Your guides are super great, I've went from Diamond to Master 300LP using your tips. I have a friend that's challenger, I'm hoping I get to catch up to him soon!
last set i peaked at diamond 2 and then got stucked in diamond 4 and fcked my MMR. This set im trying to understand the game better and trying to learn how to play different comps and styles and im now in diamond 1 in just two weeks, also im enjoying the game more since then, tft is actually very enjoyable when you understand it better
in the level on 2-1 example: I think levelling via removing + selling the Trist and selling the skarner puts you in a stronger position to win the next round (which is an immediate pay off compared to reaching 10g for interest, and still leaves you in good position to hit your pairs. While losing skarner for bruiser is a slight loss, you have high chance to find a better bruiser at 2 or 3 cost units (Sylas, Shen, Olaf) but you also have the backup option of finding even a 1 star Sejuani which is an weaker alternative to the bruiser synergy The reduced odds on 1 costs isn't likely to prevent you from finding 1 or 2 more 2 star units when you are holding 4 pairs for possible outs, and even if it did, the benefit of levelling and hitting all future level breakpoints sooner is a better long term play. Hitting 3 or 4 of the pairs into 2 stars isn't a payoff when you can't even put in 6 2 stars until you are level 6. It increases your odds to find them in the immediate short term, but if you are playing for immediate short term benefit, levelling makes your board immediately stronger for the combat, holding only potentially makes you stronger for the 2nd combat.
This board looks like a trap to me...We already have two start Kench, Ascension, and early Trist. I'd level and put in Skarner - sell off Nidalee + Karma, hold Sett/Senna. You are up 5 units to 3 w/ Nomzy and you're in a prime spot to hit Jinx or (unlikely) Lulu.
For that last example, I agree that staying L3 is the play, solely because of how Trainer works. You start with Nomsy being weak, gaining power over time, so you’d want to start with a loss streak. However, I WOULDN’T keep my pairs. I’d keep the Skarner for bruiser synergy, but I’d make 10 gold for early interest and amass an early ECon advantage that way, to compile with my loss streak and push Fast 8.
Playing for loss streaks in low elo keeps you in low elo. People in lower elo usually fixate on one or two combs and don't know what else to do and when they're down to 50-60 hp, their 50 gold won't suddenly make them win most of the time. It's 50/50 and that probability is bad... That's pure luck right there. I started playing for win streaking and keeping my econ rather low in early/pre 7 and my average placement rose to 2,4 and has gotten me from g4 to p3.
yeah this is definitely not the set to play for a loss streak or for lv3 early. I pre level 4 and play for winstreak no matter the situation and it pans out very well generally. I've been GM before so I have a good insight. RN I made a new acc and it's gold 3 with 6 first places out of 9 games with this method. perhaps in chal the other method can come in play, but otherwise it's bad advice imo
if its 2/1 i would say level and go for winstreak, but since he already lost i would sell my bench and go for interest. like aure he has 4 pairs but except the senna every other pair is just useless in that spot
Basically a lot of times, the players complaining about low roll most of the time think so just because they dont actually know what to look for. They look for a too specific set of units. That was well explained.
I personally think that in the last example, adding a Skarner and getting 2 bruisers, thus getting a total of +1400 health on your units + the Skarner himself is not just a marginal increase in strength.
In addition, Skarner 1 adds about the same amount of board strength at level 4 as hitting any of the pairs on your bench does. Given that you already have Heimer 2 and TK 2 the board can't reliably lose streak, so you're very likely to push level 5 at 2-5 anyway. And on the flip side, there are a whole bunch of 2- and 3-cost units you'd like to hit. I'd say this is an easy level.
@@otakranio1417 I dont think this board is strong, but yes you have to Check it out. I think the economy boost is more usefull, you dont lose that much hp
@@nayjer2576 I mean, I agree, but if I was in that situation I would've leveled and slammed HoJ on Tristana and Cloak on TK, at which point I would consider the board strong enough to win streak. I mean, you have 2 upgrades, Tristana is a beast and trainer early is unreasonably strong.
10:00 if you level up the round after isnt it using level 4 odds when rolling for the next shop? hence regardless if you buy xp or not arent the odds of the next shop based on level 4 and not 3?
In Bebe's spot, none of the pairs except Ezreal are as big of a spike as levelling. 2 Tarics > Taric 2 for example. He's got around a 58% chance of hitting any pair over the two turns. It only drops to about 38%(by going 4 then 5), and he'd want to level if he hit anyway, or he'd still be weaker than he'd be by levelling. Getting the first win and then hitting means he actually streaks if he's lucky enough to hit. Else he loses a gold and hp bc he's not making Econ anyway. He has a slammable item, that benefits from more frontline. If I recall correctly be also has second wind, which he benefits more from with more frontline too. Even if it's not playing to win the round, playing to kill more is valid. The decision should be based more on Econ. Board strength doesn't really enter the argument unless he hits and then levels. Or if levelling doesn't even kill any additional units. At worst he griefs Econ to save hp. At best he starts his streak, and likely continues it if he hits anything. In the spot in this video, at best you can slam the hoj Senna. If you level, win the round then hit Senna it might be enough to win again. Depending on the strength of the lobby and matchmaking. But you can't do much to improve the frontline. It's hard to justify dropping the Nomsy and Heimer 2. It's almost the same spot but without the option to improve frontline or an item that benefits much from it/any item at all. Probably depends specifically on which carries/items people have in this lobby. Whether or not they kill the Tahm fast enough for ascension to save the fight. It's a lot harder to justify it here as the board actually had some 2 stars, so you're adding less % power to your board. Whether or not that's enough for the lobby is another matter. I'd probably go with waiting here, but there's a reasonable chance this board isn't actually that weak.
