For my money it’s the Himalayan all day, I happen to own one as well. I like the Scram, it’s a great bike… it’s just that I like having the panniers, the crash bars, the screen… My Himalayan goes off road and I use it for touring. Cheers 😎
Nice to see back to back comparison, cheers. Didn't realise you were in Warrington until you mentioned it. Recognised the roads, then. I grew up around there but moved south years ago, you've reminded me, it's always raining oop north, lol. Thanks for your efforts, much appreciated.
I've traded my Tiger 800XRX for a Himalayan. The Tiger was comfortable and fast but just too big and heavy for the dire roads in rural North Essex. Even the trunk toads are so congested that you dont go much faster than 60mph. The Himalayan laughs at the bad surfaces and muck on the road but still makes me smile. Its like the old mini. You can ring its neck and use all the available power, or you can potter around with sweet torque. I've got a 70hp Thunderbird for cruising or taking the missus out on sunny days, but the Himalayan gets my vote for every day riding in the built up south of the country.
Its really a simple choice...if you ride predominantly back roads ,some sealed, some gravel then the Himalayan is your Huckleberry . Mine is at home doing 70 and 80 on the gravel all day long. Fabulous ergonomiccs and what's that other big word ? Oh yeah, Geometry, it has great geometry . For me at 188cm tall, the only thing I'd like to change is the seat, it tends to push me foreward .
Thanks. Royal Enfield have tweeked the fuelling with the throttle body on the Scram and applies to new Himalayans as well apparently. I like both as well. And the classic is great as well. I can't decide between the 3. But leaning towards the Scram. Cheers. 👍
The scram is a good choice. It feels loads quicker than the classic. I’m actually going out today doing a meteor / classic comparison which should be on UA-cam next Sunday. But before you make your mind up the Hunter is coming. With a bit of luck I will be out on one soon.
I like the Himalayan for the screen,Centre stand and rack. The Scram looks lower in terms of your feet being flatter on the ground. Before I got the Scram, I’d ask if I can fit the screen,Centre stand and rack for a top box. I am 5’8.
I think the seat height is pretty much the same on both. I’m 5”8 and can flat foot them both. I’m sure you can get screens for the scram. Both great bikes though.
Ridden both, prefer the 21" front wheel on the himalayan, much nicer off road. The scram looks like someone put a himalayan thru a hot wash and it shrunk a bit.. love my himmi I do think the scram would be a better commuter but the himmi for camping trips
I’m trying to make this decision now. I had a Himalayan in 2021 and I sold it because I am 435 miles from the closest dealership. I’ve regretted ever since. Fast forward to this season. I bought a Honda crf300 Rally…and I’m not impressed. Great bike but no character. So, I’m off to buy a Royal Enfield! I loved the Himi but, now that the Scram is available….I’m in a knot trying to pick one…lol! I’ll post an update once I decide!
1 UP just for recording conditions and effort + honest pov. On both (each) bikes there is one major design flaw. They don't have rear shock guard. It's mandatory to have that. Rear shock is dead in the water really soon, just out of dirt and water. At least some after market solution would be nice but there isn't any. Hard to install.
I've 20k on my Himmy now. I put a neoprene shock cover on from new. It simply velcros round the shock. I rarely wash the bike but recently stripped the back end to check and regrease all the bearings and pivots. The rear shock was still like new thanks to the cover.
The Hunter 350 has appeared on the RE UK site so likely be the new bike. The Scram looks like the better choice for road riding, look forward to more reviews.
Hi Graham. Just watched your test on these two and the Hunter review. For me as road bike I'd take the Hunter everyday. If off road is your thing then it's the Himalayan.
I love the Himalayan as a platform but unfortunately the ergonomics don't work for me. The low split seat means I'm pushed too far forward and my knees rub against the cutouts in the tank. If they just gave me a bench seat option I'd be sorted as I could scoot back an inch or two! I'm waiting on the announcement/specs of the 450 Himalayan and I'll pull the trigger on one of them or a KTM 390 Adventure next year. I really do favour the Enfield in terms of riding experience though, tuning for chuggy torque over revvy power makes it a lovely bike to potter about on.
