Love this video thankyou. For ultimate ease of use, what lens might you recommend to film following a skier at around 30ft away? A unique look from the lens would be great, but ultimately ease of setting up in cold condtions and ease of autofocus would need to be my main priorities here. Thanks
So glad you dug it! I'd say go for the Sigma, they make an L mount for the 4D, good for the focus control, very simple setup. Or, even the simplest setup, the D-mount native DJI lenses, the long one (I think 75mm) is pretty nice, and it'll work best with the system with the absolute simplest setup.
This video was great. I’m curious which mount you’re using with the Canon FD lenses. You said it came adapted. Did it come adapted to standard DJI DL mount or the E or M mount? I would love to use these vintage lenses, but I’m having trouble figuring out all the adaptors and such. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
We just got the Ronin and picked up a Voigtlander Nokton 35 f/1.2 and it is a great lens. Made for the m-mount, it is very small and light, but I'd say rivals the Leica with a hint of almost a vintage look. At about a $1000/lens, a set of Voigtlander primes would be great to see in a test against these others.
@@CharlesHaine Also, we've picked up gear rings from Tilta which come in a wide variety of circumferences and only add a little width to the lenses. We tried the zip type, but you were right about them getting in the way. I'm sure custom delrin would be nice, but the Tilta are only a few bucks and very low profile.
I don't make enough videos to get up in the algorithm :). but it was my pleasure; can't believe it's been two years. hopefully will do another this summer if there is interest since there are now a (few) more lens choices to consider.
This is a great video! What I still don't get is... If your sony e-lens has an internal focus motor... do I still need to install the outer focus motor of the ronin 4D?
thanks! and yup, with E-mount is just "works" and controls the lens. you'll still need to calibrate each lens so it "knows" it, but you dont' need the external motor.
Hi , have a question that maybe you could help me in that , l habe the ronin 4d from dji and l want to buy also the lens 24 mm f2.8 asph DL, but the thing is that right now is not available ,so searched third party stores abd l found it there ,but on the website of this lens say that this lens dji 24mm f2.8asph is for inspire.2 zenmuse 7 and not for the dji ronin 4d, after l asked to dji and they told me that exist the same lens with two different versions ,l think that is something illogical, so l wanted to ask you if you know something a bout that .
Do you know if with the DJI Zenmuse X9 E-Mount Unit could l use the sony 50mm 1.4f zeiss lens with 780g, ? I am not sure but the with sony 24 mm 1.4 GM lens is posibble ,so l am not sure
Another question. Do you think the Laowa 15mm (cine version) would fit in the 'gap'? or their 12mm cine version for that matter? Is the width of that gap exactly 3.5"? Gold having this very useful review!
8k will likely have worse noise since higher resolution cameras tend to have smaller photosites. I didn't mind the noise, personally, it's there at higher ISO but in a way that didn't drive me crazy. slight noise has always worked for me and this camera didn't bother me for noise.
Love your work and insight. I enjoy you on NoFilmSchool podcast too (probably like everyone here). Looking forward to more videos. (Minor suggestion: eliminate the word "niggle" in future. Fraught with misinterpretation for a generation that's never heard the word.)
Hi Charles, great video! I am considering purchasing just the tamron 17-28. I shoot real estate and often my go to is 17 mm for most room shots and something larger for exteriors. Can you save multiple calibrations for different focal lengths of a single lens inside the DJI? I would like to avoid having to swap lenses on and off. Thanks!
You can! You'd just save it as two different lenses and switch between them. You'll have to calibrate this lens at each focal length, and honestly I think you'd be best off only using each end (the 17 and the 28), might be tricky to save a calibration in the middle. I personally would still recommend skipping the zoom until a lightweight parfocal zoom is available, but for your usecase I could see it.
@@CharlesHaine thanks!! Going to both extreme ends seems like the best way to do it. I wish DJI had some native lenses that went to wider focal length, seems for now I'm pushed into getting the E mount.
@@chrisroche9727 My next review video will be focused mainly on wide lenses for the DJI (11mm Irix, 15mm irix, 14mm Samyang, maybe the Laowa Zero-D), I think there is a big real estate market for this camera. and yep, all in E mount.
