My breaking point on this one was decrying leftists ignorance of political history immediately followed by portraying the neoliberal revolution as a humble grassroots movement doing the hard work of electoral politics.
>youtuber has brand new philosophy that conveniently explains why he personally is a conservative >ask him if it's a materialist or idealist philosophy >he laughs and says "it's a good philosophy sir" >listen to him explain >it's idealist
I rarely see materialist thinkers completely reject ideas as important for political development, it's conveniently always establishment-minded conservatives who reject material or systemic explanations for problems regardless of political valence of the explanations
>listen to him explain "trust me bro, hes an idealist" this comment doesnt even make any sense lol 1st. i dont think JJ is terrified at being labeled a conservative by people lol. unlike what you expect... a very telling thing to assume. "conveniently" lol 2nd. is the contradiction that idealists are conservatives??? what???? 3rd. everyone should be an idealist but acknowledge that ideals cant be achieved. ("the perfect idea") -plato thats his entire point. which isnt idealist lol as it has practical considerations. so even the point of ur entire comment is wrong lol.
@@eatmoreburgers5918 unfortunately (and I mean this genuinely, it's not exactly intuative) you have just demonstrated you lack knowledge of basic philosophical concepts. You only understand Idealist to mean how it is used in common parlance: someone who innocently hopes for an ideal outcome or situation. But an Idealist Philosophy doesn't have the same meaning. If you would like to delete your comment and google what Idealism means in the context of philosophy, I will also remove this comment to save you some face--after all, everyone confuses the two at first.
@@stevenagelutton4322 what a pretentious reply lol. get over yourself and stop using "trust me bro" as your only 'substance'. your wrong your like a capitalist calling someone a communist because they believe free healthcare is good. (a materialist calling someone an idealist because they think ideals are good) It is precisely intuative. idealism is directly related to ideals. literally "perfect ideas" -Plato and achieving those ideals and believing those ideals are achievable. and then believing thats all that matters is peoples hopes and ideals. -JJ believes that ideals arent achievable and that materialism does matter. but still having an ideal is important its a lot more nuanced than picking one philosophy lol. both these philosophies matter. its so ironic considering a lot of these comment calling JJ a sophist are coming from pseudointellectual reddit armchair philosophers like yourself. but feel free to broaden the definition and split hairs as much as possible to try to display a "lack of knowledge" when in the end it just boils down to what i already said: idealism is about ideals. materialism is about material condition. its that easy. though you did make me wary with how confidently incorrect you are. so here is the definition www.philosophos.org/modern-philosophy-idealism
@@stevenagelutton4322 what a pretentious reply lol. thanks for the strawman, but nothing i said strays from what idealism is. you like a staunch capitalist calling someone a communist because they believe free healthcare is good. (a staunch materialist calling someone an idealist because they believe ideals are good.) JJ is a realist. he believes idealism is limited by material conditions. its as simple as that. i would go further but this comment section is HEAVILY censored and im tired of my comments being deleted. we can talk in dms and i can explain why JJ believing societal ideals are important doesnt make him an idealist.
Someone’s never worked a job with a crappy Union. They’ll take your dues and play politics while still letting the company wring you out like a damp rag.
Guy made up labour stats that are easily found on the statscan site then asked Joshua Citarella "Right?" like he was going to google it for him. JJ is a total sophist.
no its because he got credible accusations of rape and went ring wing as his left wing auience turnd on him he truned to an audiance with less scruples.
This is why I can't stand centrists. They assume that understanding basic civics makes you a fully-educated and competent political actor, but have no comprehension of how political power functions on a fundamental level. Nor can they comprehend the disconnect between economic growth and the economic realities that most people live in.
Yeah. His pivot from material to political (or his words cultural) basis exemplifies this. There is no connection for him about how the material informs the cultural, almost as if these two things live in a vacuum from one another, but is also very typical of lib left and center people. I don't agree with his every point though, including understanding current power structures before vowing to revolutionize them
This is why I can't stand progressives. They're arrogant and would rather attack the people who are 90% in agreement with them but they're more interested in making adversaries than allies. And it's why they don't get any closer to accomplishing their goals.
@@sean640 Yeah. Ask the average centrist why people are economically anxious despite typical growth indicators being good and they'll just shrug and assume they're falling prey to disinfo, at best. Can't fathom that economic growth is a poor indicator of actual prosperity under neoliberalism.
JJ is attacking a straw man. He refers to this radical kid that doesn’t know anything about the current political system, as if ignorance of politics is a precondition for radicalism. The majority of people I know: Conservatives, liberals, centrists, lefty voters, non voters are all very underinformed about the workings of government; and in my experience, the leftists are among the most informed. If you want to attack the ideas that people on the left are posing, that is fair discourse. But it’s a bit backwards to attack people for trying to think outside of a box that has continuously failed them
He is literally nailed with regards to Jimmy Dore, Russel Brand, Matt Taibbi, Bill Maher (to a lesser degree), Glenn Greenwald (to a lesser degree). All media figures with significant followings. I just watched a video were Taibbi went on a Fox Nation, show hosted by Vivek Ramaswamy, and was talking with one of the panelist about Anglo Saxson morality is critical to the United States
he has an EXTREMELY unearned sense of intellectual superiority. His videos are very boring but from randomly sampling his channel it seems like most of his stuff is him flattering himself for being smarter than the stupidest people on social media. He has a video where he debunks a few very bad clickbait articles about "conspiracy theories that turned out to be true" and comes to the conclusion that ALL conspiracy theorizing is stupid and irresponsible. Wow, really deep stuff.
It’s true but there are also a lot of people who are leftist more for themselves and the image they want to reflect than a real consideration for the current problems in the frame of our system, idk if it’s clear
@@J6warriori mean all conspiracy theories are false, that’s just basic knowledge, otherwise they’re not conspiracy theories anymore; and the mindset for conspiracy theories is very stupid, « questioning everything » certainly doesn’t make you smarter
You can examine ideas in a vacuum, but there is a lot of value in understanding the people who develop or glom on to them. I don't think JJ is entirely whack here, even though I politically don't align with him.
I work as a paramedic in a large city in the US. I essentially deal with the end user experience of policy decisions, good and bad, in regards to healthcare and other socioeconomic issues. I can't quite place exactly what it is that feels off. But I do recognize how comfortably distanced these two are from the major ills of current sociopolitical happenings. There was only a tacit mentioning of Gaza in regards to unions and nothing more. There was no address of the growing body of people who feel politically orphaned by the two party system and how that might be effecting this online trend of niche political identities. Both political parties in the US are clearly pro-war and corporately captured. Citarella joked about "parties leaving me, not me leaving the party." I feel like that sentiment has never been more true in regards to many moderate republicans and true left dems and isn't something about which to joke. I also think that JJ openly admits in the interview to gatekeeping political discourse and maintaining a barrier to entry that has ever moving goal posts. I think it would be interesting to see these two get off the computer and go to a shelter/food pantry and talk to some actual human beings, rather than just comment on what is ostensibly an online permutation of politics and political reality. Or maybe I'm just not adequately knowledgeable of politics for JJ to even consider my opinion?
Politics has always been about ideals beyond reality and not about the humiliation rituals of gift giving in a Weregild economy the elites (like him) have to perform by "going to pantries" or "meeting real people" so that the peasants dont realize that the elites are more like them etc. You do not have to do any of this to be good at politics, in fact, most never did. It is a retroactive mythology applied after the Roosevelt administration's populist drive.
I think this really captures what I find so awful about this interview (and Jreg's too, to a lesser degree). I work with survivors of crime myself, and I just don't think someone can think like McCullough if you work regularly with less fortunate folks. You think like McCullough if your full time job is smug clapbacks in UA-cam comment sections or something.
having this whole "a conservative is a leftist whose been robbed by reality" conversation while never mentioning the political science research that shows this not really to be anywhere near as common a phenomenon as people represent right after condescendingly talking about how uninformed the kids are is something
I'm trying to think what ideology describes this obsession with "dealing with the hard reality". Could it be unreflective pragmatism/instrumentalism, maybe capitalist realism? It seems like not many talk about this attitude that is all over North American political thought.
I think my biggest single issue with JJ's framework is that it's unfalsifiable, a moving target. What makes someone sufficiently educated or uneducated about their own systems? At what point has someone exhausted all other avenues within the state before they have his permission to oppose it from the outside? As someone who does keep coming back to him in the hopes his aggressively moderate mindset might talk me down from the metaphorical ledge, I can't help but feel his standards move further and further away in spite of the fact I grow even closer to their original position.
15mins of this interview is him asking the left to 'grapple with' why so many men in commercial labour unions ie. blue collar unions have lost their jobs in that space since, say, 1981 than the women who never held them in the first place. This guy just wanted to blame non-binary librarians in a union for the collapse of neo-liberal capitalism. If he'd just slow HIMSELF down he'd be more HONEST.
JJ, has anyone ever called you glib? Of course they have, but add one more to the pile. Illiterate, sure. Uneducated? That's a broad term. Do you mean just years of schooling? Or do you mean specific subject matter education? To what extent does lived experience and self-education count? Not an objective criterion unless you heavily qualify it; and then you have to *justify* your choice of qualifiers.
@@JJMcCullough This is specifically what I'm criticizing. The judgement is broad, malleable, confined to an unfalseifiable assertion that can extend exactly to the point where it excludes any prescription you or anyone else would disagree with in the first place.
He’s more saying tearing down the current system that has built a society of abundance and increased human rights is too dramatic of a response. JJ constantly advocates for changing things from within the system. It is imperfect, it is slow, and things have to be constantly fought over. However, it is possible and historically works.
yeah I suppose you are right. It may be slow, it may not be perfect, but I am going to advocate for reforms like medicare for all. It will not get me likes online, it also will definitely not happen, and my opinion will still not have any impact on any material reality, but I will be a big boy with adult politics.
@@rugonge This is the first sane comment I've read under this video. I don't how so many people can watch an almost 2 hour long video and only come away with the most reductive conclusions like "this guy doesn’t want to change anything".
@@TWE_2000 These people are extremists, they are deliberately lying and character assassinating because he doesn't support their extremism. You can see Nazis do this all the time. Someone will say "trans people deserve respect" and they will interpret that as "oh you want to mutilate my 3 year old??" When JJ says "accelerationism is bad" they interpret that as "oh you want nothing to change then!" They know it's wrong, but they lie deliberately. It's the only way extremism can fester. Without lies, nazism dies.
A lot of people are giving a lot of criticism which is valid, but I'll just say I appreciate that JJ seems to be intellectually honest in his beliefs. Even as a right-winger, he doesn't go for the low-hanging fruit of "anti-woke" ragebait, even though that is quite lucrative. I don't agree with a lot of what JJ believes, but I do like his commentary regardless. Found this podcast from the Brace episode, really enjoying it and your guests so far
@@chickenfishhybrid44 I appreciate his character and his convictions. I do not appreciate his politics, which are definitely right wing and about as far from my beliefs as humanly possible lol
@@distanceovertime7806if this guys politics are "about as far as humanely possible" from your beliefs than you have a quire narrow view of politics lmao
Not respecting the opinion of people who aren't politically literate has to be the most elitist thing I've ever heard. Imagine thinking that being a centrist puts you outside and above everyone else.
Also he's Canadian. he lives in Vancouver. The chronically-online leftist who hates the Dem Party and never touches grass is still more connected to the day-to-day reality of living in the US than he is. He is just comparing the centrist Dem consensus mainstream media to loony alt media and realizing that he prefers the Bluepill. But Americans can compare the centrist dem media consensus AND alt media TO REALITY in the US because they actually live here.
There is a difference between respecting people's opinion and respecting people themselves. You can respect people whoever they are and at the same time understand why they might have very shallow, uneducated opinions (flawed system of education, intergenerational transmission of poverty etc.), but still don't respect it. Every person can have something earned, not inherited or born that puts them above others in that particular matter, like having knowledge of something for example. Accepting that fact makes no-one a centrist or elitist, just a sane person.
If you know nothing about a topic why should your opinion be respected? It isn't elitist to acknowledge that people might not know what they are talking about.
