Horcrux Creation's Dark SECRET Made JK Rowling's Editor VOMIT - Harry Potter Theory
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- Hey everyone, welcome to another installment of Harry Potter Theory. In a Wizarding World full of magic, Horcruxes are without a doubt one of the darkest forms of this magic. These cursed objects, created through an unnamed and forbidden process, are known for their ability to fragment the soul, preserving it beyond death, and granting the creator an impenetrable shield of immortality. However, the creation of these sinister objects comes at an unthinkable cost, leading us to wonder what dark magic and sacrilege went into their making.
What unspeakable rituals did Voldemort undertake to achieve his twisted form of immortality? How did the creation of each Horcrux alter his soul, turning him further down the path of darkness? And what mysteries lie buried within the shattered remnants of his fragmented soul?
Today we’re going to be exploring all of that, and more, as we uncover the truth behind the horrific dark magic that produces Horcruxes.
Horcruxes, said to be one of two things from the Harry Potter books that made JK Rowling’s editor nearly VOMIT, are still very much an enigma to this day. The very first known Horcrux was made in Ancient Greece by a wizard named Herpo the Foul, and thousands of years later, Voldemort became only the second known creator of a Horcrux. Made from magic that is so terrible in nature that even dark wizards are horrified by what it entails, Horcruxes are creations that are unimaginable to the vast majority of the Wizarding World. So, when Voldemort made seven, it was a demonstration of just how incredibly evil he was. When interviewed on the topic, even JK Rowling stumbled her words as to avoid revealing its process directly.
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I think you're right about cannibalism dont forget that Voldemort's cultists being called Death Eaters is not just a coincidence
I think Rowling didn't even think of any ritual, she just said it's so horrible she can't talk about it. That way everyone thinks about something they found the worst.
I'm sure she did, but to your point, generally revealing something can be underwhelming compared to our infinite imagination. Even just the whole "It's gotta be something worse than I can even think of" works wonders vs set in stone terrible deed.
Very possible I mean when you say something is very dark you gotta be able to follow it up with something truly very dark would that even be possible
I think she did write a ritual. Apparently her editor read it and was almost sick so they cut it.
I believe that she has a detailed idea of what was supposed to happen for it to be created, but we will never know until after her death.
@@christinacody8653 if she dies, I mean she's proba Ly created one for herself
title: made editor vomit
Spoiler alert, it didn’t make her editor vomit.
thanks for saving me 12 minutes! i owe you a video! ... i called for it! marketing fraud.
Saved my time.
YOU say spoiler alert, EYE say plot twist lol
professor Flitwick be like, Wave your wand, and say the incantation allowed"clickbaitoa!"lol 😂😂
I’d say perhaps Voldy needed to eat the heart (not just any body part) of his victims during the creation of the horcrux. If I’m not mistaken, ancient Egyptians believed the heart is where the soul is located.
Yeah but what does the fact that the heart being where the soul is have to do with anything?
Looking at all the people that eat animals hearts as normal meat
But how that fits the "there was nothing abnormal in the bodies to justify their death" criteria? I mean, a missing heart is quite noticeable isn't it?
Hmm
I mean, Voldemort is basically a lich, which is a kind of undead, and the undead are definitely known for their pleasant diets. So there's that.
Also, Unicorns are not defenceless.
It is weird, isn't it? The unicorn stallion Ollivander mentioned certainly tried to defend itself from the indignity of having its tail plucked.
Horcruxes are the poor man's phylactery.
Voldemort is a half-arsed lich; he only receives the binding to the physical world, but little else.
@@derekstein6193 JKR lazily ripped off a lot of Dungeons and Dragons. Deathly Hallows reads like a game of Dungeons and Dragons with a rubbish Games Master.
@@cityman2312 and parts of the silmarillion rip off ancient religions, e.g: a giant wolf bites a guy's hand off (fenrir). disney ruined originality by adaptation when it lobbied to get private domain copyright to extend from 50 years to 100 years.
that was what I was wondering. on which projects did the editor work in the past, there are darker Fairytales out there than HP.
The vomit part was about her discussing making a homunculus. Anyone that has read Paracelsus (1493-1541) knows how they are supposed to be made, and it is sick. It speaks much about how low Peter would go.
The mere act of cold-blooded murder causes the soul to split, according to JKR, and that gives one the ability to capture that shard in an item prepared by ritual beforehand. The Horcrux would act like a trap for the soul shard. Believe it or not, this has ties to her tale of the Warlock's Hairy Heart, where magic was thought to be located in the body within the heart, the Southern Cross, and the idea of the Tefillin (Phylacteries) used in religion.
However, Harry wasn't a real Horcrux, he was possessed by the soul shard. Dumbledore made a comment that Harry was the Horcrux that Tom didn't intend on creating, thus there was no ritual to cleanse and ready an object, and there was no object to be used. The soul shard acted like a leech and attached itself to the only living being in the house.
JKR did her research well.
By homunculus do you mean baby Voldemort?
Or she just made it up.
I read her books and her superficial half- knowledge of all kinds of things is top Tier level
@@nathanielmartinez2551 Yes.
@@CordeliaWagner1999 I think she did that to change things to suit the story. It's been done in the past by other authors, if one reads the oldest sources and compares them to the later examples. Artist interpretations from woodcuts to more modern prints vary greatly, too. As an example, a Basilisk should have a rooster's head, with comb, wings, and have tiny feet under its snake-like body. Instead of a rooster's crow killing it, it supposed to be the smell of a weasel.
Take the House Elves, for example, which are Hobs or Brownies. They're supposed to be much smaller than they are in the HP stories. In HP, the boggart's origin is unknown, but in folklore, they're changed Hobs, maybe after death, that haunt bogs and cause mischief.
I knew about homunculus, but nothing in detail. I just read about Paracelsus method for making one..... And well... Yeah I can see why it's vomit inducing. I'm pretty sure a unicorn womb is better than a horse's. Or maybe unicorns are for wizards, and horses are for muggles?
its not Cannibalism. the bodies have been found with NO MARKS ON THEM, so there would have been marks if he took bites out of them
Maybe what is devoured instead, actually, is the soul of the victim. Maybe he went down the Dementor route!
It could be a form of astral or psychological torture. Or the magic masks any evidence of physical damage.
