Thank you this is help me a lot I'm definitely gonna take what you have said on board and stay away from chin-ups with the bar and probably implement some straps.
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Elbow pain is a bitch. I've also found neutral grip chin ups to work wonders as well as adding ring support holds and sufficient tricep development in the overhead position :)
Im was progressing really good with my pull ups but all of the sudden my left elbow started hurting and couldnt do much pull ups anymore because of the pain, i could work tru the pain but i know its not a good idea.
Had golfers elbow for years, it was terrible, I couldn't even open door handles. I Tried everything to get rid of it. In the end it was when i started doing deadlifts of all things that it started improving. Double overhand and a weight that would test my grip. I'm not sure if it was my improving grip strength or just getting more blood into my forearms that helped but this was the only thing that worked for me in 5 years of actively trying many different approaches and seeing many different physiotherapists. Good luck anyone suffering from it.
This makes perfect sense! Current research suggests that the most effective treatment for tendinopathy is rest and slow heavy excercise. I have struggled to find a good way to go slow, controlled and heavy with this specific injury. Working with wrist or elbow flexion/extension typically aggravates the problem (no matter what the research says). I haven´t thought of trying straight arm neutral or prontated gripping. Will be testing this. Thanks :)
alexander flame I wonder if the extended arm use of the tendons helped as well. time was when I did lots of KBs and chinups/pullups, when my kb weight went up, my golfer's elbow went away and pretty much stayed away, when I've done fewer deads or KBs, it would creep back in.
Oh wow, this makes a lot of sense actually. I recently started climbing a lot and took away my deadlifting days. Now I'm suffering from golfer's elbow. I need to go back and add deadlifts back into my program.
I've stopped doing pull-ups for a full year now and my golfer's elbow still hasn't healed.... overtraining is a real thing make sure you let your tendons and muscles heal.
There are many factors in ways to treat tennis elbow. One plan I found which succeeds in merging these is the Trevs Remedy Tactic (check it out on google) definately the most useful resource that I have ever seen. Check out the unbelievable information .
Thank you for the advice !! I am experiencing golfers elbow right now and this has been very helpful. I love how calmly you speak makes it so easy to follow and understand.
My own experience: I've started to feel the pain regularly (say, everyday) when decided to abruptly increase the amount of pull-up/chin-up SETS in a workout (say, from 3-4 to 6-8 or even 10). The problem was (as I understood later) that *the PULLING MOTION* (like in pull-ups, chin-ups, deadhang, etc.) in my workout routine *wasn't balanced with the PUSHING MOTION* (like in push-ups, dips, handstand, handstand push-ups, etc.). Joints and tendons require careful approach we often don't provide. So, I cut my pull-up/chin-up sets to just 2 plus 2 sets of deadhang, and balanced it with 2 sets of dips plus 2 sets of static handstand. And BOOM, after months of pain, it just evaporated in days.
Honestly I just stopped working out, couldn't handle it anymore but elbows still bugging me! Think I'll give your method a try and do some light sets! 🤞
@@vot3r Also: - the best explanation of the problem: ua-cam.com/video/XXjaCsUlrZs/v-deo.html (also from Jeff: ua-cam.com/video/2_1ylJ-9twY/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/S_93yIKub98/v-deo.html ) - short preventive and treatment routine: ua-cam.com/video/kIYDcsOpnyE/v-deo.html - plus, I think we as cali guys lack balanced forearm training, thus we need to do a bit of curls, pinch grips etc. (e.g., ua-cam.com/video/eiOp3hxJVkw/v-deo.html)
@@bewarethefuryofapatientman woah i feel like this is part of my golfers elbow. i didnt get pain with a straight bar crossfit rig. but i got pain from a new gym that had more girth pull up station. after my 5 pull i can still get in more but i grip gives way causing me to hang from the the tips. which id say is from the forth finger! .amazing i think i should have to train my grip and forearms and lift from the index finger. thanks man
I’m doing mainly (probably only…) pushing movements all of my life. I knew that i need to balance it but I didn’t do it. Now i have golfer’s elbow from a little movement during the day, pushing something couple of times and I’m in pain that increases and increases. I stopped training hard handstands this days and changed it to mainly surfing. But I’m going to try to do pulling exercises now to balance maybe my muscular ‘pushing’ system that is much more developed that the pulling… Thank you 🙏 If you have any recommendations for exercises or balanced routine I’ll be happy to do that :)
Very good video. I am actually starting to feel the onset of this particular injury...so thanks! Please post more of these. Your explanations are more thorough and professional than your competition.
A week of rest, completely. Since then I've only done a few supersets of lightweight bicep curls and wrist extensions in the 30-50 rep range. It has helped immensely. Thanks Daniel!
Absolutely Really important and useful to talk about injury prevention and managment Looking forwards to see more for safe and longlasting training Thanks!