@@CharlesHaineThinking more about what you said and maybe it makes more sense to go with a Sony FE 14mm F1.8 GM instead of a zoom. Since this is a 6k camera I could crop the sensor to super 35 and effectively change the 14 to a 20 and maintain 4k. I could also crop the video up to 4x at 4k and still retain HD allowing up to 40-50 effective focal length which might get me some of those detail shots. Of course it might be challenging to line up an effective 50 mm shot (which will be cropped in post) perfectly when shooting at super 35.
Great video Charles! Question: Did you need to use the 294g counterweight for any of the lenses and what was the heaviest lens you managed to stabilize?
so I didn't get a counterweight with the kit i used so didn't end up experimenting with that. heaviest I flew was around 600 grams, and I'm planning another shoot/video now with lenses up closer to 700/750 grams and we'll see how it goes!
Since counterweight is so heavy, it seems like it woulld be most useful with a very light (like under 500 grame) but very long/front heavy lens. and I bet someone makes one of those in the future, but none of what I tested fit that bill.
@@CharlesHaine Thank you so much! That makes sense regarding a light but front heavy lens. I'll get mine in a couple of days and will see if I actually need to pull the trigger on the ridiculously expensive counterweight to balance my FE 85mm 1.4 GM. Keep up the good work!
@@Niiclas My pleasure! So that lens is 860 grams, and the reported weight limit is 960, so if you use the lidar at 100 grams, you're right at the limit and there isn't room for the counter weight. If you do have to counter weight it please let me know, I'm very curious about how that works for folks.
I saw e video where this dji 4d was using an anamorfic lens surui 50 mm t2.9, 1.6x but l think is imposible because gimbal z of the 4d dji just can to work with maximun of 800 g , and the lens l mean has 1030g . So is that right or not
there are 2 Sirui lenses on the approved lens list but both are 1.33x, I'm going to guess that it was one of those, not the 1.6x, because I bet it would be too heavy. Laowa just announced an upcoming kickstarter for some 1.5x that will fit under the weight limit, and are available in D mount so are definitely aiming at the DJI 4D
Normaly l dont like the surui 1.33x and also are apsc , l am searching something full frame and anamorfic , so l will look for the laowa 1.5x thanks youso much
@@briandeleonruiz9261 cool! I think I might get to do a review of them in May, let me know if there are particular things you want to see in the review!
I was looking the laowa lens 1.5x but didnt found it and until now they still didnt make an anamorfic lens ,just exist an adapter for it ,but what l saw is that the lens laowa with the adapter would not give that viger size of the imagen ñike do the normal anamorfic . Would be good if you could make a review with the anamorfic lens surui t2.9 ,1.6x on the dji 4d , because l saw already a video and it was working ,just l dont know how they did it abd here is the video , ua-cam.com/video/twQ3swd_meI/v-deo.html Also l saw an other video review woth the same lens 1.6x full frame you can see it here ua-cam.com/video/qUGww8sB2PU/v-deo.html So right now l am in shock puff ,could you investigate what is happening , or to make a review about it Thank you
We bought our Ronin 4D for the run and gun convenience. For 90% of the shoots that make us money, Speed > Hollywood quality. If it looks on par with a komodo/ursa, I'd rather use a zoom lens that doesn't extend when you change focal length in hopes that I don't have to keep rebalancing. Sony has the 18-105 f4 with OSS and power zoom, hoping it fits the bill. If it does, the only thing that would improve it is having the same lens as a f2. Have you looked into the Sony 18-105 to see if it would need rebalancing when changing focal lengths?
@@CharlesHaine Charles, please tell me, and tell me like you're talking to a noob, which cons i will have with shooting with a zoom lens on this camera
@@viktor.hsince it's not parfocal it's kind of annoying to use; you have to recalibrate the focus at every zoom setting, which is inconvenient. hopefully someone will roll out a parfocal zoom for the 4D sometime soon.
@@viktor.h so basically a good cinema zoom is parfocal: as you zoom in and out, it holds it's focus. still lenses aren't parfocal, as you zoom in, focus moves. this doesn't matter for still lenses, but is a frustration for filmmakers. since you have to calibrate a lens for this camera to use the autofocus (and you want to use the autofocus), you'll really want to have something parfocal, and right now there isn't something light enough. with a "non-parfocal" lens, you would have to recalibrate the lens every time you change the zoom!
WAY too heavy. those all come in nearly 2lbs each. right now the 4D weight limit is around 1.1lbs or so per lens. I have a dream that there will be a 4D Pro next year that handles lenses twice as big, but right now it's just a fantastic.