The video said that maybe he used magic to devor some of their insides. That wouldn’t leave marks
@@Jasonlovesmusic559 I do not agree. As a person , who likes true-crime videos , I will assume , that a wizard criminalists exist , and they would find something missing too on the body in case of cannibalism after the avada kedavra spell.
Also , don't forget , when Voldemort killed his parent and relatives , he created a horcrux out of one of them. The muggle Police did not found anything missing from the bodies , that would explain " why did they die while being literally healthy?" . It is Avada ke davra curse , but nothing else, otherwise the Wizards would find something missing too.
That means , that from this case we can assume , that the Horcrux creation process needs something else from the murdered person. I think it is the magic mark or something , that the wand killed that person. I think that because , like how did the spirits of Cedric and Harry's parents show up from the Voldemorts wand, while he was fighting with a sister wand of Harry? That means that the wand knows what person did the wizard kill , and their spirits are contained there , and are possibly used for one of the processes to create a horcrux.
Damn , I wanted to write a little comment , but my theories and thpughts got a little deeper on this question.
@KxNOxUTA sounds good but don't work for the diary and Harry
She probably never came up with any explanation and just fumbled around in the interview to avoid admitting she didn't have an explanation
Going by the facts that this is a dangerous process, a multifacted process and something that will make people sick to their stomach when it is described to them, I would think the following (also taking into account the skills of the first creator...):
Step 1: Complete and absolute mental preparedness: in order to be create a Horcrux, you have to be absolutely certain that you want to create a Horcrux. There can't be any hesitation and doubt in your mind about the endeavour.
Step 2: You have to prepare for the horcrux creation potion: a dark potion might be the key to create a horcrux, a potion that requires some very interesting ingredients and those have to be collected. Next to a variety of elements that are poisonous, I think the most gruesome ingredients and the most dangerous one is about 10 pints of your own blood. This is approxiametely the full amount found in a human body, so off course it can't be harvested in one sitting, so it has to be collected over time. But in order to make this sacrifice a true sacrifice, the blood can also not to be too old. So perhaps max 10 weeks old. Another important ingredient would be snake venom.
Step 3: Preparing the potion: this dark potion has off course be created and is probably a highly complex process that takes a master potion maker to do successfully and take a few hours to prepare and few weeks to "ripe". As stated before, it is a mixture of the user's own 10 pints of blood, snake venom and a few other ingredients, as well as few dark incantations spoken during the brewing process.
Step 4: Starvation: once the potion has riped, it is time to prepare the body and the first step would be starving it from food for a few days, maybe a couple weeks.
Step 5: Forced dehydration: to further prepare the body, a ritual similar to the self-mummification might be employed to "dry out the body" a bit. Monks used poisonous tea to dehydrate themselves and I would say, a few hours before one consume the Horcrux Potion.
Step 6: the point of no return: beyond this point, the Horcrux has to be either created or the witch or wizard has committed convulted and long drawn-out suicide, the aspirant Horcrux maker has to drink the entire brew. The dark magic in the brew will allow the user to consume the ridiculous quantity without harm but won't reduce the discomfort of consuming such an amount of fluid. And after the last drop has passed the lips, the drinker is on the clock. They will have three months to complete the ritual or else, it will be their death.
Step 7: find a victim, a true victim and be the cause of their death: In the three months that the user has remaining, they have to find a suitable victim. The method of killing is of no importance, as long as it is a victim is a true innocent towards the dark witch or wizard. It can't be a true enemy of the murderer and it can't be a kill in self-defense. While ulterior motives don't affect the process much, part of the motive for the murder has to be explicitly the creation of a Horcrux. Once the victim is dead, the soul, weakened due to the prior preparations will now be split, though not completely ripped. This requires the final two steps and has to be completed in the weeks after the murder, otherwise the soul might heal after all and it is all for nothing.
Step 8: Prepare the vessel: once again, a blood sacrifice is required, the item that will be come the horcrux has to be "baptized" with a least another pint of the user's own blood.
Step 9: The final spell has to be cast, which will tear the loose soul part from the master soul and force it into the now marked object.
Step 10: If all prior 9 steps have been completed without faults and without doubt, hesitation or regret, you have yourself a brand new horcrux and are on the path to immortality.
Everytime this ritual is enacted however, it will take a little more of the maker, resulting in horrendous disfigurements.
Most thought-out theory I've ever read. Although I don't think steps 4 & 5 are necessary after drinking 10 pints of your own blood. Human blood is poisonous if consumed in high amount. I think it's just part of either the potion, or the ritual of "christening" the item that'll become the Horcrux. Losing almost all of your blood would explain why Voldemort, who did this six times, is so pale. I think the Horcrux-nominee item must be placed in a cauldron of your blood, and spelled. Maybe the potion in which it's "christened" needs some additional ingredients. However, I think the danger isn't that you have to nearly kill yourself, it's about the risk of deadly pain you'll feel if you aren't a psychopath and you feel any moral problems during the process.
Your theory makes no sense. Harry was Voldemort's enemy and he became a horcrux.
I agree I don’t think it matters who you kill and why are you killing. But I agree with the rest. Particularly drinking your own blood and a significant amount of it. I looked up what happens and apparently if we drink around Blood we are prone to anaemia and stomach pain nausea and more but couldn’t find out what The other things are.
@@Xardas.Nekromanta And what did a one-year old do to Voldemort exactly that would make him his enemy at this stage in life? Harry was a baby, more innocent is hardly possible. If anything Harry was considered by Voldemort as a potential threat, to be killed before he had the possibility to actually become an enemy. Had Voldemort ignored the prophecy, Harry wouldn't have become the Chosen One, he didn't have to become an enemy.
Secondly, they literally say in the video that Harry is unique case when it comes to being a Horcrux. While it is possible that Voldemort was ready to create a new one as had still one more to go (which would eventually become Nagini) and his body was prepped, he didn't mean to create Harry-Horcux. HOWEVER, and this is stated clear enough in the novels, his soul was so unstable already at this point that the senseless killing of someone so innocent, tore his soul apart and have a piece of it, latch on the only remaining living thing in the house.
@@Xardas.NekromantaYour assessment doesn’t make sense. It’s been clearly stated by JKR & explained thoroughly that Dumbledore was generalizing the concept, of Harry’s joined existence w/ Voldemort, to Harry & that Harry is NOT a Horcrux, also stated in this video, he was simply possessed by a piece of Voldemort’s soul that didn’t have a place to go after his body was destroyed. Next time watch the entire video.
