb a r@pist and assaulter because of his depraved 70s literature fantasies.
@@kelechi_77 You mean Crumb the cartoonist? Yeah, he is a good example... Most of those types of artists use sublimation, the best defense mechanism...That is a psychological defense mechanism that involves channeling unwanted or unacceptable urges into an admissible or productive outlet.
Who knows what to believe now. But during his lifetime, women's rights of any kind were still unimaginably far away and men's words would have held all the power
Amazing video. But let’s face it. The MDS was a sexual sicko in any era.
I think he should have been permitted to write whatever he liked because no man is good enough to censor any other. He should also have been allowed to do anything he pleased with consenting adults. Where I part ways is that there was not always freely given consent, and in that he was given an elevated platform for his works because of his birth, rather than needing to get it on merit.
So, had one of his "consenting adults" agreed to being killed, should he have been allowed that?
@@englishatheart if they were making the decision freely and of sound mind I really don't think the state should interfere, of course in practice I'd doubt anyone could make the decision to be killed and still be said to be in sound mind anyway
Society places boundaries for the benefit of society, no one should be allowed to have societies permission to commit vile acts such as those in De Sades book. Sexual sadism is often used on adults and children that give no consent and often leads to death as it escalates. I think if your relative was subjected to De Sades treatment in 120 days you wouldn't be happy, the children in that narrative were kidnapoed
"not always " ? hahahahaha look better.
Exactly!
De Sade was a wealthy, gay aristocrat who didn't like women. Clearly, he had major anger issues, including anger against himself-hence the masochism.
He did like women though, he constantly fell deeply in love with em and held many in high esteem.
I guess Slaneesh had a practice run before committing to Fulgrim more about 30k years later.
The movie Quills gives a very good depiction of him. Geoffrey Rush and Kate Winslet. While not totally historically correct, it gives a creepy picture of the times
Ugh. Never forget that film
Really enjoyed your simple clear and classy narration, and thoughtfulness. Thanks. I’ve subscribed.
Something of a blight upon those who, with a graduation in civilization, believe in what some might believe as moral progress as Homo Sapiens grows older. De-Sade would be right at home in our here and now. This would suggest to me, that no amount of time can make an animal any-less an animal.
You do a great disservice to animals by your statement.
@@talex1625 Gotcha 👍
@@talex1625 True, I would never degrade an animal by calling it human.
@@neilreynolds3858Unfortunately some humans are degrading their animals by dressing them in human clothes. It is demeaning to the animal.
He would also not be imprisioned as most of his crimes can be summed up as blasphemy and sodomy.
@4:28 That surgeon is still alive? Good for him, he seems really happy.
When I first attempted to read the works of the Marquis de Sade, from about 1987 onwards, I didn't think of him as a Whistle Blower.
However, as more information surfaced, in the 21st Century, of Child Abuse, both in the Roman Catholic Church and also among the rich and powerful, then more and more, I started to see de Sade as, primarily a Whistle Blower.
The fictional nature of de Sade's writing began at this time, to seem like Self Preservation. That is: Had he said that powerful members of Church and State engage in torturing children, he would have been murdered to shut him up. By writing of powerful members of Church and State engaging in such practices in fiction, those who did such things could say he was a deranged pervert. This allowed them to dismiss de Sade without killing him.
Now, I suggest, we should look at de Sade as a very successful Whistle Blower. He got himself locked up, but he lived into his seventies without being bumped off.
O, My, it sounds like Hollywood.
The Keller affair sentence was overturned.
This poor woman, Rose! She just wanted work as maid and whom does she land as a boss? The Marquis de fu-king Sade!! Likely to be an abusive boss?!? I think so!
She was likely a prostitute, and would have lied as she did not want to be imprisoned for prostitution.
Either way, what she had to endure was horribly cruel but she was not entirely unaware.
Mental health issues or just to much time on his hands. Either way the horror lives on through many people in the world
In truth De Sade was a man born out of time. a few short years before he could have pursued his delectation's unhindered by the law !