@@GillyBikes it might all be nonsense but an article I read about the 450 suggested it could have 45Nm of torque, up from the 411's 32Nm. With 40bhp that'd have peak power at around 6350rpm, still nice and low! For comparison the KTM 390 Adventure makes peak power at 9k rpm with 37Nm of torque. 450 is looking pretty chuggy!
There's a 2022 model with 946 miles on the clock. £3999 which seems ok when I look on Autotrader. It's had services by the dealer selling it. It's about the same power as a Suzuki SP 370 I had in 1987 so a realistic bike to get back into biking on.
@@GillyBikes It gets better! I phoned to enquire about it and a Scram they had. Apparently they are both current demo bixe. The price has dropped on the Himi I was told but the sales chap didn't know to what. If I pop back for a test ride they can sort me out a price!! I'll hopefully be able to take them up on that.
My garage is not where i live so after spending a day on the v strom i have to swap bikes for insurance reasons to park outside my flat .so out comes the scram its great and the power or lack of doesnt come into it . Worth noting All the extra metal hanging off the himmi also transmits vibration.
stylewise, i find the SCRAM looks better. But as i need it for longer touring i would outfit it anyway with panniers and this front rack and then i can simply directly buy the himalayan
It is the scram for me as well. I never really liked the looks of the Himalayan but it is comfortable. I don’t know why they didn’t try a flat track styling exercise. The ones I’ve seen look pretty good.
I like both and I've tried both.... but every time I consider buying one, Royal Enfield release another bike! I like the Meteor too but I'm holding out till I've tried the Hunter I'll be getting down to see those guys in Warrington soon..... I might have to off load a few Triumphs and a BM first though, just to make room
I owned and toured the eastern half of the Trans-American Trail on a 650 Vee Strom. Compared to larger ADV bikes, the DL650 is considered "small". But the Himalayan is narrower and lighter - truly nimble. Like you mentioned, the Himalayan should be compared to the CRF300. The Scram should be compared to naked scramblers. No one should buy the Scram if they intend to add knobby tires, windscreen or touring luggage - just buy the Himalayan! But if you are an urban rider, the Scram may be the best choice for you.
I picked the scram because I do more road than off road. I wasn’t a big fan of standing up on the scram though. The Himalayan is much better when your standing on the pegs.
All the 400’s look amazing. Have the prices come out yet? That might be what puts people off. I would bet they will be considerably more expensive than these.
I found a few things online for reducing seat height. From reducing foam in the seat, changing to a low profile tyre and these apparently lower the height by 20mm. accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-shop/rear-suspension/41376#
Love them both but for me it has to the Himalayan still. I like the fact that you can customise the Himalayan with panniers, tool box etc apart from having the screen when it rains. I live in the country side so ride on small lanes which are not always smooth or well maintained and the bike just handles everything that it gets asked to do. The only thing I don't like is the weight! I'm not young any more at 70 so for me pushing it around is hard work. I just make sure you plan ahead to make manoeuvring easier. Enjoy the videos many thanks.
