The Tanakh has so many commandments, rules, and proscriptions that everyone who ascribes to it is regularly sinning one way or another. It's interesting how religious fundies obsess over other people's sins while ignoring their own. Anyone who dismisses what I say either has never met fundies or is being dishonest. I've been around a lot of fundies in my life. Even the social science research shows fundamentalist behavior. If you lack this knowledge, feel free to learn something new or don't. Why am I rebuking ignorance, obtuseness, or dishonesty? Because I'm opposed to such things. If I likewise expressed ignorance, obtuseness, or dishonesty, I'd rebuke myself. But because that opposes my values, I do my best to avoide such problematic behavior. It would be dishonest to claim I do the same.
You're very wrong. They obsess about their own sins and confess they every morning and every night even those who never or hardly ever sin so they're constantly thinking about guarding from sin and want to guard others as well. It bothers them to know their neighbors are sinning. Those who don't care about their neighbors it doesn't bother them and then lasseiz faire.
I'd like to see the study on which you are basing this highly generalized observation of yours. I've lived in various observant communities for 35 years and don't recall anyone ever asking me about any of my sins, let alone obsessing over them ! BTW, I think the word you meant is "subscribes," not "ascribes." Feel free to call me a pedant!
We either believe or we don't. One thing I have realised in my 70 years is that humans are inherently bad at behaving well toward each other and why we need guidence.
Nice presentation But what isnt answered is the important question: "Why is homosexuality supposed to be a SIN?" the answer was "I dont know." It is NO offer for a young gay or lesbian , to leave his or her beloved partner and life in celibacy. It is NO offer for a homosexual person to marry a oposide sex person and make the other person and himself unhappy, frustratred till developing domestical violence. And all that just for a morality that nobody can say why and what for it even exist.
Exactly. Listening to this makes steam come out of my ears. These rabbis talk like they no better and then they do things that are soo soo wrong. I went to bais Yaakov and witnessed it with my own eyes. Disgusting
To paraphrase What the Rabbi is saying; Regardless of whether it’s considered natural or not, God in his infinite WISDOM deems it a sin simply because He knows the long-term results/consequences of such actions and humanity can not see that far ahead...
There are so many things that are sinful, & I couldn’t understand why God would forbid them or make them sins because those things seemed not to hurt anyone. Here I am middle-aged & Wedtern culture has gone to crap, & I completely understand now why those things are sinful. Now I regret the arrogance of my youth, thinking I knew better than God.
Homosexuals are fine, just the way they are, the way G-d created them. There have always been observant Jews who are homosexual, and there always will be.
God didn't create them, satan did. Once you get to know a homosexual he will confide in you that some older guy molested him when he was young. At first they will always say no, but once they trust you they will tell you the truth. Once that happens, it's very hard for them to have a normal life, satan has stolen that from them.
@@yitzkhakkaufman3264One who wants to break Shabbat and doesn’t is fine. A man who wants to have intercourse with another man and doesn’t is also fine.
I heard someone talk about a transparent translation as concerns homosexuality. It traced the common passages used to condemn gay people from Hebrew, to Aramaic, to Greek, to English. There were amazing changes especially when choosing Greek instead of staying in the Hebrew.
I don’t understand the thinking behind the statement “I don’t know why it’s a sin.” Especially from someone who understands the value of family in the context of religious practice. For two people of opposite genders to be together for life is the most challenging relationship on the earth. The challenge is designed by HaShem. There is nothing on this earth that encourages more growth and maturity than choosing to spend your life with someone so absolutely different than you. We simply miss the mark when we choose to spend our lives with someone because it’s easier. What could be easier than two people with the exact same make up spending intimate time with one another? It is a sun because it is the easier path.
It's up to you as an individual to attempt to rationalize G-d's law, if you wish. Most faithful Jews just say because that's what G-d intended or wanted or said so. Just like he said one shall not Judge. We are all sinful, but G-d wants us to be better. A homosexual who does more mitzvahs than a straight murderer or rapist would be closesr to G-d and have a higher standing.
Same sex and who we are brought up with is more familiar as children. Boys often only identify with other boys. So as an adult one knows what is pleasurable in someone of the same sex. If sex is a game, then people can play it any which way. My Father used me for his sexual pleasure because my Mom hated his abusive behavior and wouldn't be near him. I needed his love and intimacy, but not adult intimacy. The process of development as a boy was spoiled by this and confused me when puberty began age 10. My confusion was perpetuated by father's family and psychiatrists one side telling me to act on my same sex attraction and religious christians friends and some others from my father's family warned me not to act on them. Christianity polarized the problem. So one could say christianity and other religions are more natural. Years after I discovered my Mom was Jewish, I began to investigate Torah for real, and abandon christian perversion of Torah. It is also a problem in the Torah world, where people cut off their heart from their head knowledge. So I also became a problem in that world for exposing abuse there as well, which is just as covered up as in the cristian and secular world. Secular world covers it up with lgbtqqaatkip+ political mentality. A 2nd P is being added to include paedophilia as a sexuality. So incest may be more natural, but it does harm a child because a child needs safe intimacy not adult sexual intimacy. As an adult one can choose to sexualize a relationship with any other adult, and let it screw one's psyche. Baruch Hashem better late than never I am beginning to experience feelings I should have been able to be safe to feel as a toddler, young boy, teenager and young man. It is frustrating to be in my 50s to begin to grow out of just same sex attraction of pre puberty to feel male enough to think my attraction to women can lead to a healthy relationship and sexual intimacy, and address how unnatural or intrusive it appears to have intercourse where urine comes out, almost as intrusive as where faeces comes out.
Sending you a big sister hug🦋…I started enjoying nature and dancing like a little girl to gain back some childhood….then I pretended I went to college @Vandi for my 50 th to heal what was stolen from me. Healing is heavenly 🦋🥰🌈🌹
I’m so sorry; no child should suffer through such horrors. Maybe you can join with other adult survivors & help society learn to protect children from such evil. I think we desperately need adults who were victims to fix the system & educate the rest of us on how to protect children without making them terrified of the world. Sending hugs, love, & prayers to you.
@@southbug27 in order to help ourselves we must have family that shut us down due to not embarrass the family. It sucks….I just didn’t do it to my kids and I see how healthy children are possible 🥰
He’s homosexual also, of course he’s going to rationalize homosexuality. No normal man, or rabbi, would approve homosexuality, unless they, were in fact, homosexual.
Male mallard ducks have an exceptionally high rate of homosexuality, as high as 19%. Black swans have an even higher rate, around 25%, and male pairs will steal eggs from females to raise them themselves. Two male griffon vultures at the Jerusalem Biblical Zoo were observed having “enthusiastic” sex, and raised a chick together when provided with an egg. Both male and female American bison have been observed engaging in homosexual behavior, over 20 species of bat are known to form same sex pairs, and bonobos as a species are inherently bisexual. Homosexuality has also been observed in penguins, lions, elephants, giraffes, dolphins, sheep, hyenas, lizards, and turtles, and that's not even a comprehensive list. So, maybe get back to me when you have a question not based on a false premise. Nature correct or anything?