I think JKR didn't actually think up a process for horcruxes, and just pretended she did. The readers imagination will create far more grotesque imagery than she could have written down
I feel she did this for much of her writings.
Why didn't he turn a unicorn into a Horcrux? "Oh, you wish to destroy that Horcrux? Go ahead! Wait a minute..."
I don't think killing the unicorn in that instance would damage the soul
Perhaps the unicorn is too pure to be turned into a horcrux. The only living thing that became a horcrux was Nagini, and in Harry Potter snakes represent dark magic. The unicorn represents pure magic, so from a worldbuilding perspective, I don’t think it would be possible.
@@Based808 are you forgetting that Harry was a horcrux as well?
@@rnptenafly Harry Potter was not technically a horcrux, rather he was possessed by a fragment of voldemort’s soul. Horcrux creation requires a ritual which voldemort did not perform at godrics hollow.
@@rnptenafly Did you like, not watch the part of the video where he explained how that was literally not the case?
I feel like a potion has to be involved, which is why Slughorn would be the obvious choice for who to ask about them.
I do love your theories. However cannibalism is doubtful as it was noted in the GOF that when the riddles were found there was nothing anatomically or medically wrong with them, apart from the fact that they were all dead. Which completely stymied the muggle police.
yes that's why i get annoyed at this point from this stupid theory being repeated again and again. not only muggle doctors but also wizzards examined the victims of his horcrux creations and non of them found ANYTHING wrong except them being dead which indicates him most likely using his signature avada kedavra and meaning that the creation process does NOT harm the victim physically be it dead or alive.
Accio heart?
@@Dunkelelf3also the novel also confirms that the muggle police established that the riddles had not been stabbed, shot, beaten, strangled or poison and apart from being dead the bodies were in perfect health. The only thing wrong with them was the terrified look on their faces
Yeah, it's clearly not canon, but it could have been what she came up with and then did not use due to the editor's reaction.
Blood is a better theory trail to go down.
@@Dunkelelf3cannibalism is in actual magical practices especially occultic ones, why else do you think witchcraft was banned from towns
bathing the object in blood sounds like a realistic idea
I somewhere read the theroy, that one has to perform legeilimency on the victim. So he has to be inside the mind in the moment it dies and has to go through the same torment as the victim.
I find it fitting because it has to be really disturbing for the one who casts the spell and could easily be able to split a soul.
That actually makes a good deal of sense. The thing that many theories often seem to forget is that this process is supposed to be extremely off-putting to even dark wizards/witches. Does anyone actually think Bellatrix would shy away from a bit of cannibalism or blood magic? I don't, but I think experiencing a victims death as she kills them might just be a bridge too far for her.
I think necrophilia is a likely part of the process.
Drinking blood is not taboo enough to keep Rowling from mentioning it in an interview (vampire stories are common in our culture). Canabilism would make sense but like you said we don't know if the bodies were mutilated. Necrophilia would be nasty enough to keep her from bringing it up in an interview and also has a basis in history (see some serial killers).
It’s sad that we can conjure these things up in our brains but I’ve thought this as well.
It can't be necrophilia, it would have been unveiled during the autopsy of Tom Riddle Sr.
Yeah, necrophillia would be grotesque and vomit inducing. It does beg the question tho... does Moldy Volde feel lust?
It would make since why everyone that knows the process of making a horcrux is so repulsed by it. Nothing else (not even canabiliam) would make since to cause that strong of a reaction by the mere mention of a horcrux.
Good point, but let's look at the logic of it.
1) It can't harm the body because Tom Riddle Sr's body was thoroughly examined, and it was unharmed apart from being dead.
2) It can't need a true human body to make one, as Nagini became a Horcrux when Voldemort was in his temporary body.
So, I think Rowling merely bluffed.
My theory: She had nothing specific in mind.
The most horrible thing, isn't the horror we see. But the one we can't see...
So she didn’t vomit. I see. Clickbait at its best.
Not really... It's more accurate to call it exaggeration lol
@@kaelanirevyruun1676I don't think so. As is "nearly vomited" sounds exaggerated. To claim someone vomited when they didn't is just an outright lie and yes could be seen as a clickbait title
You know UA-cam actively encourages content creators to use clickbait, Right?
If you are offended by 'clickbait' maybe youtube isn't the place for you...
@@Giantsfanlewis You wrote all this over a joke?
@@ashersharol it really wasn't much to write 🤣😂🤣
yepp, I have always headcanoned that cannibalism necessary because simply murder would mean half the world is on the cusp of creating a horcrux
As macabre and grim as it must be, despite my interest, I truly believe that some things... are really better left unsaid
I bet it's something horrible to do with an embryo or neonate. The hint is the last embodiment or manifestation of the last horcrux, seen as a crying baby by Harry in that weird King's Cross place.
On the topic of horribleness I can agree, but I don't think that Babymort has anything to do with the ritual itself and more to do with how little soul was left if we take the idea that Voldemort was splitting the "Master Soul" over and over again. The reason why I don't think babies or the unborn were involved at all is because the murder victims were almost all adults and some of them were men. The youngest murder victim for Horcrux creation was Moaning Myrtle, at the age of 12 I think. How was a 16 year old Tom Riddle supposed to get an embryo into Hogwarts in the middle of his first rein of terror as the Heir of Slytherin in time to preform a ritual with the opportunistic murder of a little girl? The murder targets would've all been pregnant women if you were right. Just doesn't make sense logistically based on the information we have.
Just a thought on the ritual to give Voldemort his body back- what if the blood from Harry would only work due to Voldemorts soul being in Harry; so while yes it is the blood of his enemy, it is actually a mix of his own and his enemies?
it was said that he could have used blood of basically anyone since he didn't really have "friends" and only few really loyal followers. he could have used any of his countless enemies and just because harry had voldemorts soul doesn't make harrys blood voldis blood.
I remember she was supposed say the exact details of how to make one when she wanted include it in an encyclopedia
Yeah and then she didnt
I've been wondering about one thing. When Voldemort attacked little Harry, he already had the horcruxes, but lost all his power anyway and it seemed to be quite difficult to regain it, get a new body etc. Why couldn't Harry or anyone else just kill him again, Voldemort would lose his power for some time and Harry would have plenty of time to find the horcruxes and destroy them, without all the battles and many people dying. Why did Dumbledore tell Harry to first destroy the horcruxes and then kill Voldemort? Couldn't Harry do it the other way round? Thanks!
