Rachel Dolezal (2014) | Talking about her experience as a "black woman" (part 5)
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- In early 2014, I had the opportunity to interview Rachel Dolezal for my senior thesis. These videos are unedited.
Here is part 5. She is addressing her "mixed identity" and more.
As a black man viewing this clip, I find Rachel bizarre, captivating, and offensive all at the same time. Her story is amazing in every way.
This should have thrown up some red flags. A female professor of Africana studies that had truly lived all of her life as a Black woman would NOT have bumbled her way through an interview like this. At some points, you can clearly tell that she is BSing her way through it.
Exactly! Im embarrassed at the black folks who took her seriously.
I agree.
Derek Womble She was an instructor not a professor-Eastern Washington University distanced itself from Dolezal, saying she’s been hired since 2010 on a “quarter by quarter basis as an instructor in the Africana education program. This is a part-time position to address program needs. Dolezal is not a professor. www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/06/15/academics-weigh-curious-case-rachel-dolezal
I was thinking the same thing
***** I wonder what cushy, high paid position did the good ole boy network give her after they advised her to step down?
Every time she talks abt having "light skinned privileges" she gets this little smirk on her face. Literally in every interview.
It’s called ‘duper’s delight’
Were I one of her students, I would seriously lobby for a tuition refund.
I'm so confused. Wtf is she even saying? I'm so lost...
Angelica Alvarado Injustice does happen. Have you ever been discriminated against for being latino ?
Angelica Alvarado That's what happens when a White chick tries to "simulate" a phonie black-sounding Accent.
Angelica Alvarado talking about how she's so light skin that whites view her as a "safe place" to talk about the racial issues or questions they have about black. She's like a bridge between blacks and whites
Like a bridge over troubled goo.
***** exactly.
Anyone ever talked so much while saying so little?
Got through 8 minutes of this video and still can't figure out what she's talking about. Also, how does a white woman going through domestic violence correlate with the WW's want to touch a black woman's hair? Its actually a little hilarious. I find it hard to believe that story about her son's Geography class was real as well.
She could have made a bigger impact speaking as a white woman acknowledging the struggles of black people but instead has made a mockery of it.
There's not a black woman on the planet that talks the way she does.
I would never Know for the life of me why she couldn't just be herself, and still worked for a cause she stands for.
This lady is not crazy, she is highly educated. Yet she did try to highjack the Black experience. This is one helluva grad project for Howard lmao. She could have been very valuable if she had been true to herself and the world, instead of going to these lengths to embed herself into Black culture. She has integrity, moral and ethical issues----all of which are assumptions the world already makes about Black folks. She may have done great things but now she is a parody on SNL.
She literally made no sense throughout this entire video.
She has "Light skin privilege"....lmao
ClutchFan1971 lol
She has no idea about the 'Black experience'. It doesn't matter how many people she fooled and for how long, she will NEVER understand the black experience for one reason mainly and that is......SHE CAN CHANGE HER MIND!
Whenever she wants, whenever the 'struggle' gets too hard or too much or too inconvenient, she can simply stop, get rid of the tan and take off the extensions. She can 'opt out' and that is why she will never understand.
She will always be genetically white, will always produce at least Half white children and will always ALWAYS have to fake it. All it takes is and year of no tans, fake or otherwise and no perms extentions and and the real her will come out.
This is an extreme case of cultural and RACIAL appropriation.
She needs some serious mental help.
***** She's actually kinda hot.....too bad she's batshit crazy.
"I am very Afro-Centric" lol
A woman who lies about her race, claims that some black man is her father, claims her brother is her son, claims she was born in a tepee, writes racist hate mail and then mails them to herself... Yeah, She sounds like a stable person.
How could they not tell she was just a white woman with a tan
Thank you.
2pacexpert To be fair, I think she could pull off mixed race with that tan, but she's the lightest 'black' person i've ever seen.
