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Springer Vs Gas Ram | Weihrauch HW80 Vs HW90
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- Опубліковано 1 кві 2024
- Time to put the Weihrauch HW80 against the HW90, spring against gas ram.
The wind was quite challenging today even when adjusting the windage to compensate for the blustery conditions.
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HW 80. If you only had one gun this would be a fine choice Bought mine in 89. Never dismantled it. Still perfect accuracy. Lovely bit of kit.
Hello My friend,
I've wanted an HW80 since being twelve years old, and I finally got one when I was in forty-eight, in 2018. Their stocks have recently been greatly improved, though when I bought mine, with respect, they were dull, bland, and not worthy to carry such an iconic action.
After a while considering it, I made my own stock. I stepped back and thought about it and how I wanted it to be. I'm no Minelli, I have hand tools, a black and decker workmate, a kitchen, and a will to succeed.
I laminated my stock using Wanut and Ash and finished it in Linseed Oil.
The style is based on predators, not carbon copy carvings, just suggestions. I was very pleased with how it turned out. While making the gunstock, I had the action tuned. It represents a lot of things to me and is very special.
Hello My friend,
I was shooting from my one man hide at the weekend, after corvids. I'd love to use my HW80k, but there would be too much movement and noise to be successful.
I sit all in position with my pcp, all I have to do is pull the trigger and then re load with the cocking lever. With my 80, I'd have to pull the long air rifle out of position and back again, break the barrel, locate and install another pellet, latch up and turn the safety on, and reposition, all in a tiny hide. It's a no-brainer. The quarry would be long gone. I'd love to use my 80, though.
Just bought a hw80 2004 model It's had a tune and barrel threaded It's fantastic Took it to a large ratting permission just so I could shoot a bit of distance Never got my AA s200 out of car Shot rats all night with the 80 Really enjoying it using RWS suprdomes btw 👍👍
@@ianwoods1384sounds like you need either a HW77K or TX200HC maybe the Diana 54 Air King which is side lever and semi recoiled all 3 guns will out shoot almost any average airgunner and all 3 have their own unique character first two being Carbine undercover don't require too much space and the last yes side lever is a bit different but the semi recoiless action has made it my top springers buy next. I have the original mk1 HW77K and HW90 both incredible but the shorter barrels make them so much more manageable. There are a few alternatives from HW and AA but you get the idea.
I got my HW 80 .22 in the mid 1980s and it was superb using Eley wasp pellets I still have that gun and it still shoots as it did in the 1980s
That's what I like about the Weihrauch springers, they're built to last
Enjoyed that mate, thanks. Had me reaching for my Weihrauch catalogue to compare the differences! 😀👍
Cheers fella, TBH not much, similar weight just the gas ram compared to the spring.
There is one thing I do I have done since the mid 90s that no one has mentioned. I seat each and every pellet using a tool that was sold by Beeman. The tool was just a short steel rod with a ball bearing head to press the skirt of the pellet flush with the chamber opening, squaring it off even.
I have seen pellet seaters but not that common
I remember them, but I never got to buying one 😊
I started out with a can of JSB Exact Diablos 13.73gr, 20 cal in my HW90. It shot so well that I never tried any other pellet. However, I realized a certain hold was the key to extreme accuracy, which did take a lot of practice to confirm. After about 1500 shots now, I'm still shooting the same pellets.
I have found that it's a little more hold sensitive that a springer but not massive when figured out.
JSB is one pellet I've never really played a out with other than the standard 8.44 and 10.34 in .177
I know plenty of different weights and heads and lengths, just too tight to splash the cash on a tin due the price of them 😆
Hw80 because it's a springer. Both of them are excellent anyway. IMO.
The HW80 is a great rifle for sure
HW 80 is a great gun especially the new version with the luxus stock
I need to give this 80 trigger a once over as not as crisp as it should be, that being said, the whole package of weight, recoil and accuracy is just what I like...I just have to keep my end up with the accuracy side of things 😆
Only one gun? Weihrauch HW 95, 80, 98, 97 or 90 gas-ram would do. For myself it would be .22. Air Arms fans may pick what they like. Me, its got be a Weihrauch.
One off the list that's on everyone's tip of the tongue is the 99?
Smaller, full power springer for not a lot of money.
I must admit if I see one near me going I would be tempted to snap it up.
@keith6930 I forgot about the 99 maybe it's the starter tag, but the open sights and price are definitely plus points. I agree with you, it would be a great buy too. When I think of my fantasy collection I have a HW 35k in it but it's a rarer gun these days and would be more expensive. I was looking on the Rat Works site and noticed that the HW 99 is available from them with their tuning package but only in .22.
not being funny but i had a hw90 back in the 90s and it had a gold trigger and was a carbine with a silencer no open sights from the shop brand new (manchester airguns) and was deadly accurate with RWS superdomes even more than my HW80 and HW85 but the 85 was my fave just because it was doing 18fpe really good hunter
I'll have to try some RWS pellets as they seem to work quite well in my other Weihrauchs
I'm not sure on the age of this model despite the number being out into that data base.