Voldemort "died" because the last part of his soul left him and entered Harry. Harry became an accidental Horcrux! To destroy Voldemort, all of the Horcruxes had to be destroyed. Harry had to die. That is why Harry met the dead Dumbledore at the end and saw the sniveling piece of Voldemort's soul that had been in Harry. Harry was dead.
The prophecy states that Harry was the only one with the power to defeat. Voldemort.
Whether that means only Harry could defeat his physical form or not is not clear, but to vanquish him entirely had to be Harry.
Also, to seek him out whilst he’s among his death eaters would be suicide even for Dumbledore if he was alone. I’m sure Voldemort was using the same fidellius charms to hide that the Order was using.
@@gaijinguide9017 The Prophecy did not name Harry. Harry was just the one Voldemort thought fit the Prophecy. Two other boys might have been the one, it seems to me that Rowling had Harry, Draco and Neville in mind. Their parents all defied Voldemort. And it was Neville who destroyed the last Horcrux, the snake. Voldemort could not live without at least part of his soul.
I really enjoy your instalments. Your logic is always sound if not a bit fun your pacing and your language is excellent. You draw fun conclusions and I think you do an excellent job.
What about (gag) necrophilia with the murder victim? Perhaps the act of, um, "release" is the method in which one pours forth a piece of their soul. I mean, it is how new life is created through reproduction.
Afterwards, the piece of the soul is then extracted from the dead body and placed in the object, which, as you said, is soaked in the maker's blood to trick the soul piece into thinking its the maker's body.
As gross as this is. This only really works with female victims. With his male victims, that would just be butt stuff, and idk if Voldy is into that sort of thing.
@@kenziehurlock I don't think Voldy would care if he enjoyed doing something or not if it meant becoming immortal, he would do it.
@@kenziehurlock He wasnt into anyone so I doubt it would make a difference for him
I'm not so sure about the blood theory. The victims were all "untouched" other than being dead....that's what was said in GoF. In addition, Lily's murder couldn't have been a horcrux creation due to the fact that a) he didn't have a horcrux with him and b) he had no time as he was going to kill Harry right away.
Allegedly he had the sword with him.
My friend had a theory necrophilia might be one step of a horcrux.
That leaves marks and can be easely detected even by muggle doctor
Amazing video of the dark secrets of creation a horcrux in the wizards world,fantastic job.
I go with your theory of soul cannibalism. This would explain why a soul that was made into a Horcrux can't rest in peace which is horrible. However you still refuse to learn that there was another possible Horcrux creator- Owle Bullock who wrote the book which contained the instructions of how to make it. His Horcrux would be in theory either the book itself (we saw a diary becomes a Horcrux so it is possible) or the Opal Neckless.
Good point about Owle Bullock!
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@rjrigsby2231
I mostly agree, only some titles are to much of a clickbait.
It could be that an infant has to be slain. It's a horrible act that someone would be uncomfortable to talk about, and it would explain why Harry became horcrux. It happened because the killing curse was used on him. I think it was the intent to kill an infant that caused it to happen. Intent has always been important with curtain dark magic like the torture curse.
Wasn't there a pair of eyes in the picture windows of the locket when it was opened? Could these have been Tom Riddles eyes?
Actually in order to create a horcrux or should I say multiple times, the wizard would have to do increasingly depraved actions, attempting to kill a baby was terrible enough to create one, but the process on Harry wasn't complete which is why it was undone.
If a Horcrux were a sentient being, such as Nagini or Harry, would it be possible for a Horcrux to create a Horcrux themselves? If so, how wokld that affect the original creator of the Horcrux? And which soul would be split, the fragment of the original wizard or the soul of the Horcrux?
As mentioned it is a multistep process. We can infer 3 rough steps.
1. Preparing the vessel.
2. Damaging your soul through murder.
3. Extracting the damaged piece and placing it in the vessel.
for further details lets factor in what else we know. It needs to be something most people would never do, creating sufficient barrier to justify how little its used. And Harry's attempted murder needs to check not all boxes but enough. yet other situations need to check less to no boxes.
Step 2 is pretty simple. The murder needs to have no purpose, so use, unnecessary and cold. Are there other criteria? Mayhaps the person needs to be defenseless? Either way it doesn't really change our knowledge.
Step 1 could involve anything. I like your theory about involving blood of the wizard. IT would create a bond, ready to incorporate the soul as well as be a price to pay.
Now for the third step. while murder damages your soul, we have seen other characters in the series do it and it would be a too common occurence to be sufficient enough on its own. Therefore i believe murder taints your soul, causing cracks, but you need to complete the break yourself. Like cutting glass where you create a breaking point by cutting, and then need to get some pliers and manually break it off. Intentionally harming yourself, as it must be an excruciating pain, would scare most people off. Now as for Harry, he would need to check enough boxes for the accidental horcrux to survive, and yet still be different enough from the real horcruxes. I think the big difference is that Harry as the 'vessel' was not prepared, yet the soul fragment still survived. Defenseless Lilly counts as a murder, Voldemort's death was sufficient enough to complete the splitting of the pieces (due to its already fragile state requiring less force). And yet the fragment shouldnt have survived for 17 years. The other half of the soul, which would later regain the body, did not survive in living things for long. Why did it in Harry?
In my opinion this correlates with what made Wormtail's temporary body so horrible. The component that helped the soul fragment last must be similar. Now the temp body was small, infant like. Harry was a baby. The ritual somehow involves the sacrifice of a baby. be it baby's blood, their body or its murder. It involves harming a baby, which would tie back to tales about evil witches using babies in rituals, killing or eating them. Harry as an existing baby was close enough to sustain the soul, and the already formed bond persisted as he grew so it lasted. Harming babies, the most innocent of us, is a huge restriction for most. Same as with the unicorn, whose innocence makes it so potent for extending voldemort-quirrel-fusion's life. Harming a baby as well as self-mutilation and enduring what must be immense pain, would turn away but the most evil. Two different kinds of prices, the people who would pay both are very few.
Can we just all agree voldemort is probably a cannibal 🤷♂️ come on man its been hinted at for years now
When you said the first one was created in greece I was reminded instantly of the movie Dr. Sleep where they hint that one of them has been alive since the time of ancient Greece or Rome and the way they do it is by torturing people with the shining and like eating their essence and then killing them and it keeps them alive. I was instantly reminded of that.