Thanks Andy. I really do like both bikes. I mainly do road riding so the scram suits me more but I am very tempted by the Himalayan. It might make me be a bit more adventurous. I know there is a new one coming out next year. I might have to wait and see what that is like before I decide. I have heard the new 450 has 20 more HP 🤫
Hi Graham, I've been down to in2moto a few times hummed and arrrgh about buying a green Himalayan or Scram I think I'd go for Himalayan Best regards Shaun
The scram himalay and the other Himalayan are the same engine chassis riding ergonomic so how can standing be dirfferent . Only difference is front wheel really . Ps I have a SCRAM
Hi there, Dave in France here, I bought a 2022 Himi 2 months and 2100 kms ago and am absolutely loving it. I bought it because : A. it's cheap ! 5200€ in France; B. It's light - 195 kgs fully fuelled, steers light; C. Not an experienced off-roader but she gives me the confidence to try and now I'm loving offroad; D. 102 mpg !! I kid you not that's what I'm getting from her, so in these days of expensive petrol costs she just shrugs it off; E. Mine is in Lake blue and I always look back as I leave her; F. Rides on and offroad brilliantly - not powerful but on smaller nagerey country roads she handles superbly. Don't let anyone tell you a 21" front wheel is no good for onroad. G. Accessories are very reasonably priced; H. The engine has opened up significantly so now after 2000kms, she revs better, smoother and generally feels like she's keen to go. Much better than when brand new. I. She has a centre stand so a piece of cake to do chain maintenance; NEGATIVES: 1. Rider comfort, specifically the seat. I have both std. and comfort seats and neither gives me a comfortable ride. I bought an air cushion which improves things slightly but more is required. So there you have my experience, I'm loving riding my Himi as she does everything I want and more.
That’s some impressive MPG. Wow. I really do like the Himalayan but nowhere near me to take bikes off road so it would be wasted on me. When the 450cc arrives I might look again. It’s supposed to have nearly double the horse power than the current one so I’m really looking forward to having a go on that.
I really enjoyed this video because I am on the fence between these two RE models. Both are good but I think I will go for the Himalayan for the practicality of it. Cheers.
The 411 are still being sold new in the UK but I don’t think they have many left. It’s sad they have not kept making them. I think I prefer the 411 over the new 450. 😭
Had a KTM 1090 Adventure, awesome bike but I realised I don't need/can't use 125hp - and reliability issues/dealer support let it down. Maybe I was unlucky. Now got an Interceptor, 47hp is all I need and loving it for smiles per hour. Tempted now to pick up another Royal Enfield, the Scram looks the business. Decisions, decisions, lol...
Very well put. I’m the same. You don’t need all the power when you never get chance to use it. One of my favourite bikes to ride is the RE Hunter 350. Such a fun bike to throw around.
It’s all about personal preference. I change my bike every year so I swap between English, Italian, Japanese, American to name but a few. All different but all fun. Not everyone wants high performance. Not everyone wants a sports bike, adventure bike etc. Everyone is different. I love that we have all got loads of different bike options. These are some options. Others are available 😀
Bike is crap.Nothing really works as it should without twice a month visit service station most of times without solution...........Only for showrooms cause are these are beauties.Unless you re looking for nervous breakdown on the side of the road waiting assistant.Ridiculous company at least......................
Hi Graham, sorry for photo bombing your intro. I’ve bought that bike. Thanks for the advice.
Haha. I thought you would. Its a nice bike that one. 👍.
For my money it’s the Himalayan all day, I happen to own one as well.
I like the Scram, it’s a great bike… it’s just that I like having the panniers, the crash bars, the screen… My Himalayan goes off road and I use it for touring.
Cheers 😎
Both great bikes. It was a difficult choice for me.
Nice to see back to back comparison, cheers. Didn't realise you were in Warrington until you mentioned it. Recognised the roads, then. I grew up around there but moved south years ago, you've reminded me, it's always raining oop north, lol. Thanks for your efforts, much appreciated.
You’re not wrong. It’s always raining up here 😂 I can’t wait for summer.
I've traded my Tiger 800XRX for a Himalayan. The Tiger was comfortable and fast but just too big and heavy for the dire roads in rural North Essex. Even the trunk toads are so congested that you dont go much faster than 60mph. The Himalayan laughs at the bad surfaces and muck on the road but still makes me smile. Its like the old mini. You can ring its neck and use all the available power, or you can potter around with sweet torque.
I've got a 70hp Thunderbird for cruising or taking the missus out on sunny days, but the Himalayan gets my vote for every day riding in the built up south of the country.
Its really a simple choice...if you ride predominantly back roads ,some sealed, some gravel then the Himalayan is your Huckleberry .
Mine is at home doing 70 and 80 on the gravel all day long.
Fabulous ergonomiccs and what's that other big word ?
