I've always loved Cinder as a villain and wished people didn't give her so much crap. But here's the problem. I believe the Writers took too long to give us a proper Cinder backstory that people won't care if we do get one now. She's been a prominent character since Episode 1 of this series and only now, years later, we've just been given scraps about her. It's a shame really, but even so regardless, Cinder will always be one of my favs.
@@Againegan There is usually something deeper than just power and strength. People seeking so desperately for them, usually means that they've been so powerless at some point in their life, hitting rock bottom and people being able to put them down very easily in all forms and manners. The seeking of power and strength most of the time (if not always) goes deeper than just that.
To those who thought this fight did Winter dirty: I completely disagree. Unlike Weiss, Winter only uses glyphs when necessary, as she only used it twice when fighting Qrow (excluding summoning). Also, keep in mind that she’s fighting a maiden, meaning using her semblance a lot will not do her too much good other than draining her aura, since Cinder’s power is shown to be stronger than any semblance existed so far
Anthony Rodriguez I don’t think that’s always the case. Just because you have the power it doesnt boost your skills combat wise, take Amber the previous maiden before. She was clearly inexperienced regardless if she had the power or not
To be fair, Cinder probably goes through more intense training(under salem) than most do in their lives. Being put in situations against very powerful grim and people has also forced her to grow faster as well I'd say.
This fight shows that Cinder has developed alot as a fighter but still has some issues to work with. During her fight with Raven, Cinder let her impatience and frustration get the better of her, which caused her to rely too much on raw power rather than technique. This allowed Raven to beat Cinder severely by using superior tactics and skill. Now that she's fighting Winter and Penny, Cinder is clearly more focused, trying to beat her opponents with technique and only using her maiden powers to provide herself with weapons. This approach actually works great for Cinder, as she's dominating the fight while Winter and Penny are unable to even get a clean hit on her. However, as the fight progresses, Cinder becomes impatient again and at 0:53 she lets herself be overpowered by frustration and attempts to eliminate her opponents quickly with brute force. And once again, her frustration causes Cinder to let her guard down, which allows Winter to get a clean hit at 1:15. After a short struggle, Cinder quickly composes herself and incapacitates Winter by using skill rather than brute force, which causes her to ultimately win the fight.
And imagine, at first Cinder was one of the most composed characters during a fight. Mostly toying around while being tactical. I believe, that now she becomes agitated the longer a fight lasts, due to her trauma caused by Ruby. She dilly-dallied with Pyrrha, taking her sweet ass time and then Rubes just blasted her. Sadly, though, this should have been shown and explained somewhere around Volume 4 and 5 :/
Also her semblance is to create glass weapons that along with the maiden powers is why she beat pyrahh with such ease because she dosen't use metal weapons
It was under Atlas and above Mantle. I kinda wish that Atlas will fall back into the ground. Though not on top of Mantle. And they will permanently move the staff to Amity tower and send it up so Salem can't reach it.
We're talking about the person that killed Ozpin's previous form, and went toe to toe with Raven while using both the Maiden's magic and physical melee weapons. So again, of course Winter can't stand up to that. Smh
@@MegamanZXOmega She is also trained by Salem(at the very least as a maiden) and I'm sure she is more ruthless in her training than what Winter normal does forcing her to grow faster because she doesn't have the luxury to simply not.
So Winter Schnee would get obliterated by Cinder if Penny wasn't there to help. This means that Neo is stronger than Winter. Honestly though, Neo is surprisingly strong for someone with little to no info, or even a wanted poster. We know she's a criminal but there is no one around to confirm that. She's the most unknown character in the series and all we know about her is her name, her allegiance and her Semblance.
Eh. Cinder wasn't really using her powers all that much when fighting Neo. It wouldn't surprise me if Neo could hold her own with Winter although I think it's safe to say that Winter would hold the edge considering how much better she did against Cinder when she wasn't holding back.