At this point, I gonna believe JKR just never thought about the details of her books and just reacted along whenever people question something
Probably something along the lines of severe self harm or even mutilation post murder in a somewhat poetic symbolism of 'splitting of self'
❤ Awesome as always thanks
Tom's physical appearance was modified by his own will, so that is discarded.
As JKR said, it was the part about Voldemort returning what made the editor almost vomit, the part of the desecrated bone ("bone of the father unwillingly given" is the line, so I guess that sums it up), by that I assume it has to do with corpses, must for sure be eating parts of the corpse of his victims, because if you are talking about avoiding death, you are talking about necromancy, and necromancy is related to manipulating corpses (most of people that were convicted for necromancy were the predecessors of the "doctors" we have today, the church didn't want people to manipulate dead bodies, so when those medicine people started trying to see what is inside of the body - for that they used corpses - they were called necromancers because they "desecrated" a corpse, which was forbidden by the church, the body was seen at that time as a vessel for the soul).
I would say on top of murder you would have to draw a circle from the victims blood and then while the item is inside the circle you would have to remove a part of your body that is important to you. The same piece of flesh can't be used for another one. An example would be you can't make one from each toe as a toe has already been used before. There is standing for this when he is brought back to life and Peter cuts off his finger to make the body. It would also explain why Harry was a imperfect horcrux. He didn't draw the circle from Lilly's blood even though her blood was around the crib and the death spell did damage to him. It would also explain why he had no nose as he had cut off that part to make a horcrux.
Her blood was around the crib ? He killed Lily with the killing curse , it doesn't cause any physical injuries .
Yes but minus the blood of the victim bc the riddles were mysteriously dead with no cause which means voldy didn’t use blood
I wonder if part of it uses something with manipulating the soul and parts of the body with connection or some ritual involving the Qlippoth (Mystical Tree of Death). You see this in magic and the occult sometimes. Though moreso the Sephirot, which are associated with the tree of life.
Wait how did dumbledor ban the teaching of horcruxes and then later in the chamber of secrets when tom riddles book is found and destroyed dumbledor had to look into it and research because he didn’t know at the time what kind of magic it was. If he banned the teaching or topic at hogwarts shouldn’t he have been able to tell the signs or traits associated with a horcrux? Other spells seem to have certain ways of telling what kind of spell was used if not the exact spell.
The concept of immortality and soul preservation has been used before, initially in the creature named Lich, who would place its soul in a phyllactery and it would come to life everytime as long as the soul inside that object was safe. Harry Potter writer took the idea from there as the similarities are uncanny. It's just a matter of searching how a lich places its soul in a phyllactery, and there you have your theory.
Okay, hear me out.
Cannibalism may be abhorrent but its not too far removed from a werewolf such a Greyback eating part of a person.
In my opinion the only real thing that seems to be waaay too horrible to be included in the HP universe is something.. sexual in nature.
I really wouldn't put it past JKR to think of something like that
So then that would make Voldemort a lich....horcrux and phlactory sound like the same thing....both house a soul both have horrific steps in the creation process.
Pretty much, the main difference is that one houses a complete soul and the other houses an incomplete soul. Well, that and liches in D&D automatically respawn a body in the area nearby their phylactery within 10 days, meanwhile a Horcrux user needs to make a new body manually each time, and seems to even need outside help to do so, with no limit on how long that could take. Third and final difference I can determine is that the Horcrux user gets a new living body while the Lich's new body is just as corpse-like as the one that was destroyed.
@@TankredEndures soo your saying mr no nose is just a worse and way less impressive lich
@@mrperfectjeff Depends, tbh I'm not sure which I would prefer. Like, if you have enough loyal followers the manual respawn isn't THAT bad in exchange for a living body. How important is it to you that your penis still works all throughout your immortality? Liches are just magical skeletons with maybe some mummified skin still hanging on, they got all their bones but can't get any boners. It's a tough call.
I always assumed you ate a piece of dead person that you have just killed. Alternatively, possibly being physically intimate with the body.
Both of those things would left marks on the bodies, so no.
If the creation of a horcrux is connected to Harry being an unintended horcrux it may be that it involved two deaths: the murdered person and someone that loves that person. The item is prepared by the death of the person who loves the victim, and the intentional murder splits the soul as it destroys two people connected through love.
Since Lilly sacrificed herself prepped harry as the receiving party, but the curse rebounded and killed off what's left of voldy, which being not able to die and being broken or shattered latched onto Harry, which by way of ancient magic was also protected from the evil influence of the horcrux, mostly. The scar hurt now and then so the protection wasn't 100%.
I'm not sure if the creation of the other horcruxes can be linked to dual murders though.
I can imagine that the murder of ones loved ones are too difficult to even contemplate, hence the reluctance of JKR to talk about. She must've been in a very dark place herself to weave this in her story.
Anyone ever wonder if the whole thing is just advertising? Skeptical that any "oh so he does X" would make someone vomit unless it was graphically described, unlikely, or the person had a stomach bug that day (or throws up over anything). Although that said blood being connected would make sense. Would dove tail into the idea some have suggested that vampires in HP are people who screwed up the horcrux ritual.
There are many instances of things being in threes in Harry Potter: the Tale of 3 Brothers, 3 Deathly Hallows, 3 wand cores, Harry owned 3 broomsticks (toy as a toddler, Firebolt, Nimbus 2000), 3 'official' students and 3 tests for the Triwizard Tournament, the golden trio Harry/Ron/Hermione, the Slytherin trio of Malfoy/Crabbe/Goyle, 3 unforgivable curses, the Three Broomsticks, etc.
But there's only two instances of blood magic - once when V used Harry's blood to get him his body and once when Dumbledore used his blood to enter the cave. This leads me to believe it should be some type of blood magic that's used to create a horcrux. How it's done is still a mystery.
Gives an all new meaning to name Death Eaters now doesn’t it.😋
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Maybe what is devoured instead, actually, is the soul of the victim. Maybe he went down the Dementor route! Or their very soul is devoured by his bit, in order to get a more complete-ish "backup". If there were no marks on the bodies, then maybe that is, cause what makes the ritual gruesome is not physical. But rather gruesome from a spiritual perspective. At least on the side of the sacrifice. It could still be gross on the side of the performer of the ritual.
The editor had a weak stomach for sure.