Thanks for another great video Daniel. I suffered from outer elbow pain while doing chin-ups with a supinated grip, and rope climbs. I took a cue from Overcoming Gravity with RICE therapy and gradually went back to it as you say in your video. This happened about 2-3 times, but has lessoned over time after doing more band assisted warm ups and wrist stretching and with grip training/ hangs, like you have noted in your previous videos and now is not really an issue.
@FitnessFAQs Thanks for another great video! Your videos are always very informative and motivating! I wondered if you could answer the following: 1) With golfer’s elbow, is it generally advisable to make any changes to pushing exercises? ie. should we stop doing hand stands, ring push ups, dips etc? 2) Did you get any benefit from doing "rehab" exercises or eccentric type stuff? 3) I only use rings, but I think this problem started when I started trying to train my false grip. I will probably stop false grip for a while, but do you have any advice for progressing very gradually towards false grip? Your knowledge and expertise is really appreciated. Thanks a lot!
I actually have a tendinopathy, i've loved this video ! Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I've had a lot of injuries by the past, i'd love to see more of this kind of videos !
Thank you so much for this video. I have recently come down with golfers elbow, and your description of the symptoms is right on to what i am feeling. I am on my 4th day of relative rest. My problem started with straight bar pulls ups but since i do a lot of climbing/white water kayaking/spring board diving, it slowly became aggravated. So its good to hear that you recommend about a month of relative rest, because it means i can still do some paddling and easy climbing. Looking forward to getting back to the swing of things come Sept or Oct
Thanks man appreciate the upload and will definitely give the rings a shot because Ive been dealing with this tendon issue for a while now but love training to much to stop
Great video, very helpful and useful advice. When I first developed intense tendon pain in my elbows and wrists from high volume training in pull ups and dips a couple of years back, I basically had to do what you suggested: cut back on training intensity, volume and frequency; and I discovered neutral pull ups loaded the tendons much less too. I still have the elbows flaring up now and then, but am using different grip variations and training programs to forestall or at least ease the pain. And I really need to get serious about training on Rings! But while we can find workarounds for Pull exercises, I find it really hard to train around wrist and elbow tendon pain when it comes to Push exercises. I train Push using primarily dips and pushup exercises (switched to bodyweight-only training after a slipped disc operation 3 years ago), and when my wrists and elbows act up, I find that I have to back off and basically lay off my Push training until the joints recover, which could take weeks to a month. Do you have any advice on Push exercise variations we can try while working through wrist/elbow pain? Appreciate your help!
Thank you! This has been a problem for me. I am relatively new to calisthenics, plus middle age. I have noticed soreness in the area, specially after harder pull-up workouts. I will be following your recommendations!
Hey Daniel ! First of all what another great Video with informative content !! Just wanted to mention that more videos of this kind are really appreciated by me and a couple of friends ! i would love to hear more about foot structure and dysfunction as it translates up the kinetic chain. its not easy to find quality free content on those issues on the internet .. cheers ! keep up the good work :)
Great stuff Daniel, thanks. Please do a video about off-loading the stress on the wrists as well, especially the one that is caused by handstand training.
Really helpful video Dan. I have been suffering with golfer's elbow from supinated grip straight bar chins over the past few months. I would wake up with real tenderness the next day. Doing my pull ups on the rings has really helped and also just doing pull ups with a pronated grip when on the straight bar. Also, to reduce hand grip tension I have reverted to a fingers only hook grip when doing pronated pull ups on a straight bar so all of your advice here applies from what I have been experiencing. Videos like this advising on anatomy and such are great by the way, tank you.
One of the best Fitness Channels on YT so far... watch this and "calimove" and you basically have the knowledge to train with perfect form. I had this problem too, not very intensively, but it was there. Causes: Weighted Pull-ups and hard variations such as Archer Pull-ups and explosive Pull-ups, combined with wrist and forearm training after doing the pull exercises. Everything on a straight bar. Symptoms: Not noticeable while training, but directly after and maybe the next morning / day after a training session. "Cured" mostly within a day. Work-Around: -extended warm-up of wrists, elbows, shoulders -decreased volume (1 to 2 sessions per week) -decreased intensity while training -filming myself and slowing down while exercising in order to... -keep a good form (correct elbow position, keeping wrists in a neutral position) -extended stretching That worked for me pretty well, and I once again realized how damn important your form actually is... Probably the most crucial thing in every kind of sport.
You explained my symptoms word for word. Even the written comment that it eases once warmed up and it feels worse the next day. The strange case I have is that I first started a very very basic calisthenics workout routine nearly 1 year ago that only went for a few weeks. At that time I bought a new house, renovated it and had a new baby. So mu workout was put on hold completely. At some stage in that few weeks of basic training I started getting the elbow pain and annoyingly it has never gone away. Seems odd as it was far from being a continuous use injury but it is word for word exactly what you explained and no one has been able to explain it like that so far. I have finally started my new calisthenics routine about 5 weeks ago and this is a much more serious workout routine following the push, pull, legs/core methods. Last week I started doing a lot of the mobility exercises you showed in your video with the resistance band and the light dumbbell and I hope this helps me. Further more I already have a set of gymnastic rings on the way in the mail, so it's good to hear that they helped you out. I really hope they do the same for me.