I thought I was the only one who disliked him. He's probably allright just seems dislikeable. The jreg jokes are much funnier know even if he is really just joking. Obtusely Canadian people talking about America is kinda eh... mildly Canadians are ok tho
genuinely curious: does this still have any meaning to anyone in the age of AI and anti-western, nation state level bot farms participating in our media? i can't imagine any media literate person would care
The comment section certainly doesn't like him, though it doesn't really reflect badly on him. They are mostly mad about his criticisms of people with radical politics, because they feel called out.
The Post took down Nixon, this guy is taking on stand up comedians turned pseudo intellectuals for absolute moralizing over Gaza genocide. Not exactly a thought leader, or useful idiot. He's more of a useless idiot. Maybe he should cover women's pro sports. It's the new growth sector.
I found his comments about labor unions to be so hilariously off the mark, it's just your bog standard anti-trade unionist pablum that was common in the national review before Trump. Great to see another generation circulating just total tripe to a new audience!
Off the mark? Union leaders supporting more progressive causes than alot of their members is a pretty common thing. That's not an argument against unions. I think it's something people who want to see unions grow should take note of
And, Russel Brand is *Rich*. He has no skin in this game; outside of the awareness that climate change might get him one day. He's not one of us normies out here trying not to get vaporized by medical debt. The idea that some rich bozo could flip around to a more conservative way of thinking is not surprising. And, RE: "Wealthy People" being big-time Liberals/Leftists: ask them about taxes. I feel like, somehow, *that* is *exactly* where the buck would stop. Rich people loooove posturing about how bad things are, and shouldn't someone do something, but whenever one of us who has spent most of their life trying not to get vaporized by medical debt steps up and asks, "Share, maybe?" they get real conservative real fast.
Russell brand switched politics because he wanted to grift off of the right, also you can't really compare a celebrity to a normal person. Unless millennials get a sudden random massive boost to their net worth they are likley going to stay left wing
@@demonhunter437 To add to this: Brand’s main concern at this stage of his life is being cancelled for all the allegations he has racked up through the years. Of course he’s gonna cosy up to the anti-woke crowd where he feels safe.
Unbelievable, how he dismissed the material conditions. That is an essential part of politics. Otherwise just embrace that politics is nothing more than spectacle.
The 20th century is proof that people argue and fight over much more than just material conditions. Of course it shouldn’t be dismissed but comments like this are proof that leftists really don’t have theory of mind for their opponents at all.
everyone thinks they're on the cusp of some great realization about politics but ocean acidification doesn't care about their perfectly crafted centrist politics. socialism or barbarism has always been the end game.
Identity politics or any politics for that matter are not exclusive to materialism but without an awknoledgement of materialism engaging in any politics seems to me personally a waste of time because the other party may just move their goalposts as they seem fit to their idealogy/argument. The so called left and right in America do this all the time and you are left with a caricature of politics as a spectacle.
i don’t think young ppl are turning away from traditional politics just bc of ignorance - sometimes it’s bc they got involved early on and saw engaging with the system wasn’t effective. nothing will radicalize or blackpill u faster than seeing the community come together for something and just get crushed/denied/ignored by the institution
Can you provide an example of that happening? A fringe of radicals finding eachother does not equal the community as a whole coming together, and an institution is only has as much power as is granted to them by their community; ie. a community who had truly come together would vote in someone who catered to their interests.
yeah, it was odd to refer to young people on his campus and otherwise during the Occupy movement as larpers attempting to call back to the roots of student movements in the 60s, which he does legitimatize. It's clear that his approach seems to be "well, if it works, I'll praise it", a very idealist view of political engagement vs the tried and true learning that comes from experience. Community, I think, is the basis of leftist thought and one can only be an effective organizer by continued work on the ground to learn how to engage with one another, the state, and its actors. Some of the most pivotal policy of the 1960s that redefined citizenry and civic engagement would not have been possible without student/youth led radical action such as the SNCC and Youth Councils of the NAACP. For someone who celebrates Canada and the US "for what we have", it genuinely insulting to undermine the radical roots of youth who campaigned for and even died for those freedoms that he almost describes as a given from liberal institutions. Very icky.
@@hawkrivers-garrett9315 An institution can legitimatize its power through consent, yes, but also maintain its legitimacy by being the decider of what is legitimate, what is worthy to be considered. A fringe group of radicals finding each other and supporting their own needs could be the various Black Panther parties, where the roots of Free Breakfast and Lunch programs begin. Black Lives Matter organizations that brought Defund the Police/abolitionist policy to such a forefront that we see experimentation being actualized on the local level and its mention by Biden at the 2020 presidential debate. Or, Seattle WTO protests of 1999. The Occupy Wall Street Movement of 2011 which rooted itself in increasing the federal minimum wage with limited success despite its influence being indictive in Bernie Sanders' campaign in 2016. There were shared values, shared commitments for policy, deliberate campaigns and shows of force and yet an institution can swallow, mitigate and disappear its legitimacy and relevance by taking credit for it (such as the Free Breakfast program) or disavowing it as a real thing to consider such as restorative justice/abolitionist policy when it comes to our murderous policing forces and court systems. Marcellus Williams was executed yesterday despite lack of evidence, despite national media and concerted efforts of hundreds of thousands because sometimes what the institution has set in motion cannot be challenged, simply because they hold the power to ignore any challenge.
“I don’t use that materials of an analysis” *uses the example of Russel brand as an indicator of how everyday people might act.* “People just flippantly say sweeping radical things and I don’t take them seriously” *just assumes everyone making radical claims hasn’t worked in serious political work* “Can you work through the system?” Well my presidential candidate was assigned by the party, my senate candidate out fundraised everyone else in the primary 7-1, my house candidate bought every political office has has ever had with his personal millions… so where am I able to intervene here. I don’t have billionaires backing my values and ideas like conservatives do… This is fundamentally not a serious person
I like how JJ demands actionable arguments (as one should) and most of the commenters here lack them or any intelligence. Try again commenters. Try try again.
1:23:40 "I've always been drawn to things that seem important" this whole miniute or so makes his whole deal make way more sense. Not political sense lol but for him personally.
@@pragueuprising560 yeah I don’t think it’s a privileged fucking take to ask a citizen to understand how their government and society works. Like what the fuck
@@mharley3791 it's a privileged take to make this analysis without trying to understand why people are upset?? The stance itself is assuming the people he's talking about are uneducated - leftists have been engaging with all of this for years, he is being extremely dishonest
@@ZachariahtheMessiah it is not a privilege to expect citizens of a country to understand the three branches of government or the constitutional system that the country is based on.
@@BurktheClerk conservstive in the literal sense of conserving things of today, yeah, but obvioisly when people think of 'American conservatives', they think of these quite extreme MAGA types, which he obviously isn't
I can feel my spirit and imagination draining away as I continue listening to JJ talk throughout this interview...it's hard to explain just what it is that is driving this intense emotional response inside me. i can feel the centrist gatekeeping pulsing through his voice as he ruthlessly subdues even the slightest opportunity for a moment of rupture in standard conversational dialogue to let a new world of thought be born. the potential for new ideas that he immediately forecloses on because he needs to get his programmed response out is...ingratiating. but kudos to josh for sparking this contemplation.
Yes, I thought I liked him, but I increasingly find him borderline insufferable. He's like uniquely just the parts of "conservative" that I wish to see purged or moved on from lol.
@@artchad uh-huh. Totally. I have no ability to fathom a universal human experience. Silly me. Or maybe their politics are simply a lot closer than the vast, screaming-match gulf they present publicly.
"Poor villagers voting for Trump and rich urban people voting democratic are perfectly and rationally explained by materialist analysis, why do you ask? " /s
@@happyelephant5384 Rich urban people vote both ways, largely in line with their social circles and the image they want to project. They’re both parties primarily of big business, so the material explanation is the same for whichever they choose. Poor people voting for Trump? It’s dumb, but not exactly unexpected when material concerns like wages, healthcare and housing are conspicuously absent from both party’s platforms. “I’m not gonna gain by voting for either side but I can sure as hell try to make my neighbour’s life worse than mine!”
JJ always avoids materialist analysis and it's his worst take. His takes are generally nuanced and well backed, but he just does not grasp the actual material implications of present economic paradigms.
It's better to equate her with Hinkle and Haz yes, but Hasan is not that far off, you must remember the very wacky version if Candac we have now only appeared this year
JJ once said that leftist Canadians support monarchy, and cited Justin Trudeau and Elizabeth May as his only two examples. I think it's safe to say no one should take anything he has to say about the left seriously ever.
Other examples include literally every other Liberal Party leader, and also Layton and Mulcair. Relative to Canadian political parties, more leftwing politicians support monarchy
@@distanceovertime7806 the liberal party is the left in canada,arguing it isn't economically would be unfounded but this isn't an economic issue so it doesn't matter.
This guy is upside-down-world Nardwuar, I watch a Nardwuar video about an artist I don’t know or care about and walk away very entertained. Click on one of this guys videos about a topic I’m interested in… and I want to become Amish. How can this guy have access to the same internet as me, and never formulate a single interesting thing to say? It makes me loose hope in peoples ability of self expression. This man is the human equivalent of a package of starchy tissues that you got for free at the insurance adjusters conference. This guy is the exception to the rule of “no mid Canadians” If we are going to listen to self righteous annoying Canadians talk at long winds and say nothing, can we get Malcolm Gladwell? at least he has the spiciness of having been on Jeffrey Epstein‘s jet.
Right with you. I mean Its 00:58 and he talked about "meaningfull political action we need" and i am the one thats frustrated. Most of western countries had centre parties in power for the last 50+ years and look where we are today. Climate change needs drastic actions to at least mitigate the worst, but instead we got bills and policies that are as usefull as a pair of dove feathers while falling down a cliff. David Graeber call people like him the extreme centre for their unwillingness to change the course for anything but more to the right.
JJ types could show up to an Acorn meeting and listen or just observe a protest and draw their own conclusions but naw. It's easier to grift online and write Daddy Think Pieces for the National Review and feather your hair like Farrah Fawcett for visual engagement with your teen fanbase. Not a weird guy at all.
"No mid Canadians" I don't know how one could spend any amount of time with Canadians and come away with such an incorrect sentiment. It is literally the inverse of the truth. Canadians have made 'being mid' a central part of their culture and identities. It is America without the Revolution. Spain without the Inquisition. Ireland without Northern Ireland. The only way Canada could get more mid is if it relocated itself to the Panama canal. Canadians are so committed to being mid that they'd undertake the project if you presented them with a realistic plan to move a continent 2000 miles South and assured them no one would be overly impressed by the effort.
@@ejmoreno270 You wish Canada was Ireland without Northern Ireland. We've over a millenia of literature, poetry and music as our legacy, you've a genocide and a couple of good comedians
I was going to try to write some high falutin takedown of this condescending anti-materialist drivel. But in reality, I just can't take Canadians seriously.
“We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers." From June of 2023. I don't think it's right to take that power of striking away from the people, however it's worth noting they still worked behind the scenes to get something passed.
I could not even get through a minute. Ick ick double ick. All those political labeling really turns me off- the democrats have become the neocons, and call anyone who doesn't side with them right wing. It doesn't even mean anything anymore..
about higher education, as a person who graduated high school in 2020, a lot of my classmates saw further education as a complete waste of money solely because of the lockdowns and closing of campuses well into 2021. there was no “college experience” to be had. (it turned out in my city, students got charged for student fees that paid for things unavailable to students. people are now being paid back from a class action). i think from there it became important to a lot of recent high school grads to get into a position that paid over $16-$18/hr, instead of applying to college and working part time. a lot of my friends worked in amazon warehouses the year following our graduation, or began working in the trades. sort of unrelated to what was discussed, but i think the covid aspect to this shouldn’t be overlooked.
I mean also as a Canadian not mentioning the wholesale outsourcing of community colleges (where trades are learned...) to what is now becoming a pretty obvious global visa mill scam. For such a hard "aboot" canuck he really isn't speaking to Canadians, imho.
he doesn't care about that though he just wants to posture about how good it is to be smart. he said himself that he's not too concerned with materialist analysis - LIVED EXPERIENCE.
