Alright, this video is another experiment where I use the social theory stuff purely as an analytical tool and contextualise the comics as a form of literature review. This essay is also soft ending for the Comparing Spider-Men series, although it may come back with an analysis on different knock off live-action and animated versions of the character, or a second part to this video where I go through more of Goffman's identity concepts, but that's going to happen waaaaaay into the future. However, there are 7 Spider-Man videos planned for the closer future ranging from a second Mary Jane video, the PS4 game and a bunch of stuff about Miles Morales.
Yes! I really like these essays and love all the work you put into the Spider-liveactionverse but I was about to ask if you would try to do an analysis with Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse, just so that you could talk about mvp Miles Morales. Good to know there is more spider content on the way!
It’s just the problem is mcu peter just doesn’t have any relatability or have any of the core aspects of the character, if he did then mcu would be different in its approach all together
Stan Lee: "You could be any kid. You could be black, you could be asian, you could be indian, you could be anything and imagine you were in that costume. So I think that made it relevant to everybody everywhere." I just love Stan Lee more and more now that he said that. RIP Stan EXCELSIOR!!!!
@@anuragrai612 yeah HiTop films pretends like Uncle Ben is supposed to be present as much as possible to stay true to the comics when in reality he was barely in them or mentioned. I don’t comprehend exactly what you mean about the PS4 Spider-Man aspect of your comment, do you mean you disagreed with HiTop’s review of Spider-Man PS4?
@@anuragrai612 ohh ok, I got it now. It’s very hard to discredit the PS4 Spider-Man though I’m sure we all have to come to the same consensus on that one which is nice compared to the back and forth about the live action films lol
8:41 Isn't there like a two minute montage of Peter brainstorming ideas and designs for the spidey suit? I think the fact that he drew that thing with several different concepts in mind from numerous angels that all look very well proportioned shows a fair amount of creativity.
He also down plays the part about his gift. Throughout the movies, mostly in the first and even more in the second he shows interest in science and that he has a bright future ahead of him (but poetically Spider-Man keeps bringing him down).
In my personal opinion, none of the Spider-Man film adoptions have really touched exactly what I find appealing about the character. They all are pretty close but all divert into their own themes like you said in the video. I think that's why I can't hate any version of him, they all appeal to me in different ways.
I think I like the Into the Spiderverse one is because it does address the fact that Peter's life is a mess and it does take a toll on him, but he's always going to get back up.
@@gearzx7562 Yes, but the Raimi films draw too distinct a line between Peter and Spider-Man. Raimi was too obsessed with the "Peter has a shitty life" aspect of the character - thus largely making Spider-Man a burdensome duty to Peter more than anything else. When Maguire is off screen, Spider-Man may as well be a different character.
It is very interesting. I’ve always said that the Sam Ramey (?) Peter was always childish and baby like and that’s why I didn’t like him. It makes sense now bc I’ve never seen life s that. It seems too fake for me, and it’s bc the Sam Peter doesn’t grow up. The Amazing Peter always seemed dark and gritty to me. It seemed to bring out the worst parts of life and didn’t feel like it had hope a lot of the time. All they showed was him being alone and that Spiderman couldn’t have anyone in his life. Then comes Tom Holland’s version, and I loved how they portrayed it. That’s only bc it’s how I view life. You learn how to grow, through the good and bad, but never alone. I’ve always been confused as to why people liked the other two over the Marvel rendition, but now I understand. They’re all different outlooks on life.
"... Webb declaring that this Spider-Man is destined to be alone forever with no teams." Damn, if that isn't the most depressing statement that I've heard in a while about TASM. That's probably why I find his characterization to be more interesting and much more rich in comparison to his other adaptations. This version of Peter Parker gives into his impulses and his selfish desires, the ones that make him more raw and more human. It transcends that border line between a character and someone with whom we might know in real life, and I think that's the beauty of (with how I personally, at least) see Spider-Man - he's the most realistic fictional character there is by a milestone. This adaptation, while bittersweet, demonstrates that by the end: Peter doesn't give up, and he continues to fight another day, despite losing so much in the process.
I totally agree! I’m in the same boat. I feel like Raimi and MCU in comparison rely more on the “public image” of Spider-Man without really considering the more introspective elements he has.
Right here with you! TASM imo is the most true to message interpretation of Spider-Man. Peter's arc is so spectacularly done, and like you said the loneliness that follows Peter. It's like a looming doom that will never leave him be. Theres a moment at the end of TASM1, where the fight is over; the last living attachment to his parents is dead. And the man who made him change his selfish loner nature, and the father of his girlfriend has been murdered. And there he stands, alone. The camera pans out to show a wider shot of the city. Showing him, just him. Alone. Leaving us, the veiwer, with a feeling of emptiess. It's so beautiful that I teared up the first time I saw it, and I still tear up when I see it today! It has to be one of my favorite shots in film history. And the whole part after with Mr. Stacy's funeral, and Gwen's confrontation with Peter is very emotional. That's once again that loneliness peeking back out, almost whispering to Peter, "you'll forever be alone, anyone and everyone who gets to close to you is doomed." But he gives into his primal instinct, and forgets about the so called "easy way out". He gets back together with Gwen. Then whole final swing sequence is by far my favorite in any Spider-Man movie. It perfectly gets the point across that no matter what, Spider-Man will always be there to save the city. Never shall he back down from the challenge of evils threating innocent citizens, even if he's lost his whole world; the noble hero who was sprouted from tragedy, it's very uplifting actually! That's only have the reason why I've come to love TASM as much as I do, but yea lol!
Ugh oh. You made a slightly critical observation of the Raimi films. Watch out, bro. Raimi stans don't like their Daddy being criticized for his Perfect God Tier Adaption of Spider-Man.
@@everythingnerd4953 Sorry. I can actually only speak for myself and my friends, but I figured that people would agree with me since the show is popular and the psychologies and arcs of its characters are very good and consistent.
THANK YOU for mentioning the great power great responsibility Line. I have been trying to tell people that ben didn’t say it he only says it in the ultimate comics
That's the funny thing, I just realized yesterday that's were "Ben as martyr" kinda came from. Because the first spider-man movie also borrowed quite some from ultimate spider-man. I want to correct myself for this: it was also a thing in the 90s spider-man cartoon as well.
11:23 as much as I like FFH, I still wonder why Talos thought it was a good idea to involve a kid who doesn't even have his driver's license yet and give him access to a weapons network complete with drones. Like, Tony just took him to Germany.
@Sidney J. Duffy true. But really, I get Tony's dying wish, but why did they decided Peter was ready to have it at age 16 and grieving? It's like they needed Rhodey there to go "Just wait until he graduates college!"
This perfectly explains why Tobey is my least favorite Peter. I grew up with him and his movies make me so nostalgic, but it misses so much of the nuance of Peter as a character.
Marvel always fucks over any comic involving adult Peter, so there isn't much to compare him to, especially when the PS4 universe treats only a couple of the classic comic issues as canon.
I don't really know (well, i do know it's just how i wanted to start this comment) but i think that my favorities Spideys are the ones that i can see myself in them the most. Webb' version talks a lot about growing up in loneliness (besides de classmates and friends you have along the journey), and Watt's version brings up how we want to be like our idols and we have to be more than them. There's this line that John Mayer said once that "you create your own style while your trying to emulate your idols" (or something like that, i really don't remember it now), that really fits in Tom Holand's interpretation. The Spidey from the Spectacular animated series is really focused in how being a good person is extremaly hard, and sometimes you have to be responsible and sacrifice so much for the right thing (all the versions of spidey do that, but i think this version is special because of the monologues that Peter has in his head and how it let the conflicts caused by it, have weight and be sincere not just to the character, but to the audience as well). There's a long time that i don't watch the Raimi's version, because for me it's like your reading a book about greek mitology and the whole story functions as a legend, not that it isn't great/good, it's just don't fit any longer for me, after i grew older :/ PS:. love your videos especially about this great character
dude this brought a tear to my eye. I love when someone can articulate something about a character/film/franchise that I feel but can't articulate and you did it beautifully here. I've always argued that all three interpretations, while imperfect, are loving in their core understandings of Peter Parker and you nailed it.
I'll always have a passion for Raimi and Webb, but Watts' interpretation is an interesting one that I'm still invested, MCU Spidey may have had some issues for me in films like Endgame and FFH but I think he had a good portrayal from Civil War to Infinity War. Personally I feel like he became his own man in the third act of Homecoming and the entirety of IW, of course FFH kinda took a huge step back imo. I just don't think of the Raimi Trilogy higher than others, claiming as the reason I exist or why it created the universe or it's objectively better than most Spider-Man interpretations. I like it as much as Webb and Watts, I have my issues with all three and they have pros and cons. Raimi Trilogy isn't perfect, Webb Duology isn't perfect and Watts' (soon-to-be) Home Trilogy isn't perfect. They have their strengths and flaws.