You don't mention Philosophy in the Bedroom. This work is a much more 'upbeat' exposition of Libertinism, that seems to be closer to what we know of De Sade's actual practices and proclivities that 120 Days, or Justine and Juliette. It doesn't seem to get much attention because, I think, it is harder to hate, especially in the time of the Sexual Revolution and the popularization of BDSM.
Exactly! My favourite of his works!
I love that and dialogue between a priest and a dying man. Absolutely brilliant.
I think Sade enjoyed absurdity to an extent - such as how he claims human nature is cruel and evil and that it is actually virtuous to engage in criminal activities - likely in order to highlight the absurdity he percieved in arguments that nature is wholly good. Even Philosophy in the bedroom has its parts of lucidity before devolving into somewhat more absurd territory. Brilliant work either way. Sade was a genius of his time and its no wonder he influenced so many great existential thinkers. He was ahead of his time.
@@realityisascamwasting your time defending the insane works of a rapist pedophile find god holy hell
@@Kissingerzones1311 lmfao which god? The one which allows 12 year old girls to marry and be maritally raped as soon as they are able to bleed, or the one which allows the same with 6 year olds? Get over yourself. Sade was a genius, his works were valuable, and he was a heinous being at the same time. Relax and accept it?
I guess that I don’t really understand this question. I think that He was sentenced because of Both reasons! First of All, People were very much more Pius and Religious! They probably could not imagine nor did they want to read or lt or judge it. Then the others may want Him to be tried and put into jail because He was an HORRIBLE ABUSIVE SADIST AND DID NOT WANT HIM OUT AND ABLE TO HURT AND HARM ANYONE AGAIN!!!
I've only seen one movie that has been based on his work. 120 Days Of Sodom AKA Salo. It was made in the 70's in Italy. They changed most of the book, while still keeping the horrible abuse. Da fuck brought this man to this lifestyle?!
I overflow the book and it was 3 times more terrible then the movie. Really I bet some people would get depression from reading that.
"Explorer in the further regions of experience. Demon to some. Angel to others."
Sickening, depraved, he fully deserved the imprisonment.
He was imprisoned disproportionately to his crimes
The guy was a sexual deviant and a danger to himself as well as those around him.
There is room for every type of pleasure as long as its consensual and not a danger to the mental and general health of the participants
Armie Hammer and Jeffrey Dahmer come to mind.
Sade wrote about violence in order to make a point about human nature, he himself got extremely sick at the smell of blood and excused his worst enemy (the man who kept him imprisoned) from execution as he was against it.
Once held up as an aberration of humanity, now known to be nothing special when it comes to modern depravity & perversion.
These people didn't stop existing.
So many famous works of literature were written in prison
Are you thinking of 'Mein Kampf'? doubt Hitler wrote that book anyway.
I had never seen Salo nor read the book until this weekend when I found the audiobook on UA-cam. *Oh, Lord.*
I never could figure just what to make of DeSades work. I have figured it is fantastical. He didn’t really do exactly what he described.
He was depraved. And a wealthy and entitled member of French society.
He was a bad person!
He may well have done the things in his book, he had the wealth and dead men tell no tales
I’m watching
this and thinking of SOUND OF FREEDOM.
Well he is resting in HELLFIRE now
he wasn't a marquis, his title was comte (count) and in prison he was called monsieur le gros (Mr. Fat) because of his obesity.
Very interesting video well narrated and put together
« Oui, je suis libertin, j’ai conçu tout ce qu’on peut concevoir dans ce genre-là, mais je n’ai sûrement pas fait tout ce que j’ai conçu et ne le ferai sûrement jamais. Je suis un libertin, mais je ne suis pas un criminel ni un meurtrier. […] » - D. A. F. de SADE.
I Read all of his books they were published in America. Most of his books were destroyed in France during the revolution. Unfortunately he used to watch the executions during the reign of terror from the Bastille. He didn’t do anything nearly as bad as the French revolution but he’s the only Royal that didn’t get decapitated and most of his transgressions were merely fantasy written down in a book. Still, we all know after reading books that he was just a little bit over the top..