Got recommended JJ’s channel a few months back and was blown away by his ability to never say anything substantive or memorable. Everything that comes out of his mouth feeds the notion that liberalism is incapable of dealing with the crises of the 21st century. What no material analysis does to a mf Great interview as always Joshua, thanks for the quality content and I look forward to the next ep
The only thing most progressive are able to talk about is Material conditions, it's refreshing to hear a different type of analysis, there's 50 billion UA-camrs who already talk about material conditions
@@manusbyrne8972Where are you from? Here in the US no one is allowed to talk about material conditions without being called a commie. There's a huge wall to material analysis.
@@LongDefiant really? Nobody talks about wealth, housing or incomes? You can talk about material conditions without using language that is highly associated with communists. You can say that you think one culture is better than another however if you started throwing around the word "barbarian" people are going to think you're a racist, even though it literally means the same thing
@@manusbyrne8972 sure you can point out the housing is a problem, or healthcare... But as soon as you start saying that people are trapped in the system and that their condition is super determined by economic reality, you're a "commie". Of course if you say things like "they just need to get a job" and "work harder" it's perfectly fine to point out problems. Blaming the victim is always permitted.
@@LongDefiant the only thing people are talking about right now is the economy, the idea that you would be labelled as a Communist for that position is obsured. Maybe 15 years ago fox news would do that but now they're obsessed with the white working class (not black or Latin working class)
As some form of Leftist Anarchist, I have to agree with these views on properly reaching radical conclusions, I think American democracy is rancid, arrogant, and an endless bureaucracy, but it's untenable to try to upend that without understanding the systems it backs up. There's no need to be cynical about working within the system, the reality is that instead of violent revolution and dissolution of the state, there shouldn't be unnecessary destruction, it should be a retooling of the systems we have. I don't want us to not have a census, to not have social welfare, and to just lob all the infrastructure we have. How do we expect to run bus systems, without a proper state, and without hierarchy? It''s about understanding how these systems work, respecting their usefulness, and eventually integrating them into a classless society, making a world in which occupation is built by respect and genuine love for contributing to a society that cares about each other. My thing is that, I think the left finds it too important to ingratiate people with cathartic ideas and revenge, it works from a perspective of optics, it's sexy: but it's shallow. What I want is for all of our local businesses, to feed people living on the streets, I want bus systems and grocery stores to be ran by the people who do the labor, and I want to be detached from a social system that seeks to benefit the rich, while thrusting average people into a constant state of disconnection from what they do. I don't know how to get there, I'm not that arrogant, but it's not through our ideology to get more obscure. My opinion, that as a populist, if your ideas can't be explained to your coworkers or a guy at the bus stop, it's useless. I think most people can agree, that at this moment many of the inconsistencies of neo-liberal capitalism are leading to increasing polarization, stagnation, and a failing of infrastructure. If that is the case, then it should motivate us to understand why, even though our political system is inherently obscured by the interests of donors, backroom policy brokering, and institutional bias towards candidates within the two-party system. We can address that first, firstly advocate for an end to super-pacs and corporate donors to campaigns, do something to shift our electoral politics, to a system where we can get someone who isn't so invested in corporate power. From then, we push for policies that actively go after these companies, build our own networks, and chip away in it. There is not going to be one big war, that ends capitalism: that's clear based on any social movement in history. But, we can build something different, by doing good and chipping things down, bit by bit. The ethic of an Anarchist, is as simple as Robin Hood, take from the rich and give to the poor, we can be smart, we can start small, and take that state to state. That's just not sexy, to people who are too invested in internet politics. Why would you burn down a Walmart, when you could just have a free building?
Trying to reform the system from within was tried by the german SPD. The party is one of the first marxist parties and with 149 years is around for a while. They are now neoliberal. The German Greens went from radical ecological party to neoliberal in 30 years. Its like political canceration. Further proof is the current Macron Goverment where to prevent concessions to the left he formed a right wing goverment and in the UK Starmers "centre-left"Labour party doing right wing things. Your last sentence is proof that anarchism is dead. No one seriously says bomb a Walmart and real Anarchist are already famous for squatting in houses. You know doing Praxis in real life and not talking shit online.
"There's no such thing as life without bloodshed. The notion that the species can be improved in some way, that everyone could live in harmony, is a really dangerous idea. Those who are afflicted with this notion are the first ones to give up their souls, their freedom. Your desire that it be that way will enslave you and make your life vacuous." -Cormac McCarthy
The guy who says he's a communist, says America deserved 9/11, the guy who brought a suspected terrorist on his stream, said landlord should be killed, is a moderate?
If I were to look at them with limited political context, I might call them both reactionary populist pundits. But with extensive political context, I can say for certain that Candace Owens exists outside of it. What is context with no awareness of its existence? Candy-O exists outside of the meta, outside of the political slipstream, in a bubble world made specially for her by the extreme alt-right metanarrative orbweavers. She is neither aware of historical fact, nor of modern subversive counternarrative recontextualization, nor of the future that awaits. Candy O, in all of her greatness, wakes up each day with a smile on her face, knowing that the great and powerful gods from above will display for her a beautiful teleprompting device by which to express her own thoughts, the thoughts of the great machine that she is so happily engaged with. Why question the machine that makes you happy, at the cost of only the borrowing of your voice? Hasan has no such happiness to share with the world. His world is sad, dark, and horrifying. A doomed reality in which the foundations of the world crumble around him as he cries out in anguish. Everyone hears him, but to what end? No difference, imo.
Im completely baffled by the level of hate for JJ. If anything his views are fairly mild and harmless, perhaps with the exception that his ideals could lead to some inaction. Ive followed him for years as a liberslly arts ethnic studies left wing person, and never have i interpreted his views as more than "not horribly correct but nor horribly incorrect". He's just a middle of the road person. Is he secretly a n@zi or something? Am i missing why people dislike him so much?
Cultural conservatism is so fascinating!! My grandad bothered the cow... My daddy bothered the cow... We need to preserve cow bothering traditions!! It's always been that way and it always will be!
Only the radical leftist torch-bearing mob, who violently hate anyone that don’t want to jump into their purity whirlpool with them. Normal people by and large aren’t commenting much here, unfortunately.
@@LongDefiantPeople always have their own personal and intimate reasons why they think in some way, why they like the way something or want to go back to something in the past. To them, it's not bothering a cow, it's probably something like fond memories of scaring cows with their friends.
@@calamitycanyon9173 we need to appreciate the genius of these gradually developed cow bothering traditions. It's worked for so many years. There has to be truth to it. Why give up something that's working? We need to deeply understand our cow bothering culture. Only then when we have this complete understanding we can take a step back and make adjustments. Slowly and gradually.
@@LongDefiant not what i was implying, just saying that there should be a degree of empathy for people who don't know better, because for the vast majority of people, including conservative-types, they believe things because they think it's what's best
The north star in this conversation seems to be Democrats versus Republicans, which is pretty superficial. The The notion that conservatives can now include people fine with gay marriage is incredibly myopic. It was a blink of an eye of ago when that was comsidered a non-possibility, suggesting things are going in a left direction over time (with the common sense notion of that rate of change speeding up) the real distinction between left and right is Brand New left vs Gently Used Left. Russell Brand as a "conservative" is a case in point.
I know this isn't going to be popular, but I don't get all the hate for this guy in the comments section. He's well spoken, cordial, and thoughtful. He has his opinions (which I don't necessarily agree with), and may be wrong (dunno, probably here or there), but I found this conversation very pleasant and enjoyable. Chill out, folks.
Yes, and your response is to replace it with more radicalism and totalitarianism. Which has always worked historically. 🙄 Congrats, your complete ignorance requires same shit different day to fix the problem. Why don’t you ask people who have actually lived under communism what it was really like before you consider it as a “solution”?
But Matt at least has the “1 billion Americans” take, it’s dumb, but at least it’s interesting. JJ can’t even grace us with something fun and stupid like that.
"I have no interest in being known as a conservative channel, I have an interest in being an un-left channel." Of course, he wants to feature conservative views on his channel without the stigma of the label. It would be better to be honest with himself and his audience, but now isn't the best time to be a right-leaning gay person so this is the play to pull in other "centrists" who happen to lean right on every material issue
Yeah so is Dick Cheney. I'm just pointing out that he's doing the classic centrist grifter thing, signaling his tepid support for the right while denouncing the left. Very common among liberals and even moreso among self-professed "centrists" EDIT: I just scrolled his page and this dude definitely discusses politics on his channel. It's not solely focused on American politics but he's got a video about how consumerism isn't evil, lmao
I remember this guy made a video about Ireland and it was eye-wateringly ignorant and incurious about the country he was visiting. It was also very clear he didn't talk to a single Irish person while he was there. Why even make the video?
@@JesseTate This really privileges statehood as important. Lots of modern states that were technically created in the last few hundred years actually consist of cities that are considerably older. Germany comes to mind.
@@grief_hammer As a kid, you learn that the US has one of the oldest constitutions that are still in use in the world. As a child, you think how great a document it is, how enlightened the authors must be to produce something that stands the test of time! As an adult, you realize it is painfully inept at addressing modern problems and it is actually good if countries are updating their constitutions every few decades or so
I really tried to hear this guy out. However, I’m almost halfway in and it’s clear this guy is lacking in real world experience. The US has a lot in common with Israel. Even our left is right wing. Whatever the hell that means. The corporation and military industrial complex own both candidates.
"The US has a lot in common with Israel. Even our left is right wing. Whatever the hell that means." Imagine being so unintelligent you don't even understand yourself, yet have the audacity to say someone ELSE lacks real world experience. Then imagine summarizing your political philosophy with the most tired cliché in the history of counterculture: Both sides are the same because they're owned by ______. You're a caricature of leftism. Go educate yourself so you aren't an embarrassment to us.
@@nicholascarter9158 It's not that they're obsessed, it's that it's their only political vendor. They get American conservatism's hand-me-downs, strategically. It's literally what they're up to right now.
That's specifically the lazy pseudo radical rhetoric he keep taking about,you can't reconcile what you said and a down to earth understand of electoral politics.
refusing a materialist lens, particularly in explaining culture war issues, is a classic and suspect move. he did that twice in the first 15 minutes. turned it off--not interesting.
His analysis of Russell is wrong. Russel wouldn’t be at CPAC if the republican party was the party of Bush and Ryan. That is to say the corporate republicans. The uncomfortable truth for this person is that it’s not really those millennials (who Russell isn’t, he’s Gen X) that move to the right regarding party political affiliation but rather the parties switching on major issues. Trump is by and large a liberal and has moved the Reps onto ground that traditional classic liberals (which Russel is and always has been) inhabit.
Trump is rather explicitly illiberal, so your analysis here makes no sense. Your conclusions that he's wrong about Brand are probably right, but not for the reasons you just articulated.
JJs argument saying the pokémon collection/learning taxonomy approach is a meaningless way to engage in politics, but then simultaneously requiring people have a detailed knowledge of their government (literacy) before taking them seriously does not follow for me. it also presumes there is no validity in personal lived experience interacting with that government. i agree political literacy is important but don't agree with his metric of judging people on it
So you don't see the difference between knowing the political mechanism that lead to a policy been executed and arguing about anarcho-strasserism on reddit ?
@@mathyeuxsommet3119for the people he's referring to, only the former is stimulating intellectually, emotionally and socially. Thing is, that is not an interest in politics, it's an interest in theory and ideology. Young people have always favored ideology. As a 13 year old (in ~2007) anarchist I read polsci books, particularly about ideology, but also about government, because I wanted to "understand the old system before we tear it down". A ridiculous premise, but hey I'm glad it made me do it. I also remember my uncle, a social democratic health care executive (I'm swedish), asking me how this anarchism thing will work after the revolution. For instance, how will health care be governed? I was speechless. In my mind that stuff was all minutiae. What really got me going was a) reading about Russian anarchists on Wikipedia, b) wearing a Subcomandante Marcos T-shirt, c) feeling disenfranchised, aka hating on old stuff You don't need to explain how to change things with extraparliamentary methods if the things that interest you, and that everyone around you strive for, is merely ideological. No he's not gatekeeping politics or whatever people are saying. If nothing else, as a young person, you should learn that shit to put the boomers in their place.