From the stock and trigger guard it's an early model
My 95 loved superdomes. I reckon 'cause there an old traditional design, they suit springers/rams.
@@g.m.3285 I agree, i believe the more traditional type or maker of pellets seems to suit the springer barrels?
Interesting comparison 👍🏻
Hopefully the 90 will be better after a service and a top up of the ram to bring the power up a bit.
H&N FTT will be definitely worth a try in both along with the JSB offerings
Great comparison in blustery conditions. Be good to see you test some other pellets.
Me too, got plenty of different .177 but limited at the moment for the .22
Hello My friend,
You have two quality springers there, which are a challenge to shoot accurately, even in calm conditions, never mind windy.
It's always nice to hit the bull with a springer. I'm always thinking of where and how I hold the springer as I'd say, however, you hold one, meaning where on the fore end you place your hand and how tightly you hold the gun overall will I'd say effect your accuracy.
It's annoying not getting tight groups, even though I put much more effort in than with a pcp.
Although pcp's are easier to shoot, they're handier too, with a cocking lever and magazine, meaning you have a quick follow up shot and you're not constantly cocking a barrel to reload pellets individually.
There's a guy here called Dave Ratz. I've never seen anybody shoot an HW80 like he does and the ranges he shoots at. He's a fantastic air rifle shooter all round. Thank you for posting your film.
Thanks for watching.
I really enjoyed shooting when seated and resting the elbows on my knees, this gave me an ideal feel for the balance of where and how to hold the fore end as well as how tight to hold and shoulder.
It's a little different off a bag or rest but still a gentle control with the leading hand always helps
@keith6930
Hello My friend,
Without meaning to overexaggerate, holding the fore end in different places will alter the balance of the gun in the split second function of the recoil.
Also, if you're shooting off a bean bag or any rest, I'd always put the palm of your hand on first, then the fore end on the palm of your hand.
Without meaning to go overboard and ridiculous, if you wore a thin t shirt, then a puffer jacket, that is thought to alter your accuracy as the stock has a different resistance to recoil against.
As I learn and understand what I've read and been told, everything you do on every shot must be exactly the same, or whatever is different will impact your accuracy. This attracts some people as a challenge, though pushes others towards pcp's.
@@ianwoods1384 consistency is everything with shooting a spring air rifle that's for sure. Change the variables and you'll likely get different results. I've enjoyed shooting off hand and with sticks so using a bag all of a sudden felt very odd and strange
@@ianwoods1384I was told to put your fore finger and thumb in the forend screw holes and then open your hand ,this then makes sure your hand is in the same place for every shot
I always put my hand between any surface with a springer. It how I was taught as a boy and I freak out when I see any other practice.
That 80 don't like the Pest control as tumbling as not clean holes had it with .20 rapid 12 MK2 with Crosman Premiers etc used to swirl down range but Target trophy was spot on.
Had em both ,and both will do the job 😉
Thanks, certainly are a nice couple of rifles
Hi I'm a friend of UA-cam
I shoot with a HW90 .177 and .22 on my channel. I think the results of my configuration with the hw90 could interest you 😉 (for 30, 50 and 100 meters)
Well done nice shooting with these 2 rifles ! I hesitated to take the HW80 for my first Weihrauch, it's a good rifle.
Test the JSB Exact Heavy in the HW90 you will be impressed 🙂
Nice vidéo
Plinker
Thanks, it's a great rifle
hw 90`s are simpel to service , Always remove the triggerunit before getting the internals out , or you will damage the gas ram unit and let the air out !!!!!! before , its the same ventil /valve that used in car tire tubes . same tool can be used . in full power 26 bar fill . but in the uk you have to chrony and tap light on the ventil wit a little pin or so to get pulses of air out till its legal .
It looks straight forward, famous last words 😆 I've got the new piston seal on order and seen the o ring kit for it too.
You have to reset the zero for each new pellet. This is because the weight differs. Each gun has a preference for a type of pellet. You can't actually test anything this way.
True, but seeing what pellets to concentrate on. The head shapes and weights are indeed all different but the groupings rather than the POI will give the answers. The problem on this day was it was blowing an absolute gale and trying to shoot outdoors was a little silly
I prefer a springer over a gas ram for me personally ,but seeing as you are shooting 2 weihrauch air rifles I think you are probably good either way,
Cheers from the USA
With Weihrauchs making up pretty much all but one rifles I agreed can't go wrong with the German springer 😂
@@keith6930 I just got the Air arms TX200 carbine today took it out of the box and shot a 1-inch group at 30yds with 18.13gr JSB pellets.
it is the laminate stock new one that has just come out.
Very nice trigger on it.
I plan on doing a comparison video between the Air arms tx200 and weihrauch HW77k and the HW97K since I now own all 3.
should be a fun video to make.
@@BravoBassin very nice collection indeed.
I wouldn't say not to a TX if one came up for the right price, bit too £ for me brand new
@@keith6930 Yes the new ones with the laminate stocks are very pricey for sure.
I struggled with that as well.