@@rroorryyjj there will almost definitley never be EF or PL mount coming. too front heavy. when I say "I dream of something that can hold 2 pounds" it'll still be E or D mount. Let's lens designers move the center of gravity further back.
@@CharlesHaine hmmm… guess it will be a bigger spend then if I’m ever gonna get a 4D it’ll need to be coupled with new glass. Thanks for the realistic reality check
@@rroorryyjj As someone who owns a lot of 2lb or so PL glass I had the same process. I think what will be happening is a lot of great 1lb D and E mount lenses will come out in the next year or two to fill the gap.
Shocked this doesn't have more views! Keep up the content
thanks! I think it's cause I'm newer to UA-cam? I dunno, 1100 seems like a good start to me, only making videos for a few months now :)
Thank you! Was looking for this type of video on the 4d!
This is awesome! Thank you!
Thank you for watching! Great to hear, gonna make more videos (hoping 1/month) so subscribe if you dig it!
Love this video thankyou. For ultimate ease of use, what lens might you recommend to film following a skier at around 30ft away? A unique look from the lens would be great, but ultimately ease of setting up in cold condtions and ease of autofocus would need to be my main priorities here. Thanks
So glad you dug it! I'd say go for the Sigma, they make an L mount for the 4D, good for the focus control, very simple setup. Or, even the simplest setup, the D-mount native DJI lenses, the long one (I think 75mm) is pretty nice, and it'll work best with the system with the absolute simplest setup.
Thanks for the test! What adapter did you use for the FD’s? We’re they modded to e mount?
they came adapted from cinema glass but it didn't look like a super-fancy adapter!
This video was great. I’m curious which mount you’re using with the Canon FD lenses. You said it came adapted. Did it come adapted to standard DJI DL mount or the E or M mount? I would love to use these vintage lenses, but I’m having trouble figuring out all the adaptors and such. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
@@rhapsodychurch2393 glad you dug it! I just use the E-mount for the 4d and bought an E to FD adapter at B&H
Great video. Wish i could buy the ronin 4d I'm obsessed with it.
We just got the Ronin and picked up a Voigtlander Nokton 35 f/1.2 and it is a great lens. Made for the m-mount, it is very small and light, but I'd say rivals the Leica with a hint of almost a vintage look. At about a $1000/lens, a set of Voigtlander primes would be great to see in a test against these others.
oooo, voigtlander would be super exciting and that's a great price point. I gotta check those out.
@@CharlesHaine Also, we've picked up gear rings from Tilta which come in a wide variety of circumferences and only add a little width to the lenses. We tried the zip type, but you were right about them getting in the way. I'm sure custom delrin would be nice, but the Tilta are only a few bucks and very low profile.
thanks! I dont get how this is the first i find on this front, this is quite some vital information if youre into buying a 4D
I don't make enough videos to get up in the algorithm :). but it was my pleasure; can't believe it's been two years. hopefully will do another this summer if there is interest since there are now a (few) more lens choices to consider.
how’s verything going?!thank you!you made epic view,see you on my side-:)
This is a great video! What I still don't get is... If your sony e-lens has an internal focus motor... do I still need to install the outer focus motor of the ronin 4D?
thanks! and yup, with E-mount is just "works" and controls the lens. you'll still need to calibrate each lens so it "knows" it, but you dont' need the external motor.
@@CharlesHaine thank you very much for the quick reply Charles ☺️
Hi , have a question that maybe you could help me in that , l habe the ronin 4d from dji and l want to buy also the lens 24 mm f2.8 asph DL, but the thing is that right now is not available ,so searched third party stores abd l found it there ,but on the website of this lens say that this lens dji 24mm f2.8asph is for inspire.2 zenmuse 7 and not for the dji ronin 4d, after l asked to dji and they told me that exist the same lens with two different versions ,l think that is something illogical, so l wanted to ask you if you know something a bout that .
Do you mean Leitz Cine M .08 lenses, or when you say "kitted out" do you mean Leica photo lenses? Thanks for the info!
I know this is a year later. But for the white balance, all you do is hold down the white balance button and then you can set custom stops.
This is great thanks! Did you take a look at any Sony lenses?
thank you so much! question, did you think its best to adapt the FD's through an FE adapter or through an M adapter?
Thanks for sharing your test. Would Zeiss Loxia lenses with their focus rings be a good option?