I also don't get the part about knowledge and activism. Most irl activists both left and right are pretty politically aware of how the gov runs, lost of them try to do mainstream politics too at some part of their life. I understand that he is making his conclusion based on twitter politics but like... Canada is full of political action on the ground, and same with US.
@myself2noone one can take that view . I don't see any real solution to most of the big issues that impact my life. I am just trying to make money and gain status, I encourage other young conservatives to do the same so we gain power as a block of valuable people.
@@96alexandermorgan You will likely never find a real solution to any real problem because new problems will arise constantly and each solution will eventually birth its own problem. Gaining status has less to do with political cohesion, because usually in groups of same aged men there is too much competition without hierarchy, and younger conservative men detest hierarchy. The "moderate" solutions are the only solutions; the radical solutions will birth radical pushback.
@@96alexandermorgan money and status won't make you "valuable" except as a tool to be used. you'd be better off learning how to fix things when they break, how to grow food and build community. be valuable to your neighbors.
Im so glad I found this guy and his podcast. I feel like the algorithm was slowly making me stupider and stupider despite my best efforts. Joshua is a refreshing change of pace.
15mins of easily found statscan figures on unions. Naw, it's the non-binary public school teachers who've ruined the labour movement for men, according to JJ. You know, the bad queers not like him the good one.
@@kadenp.8953he is literally faking it lmao, he goes and says people in canada dont use milk bags and its a myth, then he goes on and fakes an accent that literally no one uses outside of stereotypes 😂😂😂.
The aboot thing is so obviously affected too, he doesn't pronounce other "out" sounds as "oot," it's just "aboot" because he's trying to conform to a stupid hollywood stereotype of a canadian accent. Absolute weirdo behavior.
Woke was entirely cooked up in the wake of Occupy, Arab Spring, and Tea Party, and it worked perfectly to completely neuter any meaningful economic populist movement.
While I think "woke" was certainly leaned into and taken advantage of in various cases, I don't buy that it was "cooked up" in response to those things.
“Woke” is originally AAVE and was used to draw attention to systemic racism well before it was appropriated by white liberals to be an umbrella term for vaguely progressive politics
I thought it was a very good conversation. I am encouraged by the lean towards getting people to become more aware of their politics, the policy, and even the history of Canadian politics. 👍
Maybe that should tell you something about the radical nature of your political opinions if you can’t bear to listen to what the majority of people, who are in the center by definition, believe.
@@bas3qyou say that as if it’s profound but “centrism” in UA-cam is always means carrying water to MAGA. Dave Rubin and Tim Pool style themselves as centrists
@@forzaacmilan36 Yes, yes, when you’re carrying water for Antifa terrorists, anyone who disagrees with you *must* be MAGA racist friends of the Austrian Painter. We all know where you’re coming from. Let’s get you to bed, grandpa.
@@forzaacmilan36 Bad faith grifters using a label that doesn't apply to them is not the fault of moderate politics. If I call myself a commie and start hailing Hitler, does that make communism a fascist ideology?
I love when people talk about their position as "common sense". It's such a good short hand to let me know their mind is closed and they will only have contempt for the positions of others. Because if they're the I ones with basic sense, everyone else is nonsense.
So many of these comments, ironically prove JJ’s analysis spot on. It’s probably why they will never be a socialist revolution in America because socialist struggled to understand the basic fabric of America.
His arguments don't seem very rooted in history, which he claims one should know to hold to extreme positions. He may be a more thought-out conservative, but that only goes so far. I enjoy that he is at least consistent. There is evidence that the middle class once is it is slightly disadvantaged you get right wing revolutions.
Imagine having your first guest be Brace Belden and then by episode 4 your guest is claiming a fucking Twitch streamer is too radical and comparable to Candace Owens. Speaking of brain rotted.
Hasan said the Houthis were “doing what luffy would do” and laughed along with a literal terrorist bragging about holding captives. Hasan’s right up there with any dipshit on the right.
@@colamity_5000*Houthis demand an end to gcide and then attack shipping routes controlled by the literal world government whose funding and facilitating a gcide* "That's not something Luffy would do" Btw that kid he had on stream wasn't a Houthi or holding capitives. Also do you have this smoke for the thousands more hostages America and Israel hold or is this just pearl clutching? Because it sounds like pearl clutching.
yeah I have to remind myself these are all just teminally online and probably mentally ill people/and or teenagers. JJ is literally talking about everyone in these comments when he talks about people who are angry at the system without understanding it and they're taking offense.
1:21:00 I have tremendous respect for people who say that the everyday laborer is valuable. But to say that the source of value comes from the labor input alone is an error. You have to make something that other people value, otherwise you could just make mud pies and call it work.
I like JJ. I agree with much of his opinions but his analysis is at least justified not just some bs which there is no proper way to respond to and also he generally makes good unbiased content which I like a bit of an unfair charecterisation of the leftist community (and very north america centric) but overall I liked this very much as a leftist
Oh brother, this guy stinks!
👁️ 👃 👁️
This, but with 0 layers of irony.
He's a Centrist fence sitter with no real opinions.
You'll never believe where the smell came from
YUP. Basically what JJ says within the first 12 minutes is that he was on Conservative network because he wanted the attention. D-O-U-C-H-E
My breaking point on this one was decrying leftists ignorance of political history immediately followed by portraying the neoliberal revolution as a humble grassroots movement doing the hard work of electoral politics.
He did imply it was humble or grassroots lmao. Almost no revolutions are
When did he call. It humble ? He just said it was founded within the systems of power
>youtuber has brand new philosophy that conveniently explains why he personally is a conservative
>ask him if it's a materialist or idealist philosophy
>he laughs and says "it's a good philosophy sir"
>listen to him explain
>it's idealist
I rarely see materialist thinkers completely reject ideas as important for political development,
it's conveniently always establishment-minded conservatives who reject material or systemic explanations for problems regardless of political valence of the explanations
>listen to him explain
"trust me bro, hes an idealist"
this comment doesnt even make any sense lol
1st. i dont think JJ is terrified at being labeled a conservative by people lol. unlike what you expect... a very telling thing to assume. "conveniently" lol
2nd. is the contradiction that idealists are conservatives??? what????
3rd. everyone should be an idealist but acknowledge that ideals cant be achieved. ("the perfect idea") -plato
thats his entire point. which isnt idealist lol as it has practical considerations.
so even the point of ur entire comment is wrong lol.
@@eatmoreburgers5918 unfortunately (and I mean this genuinely, it's not exactly intuative) you have just demonstrated you lack knowledge of basic philosophical concepts. You only understand Idealist to mean how it is used in common parlance: someone who innocently hopes for an ideal outcome or situation. But an Idealist Philosophy doesn't have the same meaning. If you would like to delete your comment and google what Idealism means in the context of philosophy, I will also remove this comment to save you some face--after all, everyone confuses the two at first.
@@stevenagelutton4322 what a pretentious reply lol. get over yourself
and stop using "trust me bro" as your only 'substance'. your wrong
your like a capitalist calling someone a communist because they believe free healthcare is good.
(a materialist calling someone an idealist because they think ideals are good)
It is precisely intuative. idealism is directly related to ideals. literally
"perfect ideas" -Plato
and achieving those ideals and believing those ideals are achievable. and then believing thats all that matters is peoples hopes and ideals.
-JJ believes that ideals arent achievable and that materialism does matter. but still having an ideal is important
its a lot more nuanced than picking one philosophy lol. both these philosophies matter.
its so ironic considering a lot of these comment calling JJ a sophist are coming from pseudointellectual reddit armchair philosophers like yourself.
but feel free to broaden the definition and split hairs as much as possible to try to display a "lack of knowledge" when in the end it just boils down to what i already said:
idealism is about ideals. materialism is about material condition. its that easy.
though you did make me wary with how confidently incorrect you are. so here is the definition
www.philosophos.org/modern-philosophy-idealism
@@stevenagelutton4322 what a pretentious reply lol. thanks for the strawman, but nothing i said strays from what idealism is.
you like a staunch capitalist calling someone a communist because they believe free healthcare is good.
(a staunch materialist calling someone an idealist because they believe ideals are good.)
JJ is a realist. he believes idealism is limited by material conditions. its as simple as that.
i would go further but this comment section is HEAVILY censored and im tired of my comments being deleted. we can talk in dms and i can explain why JJ believing societal ideals are important doesnt make him an idealist.
Labor unions are too woke. I'd much rather get less money for more work. I love my employer.
You're too woke. You should be deported.
it makes me sad that there's not enough boots to lick.
i regret there are not more boots to lick.
Someone’s never worked a job with a crappy Union. They’ll take your dues and play politics while still letting the company wring you out like a damp rag.
Guy made up labour stats that are easily found on the statscan site then asked Joshua Citarella "Right?" like he was going to google it for him. JJ is a total sophist.
Russell brand panders to conservatives because of audience capture, not because he “aged into conservatism.” He just likes money.
the more you have money, the more you wanna keep it, the more you're attracted to the right
and also right wingers on the Internet are more forgiving of sleazebag men / more skeptical of their victims
no its because he got credible accusations of rape and went ring wing as his left wing auience turnd on him he truned to an audiance with less scruples.
That sounds like peak cynicism to me. Was his conversion to Catholicism just to pander, too?
@@TheSyborguewell, yeah, but billionaires don’t fund anything to the left of Pod Save America.
As someone who grew up near Canada, I’ve never heard anyone ABOOOT this hard.
Yeah, he definitely does it on purpose and it's the most unwatchable cringy shit I've ever seen.
@@brynnplantcalm down brother
@@brynnplant it’s cringy but in a whimsical manner.
@@aandwdabest she was a fairy~
As someone from the same part of Canada as JJ, same
This is why I can't stand centrists. They assume that understanding basic civics makes you a fully-educated and competent political actor, but have no comprehension of how political power functions on a fundamental level. Nor can they comprehend the disconnect between economic growth and the economic realities that most people live in.
Yeah. His pivot from material to political (or his words cultural) basis exemplifies this. There is no connection for him about how the material informs the cultural, almost as if these two things live in a vacuum from one another, but is also very typical of lib left and center people. I don't agree with his every point though, including understanding current power structures before vowing to revolutionize them
This is why I can't stand progressives. They're arrogant and would rather attack the people who are 90% in agreement with them but they're more interested in making adversaries than allies. And it's why they don't get any closer to accomplishing their goals.
Centrists cannot comprehend the disconnect of economic growth and common economic realities?
@@sean640 Yeah. Ask the average centrist why people are economically anxious despite typical growth indicators being good and they'll just shrug and assume they're falling prey to disinfo, at best. Can't fathom that economic growth is a poor indicator of actual prosperity under neoliberalism.
I think what he said is fair. Too many people sit on the sidelines and daydream instead of getting actively involved in the political process.
It's crazy JJ is getting crap for this... because he is 100% right about everything he's saying
yeah on opposite day
@nurgle-j5n What did he say that was inaccurate?
marxists get really angy when someone doesn't agree with their shitty worldview
@@handsomelyditto4215well… it seems like it’s not just marxists.
Damn these comments are ROASTING JJ lol
I didn't think the mob would turn on him like this
im edging to this
@@Glue_Stick98 That was foolish.
It’s mostly empty criticism
What a relief. Homie used left as stand in for virtue signaling and pretended it was a real conversation.
JJ is attacking a straw man. He refers to this radical kid that doesn’t know anything about the current political system, as if ignorance of politics is a precondition for radicalism. The majority of people I know: Conservatives, liberals, centrists, lefty voters, non voters are all very underinformed about the workings of government; and in my experience, the leftists are among the most informed.