None of Sade's books were destroyed during the Revolution. Guillaume Apollinaire found them all in the BnF!
He was a danger for society, he was insane cruel...
Well. Thanks for the video. The Marquis most heinous crime were all the fantasies he described in his books and telling people about the rampant corruption of his times. If you compare this man with the Catholic church officials like priests, nuns, bishops, cardinals and so on, this guy was an altar boy. Being theses Catholic individuals well known rapists and child molesters for centuries, covering each other's terrible activities, simply moving the perps around. Then you have the muslims, selling and buying children, particularly little girls to get married to dirty old bastards, etc. The history of religion is plagued with these abhorrent conducts well known by politicians and governments. Then The war like is explained for example in Paths of Glory by Kubrick, which, was obviously banned everywhere for the exposure of the military hierarchy.... Well, Sade had a lot of fantasy. These monsters I'm talking about were and are very real.
"If you compare this man with the Catholic church officials like priests, nuns, bishops, cardinals and so on, this guy was an altar boy."
are you joking? he is as evil as them... stop redeeming this guy...
de Sade was one of the most gifted and abominable personages in an era that knew no lack of gifted and abominable personages.
I don't think I will ever understand the constant attempts to make him out to be some kind of tortured, misunderstood hero. He wasn't exposing anything… He wrote about his own depraved fantasies that he was proven to live out.
I can't understand the allure of the smell of faeces and vaseline myself. Rather read a good book.
You conveniently left out that he imprisoned 6 children in his chateau at Lacoste. It is well known that his wife's family paid off witnesses. It seems that this video cherry picked information to make de Sade look like a victim when even when you accept his side of the story it becomes clear that he deeply manipulative, criminally sadistic, and a kidnapper. De Sade is an interesting case study in criminology, but as a writer, he's just a resentful, hate-filled sadist whose whole philosophy was nothing more than him practing his skill at manipulating others into becoming his accomplices, a skill which is also prevalent in his biography.
The whole rusty nail thing is Completely Impossible. Ridiculous.
If you reject what is holy, there is only one other way to escape the material. There are no "shades of Grey" for those who truly aspire to the mysteries of the immaterial,
I couldn't finish 120 Days. It wasn't thought provoking, it was just....boring. It was a tedious litany of poop activities. It felt as though he was purely trying to shock, not to explore emotions, themes or ideas. Waste of effort, frankly.
It's an unfinished work and not representative of any of his greater ideas. Read Philosophy in the Bedroom, Dialogue between a priest and a dying man or justine.
The first two are his best works.
No worse than our "loving" God Hosea 13: Samaria shall become desolate, for she hath rebelled against her God. They shall fall by the sword, their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
I have the movie Quills on DVD along with a pillow a friend gave me back in HS
Desades crimes or crime was being born.... from then on.
I can confirm my face is not AI generated
He maight look like a whisleblower of his time but in fct it is far from that, as for those who don't know, the whole aristocratic class (the french one at start) is following the sa ta nic religion. Hence all the horrors they do with kids since ages, as following their calendar (easily found on internet). Everything Sade described is still ongoing to this day, there are many many victims of all aorund the globe that have described similar atrocities...And one of the trits of those perverted sick minds is that they enjoy pure torture (the only thing that makes them have an orgasm) hence they enjoy talking about it or bragging about it. So many of those aristos have got a diary where they concile everything they do to kids and other victims. To this day. Sade was one of them and he took great pleasure in reviving what he did to innocent people by writing his "novels".
I once saw a short documentary about a german guy who told how he helped russian street kids. He said the kids hide from police as they would take them to these bastards. He got information about a house and some people who helped him. He said when they arrived nobody was there anymore but it was a place rich people did their thing. He told about operation desks and other theme based activities they did to those poor kids. This guy nearly cryed and has depressions from that event.
The most free spirit?
One of Ian Brady’s hero’s uk
I should just read the books.
The only problem with these videos is the music as it makes it harder to listen to the narrator at higher speeds.