The problem with TASM, Sony believed they can get the best by investing the most expensive ingredient. Yes, it's delicious but the flavors kind'a contradicting each other.... It is.... unique'ish? I assume. Watt's dish is quite balance, yes he abandoned some ingredient the previous chef (uncle Ben death) with a bit unique twists. It's not exceptionally delicious but this is it's feature, fitting perfectly with other dishes in a banquet (MCU).
I dont think FFH took a step back beacuse in HC he accepts the fact that he isnt ready to be an avenger and that all the bells and whistles on the suit he doesnt need (after thinking he does) and are over the top to the point he doesnt put them in the FFH suit (as far as we know) and realizes that he was just as much Spider man as he was before he got the Stark suit to what he did have it. But even tho hes realized those things he still has that saftey net of Stark being there if anything goes really bad. in FFH, Stark is gone and there is no other heros there he can easily get hold of if he needs desperate help like he could with Stark. On top of that, the media keeps asking him if he is goi g to be the next Iron Man (metephorically) and protect the Earth. This then puts stress on Peter becasue he doesnt think he is ready for that level of responsibility hence why he turned down the Stark at the end of HC. He also has built up this imaginary image that Stark was the perfect hero and it isnt untill the talk with Happy that he realizes Stark was far from perfect which is when Peter finally stops comparing him self to Stark and decides that he just needs to do what he can as Spider man to the best of his ability rather than trying to be someone else or live up to someone else.
This! This is the comment I've been looking for! Great job putting it into words bro! Couldn't have said it better than you have here! I love all three!
This was another great analysis. I do think it’s important to note that no character can truly be defined by their first appearance alone, but rather in what way the character has endured over time. I’d argue that looking at the Romita Sr era would give a better impression of what defines the character, because by this point the kinks had been ironed out and what we were left with is what the character still largely remains to this day. Additionally, the fact that Uncle Ben is only present for little of this comic is really only a byproduct of the fact that AF15 is only about 15 pages long, therefore the story has to be severely condensed. The character’s significance to Peter is something that was reiterated over time, especially because in AF15 his death was fresh in Peter’s mind, whereas when ASM first started, he’d had some time to come to terms with it.
Thank you really. This guy literally argued that Johnny Storm was more important to Peter as a mentor figure because he was mentioned more during the first couple issues of ASM... and I'm like "Really? Can he understand that teh character has grown far more than those issues?"
It's interesting how the Raimi movies placed Uncle Ben on this pedestal that seems to have bled into the future versions of Spider-man, so much that the MCU (while it would be nice to mention his name just once) gets a lot of hate for not having Uncle Ben be this philosophical figure that directly taught Peter to do the right thing for the sake of it being the right thing to do. Even though the comics barely had him present in the origin, making his death much more natural and his presence as that of an everyday failure resulting in the loss of a loved one as opposed to this messiah figure who tried to teach the world the value of responsibility. I'm not throwing any hate towards the Raimi or Webb movies, just a bit at the fans who go on a gatekeeping crusade based on Peter not openly discussing his greatest failure to his friends and the people he looks up to
It's interesting that both the first Spider-man film and Ultimate Spider-man came out at basically the same time, and both upgraded Uncle Ben's role. To cover the same ground of Amazing Fantasy 15, USM took 6 issues, and gave Ben much more character. And I believe was given the Great Responsibility line, too. Honestly, I would love some more context on the MCU Ben, but now with Iron Man as the surrogate father and his death, it seems Peter is headed in a much more distinct direction.
The problem with this video is that it takes only the first couple dozens of ASM issues as if that was the entirety of Spider-Man's story, and not gone beyond that. Uncle's Ben importance developed far more further into the road, little by little. It's not that there's one particular issue where Peter says "Uncle Ben is my ultimate reference" But the fact that over the years, Peter always goes back to his Uncle's example, he always brings him up, the guilt over causing his deaths always comes back, etc. It's the constant and meaningful showcases of Uncle's Ben impact in Peter's life what establishes him as the life example Peter follows... and this video missed that mark
@@vicentediez452 I think a factor here (That his newest video on defending MCU Spider-man delves into) is that the MCU seems to be building up to the importance of Uncle Ben as being more of a direct symbol of Spider-man's motivations. The MCU is basically building Peter from the ground up to reflect his growth in those early comics, it isn't until he's in college that Uncle Ben has this bigger significance than just being the point where Peter became Spider-man. If MCU Spider-man is going where it looks to be going, No Way Home (as well as the Freshman Year animated show) is going to give Ben a proper introduction as this significant figure. And his memory *becomes* something that keeps Peter on the right path. And if the MCU have it so Tobey is also Tom's Uncle Ben (if they made the fan theory that Peter was the kid in _Iron Man 2_ canon, then this is barely pushing it), then maybe after seeing the face of his Uncle acting as Spider-man, it'll bring him back to that shore of stability, familiarity and responsibility (I'm picturing Tom looking through pictures when everything is finished and finds one with a younger him with Uncle Ben and Aunt May). Basically, the MCU is following the structure of those early comics, including making Ben become a more significant figure when Peter begins to face bigger threats on his own as he matures from a boy trying to be like other heroes to a man who becomes his own hero
@@ImplicitlyPretentious Can you? I want to see your perspective on it. Because I do think he is just a copy cat of peter in the comics. But then again I want to like him and I do but tbh some people see him as a reskin. So is he justified of being Spider-Man or just a copy cat of peter?
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Great video, although I have to disagree about the part where Sam's Spider-Man lacked any creative personality (although, at least in the first movie, it did downplay his scientific skills). Let's not forget that his original motive that made him create the Spider-Man persona was money (just like the comic books), but the movie doesn't fully recognise him as Spider-Man until after he encounters his uncle's killer. There was this scene where he was drawing his super suit and coming up with a name (the Human Spider 😂) although not nearly as much of a creative demonstration as The Amazing Spider-Man, but it is still there. Saying that he doesn't have ambition is untrue (as Spider-Man he may not have that much of an ambition) because he wanted to be a great scientist like Otto Octavius. And also yeah he does want to give up in the second one, but so did the other two (even comic book Spider-Man) in FFH he wants to stop being Spider-Man to relax in his high school trip (he wanted to get rid so much his responsibilities that he gave EDITH to mysterio) and in TASM 2 he gave up for awhile after Gwen's death. They all have in common the weight of being Spider-Man especially in everyone's second movie. The reason why Sam's Spider-Man lost his powers is, because deep down he didn't want to be Spider-Man, due to the fact that it was ruining his personal life, just like it took Gwen in TASM 2, just like it makes Peter to not be liked by his fellow classmates in school in the MCU (although the writers could have done something better than that). In my opinion they all follow similar patterns in their own way.
@@robl0xgamer258 Age? Peters been graduated since 1965-1966 only been in high school for 3 years irl he’s been an adult since then most of his stories take place as an adult married to MJ or in College with Gwen or whatever else and for how he acts gotta give it up to Tobey he’s the only one whose acted close to comics Age,personality,core values. Tom idolizes other heroes ( comic Spider-Man does but not to a huge extent of every comic “Oh what would the Cap or Tony do??” ) in fact Spider-Man thought Stark was morally wrong and a few other things in Civil War and switched to caps side. Andrew was ok definitely was a more modern geek or uncool Skateboarding and isolating which is unlikable and you’d get bullied or at least people would be avoiding you which was fine for a modern take he only got 2 movies would’ve like to see where a 3rd would’ve gone. Tom is actually more like Miles (comics) with Ned=Ganke,Living Up to other heroes,Having a role model Ironman=Spider-Man,Unsure at first but getting the hang of it,lives fairly comfortable,wants to have a normal school life,etc.
Each iteration takes a series of traits from the original comic book version and do what they can to build their identity around that handful of traits. Tobey: Struggling to find balance as Spider-Man, can't keep a job, failing out of school, can't maintain a relationship and ponders whether or not if it's truly is his destiny to be the wallcrawler. Has dreams and ambitions, but keeps running into a dead end. Andrew: Mostly lonely throughout his life besides his family and old friend, often keeps to himself at school, but has this quiet desire to find answers to questions he's had through most of his life. Has a scientific side to him because he wants to be like his Dad that left him at a young age. Tom: Naïve, a novice, very new to the whole superhero thing, but very eager. But what's odd is that he seemingly doesn't have an origin to him. From what I can tell his traits are from a completely different Spider-Man, Miles. He wants to be a worthy successor, but a successor to Iron Man, not a pre-existing Spider-Man, which feels convoluted and out of place.
Brilliant video!!!!! And Nicholas Hammond’s Spider-Man truly is the best Spider-Man!😂 seriously tho, really great video man, definitely one of my favourites from u!
It’s also of note at the time of Spider-Man’s comic release there were no lead superheroes who were teenagers. For Stan Lee this was important because he wanted to let young people to know they matter.