I think that the process of murdering someone in that way connects the torn piece of the soul to the victim. To make it a hocrox i think the wizard needs to take a specific piece of the victim ond make a potion that would have to be embedded in the object or person that becomes the hocrox.
If I'm correct that means Nagini swallowed that potion.
In fact it's quiet logical and not something new: from some Celtic warriors until some Polynesia's tribe death ceremonies until the very XXth century, used to consume human flesh to gain the essence of the deceased and, as the ritual in the Graveyard, Voldemort was well verse in Old Magick so it stands quiet possible.
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Would you not consider the ability to have his mind shattered and infiltrated by his darkest enemy a curse? What of the cursemark on his forehead that literally burns in the presence of Voldemort or when the Dark Lord feels any sort of extreme emotion? These are indeed curses. One could argue boons, as well, but it's easily arguable not so much when we consider the circumstances surrounding the death of Sirius Black.
I believe that, in order to make a horcrux, moldy old Voldy had to gleefully and intentionally kill an innocent victim, with no remorse, malice or compassion. In other words, he didn't hate the victims and didn't have any reason to hate the victims, but, he still enjoyed hurting and killing them. They were simply playthings to Voldy, used and discarded like broken toys, just disposable ingredients for his spell. I can't think of anything more heinous than having that attitude towards another human being, especially an innocent one. But, before he killed them, he had to do something else. The next part is gross, processed with caution...
Prior to the murderous part of the ritual, I think that he'd have had to consume 2 specific things from his victims, as part the ritual to create the horcrux. It's likely that both of these items would need to be consumed while the victim was still alive. The first would be blood, the victim's blood, because life is in the blood, and it's part of so many ancient rituals. In addition, the victim's eyes, which are the windows of the soul, would, I think, need to be consumed. He could've then regrown the person's eyes with magic, and possibly even replenished the blood, in order to cover his tracks. I'm sure there would be other elements involved, but these are the most horrible that I could think of.
But… didn’t Voldemort also kill James, in the same house, right before murdering Lily, and then attempting to kill Harry? Why didn’t James’ murder also create a horcrux? Why didn’t *every* murder Voldemort committed end up sharding off a piece of his soul?
I would argue that Lily’s death created the blood protection in Harry due to the PURITY of her mother’s love for him… and it may have been James’ death that actually created the soul shard.
Or was it when the spell backfired on Harry that caused the sharding, because murdering a child (as opposed to an adult) is so heinous that THAT is what sharded his soul again - unintentionally. I mean, maybe Voldemort thought he had it in him to kill an innocent child, but deep down he knew it was truly morally unjustifiable.
I have an interesting theory about Voldemort wand and Harry. That when extreme magic is deflected the wand changes its loyalty. So Voldemort’s wand recognized Harry as his equal. So when Harry got his wand the brother core of Voldemort’s wand. They hurt but not kill each other. So Harry also had the core of both wand’s loyalty.
Considering the mysterious nature of Horcruxes, I created an idea.
My idea is as follows: the spell to separate your soul and preparing the vessel takes a long time, months or even years and it's extremely difficult, fatal if done incorrectly.
I believe the creator uses the murder and harvests the victims soul, containing it to the vessel and when the creators soul is put into the vessel, the creators soul uses the victims soul as food for eternity. Once the creators soul harvests the victims soul and keeps them trapped, unable to move so it can feed. You rob the victim of an afterlife, and the creator robs them selves of an afterlife. Through the cruelty and suffering of the victims soul, it used in the most horrific way.
Now that's my theory purely based on my imagination but literallycreatedmy magic lore book of my own beliefs, really thought about, did some research and Philosophy. Some real though and imagination. But it all uses some elements of cannibalism and possibly there is some self mutilation of the victim, great sacrifice for greater power. Although you imagine the people used to create a Horcrux like that suffering is pretty horrific. I also think it pairs with Avada Kedavra. I believe AK works by ripping the soul from the body, thus causing death. But Horcruxes tether you. So they both used in combination, one severs the tether of the soul, one anchors and combined, you are able to cheat death and be immortal.
There could be of course various potions and ingredients such as blood (user and victims), Unicorn blood, Polyjuice, Liquid luck, draught of the living dead or combined through charms, alchemy and necromancy.
Basic instruction on my medthod:
1: Vessel to contain soul. Lots of magic poured in, like the one ring. This would explain why few things except, Basilisk venom and Fiendfyre can harm it. The sheer concentration of magic gives it, for a lack of a better word, impenetrable armour.
2. Soul separating spell. Pain ripping of soul and anchoring to vessel
3. Soul Harvesting spell. Keep victims soul earthbound and confine with a spell to vessel.
4. AK and Soul tethering lore used to understand and therefore break and suspend laws of death.
5. Possible cannibalism. To increase power.
6. Possible self-sacrifice. Mutilation. Think HalfBlood Prince. You pay with blood and/or flesh.
7. Creation. No room for error. If successful you have a Horcrux.
-Failure, of course, painfully fatal. Maybe shreds your soul or disintegrates it, Force you into limbo for eternity.
Horcruxes are dark, this is only for education purposes.
This a theory I have toyed with, and it's pure imaginative speculation on my part, but was based on the importance of souls in Harry Potter, which I have coin the term Soul Lore, and Curse Lore and of course Horcrux Lore, which I am throwing out into the Wizarding World. Hopefully they will catch on. Stay magical everyone. ⚡️
It could be that infanticide is also part of it. Voldemort intended to live forever so fathering a child to use it in such a ritual would be something he'd do and would make most everyone else sick.
I have heard a theory that one of the steps involves kissing the dead person's corpse. It might explain why the bodies had no marks; however, I do like the idea that it involves using the horcrux creator's .blood in some manner.
After hearing this I imagined something like the "aristocrats" joke by Gilbert Gottfried, but with magic and not incest.
Here is my theory of what the likely Horcrux creation ritual is. While cannibalism theory seems like the worst, I think the real reason decent humans find it horrible and grotesques is because it involves defiling the victim body. Using that as a core, the likely ritual may not involve cannibalism:
1. First, the caster needs an object as an anchor, which is the diadem, the locket, or Nagini for Voldemort's case. This is the 1st ingredient.
2. The object alone cannot anchor or bind the fragment of soul. The natural substance to bind a human soul is a human body. So the caster needs a human, specifically murdered by them in order to assert domination. The body of the murdered victim acts as the 2nd ingredient.