Adam and Eve where not the only people on the planet. Because: When Cain killed Abel, he became a fugitive and he said to God, "I must hide from you and be a wanderer over the earth, Why, whoever comes across me will kill me." And, God gave him a mark so he would not be struck down by others who came across him. Gen:4 vs 14&15. Am I misinformed that 'whoever and others" does not mean other people besides Adam, Eve and Cain? Appreciate a response.
I believe Adam and Eve were the first ones who obtained the ability to judge. The first thing they did was judge their nakedness, which they had to cover with fig leaves. I’m other words, they were the first humans who doubted God when they gained an awareness of themselves and their surroundings.
@@andreegross Disagree. Cain and Abel are first mentioned as children of Adam and Eve. If they had other children besides them, they would have been named first. "Whoever" and "Others" denote people besides themselves and many. And, the ability 'to kill' them is generally associated with adults not children. This doesn't make me doubt scripture, in fact it increases my belief, primarily because of these hidden mysteries.
What he's alluding to is that it's natural to seek pleasure, but the torah gives morals to guide us toward a meaninful life. But he had to send you through mental gymnastics to the point where the point was lost.
I was in Jerusalem about three years ago. I was by myself. By chance, I got into a conversation with a young pretty woman in a store. She told me with pride that she's gay. I was wearing a kippah. I talked to her about the type of life she chose and she listened to me. I concluded by telling her, "I'm not chastising you for what you're doing. But look at a woman who's been gay for most of her life. A woman who is in her late forties. Look at where she is. Because that very well may be where you will be in 25 years." She thought about what I told her for a moment and actually thanked me.
so the woman in her late 40's was an old butch lesbian or was she single and looking lonely with no offspring? they dont always have to be gay to be childless,
Being homosexual i not a choice.What you told her was either mean or an act based on ignorance. I know a lesbian couple who have been together many years and have two daughters.
What i understood from what he's saying is when God say's a thing is bad then it is bad, don't look for readons to convince yourself before agreeing to it or promoting it , it's all about obedience to God's instructions.
But GD himself did not say it's bad. It was written as such in a translation of a translation. The #1 thing we can do as Jews and as children of Hashim is to question everything, you can not build faith on blind following, you can't build a relationship on ignorance. A proper jew must strive to understand what it is that Hashim is asking of us and why he is asking that. Hebrew is a dead language, what we have now is a reconstruction based of a translation of a translation of a translation. It is not to be taken as the true word of GD.
is he smart? what is smart? is he right ? if so how do you know? how does he know the exact truth or do we humans just reason to the best of our limited knowledge and perception of who we are and how we got here! we never seen Adam and eve is it truth ? what is truth? What is God? is she he or it real? And how do we know for sure 🤷🏽♂️ not trying to be pessimist or a mean spirited dude this is just reasonable questions, why act like somethings a matter of fact and we never even seen it or even know that it exist sounds crazy really doesn’t it
@@sambell385 Have u ever seen your great great great grandmother? I have never seen her, how do I know she ever existed? How do I know YOU existed u could be an AI. Exactly my point 😏😩
@@pirateshadesproductions Knowing who your great great grandparents were is much different than talking about a supreme God The creator of all things and all of the stories and antics in the Bible, i’m just saying there’s a whole bunch of Guesstimation. Mysticism and mythology about where things came from or how things got started ,we can say it seems like it came from intelligent design that’s pretty logical , but exactly what that is we have no clue , I’m just saying humans need to quit acting like they know stuff they really don’t then they called it a fact, seems like logical reasoning to me ,we all would like to know but we don’t just keeping it real, most everybody in America Growed up in the church and live through various types of religious teaching, but it boils down to faith hope and belief and none of that = fact
They used to do that. Left was considered to be “sinister” and of the devil, so being left handed was also considered to be of the devil and they would force people to use the right hand. Now we understand it’s completely natural and not evil. I hope someday we can understand other natural things aren’t evil either.
@@stellaxingguang We have "evolved" over time in many ways. It's not taken seriously anymore, but the Bible has a verse that says "Women are to remain silent in the churches". Google it.
@@stellaxingguangManis is not saying its evil. Thats the christian and muslim view, which Judaism has integrated as part of assimilation. It is between us and our Creator to follow His Instructions as we are able, not forced by others. Manis says it is more natural to stay with own sex. People who are intimate sexually with own sex and marry own sex say same. We know our gender's "buttons" more than the opposite sex.
Great teaching. I feel even secular science and studies are finding out that when people practice things forbidden in the Torah, it has a negative affect on our bodies and souls. I agree, first off, it is sin and we must fear G-d, love Him and obey. But how amazing Hashem is to help guide us not just because He have 'given the orders' but because Hashem loves us and wants the best for us. Thank you Rabbi for your wonderful teachings and faithfulness.
As a Karaite Jew I read the Torah. I read Deuteronomy for what it says. Moses says clearly over 50 times not to add anything to it or subtract. Deuteronomy doesn't say anything about homosexuality but does about other things. Are we to believe that God forgot? Then why believe any of it? God is clear that Deuteronomy is the law.
@@DrKaiiNo. It Deuteronomy replaced it. One cannot observe Deuteronomy and Leviticus at the same time because Deuteronomy says over 50 times not to add or subtract from Deuteronomy.
I read a science paper about fish with fins and scales. They found that the fish with fins and scales are the most recent in the history of evolution in the ocean and that the they have a more sophisticated digestive system that filters toxins from their body unlike other types of fish, which makes their flesh cleaner to eat.
Did you guys catch that? "What if they prove it doesn't mess her up" why did he say her when at first he just mentioned a child. It wouldn't surprise me that is was a slip up. 😯😳
The risk is there with incest. You may not get burned playing with matches, you may not fly out through the windshield from not wearing a seatbelt. These things are still wrong.
the reason it is forbidden is not because it can be dangerous, wrong, immoral, or unnatural. the reason it is forbidden is because god told us not to do it.
So gos said so.. ah the dogma.. without thinking why.. like saying the trinity is the truth.. because this is what God says.. one can state! same sex does not harm anyone actually, you just need common sense. There are still people suffering because their families forced them to get married.. this is nonsense.
He is changing the very meaning of the word natural in order to suit his purpose this does not in any way answer the question but redefines commonly used words and confuses people
I feel 'natural' man is the Fallen state of man after the first sin. It is not the original holy perfect state Hashem intended for us. Natural man is at enmity with G-d. That is why we need Hashem and the Torah to guide us.