@@nickname2239 the thing is that this is marvels last movie with Tom Holland so they will probably give it a super long runtime (like closer to 3 hours) or they might split it into 2 movies if sony lets them. All just speculation tho, we'll see in 2021
Why would they shove a spiderverse movie into whats supposed to be a solo film, focused on Peter running away because he was revealed as a murder to the entire world? I get it, you want to see all spidermen together, but I don't think it'll work, plus, if they shove a spiderverse into Tom's 3rd solo film, it'll probably just contradict what happened in the post credits of FFH, and tom would probably just be overshadowed by tobey and Andrew
In terms of character arcs I really love the Raimi series, exploring themes of sacrifice, unwanted responsibility and pride. Spider-Man 3 as awful as it is, the bits where Spider-Man becomes full of himself and ruins his relationship with MJ in the process is dark and he enters borderline cruel territory and I don't think future Spider-Man films will ever have the guts to explore Spidey that way again. I'll give TASM some credit for exploring Peter's selfishness that gets Gwen killed, but Spider-Man now is just a goodie two shoe poster child.
I think the general opinion 1) TM is the best Spiderman 2) AG is the best Peter and 3) TH is the best of both (but imo Peter is the comics has more pain in his life)
MCU’s Spider-Man is both closest to the original and furthest from it at the same time, he has the most classic looking suit, while being modern as well, represents well the teenagers of this era like the first Spider-Man did as well and the same way the 1960 Spider-Man was designed to subvert the traditional super hero stereotype, Tom Holland’s Spider-Man subverts the traditional Spider-Man man stereotype
For years I was convinced that like a group of leading public health officials are surgeons general, a group of leading public help officials are Spiders-Man.
Interestingly, the Ultimate version gave uncle Ben a lot more time but the description of him laughing at the burglar was one of the most heartbreaking parts.
I really hope Tom Holland’s Spidey tackles a Raimi-like story. Not because his previous films as Spidey fall short but more as a natural evolution of the character’s arc. Holland has the chops. Homecoming is far from my favorite Spider-film, but the climax and resolution is just so goddamn good and showed me Holland has untapped potential for great drama.
Screw the video, I’m just shocked that Stan Lee forgot the hyphen in the introduction of Amazing Fantasy #15. Does this mean we’ve written Spider-Man’s name wrong all along?
I kinda wish we got an interpretation of the origin which is more in line with Peter being a pseudo-incel jerk who is bitter about how others treat him while also being egocentric and the loss of Uncle Ben puts him in a journey to become less of a jerk. Many adaptations treat him as this sweet person from the start (sometimes kinda selfish) but I'd love a Peter who's so bad, the loss he experiences is not just tragedy, but also comeuppance.
Man, what a journey! Definitely your videos helped me to see Spider-Man with different eyes, and made me value each interpretation even more. Can't wait for the next video!
While different from Amazing Fantasy #15, I'd say Raimi's Peter is actually faithful to later comics or less early ones. A perfect example is The Amazing Spider-Man #50 which it adapts very closely. Peter deep down does have the desire to retire and give up being Spider-Man, because it keeps messing with his life. But he goes on anyway, because with great power, there must also come great responsibility.
@Greg Elchert Hi there . I also would like to make an argument which is: UNCLE BEN IS STILL THE REASON PETER PARKER IS SPIDER-MAN IN THE MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE! I understand other people who have an emotional attachment to that character like HiTopFilms, but for me he's someone to get the ball rolling most and foremost. I feel like the people who pay attention these details in the movies should know that Ben's presence is still present enough to know that he's the reason Peter puts on the costume in this universe. In Captain America Civil War SPIDER-MAN ALREADY EXISTS , it is established that Peter Parker has been Spider-Man for six months( taking down crooks and saving people from car crashes, etc,) before Tony Stark knocked on his doorstep. When Tony Stark asks Peter his motivations, he states,'' when you can do the things that I can but you don't then the bad things happen, they happen because of you''. This tells the audience what philosophy and moral compass the MCU Peter Parker stands for. Throughout the airport battle, Peter is very inexperienced compared to Cap and his team( he gets thrown out the window, even though he pinned Falcon and Bucky down, and he lost badly to Captain America who has lots of combat experience than Spidey) since this was his battle with superpowered opponents. Now let's go to Spider-Man Homecoming. In Spider-Man: Homecoming, which takes place two months after Civil War, is a coming of age story about a young man finding his place in the world as this Peter Parker is early into his superhero career( which explains how he's still coping his super strength and spider sense and apologizes to criminals for hitting them too hard, he hasn't swung on skyscrapers only on small buildings which explains why he is afraid of heights during the Washington Monument rescue) the story begins with Peter Parker returning to his normal life and superhero routine, but his so excited because he participated in the most biggest battles of all time with his idols and feel he's a superstar since Tony gave him a taste of the big leagues. MCU Peter still has those personality traits Peter Parker is supposed to have: he's not popular in school, very intelligent individual as shown when he gets a mathematical problem on the board right that Flash got wrong, and believably awkward. Even as Spider-Man he jokes when the situation is calls for it( making his jokes natural and appropriate) and even uses his pop-culture references to distract the enemies in Civil War and Infinity War, he knows when to get serious and stay focused( unlike Andrew GARFIELD AND SRAH MICHELLE GELLAR ( yeah I um don't like romances and horror together and I found her jokes forced and really mean! When he sees the alien weaponry( which he saw during his fight with some robbers he fought in the ATM bank earlier) and even though people are telling him to stop going after Vulture, he still follows his philosophy and moral compass. While yes his personal desire is to be an Avenger, he constantly states how dangerous the alien weaponry is dangerous multiple times throughout the movie('' the guy with the wings is the source of the weapons I gotta take him down'', these guys are selling weapons that are crazy dangerous, they can't be out on the streets, those weapons were out there and try to tell you about it but you wouldn't listen'', I know that selling weapons to criminals is wrong''). This is also further proved in the final act, where HE HAS GIVEN UP IMPRESSING TONY STARK and still goes after Vulture, even though people tell him not to, because it's the right thing to. At the end of the movie, Peter makes the choice of not joining the Avengers and continues to help the little guy, which is in character for a Peter who knows with great power, comes great responsibility. Also, Peter does receive consequences for his action such as due to him investigating a weaponry he gets humiliates for not showing up at Liz's party, he gets detention for skipping the school event, he gets more detention for skipping school and so many classes, worries his aunt, and loses Liz and she's moving due to her father being a criminal and HE KNEW THAT! MCU Spider-Man acts on his responsibilities as a superhero without anyone telling him so, and he does it for the greater good! In Avengers Infinity War( takes place 1 year and a half after Homecoming, Peter Parker at this point is a little more experienced with his life as Spider-Man as he is better at web swinging and he goes to space not to impress Mr. Stark, but to honor Queens since Thanos is hurting people, in which he says('' you can't be a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man if there is no neighborhood''). Peter is fighting against Thanos because if he does something he should, if he doesn't the bad things happen, they happen because of him, the philosophy he stands for as a superhero. Peter also priorities in saving the Guardians on Titan during their battle with Thanos, something in character for Peter Parker. In Spider-Man: Far From Home, in which the Marvel Cinematic Universe is a different world, still continues the coming of age journey for Peter Parker, as he now has to deal with the forcefulness and high expectations people have for him to follow Tony's footsteps, however Peter wants a break after everything that has happened in Infinity War and Endgame and WAS NOT GOING TO THROW THE TOWELS. Even though he wants a break for expectations and relax, during the Hydro-Man illusion Mysterio created, he saves a orphanage from a bell tower, which show where his priorities lie, and even when Talos disguised as Nick Fury, forces him to help out in world-threating mission, his main priority is keeping his classmates safe. When he has all these expectations thus upon him, he seeks Beck as the worthy successor to Tony Stark, little did he know that when he could do something( have EDITH) but he doesn't ( give Beck the EDITH glasses), the bad things happen because of him ( Quentin wrecking havoc upon London). After all the mistakes he made due to insecurities about himself, Peter reaches to Happy on the jet, and after his very emotional conversation with Happy, PETER ACKNOWLEDGES THAT TONY MADE MISTAKES, BUT WAS HIS OWN HERO, HIS OWN MORALS, HIS OWN MAN! Realizing this, Peter creates a costume that fits HIS OWN NEEDS since he has knowledge of Mysterio's illusion technology. Even with Peter getting the girl and saving the day, the Parker luck still plays as due to his naivety, Mysterio has announced his identity to the world and has been accused of murder due to the attack on London. THESE ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS! Tom Holland has been a personal favorite Spider-Man, since I was struggling to come into my own throughout my life and had to deal with forcefulness and expectations from my loved ones to change last year ( the worst day of my life), however realized that I have to make my choices and have to be my own person!