ur points are actually very valid, its really not black and white at all since its highly dependent on the strength of the lobby which wasn't shown, great analysis :)
Thank you! Great video! I didn't consider myself a bad player, but it's true that I usually go greed trying to pick only the characters I want to play and now I'm more flexible, and I'm winning more thanks to this video. New subscriber! 😄❤️
Im still debating on 2-1 as well. For example, a third option in your video would be to sell off the whole board and hit 10 for your first fight. I think a lot of it is preference, leveling gives you two level 4 instead of level 3 shops whoch can be a negative or positive depending on your roll
I want to give one more advice, if u are loosing a lot to certain comp, i recomend to play that comp on normal (force it every time) until you get it right, that way u know its weaknesses
tbh after rewatching the last example, you actually really can't determine a 100% correct answer since the strength of the lobby wasnt shown and its also meta dependent.. the next strongest in would be skarner but the issue w/ leveling and committing to a streak is that the potential slammable items were bad for streaking (u would lose to any board w/ sunfire cape) + comps that play around them are extremely weak in the current meta(decent chance of playing into corki/mages since nomsy opener) so you would ideally want item prio on first carousel, but at the same time if 6/7 other players are all playing an econ opener/weak board then committing to a streak is possible even though my board is just average :). just goes to show how complex tft is
I'm curious if you think Skarner is always stronger (because of ascension or that Trist is enough damage) Do you think whether or not the lobby is frontline or backline heavy at 2-1 changes whether you want to play Skarner/Senna? I think I'd go for Senna if people have frontline and Skarner if they have carries (incl items) I watch a lot more than I play so I'm far more theory than practical atm I'd assume your reasoning is that Skarner is better vs the average 1 carry and item board or the average sum of mixed board types?
@Keima Isn’t this prior to combat? I mean, look at the Xp, this isn’t 2-1 That means autolevel next round, no more 75% 1cost odds. Might as well Level and secure a win for the streak
@@exodus1028 I think he was just using this board state as an example because of the amount of pairs he has In the video he says to pretend it's 2/6 xp and stage 2-1
I am consistently getting at least 4th place, often 2nd, 3rd with Cavalier early, Mirage and Guild. Guild is dependent on what Mirage is. If it's attack speed buffs, I get Twitch on top of Sejuani. If it's AP, I get Ryze. Nunu is my main champ I'm going for, the other cavs get tank items.
So the best move is for early stage just focusing in one comp and in later game i can switch other comp to have stronger units in my line up rather than focusing synergy comps in line up.
Always such great content. I noticed the other day than I’m auto leveling there and stopped because I was hard stuck at G2. Hit plat right after. Econ and board spike are so important - especially when everyone is probably forcing the level.
I know this is kinda outdated but I learn this from #1 korean tft chal. To build best customatization and try to build up tier 1 or 2 build for your carry and complete other BiS slot from treasure dragon. For example you only need rageblade for xayah as her main item, so you could build IE HoJ or other thing at first and take bow/rod from carousel and roll for one for item to complete rageblade or if you have alr bow or rod you can build it instantly. Second one I think this is also a good advice I think if you really low roll you shouldn’t just do standard move but go for lose streak and e-con immediately even it grief your health such as playing 3/4 board and else so you can get extra money to back from 8th to higher place. cuz money from losing streak is always better than the one keep win and lose but of course. Early stage loses less hp than later so get losing streak early has higher chance to get back than the one who is 6th or 7th.
I would stay level 3 because my Main goal (going revel cannoneer) is to get nomsey 3 star and considering I don’t have a lulu I would stay to save for the lulu for max snax output. Revel cannoneer is my main comp but I’ve been trying out hers out.
since you are going to gain 2xp before you get the 75% chances for the extra level 1's if you really want to push early game the "correct play" is to sell the Skarner and roll.
With your example of ornn xayah items i think that specifically relies on how much cc are my opponents playing. If they have a lot then edge of night on ornn to garuntee a cast plus qss is what I would pick
Bebe would level to 9 in stage 3-5 already, # unlucky win condition Edit : 9:23 - Youre odds of a higher winstreak chance increases while not leveling but , you already lost the fight , maybe 2-2 also , how do you manage the phases after? is this some sort of gameplan edit 2 : or you contuinually follow youre gameplan e.g aggresive leveling , trying to reserve life , interest threshold while trying to reserve life etc. etc. edit 3 : is this a gameplan ? or decision making or strategy or how is it called in TFT?
I watched this then after watching I played tft and do the tricks listed here and in 4 games I placed 2nd three times and 1st place one time. This is very very good thank you
hey cool video man. i’ll definitely have to check more out. you answered a question i’ve been trying to understand for a while - what it means to “play for top x”. i am curious though - while i do understand what you were talking about and how it applies, is there more to it than that, or perhaps additional examples you could give? also for the famous debate section at the end - i think it really is a tricky situation. for that exact board, playing skarner would give you bruisers, or playing the senna gives u cannoneer. with that in mind, i don’t think it would be terrible to level. but if you had different pairs that would give no synergies, i think i definitely would agree with u. but ur challenger i’m gold 2 so ur probs right lol. thanks again, good vid
Meanwhile i get forced into a comp through augments (or i lose a gold augment) and then get none of the units needed, luck does play a big part, while not all of, it is pretty significant
At that point you honestly just try your best with what the game gives you. Remember tft is also rng based lol. It’s basically knowing basic knowledge of the game and synergies and just knowing augments and trying to work with it
Aye... Just came back to tft again... First i use account 1 to force comp till plat.. Swap 2e account, and only play with wat i get untill diamond... Yesterday morning i was plat 2 93lp, this morning i started in plat 4 again.... Just because i tried out shi with ragewing(ye ye, i notised :p) and the whispers dragon with cav emblem etc, etc... I ruïned alot of mmr.. But the amount of iformation i got.. Priceless.