Great video. Thank you. Does the Batis 135 optical stabilisation activate too? I fear not but would be useful when using with gimbal locked.
Do you know if with the DJI Zenmuse X9 E-Mount Unit could l use the sony 50mm 1.4f zeiss lens with 780g, ? I am not sure but the with sony 24 mm 1.4 GM lens is posibble ,so l am not sure
Another question. Do you think the Laowa 15mm (cine version) would fit in the 'gap'? or their 12mm cine version for that matter? Is the width of that gap exactly 3.5"? Gold having this very useful review!
I think the 15mm would In still version. Unfortunately the Cine version likely won't.
@@CharlesHaine Thanks. Will check it out too. Appreciated!
How’s the digital noise on this camera? Heard rumors it’s bad. Wonder if the 8k solves this
8k will likely have worse noise since higher resolution cameras tend to have smaller photosites. I didn't mind the noise, personally, it's there at higher ISO but in a way that didn't drive me crazy. slight noise has always worked for me and this camera didn't bother me for noise.
Would you recommend for high quality vlogs?
Love your work and insight. I enjoy you on NoFilmSchool podcast too (probably like everyone here). Looking forward to more videos. (Minor suggestion: eliminate the word "niggle" in future. Fraught with misinterpretation for a generation that's never heard the word.)
Oh, I'd never thought about the word "niggle" but you are right! thanks for the feedback.
Hi Charles, great video! I am considering purchasing just the tamron 17-28. I shoot real estate and often my go to is 17 mm for most room shots and something larger for exteriors. Can you save multiple calibrations for different focal lengths of a single lens inside the DJI? I would like to avoid having to swap lenses on and off. Thanks!
You can! You'd just save it as two different lenses and switch between them. You'll have to calibrate this lens at each focal length, and honestly I think you'd be best off only using each end (the 17 and the 28), might be tricky to save a calibration in the middle. I personally would still recommend skipping the zoom until a lightweight parfocal zoom is available, but for your usecase I could see it.
@@CharlesHaine thanks!! Going to both extreme ends seems like the best way to do it. I wish DJI had some native lenses that went to wider focal length, seems for now I'm pushed into getting the E mount.
@@chrisroche9727 My next review video will be focused mainly on wide lenses for the DJI (11mm Irix, 15mm irix, 14mm Samyang, maybe the Laowa Zero-D), I think there is a big real estate market for this camera. and yep, all in E mount.
@@CharlesHaineThinking more about what you said and maybe it makes more sense to go with a Sony FE 14mm F1.8 GM instead of a zoom. Since this is a 6k camera I could crop the sensor to super 35 and effectively change the 14 to a 20 and maintain 4k. I could also crop the video up to 4x at 4k and still retain HD allowing up to 40-50 effective focal length which might get me some of those detail shots. Of course it might be challenging to line up an effective 50 mm shot (which will be cropped in post) perfectly when shooting at super 35.
@@chrisroche9727 seems like a bad ass setup that could work wonders easy to use gimbal cam
Great video Charles! Question: Did you need to use the 294g counterweight for any of the lenses and what was the heaviest lens you managed to stabilize?
so I didn't get a counterweight with the kit i used so didn't end up experimenting with that. heaviest I flew was around 600 grams, and I'm planning another shoot/video now with lenses up closer to 700/750 grams and we'll see how it goes!
Since counterweight is so heavy, it seems like it woulld be most useful with a very light (like under 500 grame) but very long/front heavy lens. and I bet someone makes one of those in the future, but none of what I tested fit that bill.
@@CharlesHaine Thank you so much! That makes sense regarding a light but front heavy lens. I'll get mine in a couple of days and will see if I actually need to pull the trigger on the ridiculously expensive counterweight to balance my FE 85mm 1.4 GM. Keep up the good work!
@@Niiclas My pleasure! So that lens is 860 grams, and the reported weight limit is 960, so if you use the lidar at 100 grams, you're right at the limit and there isn't room for the counter weight. If you do have to counter weight it please let me know, I'm very curious about how that works for folks.
@@CharlesHaine I'll definitely keep you posted!
which mount you used for Canon FD?
whatever the cheapest FD to E mount adapter on B&H was.
@@CharlesHaine thanks! Did you tested the Petzval 55mm lens?