Oh nooo we didn't catch that last part of him saying what was his favorite spiderman. He made a mistake a cut it right when he was gonna say it. Like this comment so he will see his mistake
It's just me or in the Raimi adaptation of Spider-Man whether Peter will continue being Spider-Man or not is never to his choice when Marc's version is. Compared both SM2 and TASM 2 during the scene of Peter stop being Spidey for a while. While Tobey comeback because of Otto threatening to harm MJ, something that affect Peter's personal life. Andrew's Spidey just comeback because from hearing Gwen's dialogue, he knew Spider-Man is the hope for NY people. So he choose to continue being Spidey and fight Rhino even though he didn't affect any of his personal life. Choose to continue be the best version of himself Ok before any Raimi shills attacked me for saying my opinion, I just wanna say that I appreciate all the Spider-Man adaptation. Even Far From Home lol, I know what they're going for with it but the execution is just wrong in so many way lmao.
My problem with Andrew is that his Peter Parker acts like a romantic teen idol. Peter Parker is a dork. Holland and Tobey were both dorks. Tobey out of three was has the most dorkiest personality which makes him the best Peter Parker. To Andrew’s credit, out of the three he has the coolest personality which makes him the best Spider-Man. I think Holland balances Peter insecure side and Spider-Man’s confident side the most. I think all three did really good things as the character and lacked things. None of them are bad versions. The whole point of the character is that Spider-Man is extremely social, confident, strong, and the popular cool guy as Peter Parker is very unsocial, insecure, weak, and the unpopular dork.
I’m pulling a ned when I say I’m glad I get to join u on ur journey to growing ur platform. So little exposure u give ur small following so much good content. I’ve been here for a while now. Only just now realized u are putting so much effort in
Its such a minor detail, but I love how flamboyant and comfortable Stan was as a guy, look at the way he sits and how close they are and how he just swings his leg. He's enjoying himself and I love that. Stan was the guy. He was Peter Parker. May his Soul rest well knowing he inspired millions upon millions of people to be Greater. Sincerely, A Spidey Fan😁
I love the fact that the raimi version is not the comic accurate version as it twists many aspects of the character and I feel like it treats spiderman more like batman than spiderman. Also, now I want to see the faces of those keyboard warriors who said mcu spiderman is not true spiderman because it didn't showed uncle Ben's death.
I don't really know why people i see (not you) bring up how comic accuracy to tell a story needs to happen, Mcu spidey was never comic accurate, and I admire that, it gives the directors more freedom to establish the character, like molding a clay pot, but still keeping those tiny details that make the pot different, but still the same as the rest, and to me, mcu spidey may never be perfect, but I love that about it!
I was worried your videos might be too deep to keep my attention, but you did done good. Surprisingly also explained a lot I wasn’t realizing but felt.
All of your videos on the spider man fillms remind me that non-of them are my favourite, cause I love them all for different reasons (ok, maybe not TASM2 but that was due to studio intervention and such)
Leo, another good one to encapsulate it all! Good idea using the original Amazing Fantasy to see how film Spider-men stayed close to the source or diverged. It's always amazing to see how much story was compressed into 13 pages, and it makes sense films would take some liberties to fill in the gaps. BTW, the music choices for this video were killer! Good work!
Spiderman has always been a character close to my heart. He and X-men for about 30yrs. I was a freshman in high school when 'Spiderman' came out in theaters. I've noted the artistic direction with each iteration, in relation to the comics mostly. As campy-ish as some of it can get.... it's always a solid sell for me. Your grasp of themes and illustrating them with your verbiage and (if I may hetero-ly say so) handsome lisp and cadence is still the highlight of the days that I catch up with your releases. Looking forward to the Xavier vid. The Eric vid was Boss! Cheers Ps. I still almost (if not definitely) cry with everyone one of your vids.
So, this has been a really fun series, and I don't think I've thanked you before - thank you. This here though is a high water mark, just terrifically interesting. Happy Halloween ya galoot! Hope you are doing okay in this crazy world.
I feel you are reluctant to repeat relevant quotes at times, maybe it is tongue and cheek, but I definitely feel it's more important to service an individual video than, say, worry about boring your core fans/viewers.
Alright, this video is another experiment where I use the social theory stuff purely as an analytical tool and contextualise the comics as a form of literature review. This essay is also soft ending for the Comparing Spider-Men series, although it may come back with an analysis on different knock off live-action and animated versions of the character, or a second part to this video where I go through more of Goffman's identity concepts, but that's going to happen waaaaaay into the future. However, there are 7 Spider-Man videos planned for the closer future ranging from a second Mary Jane video, the PS4 game and a bunch of stuff about Miles Morales.
I am a huge fan of your videos! I love what you do!
When the comment is before the video was uploaded
Yes! I really like these essays and love all the work you put into the Spider-liveactionverse but I was about to ask if you would try to do an analysis with Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse, just so that you could talk about mvp Miles Morales. Good to know there is more spider content on the way!
You should compare joker from Batman, dark knight, and the 2019 movie and see how the times have changed
It’s just the problem is mcu peter just doesn’t have any relatability or have any of the core aspects of the character, if he did then mcu would be different in its approach all together
There's already a dislike. That heavily implies that your haters are subscribed lmao
Yeah I find it incredibly flattering because I thought only successful channels get them 😊
@@ImplicitlyPretentious I've heard that there are bots who go around disliking videos
engAGEmeNT!! ;)
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Stan Lee: "You could be any kid. You could be black, you could be asian, you could be indian, you could be anything and imagine you were in that costume. So I think that made it relevant to everybody everywhere."
I just love Stan Lee more and more now that he said that. RIP Stan EXCELSIOR!!!!
@God Almighty I do, so shut up
@God Almighty woul dnt it be mixed since Mr. Gordon is white?
You could be Indian and you could be Asian is like saying global pandemic
@@anuragrai612 true. But most Americans don't know geography, leave them alone.
@@notmattmurdock7663 yeah it's just not knowing basic facts it's nothing to attack them for
Exposing that Uncle Ben was only in 5 panels in the first comics will definitely make HiTop films lose his mind 😭
Wait what?I didn't know that. Bit I have always disagreed with him out of spider man ps4
@@anuragrai612 yeah HiTop films pretends like Uncle Ben is supposed to be present as much as possible to stay true to the comics when in reality he was barely in them or mentioned.
I don’t comprehend exactly what you mean about the PS4 Spider-Man aspect of your comment, do you mean you disagreed with HiTop’s review of Spider-Man PS4?
@@YungLanxx no no no, I disagree with him basically in every video except the spider man ps4 o e
@@anuragrai612 ohh ok, I got it now. It’s very hard to discredit the PS4 Spider-Man though I’m sure we all have to come to the same consensus on that one which is nice compared to the back and forth about the live action films lol
@@YungLanxx Uncle Ben still had a clear influence on Spider-Man even later on so...
Leo's impression of comic Spider-man is glorious
"I oNLy LoOk ouT aFtEr nUmBeR oNe, that's meeeeeeee"
I love how you respect every single iteration of Spiderman/Peter Parker. It’s really refreshing.
8:41 Isn't there like a two minute montage of Peter brainstorming ideas and designs for the spidey suit? I think the fact that he drew that thing with several different concepts in mind from numerous angels that all look very well proportioned shows a fair amount of creativity.
I think he means it being a part of him.
I mean even then he shouldn’t have been able to make that high quality of a suit on his budget
He also down plays the part about his gift. Throughout the movies, mostly in the first and even more in the second he shows interest in science and that he has a bright future ahead of him (but poetically Spider-Man keeps bringing him down).
In my personal opinion, none of the Spider-Man film adoptions have really touched exactly what I find appealing about the character. They all are pretty close but all divert into their own themes like you said in the video. I think that's why I can't hate any version of him, they all appeal to me in different ways.
I think I like the Into the Spiderverse one is because it does address the fact that Peter's life is a mess and it does take a toll on him, but he's always going to get back up.
Same
@@katherinealvarez9216 Wasn't Spider-Man 2 all about this theme?
@@gearzx7562 Yes, but the Raimi films draw too distinct a line between Peter and Spider-Man. Raimi was too obsessed with the "Peter has a shitty life" aspect of the character - thus largely making Spider-Man a burdensome duty to Peter more than anything else.
When Maguire is off screen, Spider-Man may as well be a different character.
It is very interesting. I’ve always said that the Sam Ramey (?) Peter was always childish and baby like and that’s why I didn’t like him. It makes sense now bc I’ve never seen life s that. It seems too fake for me, and it’s bc the Sam Peter doesn’t grow up. The Amazing Peter always seemed dark and gritty to me. It seemed to bring out the worst parts of life and didn’t feel like it had hope a lot of the time. All they showed was him being alone and that Spiderman couldn’t have anyone in his life. Then comes Tom Holland’s version, and I loved how they portrayed it. That’s only bc it’s how I view life. You learn how to grow, through the good and bad, but never alone. I’ve always been confused as to why people liked the other two over the Marvel rendition, but now I understand. They’re all different outlooks on life.