Great video as usual. Funny to see the poker analogy… I use it all the time. It’s all about playing the best EV for your resources. If you ever want a diamond game to review for content I volunteer as tribute. :)
Flexing based on items is still luck dependent. You get items for Xayah or Corki, hit Xayah 2....but after being taxed down to 30 HP because someone else in the lobby hit Corki 2 on their level 7 rolldown and someone else. Does that happen on average? Of course not, but the game just handed you a loss for no reason despite playing properly, and that's what sucks about climbing as someone that can't play more than 4 games a day.
Recently, I got a really bad/unlucky game. No trait synergy at all. But instead of forcing a comp, I go with what rng gave me. Ended up 4rd place because I used my gold to buy xp instead of roll, basically zerg rush other players with overwhelming number. And because i value star over synergy, In the end, I had the board that has 8 characters and 1 trait active.Thats a win for me Im plat 2 btw
On the last part, if i would have won the first battle, i would go 4 for winstreaking, adding the senna for cannoneers, but since u lost the first battle i think 3 is the better option
I agree. Test the waters with the first fight, then go 4 if you win guarantee the continued win streak. Assuming no one went 2* though, I would have used Skarner instead of Senna, for the beefier frontline through bruisers. But that early, a 2* outweighs a trait bonus so if the next shop gave anyone 2* that'd be my pick.
I think leveling at 2-1 is the main and right choice to take, just bc, for this set at least, if u early hit a dragon, whoever it is, u r almost guaranteed a top 4. That’s also why I usually pre level for lv 5 making that after carousel I’m able to have a 4-8 cost in the shop. It’s a 2% chance, yes, but I had so much value from this move I just can’t see why anyone shouldn’t do it
I'm in low elo(Plat 3) and have been leveling up to 5 asap in nearly all of my latest 20 games. Average placement I've gotten is 2,4 with that. I think the only game when I didn't do that was when I was aiming for sett 3 in one game or when I had truly garbage Champs and already had a loss streak. Some people play for loss streaks in early and I did that too for a while, however my average placement during that time was something like 4,9 or even worse. Win streaking and a bit lower gold is what made me win top 4 most of the time.
Low expected value play. Remember that you should not be playing to high roll every game. Holding pairs is a much more safe and likely pay off. Also, leveling to level 4 does not actually help you reach level 5, as you need econ to level up faster and spending gold on xp as fast as possible does not really achieve that.
wow! thanks for the examples on how to commit to a comp/keeping your options open i would always make the mistake of slamming my items too early and then not being able to pivot so this really helps a lot!
when the exp is 4/6 the chance to get 1 cost units when the shop reset on the next round is still at lvl 4 (55%), the true reason why you dont level up in this situation is that you have 3 pairs and you already lost the first round also, then if you sell 1 pair and Skarner to level up it's still the lose-lose situation no matter you win or lose on the next round (if you win, you lose 1 pair and 4 gold and a possible lose streak, or else you still lose 1 pair and 4 gold for nothing).
I kinda knew these points, but had to hear it from you to stop being upset at my play this set. I just have to recognize that my inflexible play as a new (to this set) player is going to make the game RNG and just accept it. I find that I can only play every other season of TFT because it's just too annoying to relearn a set every 2 months.
I think you go level at the end to play skarner, cuz you already have trainer with heimer 2 in , so you are most likely just gonna play trainer anyways, and skarner 1 for bruiser is prob stronger than another 2 star 1 cost with no synergy. You are also looking for lulu.
My problem is that I don't know every trait for every champ, nor every item aswell as all the advantages of traits and items and I find it too tedious to jamm the infos of things I roll into some programm that tells me "Hey X has same traits as Y and Z and Z has same as H and I so that could be one comp" So my primary problem is I can't remember all those things and then think around a possible comp which makes it frustrating and gives the feeling of it being rng. Usually what happens it frustrates me ao hard that I quit after the 10th to 20th game of the set. Thinking of it like you did on the sheet would never come to my mind because I don't know shit and so tft become a game I dislike.
I can’t help but strongly disagree with the xayah 3 argument being a first and if not you made a mistake. There is always the possibility that someone highrolls harder, maybe getting talon 3 and pyke 2 with such strong items and synergies that they are able to one shot your main carry and backline protection. What you get is important but that ignores what your opponent gets.
I think the argument is that if you highroll xayah 2 early, you can afford to play around more stuff. Maybe denying talons since you can use them. Maybe sacrifcing QS for a Bramble or BT on Xayah would let her survive assassins and still deal enough damage since she's 3*. Maybe you could realize going for xayah 3 was a mistake in the first place, and going 9 with 2* shyvana with bramble + AP was a better answer vs sins Ofc not all games are winnable, but to some extent, there are always different plays throughout the game that could have been made
When ur 9 with 4 guild and xayah 3 it's pretty much autowin or at least no less than 2nd place. Everytime I xayah3 I win 1st place but I usually have talon 2 with FH IE also
For the debate, if it was before set 6, I would gladly level up for a win streak. However, in the current set, I will definitely take the hit for better board and econ, since getting ascension is pretty bad for that comp even an extra bruiser wouldn’t help there, especially since everyone could be getting better augments or slamming better items
I haven't played a single tft ranked in my life, I always play unranked and I would definitely not level in that situation. I would only level, if I was confident I could win streak. So most of the time I just take the loss, safe my money and then win because everyone else has basically no econ.
At the end of this video you asked if you should level or not. By 4/6 I would stay if your not 100% committed to anything yet BUT incorrect about your next round having a similar tier 1 chance. Because it will use the next rounds leveled up chances not the previous round. So regardless if you level up there or not won’t make a difference unless you sell what you want and reroll before the round is over.
TFT is skill-based, but you really cannot deny that a good chunk of the game also relies on luck. I've gone through several games where TFT outright refused to give me ANY units of the team i'd otherwise be building, without any other player in the game buying or playing that comp as well. Sometimes luck really isn't in your favor, and there's nothing you can do about it besides going for a completely different comp, even if no one else was building yours.
Plat 1 50lp. I think you level in that trainer spot to play senna and try for a winstreak but if the rest of the lobby is super strong too I'd sit it out.