If you want to attack the ideas that people on the left are posing, that is fair discourse. But it’s a bit backwards to attack people for trying to think outside of a box that has continuously failed them
He is literally nailed with regards to Jimmy Dore, Russel Brand, Matt Taibbi, Bill Maher (to a lesser degree), Glenn Greenwald (to a lesser degree). All media figures with significant followings.
I just watched a video were Taibbi went on a Fox Nation, show hosted by Vivek Ramaswamy, and was talking with one of the panelist about Anglo Saxson morality is critical to the United States
he has an EXTREMELY unearned sense of intellectual superiority. His videos are very boring but from randomly sampling his channel it seems like most of his stuff is him flattering himself for being smarter than the stupidest people on social media. He has a video where he debunks a few very bad clickbait articles about "conspiracy theories that turned out to be true" and comes to the conclusion that ALL conspiracy theorizing is stupid and irresponsible. Wow, really deep stuff.
It’s true but there are also a lot of people who are leftist more for themselves and the image they want to reflect than a real consideration for the current problems in the frame of our system, idk if it’s clear
@@J6warriori mean all conspiracy theories are false, that’s just basic knowledge, otherwise they’re not conspiracy theories anymore; and the mindset for conspiracy theories is very stupid, « questioning everything » certainly doesn’t make you smarter
You can examine ideas in a vacuum, but there is a lot of value in understanding the people who develop or glom on to them.
I don't think JJ is entirely whack here, even though I politically don't align with him.
I work as a paramedic in a large city in the US. I essentially deal with the end user experience of policy decisions, good and bad, in regards to healthcare and other socioeconomic issues. I can't quite place exactly what it is that feels off. But I do recognize how comfortably distanced these two are from the major ills of current sociopolitical happenings. There was only a tacit mentioning of Gaza in regards to unions and nothing more. There was no address of the growing body of people who feel politically orphaned by the two party system and how that might be effecting this online trend of niche political identities. Both political parties in the US are clearly pro-war and corporately captured. Citarella joked about "parties leaving me, not me leaving the party." I feel like that sentiment has never been more true in regards to many moderate republicans and true left dems and isn't something about which to joke. I also think that JJ openly admits in the interview to gatekeeping political discourse and maintaining a barrier to entry that has ever moving goal posts. I think it would be interesting to see these two get off the computer and go to a shelter/food pantry and talk to some actual human beings, rather than just comment on what is ostensibly an online permutation of politics and political reality. Or maybe I'm just not adequately knowledgeable of politics for JJ to even consider my opinion?
You need a PhD from the right institution with the correct dissertation sponsors to gain his attention.
Politics has always been about ideals beyond reality and not about the humiliation rituals of gift giving in a Weregild economy the elites (like him) have to perform by "going to pantries" or "meeting real people" so that the peasants dont realize that the elites are more like them etc. You do not have to do any of this to be good at politics, in fact, most never did. It is a retroactive mythology applied after the Roosevelt administration's populist drive.
You gotem dude
yes my thoughts as well
I think this really captures what I find so awful about this interview (and Jreg's too, to a lesser degree). I work with survivors of crime myself, and I just don't think someone can think like McCullough if you work regularly with less fortunate folks. You think like McCullough if your full time job is smug clapbacks in UA-cam comment sections or something.
having this whole "a conservative is a leftist whose been robbed by reality" conversation while never mentioning the political science research that shows this not really to be anywhere near as common a phenomenon as people represent right after condescendingly talking about how uninformed the kids are is something
Haha its okay, calm down. You'll understand more as you get older.
Come to say the same thing! Most research doesn't say this is what happens!! Why are we bothering here?
@@blister81bait used to be believable
I'm trying to think what ideology describes this obsession with "dealing with the hard reality". Could it be unreflective pragmatism/instrumentalism, maybe capitalist realism? It seems like not many talk about this attitude that is all over North American political thought.
I don't believe he said anything you're describing here
I think my biggest single issue with JJ's framework is that it's unfalsifiable, a moving target. What makes someone sufficiently educated or uneducated about their own systems? At what point has someone exhausted all other avenues within the state before they have his permission to oppose it from the outside? As someone who does keep coming back to him in the hopes his aggressively moderate mindset might talk me down from the metaphorical ledge, I can't help but feel his standards move further and further away in spite of the fact I grow even closer to their original position.
15mins of this interview is him asking the left to 'grapple with' why so many men in commercial labour unions ie. blue collar unions have lost their jobs in that space since, say, 1981 than the women who never held them in the first place. This guy just wanted to blame non-binary librarians in a union for the collapse of neo-liberal capitalism. If he'd just slow HIMSELF down he'd be more HONEST.
I think it is easy to judge if someone is uneducated or illiterate. This doesn't seem like that radical of a test.
@@JJMcCulloughyet another blanket statement without clear lines or an endgoal except constant ambiguity.
Grow a pair and give a solid usefull answer.
JJ, has anyone ever called you glib? Of course they have, but add one more to the pile.
Illiterate, sure. Uneducated? That's a broad term. Do you mean just years of schooling? Or do you mean specific subject matter education? To what extent does lived experience and self-education count?
Not an objective criterion unless you heavily qualify it; and then you have to *justify* your choice of qualifiers.
@@JJMcCullough This is specifically what I'm criticizing. The judgement is broad, malleable, confined to an unfalseifiable assertion that can extend exactly to the point where it excludes any prescription you or anyone else would disagree with in the first place.
Hell ya you found the guy from the Flaming Lips to say that it is more effective to just support the current thing than criticize it
He’s more saying tearing down the current system that has built a society of abundance and increased human rights is too dramatic of a response. JJ constantly advocates for changing things from within the system. It is imperfect, it is slow, and things have to be constantly fought over. However, it is possible and historically works.
yeah I suppose you are right. It may be slow, it may not be perfect, but I am going to advocate for reforms like medicare for all. It will not get me likes online, it also will definitely not happen, and my opinion will still not have any impact on any material reality, but I will be a big boy with adult politics.
@@rugonge This is the first sane comment I've read under this video. I don't how so many people can watch an almost 2 hour long video and only come away with the most reductive conclusions like "this guy doesn’t want to change anything".
@@TWE_2000 These people are extremists, they are deliberately lying and character assassinating because he doesn't support their extremism. You can see Nazis do this all the time. Someone will say "trans people deserve respect" and they will interpret that as "oh you want to mutilate my 3 year old??" When JJ says "accelerationism is bad" they interpret that as "oh you want nothing to change then!" They know it's wrong, but they lie deliberately. It's the only way extremism can fester. Without lies, nazism dies.
A lot of people are giving a lot of criticism which is valid, but I'll just say I appreciate that JJ seems to be intellectually honest in his beliefs. Even as a right-winger, he doesn't go for the low-hanging fruit of "anti-woke" ragebait, even though that is quite lucrative. I don't agree with a lot of what JJ believes, but I do like his commentary regardless.
Found this podcast from the Brace episode, really enjoying it and your guests so far
You appreciate him so much because he's hardly "right wing"
@@chickenfishhybrid44 I appreciate his character and his convictions. I do not appreciate his politics, which are definitely right wing and about as far from my beliefs as humanly possible lol
@@distanceovertime7806if this guys politics are "about as far as humanely possible" from your beliefs than you have a quire narrow view of politics lmao
@@chickenfishhybrid44 That's the complete opposite? JJ's views are very narrow and fit within the mainstream, mine do not
@@distanceovertime7806 fair enough
Not respecting the opinion of people who aren't politically literate has to be the most elitist thing I've ever heard. Imagine thinking that being a centrist puts you outside and above everyone else.
Also he's Canadian. he lives in Vancouver. The chronically-online leftist who hates the Dem Party and never touches grass is still more connected to the day-to-day reality of living in the US than he is. He is just comparing the centrist Dem consensus mainstream media to loony alt media and realizing that he prefers the Bluepill. But Americans can compare the centrist dem media consensus AND alt media TO REALITY in the US because they actually live here.
There is a difference between respecting people's opinion and respecting people themselves. You can respect people whoever they are and at the same time understand why they might have very shallow, uneducated opinions (flawed system of education, intergenerational transmission of poverty etc.), but still don't respect it. Every person can have something earned, not inherited or born that puts them above others in that particular matter, like having knowledge of something for example. Accepting that fact makes no-one a centrist or elitist, just a sane person.
He never said he's centrist.
And... Well, if you don't know politics why should he respect your opinion on politics?
elitism is based
If you know nothing about a topic why should your opinion be respected? It isn't elitist to acknowledge that people might not know what they are talking about.
i think the only reason i like this guy is bc im a lil gay
this is a great post thank you
Another reason why i love the internet = comments like THIS!
he ain't too cute
I'm a lot gay and this guy sounds like every log cabin republican who thinks they’re edgy. I'm also old.
@@BrodieChree if i was as gay and wise as you i would know better
Hey JJ, you seem like the type dude to see this…you’re getting absolutely cooked in the comments
I thought I was the only one who disliked him. He's probably allright just seems dislikeable. The jreg jokes are much funnier know even if he is really just joking. Obtusely Canadian people talking about America is kinda eh... mildly Canadians are ok tho
genuinely curious: does this still have any meaning to anyone in the age of AI and anti-western, nation state level bot farms participating in our media? i can't imagine any media literate person would care
The comment section certainly doesn't like him, though it doesn't really reflect badly on him.
They are mostly mad about his criticisms of people with radical politics, because they feel called out.
why would he care
This guys is quite literally a smarmy PMC blue check journo and its amazing how little he cares about this label lmao.
Nailed it
Smarmy PMC bluecheck with a stylist who dressed them like a 22yo. This man is a right wing children's entertainer.
Yes. PMC. That's it.
He wrote for the Washington post and other propaganda outlets for more than a decade. I think thats the more important thing of note
The Post took down Nixon, this guy is taking on stand up comedians turned pseudo intellectuals for absolute moralizing over Gaza genocide.
Not exactly a thought leader, or useful idiot. He's more of a useless idiot. Maybe he should cover women's pro sports. It's the new growth sector.
He's a well mannered guy. But you don't work for the Washington Post in 2024 because you're insightful.
He worked for them long before 2024…
@@lachlanchester8142 no one said he got hired in 2024
Nailed it
@@lachlanchester8142even worse lol
sorry im not american, what is the point trying to be made here?
I found his comments about labor unions to be so hilariously off the mark, it's just your bog standard anti-trade unionist pablum that was common in the national review before Trump. Great to see another generation circulating just total tripe to a new audience!
Off the mark? Union leaders supporting more progressive causes than alot of their members is a pretty common thing. That's not an argument against unions. I think it's something people who want to see unions grow should take note of
hey bro how's badbunny doing?
Russell Brand is 49 and thus not a millennial.
Beyond being a cheap point, this indicates a fundamental insubstantiality to JJ's premise.
Also breezed by the current investigation against him for sexual assault by Metropolitan Police in London. Just a current year fact of record.
@@grief_hammer Russell Brand was primarily popular with millennials
And, Russel Brand is *Rich*. He has no skin in this game; outside of the awareness that climate change might get him one day. He's not one of us normies out here trying not to get vaporized by medical debt. The idea that some rich bozo could flip around to a more conservative way of thinking is not surprising.
And, RE: "Wealthy People" being big-time Liberals/Leftists: ask them about taxes. I feel like, somehow, *that* is *exactly* where the buck would stop. Rich people loooove posturing about how bad things are, and shouldn't someone do something, but whenever one of us who has spent most of their life trying not to get vaporized by medical debt steps up and asks, "Share, maybe?" they get real conservative real fast.
Russell brand switched politics because he wanted to grift off of the right, also you can't really compare a celebrity to a normal person. Unless millennials get a sudden random massive boost to their net worth they are likley going to stay left wing
@@demonhunter437 To add to this: Brand’s main concern at this stage of his life is being cancelled for all the allegations he has racked up through the years. Of course he’s gonna cosy up to the anti-woke crowd where he feels safe.
Unbelievable, how he dismissed the material conditions. That is an essential part of politics. Otherwise just embrace that politics is nothing more than spectacle.