"... Webb declaring that this Spider-Man is destined to be alone forever with no teams."
Damn, if that isn't the most depressing statement that I've heard in a while about TASM.
That's probably why I find his characterization to be more interesting and much more rich in comparison to his other adaptations. This version of Peter Parker gives into his impulses and his selfish desires, the ones that make him more raw and more human. It transcends that border line between a character and someone with whom we might know in real life, and I think that's the beauty of (with how I personally, at least) see Spider-Man - he's the most realistic fictional character there is by a milestone. This adaptation, while bittersweet, demonstrates that by the end: Peter doesn't give up, and he continues to fight another day, despite losing so much in the process.
I totally agree! I’m in the same boat. I feel like Raimi and MCU in comparison rely more on the “public image” of Spider-Man without really considering the more introspective elements he has.
Exactly, and i get massive hate for defending tasm but idc Andrew's my boi
@@cynthiaking9480 we will stick together 🤝
Right here with you! TASM imo is the most true to message interpretation of Spider-Man. Peter's arc is so spectacularly done, and like you said the loneliness that follows Peter. It's like a looming doom that will never leave him be. Theres a moment at the end of TASM1, where the fight is over; the last living attachment to his parents is dead. And the man who made him change his selfish loner nature, and the father of his girlfriend has been murdered. And there he stands, alone. The camera pans out to show a wider shot of the city. Showing him, just him. Alone. Leaving us, the veiwer, with a feeling of emptiess. It's so beautiful that I teared up the first time I saw it, and I still tear up when I see it today! It has to be one of my favorite shots in film history. And the whole part after with Mr. Stacy's funeral, and Gwen's confrontation with Peter is very emotional. That's once again that loneliness peeking back out, almost whispering to Peter, "you'll forever be alone, anyone and everyone who gets to close to you is doomed." But he gives into his primal instinct, and forgets about the so called "easy way out". He gets back together with Gwen. Then whole final swing sequence is by far my favorite in any Spider-Man movie. It perfectly gets the point across that no matter what, Spider-Man will always be there to save the city. Never shall he back down from the challenge of evils threating innocent citizens, even if he's lost his whole world; the noble hero who was sprouted from tragedy, it's very uplifting actually! That's only have the reason why I've come to love TASM as much as I do, but yea lol!
@@cynthiaking9480 me too I’m with you
Ugh oh. You made a slightly critical observation of the Raimi films. Watch out, bro. Raimi stans don't like their Daddy being criticized for his Perfect God Tier Adaption of Spider-Man.
Each spider learns to spin their own unique web
Could you please do something on The Boys? A lot of us would really appreciate it.
I'm a big fan of the Garth Ennis and I love studying American media culture, so it's definitely bound to happen at some point! :)
Wait wait who is a lot of us
@@everythingnerd4953 Sorry. I can actually only speak for myself and my friends, but I figured that people would agree with me since the show is popular and the psychologies and arcs of its characters are very good and consistent.
@@sebastiansmith1223 ahh ok, I didn’t mean to sound rude if I was
Yes!!!
THANK YOU for mentioning the great power great responsibility Line. I have been trying to tell people that ben didn’t say it he only says it in the ultimate comics
That's the funny thing, I just realized yesterday that's were "Ben as martyr" kinda came from. Because the first spider-man movie also borrowed quite some from ultimate spider-man.
I want to correct myself for this: it was also a thing in the 90s spider-man cartoon as well.
they actually retconned it in the 90s that uncle ben did indeed say it. Don't remember the issue this was done in tho
@@d4_yep37 what issue
@@FlipFilms7928 i just said i dont recall but i remember it was something from the 90's
@@d4_yep37 oh ok
11:23 as much as I like FFH, I still wonder why Talos thought it was a good idea to involve a kid who doesn't even have his driver's license yet and give him access to a weapons network complete with drones. Like, Tony just took him to Germany.
Giving EDITH to Peter was Tony's death wish, it wasn't Talos idea. Beck made a joke about it saying that Fury would just give it to himself.
@Sidney J. Duffy true. But really, I get Tony's dying wish, but why did they decided Peter was ready to have it at age 16 and grieving? It's like they needed Rhodey there to go "Just wait until he graduates college!"
Talos doesn't understand human laws and Mysterio probably told him 'Yeah...I need Spider-Man and he was like 'Alright, sounds convincing enough'
Wow... I hate Far From Home... But I can't help but like your comment because you're clearly not blind to some of its flaws.
Respect.👍
@DJHart Did I say something ?
Have you done a video about Into the Spider-Verse yet? Because that movie's a gold mine if you want to talk about different depictions of Spider-Man.
Yessss
2:21 voice acting at its finest!😂
This perfectly explains why Tobey is my least favorite Peter. I grew up with him and his movies make me so nostalgic, but it misses so much of the nuance of Peter as a character.
What do you mean?
Explain what is missing
Tobey is the closest Peter we have currently that is the closest to earth 616 Ditko era spider man comics.
@@Avenger5412 exactly!
@@Avenger5412 nope kiddo
DAMMIT MAN YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SAY WHO YOUR FAVOURITE LIVE ACTION SPIDER-MAN IS
I feel cheated
Woah, that’s tough
Its definitely either Tom Holland or Tobey Maguire. I'm leaning toward Holland
Obviously its supaidaman
He did, he said it’s the Spider-Man from the live action 70s show😂
I hate to be that guy, but I really want to see how the PS4 Spider-Man compares to the others.
Nah, it's good... don't feel bad. Even though I havent played the game myself. 😂😂 I dont have the money to afford it 😂
Marvel always fucks over any comic involving adult Peter, so there isn't much to compare him to, especially when the PS4 universe treats only a couple of the classic comic issues as canon.
Unbeatable
Kinda hard to compare because we don't see his origin at all. He's well into his crime fighting career.
I don't really know (well, i do know it's just how i wanted to start this comment) but i think that my favorities Spideys are the ones that i can see myself in them the most. Webb' version talks a lot about growing up in loneliness (besides de classmates and friends you have along the journey), and Watt's version brings up how we want to be like our idols and we have to be more than them. There's this line that John Mayer said once that "you create your own style while your trying to emulate your idols" (or something like that, i really don't remember it now), that really fits in Tom Holand's interpretation. The Spidey from the Spectacular animated series is really focused in how being a good person is extremaly hard, and sometimes you have to be responsible and sacrifice so much for the right thing (all the versions of spidey do that, but i think this version is special because of the monologues that Peter has in his head and how it let the conflicts caused by it, have weight and be sincere not just to the character, but to the audience as well). There's a long time that i don't watch the Raimi's version, because for me it's like your reading a book about greek mitology and the whole story functions as a legend, not that it isn't great/good, it's just don't fit any longer for me, after i grew older :/
PS:. love your videos especially about this great character
Raimi was imitating the comic, Webb was making the characters real and I don't even know the director for homecoming...
@DJHart not really, the cinematography, the set and costume design all look like they were ripped out of a comic book.
dude this brought a tear to my eye. I love when someone can articulate something about a character/film/franchise that I feel but can't articulate and you did it beautifully here. I've always argued that all three interpretations, while imperfect, are loving in their core understandings of Peter Parker and you nailed it.
I'll always have a passion for Raimi and Webb, but Watts' interpretation is an interesting one that I'm still invested, MCU Spidey may have had some issues for me in films like Endgame and FFH but I think he had a good portrayal from Civil War to Infinity War. Personally I feel like he became his own man in the third act of Homecoming and the entirety of IW, of course FFH kinda took a huge step back imo. I just don't think of the Raimi Trilogy higher than others, claiming as the reason I exist or why it created the universe or it's objectively better than most Spider-Man interpretations.
I like it as much as Webb and Watts, I have my issues with all three and they have pros and cons. Raimi Trilogy isn't perfect, Webb Duology isn't perfect and Watts' (soon-to-be) Home Trilogy isn't perfect. They have their strengths and flaws.
The problem with TASM, Sony believed they can get the best by investing the most expensive ingredient. Yes, it's delicious but the flavors kind'a contradicting each other.... It is.... unique'ish? I assume.
Watt's dish is quite balance, yes he abandoned some ingredient the previous chef (uncle Ben death) with a bit unique twists. It's not exceptionally delicious but this is it's feature, fitting perfectly with other dishes in a banquet (MCU).