So how do you determine expected value? Is there somehwere I find this? Some calculation I can do with the comps I usually play best? How do I know "when the expected value for committing is higher than staying flexible"?
clickbait title but excellent content, perfect combo. I've been thinking about that 2-1 situation a bit lately and Socks actually has a video where he talks about it too; he says it is better to hold 3-4 pairs than it is to make 10 as you'll ultimately make that econ back later between being healthier, saving gold on rerolls, and future winstreaks.
at 9:33 wouldnt the best play to be just to make 10 and eco? considering no item kench trist heimer isn't going to be a winstreak with any of ur pairs on bench except maybe senna
Have a question about the last scenario. If there is such a large importance of making the first 10g interval, why not just sell all of the pairs and play for a loss streak? I know holding pairs sets you up for 4 different potential "outs" but I'm just curious why this is suboptimal.
Well, it depends. If you scout other players and see half of them have stronger board with many 2 stars, you have to hold pairs because you lose anyway, but the chance you got your 2 stars units next round is a lot higher, thus keep you healthier. Yeah, losing 5-10G early game is massive, but your mission is at least top 4 with 0G, not top 5 with 50G.
Thank Keima, that is a lot of good information. But in one of game when you were rolling for Shioyu 2, you got a Corki 2 in the shop and after that a Sona while having a Tahm kench on your board. Can you explain why you didn't just pivit into Corki? Also you didn't have any Jade units.
At first I thought the answer was to obviously level up to abuse your lead then I remembered in another guide that you don't have to be too strong just strong enough to beat the opponent while having econ. Something like expected value or something.
TFT is random but you gotta play with the hand you've been given just like poker. Sure it's random but it's still the decision making that's important. Ofcourse you will lose games by being unlucky but atleast you can win semi regularly by skillful play/decisions.
Or they can fix the game in a way one tricks actually works and not following meta all the time. Like i want to make a Sett Swain combo and the PROBABILITY is really low to be 1-st.
What about just playing to 3 star a 5 cost unit like me and i don't really want to play comps i only want to 3 star a 5 cost unit and win the game what should i do?
I had game where i was forcing corki i had everything expect corki because it was contested and i tried to pivot to xayah guild little by little(i mean ididnt sell the board immediately i w8 till i hit the units to lvl 2 and then replace them) in your opinion what was the right play
Anyone else actually watch poker and wonder why he put Esfandiari as a clip and not someone like Ivey or Negreanu? He's a pro but still just a funny thought when thinking about "the best"
tft and texas hold'em are nothing alike. You have cards they don't know about in poker. Everyone can see your board and items in tft. You can bluff in poker. You can't bluff in tft. (meaning you can win when you otherwise couldn't like in poker). There is a LOT you can do in poker REGARDLESS of your cards. TFT is 100% reliant on your "cards" to win. They are nothing alike. TFT is slot machines where knowing the game gives you an edge, but not any kind of actual control. You are 100% beholden to the champs that show up for you, the items you get, and they augments you get to see. All of these things are chance based. Climbing isn't hard. I am terrible. I still climb. I just quit after awhile cause slots get boring fast.
I think luck is a big part of TFT cause ive had it alot that no one plays xayah for example but i couldnt get a single one even when rolling my whole gold at lvl 8.
damn you right tft isnt about luck, me going 8th because 4 players got a dragon on stage 2-5 and i couldn't hit a single 4 cost pair all game, i got out played that game
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Your guides are super great, I've went from Diamond to Master 300LP using your tips. I have a friend that's challenger, I'm hoping I get to catch up to him soon!
last set i peaked at diamond 2 and then got stucked in diamond 4 and fcked my MMR. This set im trying to understand the game better and trying to learn how to play different comps and styles and im now in diamond 1 in just two weeks, also im enjoying the game more since then, tft is actually very enjoyable when you understand it better
in the level on 2-1 example: I think levelling via removing + selling the Trist and selling the skarner puts you in a stronger position to win the next round (which is an immediate pay off compared to reaching 10g for interest, and still leaves you in good position to hit your pairs. While losing skarner for bruiser is a slight loss, you have high chance to find a better bruiser at 2 or 3 cost units (Sylas, Shen, Olaf) but you also have the backup option of finding even a 1 star Sejuani which is an weaker alternative to the bruiser synergy
The reduced odds on 1 costs isn't likely to prevent you from finding 1 or 2 more 2 star units when you are holding 4 pairs for possible outs, and even if it did, the benefit of levelling and hitting all future level breakpoints sooner is a better long term play. Hitting 3 or 4 of the pairs into 2 stars isn't a payoff when you can't even put in 6 2 stars until you are level 6. It increases your odds to find them in the immediate short term, but if you are playing for immediate short term benefit, levelling makes your board immediately stronger for the combat, holding only potentially makes you stronger for the 2nd combat.
This board looks like a trap to me...We already have two start Kench, Ascension, and early Trist. I'd level and put in Skarner - sell off Nidalee + Karma, hold Sett/Senna. You are up 5 units to 3 w/ Nomzy and you're in a prime spot to hit Jinx or (unlikely) Lulu.
How much is Bebe paying you to say that?
@@TheRealShino Bebe is a clown
For that last example, I agree that staying L3 is the play, solely because of how Trainer works. You start with Nomsy being weak, gaining power over time, so you’d want to start with a loss streak. However, I WOULDN’T keep my pairs. I’d keep the Skarner for bruiser synergy, but I’d make 10 gold for early interest and amass an early ECon advantage that way, to compile with my loss streak and push Fast 8.
i thgouht trainer early was strong tho
@@weallyplstop3517 Even the devs are like "yeah, there's a world where Nomsy starts at 50HP"
Trainer is a trait alright.
Playing for loss streaks in low elo keeps you in low elo.
People in lower elo usually fixate on one or two combs and don't know what else to do and when they're down to 50-60 hp, their 50 gold won't suddenly make them win most of the time. It's 50/50 and that probability is bad... That's pure luck right there.