Oh yeah, Geometry, it has great geometry . For me at 188cm tall, the only thing I'd like to change is the seat, it tends to push me foreward .
The Himalayan is a great bike that will go anywhere the Scram is good on the road. All depends on what you use it for.
Thanks. Royal Enfield have tweeked the fuelling with the throttle body on the Scram and applies to new Himalayans as well apparently. I like both as well. And the classic is great as well. I can't decide between the 3. But leaning towards the Scram. Cheers. 👍
The scram is a good choice. It feels loads quicker than the classic. I’m actually going out today doing a meteor / classic comparison which should be on UA-cam next Sunday. But before you make your mind up the Hunter is coming. With a bit of luck I will be out on one soon.
I like the Himalayan for the screen,Centre stand and rack. The Scram looks lower in terms of your feet being flatter on the ground. Before I got the Scram, I’d ask if I can fit the screen,Centre stand and rack for a top box. I am 5’8.
I think the seat height is pretty much the same on both. I’m 5”8 and can flat foot them both. I’m sure you can get screens for the scram. Both great bikes though.
Ridden both, prefer the 21" front wheel on the himalayan, much nicer off road. The scram looks like someone put a himalayan thru a hot wash and it shrunk a bit.. love my himmi
I do think the scram would be a better commuter but the himmi for camping trips
Absolutely. All depends on what they are being used for. Both good bikes.
I’m trying to make this decision now. I had a Himalayan in 2021 and I sold it because I am 435 miles from the closest dealership. I’ve regretted ever since. Fast forward to this season. I bought a Honda crf300 Rally…and I’m not impressed. Great bike but no character. So, I’m off to buy a Royal Enfield! I loved the Himi but, now that the Scram is available….I’m in a knot trying to pick one…lol! I’ll post an update once I decide!
Tough choice. Keep me posted 👍
1 UP just for recording conditions and effort + honest pov.
On both (each) bikes there is one major design flaw. They don't have rear shock guard. It's mandatory to have that. Rear shock is dead in the water really soon, just out of dirt and water.
At least some after market solution would be nice but there isn't any. Hard to install.
I've 20k on my Himmy now. I put a neoprene shock cover on from new. It simply velcros round the shock. I rarely wash the bike but recently stripped the back end to check and regrease all the bearings and pivots. The rear shock was still like new thanks to the cover.
The Hunter 350 has appeared on the RE UK site so likely be the new bike. The Scram looks like the better choice for road riding, look forward to more reviews.
Cheers. Yes I think it is the hunter. It looks nice. Can’t wait to have a go.
Hi Graham. Just watched your test on these two and the Hunter review. For me as road bike I'd take the Hunter everyday. If off road is your thing then it's the Himalayan.
My thoughts exactly. 👍
Great review.
Personally I have the Himmy, but I can see a strong cae for the Scram.
The best choice would be having both 😂.
I love the Himalayan as a platform but unfortunately the ergonomics don't work for me. The low split seat means I'm pushed too far forward and my knees rub against the cutouts in the tank. If they just gave me a bench seat option I'd be sorted as I could scoot back an inch or two! I'm waiting on the announcement/specs of the 450 Himalayan and I'll pull the trigger on one of them or a KTM 390 Adventure next year. I really do favour the Enfield in terms of riding experience though, tuning for chuggy torque over revvy power makes it a lovely bike to potter about on.
I keep hearing the 450 himi is going to have 20hp more than the current model. That makes it a very interesting option. I might have to get one.
@@GillyBikes it might all be nonsense but an article I read about the 450 suggested it could have 45Nm of torque, up from the 411's 32Nm. With 40bhp that'd have peak power at around 6350rpm, still nice and low! For comparison the KTM 390 Adventure makes peak power at 9k rpm with 37Nm of torque. 450 is looking pretty chuggy!
For me personally I like the current one so if they up the power I will be happy.