Been watching a lot of your videos and the information you give is very insightful. Its brilliant your researching and applying everything your doing to your teaching thanks for this information mate, it means I can use other techniques in hope to avoid this injury. Hopefully on your next tour to Europe I can come along :) Ricky from the U.K.
Really enjoy your calm and deliberate explanations and particularly liked your explanation of what happens in the tendons, the disorganized matrix, helps me visualize how important it is to take care of pain messages when they start and not just "live with it". The occasional elbow pain I get is on the outside of the elbow joint. Rest and dragging my finger tips along the tendons constantly is how I deal with it. Mostly doesn't bother me now. I'm 68 and working on one arm chins. Great video, thanks much.
Hey Danielle, for the past month or so I've had a lot of back pain. I work an office job and come home to sit on my computer as well.My lower back hurts as well as around my hips extending into the front of my body. I started doing your some of your beginner work outs, namely just your warm up video for back exercises and found it very therapeutic. It didn't surprise me to find out you were a physio. I've already begun to employ your 'back pain' video using the pole. I appreciate you. How lucky are we do receive professional advice through UA-cam?
Helpful Daniel. I've had this injury on and off for the past few years, and whenever I feel it returning, I back off of pulling for a few days, and once back on training, avoid chin-ups (as you said) and stick with wide grip pull-ups. For me, rings still do aggravate the elbow, if injury is present.
Ive had it twice from greasing the groove (overtraining). I fixed it by immediately taking two weeks off and using a theraband flexbar for rehab and an elbow brace. To prevent it, now I thoroughly warm up and only do neutral grip pullups on rings
Also used the theraband Flexbar for about 3 weeks, while continuing to do Crossfit. After 3 weeks of using the flexbar for about 3x20 reps a day, the injury was totally gone.
@@Puzzicanello Tyler Twist (Lateral Epicondylitis - Pain Outside of The Elbow) Reverse Tyler Twist (Medial Epicondylitis - Pain inside of the elbow) Both are good to do alongside one another even if you only have 1 injury :)
@@ollieb7370 Hi, my forearms feel sore/overworked after doing too many pushups and gets worse when I type (I work in IT) so overuse I think is perhaps a mix of both. Can sometimes feel tender to the touch (the area between the elbow and a bit down the upper side of the forearms). Been trying to cut back on computer use and not training for two weeks but they still feel strained/overused often, but not bad pain yet, I'm trying to prevent that from happening. Do you or anyone else recommend something I should do? I think not doing anything for more than 2 weeks isnt really productive either. Only did a bit of stretching. Thanks
Very professional content. I’ll give your ideas a go. It makes sense really. Haven’t used straps for years, at the same time it feels right to unload my grip. I’ve had tennis and golfers elbow for a long while so I’m not going to loose it that quickly. Thanks mate great content and presentation.
thank you very much for the video. I'm going through this problem now .. I feel this pain more when I do the handstands .. more the tips were excellent .. for a long time looking for videos on this topic .. congratulations for the quality of the information on the channel.
Thanks for this post. I'm working on this issue, complicated by some elbow bone spurs, currently. I'm already warming, de-loading, resting, and using massage. However, I hadn't thought to include my rings in the mix. Greatly appreciated!
I am a total beginner and right now trying my best with UA-cam videos and books - it was very helpful to hear, that joint pain is common and how to avoid it / deal with it - thank you very much!
Great video Daniel i love your channel, would the same techniques, rings etc work the same for tennis elbow? i have a long term injury i have been to lots of physio in the past but sometimes it just creeps up again from time to time?. Cheers Mike
I am almost 60 and can pull up as much as I want. It's only when I began heavily weighting them that I experienced elbow pain. Switching to an ergonomic grip made all the difference. Keep up the excellent and sound advice!
Good advice. I found avoiding the hand position as you accurately describe helps. I am still avoiding pull-ups with that hand position (palms rearward to me), hopefully it pays off, I also saw your other video stating tendants take time. I enjoy your videos and those you do with Sven, you guys are my inspiration to the fantastic world of calisthenics. Steve
I'm still dealing with golfer's elbow, but I found using straps on the pull-up bar helped take the load off the area, and stretching the wrist flexors post work-out kept the pain from coming back. The biggest improvement I saw recently was actually strengthening the antagonist muscles, the wrist extensors, with very light weight wrist extensions
Hi, I just discovered your channel and it's awesome. I've been working out for some time and I needed something new. This kind of video is interesting. Could you do another one concerning "How to fix WRIST pain from pushups" ?
I used straps when I was recovering from that. It was a bit awkward but not a problem. I heard that the best fix is eccentric arm work with substantial load.