I started playing for win streaking and keeping my econ rather low in early/pre 7 and my average placement rose to 2,4 and has gotten me from g4 to p3.
yeah this is definitely not the set to play for a loss streak or for lv3 early. I pre level 4 and play for winstreak no matter the situation and it pans out very well generally. I've been GM before so I have a good insight. RN I made a new acc and it's gold 3 with 6 first places out of 9 games with this method. perhaps in chal the other method can come in play, but otherwise it's bad advice imo
if its 2/1 i would say level and go for winstreak, but since he already lost i would sell my bench and go for interest. like aure he has 4 pairs but except the senna every other pair is just useless in that spot
Basically a lot of times, the players complaining about low roll most of the time think so just because they dont actually know what to look for. They look for a too specific set of units. That was well explained.
love the subtle bebe flame at the end lmao
Great video! I am almost sure I knew all these points already on some level, but its nice to see it explained in detail for better understanding.
I personally think that in the last example, adding a Skarner and getting 2 bruisers, thus getting a total of +1400 health on your units + the Skarner himself is not just a marginal increase in strength.
In addition, Skarner 1 adds about the same amount of board strength at level 4 as hitting any of the pairs on your bench does. Given that you already have Heimer 2 and TK 2 the board can't reliably lose streak, so you're very likely to push level 5 at 2-5 anyway. And on the flip side, there are a whole bunch of 2- and 3-cost units you'd like to hit. I'd say this is an easy level.
But there may be still stronger boards that crush you anyway so whats the point? Also he's on losing streak.
@@nayjer2576 1. You to scout other boards for that exact reason.
2. You might still lose, but saving HP early is extremely valuable.
@@otakranio1417 I dont think this board is strong, but yes you have to Check it out. I think the economy boost is more usefull, you dont lose that much hp
@@nayjer2576 I mean, I agree, but if I was in that situation I would've leveled and slammed HoJ on Tristana and Cloak on TK, at which point I would consider the board strong enough to win streak. I mean, you have 2 upgrades, Tristana is a beast and trainer early is unreasonably strong.
10:00 if you level up the round after isnt it using level 4 odds when rolling for the next shop? hence regardless if you buy xp or not arent the odds of the next shop based on level 4 and not 3?
In Bebe's spot, none of the pairs except Ezreal are as big of a spike as levelling. 2 Tarics > Taric 2 for example. He's got around a 58% chance of hitting any pair over the two turns. It only drops to about 38%(by going 4 then 5), and he'd want to level if he hit anyway, or he'd still be weaker than he'd be by levelling. Getting the first win and then hitting means he actually streaks if he's lucky enough to hit. Else he loses a gold and hp bc he's not making Econ anyway.
He has a slammable item, that benefits from more frontline. If I recall correctly be also has second wind, which he benefits more from with more frontline too. Even if it's not playing to win the round, playing to kill more is valid.
The decision should be based more on Econ.
Board strength doesn't really enter the argument unless he hits and then levels. Or if levelling doesn't even kill any additional units. At worst he griefs Econ to save hp. At best he starts his streak, and likely continues it if he hits anything.
In the spot in this video, at best you can slam the hoj Senna.
If you level, win the round then hit Senna it might be enough to win again. Depending on the strength of the lobby and matchmaking. But you can't do much to improve the frontline. It's hard to justify dropping the Nomsy and Heimer 2. It's almost the same spot but without the option to improve frontline or an item that benefits much from it/any item at all. Probably depends specifically on which carries/items people have in this lobby. Whether or not they kill the Tahm fast enough for ascension to save the fight. It's a lot harder to justify it here as the board actually had some 2 stars, so you're adding less % power to your board. Whether or not that's enough for the lobby is another matter. I'd probably go with waiting here, but there's a reasonable chance this board isn't actually that weak.
Um oops wtf
I thought I wrote half this
ur points are actually very valid, its really not black and white at all since its highly dependent on the strength of the lobby which wasn't shown, great analysis :)
@@KeimaTFT Wow thanks, I appreciate it
I don't play a lot so I was a bit nervous about even posting that
Great video btw! :)
Exactley you just explained luck itself
Thank you! Great video! I didn't consider myself a bad player, but it's true that I usually go greed trying to pick only the characters I want to play and now I'm more flexible, and I'm winning more thanks to this video. New subscriber! 😄❤️
Im still debating on 2-1 as well. For example, a third option in your video would be to sell off the whole board and hit 10 for your first fight. I think a lot of it is preference, leveling gives you two level 4 instead of level 3 shops whoch can be a negative or positive depending on your roll
id definitely econ here
I want to give one more advice, if u are loosing a lot to certain comp, i recomend to play that comp on normal (force it every time) until you get it right, that way u know its weaknesses
facts 👏🏽👏🏽
tbh after rewatching the last example, you actually really can't determine a 100% correct answer since the strength of the lobby wasnt shown and its also meta dependent..
the next strongest in would be skarner but the issue w/ leveling and committing to a streak is that the potential slammable items were bad for streaking (u would lose to any board w/ sunfire cape) + comps that play around them are extremely weak in the current meta(decent chance of playing into corki/mages since nomsy opener) so you would ideally want item prio on first carousel, but at the same time if 6/7 other players are all playing an econ opener/weak board then committing to a streak is possible even though my board is just average :).
just goes to show how complex tft is
I'm curious if you think Skarner is always stronger (because of ascension or that Trist is enough damage)
Do you think whether or not the lobby is frontline or backline heavy at 2-1 changes whether you want to play Skarner/Senna?
I think I'd go for Senna if people have frontline and Skarner if they have carries (incl items)
I watch a lot more than I play so I'm far more theory than practical atm
I'd assume your reasoning is that Skarner is better vs the average 1 carry and item board or the average sum of mixed board types?
@@alicea3421 skarners better because we have ascension + nomsy gets value out of the bruiser synergy as well
@@KeimaTFT
Thank you :)
@Keima
Isn’t this prior to combat?