Sit in a yeshiva for a couple a years and you will start to comprehend, natural in the context of what RMF is to ask, is it less challenging, less unknown, more likely to succeed
thank you really much! it was exactly the lesson that I needed now. yesterday one girl asked me for a relationship (I'm girl, too). I knew that scientifically we all have inside us some present of gay and not gay. and for all my life I allowed myself to have feelings to both man and woman. but last days I decided to be right Jew (I'm doing my first steps in Judaism) and not to have relationship with women. but after she asked me for relationship, i ask myself a question "is it natural to have relationship like that?" and from my insides I had an answer "yes". from that moment till now I wasn't understanding why then shouldn't I have a gay relationship. and here it is. now I know the answer! thank you really much, again! 🙏❤
Yes. And it is more than easy to do just that, if you cultivate celibacy. You can also see homosexuality as your entire development in adulthood having been arrested psychologically in childhood. You are stuck in childhood with a playmate. You think you are five years old. It's sad.
leviticus on this topic only mentioned nonconsentual relations in a woman's bed between the man and male, and it had nothing to do with consentual relations in their own bed. Also no mention of condemnation of lesbians in old testament.
@Nola-2000 because men wanted to own women! They were property in the Middle east like they still are treated today. Apostle Paul condemned the lesbian lust rituals in the pagan contexts of shrine prostitution mainly since he first mentioned idolatry in that chapter in ROmans 1.
@Nola-2000 because men wanted to own women! They were property in the Middle east like they still are treated today. Apostle Paul condemned the lesbian lust rituals in the pagan contexts of shrine prostitution mainly since he first mentioned idolatry in that chapter in ROmans 1.
I am shocked by what the rabbi is preaching here. So, murder is only a sin because God says so? He were were right if we were animals but we are created after God's image and we are able to understand the moral law. How can you compare sodomy with eating pork? Having sex with my brother is more natural than with my wife?? So, i would say to learn what is normal, look at your parents, are they your father and your uncle or you came from two women? One could argue in our fallen state sin is natural but still we are created after God's image that's why we are held accountable for our deeds. This also how rabbi Paul writes in his first letter to the Romans.
great point, but the atheist would rebute it by simply claiming that the Bible did not come from God, but well intentioned but misinformed individuals. What would you respond to that? Would like to know, thank you!
Sin is our natural as human beings because we were born into sin and shape in iniquity. So God had to tell us what is morally right or we would continue in our natural sin life.
It makes absolute sense. Would you accept p*dophilia? Why/why not? There’s no reason to reject it other than commandments. One can make arguments in favor of it, which actually there’s a group of people these days making arguments in favor of p*do philia; nothing can stop them from it if we accept sexual sins as normal. Same for *ncest and others.
Also it would be natural for us to eat whatever food we can eat.. Yet we are given dietary commandments. A big misconception is that these guidelines are for health (which I'm glad you mentioned this misconception)
I believe what the rabbi is saying is that the only reason anything is forbidden is because god said so. whether or not its natural or unnatural, moral or immoral, something could be the most immoral thing in the world but if god commands us to do it we must do it, and vice versa. because with our biased minds we can come up with a moral reason for doing anything (as we see very clearly these days) so the only reason homosexuality is forbidden is because it is a sin. and it is a sin because god said so.
I mean this is just nonsense . The Torah clearly refers to sin as "evil" (Deuteronomy 30:15). How can Manis Friedman overly deny this (2:48) ? Eating ham is, by the Torah's definition, an evil. Ergo, its horrible.
Sin means to miss the mark… It’s an archery term So you’re shooting your arrow But not hitting godly center I’m not defending this guy tho Because I think they have old minded thinking forsure 👴
I think when Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden that God created more humans on the other side of earth. I don’t think that Abel was married but, I know that Cain was. Cain got kicked out the area of where his parents were and was a vagabond on the earth after he killed Abel. He then found a wife. It doesn’t make sense that he would have married his sister. It really doesn’t state in the Bible about Cain marrying his sister and doesn’t say that God made other people but, it makes more sense.
"One day someone is going to come along and PROVE that homosexuality is natural. Then what are you going to say?" (10:05). It's already been tried. Some biologists saw male ducks chasing each other and mating. Their findings were published saying: "Homosexuality is not unnatural. Within the animal kingdom, it's everywhere". With that observation, all 'Biblical' arguments seem to have been dismissed. But are they?
I love the rabbis videos but I think he tied himself up in knots a bit here and confused things. God exists, but when we step down to religions things start getting confused. All think they are right and there’s many differences even within Judaism. Speak to God directly and you will be guided if you have faith and trust.
So if it is OK to be gay why did Hashem destroy Sodom and Gomorrah then the Angels went in to get Lot out with his family Hashem made Adam and Eve not man to go with Man or woman to go with woman explain that please
This Rabbi says he does not want a God that serves him, but the one and most incredible special way God serves us all is by loving us. So if you want to serve a God that does not serve us, such as love, " he loves us. Then he must worship the opposite the darkness, the blindness of the world. I pray for this R😢abbi that he finds the true light" that a dream may come to him. And open up his blind mind^eyes🎉 my opinion only.
Another curiosity for me; how is it a sin to have an affair while married, yet throughout the bible there are children of Israel born outside of marriage? Even unto may wives and concubines? Just wondering
My understanding although it could be mistaken all that you mentioned took place before Moses received the complete “commandments” all 614 before that there were only the Seven Noahide Laws that applied to all peoples .
Seems to me polygamy was well practiced into the 11th century when it was banned, but even after that many Jews still took more than one wife @@classygary
I am afraid that the biblical theory of sexuality, given the bronze age in which it was conceived, did not have the language or science to contemplate the ethiology of homosexuality. The fact that the Tanach equates HS to "an abomination" betrays its human source.
Unless you are homosexual, you won't understand that homosexuality is not a choice. Rabbi is talking as if we can choose it, as simply as choosing a footbal team. I would have chosen to be hetero if only I could. But I cannot. Why? Because to me, it is NATURAL to be repulsed by male genitals. We often talk about homosexuality as an attraction to same sex, but that is not fully correct. Homosexuality can also mean being repulsed by the opposite sex, and there is nothing one can do to change it. Arguably, one could force themselves, but is that life? Forcing one self into something that is unnatural and unsustainable? Be real here, whomever would do that. There wouldn't anything holy in living a life like that. We might not be rejected, as Rabbi says, but we are left out in many other ways and I explain why: adultery is a sin too, as Rabbi says, however adultery (as long as it's hetero) is more accepted than homosexuality, and Rabbi knows it. Everyone knows it. An man that cheated on his wife with another woman, may get divorce and re marry and still be kosher. Adultery is a temporary sin. Homosexuality, something that unlike adultery is NOT a choice, is a life-long state of sin. And that's not fair, that is why I say we are left out: because it feels as if we are marked from the very beginning.
It's funny, when I dovened chabad nobody seemed to care that I was gay, at least so long as the donation checks kept coming. But as soon as my company downsized and I was struggling to even buy kosher food, all of a sudden I was personally the reason that the beis hamikdash hadn't been rebuilt. Judaism, it's a cult.
Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” Romans 1:27 “And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Romans 1:28 “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;”
So our nature/what’s natural for us humans is everything that’s a sin? Our sinful nature is our baseline, then? To murder, steal, commit adultery, do homosexual practices, eat pork is our nature? Our sinful nature? Our natural state? This is so profound!!! So if by giving in to our (sinful) nature, our natural state, we cause so much destruction for our souls, in our individual lives, and the wider creation, whether we can actually see this destruction or not.