Yes please. More on Tendonopathy. How about insertional tendonopathy on the achilles, as well.as the elbow from tricept extension, shoulder from straight bar BP & OHP. love your vids btw. You're my goto for all things fitness
Hey Daniel! Well man I have felt my elbow as you described from doing russian push ups - mostly because the transition from laying your forearms on the floor and come back to the push up position. The way I found myself improving it was by doing a super slow set of regular push up always before push exercises. I feel that is a good warm up and works for me. In the last years working out I felt that working on performing exercises very slow can strength the tendons while giving to the muscles a good challenge. That is how I have been working and how I have recovered 100% of a tendinitis that I had on my shoulder (tendon between the deltoids and biceps).
Thanks for the info. Been suffering from golfers elbow for 3 months now. I didn't feel like buying rings so I just used the handles from my perfect fitness bands and they work just the same.
This is perfect. I feel some discomfort on the right elbow when I do normal chin-ups. In my case I feel some tendon jumping (if that makes sense), not on the interior side but rather on the exterior elbow side. Not sure if it's the same the video refers to but it also goes away if I change to a neutral grip...
I've had this but I only felt pain when doing tricep extensions and back lever. I stopped doing them for a couple of weeks and it's still healing. It used to hurt in simple tasks like carrying the grocery bags. Bottom line is, don't stop working out completely. Eliminate the exercises which hurt and go from there
Thanks for the video daniel. I sometimes feel pain in my shoulders after doing pull ups, or training to achieve muscle ups. Do you have solutions to that symptoms?
Great advice! i love doing strict underhand pullups but a few weeks ago I suddenly felt the pain right where you explained in the elbow, so I will probably switch to rings or overhand for the next 2-3 months and see how it goes. Thanks
Did it work in the end? I have been doing massive amounts of underhand pullups and my golfer's elbow has destroyed me. I'm thinking hammer/neutral grip is going to be the way out from here.
Ive used différent stretchs. I go into a pushup position, keeping arm straight, wrists and hand position straight out. Keeping elbow locked out..then lean forward as in floor planch..it streatches that tenson..feels way better
Thanks-Dealing with elbow pain in both elbows. I had stopped using straps in favor of chalk-only. Looking forward to trying out that trick next training session. Hoping it helps-it’s heartbreaking to lose the gains!
Great vid. I had this problem. It is almost gone. Took it easy on some movements, plus a lot of ice pack use, and self-massage, recently with one of these percussion devices.
Great! Thanks very much for the tips! I have a question: would workout gloves work for pull-ups the same way as the straps? Would you recommend doing pull-ups with workout gloves?
I get it in my left elbow when I do dead hangs and also ab wheel rollouts. I'll try to turn my body 90 degrees when doing dead hangs so that I'll get a more neutral grip.
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Thank you this is help me a lot I'm definitely gonna take what you have said on board and stay away from chin-ups with the bar and probably implement some straps.
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Elbow pain is a bitch. I've also found neutral grip chin ups to work wonders as well as adding ring support holds and sufficient tricep development in the overhead position :)
im really really late LOL, but I tried neutral grip today and it was so much better :D
Neutral grip is what caused my elbow pain ;-; But i think it's just because my upper back is weak
@@fishfish526 I'm late too. Did neutral grip pull ups help improve it? So hard to find hammer grip pull up bars!
I’m starting to get it and I think it’s from doing skin the cats
Im was progressing really good with my pull ups but all of the sudden my left elbow started hurting and couldnt do much pull ups anymore because of the pain, i could work tru the pain but i know its not a good idea.
Had golfers elbow for years, it was terrible, I couldn't even open door handles. I Tried everything to get rid of it. In the end it was when i started doing deadlifts of all things that it started improving. Double overhand and a weight that would test my grip. I'm not sure if it was my improving grip strength or just getting more blood into my forearms that helped but this was the only thing that worked for me in 5 years of actively trying many different approaches and seeing many different physiotherapists. Good luck anyone suffering from it.
This makes perfect sense! Current research suggests that the most effective treatment for tendinopathy is rest and slow heavy excercise. I have struggled to find a good way to go slow, controlled and heavy with this specific injury. Working with wrist or elbow flexion/extension typically aggravates the problem (no matter what the research says). I haven´t thought of trying straight arm neutral or prontated gripping. Will be testing this. Thanks :)
alexander flame I wonder if the extended arm use of the tendons helped as well. time was when I did lots of KBs and chinups/pullups, when my kb weight went up, my golfer's elbow went away and pretty much stayed away, when I've done fewer deads or KBs, it would creep back in.
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Oh wow, this makes a lot of sense actually. I recently started climbing a lot and took away my deadlifting days. Now I'm suffering from golfer's elbow. I need to go back and add deadlifts back into my program.
I don't usually comment much on videos, but this video needs a hell of a thumbs up...this channel is gold
I've stopped doing pull-ups for a full year now and my golfer's elbow still hasn't healed.... overtraining is a real thing make sure you let your tendons and muscles heal.
giving up completely is not the way to go... if you were in a rehab you'd probably return very quickly
Do lightweight and see yourself heal
@@alefbrito2878 Nah I had triceps tendonisis and trust me even I still rehab since 2years it didn't go...
@@skullknight4134 I had triceps tendonitis also and with rehab it went away within a month or two. You probably did it wrong.