Idk bout that. Cinder wasn't trying to beat Neo in their fight and only used her maiden powers as a quick way to get Neo to stop attacking and because she has no control of her temper. Here it seems she felt pressured to actually use maiden powers to win. Granted, in this fight the stakes were much higher and more immediate. Not saying you're wrong, just saying comparing those 2 fights might not be an accurate guage. Agreed on wanting to know more about Neo.
I'm so bewildered that people think Winter is weak because of this fight. The only time we'd seen Winter fight before this was against Qrow when he was clearly fucking around. Cinder went head to head with Raven and held her own against Neo when she wasn't even trying to kill her.
Anyone else wonder what Cinders backstory is? Like how did a young woman like her get involved with a dark being like Salem and craving the maden powers.
I am going to take a guess at this, since Cinder is based off of Cinderella, my guess is her father who was poor, some how became a successful business man manufacturing dust as well, but for clothing. And some how he got ran out of business, kind of like that boys father on team FNKY, and he probably was murdered by a jealous Elite. And for cinder to make a living she had to serve a rich family, who probably treated her like trash
The last update nerfed the Schnees. Jokes aside I do think Winter should have at least had an upper hand even without penny's help. She's more experience in combat while cinder Solly relies on her Grimm and maiden powers and a bit of her semblance (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm just glad they didn't kill her off after not seeing her for so long especially with the maidens being death flags for anyone associated with them, she's my favorite non main character. (Now to hope she's doesn't keel over in vol. 8.)
To be fair, Winter doesn't seem to carry dust like Weiss does, and lightning dust is required for time dilation. The question is: Why doesn't she use her normal glyphs more and why does her aura seem to be Weiss-levels of low?
@@hinderless5811 For Blake and the Ace Ops in Ch. 12, I can understand, because they were just defending Mantle and only had a little break. But for Winter, we don't know for certain what she was doing before Ironwood called her to get to the Winter Maiden.
Maybe they didn't nerf Winter but Cinder is actually stronger than Winter? I mean, the woman killed Ozpin (from what we assume) and I doubt Oz was less powerful than Winter.
Great, so Cinder lives to ruin another volume by just existing. Really wish Moron Miles didn’t have such a fetish for Cinder. Maybe then, Cinder would be good and dead, and not holding the series back anymore.
"..and I refuse to starve."
Crazy how this one line gave Cinder more character development than the past 7 volumes combined.
That's so true it's sad
And even then, it isn't much.
@@sterish5696 For real... Better than nothing, I guess. Hopefully they do more with her or just get rid of her already- one of the two xD
I still want to see her origin story.
good lord I love that line.
"What are you doing? My life doesn’t matter"
"I disagree" Omg Penny is the cutest thing ever
I love the chanting theme whenever Cinder fights.
Indeed.
I can't wait for the soundtrack. Its so good.
It really highlights how she’s acting PURELY on primal rage and bloodlust
I've always loved Cinder as a villain and wished people didn't give her so much crap. But here's the problem. I believe the Writers took too long to give us a proper Cinder backstory that people won't care if we do get one now. She's been a prominent character since Episode 1 of this series and only now, years later, we've just been given scraps about her. It's a shame really, but even so regardless, Cinder will always be one of my favs.
Cinder is generic
She literally says she only wants power and strength
My fav villain too high five dude
@@Againegan i dunno, it feels like there's something deeper going on, like she's got her own agenda entirely that we don't know yet
@@Againegan There is usually something deeper than just power and strength. People seeking so desperately for them, usually means that they've been so powerless at some point in their life, hitting rock bottom and people being able to put them down very easily in all forms and manners.
The seeking of power and strength most of the time (if not always) goes deeper than just that.
@@Scailalia Even if that was the case, Cinder still over here acting all smug when she shouldn't be.
I miss Roman.
To those who thought this fight did Winter dirty: I completely disagree. Unlike Weiss, Winter only uses glyphs when necessary, as she only used it twice when fighting Qrow (excluding summoning). Also, keep in mind that she’s fighting a maiden, meaning using her semblance a lot will not do her too much good other than draining her aura, since Cinder’s power is shown to be stronger than any semblance existed so far
I’m surprised winter couldn’t hold her own against cinder. She seemed so skilled.