Thank you for this. I feel the same. Just because it isn't perfect doesn't mean that it's bad. Sadly a lot of fan boys don't see it that way. 😔
I dont think FFH took a step back beacuse in HC he accepts the fact that he isnt ready to be an avenger and that all the bells and whistles on the suit he doesnt need (after thinking he does) and are over the top to the point he doesnt put them in the FFH suit (as far as we know) and realizes that he was just as much Spider man as he was before he got the Stark suit to what he did have it. But even tho hes realized those things he still has that saftey net of Stark being there if anything goes really bad.
in FFH, Stark is gone and there is no other heros there he can easily get hold of if he needs desperate help like he could with Stark. On top of that, the media keeps asking him if he is goi g to be the next Iron Man (metephorically) and protect the Earth. This then puts stress on Peter becasue he doesnt think he is ready for that level of responsibility hence why he turned down the Stark at the end of HC. He also has built up this imaginary image that Stark was the perfect hero and it isnt untill the talk with Happy that he realizes Stark was far from perfect which is when Peter finally stops comparing him self to Stark and decides that he just needs to do what he can as Spider man to the best of his ability rather than trying to be someone else or live up to someone else.
This! This is the comment I've been looking for! Great job putting it into words bro! Couldn't have said it better than you have here! I love all three!
I like John Watts Spider-Man the most because his version shows that the new generation can be heroic despite morals going out the window nowadays
This was another great analysis. I do think it’s important to note that no character can truly be defined by their first appearance alone, but rather in what way the character has endured over time. I’d argue that looking at the Romita Sr era would give a better impression of what defines the character, because by this point the kinks had been ironed out and what we were left with is what the character still largely remains to this day. Additionally, the fact that Uncle Ben is only present for little of this comic is really only a byproduct of the fact that AF15 is only about 15 pages long, therefore the story has to be severely condensed. The character’s significance to Peter is something that was reiterated over time, especially because in AF15 his death was fresh in Peter’s mind, whereas when ASM first started, he’d had some time to come to terms with it.
Thank you really. This guy literally argued that Johnny Storm was more important to Peter as a mentor figure because he was mentioned more during the first couple issues of ASM... and I'm like "Really? Can he understand that teh character has grown far more than those issues?"
So, Japanese Spider-Man is your favorite but yes, I, think i can tell which one is your favorite.
Who
Japanese Spider Man rules
Su-pai-da Man!
Don't feel bad, Leo, everybody's Stan Lee impression is awful.
Except for @ItsJustSomeRandomGuy of course
It's interesting how the Raimi movies placed Uncle Ben on this pedestal that seems to have bled into the future versions of Spider-man, so much that the MCU (while it would be nice to mention his name just once) gets a lot of hate for not having Uncle Ben be this philosophical figure that directly taught Peter to do the right thing for the sake of it being the right thing to do. Even though the comics barely had him present in the origin, making his death much more natural and his presence as that of an everyday failure resulting in the loss of a loved one as opposed to this messiah figure who tried to teach the world the value of responsibility.
I'm not throwing any hate towards the Raimi or Webb movies, just a bit at the fans who go on a gatekeeping crusade based on Peter not openly discussing his greatest failure to his friends and the people he looks up to
It's interesting that both the first Spider-man film and Ultimate Spider-man came out at basically the same time, and both upgraded Uncle Ben's role. To cover the same ground of Amazing Fantasy 15, USM took 6 issues, and gave Ben much more character. And I believe was given the Great Responsibility line, too.
Honestly, I would love some more context on the MCU Ben, but now with Iron Man as the surrogate father and his death, it seems Peter is headed in a much more distinct direction.
@@robertearhart4316 He going to have another figure which will be Doctor Strange and he did father figures in comics beforehand
@Greg Elchert ayyye a fellow Superman fan!!!
The problem with this video is that it takes only the first couple dozens of ASM issues as if that was the entirety of Spider-Man's story, and not gone beyond that. Uncle's Ben importance developed far more further into the road, little by little. It's not that there's one particular issue where Peter says "Uncle Ben is my ultimate reference" But the fact that over the years, Peter always goes back to his Uncle's example, he always brings him up, the guilt over causing his deaths always comes back, etc. It's the constant and meaningful showcases of Uncle's Ben impact in Peter's life what establishes him as the life example Peter follows... and this video missed that mark
@@vicentediez452 I think a factor here (That his newest video on defending MCU Spider-man delves into) is that the MCU seems to be building up to the importance of Uncle Ben as being more of a direct symbol of Spider-man's motivations. The MCU is basically building Peter from the ground up to reflect his growth in those early comics, it isn't until he's in college that Uncle Ben has this bigger significance than just being the point where Peter became Spider-man.
If MCU Spider-man is going where it looks to be going, No Way Home (as well as the Freshman Year animated show) is going to give Ben a proper introduction as this significant figure. And his memory *becomes* something that keeps Peter on the right path.
And if the MCU have it so Tobey is also Tom's Uncle Ben (if they made the fan theory that Peter was the kid in _Iron Man 2_ canon, then this is barely pushing it), then maybe after seeing the face of his Uncle acting as Spider-man, it'll bring him back to that shore of stability, familiarity and responsibility (I'm picturing Tom looking through pictures when everything is finished and finds one with a younger him with Uncle Ben and Aunt May).
Basically, the MCU is following the structure of those early comics, including making Ben become a more significant figure when Peter begins to face bigger threats on his own as he matures from a boy trying to be like other heroes to a man who becomes his own hero
Can’t believe this series is over, guess it’s time to go back and watch all 5 again lol
Aww thanks! I suppose its time to do 5 videos on Comparing Miles Morales or something
@@ImplicitlyPretentious Comparing “Comparing Spider-Men” Videos👌real money maker if you ask me
@@ImplicitlyPretentious YES!
@@ImplicitlyPretentious Can you? I want to see your perspective on it. Because I do think he is just a copy cat of peter in the comics. But then again I want to like him and I do but tbh some people see him as a reskin. So is he justified of being Spider-Man or just a copy cat of peter?
I must say, I recently subscribed to your channel and I binged so many of your videos in the past week! They are so well written and well researched and I love it. As a person that watches a lot of Anime I have moved away from western media quite a bit and thought that the stories got stale and predictable, but your videos have remained me why I loved Marvel movies.
Keep up the great work man!
- Your new fan Zemmy :)
LET’S GOOOO!!! So excited to watch this video!!!
Aww thanks! 😊 😊 😊
ME TOO
9:31 I think he becomes Spider-Man from his choice after he quits in Spider-Man 2. And from choice not responsibility
Great video, although I have to disagree about the part where Sam's Spider-Man lacked any creative personality (although, at least in the first movie, it did downplay his scientific skills). Let's not forget that his original motive that made him create the Spider-Man persona was money (just like the comic books), but the movie doesn't fully recognise him as Spider-Man until after he encounters his uncle's killer. There was this scene where he was drawing his super suit and coming up with a name (the Human Spider 😂) although not nearly as much of a creative demonstration as The Amazing Spider-Man, but it is still there. Saying that he doesn't have ambition is untrue (as Spider-Man he may not have that much of an ambition) because he wanted to be a great scientist like Otto Octavius. And also yeah he does want to give up in the second one, but so did the other two (even comic book Spider-Man) in FFH he wants to stop being Spider-Man to relax in his high school trip (he wanted to get rid so much his responsibilities that he gave EDITH to mysterio) and in TASM 2 he gave up for awhile after Gwen's death. They all have in common the weight of being Spider-Man especially in everyone's second movie. The reason why Sam's Spider-Man lost his powers is, because deep down he didn't want to be Spider-Man, due to the fact that it was ruining his personal life, just like it took Gwen in TASM 2, just like it makes Peter to not be liked by his fellow classmates in school in the MCU (although the writers could have done something better than that). In my opinion they all follow similar patterns in their own way.
Tobey is still the most faithful to the character out of them
All of them are faithful to the characters-_-
@@robl0xgamer258 Tobey is still MOST faithful to the character.
Tom is the least faithful.
@@spider-man500 I respect that, but I think toms spiderman is faithful to the character, age wise and how he acts :D
@@robl0xgamer258 In terms of that, yes. He is more faithful.
But Tobey was far more faithful to the core aspect of the character.
@@robl0xgamer258 Age? Peters been graduated since 1965-1966 only been in high school for 3 years irl he’s been an adult since then most of his stories take place as an adult married to MJ or in College with Gwen or whatever else and for how he acts gotta give it up to Tobey he’s the only one whose acted close to comics Age,personality,core values. Tom idolizes other heroes ( comic Spider-Man does but not to a huge extent of every comic “Oh what would the Cap or Tony do??” ) in fact Spider-Man thought Stark was morally wrong and a few other things in Civil War and switched to caps side. Andrew was ok definitely was a more modern geek or uncool Skateboarding and isolating which is unlikable and you’d get bullied or at least people would be avoiding you which was fine for a modern take he only got 2 movies would’ve like to see where a 3rd would’ve gone. Tom is actually more like Miles (comics) with Ned=Ganke,Living Up to other heroes,Having a role model Ironman=Spider-Man,Unsure at first but getting the hang of it,lives fairly comfortable,wants to have a normal school life,etc.