KillAllTheFriends not really look at Beyonce, Vin diesel, Paula Patton Derek jeter they are mixed afroamerican people only in the USA we see ignorance of cultures because the red people
I have no idea what that comment actually says, so I can't respond to it.
+aileen lofgren Beyonce looks black, but i agree with the others.
She doesn't sound like a "black woman" here in the US. She sounds like a educated/informed white woman from the US.
How dare she insult, among the rest of the world, her son's teacher saying that she (the teacher) might not know how to correctly pronounce "Nigeria"?
Second, when she tells her little stories, mostly regarding her children, she is quite unconvincing.
I'm good at spotting fabrication, and this woman is lying about both the little things and the big things.
There is 5 parts to this???? Her explanation is longer than the Star Wars saga.
I don't know about y'all but every time I watch an interview with her, which is not often given it's a waste of time, she seems like the most unfocused, bizarre and evasive individual. The university where she was teaching let her go, but still have flyers up of her lecture series. This is just bizarre. I would have so called her out!!!
I see her gloating about how she has "light privilege". What a mess.
metallitech Not just gloating, but also even having the audacity to say that because of that she is a " bridge" between what, white and darker black? like what, if you're a white racist, she can ease you into the dark? Oh, and that's a special burden too. She's way, way too much . . .. . It must be so damn hard to be Rachel, nobody understands her.
Surely this is the product of 1000+ words being individually and randomly picked from a tombola, and then fed into an old amstrad computer with a painfully bad text to speech programme that strings the words together
3:45 A white woman who experiencing domestic violence wants to touch her hair what is she babbling on about.
She has an amazing talent to fabricate on the fly.
I do not know how people can continue to defend her after seeing this. The crazy runs deep here. You should have interviewed her again instead of Matt Lauer on the Today show. Thanks for uploading..
Listening to her talk is like listening to someone talking Newspeak. All the catchwords and phrases are there. This girl needs some big time mental help.
Kinda funny how she says you can't ignore the other sides of your self yet she ignores the fact that she was born a blonde white woman. I have been asked so many times if I am mixed because of my hair and when I tan I am darker but I'm white not mixed or mexican or anything else. I would never lie or just because someone thinks. I was asked by my teacher in high school if I was mixed I said no I'm white no mind you my teacher was black. She then asked me if my dad was black or my mom lol I told her no both parents are white. I been asked if I was mexican and when I was dating one guy even told me he wanted to take me out because I'm mexican lol I was like but I'm not lol. I don't get that so much any longer but I did alot in the past. I just don't get how she thinks it okay to mislead people into thinking she is mixed or black or what ever just be honest. You are white and both parents are white. Come on lady I don't see how the black community would like a white woman telling people she is mixed or light skinned lol which would make people asume she is mixed. She has lied on paper work why I don't know but I find this rather funny and kinda bothersome that no one has called ger out sooner. You can still be a part of what you belive just be honest about who you are.
So the question is....when people tried to touch her hair and asked "is it real?", were they being inappropriate or making a shrewd observation?
As a cis-racial mixed black man, I can say I fully support the trans-racial community. Stop the hate bigots!
Are you cis-racial?
*****
Brandon Lyons YOU ARE A CLASSIC MORON
Stop the nonsense, there is no such thing as trans racial. If you're born white you don't suddenly change to black n sprout an afro, it's not some spontaneous effect that occurs from being around people of a different ethnicity. The fact people actually buy into this shit, is frying my brain
What is cis-racial?
***** why does there need to be a word for that? Everyone is the race they were born? It's not like you can change your genes? A spray tan certainly won't do that?
Hmm? Seems a little pretentious?
Who would EVER believe this woman again? she's sitting there in la la land lies!
She sounds very uninteresting to listen to. I can't make it through this entire interview.
With every interview she does, I get the feeling that this lady is mentally ill! Her rhetoric makes absolutely no sense to me! Why would you try and mimic the reality of black woman who are economically and socially at a disadvantage, and who've had real experiences with discrimination, biases and racism? Some of her fake issues have been real issues for me. Black (divorced, single mom of 7 kids), trying to find decent housing, decent employment, all while trying to get myself and my children educated.