Marriage is an invention I don't know Rabbi I don't know it's not an invention, I mean if we going to the context of simplicity which an invention and metaphysical terms if I want to take it from metaphysical terms and adapt it to three-dimensional reality invention is objective for example as a mechanic I, need a spacific Auto part that I need to install in my car I have to invent that tool because I can't afford it so technically, I'm guessing that in his context he is saying they wanted at one point people wanted to invent a ceremony in which to signify in our three dimensional realm and act a physical act of taking an oath out of love in necessity for one another in one another's world, ?I guess to me the rabbi speaking in terms of marriage being an invention as this ceremonial act, in regards to Cain and Abel that's just crazy to me, but I see exactly where Rabbi is going with his questions and his responses.
This can lead to huge misunderstandings and even misuse between interaction of family members..Genetically its also prooven ofsprings might be disabled...mentally and physically.Those genderblas are no good for parents no kids..🥴
It is not a sin. To understand why, look at the following. No murder, no adultery, no theft and no lying. It is the latter that quantifies the debate. How many of you here, lie: Often? not so often? rarely? None of these replies are correct. But a man in love with another man harms no one. so there is no sin here. Love is not a sin and to assert that is, falls short of understanding the divine nature of love. Be careful.
So God is against eyes seeing naturally, ears hearing naturally and mouth speaking naturally? I completely disagree, and espouse the view that what's natural is Godly, because the nature we're talking about is God's nature, how can He be against what He created and we get by nature, that is through being born with it? It's what's unnatural thats is ungodly.
My dog licks his balls and likes to smell shit every time he gets the chance. It's only natural for him and it has certain use. Should we all behave the same? Should we fully embrace the natural way? You got things wrong. Commandments are in place for us humans to live a better life not to make us turn against the natural ways. Think about how natural is to take the food you need when you're hungry form wherever you find it. If it happens to find it form a single mother with 4 kids, so be it because it is natural, right?
If he's having an affair with the person he has hired specifically for the purpose of having the opportunity to cultivate a sexual relationship with anothher person then he is a sexpred. But if he genuinely seeks a loving relationship, he has a good heart. Maybe the love he once had with his wife has somehow died or she has become physically / mentally incapable of demonstrating it as she once did.
So I would have to interject here and say no, it is not more natural to have incest and homosexuality. Take wolves for instance. In a pack they do not ALL mate with each other, only the Alpha pair. So, if you go by wolves and other natural beings with higher intelligence it’s is NOT natural. And if you’ve ever had a female, intact dog you know how strong her scent is and the natural desire for intact males to mate. So while the Rabbi makes an interesting point. I don’t agree that it’s more natural to tend to be incestuous and homosexual. I believe it goes against nature otherwise the species would not survive. But people, unlike animals are able to process sex differently and use it for pleasure rather than proliferating the human race.
Maybe that's the point: "be fruitful and multiply" is the command; there's nothing commanded to seek pleasure. Pride has gotten humans in trouble since their creation.
".....for their women exchanged ***natural*** relations for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise the men, too, abandoned ***natural*** relations with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing shameful acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." - Romans 1:26-28
It did not work out well for our people in the desert for 40 years to reject god's commandments in favor of our own personal understanding or desires or what we want outside of gods commandments. That is still true for us as Jews, the commandments are not gone because of the time that has passed. When anyone wants to justify sin , time to run for cover.
Thank you to the IGTK team for all you do to share the teachings of Rabbi Friedman with us.
The Tanakh has so many commandments, rules, and proscriptions that everyone who ascribes to it is regularly sinning one way or another. It's interesting how religious fundies obsess over other people's sins while ignoring their own.
Anyone who dismisses what I say either has never met fundies or is being dishonest. I've been around a lot of fundies in my life. Even the social science research shows fundamentalist behavior. If you lack this knowledge, feel free to learn something new or don't.
Why am I rebuking ignorance, obtuseness, or dishonesty? Because I'm opposed to such things. If I likewise expressed ignorance, obtuseness, or dishonesty, I'd rebuke myself. But because that opposes my values, I do my best to avoide such problematic behavior. It would be dishonest to claim I do the same.
They are the first to do do many wrong things behind closed doors.. I used to live in a Jewish area...
You're very wrong. They obsess about their own sins and confess they every morning and every night even those who never or hardly ever sin so they're constantly thinking about guarding from sin and want to guard others as well. It bothers them to know their neighbors are sinning. Those who don't care about their neighbors it doesn't bother them and then lasseiz faire.
I'd like to see the study on which you are basing this highly generalized observation of yours. I've lived in various observant communities for 35 years and don't recall anyone ever asking me about any of my sins, let alone obsessing over them ! BTW, I think the word you meant is "subscribes," not "ascribes." Feel free to call me a pedant!
@@annalisadelbove6133 So they were sinning behind closed doors. You know that because you were peeking through their windows to see?!
@annalisadelbove6133 ohhh fiddlesticks...behind closed doors. Then how would you KNOW ? Idle gossip 😊
BH' this is deep! I've never thought about this subject....like this! Thank you!!!
We either believe or we don't. One thing I have realised in my 70 years is that humans are inherently bad at behaving well toward each other and why we need guidence.
Yeah and no. That all depends.. you know what I am saying?
The original law on which all other moral laws are based - "Don't do anything to another that you would not like another to do to you"
GuidAnce
Good to see you admit original sin consquence.
Nice presentation
But what isnt answered is the important question: "Why is homosexuality supposed to be a SIN?" the answer was "I dont know."
It is NO offer for a young gay or lesbian , to leave his or her beloved partner and life in celibacy.
It is NO offer for a homosexual person to marry a oposide sex person and make the other person and himself unhappy, frustratred till developing domestical violence.
And all that just for a morality that nobody can say why and what for it even exist.
Exactly. Listening to this makes steam come out of my ears. These rabbis talk like they no better and then they do things that are soo soo wrong. I went to bais Yaakov and witnessed it with my own eyes. Disgusting
It exists because they wanted to promote more people in the tribe.
It's a sin because God said so and if that's not enough for someone to refrain from doing it then that's their problem
Love the sinner, not the sin
To paraphrase What the Rabbi is saying;
Regardless of whether it’s considered natural or not, God in his infinite WISDOM deems it a sin simply because He knows the long-term results/consequences of such actions and humanity can not see that far ahead...
There are so many things that are sinful, & I couldn’t understand why God would forbid them or make them sins because those things seemed not to hurt anyone. Here I am middle-aged & Wedtern culture has gone to crap, & I completely understand now why those things are sinful. Now I regret the arrogance of my youth, thinking I knew better than God.
Humanity can see that 2 homosexuals can't make babys. I'm sure they can see that already!
Homosexuals are fine, just the way they are, the way G-d created them. There have always been observant Jews who are homosexual, and there always will be.
And there are also orthodox Jews who don't keep shabbos, or other commandments
God didn't create them, satan did.
Once you get to know a homosexual he will confide in you that some older guy molested him when he was young. At first they will always say no, but once they trust you they will tell you the truth.