Each iteration takes a series of traits from the original comic book version and do what they can to build their identity around that handful of traits.
Tobey: Struggling to find balance as Spider-Man, can't keep a job, failing out of school, can't maintain a relationship and ponders whether or not if it's truly is his destiny to be the wallcrawler. Has dreams and ambitions, but keeps running into a dead end.
Andrew: Mostly lonely throughout his life besides his family and old friend, often keeps to himself at school, but has this quiet desire to find answers to questions he's had through most of his life. Has a scientific side to him because he wants to be like his Dad that left him at a young age.
Tom: Naïve, a novice, very new to the whole superhero thing, but very eager. But what's odd is that he seemingly doesn't have an origin to him. From what I can tell his traits are from a completely different Spider-Man, Miles. He wants to be a worthy successor, but a successor to Iron Man, not a pre-existing Spider-Man, which feels convoluted and out of place.
@DJHart Honestly Tom's Spider-Man is a lot more like Miles then Peter in terms of his environment and even some character themes
Great video! Could you dive more into comics and their storylines one day? I’d seriously love that.
Same
Brilliant video!!!!! And Nicholas Hammond’s Spider-Man truly is the best Spider-Man!😂 seriously tho, really great video man, definitely one of my favourites from u!
Honestly TASM1 is better than Homecoming and Spiderman1
Y.E.S
It’s also of note at the time of Spider-Man’s comic release there were no lead superheroes who were teenagers. For Stan Lee this was important because he wanted to let young people to know they matter.
Could you make a video about spectacular Spider-Man? I’d love to hear your opinion on it.
I love all 3 interpretations we've had in the past 20 years. I don't understand why we always have to fight. All 3 are amazing in their own way
I grew up with raimi but the MCU Peter Parker is my fav so far
Tom Holland’s series isn’t over yet, We still get to see all 3 together
Those are just rumors
@@minatoyuki4800 True but all these castings and movie info confirmed is most definitley going in the direction of a Spider-Verse crossover
@@nickname2239 the thing is that this is marvels last movie with Tom Holland so they will probably give it a super long runtime (like closer to 3 hours) or they might split it into 2 movies if sony lets them. All just speculation tho, we'll see in 2021
Why would they shove a spiderverse movie into whats supposed to be a solo film, focused on Peter running away because he was revealed as a murder to the entire world? I get it, you want to see all spidermen together, but I don't think it'll work, plus, if they shove a spiderverse into Tom's 3rd solo film, it'll probably just contradict what happened in the post credits of FFH, and tom would probably just be overshadowed by tobey and Andrew
If they do come back then I hope it’s just an after-credit scene.
finally, a video comparing all the live-action spider-men that doesn't constantly shit on webb and watts because of how excellent raimi was
In terms of character arcs I really love the Raimi series, exploring themes of sacrifice, unwanted responsibility and pride. Spider-Man 3 as awful as it is, the bits where Spider-Man becomes full of himself and ruins his relationship with MJ in the process is dark and he enters borderline cruel territory and I don't think future Spider-Man films will ever have the guts to explore Spidey that way again. I'll give TASM some credit for exploring Peter's selfishness that gets Gwen killed, but Spider-Man now is just a goodie two shoe poster child.
Here’s to hoping that Sony doesn’t impose too much of its bad creative ideas onto the next Spider-Man movie🤞🏾
@Black Ninja A majority of it isn't even confirmed, just bullshit being spread by the attention whores on the internet.
I think the general opinion 1) TM is the best Spiderman 2) AG is the best Peter and 3) TH is the best of both (but imo Peter is the comics has more pain in his life)
In FFH Peter has a bunch of pain in his life
Love it!! You’ve helped me understand each of these Spider-Men in a way I hadn’t before, thank you
What is the song that plays in the title sequence?
I've been wondering the same thing
The song that plays in the title sequence is *cut to the end credit*
These videos make me just love Spider-Man more, he will always be my favourite comic hero.
MCU’s Spider-Man is both closest to the original and furthest from it at the same time, he has the most classic looking suit, while being modern as well, represents well the teenagers of this era like the first Spider-Man did as well and the same way the 1960 Spider-Man was designed to subvert the traditional super hero stereotype, Tom Holland’s Spider-Man subverts the traditional Spider-Man man stereotype
Ok this video just shows how comic accurate tasm really is
And then TASM2 happened. Damn that universe had so much potential and then they fucked everything up.
@@maninthetrenchcoat5603 it's still enjoyable to an extent, at least.
For years I was convinced that like a group of leading public health officials are surgeons general, a group of leading public help officials are Spiders-Man.
Interestingly, the Ultimate version gave uncle Ben a lot more time but the description of him laughing at the burglar was one of the most heartbreaking parts.
I don't know who you are, but here is a sub
sam raimi spiderman is the best
I really hope Tom Holland’s Spidey tackles a Raimi-like story. Not because his previous films as Spidey fall short but more as a natural evolution of the character’s arc. Holland has the chops. Homecoming is far from my favorite Spider-film, but the climax and resolution is just so goddamn good and showed me Holland has untapped potential for great drama.
Will there be AN encore for Spider-Man No Way Home “if” Tobey and Andrew are in it as their respective Spideys
3:42. Looks like MCU Spider-Man in No Way Home was more accurate than we thought. Aunt May said these exact words in this exact way.
Screw the video, I’m just shocked that Stan Lee forgot the hyphen in the introduction of Amazing Fantasy #15. Does this mean we’ve written Spider-Man’s name wrong all along?
I kinda wish we got an interpretation of the origin which is more in line with Peter being a pseudo-incel jerk who is bitter about how others treat him while also being egocentric and the loss of Uncle Ben puts him in a journey to become less of a jerk. Many adaptations treat him as this sweet person from the start (sometimes kinda selfish) but I'd love a Peter who's so bad, the loss he experiences is not just tragedy, but also comeuppance.
isn't that basically TASM Peter buth with no skateboard?
I like that both the Raimi and Webb movies say "spiderman or woman"
My favorite live action Spider-Man is Tomdrew Mcgarferfield
Man, what a journey! Definitely your videos helped me to see Spider-Man with different eyes, and made me value each interpretation even more. Can't wait for the next video!
While different from Amazing Fantasy #15, I'd say Raimi's Peter is actually faithful to later comics or less early ones. A perfect example is The Amazing Spider-Man #50 which it adapts very closely. Peter deep down does have the desire to retire and give up being Spider-Man, because it keeps messing with his life. But he goes on anyway, because with great power, there must also come great responsibility.
Greg Elchert indeed. I think it’s a nice way of showing how he’s torn up by it inside.