I mean, look at the Xp, this isn’t 2-1
That means autolevel next round, no more 75% 1cost odds.
Might as well Level and secure a win for the streak
@@exodus1028 I think he was just using this board state as an example because of the amount of pairs he has
In the video he says to pretend it's 2/6 xp and stage 2-1
2:45 this was actually a great explanation, useful even in later sets. Gonna make some flowcharts once flex is more viable again lol.
I am consistently getting at least 4th place, often 2nd, 3rd with
Cavalier early, Mirage and Guild.
Guild is dependent on what Mirage is.
If it's attack speed buffs, I get Twitch on top of Sejuani.
If it's AP, I get Ryze.
Nunu is my main champ I'm going for, the other cavs get tank items.
Anyone else notice the 3 Corki's he skipped over at 9:14? Seems like he wasn't taking his own flexibility advice there . . .
Congrats on 10k Keima!!! Thanks for helping the TFT community out :)
I see tff like life sometimes it's shit and you got to turn it into passable and sometimes it's great and you just need to manage it correctly.
thats deep
So the best move is for early stage just focusing in one comp and in later game i can switch other comp to have stronger units in my line up rather than focusing synergy comps in line up.
Your guides have helped me climb this patch for sure keep it up Keima
Always such great content. I noticed the other day than I’m auto leveling there and stopped because I was hard stuck at G2. Hit plat right after. Econ and board spike are so important - especially when everyone is probably forcing the level.
went from shit to slightly less shit nice one dude
@@LOLzum101 cant be good when u start which is why getting better is a thing
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I tend to go for more flexible comps like guild. Since they can synergies with most other comps as a supplement or a main
I think is depends on if you feel like you can make the win streak then push for lvl 4, if not take the loss streak and stay lvl 3.
I know this is kinda outdated but I learn this from #1 korean tft chal. To build best customatization and try to build up tier 1 or 2 build for your carry and complete other BiS slot from treasure dragon. For example you only need rageblade for xayah as her main item, so you could build IE HoJ or other thing at first and take bow/rod from carousel and roll for one for item to complete rageblade or if you have alr bow or rod you can build it instantly.
Second one I think this is also a good advice I think if you really low roll you shouldn’t just do standard move but go for lose streak and e-con immediately even it grief your health such as playing 3/4 board and else so you can get extra money to back from 8th to higher place. cuz money from losing streak is always better than the one keep win and lose but of course. Early stage loses less hp than later so get losing streak early has higher chance to get back than the one who is 6th or 7th.
I would stay level 3 because my Main goal
(going revel cannoneer) is to get nomsey 3 star and considering I don’t have a lulu I would stay to save for the lulu for max snax output. Revel cannoneer is my main comp but I’ve been trying out hers out.
I literally LoLed when you made the new comp called "Guild Pike." Subbed!
since you are going to gain 2xp before you get the 75% chances for the extra level 1's if you really want to push early game the "correct play" is to sell the Skarner and roll.
With your example of ornn xayah items i think that specifically relies on how much cc are my opponents playing. If they have a lot then edge of night on ornn to garuntee a cast plus qss is what I would pick
Bebe would level to 9 in stage 3-5 already, # unlucky win condition
Edit : 9:23 - Youre odds of a higher winstreak chance increases while not leveling but , you already lost the fight , maybe 2-2 also , how do you manage the phases after? is this some sort of gameplan
edit 2 : or you contuinually follow youre gameplan e.g aggresive leveling , trying to reserve life , interest threshold while trying to reserve life etc. etc.
edit 3 : is this a gameplan ? or decision making or strategy or how is it called in TFT?
extremly educational tft content, don't you dare to stop releasing these awesome videos!
I watched this then after watching I played tft and do the tricks listed here and in 4 games I placed 2nd three times and 1st place one time. This is very very good thank you
disagree with last mistake, since u got skarner, tahm 2 heim 2 with 2bruiser and 2 trainer is enough to win
and chalice is viable as well
I think the value of finding an early Tier 3 unit before others is too high to not level on 2-1 most of the time.
hey cool video man. i’ll definitely have to check more out. you answered a question i’ve been trying to understand for a while - what it means to “play for top x”. i am curious though - while i do understand what you were talking about and how it applies, is there more to it than that, or perhaps additional examples you could give?
also for the famous debate section at the end - i think it really is a tricky situation. for that exact board, playing skarner would give you bruisers, or playing the senna gives u cannoneer. with that in mind, i don’t think it would be terrible to level. but if you had different pairs that would give no synergies, i think i definitely would agree with u. but ur challenger i’m gold 2 so ur probs right lol.
thanks again, good vid
Meanwhile i get forced into a comp through augments (or i lose a gold augment) and then get none of the units needed, luck does play a big part, while not all of, it is pretty significant
At that point you honestly just try your best with what the game gives you. Remember tft is also rng based lol. It’s basically knowing basic knowledge of the game and synergies and just knowing augments and trying to work with it
"It's called Guild Pyke" That was hilarious. Great informative content thank you
Reached master today thx to your guides. Cheers!
Aye... Just came back to tft again... First i use account 1 to force comp till plat.. Swap 2e account, and only play with wat i get untill diamond...
Yesterday morning i was plat 2 93lp, this morning i started in plat 4 again.... Just because i tried out shi with ragewing(ye ye, i notised :p) and the whispers dragon with cav emblem etc, etc... I ruïned alot of mmr.. But the amount of iformation i got.. Priceless.
Great video as usual. Funny to see the poker analogy… I use it all the time. It’s all about playing the best EV for your resources.
If you ever want a diamond game to review for content I volunteer as tribute. :)
Flexing based on items is still luck dependent. You get items for Xayah or Corki, hit Xayah 2....but after being taxed down to 30 HP because someone else in the lobby hit Corki 2 on their level 7 rolldown and someone else. Does that happen on average? Of course not, but the game just handed you a loss for no reason despite playing properly, and that's what sucks about climbing as someone that can't play more than 4 games a day.