Everyone goes through these situations if they struggle financially , Black people offer a sense of community and purpose for someone as privileged as her ,who had a good family and good education .
The 7 kids ..that’s on you . Should’ve used contraception
Do you realize this is literally the plot of "Soul Man", a 1980's movie where the white kid ( C. Tomas Howell) steals the identity of a black person for scholarship purposes so he can go to Harvard? Lame.
Terrible terrible lying
" I can play different roles at that process, that are helpful at that moment" Rachel Dolezal
" I'm used to making enemies for being honest".....what utter bullshit!! She's is pathologically unwell
This is the wildest shit I have ever seen in my young life. Honestly give this woman the EGOT- this is literally next level performance art.
She says she wants to create opportunities for blacks. She omitted on purpose though that she is reserving some of them for her white self. And then when she is revealed to be not black, she displays to the world an act of complete confusion on why everyone is disgusted by her conduct. This woman belongs in politics. She is an absolutely untrustworthy person who creates fake news, speaks at length but not in detail enough to take accountability on anything, and carries zero integrity behind anything she says. She blabs, says nothing, you listen, and she expects a paid position in society for that. She is born for politics. A complete natural.
cant judge her, but i am curious to know at what exact moment in her life did she decide this is what it was....was it a song? was it some kind of culture shock? did she run across a pimp? idk, but i would love to hear exactly what triggered this.
For an educated scam artist she sure can ramble.
Domestic violence white woman on the path of healing want to touch my hair. What does that even mean?
the whole rachel dolezal incident is prolly most hilarious thing of the whole decade xd
We should support Rachel. She is who she is. A black beautiful African American
I am so impressed that there are 5 parts. Wow.
How awful it must be to do your senior thesis on this person only to find out she LIED about it all!
She is what you call a good ol' fashioned PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. Scariest type of person to be around.
Holy shit this lady is delusional. Wtf is she even talking about??? She said something to the effect that no one should ever ask to touch a black woman's hair but it might be ok for a white woman who is on an emotional recovery after being in an abusive relationship to ask to touch a black woman's hair... WTF?! I also can't believe the part where she talked about white kids bothering her son at school.. and she said she would have to go have a talk with the white teacher to invent language to have a "white to white talk" with the kid's parents. She clearly doesn't realize that would be creating another problem. The teacher should just do what's right and make sure the kids stop harassing her son.
She puts bi-racial and light skinned people 10 steps back.
At 12:00 she basically said it all right there. She becomes whatever is convenient at the moment. Crazy.
After seeing this interview I feel like we got the answers though. And she openly say that people don't really know who she is, but she identify with being black from she was in kindergarden. Seems like she is living HER truth and she seems like a well educated women.
Bitch where? Cause she used some big words? Nothing she said even made sense smh
ok after watching other interviews I'm confused.. she needs to do a better interview than the one on the todays show.
I wonder if the interviewer had a migraine after this twilight zone conversation. She is talking but what is she saying. It's just words... groups of words... nothing connecting except that she's delusional
Now the public is aware of the truth surrounding RD's ethnicity, it seems more apparent in interviews she's not fully honest.
I've watched a couple now, and she uses "um" and "you know" a bit excessively.
I'm actually confused at some of her points because of her round about way of speaking.
She's an interesting woman and this is interesting news; I just feel sad for any potential cognitive disorders she may have.
This is pure speculation: but perhaps due to heavy corporal punishment/other abuses in childhood, she's sought a new identity.
Years ago I went to Salem MA, which happened to be on Halloween. I overheard crazy spiritualists and witches debate their views on ghost world. This beats that. This is the most nonsense I've ever heard.
Better than Scientology lol
+Marlene Paulino Yes. lol
She's irritating me the way she talks like she knows she's not black she's probably thinking I'm not black If you love the black culture participate but don't disown who you are your identity who you truly are be proud
The interviewer is wrong to do this, all you're doing is feeding her delusion and her pathological lies.