@@twothreeoneoneseventwoonefour5 what do you mean? How can I do it wrong? And did u still does push up and somes bodyweight workout while rehabing?
I really appreciate your advice - I am 72 years of age
and still doing bodyweight exercises A guy in NEVADA USA
Josh respect for still being active and not using age as an excuse, you're in the minority so well done!!
I just turned 71 Sep 6 2016 and Love doing body weight exercises
I plan on being healthy and living to be over 100
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So awesome :)
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There are many factors in ways to treat tennis elbow. One plan I found which succeeds in merging these is the Trevs Remedy Tactic (check it out on google) definately the most useful resource that I have ever seen. Check out the unbelievable
information .
Thank you for the advice !! I am experiencing golfers elbow right now and this has been very helpful. I love how calmly you speak makes it so easy to follow and understand.
Really helpful video, been having this issue mildy, nice to know there's a way to work around it. Thanks Daniel!
My own experience: I've started to feel the pain regularly (say, everyday) when decided to abruptly increase the amount of pull-up/chin-up SETS in a workout (say, from 3-4 to 6-8 or even 10). The problem was (as I understood later) that *the PULLING MOTION* (like in pull-ups, chin-ups, deadhang, etc.) in my workout routine *wasn't balanced with the PUSHING MOTION* (like in push-ups, dips, handstand, handstand push-ups, etc.). Joints and tendons require careful approach we often don't provide.
So, I cut my pull-up/chin-up sets to just 2 plus 2 sets of deadhang, and balanced it with 2 sets of dips plus 2 sets of static handstand. And BOOM, after months of pain, it just evaporated in days.
Honestly I just stopped working out, couldn't handle it anymore but elbows still bugging me!
Think I'll give your method a try and do some light sets! 🤞
@@vot3r Also:
- the best explanation of the problem: ua-cam.com/video/XXjaCsUlrZs/v-deo.html
(also from Jeff: ua-cam.com/video/2_1ylJ-9twY/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/S_93yIKub98/v-deo.html )
- short preventive and treatment routine: ua-cam.com/video/kIYDcsOpnyE/v-deo.html
- plus, I think we as cali guys lack balanced forearm training, thus we need to do a bit of curls, pinch grips etc. (e.g., ua-cam.com/video/eiOp3hxJVkw/v-deo.html)
@@bewarethefuryofapatientman woah i feel like this is part of my golfers elbow. i didnt get pain with a straight bar crossfit rig. but i got pain from a new gym that had more girth pull up station. after my 5 pull i can still get in more but i grip gives way causing me to hang from the the tips. which id say is from the forth finger! .amazing i think i should have to train my grip and forearms and lift from the index finger. thanks man
Just do push ups ,rows all front body .
I’m doing mainly (probably only…) pushing movements all of my life. I knew that i need to balance it but I didn’t do it. Now i have golfer’s elbow from a little movement during the day, pushing something couple of times and I’m in pain that increases and increases.
I stopped training hard handstands this days and changed it to mainly surfing. But I’m going to try to do pulling exercises now to balance maybe my muscular ‘pushing’ system that is much more developed that the pulling…
Thank you 🙏
If you have any recommendations for exercises or balanced routine I’ll be happy to do that :)
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Very good video. I am actually starting to feel the onset of this particular injury...so thanks! Please post more of these. Your explanations are more thorough and professional than your competition.
Probably the best fitness/workout channel on UA-cam. Keep up the great work!
A week of rest, completely. Since then I've only done a few supersets of lightweight bicep curls and wrist extensions in the 30-50 rep range. It has helped immensely. Thanks Daniel!
Well thought out and informative as always. Thanks Mate! Keep up the great work!
Thank you! I have had this injury twice now, and didn't know what to do about it. Great stuff.
You are such a knowledgeable guy for such a young guy. You seem to really knnow your stuff. Thanks so much for the great, informative, videos.
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This answer all my questions about my elbow pain so amazingly well. Thank you! You'er awesome!
Absolutely
Really important and useful to talk about injury prevention and managment
Looking forwards to see more for safe and longlasting training
Thanks!
Another fantastic informative video. Very relevant to anyone doing pullups. I've experienced this pain, switched to neutral grip. Thanks Daniel!
Thanks for the feedback. I was looking for a solution to this problem.
Thanks for another great video Daniel. I suffered from outer elbow pain while doing chin-ups with a supinated grip, and rope climbs. I took a cue from Overcoming Gravity with RICE therapy and gradually went back to it as you say in your video. This happened about 2-3 times, but has lessoned over time after doing more band assisted warm ups and wrist stretching and with grip training/ hangs, like you have noted in your previous videos and now is not really an issue.
@FitnessFAQs Thanks for another great video! Your videos are always very informative and motivating!
I wondered if you could answer the following:
1) With golfer’s elbow, is it generally advisable to make any changes to pushing exercises? ie. should we stop doing hand stands, ring push ups, dips etc?
2) Did you get any benefit from doing "rehab" exercises or eccentric type stuff?