3. Invoke a powerful transfiguration where a part of the object and a part of the victim body (the heart, or maybe more grotesques, the head) are taken out, transfigured into each other's shape and appearance, then reattached into each other's position where they are taken out. The transfiguration is so powerful that it is impossible that revert the transfigured parts back to their original shape and appearance.
4. During the process of the transfiguration, a fragment of the caster's soul is taken out and attach to the victim body part that is taken out and transfigured. This is possible as the soul fragment can attach to the human body part (the natural substance to bind soul) that the caster have murdered. That human body part is now part of the object, which successfully becomes the anchor of soul.
5. Symbolically after the ritual, 3 things have been defiled but look normal in plain sight: The anchor object, the victim body, and the caster soul (maybe because it cannot be seen).
Just to add on: this theory may explain why the Grey Lady is so upset about the diadem being defiled with dark magic. I mean, if the result is just a soul fragment attached to it, she may think of it as a decoration. But now imagine your mother's jewellery has a human body as part of it... Gross
@@petervo224 good theory but i think it would be noticeable and the victims of voldis horcrux creation were examined by both muggle doctors and wizzards alike and "didn't show any signs of trauma and in perfect health except for the fact that they were dead." and as dumby once said: magic always leaves a trace. i feel like someone would have noticed if something like that would have been done to the victim. i think it's more likely that the creator does the horrible thing to themselves.
think about the process of becomming an animagus. it's a stupidly long process were you have to carry a mandrake leaf in your mouth for one full month from full moon to full moon. If you swallow the leaf or remove it from your mouth at any point, you have to start the whole thing again. You then have to find a ‘small crystal phial that receives the pure rays of the moon’, put your saliva-filled leaf inside, and add one of your own hairs.
Add a silver teasspoon of dew from a place that neither sunlight nor human feet have touched for a full seven days. And if that wasn’t hard enough, you then have to add the chrysalis of a Death’s-head Hawk Moth to the crystal phial as well. Then put ‘this mixture in a quiet, dark place’ and leave it alone until the next electrical storm. And really leave it alone - don’t even look at it. Don’t even think about looking at it.
While waiting for the transfiguation to begin you must place your wand tip over your heart every sunrise and sundown and speak the following incantation: ‘Amato Animo Animato Animagus’. If you keep repeating your incantation, ‘there will come a time when, with the touch of the wand-tip to the chest, a second heartbeat may be sensed.’ Don’t change anything! Keep going. Keep waiting for that storm!
As soon as lightning appears in the sky go to the place where you’ve hidden your crystal phial. At last! If you’ve done everything right then you will ‘discover a mouthful of blood-red potion inside it.’ Then move somewhere where you aren’t going to alarm anyone or place yourself in physical danger during your transformation. An Animagus transformation party is definitely a bad idea.
Place your wand-tip against your heart and speak the incantation ‘Amato Animo Animato Animagus’ and drink the potion. You will then feel fiery pain - lucky you - and an intense double heartbeat.
The shape of the creature into which you will shortly transform will appear in your mind. The instructions then warn: ‘You must show no fear/ It is too late now, to escape the change you have willed’. Yikes!
When your transformation is complete you are strongly advised to pick up your wand and hide it somewhere safe, so you can find it post-transformation. To return to human form, visualise your human self as clearly as you can. Don’t worry if you don’t change back immediately, ‘with practice, you will be able to slip in and out of your animal form at will, simply by visualising the creature’. Once you’re an advanced Animagus, you should be able to transform without your wand.
This is the bullshit that she described the process to be. so yeah. i don't neccessarily think the process has to be disgusting right then and there or that it is a short kind of deal done on the spot. maybe it requires months worth of preparation and a bazillion disgusting things that could be done in that time.
It was important deaths used to make horcruxes. Seems, toms grandparents death for the ring, but the diary...Myrtles? Opportunistic for that one? I assumed it was murder of innocents that caused soul to crack. Not thru self defense or defense of others but killing those who cant fight back. Cold blooded murder. And having something to hold the part of soul prepared before hand. The diary, the ring, the diadem. Items that meant something very important. If blood, maybe his own? Dont think he would trust other peoples blood. He never ultimately trusted anyone. Only he knew of the horcruxes......or so he believed.
I got to wonder if his mother would have lived would he turned out this way
I don't think so!
I am not sure how much of a Lich Rowling knew about, but you know, she could have made Voldemort a whole lot stronger and terrifying, because his Horcruxes made him the master of death. I mean that. I mean like, the stronger the Horcruxes got, the better he got. It meant that his power, abilities, intelligence and skill would increase every few hours. He would have gained new abilities too, fly, grim reaper powers, harvest souls, master of life and death, invulnerability, cross between realms, create portals, defy all logic, heal, re-generation, spellcasting, manipulate reality, have frightening gaze, control hoards, raise the dead, create acid, unholy powers.
No wonder Voldemort was frightening. He transformed into a living skeleton, as he gave up his body to succumb to the dark side in the scary way possible. The horcrux anchor him in place, as they feed on the trapped souls inside (gory), but like he has become master of death. He became unstoppable, until the Horcruxes were destroyed. According to the lore, the horcruxes would have died out anyway if it wasn't fed anymore souls, but destroying the objects helped set people free anyway.
Voldemort a total boogymonster of the magical world relied heavily on the dark arts to propel him to new untold heights and from there, it became easier to create Horcruxes. Since at first, you have to create the worst things possible, but over time, it became easier, as his new powers sort of helped broke the barrier between realms. According to what I found and others have succeeded, that he made a figure like a Succumb where he preyed on vulnerable people at thier worst time, lived inside them as an incubator until it was time to burst forth to complete the ritual. Since he was good at non verbal spells, he didn't need help. One of the reasons he got his body back anyway. (Not like where he attach himself to Quirrell as punishment), but a different thing.
I had the thought the part of it might be doing something literally blasphemous. The entire process already is, but I mean some sort of declaration in the spell because you are defying the natural order of life.
I mean we’ve seen Voldemort consume unicorn blood which all the more proves he’s capable of cannibalism if thats the case
How did he make the horcrux out of inanimate objects?
Sooooo.......16yo Riddle ate Moaning Myrtle's heart? Ew.