I saw e video where this dji 4d was using an anamorfic lens surui 50 mm t2.9, 1.6x but l think is imposible because gimbal z of the 4d dji just can to work with maximun of 800 g , and the lens l mean has 1030g . So is that right or not
there are 2 Sirui lenses on the approved lens list but both are 1.33x, I'm going to guess that it was one of those, not the 1.6x, because I bet it would be too heavy. Laowa just announced an upcoming kickstarter for some 1.5x that will fit under the weight limit, and are available in D mount so are definitely aiming at the DJI 4D
Normaly l dont like the surui 1.33x and also are apsc , l am searching something full frame and anamorfic , so l will look for the laowa 1.5x thanks youso much
@@briandeleonruiz9261 cool! I think I might get to do a review of them in May, let me know if there are particular things you want to see in the review!
I was looking the laowa lens 1.5x but didnt found it and until now they still didnt make an anamorfic lens ,just exist an adapter for it ,but what l saw is that the lens laowa with the adapter would not give that viger size of the imagen ñike do the normal anamorfic . Would be good if you could make a review with the anamorfic lens surui t2.9 ,1.6x on the dji 4d , because l saw already a video and it was working ,just l dont know how they did it abd here is the video , ua-cam.com/video/twQ3swd_meI/v-deo.html
Also l saw an other video review woth the same lens 1.6x full frame you can see it here ua-cam.com/video/qUGww8sB2PU/v-deo.html
So right now l am in shock puff ,could you investigate what is happening , or to make a review about it
Thank you
We bought our Ronin 4D for the run and gun convenience. For 90% of the shoots that make us money, Speed > Hollywood quality. If it looks on par with a komodo/ursa, I'd rather use a zoom lens that doesn't extend when you change focal length in hopes that I don't have to keep rebalancing. Sony has the 18-105 f4 with OSS and power zoom, hoping it fits the bill. If it does, the only thing that would improve it is having the same lens as a f2.
Have you looked into the Sony 18-105 to see if it would need rebalancing when changing focal lengths?
I'm hoping for a parfocal zoom designed with the 4D in mind: shooting without parfocal is just too annoying on this particular unit.
Hey TRIFLIX Films, I am also looking for the 18-105 lens, did you guys try it out, how does it work?
@@CharlesHaine Charles, please tell me, and tell me like you're talking to a noob, which cons i will have with shooting with a zoom lens on this camera
@@viktor.hsince it's not parfocal it's kind of annoying to use; you have to recalibrate the focus at every zoom setting, which is inconvenient. hopefully someone will roll out a parfocal zoom for the 4D sometime soon.
@@viktor.h so basically a good cinema zoom is parfocal: as you zoom in and out, it holds it's focus. still lenses aren't parfocal, as you zoom in, focus moves. this doesn't matter for still lenses, but is a frustration for filmmakers. since you have to calibrate a lens for this camera to use the autofocus (and you want to use the autofocus), you'll really want to have something parfocal, and right now there isn't something light enough. with a "non-parfocal" lens, you would have to recalibrate the lens every time you change the zoom!
Thanks for your greta vid, i just got an insane offer for a Zeiss cp 3 LensPack would it work on tne 4D also?
Nope! WAY too heavy. Also the CP3 were never my favorite Zeiss; lots of CA. if you are hoping for things that fly on the 4D needs to weigh less.
@@CharlesHaine Thanks a lot for your fast reply and help.
If the right mounts were available, could you see DZO vespid primes physically fitting on the 4D?
WAY too heavy. those all come in nearly 2lbs each. right now the 4D weight limit is around 1.1lbs or so per lens. I have a dream that there will be a 4D Pro next year that handles lenses twice as big, but right now it's just a fantastic.
@@CharlesHaine gotcha. Is it realistic at all then to be hoping there’s an EF mount coming?
@@rroorryyjj there will almost definitley never be EF or PL mount coming. too front heavy. when I say "I dream of something that can hold 2 pounds" it'll still be E or D mount. Let's lens designers move the center of gravity further back.
@@CharlesHaine hmmm… guess it will be a bigger spend then if I’m ever gonna get a 4D it’ll need to be coupled with new glass. Thanks for the realistic reality check
@@rroorryyjj As someone who owns a lot of 2lb or so PL glass I had the same process. I think what will be happening is a lot of great 1lb D and E mount lenses will come out in the next year or two to fill the gap.
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Great Video content wise! technically a bit out of focus. was a little ditracting