3) I only use rings, but I think this problem started when I started trying to train my false grip. I will probably stop false grip for a while, but do you have any advice for progressing very gradually towards false grip?
Your knowledge and expertise is really appreciated. Thanks a lot!
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Cheers!
Loving this channel, top quality info.
Cheers
I actually have a tendinopathy, i've loved this video ! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I've had a lot of injuries by the past, i'd love to see more of this kind of videos !
I have just started to suffer from the golfer's elbow & I fixed it quickly by using "Thera-Band flex bar".
I like your videos very much & Keep it up
Thank you so much for this video. I have recently come down with golfers elbow, and your description of the symptoms is right on to what i am feeling. I am on my 4th day of relative rest. My problem started with straight bar pulls ups but since i do a lot of climbing/white water kayaking/spring board diving, it slowly became aggravated. So its good to hear that you recommend about a month of relative rest, because it means i can still do some paddling and easy climbing. Looking forward to getting back to the swing of things come Sept or Oct
Thanks Daniel! As Always a concise and to the point explanation. More of these please.
Thanks man appreciate the upload and will definitely give the rings a shot because Ive been dealing with this tendon issue for a while now but love training to much to stop
You are the bestt...you directly or indirectly answer all my queries....thank youu !
A complete shoulder workout please ?
Great video, very helpful and useful advice. When I first developed intense tendon pain in my elbows and wrists from high volume training in pull ups and dips a couple of years back, I basically had to do what you suggested: cut back on training intensity, volume and frequency; and I discovered neutral pull ups loaded the tendons much less too. I still have the elbows flaring up now and then, but am using different grip variations and training programs to forestall or at least ease the pain. And I really need to get serious about training on Rings!
But while we can find workarounds for Pull exercises, I find it really hard to train around wrist and elbow tendon pain when it comes to Push exercises. I train Push using primarily dips and pushup exercises (switched to bodyweight-only training after a slipped disc operation 3 years ago), and when my wrists and elbows act up, I find that I have to back off and basically lay off my Push training until the joints recover, which could take weeks to a month.
Do you have any advice on Push exercise variations we can try while working through wrist/elbow pain? Appreciate your help!
Excellent video Daniel, thanks for everything ❤
That was awesome definitely going to stick with the rings for good amount of time. thx man
just what i needed ! thank you for that video ! great and helpfull as always
Thank you! This has been a problem for me. I am relatively new to calisthenics, plus middle age. I have noticed soreness in the area, specially after harder pull-up workouts. I will be following your recommendations!
Definitly we need those type of videos. Thanks for the advices.
Hey Daniel ! First of all what another great Video with informative content !! Just wanted to mention that more videos of this kind are really appreciated by me and a couple of friends ! i would love to hear more about foot structure and dysfunction as it translates up the kinetic chain. its not easy to find quality free content on those issues on the internet .. cheers ! keep up the good work :)
Thanks for these tips Daniel, appreciate it!
Great stuff Daniel, thanks. Please do a video about off-loading the stress on the wrists as well, especially the one that is caused by handstand training.
Really helpful video Dan. I have been suffering with golfer's elbow from supinated grip straight bar chins over the past few months. I would wake up with real tenderness the next day. Doing my pull ups on the rings has really helped and also just doing pull ups with a pronated grip when on the straight bar. Also, to reduce hand grip tension I have reverted to a fingers only hook grip when doing pronated pull ups on a straight bar so all of your advice here applies from what I have been experiencing. Videos like this advising on anatomy and such are great by the way, tank you.
Glad you found the video helpful.
One of the best Fitness Channels on YT so far... watch this and "calimove" and you basically have the knowledge to train with perfect form.
I had this problem too, not very intensively, but it was there.
Causes: Weighted Pull-ups and hard variations such as Archer Pull-ups and explosive Pull-ups, combined with wrist and forearm training after doing the pull exercises. Everything on a straight bar.
Symptoms: Not noticeable while training, but directly after and maybe the next morning / day after a training session. "Cured" mostly within a day.
Work-Around:
-extended warm-up of wrists, elbows, shoulders
-decreased volume (1 to 2 sessions per week)
-decreased intensity while training
-filming myself and slowing down while exercising in order to...
-keep a good form (correct elbow position, keeping wrists in a neutral position)
-extended stretching
That worked for me pretty well, and I once again realized how damn important your form actually is... Probably the most crucial thing in every kind of sport.
thanks man.. this really helps me understand the issue i facing for a month.. will work on recovering using these method.. awesome!
Thanks man really helped ! Subscribed as well :D! keep up man THANKS !
Thanks very much. I have this prob now. You were the guy to go to for advice. Much appreciated!
Daniel your videos are the Best and most informative on UA-cam
Thanks
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You explained my symptoms word for word. Even the written comment that it eases once warmed up and it feels worse the next day. The strange case I have is that I first started a very very basic calisthenics workout routine nearly 1 year ago that only went for a few weeks. At that time I bought a new house, renovated it and had a new baby. So mu workout was put on hold completely. At some stage in that few weeks of basic training I started getting the elbow pain and annoyingly it has never gone away. Seems odd as it was far from being a continuous use injury but it is word for word exactly what you explained and no one has been able to explain it like that so far.