Lexi Roark either cinder became rlly strong or winter became more weak, I’d like to see Qrow vs cinder or winter vs neo
Maiden power elevated her way above people like Winter and Qrow.
Heck Raven who used to be Qrows equal just barley won against her.
Anthony Rodriguez I don’t think that’s always the case. Just because you have the power it doesnt boost your skills combat wise, take Amber the previous maiden before. She was clearly inexperienced regardless if she had the power or not
@@hinderless5811 no but it does increase your strength and speed dramatically.
To be fair, Cinder probably goes through more intense training(under salem) than most do in their lives. Being put in situations against very powerful grim and people has also forced her to grow faster as well I'd say.
1:09 Penny scream gives me chills
This fight shows that Cinder has developed alot as a fighter but still has some issues to work with. During her fight with Raven, Cinder let her impatience and frustration get the better of her, which caused her to rely too much on raw power rather than technique. This allowed Raven to beat Cinder severely by using superior tactics and skill. Now that she's fighting Winter and Penny, Cinder is clearly more focused, trying to beat her opponents with technique and only using her maiden powers to provide herself with weapons. This approach actually works great for Cinder, as she's dominating the fight while Winter and Penny are unable to even get a clean hit on her. However, as the fight progresses, Cinder becomes impatient again and at 0:53 she lets herself be overpowered by frustration and attempts to eliminate her opponents quickly with brute force. And once again, her frustration causes Cinder to let her guard down, which allows Winter to get a clean hit at 1:15. After a short struggle, Cinder quickly composes herself and incapacitates Winter by using skill rather than brute force, which causes her to ultimately win the fight.
And imagine, at first Cinder was one of the most composed characters during a fight. Mostly toying around while being tactical. I believe, that now she becomes agitated the longer a fight lasts, due to her trauma caused by Ruby. She dilly-dallied with Pyrrha, taking her sweet ass time and then Rubes just blasted her. Sadly, though, this should have been shown and explained somewhere around Volume 4 and 5 :/
Also her semblance is to create glass weapons that along with the maiden powers is why she beat pyrahh with such ease because she dosen't use metal weapons
if im being 100% honest, this was the most badass fight in the volume wish it was longer
love her or hate her, cinder's fights are always well choreographed and well done! she's a fierce fighter to be sure.
PENNY, THE WINTER MAIDEN❤️❤️
Man I am a sucker for the trope of a ground fight turning into a full on brawl in the sky above a city. Just wished the fight was longer.
It was under Atlas and above Mantle.
I kinda wish that Atlas will fall back into the ground.
Though not on top of Mantle. And they will permanently move the staff to Amity tower and send it up so Salem can't reach it.
Can we just agree that the ost here is perfect?
It's great.
All criticisms of power and technique aside, can we appreciate how fucking cool 0:53 is as a move?
And 1:05
I honestly thought Winter was stronger than this
Dude, Cinder is the Fall Maiden, of course Winter wouldn't be able to beat her.
MZX Omega that doesn’t make her a better melee fighter though. I just expected more from her is all.
I guess the Schnee fighting tradition is forgetting how to fight when you have to fight
We're talking about the person that killed Ozpin's previous form, and went toe to toe with Raven while using both the Maiden's magic and physical melee weapons. So again, of course Winter can't stand up to that. Smh
@@MegamanZXOmega She is also trained by Salem(at the very least as a maiden) and I'm sure she is more ruthless in her training than what Winter normal does forcing her to grow faster because she doesn't have the luxury to simply not.
IM STARVING TO LISTEN THIS TRACK!!!
So Winter Schnee would get obliterated by Cinder if Penny wasn't there to help. This means that Neo is stronger than Winter. Honestly though, Neo is surprisingly strong for someone with little to no info, or even a wanted poster. We know she's a criminal but there is no one around to confirm that. She's the most unknown character in the series and all we know about her is her name, her allegiance and her Semblance.