Once that happens, it's very hard for them to have a normal life, satan has stolen that from them.
@@yitzkhakkaufman3264One who wants to break Shabbat and doesn’t is fine. A man who wants to have intercourse with another man and doesn’t is also fine.
They are over indulgent Western losers. Do what the Torah and Sharia says. Life is more than being a brat running around with your feelings, grow up.
Really!!?
I heard someone talk about a transparent translation as concerns homosexuality. It traced the common passages used to condemn gay people from Hebrew, to Aramaic, to Greek, to English. There were amazing changes especially when choosing Greek instead of staying in the Hebrew.
My eyes rolled so far back into my head I saw my brain.
Then you clearly did not understand what he was saying
I don’t understand the thinking behind the statement “I don’t know why it’s a sin.” Especially from someone who understands the value of family in the context of religious practice. For two people of opposite genders to be together for life is the most challenging relationship on the earth. The challenge is designed by HaShem. There is nothing on this earth that encourages more growth and maturity than choosing to spend your life with someone so absolutely different than you. We simply miss the mark when we choose to spend our lives with someone because it’s easier. What could be easier than two people with the exact same make up spending intimate time with one another? It is a sun because it is the easier path.
The reason why it’s a sin, is only known to Hashem , not us, there’s no explanations why things are prohibited, they are sins by the design of Hashem
It's up to you as an individual to attempt to rationalize G-d's law, if you wish. Most faithful Jews just say because that's what G-d intended or wanted or said so. Just like he said one shall not Judge. We are all sinful, but G-d wants us to be better. A homosexual who does more mitzvahs than a straight murderer or rapist would be closesr to G-d and have a higher standing.
Same sex and who we are brought up with is more familiar as children. Boys often only identify with other boys. So as an adult one knows what is pleasurable in someone of the same sex. If sex is a game, then people can play it any which way.
My Father used me for his sexual pleasure because my Mom hated his abusive behavior and wouldn't be near him.
I needed his love and intimacy, but not adult intimacy. The process of development as a boy was spoiled by this and confused me when puberty began age 10. My confusion was perpetuated by father's family and psychiatrists one side telling me to act on my same sex attraction and religious christians friends and some others from my father's family warned me not to act on them. Christianity polarized the problem. So one could say christianity and other religions are more natural.
Years after I discovered my Mom was Jewish, I began to investigate Torah for real, and abandon christian perversion of Torah. It is also a problem in the Torah world, where people cut off their heart from their head knowledge. So I also became a problem in that world for exposing abuse there as well, which is just as covered up as in the cristian and secular world. Secular world covers it up with lgbtqqaatkip+ political mentality. A 2nd P is being added to include paedophilia as a sexuality. So incest may be more natural, but it does harm a child because a child needs safe intimacy not adult sexual intimacy. As an adult one can choose to sexualize a relationship with any other adult, and let it screw one's psyche. Baruch Hashem better late than never I am beginning to experience feelings I should have been able to be safe to feel as a toddler, young boy, teenager and young man. It is frustrating to be in my 50s to begin to grow out of just same sex attraction of pre puberty to feel male enough to think my attraction to women can lead to a healthy relationship and sexual intimacy, and address how unnatural or intrusive it appears to have intercourse where urine comes out, almost as intrusive as where faeces comes out.
Sorry that happened to you. I admire your courage. I am glad it’s over and you have a beautiful life ahead of you. Peace.
God bless you. Thank you for sharing your humans to the core that gives hope and stirs away from so much lies.
Sending you a big sister hug🦋…I started enjoying nature and dancing like a little girl to gain back some childhood….then I pretended I went to college @Vandi for my 50 th to heal what was stolen from me. Healing is heavenly 🦋🥰🌈🌹
I’m so sorry; no child should suffer through such horrors. Maybe you can join with other adult survivors & help society learn to protect children from such evil. I think we desperately need adults who were victims to fix the system & educate the rest of us on how to protect children without making them terrified of the world. Sending hugs, love, & prayers to you.
@@southbug27 in order to help ourselves we must have family that shut us down due to not embarrass the family. It sucks….I just didn’t do it to my kids and I see how healthy children are possible 🥰
Thank you Rabbi, I learn so much from you. Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪
I love they way Rabbi uses logic to bring clarity to situations.
He’s homosexual also, of course he’s going to rationalize homosexuality. No normal man, or rabbi, would approve homosexuality, unless they, were in fact, homosexual.
not logic, twisted reasoning
Thank you for this explanation, Rabbi. I've never heard sin explained this way before.
Male mallard ducks have an exceptionally high rate of homosexuality, as high as 19%. Black swans have an even higher rate, around 25%, and male pairs will steal eggs from females to raise them themselves. Two male griffon vultures at the Jerusalem Biblical Zoo were observed having “enthusiastic” sex, and raised a chick together when provided with an egg.
Both male and female American bison have been observed engaging in homosexual behavior, over 20 species of bat are known to form same sex pairs, and bonobos as a species are inherently bisexual.
Homosexuality has also been observed in penguins, lions, elephants, giraffes, dolphins, sheep, hyenas, lizards, and turtles, and that's not even a comprehensive list.
So, maybe get back to me when you have a question not based on a false premise. Nature correct or anything?
Not relevant and totally woke
1,500 animal species have been observed to engage in same sex activity.
@@Emw-ui5re uh not actually woke just studied Biology and Zoology while in college.
@@global.explorer that is correct
@@global.explorerpeople aren't animals because people are made in the image of God
Adam and Eve where not the only people on the planet. Because: When Cain killed Abel, he became a fugitive and he said to God, "I must hide from you and be a wanderer over the earth, Why, whoever comes across me will kill me." And, God gave him a mark so he would not be struck down by others who came across him. Gen:4 vs 14&15. Am I misinformed that 'whoever and others" does not mean other people besides Adam, Eve and Cain? Appreciate a response.
I believe Adam and Eve were the first ones who obtained the ability to judge. The first thing they did was judge their nakedness, which they had to cover with fig leaves. I’m other words, they were the first humans who doubted God when they gained an awareness of themselves and their surroundings.
The others were Adam's and Eve's other children and grandchildren.
@@andreegross Disagree. Cain and Abel are first mentioned as children of Adam and Eve. If they had other children besides them, they would have been named first. "Whoever" and "Others" denote people besides themselves and many. And, the ability 'to kill' them is generally associated with adults not children.
This doesn't make me doubt scripture, in fact it increases my belief, primarily because of these hidden mysteries.
and eve had another brother and sister (called shithe) and shithe married cain"s sister
@@fromthepeanutgallery1084The Bible says Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters....
What he's alluding to is that it's natural to seek pleasure, but the torah gives morals to guide us toward a meaninful life. But he had to send you through mental gymnastics to the point where the point was lost.
Ok, now that's putting things in perspective. Thank you very much.
I was in Jerusalem about three years ago. I was by myself. By chance, I got into a conversation with a young pretty woman in a store. She told me with pride that she's gay.