The 20th century is proof that people argue and fight over much more than just material conditions. Of course it shouldn’t be dismissed but comments like this are proof that leftists really don’t have theory of mind for their opponents at all.
everyone thinks they're on the cusp of some great realization about politics but ocean acidification doesn't care about their perfectly crafted centrist politics. socialism or barbarism has always been the end game.
Identity politics or any politics for that matter are not exclusive to materialism but without an awknoledgement of materialism engaging in any politics seems to me personally a waste of time because the other party may just move their goalposts as they seem fit to their idealogy/argument. The so called left and right in America do this all the time and you are left with a caricature of politics as a spectacle.
There is still more to politics than Material conditions
@@manusbyrne8972 Sure. I'm just saying there is no politics without.
I like how this guy can't conceive of anything outside of his narrow ontology of "how the world works"
i don’t think young ppl are turning away from traditional politics just bc of ignorance - sometimes it’s bc they got involved early on and saw engaging with the system wasn’t effective. nothing will radicalize or blackpill u faster than seeing the community come together for something and just get crushed/denied/ignored by the institution
But thats literally everything in life... You have to try more than once, and get better at it
Can you provide an example of that happening? A fringe of radicals finding eachother does not equal the community as a whole coming together, and an institution is only has as much power as is granted to them by their community; ie. a community who had truly come together would vote in someone who catered to their interests.
@@sebay or just organize the community and DIY. ignore the system. it won't save anyone.
yeah, it was odd to refer to young people on his campus and otherwise during the Occupy movement as larpers attempting to call back to the roots of student movements in the 60s, which he does legitimatize. It's clear that his approach seems to be "well, if it works, I'll praise it", a very idealist view of political engagement vs the tried and true learning that comes from experience. Community, I think, is the basis of leftist thought and one can only be an effective organizer by continued work on the ground to learn how to engage with one another, the state, and its actors. Some of the most pivotal policy of the 1960s that redefined citizenry and civic engagement would not have been possible without student/youth led radical action such as the SNCC and Youth Councils of the NAACP. For someone who celebrates Canada and the US "for what we have", it genuinely insulting to undermine the radical roots of youth who campaigned for and even died for those freedoms that he almost describes as a given from liberal institutions. Very icky.
@@hawkrivers-garrett9315 An institution can legitimatize its power through consent, yes, but also maintain its legitimacy by being the decider of what is legitimate, what is worthy to be considered. A fringe group of radicals finding each other and supporting their own needs could be the various Black Panther parties, where the roots of Free Breakfast and Lunch programs begin. Black Lives Matter organizations that brought Defund the Police/abolitionist policy to such a forefront that we see experimentation being actualized on the local level and its mention by Biden at the 2020 presidential debate. Or, Seattle WTO protests of 1999. The Occupy Wall Street Movement of 2011 which rooted itself in increasing the federal minimum wage with limited success despite its influence being indictive in Bernie Sanders' campaign in 2016. There were shared values, shared commitments for policy, deliberate campaigns and shows of force and yet an institution can swallow, mitigate and disappear its legitimacy and relevance by taking credit for it (such as the Free Breakfast program) or disavowing it as a real thing to consider such as restorative justice/abolitionist policy when it comes to our murderous policing forces and court systems. Marcellus Williams was executed yesterday despite lack of evidence, despite national media and concerted efforts of hundreds of thousands because sometimes what the institution has set in motion cannot be challenged, simply because they hold the power to ignore any challenge.
He REALLLLYY said the trump administration had no legacy except being crude. Are we gonna ignore that
lol srsly, like the Supreme Court and Federal circuit courts aren't now packed with young hyperconservative judges on lifetime appointments?
or the literal COUP ATTEMPT?! 🤣
He's a conservative, he has to pretend that Trump was an aberration and not conservatism at it's end goal.
did you understood has him endorsing Trump ? Because he knows what trump did.
China policy, which Trump changed the narrative on and Biden doubled down on.
People don’t become conservative as they age. Age isn’t the factor. People become conservative as they buy into the system (eg home ownership).
Good thing we won't have to worry about that for much longer.
@@connordavis4766i loled
Then tell me why young men shifted so far to the right given that they're systemically oppressed by the establishment?
i have been reading this comment section for three days it’s so fucking funny. people really hate this guy.
This happens every time he appears in other ppls channels. Political internet really does hate centrists
I like him
“I don’t use that materials of an analysis”
*uses the example of Russel brand as an indicator of how everyday people might act.*
“People just flippantly say sweeping radical things and I don’t take them seriously”
*just assumes everyone making radical claims hasn’t worked in serious political work*
“Can you work through the system?”
Well my presidential candidate was assigned by the party, my senate candidate out fundraised everyone else in the primary 7-1, my house candidate bought every political office has has ever had with his personal millions… so where am I able to intervene here. I don’t have billionaires backing my values and ideas like conservatives do…
This is fundamentally not a serious person
I like how JJ demands actionable arguments (as one should) and most of the commenters here lack them or any intelligence. Try again commenters. Try try again.
1:23:40 "I've always been drawn to things that seem important" this whole miniute or so makes his whole deal make way more sense. Not political sense lol but for him personally.
Oh jesus I didn't even get to the part of thinking Canada should follow bush back then lol
This dudes take on people not having a thorough enough understanding of the system was one of the most privileged takes I've ever heard
What's priviliged about the idea that you should try to understand something before you condemn it?
@@pragueuprising560 yeah I don’t think it’s a privileged fucking take to ask a citizen to understand how their government and society works. Like what the fuck
The Internet is accessible to almost all Canadians and it’s not hard to learn about the system.
@@mharley3791 it's a privileged take to make this analysis without trying to understand why people are upset?? The stance itself is assuming the people he's talking about are uneducated - leftists have been engaging with all of this for years, he is being extremely dishonest
@@ZachariahtheMessiah it is not a privilege to expect citizens of a country to understand the three branches of government or the constitutional system that the country is based on.
Apparently, "conservative" in Canada is just a standard liberal in the US.
He's very much a Conservative here too.
All conservatives are neo liberals, there is no “conservative” that conserves anything aside from liberalism,
He's a moderate conservative by Canadian standards. Not a hardliner
@@BurktheClerk conservstive in the literal sense of conserving things of today, yeah, but obvioisly when people think of 'American conservatives', they think of these quite extreme MAGA types, which he obviously isn't
standard liberal in america is right wing in EU
I can feel my spirit and imagination draining away as I continue listening to JJ talk throughout this interview...it's hard to explain just what it is that is driving this intense emotional response inside me. i can feel the centrist gatekeeping pulsing through his voice as he ruthlessly subdues even the slightest opportunity for a moment of rupture in standard conversational dialogue to let a new world of thought be born. the potential for new ideas that he immediately forecloses on because he needs to get his programmed response out is...ingratiating. but kudos to josh for sparking this contemplation.
Two sets of incompatible programming.
Yes, I thought I liked him, but I increasingly find him borderline insufferable. He's like uniquely just the parts of "conservative" that I wish to see purged or moved on from lol.
Glad you had this guest. It has crystallized my opinion that he's a bullshit artist.
the fact he and jreg are close friends indicates to me that at least one of them is lying through their teeth about their politics
@@PoolNoodleGundam Or perhaps that they're willing to be friends in spite of their differences?
@@PoolNoodleGundam You couldn't possibly fathom the idea of friendship.
why?
@@artchad uh-huh. Totally. I have no ability to fathom a universal human experience. Silly me.
Or maybe their politics are simply a lot closer than the vast, screaming-match gulf they present publicly.
9:00 absolutely bizarre for jj to avoid materialist analysis in a time of great wealth inequality and job precarity
"Poor villagers voting for Trump and rich urban people voting democratic are perfectly and rationally explained by materialist analysis, why do you ask? " /s
he has to avoid materialist analysis because his worldview depends on not understanding material reality
@@happyelephant5384 Rich urban people vote both ways, largely in line with their social circles and the image they want to project. They’re both parties primarily of big business, so the material explanation is the same for whichever they choose.
Poor people voting for Trump? It’s dumb, but not exactly unexpected when material concerns like wages, healthcare and housing are conspicuously absent from both party’s platforms. “I’m not gonna gain by voting for either side but I can sure as hell try to make my neighbour’s life worse than mine!”
JJ always avoids materialist analysis and it's his worst take. His takes are generally nuanced and well backed, but he just does not grasp the actual material implications of present economic paradigms.
I don't know what you base this on except instinct but even in very equal nations in europe populists are doing well.
Seemingly equating Candace Owens' rhetoric with Hasan Piker's is sure something.
You just don’t understand because you’re not a serious enough knower of civics
Hasan on Ukraine is disastrous
yea this is where this episode totally lost me lol, that statement without any pushback was goofy
It's better to equate her with Hinkle and Haz yes, but Hasan is not that far off, you must remember the very wacky version if Candac we have now only appeared this year
yeah two people can have the same rhetoric ,doesn't mean they are on the same moral plain
JJ once said that leftist Canadians support monarchy, and cited Justin Trudeau and Elizabeth May as his only two examples. I think it's safe to say no one should take anything he has to say about the left seriously ever.
Other examples include literally every other Liberal Party leader, and also Layton and Mulcair. Relative to Canadian political parties, more leftwing politicians support monarchy
@@corincowley1351 Liberals are not leftists lol. A right-wing party is further "left" than a far-right party, doesn't mean that party is left-wing
@@distanceovertime7806 the liberal party is the left in canada,arguing it isn't economically would be unfounded but this isn't an economic issue so it doesn't matter.
@@distanceovertime7806The Canadian Liberal Party is pro-mass immigration and pro-wealth redistribution. It’s a left-wing party.
Lmao r u Canadian? Have u touched grass?
This guy is upside-down-world Nardwuar, I watch a Nardwuar video about an artist I don’t know or care about and walk away very entertained. Click on one of this guys videos about a topic I’m interested in… and I want to become Amish. How can this guy have access to the same internet as me, and never formulate a single interesting thing to say? It makes me loose hope in peoples ability of self expression. This man is the human equivalent of a package of starchy tissues that you got for free at the insurance adjusters conference.
This guy is the exception to the rule of “no mid Canadians”
If we are going to listen to self righteous annoying Canadians talk at long winds and say nothing, can we get Malcolm Gladwell? at least he has the spiciness of having been on Jeffrey Epstein‘s jet.
Right with you. I mean Its 00:58 and he talked about "meaningfull political action we need" and i am the one thats frustrated. Most of western countries had centre parties in power for the last 50+ years and look where we are today. Climate change needs drastic actions to at least mitigate the worst, but instead we got bills and policies that are as usefull as a pair of dove feathers while falling down a cliff. David Graeber call people like him the extreme centre for their unwillingness to change the course for anything but more to the right.
JJ types could show up to an Acorn meeting and listen or just observe a protest and draw their own conclusions but naw. It's easier to grift online and write Daddy Think Pieces for the National Review and feather your hair like Farrah Fawcett for visual engagement with your teen fanbase. Not a weird guy at all.
"No mid Canadians"
I don't know how one could spend any amount of time with Canadians and come away with such an incorrect sentiment. It is literally the inverse of the truth. Canadians have made 'being mid' a central part of their culture and identities. It is America without the Revolution. Spain without the Inquisition. Ireland without Northern Ireland. The only way Canada could get more mid is if it relocated itself to the Panama canal. Canadians are so committed to being mid that they'd undertake the project if you presented them with a realistic plan to move a continent 2000 miles South and assured them no one would be overly impressed by the effort.
@@ejmoreno270 You wish Canada was Ireland without Northern Ireland. We've over a millenia of literature, poetry and music as our legacy, you've a genocide and a couple of good comedians
I was going to try to write some high falutin takedown of this condescending anti-materialist drivel. But in reality, I just can't take Canadians seriously.
what's that aboot?
holy racism...
As Chuck Woolery said, "ANNEX CANADA"
You can study poetry and work as a plumber
Not saying this to be funny, but I think being multifaceted and interdisciplinary is best!
It what way? Economically, socially/culturally? Or both?
Is blocking the railway strike being taken into account when you repeat the “Biden is the most Pro-Labor President” line?
Yeah I mean he is its called relativity... what are our other options since like 1970....