Recently, I got a really bad/unlucky game. No trait synergy at all. But instead of forcing a comp, I go with what rng gave me. Ended up 4rd place because I used my gold to buy xp instead of roll, basically zerg rush other players with overwhelming number. And because i value star over synergy, In the end, I had the board that has 8 characters and 1 trait active.Thats a win for me
Im plat 2 btw
I'd say the poker comparison is kinda a stretch but amazing video bro
On the last part, if i would have won the first battle, i would go 4 for winstreaking, adding the senna for cannoneers, but since u lost the first battle i think 3 is the better option
I agree. Test the waters with the first fight, then go 4 if you win guarantee the continued win streak. Assuming no one went 2* though, I would have used Skarner instead of Senna, for the beefier frontline through bruisers. But that early, a 2* outweighs a trait bonus so if the next shop gave anyone 2* that'd be my pick.
2 bruiser is massive with nomsy... it gives your board 1000hp + skarner
I think leveling at 2-1 is the main and right choice to take, just bc, for this set at least, if u early hit a dragon, whoever it is, u r almost guaranteed a top 4. That’s also why I usually pre level for lv 5 making that after carousel I’m able to have a 4-8 cost in the shop. It’s a 2% chance, yes, but I had so much value from this move I just can’t see why anyone shouldn’t do it
I'm in low elo(Plat 3) and have been leveling up to 5 asap in nearly all of my latest 20 games. Average placement I've gotten is 2,4 with that.
I think the only game when I didn't do that was when I was aiming for sett 3 in one game or when I had truly garbage Champs and already had a loss streak.
Some people play for loss streaks in early and I did that too for a while, however my average placement during that time was something like 4,9 or even worse.
Win streaking and a bit lower gold is what made me win top 4 most of the time.
Low expected value play. Remember that you should not be playing to high roll every game. Holding pairs is a much more safe and likely pay off. Also, leveling to level 4 does not actually help you reach level 5, as you need econ to level up faster and spending gold on xp as fast as possible does not really achieve that.
wow! thanks for the examples on how to commit to a comp/keeping your options open
i would always make the mistake of slamming my items too early and then not being able to pivot
so this really helps a lot!
when the exp is 4/6 the chance to get 1 cost units when the shop reset on the next round is still at lvl 4 (55%), the true reason why you dont level up in this situation is that you have 3 pairs and you already lost the first round also, then if you sell 1 pair and Skarner to level up it's still the lose-lose situation no matter you win or lose on the next round (if you win, you lose 1 pair and 4 gold and a possible lose streak, or else you still lose 1 pair and 4 gold for nothing).
I kinda knew these points, but had to hear it from you to stop being upset at my play this set. I just have to recognize that my inflexible play as a new (to this set) player is going to make the game RNG and just accept it. I find that I can only play every other season of TFT because it's just too annoying to relearn a set every 2 months.
I would hyper roll and not level or lose streak build intrest lvl then roll all gold to 0
I think you go level at the end to play skarner, cuz you already have trainer with heimer 2 in , so you are most likely just gonna play trainer anyways, and skarner 1 for bruiser is prob stronger than another 2 star 1 cost with no synergy. You are also looking for lulu.
My problem is that I don't know every trait for every champ, nor every item aswell as all the advantages of traits and items and I find it too tedious to jamm the infos of things I roll into some programm that tells me "Hey X has same traits as Y and Z and Z has same as H and I so that could be one comp"
So my primary problem is I can't remember all those things and then think around a possible comp which makes it frustrating and gives the feeling of it being rng. Usually what happens it frustrates me ao hard that I quit after the 10th to 20th game of the set.
Thinking of it like you did on the sheet would never come to my mind because I don't know shit and so tft become a game I dislike.
nice guide! still trying to find out why I shouldn't buy exp though
Incredibly helpful guide with actual examples! That's a sub from me!!
I went from D4 to D2 in a day with this! Gonna push for masters, this really helped a lot lol
I’ve gone from B2 to P1 in just a single set (I started at the end of Set 6, before 6.5). Let’s see if this pushes me to Diamond
You were d2 and didn’t know any of this? This is all basic info.
if my enemies have somewhat decent boards, I'd really prefer activating my 2 bruisers by selling karmas and setts to bring skarner in.
This is good and all, but I REALLY like Shimmerscale.
thanks i accutly learned alot about what i already knew i did wrong but didnt know how to fix it
I can’t help but strongly disagree with the xayah 3 argument being a first and if not you made a mistake. There is always the possibility that someone highrolls harder, maybe getting talon 3 and pyke 2 with such strong items and synergies that they are able to one shot your main carry and backline protection. What you get is important but that ignores what your opponent gets.
I think the argument is that if you highroll xayah 2 early, you can afford to play around more stuff. Maybe denying talons since you can use them. Maybe sacrifcing QS for a Bramble or BT on Xayah would let her survive assassins and still deal enough damage since she's 3*. Maybe you could realize going for xayah 3 was a mistake in the first place, and going 9 with 2* shyvana with bramble + AP was a better answer vs sins
Ofc not all games are winnable, but to some extent, there are always different plays throughout the game that could have been made
When ur 9 with 4 guild and xayah 3 it's pretty much autowin or at least no less than 2nd place. Everytime I xayah3 I win 1st place but I usually have talon 2 with FH IE also
Also, the best tip that TFT players should know and remember is to pray to RNGsus and Mortdog to give you a highroll and hit
For the debate, if it was before set 6, I would gladly level up for a win streak. However, in the current set, I will definitely take the hit for better board and econ, since getting ascension is pretty bad for that comp even an extra bruiser wouldn’t help there, especially since everyone could be getting better augments or slamming better items
But there may be still stronger boards that crush you anyway so whats the point. Also he's on losing streak
I like that you still processed edge as Ga like I do lol
What is the site at :23 seconds? Been trying to find it forever. with all the usage stats? Thanks!