Eh.
Cinder wasn't really using her powers all that much when fighting Neo.
It wouldn't surprise me if Neo could hold her own with Winter although I think it's safe to say that Winter would hold the edge considering how much better she did against Cinder when she wasn't holding back.
It's possible she used her semblance to disguise herself, never having her true identity convicted of criminal actions.
Idk bout that. Cinder wasn't trying to beat Neo in their fight and only used her maiden powers as a quick way to get Neo to stop attacking and because she has no control of her temper. Here it seems she felt pressured to actually use maiden powers to win. Granted, in this fight the stakes were much higher and more immediate. Not saying you're wrong, just saying comparing those 2 fights might not be an accurate guage.
Agreed on wanting to know more about Neo.
I'm so bewildered that people think Winter is weak because of this fight. The only time we'd seen Winter fight before this was against Qrow when he was clearly fucking around. Cinder went head to head with Raven and held her own against Neo when she wasn't even trying to kill her.
Yo the music in this fight
Me too Penny
My favourite fight of the volume
Anyone else wonder what Cinders backstory is? Like how did a young woman like her get involved with a dark being like Salem and craving the maden powers.
Hopefully they explain this in the next 2 volumes...I hope it's worth this volumes long wait :/
I am going to take a guess at this, since Cinder is based off of Cinderella, my guess is her father who was poor, some how became a successful business man manufacturing dust as well, but for clothing. And some how he got ran out of business, kind of like that boys father on team FNKY, and he probably was murdered by a jealous Elite. And for cinder to make a living she had to serve a rich family, who probably treated her like trash
@@emeraldmorgan6644 and I'm gonna assume Salem was her fairy god mother.
Why did the neft Winter so badly? Why did she not boost her speed with her semblance? Time dialation? What happened to the Winter that fought Qrow???
The last update nerfed the Schnees. Jokes aside I do think Winter should have at least had an upper hand even without penny's help. She's more experience in combat while cinder Solly relies on her Grimm and maiden powers and a bit of her semblance (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm just glad they didn't kill her off after not seeing her for so long especially with the maidens being death flags for anyone associated with them, she's my favorite non main character. (Now to hope she's doesn't keel over in vol. 8.)
To be fair, Winter doesn't seem to carry dust like Weiss does, and lightning dust is required for time dilation. The question is: Why doesn't she use her normal glyphs more and why does her aura seem to be Weiss-levels of low?
Caerulean honestly in this volume everyone’s aura was easily depleted by whatever the cause was, which is weird.
@@hinderless5811 For Blake and the Ace Ops in Ch. 12, I can understand, because they were just defending Mantle and only had a little break. But for Winter, we don't know for certain what she was doing before Ironwood called her to get to the Winter Maiden.
Maybe they didn't nerf Winter but Cinder is actually stronger than Winter? I mean, the woman killed Ozpin (from what we assume) and I doubt Oz was less powerful than Winter.
The way Cinder's eye color is, I think Palpatine would take her as an apprentice.
1:08 why dose penny scream then flys like nothing happened
A built-in reflex I assume. Plus her body most likely works like Holons from gen:LOCK.
I want to know why penny grunts and screams when she fights? She doesnt really breath right?
When talk no jutsu doesn’t work so You have to use fight talk no jutsu:
I can't wait for the full ost
I liked everything but winters last line ... gurl u were suppose to be the next maiden of course u matter
I think If she died but Fria would still live and not get butchered by Cinder, it still would be a win in her book, in a sense.
Cinder: I am Iron Woman.
Ever since V3
This battle has replaced cinder vs Raven
Irelia
Yes
Yes
Yes
IONIA CALLLLS!!!!
Is cinder back?!
dont get spoiled
I'm .... iron man ?
Great, so Cinder lives to ruin another volume by just existing. Really wish Moron Miles didn’t have such a fetish for Cinder. Maybe then, Cinder would be good and dead, and not holding the series back anymore.
>Holding the series back
Bruh you tripping?
Winter schnee is a loser