I have finally started my new calisthenics routine about 5 weeks ago and this is a much more serious workout routine following the push, pull, legs/core methods. Last week I started doing a lot of the mobility exercises you showed in your video with the resistance band and the light dumbbell and I hope this helps me. Further more I already have a set of gymnastic rings on the way in the mail, so it's good to hear that they helped you out. I really hope they do the same for me.
Many thanks Daniel! Exactly what I needed. GTY
Been watching a lot of your videos and the information you give is very insightful. Its brilliant your researching and applying everything your doing to your teaching thanks for this information mate, it means I can use other techniques in hope to avoid this injury. Hopefully on your next tour to Europe I can come along :) Ricky from the U.K.
love your calmness
of course super informative too !
Really enjoy your calm and deliberate explanations and particularly liked your explanation of what happens in the tendons, the disorganized matrix, helps me visualize how important it is to take care of pain messages when they start and not just "live with it". The occasional elbow pain I get is on the outside of the elbow joint. Rest and dragging my finger tips along the tendons constantly is how I deal with it. Mostly doesn't bother me now. I'm 68 and working on one arm chins. Great video, thanks much.
Did you get the one arm chins in the end?
Hey Danielle, for the past month or so I've had a lot of back pain. I work an office job and come home to sit on my computer as well.My lower back hurts as well as around my hips extending into the front of my body. I started doing your some of your beginner work outs, namely just your warm up video for back exercises and found it very therapeutic. It didn't surprise me to find out you were a physio. I've already begun to employ your 'back pain' video using the pole. I appreciate you. How lucky are we do receive professional advice through UA-cam?
Helpful Daniel. I've had this injury on and off for the past few years, and whenever I feel it returning, I back off of pulling for a few days, and once back on training, avoid chin-ups (as you said) and stick with wide grip pull-ups. For me, rings still do aggravate the elbow, if injury is present.
Perfect timing mate!!!! 😘
Ive had it twice from greasing the groove (overtraining). I fixed it by immediately taking two weeks off and using a theraband flexbar for rehab and an elbow brace. To prevent it, now I thoroughly warm up and only do neutral grip pullups on rings
I think the brace prevents inflammation . It reduces the blood pressure to the effected area.
Thanks for the advice.
How did you use the theraband?
Also used the theraband Flexbar for about 3 weeks, while continuing to do Crossfit. After 3 weeks of using the flexbar for about 3x20 reps a day, the injury was totally gone.
@@Puzzicanello Tyler Twist (Lateral Epicondylitis - Pain Outside of The Elbow) Reverse Tyler Twist (Medial Epicondylitis - Pain inside of the elbow) Both are good to do alongside one another even if you only have 1 injury :)
@@ollieb7370 Hi, my forearms feel sore/overworked after doing too many pushups and gets worse when I type (I work in IT) so overuse I think is perhaps a mix of both. Can sometimes feel tender to the touch (the area between the elbow and a bit down the upper side of the forearms). Been trying to cut back on computer use and not training for two weeks but they still feel strained/overused often, but not bad pain yet, I'm trying to prevent that from happening. Do you or anyone else recommend something I should do? I think not doing anything for more than 2 weeks isnt really productive either. Only did a bit of stretching.
Thanks
Very professional content. I’ll give your ideas a go. It makes sense really. Haven’t used straps for years, at the same time it feels right to unload my grip. I’ve had tennis and golfers elbow for a long while so I’m not going to loose it that quickly. Thanks mate great content and presentation.
thank you very much for the video. I'm going through this problem now .. I feel this pain more when I do the handstands .. more the tips were excellent .. for a long time looking for videos on this topic .. congratulations for the quality of the information on the channel.
Thanks for this post. I'm working on this issue, complicated by some elbow bone spurs, currently. I'm already warming, de-loading, resting, and using massage. However, I hadn't thought to include my rings in the mix. Greatly appreciated!
Hi Daniel,
First off, your material's awesome. Thank you. As for your question, theraband flexbar really helped me out.
How did you use it?
Excellent video. I'd love to see one about common shoulder injuries and pain in the future, especially with regard to parallel bar dips. Thanks.
Daniel , thank you for all your videos :)
I am a total beginner and right now trying my best with UA-cam videos and books - it was very helpful to hear, that joint pain is common and how to avoid it / deal with it - thank you very much!
I have had it on and off, but working on a panel saw brought it to levels of pain yet unknown. Thanks for the tips, great video.
Great video Daniel i love your channel, would the same techniques, rings etc work the same for tennis elbow? i have a long term injury i have been to lots of physio in the past but sometimes it just creeps up again from time to time?.
Cheers Mike
Dude! You’re a life saver bruh! 👌🏻
Have this pain atm, will sure try to go from the bar to just rings and see how that feels :)
Great video as always!