@@ralphballon1539the statement functions like a red herring.
@@titusdawson he said in his lifetime what other president in his lifetime ?!??? Seriously name one. Biden isn’t a union hero but Christ man
Yes it is. "Most labor friendly" doesn't mean "always acquiesces to labor demands"
“We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers." From June of 2023. I don't think it's right to take that power of striking away from the people, however it's worth noting they still worked behind the scenes to get something passed.
Boy he’s certainly sayin stuff
Yep, there are some words coming out of his mouth
The man is a yapper for sure.
Dear god, the drivel.
Yappin’
Leftists actually engaging with opposing arguments instead of just dismissing them: IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE
I am only 3 minutes into this podcast and I already don’t like the whole podcast
Try the first 3, they're on another level altogether
Lucky. I just wasted 37 minutes of my life I can never get back
I could not even get through a minute. Ick ick double ick.
All those political labeling really turns me off- the democrats have become the neocons, and call anyone who doesn't side with them right wing. It doesn't even mean anything anymore..
@@TheEraLad sorry for your loss 😣😔
JJ is realistic and will always be there.
about higher education, as a person who graduated high school in 2020, a lot of my classmates saw further education as a complete waste of money solely because of the lockdowns and closing of campuses well into 2021. there was no “college experience” to be had. (it turned out in my city, students got charged for student fees that paid for things unavailable to students. people are now being paid back from a class action). i think from there it became important to a lot of recent high school grads to get into a position that paid over $16-$18/hr, instead of applying to college and working part time. a lot of my friends worked in amazon warehouses the year following our graduation, or began working in the trades. sort of unrelated to what was discussed, but i think the covid aspect to this shouldn’t be overlooked.
I mean also as a Canadian not mentioning the wholesale outsourcing of community colleges (where trades are learned...) to what is now becoming a pretty obvious global visa mill scam. For such a hard "aboot" canuck he really isn't speaking to Canadians, imho.
he doesn't care about that though he just wants to posture about how good it is to be smart. he said himself that he's not too concerned with materialist analysis - LIVED EXPERIENCE.
If glib lib condescension were a person.
I swear this guy is Canadian
He is
Yes
Got recommended JJ’s channel a few months back and was blown away by his ability to never say anything substantive or memorable. Everything that comes out of his mouth feeds the notion that liberalism is incapable of dealing with the crises of the 21st century. What no material analysis does to a mf
Great interview as always Joshua, thanks for the quality content and I look forward to the next ep
The only thing most progressive are able to talk about is Material conditions, it's refreshing to hear a different type of analysis, there's 50 billion UA-camrs who already talk about material conditions
@@manusbyrne8972Where are you from? Here in the US no one is allowed to talk about material conditions without being called a commie. There's a huge wall to material analysis.
@@LongDefiant really? Nobody talks about wealth, housing or incomes? You can talk about material conditions without using language that is highly associated with communists.
You can say that you think one culture is better than another however if you started throwing around the word "barbarian" people are going to think you're a racist, even though it literally means the same thing
@@manusbyrne8972 sure you can point out the housing is a problem, or healthcare... But as soon as you start saying that people are trapped in the system and that their condition is super determined by economic reality, you're a "commie".
Of course if you say things like "they just need to get a job" and "work harder" it's perfectly fine to point out problems. Blaming the victim is always permitted.
@@LongDefiant the only thing people are talking about right now is the economy, the idea that you would be labelled as a Communist for that position is obsured. Maybe 15 years ago fox news would do that but now they're obsessed with the white working class (not black or Latin working class)
As some form of Leftist Anarchist, I have to agree with these views on properly reaching radical conclusions, I think American democracy is rancid, arrogant, and an endless bureaucracy, but it's untenable to try to upend that without understanding the systems it backs up. There's no need to be cynical about working within the system, the reality is that instead of violent revolution and dissolution of the state, there shouldn't be unnecessary destruction, it should be a retooling of the systems we have. I don't want us to not have a census, to not have social welfare, and to just lob all the infrastructure we have. How do we expect to run bus systems, without a proper state, and without hierarchy? It''s about understanding how these systems work, respecting their usefulness, and eventually integrating them into a classless society, making a world in which occupation is built by respect and genuine love for contributing to a society that cares about each other.
My thing is that, I think the left finds it too important to ingratiate people with cathartic ideas and revenge, it works from a perspective of optics, it's sexy: but it's shallow. What I want is for all of our local businesses, to feed people living on the streets, I want bus systems and grocery stores to be ran by the people who do the labor, and I want to be detached from a social system that seeks to benefit the rich, while thrusting average people into a constant state of disconnection from what they do. I don't know how to get there, I'm not that arrogant, but it's not through our ideology to get more obscure. My opinion, that as a populist, if your ideas can't be explained to your coworkers or a guy at the bus stop, it's useless.
I think most people can agree, that at this moment many of the inconsistencies of neo-liberal capitalism are leading to increasing polarization, stagnation, and a failing of infrastructure. If that is the case, then it should motivate us to understand why, even though our political system is inherently obscured by the interests of donors, backroom policy brokering, and institutional bias towards candidates within the two-party system. We can address that first, firstly advocate for an end to super-pacs and corporate donors to campaigns, do something to shift our electoral politics, to a system where we can get someone who isn't so invested in corporate power. From then, we push for policies that actively go after these companies, build our own networks, and chip away in it. There is not going to be one big war, that ends capitalism: that's clear based on any social movement in history. But, we can build something different, by doing good and chipping things down, bit by bit. The ethic of an Anarchist, is as simple as Robin Hood, take from the rich and give to the poor, we can be smart, we can start small, and take that state to state. That's just not sexy, to people who are too invested in internet politics. Why would you burn down a Walmart, when you could just have a free building?
Trying to reform the system from within was tried by the german SPD. The party is one of the first marxist parties and with 149 years is around for a while. They are now neoliberal. The German Greens went from radical ecological party to neoliberal in 30 years. Its like political canceration. Further proof is the current Macron Goverment where to prevent concessions to the left he formed a right wing goverment and in the UK Starmers "centre-left"Labour party doing right wing things. Your last sentence is proof that anarchism is dead. No one seriously says bomb a Walmart and real Anarchist are already famous for squatting in houses. You know doing Praxis in real life and not talking shit online.
"There's no such thing as life without bloodshed. The notion that the species can be improved in some way, that everyone could live in harmony, is a really dangerous idea. Those who are afflicted with this notion are the first ones to give up their souls, their freedom. Your desire that it be that way will enslave you and make your life vacuous."
-Cormac McCarthy
Worst pseudo centrist out there. One of the prime examples of somebody stuck in the past.
Yeah, he's a leftoid
I’m not entirely sure how Hasan and Candace Owens managed to be equal from a “outrageous extreme positions” framework
Anyone left of Joe BIden is considered Stalin to Centrists like JJ.
And that’s why you are lost
He constantly defends Islamic terrorism.
The guy who says he's a communist, says America deserved 9/11, the guy who brought a suspected terrorist on his stream, said landlord should be killed, is a moderate?
If I were to look at them with limited political context, I might call them both reactionary populist pundits.
But with extensive political context, I can say for certain that Candace Owens exists outside of it.
What is context with no awareness of its existence? Candy-O exists outside of the meta, outside of the political slipstream, in a bubble world made specially for her by the extreme alt-right metanarrative orbweavers. She is neither aware of historical fact, nor of modern subversive counternarrative recontextualization, nor of the future that awaits.
Candy O, in all of her greatness, wakes up each day with a smile on her face, knowing that the great and powerful gods from above will display for her a beautiful teleprompting device by which to express her own thoughts, the thoughts of the great machine that she is so happily engaged with. Why question the machine that makes you happy, at the cost of only the borrowing of your voice?
Hasan has no such happiness to share with the world. His world is sad, dark, and horrifying. A doomed reality in which the foundations of the world crumble around him as he cries out in anguish. Everyone hears him, but to what end?
No difference, imo.
I thought this series was going to have serious guests. 😢
Why? The first and third guests are someone who pathologically refuses to be sincere
@@ultravioletiris6241 Number 2 gave me hope.
@@ronturner3598moron
@@ultravioletiris6241brace was probably the most sincere I’ve ever seen him in that interview.
@@tonksndante4809 that’s really not saying much lol.
not a hasan fan or anything, but i think it's a huge reach to say anything hasan has said is unhinged on the level of what candace owens does
Since hasan denied a literal genocide before hea not that far off.
Hosting literal terrorists and trying to thirst trap too lmao
Terrorist babies?
Hasan denying the Armenian Genocide
hasan is literally the candace owens of the left
He said America deserved 911
Im completely baffled by the level of hate for JJ. If anything his views are fairly mild and harmless, perhaps with the exception that his ideals could lead to some inaction. Ive followed him for years as a liberslly arts ethnic studies left wing person, and never have i interpreted his views as more than "not horribly correct but nor horribly incorrect". He's just a middle of the road person. Is he secretly a n@zi or something? Am i missing why people dislike him so much?
Also niche reference, but JJ’s hair is giving strong Pat Metheny vibes
: those who know, know
Haha I thought the same. The outfit too
After this interview he went and recorded a banger ECM record.
I understood this reference
I'd really love to get JJ's take on the ideas of Peter Turchin and his ideas of class domination theory and the whole 'secular cycles' view of history
Personally I've gotten more left as I aged...
Cognitive decline comes for us all 😔
bro aged from 11 to 16
You live in a European neighborhood
Same
holy shit people hate this guy 💀
Cultural conservatism is so fascinating!!
My grandad bothered the cow...
My daddy bothered the cow...
We need to preserve cow bothering traditions!!
It's always been that way and it always will be!
Only the radical leftist torch-bearing mob, who violently hate anyone that don’t want to jump into their purity whirlpool with them. Normal people by and large aren’t commenting much here, unfortunately.
@@LongDefiantPeople always have their own personal and intimate reasons why they think in some way, why they like the way something or want to go back to something in the past. To them, it's not bothering a cow, it's probably something like fond memories of scaring cows with their friends.
@@calamitycanyon9173 we need to appreciate the genius of these gradually developed cow bothering traditions. It's worked for so many years. There has to be truth to it. Why give up something that's working? We need to deeply understand our cow bothering culture. Only then when we have this complete understanding we can take a step back and make adjustments. Slowly and gradually.
@@LongDefiant not what i was implying, just saying that there should be a degree of empathy for people who don't know better, because for the vast majority of people, including conservative-types, they believe things because they think it's what's best
The north star in this conversation seems to be Democrats versus Republicans, which is pretty superficial. The
The notion that conservatives can now include people fine with gay marriage is incredibly myopic. It was a blink of an eye of ago when that was comsidered a non-possibility, suggesting things are going in a left direction over time (with the common sense notion of that rate of change speeding up) the real distinction between left and right is Brand New left vs Gently Used Left. Russell Brand as a "conservative" is a case in point.
I know this isn't going to be popular, but I don't get all the hate for this guy in the comments section. He's well spoken, cordial, and thoughtful. He has his opinions (which I don't necessarily agree with), and may be wrong (dunno, probably here or there), but I found this conversation very pleasant and enjoyable.
Chill out, folks.
"We need to find a moderate solution to fascism and declining empire" - JJ
Radicalism breeds more radicalism in response. Being moderate and practical is how you cool the spiral to radicalism.
@@paulpierantozzinow why would you want to do that?
Yes, and your response is to replace it with more radicalism and totalitarianism. Which has always worked historically. 🙄 Congrats, your complete ignorance requires same shit different day to fix the problem. Why don’t you ask people who have actually lived under communism what it was really like before you consider it as a “solution”?
@@paulpierantozziits the moderates that are vying for total war with “axis of evil” which they convinced themselves of their geopolitical rivals,
Radicalism is as meaningless a buzzword as Authoritarianism. One person's Radical is another's reasoned, sensible individual.
Wow, Matt Yglesias grew Steven Tyler hair. Let's hear him out
But Matt at least has the “1 billion Americans” take, it’s dumb, but at least it’s interesting. JJ can’t even grace us with something fun and stupid like that.