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the darkest and foul things I can think of that goes beyond normal evil... you must violate and desecrate the dead body thoroughly. Chances are, when moaning myrtle was found, she was violated post mortem. like not only did Tom eat part of her, he ate her and necrophiled, wizzed on and took any cash she had on her. This will live rent free in your head forever, especially when you think that his next victims for horcuxes were his father and grandparents, the emensly obese old Hepzibah Smith, the old muggle Frank Bryce (as a scary demon baby that was most likely Bertha Jorkins aborted fetus, because she may have been stupid, but she was also easy, why else would she go walking in the wilderness with a strange man? trust me, Voldamort's existence is vanta black dark) and two others that aren't documented. The cup(or locket) and the diadem don't have death's tagged to them, but we do have a rough idea of when they were turned into horcruxes assuming he put them in their hiding pliaces shortly after crating them. He intentionally created SIX horcruxes, not seven. Harry was the unintentional sixth horcrux who, ironically was supposed to be used for creating the sixth one. Negini was his sixth intentional one.
I think they need to not just take a piece of their soul, but a piece of their own physical body. To even take it one grotesque step further, the eat their own part of their body. It’s beyond cannibalism. It’s self cannibalism. You really have to be committed.
Now that is very clever indeed. So Voldemort might not have been evil from the beginning. But he wanted to become immportal. And to achieve that you NEED to become evil to be able to split your soul.
Voldemorts new body is very likely Bertha Jorkins unborn baby. This is likely also canon as it is never explicitly stated that a snake was used for his new body.
I would say it’s either necrophelia or you have to cut off parts of your body and sacrifice or consume them.
My money would be on 'Child sacrifice' A 'purely innocent soul' was needed...
It would explain the pure evil required to commit the act with 'no regret or remorse', It would also explain Harry.
As Voldemort attacked harry, He would have preformed part of the ritual 'The death of a 'pure innocent soul' splitting his soul, However when his spell backfired killing Voldemort the shard of his soul entered the only living being in the vicinity, Harry.
This cannibalism thing doesn't fit with the creation of the horcrux of Marvolo Gaunts Ring by Tom Riddle junior killing Tom Riddle senior (as well as Tom Riddle jnr's paternal grandmother/grandfather). The police report in The Goblet of Fire states:
"None of the Riddles had been poisoned, stabbed, shot, strangled, suffocated or harmed at all. In fact, the Riddles all appeared to be in perfect health - apart from the fact that they were all dead. Each of the Riddles had a look of terror upon his or her face."
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In my opinion, what most people ignore is the role of religion in her sources of inspiration. You see religious themes repeated in the series. I believe it’s blood that is the horrific part, not cannibalism.
A sort of reverse Dorian Gray then? Blood, and human being strongest, is one of the most powerful magical elements. JK proved this any number of times and even introduced magical creatures' blood to her lexicon.
Tbh it just literally seems like the horcrux process is actually more psychologically brutal and dark than an actual ritual itself. Since we know Harry is a horcrux that was never meant to be made, it would have made sense for the process to not be as physically grotesque but mentally scarring and horrific for the user itself with murder setting up as a catalyst for a prepared item or person if necessary.
If we are to get to the bottom of this, we must examine what we know.
Step 1: Prepare the object - This is apparently done by means of a spell.
Step 2: Deliberate, cold blooded murder
Step 3: Something horrifying.
Steps 1 and 2 are simple enough, but that third step is the part that is actually in question. One important thing to remember, however, is that whatever is involved is not merely horrifying to the average person, but to dark wizards/witches. Essentially, we need something so awful that Bellatrix Lestrange wouldn't do it. Considering that she thinks that murder and torture are fun, that doesn't leave a whole lot off the table. Cannibalism? Does anyone really think she'd be above that? Blood magic? Likewise, not something she's likely to shy away from.
I don't really have an answer, other than to say that I think Rowling doesn't have one either. I think she just wanted to make it something awful, and realized that what the readers imagine will likely be more awful (to them) than anything she might write.
I think the cannibalism theory is correct but obviously he doesn’t need to eat the person that caused the soul split. Who knows, he might carry around human jerky all the time.
I think the nausea and vomiting would have been a little over the top, it's nasty seeing someone vomit.
How rare are Unicorns? Or another magical creatures? It is said that Acromantulas or at least their venom is really rare.... But in Chamber of Secrets there Are hundreds of them.... So how it actually is?
Extracting acromantula venom is incredibly dangerous, most people won’t attempt to take it from a living one and dead ones are quickly eaten by their colony. On the odd occasion somebody succeeds, one acromantula only contains so much venom. This means that there is a limited amount of venom in the market = high value.
@@danjknott yeah but there Are other creatures And in just interested how it is overall, acromantula was just for example
I think you have to eat part of YOUR SELF, to create a horcrux, to show just how determined you are to gain immortality
The book never mentioned a disgusting ritual it just said that you had to take a life to create a horocrux and isn't murder horrible enough? I think some people jump to conclusions without enough evidence.
Remember, in the Sorcerer/Phiilosopher's Stone, Voldemort/Quirrell is in the Forbidden Forest consuming Unicorn blood. It's entirely possible imo.
sometimes stories can go too close to reality. never ever read about this stuff it will scar your mind and cause a nervous mental break
My own little theory is that Rowling never wrote Harry Potter but was simply the public face. To be honest, I never looked into things to prove it but still an interesting thought for fun lol
If Voldemort needed to eat his victims to make a Horcrux, then how did he inadvertently make Harry a Horcrux? Also, when he murdered his dad he created a Horcrux, I believe, and his father was found dead but not eaten.
Cannibalism is pretty softcore. A combination of starvation and offering food for "favors" is where it's at
Even though he wanted to live forever the trade off was that of himself. He experienced the "delete-self" 🤐feelings when doing so.
I imagine the FIRST Horcrux was so dangerous as a hesitation with the "delete-self" would not do along side a hesitation to murder. Heaven forbid you make a single spelling 🎇error during all that 😆.
I know what it is, mass consumption of Funyuns. Those things are truly vomit inducing.
What if you didnt kill the unicorn just drained some blood through a needle?
If you have no consent then you're cursed and they're known to not let just anyone close. Even then, chances are it wouldn't be enough.
@KxNOxUTA maybe but get some blood isolate the magical compound and just make some on my own is what I would do if I was and alchemist lol
Nope. A horcrux was created in Harry when voldy tried to kill him in godrics hollow, no cannibalism needed
They explicitly said that the case of Harry is no example cause it was accidental and incomplete. So why are you bringing it up as if it's the prime example? Did you even listen to this whole thing?