I am almost 60 and can pull up as much as I want. It's only when I began heavily weighting them that I experienced elbow pain. Switching to an ergonomic grip made all the difference. Keep up the excellent and sound advice!
What's an 'ergonomic grip' for you? Hammer grip?
Good advice. I found avoiding the hand position as you accurately describe helps. I am still avoiding pull-ups with that hand position (palms rearward to me), hopefully it pays off, I also saw your other video stating tendants take time.
I enjoy your videos and those you do with Sven, you guys are my inspiration to the fantastic world of calisthenics.
Steve
Hi Daniel, great vid. I got this problem too and I figured it by myself, but it's good to know that my approach was good :)
I'm still dealing with golfer's elbow, but I found using straps on the pull-up bar helped take the load off the area, and stretching the wrist flexors post work-out kept the pain from coming back. The biggest improvement I saw recently was actually strengthening the antagonist muscles, the wrist extensors, with very light weight wrist extensions
awesome vid dan, keep it up!
Hi, I just discovered your channel and it's awesome. I've been working out for some time and I needed something new.
This kind of video is interesting. Could you do another one concerning "How to fix WRIST pain from pushups" ?
I used straps when I was recovering from that. It was a bit awkward but not a problem. I heard that the best fix is eccentric arm work with substantial load.
Yes please. More on Tendonopathy. How about insertional tendonopathy on the achilles, as well.as the elbow from tricept extension, shoulder from straight bar BP & OHP.
love your vids btw. You're my goto for all things fitness
Hey Daniel! Well man I have felt my elbow as you described from doing russian push ups - mostly because the transition from laying your forearms on the floor and come back to the push up position. The way I found myself improving it was by doing a super slow set of regular push up always before push exercises. I feel that is a good warm up and works for me. In the last years working out I felt that working on performing exercises very slow can strength the tendons while giving to the muscles a good challenge. That is how I have been working and how I have recovered 100% of a tendinitis that I had on my shoulder (tendon between the deltoids and biceps).
Thanks for the info. Been suffering from golfers elbow for 3 months now. I didn't feel like buying rings so I just used the handles from my perfect fitness bands and they work just the same.
This is perfect. I feel some discomfort on the right elbow when I do normal chin-ups. In my case I feel some tendon jumping (if that makes sense), not on the interior side but rather on the exterior elbow side. Not sure if it's the same the video refers to but it also goes away if I change to a neutral grip...
I've had this but I only felt pain when doing tricep extensions and back lever. I stopped doing them for a couple of weeks and it's still healing. It used to hurt in simple tasks like carrying the grocery bags. Bottom line is, don't stop working out completely. Eliminate the exercises which hurt and go from there
Thanks for the video daniel. I sometimes feel pain in my shoulders after doing pull ups, or training to achieve muscle ups.
Do you have solutions to that symptoms?
Awesome video man ... do more like these
Great content in this video! Keep it up! 👍🏻
when you said degrees of freedom around 4 minutes in, I had a flash back to econometrics and I felt tears start forming
Sorry to bring those memories back brother :)
Thanks, Daniel.. very helpful!
A follow up rehab to heal video would be nice.
I certainly enjoyed your presentation on the medial flexor tendon injury.... thanks
Great advice! i love doing strict underhand pullups but a few weeks ago I suddenly felt the pain right where you explained in the elbow, so I will probably switch to rings or overhand for the next 2-3 months and see how it goes. Thanks
Did it work in the end? I have been doing massive amounts of underhand pullups and my golfer's elbow has destroyed me. I'm thinking hammer/neutral grip is going to be the way out from here.
Hanging and stretching helped very much! Nice Video!!
This is good advice, and the rings were a surprise. Can’t wait to try it!
I haven't even heared of the injury but it's super good to keep in mind if I'll notice some pain to know what to do👌 keep going with those.
Great tips! I've been suffering for some time now. Going to order some straps right now!
I really like this type of video!!! Its important to train without join pain
Please continue making these kinds of videos. :)
Ive used différent stretchs. I go into a pushup position, keeping arm straight, wrists and hand position straight out. Keeping elbow locked out..then lean forward as in floor planch..it streatches that tenson..feels way better
seriously what low life is disliking this its one of the most informative tendonitis videos on UA-cam.
Thank you for this vid. Save my wrists and my time.❤️
Thanks-Dealing with elbow pain in both elbows. I had stopped using straps in favor of chalk-only. Looking forward to trying out that trick next training session. Hoping it helps-it’s heartbreaking to lose the gains!
Great vid. I had this problem. It is almost gone. Took it easy on some movements, plus a lot of ice pack use, and self-massage, recently with one of these percussion devices.
Hey ! Can you do something similar on tennis elbow ? Thanks, love your videos !
Great! Thanks very much for the tips! I have a question: would workout gloves work for pull-ups the same way as the straps? Would you recommend doing pull-ups with workout gloves?
I get it in my left elbow when I do dead hangs and also ab wheel rollouts. I'll try to turn my body 90 degrees when doing dead hangs so that I'll get a more neutral grip.