There's a 2022 model with 946 miles on the clock. £3999 which seems ok when I look on Autotrader. It's had services by the dealer selling it. It's about the same power as a Suzuki SP 370 I had in 1987 so a realistic bike to get back into biking on.
Decent price that 👍
@@GillyBikes It gets better! I phoned to enquire about it and a Scram they had. Apparently they are both current demo bixe. The price has dropped on the Himi I was told but the sales chap didn't know to what. If I pop back for a test ride they can sort me out a price!! I'll hopefully be able to take them up on that.
Let me know how that goes.
@@GillyBikes Will do mate.
Lots of brand new ones on biketrader for 3999!
Himmys AND Scrams!
My garage is not where i live so after spending a day on the v strom i have to swap bikes for insurance reasons to park outside my flat .so out comes the scram its great and the power or lack of doesnt come into it . Worth noting All the extra metal hanging off the himmi also transmits vibration.
I love the scram and the himi. Great value. The scram is definitely better for road riding.
@@GillyBikes it's a daily bike work etc. Also ridden himmi.
stylewise, i find the SCRAM looks better. But as i need it for longer touring i would outfit it anyway with panniers and this front rack and then i can simply directly buy the himalayan
It is the scram for me as well. I never really liked the looks of the Himalayan but it is comfortable. I don’t know why they didn’t try a flat track styling exercise. The ones I’ve seen look pretty good.
Totally agree. The Himalayan is not a looker but will go anywhere. The scram looks good.
I like both and I've tried both.... but every time I consider buying one, Royal Enfield release another bike!
I like the Meteor too but I'm holding out till I've tried the Hunter
I'll be getting down to see those guys in Warrington soon..... I might have to off load a few Triumphs and a BM first though, just to make room
The hunter might be there in a few days 🤫
I owned and toured the eastern half of the Trans-American Trail on a 650 Vee Strom. Compared to larger ADV bikes, the DL650 is considered "small". But the Himalayan is narrower and lighter - truly nimble. Like you mentioned, the Himalayan should be compared to the CRF300. The Scram should be compared to naked scramblers. No one should buy the Scram if they intend to add knobby tires, windscreen or touring luggage - just buy the Himalayan! But if you are an urban rider, the Scram may be the best choice for you.
Yes absolutely. I like both of these bikes. For little run arounds they are a good option.
Rusty exhaust already. Reminds me of my Honda XL's of the 80's, painted matt black and rusty within months.
Yeah. Not great.
Scram because it handles well on tarmac or slime and a bit of of exhaust change will see more ponies. Can't fault mine.
I picked the scram because I do more road than off road. I wasn’t a big fan of standing up on the scram though. The Himalayan is much better when your standing on the pegs.
New Triumph 400X Scrambler might be the one!
All the 400’s look amazing. Have the prices come out yet? That might be what puts people off. I would bet they will be considerably more expensive than these.
Could you drop the front forks to get a little less seat height?
I found a few things online for reducing seat height. From reducing foam in the seat, changing to a low profile tyre and these apparently lower the height by 20mm. accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/accessory-shop/rear-suspension/41376#
Love them both but for me it has to the Himalayan still. I like the fact that you can customise the Himalayan with panniers, tool box etc apart from having the screen when it rains. I live in the country side so ride on small lanes which are not always smooth or well maintained and the bike just handles everything that it gets asked to do. The only thing I don't like is the weight! I'm not young any more at 70 so for me pushing it around is hard work. I just make sure you plan ahead to make manoeuvring easier. Enjoy the videos many thanks.
Thanks Andy. I really do like both bikes. I mainly do road riding so the scram suits me more but I am very tempted by the Himalayan. It might make me be a bit more adventurous. I know there is a new one coming out next year. I might have to wait and see what that is like before I decide. I have heard the new 450 has 20 more HP 🤫
Hi Graham, I've been down to in2moto a few times hummed and arrrgh about buying a green Himalayan or Scram I think I'd go for Himalayan
Best regards Shaun
Great choice. My next bike is going to be a Himalayan. Might swap my 125 for one after the new year.