@Greg Elchert Hi there . I also would like to make an argument which is: UNCLE BEN IS STILL THE REASON PETER PARKER IS SPIDER-MAN IN THE MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE! I understand other people who have an emotional attachment to that character like HiTopFilms, but for me he's someone to get the ball rolling most and foremost. I feel like the people who pay attention these details in the movies should know that Ben's presence is still present enough to know that he's the reason Peter puts on the costume in this universe. In Captain America Civil War SPIDER-MAN ALREADY EXISTS , it is established that Peter Parker has been Spider-Man for six months( taking down crooks and saving people from car crashes, etc,) before Tony Stark knocked on his doorstep. When Tony Stark asks Peter his motivations, he states,'' when you can do the things that I can but you don't then the bad things happen, they happen because of you''. This tells the audience what philosophy and moral compass the MCU Peter Parker stands for. Throughout the airport battle, Peter is very inexperienced compared to Cap and his team( he gets thrown out the window, even though he pinned Falcon and Bucky down, and he lost badly to Captain America who has lots of combat experience than Spidey) since this was his battle with superpowered opponents. Now let's go to Spider-Man Homecoming. In Spider-Man: Homecoming, which takes place two months after Civil War, is a coming of age story about a young man finding his place in the world as this Peter Parker is early into his superhero career( which explains how he's still coping his super strength and spider sense and apologizes to criminals for hitting them too hard, he hasn't swung on skyscrapers only on small buildings which explains why he is afraid of heights during the Washington Monument rescue) the story begins with Peter Parker returning to his normal life and superhero routine, but his so excited because he participated in the most biggest battles of all time with his idols and feel he's a superstar since Tony gave him a taste of the big leagues. MCU Peter still has those personality traits Peter Parker is supposed to have: he's not popular in school, very intelligent individual as shown when he gets a mathematical problem on the board right that Flash got wrong, and believably awkward. Even as Spider-Man he jokes when the situation is calls for it( making his jokes natural and appropriate) and even uses his pop-culture references to distract the enemies in Civil War and Infinity War, he knows when to get serious and stay focused( unlike Andrew GARFIELD AND SRAH MICHELLE GELLAR ( yeah I um don't like romances and horror together and I found her jokes forced and really mean! When he sees the alien weaponry( which he saw during his fight with some robbers he fought in the ATM bank earlier) and even though people are telling him to stop going after Vulture, he still follows his philosophy and moral compass. While yes his personal desire is to be an Avenger, he constantly states how dangerous the alien weaponry is dangerous multiple times throughout the movie('' the guy with the wings is the source of the weapons I gotta take him down'', these guys are selling weapons that are crazy dangerous, they can't be out on the streets, those weapons were out there and try to tell you about it but you wouldn't listen'', I know that selling weapons to criminals is wrong''). This is also further proved in the final act, where HE HAS GIVEN UP IMPRESSING TONY STARK and still goes after Vulture, even though people tell him not to, because it's the right thing to. At the end of the movie, Peter makes the choice of not joining the Avengers and continues to help the little guy, which is in character for a Peter who knows with great power, comes great responsibility. Also, Peter does receive consequences for his action such as due to him investigating a weaponry he gets humiliates for not showing up at Liz's party, he gets detention for skipping the school event, he gets more detention for skipping school and so many classes, worries his aunt, and loses Liz and she's moving due to her father being a criminal and HE KNEW THAT! MCU Spider-Man acts on his responsibilities as a superhero without anyone telling him so, and he does it for the greater good! In Avengers Infinity War( takes place 1 year and a half after Homecoming, Peter Parker at this point is a little more experienced with his life as Spider-Man as he is better at web swinging and he goes to space not to impress Mr. Stark, but to honor Queens since Thanos is hurting people, in which he says('' you can't be a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man if there is no neighborhood''). Peter is fighting against Thanos because if he does something he should, if he doesn't the bad things happen, they happen because of him, the philosophy he stands for as a superhero. Peter also priorities in saving the Guardians on Titan during their battle with Thanos, something in character for Peter Parker. In Spider-Man: Far From Home, in which the Marvel Cinematic Universe is a different world, still continues the coming of age journey for Peter Parker, as he now has to deal with the forcefulness and high expectations people have for him to follow Tony's footsteps, however Peter wants a break after everything that has happened in Infinity War and Endgame and WAS NOT GOING TO THROW THE TOWELS. Even though he wants a break for expectations and relax, during the Hydro-Man illusion Mysterio created, he saves a orphanage from a bell tower, which show where his priorities lie, and even when Talos disguised as Nick Fury, forces him to help out in world-threating mission, his main priority is keeping his classmates safe. When he has all these expectations thus upon him, he seeks Beck as the worthy successor to Tony Stark, little did he know that when he could do something( have EDITH) but he doesn't ( give Beck the EDITH glasses), the bad things happen because of him ( Quentin wrecking havoc upon London). After all the mistakes he made due to insecurities about himself, Peter reaches to Happy on the jet, and after his very emotional conversation with Happy, PETER ACKNOWLEDGES THAT TONY MADE MISTAKES, BUT WAS HIS OWN HERO, HIS OWN MORALS, HIS OWN MAN! Realizing this, Peter creates a costume that fits HIS OWN NEEDS since he has knowledge of Mysterio's illusion technology. Even with Peter getting the girl and saving the day, the Parker luck still plays as due to his naivety, Mysterio has announced his identity to the world and has been accused of murder due to the attack on London. THESE ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS! Tom Holland has been a personal favorite Spider-Man, since I was struggling to come into my own throughout my life and had to deal with forcefulness and expectations from my loved ones to change last year ( the worst day of my life), however realized that I have to make my choices and have to be my own person!
Someone show this to Hi Top Films
Does anyone know the song during the "Spiderman V" part?
Love this channel ❤️
Oh nooo we didn't catch that last part of him saying what was his favorite spiderman. He made a mistake a cut it right when he was gonna say it. Like this comment so he will see his mistake
It's just me or in the Raimi adaptation of Spider-Man whether Peter will continue being Spider-Man or not is never to his choice when Marc's version is. Compared both SM2 and TASM 2 during the scene of Peter stop being Spidey for a while. While Tobey comeback because of Otto threatening to harm MJ, something that affect Peter's personal life. Andrew's Spidey just comeback because from hearing Gwen's dialogue, he knew Spider-Man is the hope for NY people. So he choose to continue being Spidey and fight Rhino even though he didn't affect any of his personal life. Choose to continue be the best version of himself
Ok before any Raimi shills attacked me for saying my opinion, I just wanna say that I appreciate all the Spider-Man adaptation. Even Far From Home lol, I know what they're going for with it but the execution is just wrong in so many way lmao.
My problem with Andrew is that his Peter Parker acts like a romantic teen idol. Peter Parker is a dork. Holland and Tobey were both dorks. Tobey out of three was has the most dorkiest personality which makes him the best Peter Parker. To Andrew’s credit, out of the three he has the coolest personality which makes him the best Spider-Man.
I think Holland balances Peter insecure side and Spider-Man’s confident side the most. I think all three did really good things as the character and lacked things. None of them are bad versions.
The whole point of the character is that Spider-Man is extremely social, confident, strong, and the popular cool guy as Peter Parker is very unsocial, insecure, weak, and the unpopular dork.
What’s the music at the beginning of the video
Fantastic analysis man. Can I take this and post in my Spider-Man fan instagram acc?
Man, this series was amazing. Looking foward to anything new you do
Awesome Video!!! love getting notifications when a new vid drops.
Oh yeah spider man time
Dude i'm waiting yo see tour interpretation on no way Home
The hairy nipples comment had me rolling
Ya but hairier nipples is part of trauma…
2hat is the intro song I've been trying to find it?
Please please please make a video about Eastrail 177 Trilogy, Unbreakable will have 20 years soon so I would loke to see a video with your perspectice
Please never reveal your favorite
😂 fucking beautiful. i think all three SM directors just became the Marvel Pep Boys... or the Pete Boys. haha, Raimi, Webb, and Watts. 🤣
I’m pulling a ned when I say I’m glad I get to join u on ur journey to growing ur platform. So little exposure u give ur small following so much good content. I’ve been here for a while now. Only just now realized u are putting so much effort in
The TASM2 ending is so emotional to me
Its such a minor detail, but I love how flamboyant and comfortable Stan was as a guy, look at the way he sits and how close they are and how he just swings his leg. He's enjoying himself and I love that. Stan was the guy. He was Peter Parker.
May his Soul rest well knowing he inspired millions upon millions of people to be Greater.
Sincerely,
A Spidey Fan😁
I love the fact that the raimi version is not the comic accurate version as it twists many aspects of the character and I feel like it treats spiderman more like batman than spiderman. Also, now I want to see the faces of those keyboard warriors who said mcu spiderman is not true spiderman because it didn't showed uncle Ben's death.
@Greg Elchert true man
I don't really know why people i see (not you) bring up how comic accuracy to tell a story needs to happen, Mcu spidey was never comic accurate, and I admire that, it gives the directors more freedom to establish the character, like molding a clay pot, but still keeping those tiny details that make the pot different, but still the same as the rest, and to me, mcu spidey may never be perfect, but I love that about it!
I was worried your videos might be too deep to keep my attention, but you did done good. Surprisingly also explained a lot I wasn’t realizing but felt.
I love your videos, but you should call yourself explicitly pretentious (it's right their in your name).
Great video
Please can you delve deeper into the punishers' PTSD. I mean if you do daredevil you might as well do him man......
All of your videos on the spider man fillms remind me that non-of them are my favourite, cause I love them all for different reasons (ok, maybe not TASM2 but that was due to studio intervention and such)
Implictly?
bruh yeah
Leo, another good one to encapsulate it all! Good idea using the original Amazing Fantasy to see how film Spider-men stayed close to the source or diverged. It's always amazing to see how much story was compressed into 13 pages, and it makes sense films would take some liberties to fill in the gaps.
BTW, the music choices for this video were killer! Good work!
"Change is inevitable, especially with growing up. You don't just grow hairier nipples."
Spiderman has always been a character close to my heart. He and X-men for about 30yrs. I was a freshman in high school when 'Spiderman' came out in theaters. I've noted the artistic direction with each iteration, in relation to the comics mostly. As campy-ish as some of it can get.... it's always a solid sell for me.
Your grasp of themes and illustrating them with your verbiage and (if I may hetero-ly say so) handsome lisp and cadence is still the highlight of the days that I catch up with your releases.
Looking forward to the Xavier vid. The Eric vid was Boss!
Cheers
Ps. I still almost (if not definitely) cry with everyone one of your vids.
So, this has been a really fun series, and I don't think I've thanked you before - thank you.
This here though is a high water mark, just terrifically interesting.
Happy Halloween ya galoot! Hope you are doing okay in this crazy world.
"...You don't just grow hairer nipples..." that broke the immersion for the rest of the video.
I feel you are reluctant to repeat relevant quotes at times, maybe it is tongue and cheek, but I definitely feel it's more important to service an individual video than, say, worry about boring your core fans/viewers.
I absolutely loved this series
what is your intro song's name? is it on youtube? what is it called?