Please do Sabbatia Zevi and Jacob Frank
Sounds like you believe him to be a hero.
he was
@@realityisascam ok,read this: The verbose revolutionary treatise that Sade includes in Philosophy in the Boudoir (“Frenchmen, Some More Effort If You Wish to Become Republicans,” 2006, 104-149) : In the purity of natural laws, a woman cannot reject a man’s advances … no man can be excluded from possessing a woman … she resolutely belongs to all men … it is … incontestable that we have the right to force them all to submit to us … Indeed, we even have the right to pass laws to compel a woman to yield to the ardor of the man who desires her, whereby violence itself … can be used legally by us … (2006, 128)
Do you consider him a hero now?
@@jahirareyes1102 I have read it. It's one of my favorite works by him. It's also political satire...
i find the surgeon's thumb-up gesture and smile amusing. (4:21-4:27)
wait a minute.
given the nature of the video, maybe they're _not_ amusing. all that much.
Englund ( elm street) played him 80s?
Was he wearing leather chaps??
Such folk ushered in the French Revolution
Sade was no fan of the Revolution, The Terror, or the Guillotine. When he was freed from the Bastille and became a citizen, he refused to execute anyone.
@@MauditePart I didn't mean to say he was a revolutionary, rather I was using his name as an example of the sort of person from which a revolutionary might point to for the motive to act against. I can't think of any of the nobility who supported the revolution.
@robertmacias7920 Have you, by any chance, had the good fortune to read anything by Germaine de Staël? This philosopher was making the same arguments as Sade but lacks the scandalous baggage. After reading all the biographies of Sade and studying under Michel Delon, I've come to the conclusion that the historical Sade is most probably lost to antiquity. Of his writings, I agree with Delon: Sade is a philosopher, and his work is pure natural philosophy and political philosophy. Sade's works are disguised as parodic pornography after the style of Rabelais. His condemnation of the French monarchy, the Revolution, and his warning about the excesses of libertinage are clear. I don't consider Sade a hero, but I do believe his writings are immensely important, especially read on their proper context.
A genius ahead of his time
So, De Sade, was a satirist. That's my takeaway from this...
a great one too
The marquee du sade was a woman, the man they locked up was actually the gimp. 🤣🤣🤣
"The greatest pleasures come from conquered repugnances"
I think he also would love the movie alien when you think alien was the one of the coolest movies this movie is Sprint because a force of nature that can defeat men
The second assumption! He paints the abuses of the power and went to jail
Better whistle-blowers out there.
Sounds like modern day hollywood
In the mid 60s, Grove Press released The Writings of the Marquis de Sade and I bought it and read it. Over the years, I read segments and in 2023, I read it again. Sade was not a good writer. He was quite verbose and I found reading the book boring and tedious. IMO, reading the Marquis is a waste of time and I cannot recommend doing it.
Learn French and try again. The manuscripts for all his writings have finally been bought from the Germans, so you can expect wildly varying new translations soon enough.
I believe he was both.
Libertine
imagine when even Napoleon himself gets horrified upon reading things which has been written by a person😅😅😅
Sado-masochism means never, having to say you're sorry
Just watch the movie: Sound of freedom- nothing new here.
What do I think? I think two things can be true... he was sick as were the "people" he "fictionalized" in his tales.
He had a wife?
He was also tapping his daughter 🤮
No, he wasn't. He carried on with his wife's sister - who, to be fair, he would much rather have married if he'd been free to choose. (It was an arranged marriage.) He actually never met his daughter until she was about 19, and described her as "a hefty farm-wench of a girl, as ugly as she was irredeemably stupid." So no, not a great dad.
@@gummbooteLMAO HAHAHA he was a weird one and disliked children quite a bit.
@@rafaelsalas2012Can you please not lie, he was in prison for most of his children's life.
She also supported him and seemed to love him, although it was an arranged marriage (he was forced to marry her although he was in love with another woman)
With consent, anything goes, without consent STOP!
Monsieur De Sade sounds a bit of a wild one (like me)
He was a sexually deviant psychopath. Is that what you are? See a doctor. Get help before you kill someone, because that was certainly the road he was travelling.
How about, all of the above.