I haven't played a single tft ranked in my life, I always play unranked and I would definitely not level in that situation. I would only level, if I was confident I could win streak. So most of the time I just take the loss, safe my money and then win because everyone else has basically no econ.
At the end of this video you asked if you should level or not. By 4/6 I would stay if your not 100% committed to anything yet BUT incorrect about your next round having a similar tier 1 chance. Because it will use the next rounds leveled up chances not the previous round. So regardless if you level up there or not won’t make a difference unless you sell what you want and reroll before the round is over.
Im pretty good at early and late game, but in mid game i always confuse
You earned a sub bro great video really helpful information
TFT is skill-based, but you really cannot deny that a good chunk of the game also relies on luck. I've gone through several games where TFT outright refused to give me ANY units of the team i'd otherwise be building, without any other player in the game buying or playing that comp as well. Sometimes luck really isn't in your favor, and there's nothing you can do about it besides going for a completely different comp, even if no one else was building yours.
Plat 1 50lp. I think you level in that trainer spot to play senna and try for a winstreak but if the rest of the lobby is super strong too I'd sit it out.
That’s why you scout
Great content here ^ liked and subscribed :)
So how do you determine expected value? Is there somehwere I find this? Some calculation I can do with the comps I usually play best? How do I know "when the expected value for committing is higher than staying flexible"?
haha sadly this isnt really something you can calculate its something you judge based on experience :(
clickbait title but excellent content, perfect combo. I've been thinking about that 2-1 situation a bit lately and Socks actually has a video where he talks about it too; he says it is better to hold 3-4 pairs than it is to make 10 as you'll ultimately make that econ back later between being healthier, saving gold on rerolls, and future winstreaks.
at 9:33 wouldnt the best play to be just to make 10 and eco? considering no item kench trist heimer isn't going to be a winstreak with any of ur pairs on bench except maybe senna
Keima, could you do a small video on best shimmerscale items?
That is what I thought untill I got Corki 3 and played against a Xayah 3 and Yasuo 3😅
sr for that but you said that going all the time the same comb is a mistake... then why your match history is full of 2 combs mages and canoneers?
Have a question about the last scenario. If there is such a large importance of making the first 10g interval, why not just sell all of the pairs and play for a loss streak? I know holding pairs sets you up for 4 different potential "outs" but I'm just curious why this is suboptimal.
Well, it depends. If you scout other players and see half of them have stronger board with many 2 stars, you have to hold pairs because you lose anyway, but the chance you got your 2 stars units next round is a lot higher, thus keep you healthier. Yeah, losing 5-10G early game is massive, but your mission is at least top 4 with 0G, not top 5 with 50G.
Thank Keima, that is a lot of good information. But in one of game when you were rolling for Shioyu 2, you got a Corki 2 in the shop and after that a Sona while having a Tahm kench on your board. Can you explain why you didn't just pivit into Corki? Also you didn't have any Jade units.
I would just stay at L3 since the last match was already lost, why risk spend the gold and lose again. I’d rather get the lose strike bonus.
and i played only Yordle every game last season went from bronze to plat 2. And back to bronze now
ty for help me to diamond in every ss. love U Keima
i dont even know how to to play like that but i stay in 2nd and 3rd. have 2 dubs so far
At first I thought the answer was to obviously level up to abuse your lead then I remembered in another guide that you don't have to be too strong just strong enough to beat the opponent while having econ. Something like expected value or something.
TFT is random but you gotta play with the hand you've been given just like poker. Sure it's random but it's still the decision making that's important. Ofcourse you will lose games by being unlucky but atleast you can win semi regularly by skillful play/decisions.
nobody plays locket bruv and better play is to push to put scarner that will gives significatives changes 400hp+ bonus ;)
Or they can fix the game in a way one tricks actually works and not following meta all the time. Like i want to make a Sett Swain combo and the PROBABILITY is really low to be 1-st.
What about just playing to 3 star a 5 cost unit like me and i don't really want to play comps i only want to 3 star a 5 cost unit and win the game what should i do?
May I ask what website 0:23 is on? i'm from VietNam .Thanks
Nice video about a all lucky rng based game
Well, I see a lot of the mistakes I make in this video, although the leveling thing is a no-brainer.
I had game where i was forcing corki i had everything expect corki because it was contested and i tried to pivot to xayah guild little by little(i mean ididnt sell the board immediately i w8 till i hit the units to lvl 2 and then replace them) in your opinion what was the right play
Dude just hearts the comment and doesn't answer lmao
Anyone else actually watch poker and wonder why he put Esfandiari as a clip and not someone like Ivey or Negreanu? He's a pro but still just a funny thought when thinking about "the best"
tft and texas hold'em are nothing alike. You have cards they don't know about in poker. Everyone can see your board and items in tft. You can bluff in poker. You can't bluff in tft. (meaning you can win when you otherwise couldn't like in poker). There is a LOT you can do in poker REGARDLESS of your cards. TFT is 100% reliant on your "cards" to win. They are nothing alike. TFT is slot machines where knowing the game gives you an edge, but not any kind of actual control. You are 100% beholden to the champs that show up for you, the items you get, and they augments you get to see. All of these things are chance based. Climbing isn't hard. I am terrible. I still climb. I just quit after awhile cause slots get boring fast.
that one time i rolled 30 gold for 1 vladmir and i ended up winning somehow
I think luck is a big part of TFT cause ive had it alot that no one plays xayah for example but i couldnt get a single one even when rolling my whole gold at lvl 8.
As someone that just got proficient enough in TFT to hit gold, this is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you!
Really great video !
damn you right tft isnt about luck, me going 8th because 4 players got a dragon on stage 2-5 and i couldn't hit a single 4 cost pair all game, i got out played that game
i get many games where i get 3-4 items in the whole game, while my opponents get shit load of items. Not about luck? 90% its about luck