The scram himalay and the other Himalayan are the same engine chassis riding ergonomic so how can standing be dirfferent . Only difference is front wheel really . Ps I have a SCRAM
It’s been that long since I did this review I can’t remember. I will have to revisit them both.
Except the one time when you need the ABS switch
Hi there, Dave in France here, I bought a 2022 Himi 2 months and 2100 kms ago and am absolutely loving it.
I bought it because :
A. it's cheap ! 5200€ in France;
B. It's light - 195 kgs fully fuelled, steers light;
C. Not an experienced off-roader but she gives me the confidence to try and now I'm loving offroad;
D. 102 mpg !! I kid you not that's what I'm getting from her, so in these days of expensive petrol costs she just shrugs it off;
E. Mine is in Lake blue and I always look back as I leave her;
F. Rides on and offroad brilliantly - not powerful but on smaller nagerey country roads she handles superbly. Don't let anyone tell you a 21" front wheel is no good for onroad.
G. Accessories are very reasonably priced;
H. The engine has opened up significantly so now after 2000kms, she revs better, smoother and generally feels like she's keen to go. Much better than when brand new.
I. She has a centre stand so a piece of cake to do chain maintenance;
NEGATIVES:
1. Rider comfort, specifically the seat. I have both std. and comfort seats and neither gives me a comfortable ride. I bought an air cushion which improves things slightly but more is required.
So there you have my experience, I'm loving riding my Himi as she does everything I want and more.
That’s some impressive MPG. Wow. I really do like the Himalayan but nowhere near me to take bikes off road so it would be wasted on me. When the 450cc arrives I might look again. It’s supposed to have nearly double the horse power than the current one so I’m really looking forward to having a go on that.
I like the 411
Me to. 😎
Audio have to get better.
Bought better kit now. I’m still learning so hopefully improving as I go.
I really enjoyed this video because I am on the fence between these two RE models. Both are good but I think I will go for the Himalayan for the practicality of it. Cheers.
Both great bikes but you can definitely do more on the Himalayan 👍
New owner scram 411
Congrats 👍
The Scam is just a Himalayan without the upgrades.
More road focused bike.
Bit more Shiney
There bikes are like an ugly wife. But she cleans the house and is a fantastic cook.
😂😂😂😂
To use the word ugly would be wrong. It would be like an average looking wife.
😂. I still would 😂
It's late 2024, Himalayan
The 411 are still being sold new in the UK but I don’t think they have many left. It’s sad they have not kept making them. I think I prefer the 411 over the new 450. 😭
Larger Gas Tank...a
Both have No Power.
Getting a KTM, it has power.
Yes compared to that they don’t. They are a bit cheaper though 👍
Had a KTM 1090 Adventure, awesome bike but I realised I don't need/can't use 125hp - and reliability issues/dealer support let it down. Maybe I was unlucky. Now got an Interceptor, 47hp is all I need and loving it for smiles per hour. Tempted now to pick up another Royal Enfield, the Scram looks the business. Decisions, decisions, lol...
Very well put. I’m the same. You don’t need all the power when you never get chance to use it. One of my favourite bikes to ride is the RE Hunter 350. Such a fun bike to throw around.
Heads you lose and tails you lose. Buy a used Japanese machine, save money, and enjoy a different level of performance and quality.
It’s all about personal preference. I change my bike every year so I swap between English, Italian, Japanese, American to name but a few. All different but all fun. Not everyone wants high performance. Not everyone wants a sports bike, adventure bike etc. Everyone is different. I love that we have all got loads of different bike options. These are some options. Others are available 😀
Rubbish
I just brought the scram am in Australia with plenty of dirt to play with
shame the scram has horrible wheels
Bike is crap.Nothing really works as it should without twice a month visit service station most of times without solution...........Only for showrooms cause are these are beauties.Unless you re looking for nervous breakdown on the side of the road waiting assistant.Ridiculous company at least......................
I,m in the Himmy Camp ;)
Both great bikes. I would be happy with either. 👍