But I just said what the hell and went for it.
definitely will be the most expensive air rifle I will own.
Great video thank you 👍
Thanks for watching
Great video. Have you tried the 57 under lever by any chance. All Weihrauch's are great
I haven't unfortunately, they look a nice combo of under lever and the top loading port instead of the sliding breach
@@keith6930 Great handling, almost as good as the 97 but much lighter. My first was the 99 then an older inherited 80 C1988 and a couple of HW30's. All great traditional looking rifles. Love em
@@887Rabbit I know I'm biased as I have loads of them, but Weihrauch do make very good rifles and have a well deserved reputation
Tell you what mate.....really enjoyed that video....just getting back in to air gun hunting,got meself a AA s510 tdr regulated......but was thinking of getting a second gun,as you do lol.....would go for a hw...not sure which model yet....take it hw80 is the springer and hw90 is gas ram....never owned a gas ram,always wanted a theoben....showing me age now(55)lol....but cracking video,thanks
The HW90 is my 1st gas ram so couldn't comment on how this works in cheaper or alternative brands? It's a hell of a rifle that's for sure and is stamped with Theoben on the breech as an early model.
The AA TDR is a looker and not a bad way to start again
I had a 90k in 177 unfortunately I got rid to find a sgc am looking at getting a air rifle again and looking at a gas ram as I don’t really have the space for a pump compressor or bottle but will see
Can't go wrong with a springer or gas ram
@@keith6930 that is true not many springers I like would love to back to pcp but their expensive if I did would look at a stoger xm1 Walter rm8 or t to he ata and I’m not a fan of bulpups
@@ghillie35 probably too much choice as soo many new guns coming out to suit anyone and everyone...at a price as well at times
You need some scales for pellet weighing. Any fairly cheap electronic "drug dealers" ones will do grains.
It is interesting to see the variety from one tin
My 90 is doing the same thing, down on power and very pellet fussy, it will be getting a service and new seals soon, will hopefully sort the accuracy issues out
I've not chrono'd it since I changed the breach seal to see if I gained a few FPS.
I need to pump it up a bit and see if it's holding air completely before giving it a full strip and clean up
@@keith6930 I’m struggling to get the end screw out, keep squirting it with release fluid but the dam thing will not budge, maybe a bit of heat might help, I’ve been too busy with my 80 at the moment, we’ll just finished a nice full length tyrolean stocked one
@@adrianmorris no idea, I've seen a few strip downs but not actually looked at mine yet.
I know the rear comes apart differently to the other Weihrauchs and has a few pins and screws that need to come out in order
Try JSB jumbo rs in 5.52. Every. 22 springer or rammer loves them
I've never really dabbled or tried the JSB .22 yet but I'll certainly give them a go, thanks
I don't know if it's just me but the 90 doesn't sound consistent in it's muzzle report. It maybe me just looking for a fault being an old school hw80 user .
Not sure TBH
When I've chrono it at random times the power seems consistent?
To be fair, that day when I was shooting was properly windy and the mic on the phone is sensitive or amplifies some sound over others?
@keith6930 ah, that makes sense . It's not like an hw too be inconsistent lol .
Hw80 put a titian xs spring in and a PTFE piston washer in then its a rabbit buster 50 meters all day
I've swapped over the barrels to a .25 for a little play.
When the .22 barrel is back on it'll be running with a Vortek PG4 kit. They've been great additions to the other Weihrauchs I've got.
The 80 is a cracking rifle for sure
2 inch groups 😮 oh god
Nice one will you be filming the service?
Even if it's just for my own reference as to what goes where lol
@@keith6930 lol I do the same
Could do with a "Petes " in the south west
Certainly makes a fun day out.
Got my eye on a place in the midlands way but few and far between. All ranges seem to be gun clubs or extortionate prices per hour
@keith6930 I was in HBRA club when shooting full bore ,it was only £75 a year and shoot once every month with no other range fees ,we have a range not to far from me but its £180 a year and then pay on the day on top ,I have got farm land to shoot on ,but a range like petes would be cool ,how much is it to shoot there?
99s for me in .22 👍🏻
Funny you mention the 99...one may be on its way to me. Just don't tell the missus
Well I have to say 25 yards with these rifles hmmmmm😢 legendary stories of these rifles I now find hard to believe, I’ll not be buying one
I made the mistake of zeroing outdoors on a day when the wind was all over the place. I should have left it alone and held off instead.
Pellet wise, I was just testing the Bisley range and probably not best suited compared to others. This certainly shows with the different weights or head shape.
Don't change the gas ram on that 90 - not just yet.
It's gonna be a while but will get the pump 1st and see how well it holds air before stripping completely
These guns are great...Gamo has higher velocity/ HW better quality.
I know Weihrauch comes under fire for a couple of niggles but it's hard to argue the heft, feel and quality when picking one up. They're built to last and perform very well.
Mumbling incoherent at times wind noise
Incoherent mumbling, sounds like me most days.
It was epically windy that day, I need to treat myself to a lapel mic to help reduce the noise