She's "made so many enemies for being honest." I don't know whether to hate this woman or pity her. It's time to call Dr. Phil.
@sneezepal and low and be hold she was on dr phil to promote her book and he too called her a fraud too
I think there are a lot of more people doing this bullshit than we think.
the more I hear from her, the more I like her. At first I was like "what kind of craziness is this!" But it's hard to dismiss someone who is so down for the cause. I still have so many questions though
I figured out why she suddenly prefers indoor Interviews. The sun doesn't lie
I have no doubts that she is passionate about her cause however, the manner in which she went about everything was not the best option. She clearly has identity issues and so do a lot of other people. There is nothing wrong with admitting you are blonde hair blue eyed white woman who strongly identifies with the African American community and wants to be apart of civil right movement. I can't think of anyone who would have had a problem with that but this is taken to another level and it's not acceptable .
Lol. Is your hair real all of a sudden becomes a more interesting question.
Touch my hair? Dear God. She doesn't have sense enough to be embarrassed! I don't believe she needed to try to become an imposter to be effective in the NAACP. To say she has to be African American to do so is just not true. I've participated in many activities for the NAACP while enjoying great friendships and fruitfulness. What I have NEVER done, or even had the slightest notion of doing, is lay in a tanning bed, put on an afro wig and start claiming to be black. It would be stupid to do so. And I think it would be insulting to my black friends and family members to do so.
I don't even think she knows what she's saying... u can tell but the way her voice lowers and trails off at the end of whatever "point" she's trying to make.
So a primary school student mis-pronounces a word and Rachel uses it as an example of how that "would never have occurred to me". Well, I should fucking hope not Rachel, your a 37 year old woman who shouldn't look for applause for knowing how to pronounce Nigeria.
if people accept Caitlyn why don't they accept her?
Does anybody know when this was filmed? was it before her getting exposed.
Who cares if she is claiming to be black. people tend to identify with different cultures, religious groups,social clubs etc. So as to feel like you belong or have a purpose in/life.
It's not about her identifying as black. Did you even watch the video? She's a liar and credibility is shot to hell. She's talking about experiences she's made up, heard through the grapevine, or just plain saw on TV. She's not black, everything she says in this video about being a black woman is a lie.
tybe4 its different if you like rap and have AA friends. But if you darken your skin, wear a ridiculous curly wig, and claim you are of African race, you have issues.
tybe4 Dhere are areas of every city where fake-claiming gang affiliation could get you killed.
Tha saddest thing about this was she needed tha attention so deeply it was almost nearly a version of ethnic Munchasen Syndrome. There are many a fake former ex-CIA agents telling tales in bars and people claiming Native American ancestry as there are hairs on her head. If she hadn't needed the spotlight in a way, no one would of cared and many Americans grew up in blended ethnicity that they can claim both worlds. The case for trans ethnic identity isn't new, it has often religous and cultural components that are found through out history. If Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner came out as a transgendered African American Woman would we have been as welcoming or of been ridiculed.Had Dolezal always presented herself as having trans ethnic identity from the start maybe we'd pause and think how much culture is nearly as equal as ethnicity in who we identify ourselves as.
I feel bad for her. I really do.
I love this woman I leave her the fuck alone!! She's pretty too!
This is disgusting.
Impressive deception... Now do Chinese lady!!!! Annnnnd GO
I can be black for just 29.95 a month, un limiting tanning at salon, sweet!
black isn't a costume
black isn't a costume
black isn't a costume
I do not believe her little story about a white kid telling her kid that if he (assuming she meant her son) becomes famous, that the other kid will "assassinate" him.
As she speaks this story, it's clear that she is lying.
She speaks about her son's and herself, but not her husband. What happened to him?
To all the haters. Just let her be black. If you can men be gay knowing every man is suppose to straight, and let Bruce Jenner be Caitlyn,Let Priest molest children, and let eminem act black, then you can certainly let her do her thang.