I was wearing a kippah. I talked to her about the type of life she chose and she listened to me. I concluded by telling her, "I'm not chastising you for what you're doing.
But look at a woman who's been gay for most of her life. A woman who is in her late forties. Look at where she is. Because that very well may be where you will be in 25 years."
She thought about what I told her for a moment and actually thanked me.
I fail to see your point and am genuinely curious. What, exactly, did you mean?
so the woman in her late 40's was an old butch lesbian or was she single and looking lonely with no offspring? they dont always have to be gay to be childless,
Being homosexual i not a choice.What you told her was either mean or an act based on ignorance. I know a lesbian couple who have been together many years and have two daughters.
@@alvaromejia7069A double immaculate conception?
What a stupid comment. Women do not need to marry a man or even have sex with a man to get pregnant.
Woah, was not expecting that kind of response from a Rabbi.
What i understood from what he's saying is when God say's a thing is bad then it is bad, don't look for readons to convince yourself before agreeing to it or promoting it , it's all about obedience to God's instructions.
But GD himself did not say it's bad. It was written as such in a translation of a translation. The #1 thing we can do as Jews and as children of Hashim is to question everything, you can not build faith on blind following, you can't build a relationship on ignorance. A proper jew must strive to understand what it is that Hashim is asking of us and why he is asking that. Hebrew is a dead language, what we have now is a reconstruction based of a translation of a translation of a translation. It is not to be taken as the true word of GD.
Dude! You are so f-king smart. You are blowing my mind. Thank you! Love you.
is he smart? what is smart? is he right ? if so how do you know? how does he know the exact truth or do we humans just reason to the best of our limited knowledge and perception of who we are and how we got here! we never seen Adam and eve is it truth ? what is truth? What is God? is she he or it real? And how do we know for sure 🤷🏽♂️ not trying to be pessimist or a mean spirited dude this is just reasonable questions, why act like somethings a matter of fact and we never even seen it or even know that it exist sounds crazy really doesn’t it
@@sambell385 Have u ever seen your great great great grandmother? I have never seen her, how do I know she ever existed? How do I know YOU existed u could be an AI.
Exactly my point 😏😩
@@pirateshadesproductions Knowing who your great great grandparents were is much different than talking about a supreme God The creator of all things and all of the stories and antics in the Bible, i’m just saying there’s a whole bunch of Guesstimation. Mysticism and mythology about where things came from or how things got started ,we can say it seems like it came from intelligent design that’s pretty logical , but exactly what that is we have no clue , I’m just saying humans need to quit acting like they know stuff they really don’t then they called it a fact, seems like logical reasoning to me ,we all would like to know but we don’t just keeping it real, most everybody in America Growed up in the church and live through various types of religious teaching, but it boils down to faith hope and belief and none of that = fact
@@sambell385 okay that's too long I'm not reading that.
Pedofiles Are Criminals
Whoa! This is a very novel take on biblical ethics, at least to me. Very wise words. Thank you rabbi.
Imagine telling a person born left-handed that it is a "sin" to be left-handed and that they should use their right hand. How cruel would that be?
They used to do that. Left was considered to be “sinister” and of the devil, so being left handed was also considered to be of the devil and they would force people to use the right hand. Now we understand it’s completely natural and not evil. I hope someday we can understand other natural things aren’t evil either.
@@stellaxingguang We have "evolved" over time in many ways. It's not taken seriously anymore, but the Bible has a verse that says "Women are to remain silent in the churches". Google it.
That’s not how that works.
Not relevant
@@stellaxingguangManis is not saying its evil. Thats the christian and muslim view, which Judaism has integrated as part of assimilation. It is between us and our Creator to follow His Instructions as we are able, not forced by others. Manis says it is more natural to stay with own sex. People who are intimate sexually with own sex and marry own sex say same. We know our gender's "buttons" more than the opposite sex.
Great teaching. I feel even secular science and studies are finding out that when people practice things forbidden in the Torah, it has a negative affect on our bodies and souls. I agree, first off, it is sin and we must fear G-d, love Him and obey. But how amazing Hashem is to help guide us not just because He have 'given the orders' but because Hashem loves us and wants the best for us. Thank you Rabbi for your wonderful teachings and faithfulness.
Thank you for sharing this teaching with us.
As a Karaite Jew I read the Torah. I read Deuteronomy for what it says. Moses says clearly over 50 times not to add anything to it or subtract. Deuteronomy doesn't say anything about homosexuality but does about other things. Are we to believe that God forgot? Then why believe any of it? God is clear that Deuteronomy is the law.
Do Karaite Jews not believe that Leviticus is law too?
@@DrKaiiNo. It Deuteronomy replaced it. One cannot observe Deuteronomy and Leviticus at the same time because Deuteronomy says over 50 times not to add or subtract from Deuteronomy.
I read a science paper about fish with fins and scales. They found that the fish with fins and scales are the most recent in the history of evolution in the ocean and that the they have a more sophisticated digestive system that filters toxins from their body unlike other types of fish, which makes their flesh cleaner to eat.
Cain’s response was the natural response, therefore the need for, “thou shalt not kill.”
You understand what the rabbi is saying.
@@cheryldeboissiere1851 what would be interesting to know is what Moses was thinking when God made that commandment. He was guilty also. 🤔
Correct murderous impulses and behavior are not unnatural, but morally unacceptable
Moral versus immoral is not an easy choice, unless we get it to be as natural as breathing.
Perfect as simple as ABC...no logic needed. Thank u
Did you guys catch that? "What if they prove it doesn't mess her up" why did he say her when at first he just mentioned a child. It wouldn't surprise me that is was a slip up. 😯😳
The risk is there with incest. You may not get burned playing with matches, you may not fly out through the windshield from not wearing a seatbelt. These things are still wrong.
the reason it is forbidden is not because it can be dangerous, wrong, immoral, or unnatural. the reason it is forbidden is because god told us not to do it.
@@good2go-x2z Correct it's forbidden, you got that part right. Serving the creature, not the Creator. Wrong.
Herectic
@@AZ-zo3wc heretics are in the wrong indeed
So gos said so.. ah the dogma.. without thinking why.. like saying the trinity is the truth.. because this is what God says.. one can state! same sex does not harm anyone actually, you just need common sense. There are still people suffering because their families forced them to get married.. this is nonsense.
He is changing the very meaning of the word natural in order to suit his purpose this does not in any way answer the question but redefines commonly used words and confuses people
I feel 'natural' man is the Fallen state of man after the first sin. It is not the original holy perfect state Hashem intended for us. Natural man is at enmity with G-d. That is why we need Hashem and the Torah to guide us.
Sit in a yeshiva for a couple a years and you will start to comprehend,
natural in the context of what RMF is to ask, is it less challenging, less unknown, more likely to succeed
Wrong
And incest obviously destroys a child
he answers are smart, this rabbi has wisdom
This person teaches doctrines of satan and is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Simply brilliant. Thank you.
thank you really much! it was exactly the lesson that I needed now. yesterday one girl asked me for a relationship (I'm girl, too). I knew that scientifically we all have inside us some present of gay and not gay. and for all my life I allowed myself to have feelings to both man and woman. but last days I decided to be right Jew (I'm doing my first steps in Judaism) and not to have relationship with women. but after she asked me for relationship, i ask myself a question "is it natural to have relationship like that?" and from my insides I had an answer "yes". from that moment till now I wasn't understanding why then shouldn't I have a gay relationship. and here it is. now I know the answer! thank you really much, again! 🙏❤
What should gay people do then? Remain single and celibate? That is valid
Yes. And it is more than easy to do just that, if you cultivate celibacy. You can also see homosexuality as your entire development in adulthood having been arrested psychologically in childhood. You are stuck in childhood with a playmate. You think you are five years old. It's sad.
leviticus on this topic only mentioned nonconsentual relations in a woman's bed between the man and male, and it had nothing to do with consentual relations in their own bed. Also no mention of condemnation of lesbians in old testament.
There are lesbians in OT.
@Nola-2000 Ruth and Naomi perhaps.
@@Elvengem Ok it's not in OT I confounded with NT where it is explicitly forbidden.
@Nola-2000 because men wanted to own women! They were property in the Middle east like they still are treated today. Apostle Paul condemned the lesbian lust rituals in the pagan contexts of shrine prostitution mainly since he first mentioned idolatry in that chapter in ROmans 1.
@Nola-2000 because men wanted to own women! They were property in the Middle east like they still are treated today. Apostle Paul condemned the lesbian lust rituals in the pagan contexts of shrine prostitution mainly since he first mentioned idolatry in that chapter in ROmans 1.
I am shocked by what the rabbi is preaching here.
So, murder is only a sin because God says so?
He were were right if we were animals but we are created after God's image and we are able to understand the moral law.
How can you compare sodomy with eating pork?
Having sex with my brother is more natural than with my wife??
So, i would say to learn what is normal, look at your parents, are they your father and your uncle or you came from two women?
One could argue in our fallen state sin is natural but still we are created after God's image that's why we are held accountable for our deeds. This also how rabbi Paul writes in his first letter to the Romans.
Possibly what people don't want to hear about either.
* Noticing how little views and comments it's not.
You are changing Gods word. That is the exact thing that happened in the garden when the serpent said did God say
Based on this video, I'm assuming that we shouldn't conflate both nature and morality together.
great point, but the atheist would rebute it by simply claiming that the Bible did not come from God, but well intentioned but misinformed individuals. What would you respond to that? Would like to know, thank you!
I disagree w the rabbi on this issue
The Rabbi's logic makes no sense..I respect his opinion on many of his video's but this one lost me.
Sin is our natural as human beings because we were born into sin and shape in iniquity. So God had to tell us what is morally right or we would continue in our natural sin life.
It makes absolute sense. Would you accept p*dophilia? Why/why not? There’s no reason to reject it other than commandments. One can make arguments in favor of it, which actually there’s a group of people these days making arguments in favor of p*do philia; nothing can stop them from it if we accept sexual sins as normal. Same for *ncest and others.
@@dumbphonemomI agree. He makes perfect sense.
@@dumbphonemom You are wrong there many reasons to reject immorality outside of commandments.
Rabbi, you've touched on a complex subject in this teaser video. You've probably gained a lot more wisdom on the subject since 1993. Let's hear it.
Did someone answer to your question?
My fiancé’s wife died and he said he was in a sexless marriage many years. Why no divorce? Because he loved her. Huh? He makes no sense.
I disagree. I dont have a natural desire to murder.
Some do .
You do, it’s just not been brought to the surface , out yourself in a certain situation then it will appear
What the heck is this guy talking about. Sheesh.
You have no idea clearly. I feel sorry for your pea-sized brain.
He's an interesting Guy, but this circular rabbinic reasoning without Torah made me look to the Gospels of our Jewish Messiah.
Also it would be natural for us to eat whatever food we can eat..
Yet we are given dietary commandments.
A big misconception is that these guidelines are for health (which I'm glad you mentioned this misconception)
The Time of Jacob's Trouble is almost here now...
What is this rabi teaching , homosexuality ?
I believe what the rabbi is saying is that the only reason anything is forbidden is because god said so. whether or not its natural or unnatural, moral or immoral, something could be the most immoral thing in the world but if god commands us to do it we must do it, and vice versa. because with our biased minds we can come up with a moral reason for doing anything (as we see very clearly these days) so the only reason homosexuality is forbidden is because it is a sin. and it is a sin because god said so.
I mean this is just nonsense . The Torah clearly refers to sin as "evil" (Deuteronomy 30:15). How can Manis Friedman overly deny this (2:48) ? Eating ham is, by the Torah's definition, an evil. Ergo, its horrible.
Sin means to miss the mark…
It’s an archery term
So you’re shooting your arrow
But not hitting godly center
I’m not defending this guy tho
Because I think they have old minded thinking forsure 👴
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Color and fabric type are not essential
I think when Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden that God created more humans on the other side of earth. I don’t think that Abel was married but, I know that Cain was. Cain got kicked out the area of where his parents were and was a vagabond on the earth after he killed Abel. He then found a wife. It doesn’t make sense that he would have married his sister. It really doesn’t state in the Bible about Cain marrying his sister and doesn’t say that God made other people but, it makes more sense.
"One day someone is going to come along and PROVE that homosexuality is natural. Then what are you going to say?" (10:05). It's already been tried. Some biologists saw male ducks chasing each other and mating. Their findings were published saying: "Homosexuality is not unnatural. Within the animal kingdom, it's everywhere". With that observation, all 'Biblical' arguments seem to have been dismissed. But are they?
I love the rabbis videos but I think he tied himself up in knots a bit here and confused things. God exists, but when we step down to religions things start getting confused. All think they are right and there’s many differences even within Judaism. Speak to God directly and you will be guided if you have faith and trust.
Why did God give us laws and commandments when he wanted us at the first place to have free will?
Wait is he saying that incest is natural and safe…
Thank you , Rabbi.
Very nicely explained why we should or should not do something!
So if it is OK to be gay why did Hashem destroy Sodom and Gomorrah then the Angels went in to get Lot out with his family Hashem made Adam and Eve not man to go with Man or woman to go with woman explain that please
Ezekiel 7 states Sodom was destroyed for hostility and unkindness
This hits different since I've been watching this during Pride month. Baruch Hashem Rabbi!
Pride is garbage. Get out here with ur sodomite self
And who says dont you think yr bubbie also was sexually abused so why make a big deal of it.
This old guy is so crazy that is not able to difference between food and marriage, he just has not moral principles
Poor guy.
This Rabbi says he does not want a God that serves him, but the one and most incredible special way God serves us all is by loving us. So if you want to serve a God that does not serve us, such as love, " he loves us. Then he must worship the opposite the darkness, the blindness of the world. I pray for this R😢abbi that he finds the true light" that a dream may come to him. And open up his blind mind^eyes🎉 my opinion only.
In addition God is always a provider in OT. He always had been a Father. It's heresy to say otherwise.