Finally, the definition of "cray"
What the hell did she just say? I'm confused 0_o
this video feels like some type of improvisation
She's talking but not saying anything.
I can't believe people hate her. She is a person who is completely comfortable with race. Which is a trait of intelligence. There needs to be more people in the world like her.
It is known that females (women) have special, intuitive senses and are able to feel or see beyond the norm. Rachel's inner being told her she was different.
Bruce explained it very well: He always felt he was other than what he seemed.
Sometimes what is in us is too powerful to hold inside of us.
How did she teach Africana Studies at EWU when her degree is in Fine Arts?
Let's get past the whole "She Not Black" ting for a sec and just think... If that kid hadn't shot up the church I'd think she was making all this up!!
Look at all the people that are once skinny and now they are claiming to be "Trans-Fat"!
I feel like she made up the racist stories about her son
I don't have a problem with her wanting to identify and "appropriate" blackness but on the same token I don't have a problem with people questiong her or her parents speaking out. I like her and empathize with her. I wish her the best moving forward. I'm curious if having light eyes was a motivating factor. I love light eyes with dark/black complexions. If Rachel Dolezal had brown eyes, she might have observed herself as (cute but) average looking and might not have taken any such curiosities to fruition but with light eyes, I could see her standing out more and garnering more "approving" attention. Also, could light eyes have made her more accessible/approachable to people from "both sides" and did she feed off that to some extent?
(Insert Tropic Thunder's Blackface here)
She's said I'm afrocentric😅
shes not even saying anything coherent, just a bunch of ramble segued onto more ramble.....its so bizarre. the only black experience she has is, by proxy, her actual black sons actual black experience.which is sad.
here is a human being and from what i have come to know about her from working beside her and speaking with her she is a really nice warm and loving person if she feels in here soul our culture let her be who she feels how many of you fight for the rights of others and put yourself out there stop hating and start looking behind the camera and the real story some of you are easily led off the cliff Rachel I got your back
But honey........you're white
O.o her experience as a BLACKFACE wearing white woman. Isnt wearing black face considered racist!? The irony of that,working for naacp wearing a black face.
I think she just felt more comfortable as a black women. She related to black women. Hell, frankly, I think she did look better as a black women. I think it's ok. She is doing great things for the black community which is more than what a lot of actual black people are doing. She could be just another white woman in her own white privileged world not giving a damn about black people or their struggles. It's funny to me that if she had been seen as a white woman.. None of these black people would have respected or liked her as well.. CLEARLY. So who is in the wrong? Her pretending to be black to help the black community and be accepted or the black community for feeling like they were fooled because they know they would not have accepted her if she had been white. Just shows that white people aren't the only ones that see color and change their feelings based on color. Am I the only one that feels let down?It has truly changed my views on white privilege and racism, I will never judge a white person for making a judgment based on color any longer because I now see that it's exactly what black people do too. I am the one that has been fooled. I'm just let down by what some people are saying about this woman.
You're ignorant. She didn't relate to black women. A privileged white woman can NEVER understand what it is to be a black woman, even with kinky hair and tan skin. She can take the makeup off and be white again if she wants. We live as black people day in and day out. She wasn't even black, she was tan-skinned and blue eyed. And for you to say she wouldn't have been accepted is a lie. There are many white women and white men who have done thing for the cause and have been accepted. We don't tend to reject people, seeing as how we know what it's like to be rejected.
Never really heard of her but have people always thought she was actually black?
No
How in the Sam hell did this woman become an educator? She is spewing pure nonsensical garbage. Does all this mess make sense in her head? It must be depressing to be her. I'm 2 years younger than her and I feel that at this age I am becoming more authentically me, and that sense just increases in time...yet she is going backwards with this identity crises and pathological lies. I'd bet real money this woman has several mental illnesses. I'd kind of understand this sort of behavior coming from a troubled teen more than a grown ass woman and mother.
have you seen her art though?.. it's fantastic.. she should become a rapper now.. milk that 15 minutes for a few years..