So well said
Another curiosity for me; how is it a sin to have an affair while married, yet throughout the bible there are children of Israel born outside of marriage? Even unto may wives and concubines? Just wondering
My understanding although it could be mistaken all that you mentioned took place before Moses received the complete “commandments” all 614 before that there were only the Seven Noahide Laws that applied to all peoples .
Seems to me polygamy was well practiced into the 11th century when it was banned, but even after that many Jews still took more than one wife
@@classygary
I am afraid that the biblical theory of sexuality, given the bronze age in which it was conceived, did not have the language or science to contemplate the ethiology of homosexuality. The fact that the Tanach equates HS to "an abomination" betrays its human source.
We have to stop judging others and are so quick to have an opinion on these matters . Let the Bible be our guide
Thank you so much, Rabbi!
Unless you are homosexual, you won't understand that homosexuality is not a choice. Rabbi is talking as if we can choose it, as simply as choosing a footbal team. I would have chosen to be hetero if only I could. But I cannot. Why? Because to me, it is NATURAL to be repulsed by male genitals. We often talk about homosexuality as an attraction to same sex, but that is not fully correct. Homosexuality can also mean being repulsed by the opposite sex, and there is nothing one can do to change it. Arguably, one could force themselves, but is that life? Forcing one self into something that is unnatural and unsustainable? Be real here, whomever would do that. There wouldn't anything holy in living a life like that. We might not be rejected, as Rabbi says, but we are left out in many other ways and I explain why: adultery is a sin too, as Rabbi says, however adultery (as long as it's hetero) is more accepted than homosexuality, and Rabbi knows it. Everyone knows it. An man that cheated on his wife with another woman, may get divorce and re marry and still be kosher. Adultery is a temporary sin. Homosexuality, something that unlike adultery is NOT a choice, is a life-long state of sin. And that's not fair, that is why I say we are left out: because it feels as if we are marked from the very beginning.
Judaism doesn’t care about orientation. When he speaks of people who “commit homosexuality”, he’s speaking of anal intercourse between men.
1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness
It's funny, when I dovened chabad nobody seemed to care that I was gay, at least so long as the donation checks kept coming. But as soon as my company downsized and I was struggling to even buy kosher food, all of a sudden I was personally the reason that the beis hamikdash hadn't been rebuilt. Judaism, it's a cult.
In a cult there is one guy at the top who knows it's all B.S. In a religion that guy died a long time ago.
Playing senseless, intellectual games.
Apparently the interviewers are not well acquainted with religious facts and bylaws and the history of Adam and Eve and their sons and daughters..
Theres the issue of consciousness, TRUTH; this is rabbi word salad.
Good day rabbi manis you make very good points
Jeremiah 17:9
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
Romans 1:27
“And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”
Romans 1:28
“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;”
God calls sodomy an abomination. There is no rationalising with God.
I'm not getting Rabbi's point in this video at all. Do you mean siblings and two men could marry each other?
Everyday more these "brilliant" religious men prove their nonsense.
Sorry but this is not making sense to me.
Beacuse your ability to think is not there
@@yitzkhakkaufman3264that’s not a nice thing to say.
So our nature/what’s natural for us humans is everything that’s a sin? Our sinful nature is our baseline, then? To murder, steal, commit adultery, do homosexual practices, eat pork is our nature? Our sinful nature? Our natural state? This is so profound!!! So if by giving in to our (sinful) nature, our natural state, we cause so much destruction for our souls, in our individual lives, and the wider creation, whether we can actually see this destruction or not.
What is the difference between homosexual and transgender ?
Marriage is an invention I don't know Rabbi I don't know it's not an invention, I mean if we going to the context of simplicity which an invention and metaphysical terms if I want to take it from metaphysical terms and adapt it to three-dimensional reality invention is objective for example as a mechanic I, need a spacific Auto part that I need to install in my car I have to invent that tool because I can't afford it so technically, I'm guessing that in his context he is saying they wanted at one point people wanted to invent a ceremony in which to signify in our three dimensional realm and act a physical act of taking an oath out of love in necessity for one another in one another's world, ?I guess to me the rabbi speaking in terms of marriage being an invention as this ceremonial act, in regards to Cain and Abel that's just crazy to me, but I see exactly where Rabbi is going with his questions and his responses.
This can lead to huge misunderstandings and even misuse between interaction of family members..Genetically its also prooven ofsprings might be disabled...mentally and physically.Those genderblas are no good for parents no kids..🥴
Thank you Rabbi Friedman
Is he saying incest is natural?
If so that’s gross..
God can choose a new people
It is not a sin. To understand why, look at the following. No murder, no adultery, no theft and no lying. It is the latter that quantifies the debate.
How many of you here, lie: Often? not so often? rarely?
None of these replies are correct.
But a man in love with another man harms no one. so there is no sin here. Love is not a sin and to assert that is, falls short of understanding the divine nature of love.
Be careful.
So God is against eyes seeing naturally, ears hearing naturally and mouth speaking naturally? I completely disagree, and espouse the view that what's natural is Godly, because the nature we're talking about is God's nature, how can He be against what He created and we get by nature, that is through being born with it? It's what's unnatural thats is ungodly.
My dog licks his balls and likes to smell shit every time he gets the chance. It's only natural for him and it has certain use. Should we all behave the same? Should we fully embrace the natural way?
You got things wrong. Commandments are in place for us humans to live a better life not to make us turn against the natural ways.
Think about how natural is to take the food you need when you're hungry form wherever you find it. If it happens to find it form a single mother with 4 kids, so be it because it is natural, right?
If he's having an affair with the person he has hired specifically for the purpose of having the opportunity to cultivate a sexual relationship with anothher person then he is a sexpred. But if he genuinely seeks a loving relationship, he has a good heart. Maybe the love he once had with his wife has somehow died or she has become physically / mentally incapable of demonstrating it as she once did.
And that's why God came in and said what is Morally right to do. Exactly his point.
Divorce exists.
Deep, yet clear.
So I would have to interject here and say no, it is not more natural to have incest and homosexuality. Take wolves for instance. In a pack they do not ALL mate with each other, only the Alpha pair. So, if you go by wolves and other natural beings with higher intelligence it’s is NOT natural. And if you’ve ever had a female, intact dog you know how strong her scent is and the natural desire for intact males to mate. So while the Rabbi makes an interesting point. I don’t agree that it’s more natural to tend to be incestuous and homosexual. I believe it goes against nature otherwise the species would not survive. But people, unlike animals are able to process sex differently and use it for pleasure rather than proliferating the human race.
Maybe that's the point: "be fruitful and multiply" is the command; there's nothing commanded to seek pleasure. Pride has gotten humans in trouble since their creation.
".....for their women exchanged ***natural*** relations for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise the men, too, abandoned ***natural*** relations with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing shameful acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." - Romans 1:26-28
It did not work out well for our people in the desert for 40 years to reject god's commandments in favor of our own personal understanding or desires or what we want outside of gods commandments. That is still true for us as Jews, the commandments are not gone because of the time that has passed. When anyone wants to justify sin , time to run for cover.