"I have no interest in being known as a conservative channel, I have an interest in being an un-left channel." Of course, he wants to feature conservative views on his channel without the stigma of the label. It would be better to be honest with himself and his audience, but now isn't the best time to be a right-leaning gay person so this is the play to pull in other "centrists" who happen to lean right on every material issue
He doesn't really feature his politcal views on his channel, and he is an unapologetic Kamala / Biden supporter, literally what are you talking about.
Yeah so is Dick Cheney. I'm just pointing out that he's doing the classic centrist grifter thing, signaling his tepid support for the right while denouncing the left. Very common among liberals and even moreso among self-professed "centrists"
EDIT: I just scrolled his page and this dude definitely discusses politics on his channel. It's not solely focused on American politics but he's got a video about how consumerism isn't evil, lmao
@@Klemkee
If you think liberals are right wing you eat paint.
@@merlintym1928 if you think supporting biden and kamala is left wing you're fucked in the head
Hold on. Consumerism is inherently evil to you?
Well, I liked 50% of the guests so far. no offense to jj or jreg, but they're just not very smart or entertaining
I remember this guy made a video about Ireland and it was eye-wateringly ignorant and incurious about the country he was visiting.
It was also very clear he didn't talk to a single Irish person while he was there. Why even make the video?
man this guy sounds annoying
you too
Thanks for coming on JJ, youve articulated a lot of my worries that have been hard to articulate in my head
"People who bet on America throughout human history" exactly how old does he think America is??? There's *pubs* in my town that are older.
Interestingly though, if you measure by modern states it's one of the very oldest
@@JesseTate Man, that depends how you define "Modern state"
@@JesseTate This really privileges statehood as important. Lots of modern states that were technically created in the last few hundred years actually consist of cities that are considerably older. Germany comes to mind.
@@grief_hammer As a kid, you learn that the US has one of the oldest constitutions that are still in use in the world. As a child, you think how great a document it is, how enlightened the authors must be to produce something that stands the test of time! As an adult, you realize it is painfully inept at addressing modern problems and it is actually good if countries are updating their constitutions every few decades or so
@@distanceovertime7806Yeah, that's why it works. Because they knew it needed to be updated from time to time.
My favorite Jim Morrison interview of all time.
I really tried to hear this guy out. However, I’m almost halfway in and it’s clear this guy is lacking in real world experience. The US has a lot in common with Israel. Even our left is right wing. Whatever the hell that means. The corporation and military industrial complex own both candidates.
"The US has a lot in common with Israel. Even our left is right wing. Whatever the hell that means."
Imagine being so unintelligent you don't even understand yourself, yet have the audacity to say someone ELSE lacks real world experience. Then imagine summarizing your political philosophy with the most tired cliché in the history of counterculture: Both sides are the same because they're owned by ______.
You're a caricature of leftism. Go educate yourself so you aren't an embarrassment to us.
In an interview he did with Destiny JJ brings up that all conservative Canadians are basically Freeaboos
Israel is a socialist state. That's not consistent with American Conservatism.
@@nicholascarter9158 It's not that they're obsessed, it's that it's their only political vendor. They get American conservatism's hand-me-downs, strategically. It's literally what they're up to right now.
That's specifically the lazy pseudo radical rhetoric he keep taking about,you can't reconcile what you said and a down to earth understand of electoral politics.
Is it just me or does this guy not realize he's talking about Gen Xers instead of millennials?
refusing a materialist lens, particularly in explaining culture war issues, is a classic and suspect move. he did that twice in the first 15 minutes. turned it off--not interesting.
His analysis of Russell is wrong.
Russel wouldn’t be at CPAC if the republican party was the party of Bush and Ryan. That is to say the corporate republicans.
The uncomfortable truth for this person is that it’s not really those millennials (who Russell isn’t, he’s Gen X) that move to the right regarding party political affiliation but rather the parties switching on major issues.
Trump is by and large a liberal and has moved the Reps onto ground that traditional classic liberals (which Russel is and always has been) inhabit.
Trump is rather explicitly illiberal, so your analysis here makes no sense.
Your conclusions that he's wrong about Brand are probably right, but not for the reasons you just articulated.
JJs argument saying the pokémon collection/learning taxonomy approach is a meaningless way to engage in politics, but then simultaneously requiring people have a detailed knowledge of their government (literacy) before taking them seriously does not follow for me. it also presumes there is no validity in personal lived experience interacting with that government. i agree political literacy is important but don't agree with his metric of judging people on it
So you don't see the difference between knowing the political mechanism that lead to a policy been executed and arguing about anarcho-strasserism on reddit ?
@@mathyeuxsommet3119for the people he's referring to, only the former is stimulating intellectually, emotionally and socially. Thing is, that is not an interest in politics, it's an interest in theory and ideology.
Young people have always favored ideology. As a 13 year old (in ~2007) anarchist I read polsci books, particularly about ideology, but also about government, because I wanted to "understand the old system before we tear it down". A ridiculous premise, but hey I'm glad it made me do it.
I also remember my uncle, a social democratic health care executive (I'm swedish), asking me how this anarchism thing will work after the revolution. For instance, how will health care be governed? I was speechless. In my mind that stuff was all minutiae. What really got me going was a) reading about Russian anarchists on Wikipedia, b) wearing a Subcomandante Marcos T-shirt, c) feeling disenfranchised, aka hating on old stuff
You don't need to explain how to change things with extraparliamentary methods if the things that interest you, and that everyone around you strive for, is merely ideological.
No he's not gatekeeping politics or whatever people are saying. If nothing else, as a young person, you should learn that shit to put the boomers in their place.
I also don't get the part about knowledge and activism. Most irl activists both left and right are pretty politically aware of how the gov runs, lost of them try to do mainstream politics too at some part of their life. I understand that he is making his conclusion based on twitter politics but like... Canada is full of political action on the ground, and same with US.
If there’s one thing I have to appreciate about Hasan Piker, it’s the sycophants who will pop out of the woodwork to defend their king.
The "moderate" solutions got us here.
That's mostly a good thing.
@myself2noone one can take that view . I don't see any real solution to most of the big issues that impact my life. I am just trying to make money and gain status, I encourage other young conservatives to do the same so we gain power as a block of valuable people.
so pretty good? are you aware of where humanity started?
@@96alexandermorgan You will likely never find a real solution to any real problem because new problems will arise constantly and each solution will eventually birth its own problem. Gaining status has less to do with political cohesion, because usually in groups of same aged men there is too much competition without hierarchy, and younger conservative men detest hierarchy. The "moderate" solutions are the only solutions; the radical solutions will birth radical pushback.
@@96alexandermorgan money and status won't make you "valuable" except as a tool to be used. you'd be better off learning how to fix things when they break, how to grow food and build community. be valuable to your neighbors.
Im so glad I found this guy and his podcast. I feel like the algorithm was slowly making me stupider and stupider despite my best efforts. Joshua is a refreshing change of pace.
I love this lineup you've got Mr. Citerella. A killer lineup so far.
No one who says “aboot” should be allowed to engage in this sort of pseudo intellectual contrarianism.
I have not heard a worse opinion, until I read this comment
15mins of easily found statscan figures on unions. Naw, it's the non-binary public school teachers who've ruined the labour movement for men, according to JJ. You know, the bad queers not like him the good one.
It's like he's doing some kind of Canadian minstril act.... maple-face, if you will.
@@kadenp.8953he is literally faking it lmao, he goes and says people in canada dont use milk bags and its a myth, then he goes on and fakes an accent that literally no one uses outside of stereotypes 😂😂😂.
The aboot thing is so obviously affected too, he doesn't pronounce other "out" sounds as "oot," it's just "aboot" because he's trying to conform to a stupid hollywood stereotype of a canadian accent. Absolute weirdo behavior.
Only 30 minutes in, but this dude is the smartest of all previous guests. First to equal Josh in discussion.
Hey, I thought those other guys were the most popular center left podcast
I appreciate JJ’s sincerity even though I would disagree with him on a few things
Great interview and interesting topics
Woke was entirely cooked up in the wake of Occupy, Arab Spring, and Tea Party, and it worked perfectly to completely neuter any meaningful economic populist movement.
They just put a fresh coat of paint on the old ‘political correctness’ debate and took it for another spin. Reactionaries gonna react
While I think "woke" was certainly leaned into and taken advantage of in various cases, I don't buy that it was "cooked up" in response to those things.
“Woke” is originally AAVE and was used to draw attention to systemic racism well before it was appropriated by white liberals to be an umbrella term for vaguely progressive politics
I thought it was a very good conversation. I am encouraged by the lean towards getting people to become more aware of their politics, the policy, and even the history of Canadian politics. 👍
He's more open minded than I initially thought but man centrists are the hardest to relate to.
Maybe that should tell you something about the radical nature of your political opinions if you can’t bear to listen to what the majority of people, who are in the center by definition, believe.
@@bas3q amen, bro.
@@bas3qyou say that as if it’s profound but “centrism” in UA-cam is always means carrying water to MAGA. Dave Rubin and Tim Pool style themselves as centrists
@@forzaacmilan36 Yes, yes, when you’re carrying water for Antifa terrorists, anyone who disagrees with you *must* be MAGA racist friends of the Austrian Painter. We all know where you’re coming from. Let’s get you to bed, grandpa.
@@forzaacmilan36 Bad faith grifters using a label that doesn't apply to them is not the fault of moderate politics. If I call myself a commie and start hailing Hitler, does that make communism a fascist ideology?
I love when people talk about their position as "common sense". It's such a good short hand to let me know their mind is closed and they will only have contempt for the positions of others. Because if they're the I ones with basic sense, everyone else is nonsense.
So many of these comments, ironically prove JJ’s analysis spot on. It’s probably why they will never be a socialist revolution in America because socialist struggled to understand the basic fabric of America.
im Calling it now: JJ and Jreg are fuckin.
😂😂😂😂😂…. Unless…😏
a brojob
I’ve been think this for a while
Chronically online. Nothing more, nothing less.
just listened to your 2022 JJ podcast the other day, I love hearing you two speak
His arguments don't seem very rooted in history, which he claims one should know to hold to extreme positions. He may be a more thought-out conservative, but that only goes so far. I enjoy that he is at least consistent. There is evidence that the middle class once is it is slightly disadvantaged you get right wing revolutions.
It’s a mistake to define everyone by the right left paradigm
Imagine having your first guest be Brace Belden and then by episode 4 your guest is claiming a fucking Twitch streamer is too radical and comparable to Candace Owens. Speaking of brain rotted.
Hasan said the Houthis were “doing what luffy would do” and laughed along with a literal terrorist bragging about holding captives. Hasan’s right up there with any dipshit on the right.
Due to the tone of this comment it's impossible to figure out who is being criticized here.
@@bigman3274both of them but mainly JJ (unless you're talking about the twitch streamer because that's Hasan he mentioned).
@@colamity_5000*Houthis demand an end to gcide and then attack shipping routes controlled by the literal world government whose funding and facilitating a gcide*
"That's not something Luffy would do"
Btw that kid he had on stream wasn't a Houthi or holding capitives. Also do you have this smoke for the thousands more hostages America and Israel hold or is this just pearl clutching? Because it sounds like pearl clutching.
What about him being a twitch streamer means he can't be extreme?
Reading the comments is just sad
Being a Radical Anti-Centrist is not a personality
who said it was? none of this is about "personality".
yeah I have to remind myself these are all just teminally online and probably mentally ill people/and or teenagers. JJ is literally talking about everyone in these comments when he talks about people who are angry at the system without understanding it and they're taking offense.
1:21:00 I have tremendous respect for people who say that the everyday laborer is valuable. But to say that the source of value comes from the labor input alone is an error. You have to make something that other people value, otherwise you could just make mud pies and call it work.
I like JJ. I agree with much of his opinions but his analysis is at least justified not just some bs which there is no proper way to respond to and also he generally makes good unbiased content which I like
a bit of an unfair charecterisation of the leftist community (and very north america centric) but overall I liked this very much as a leftist
No response from JJ on the Labor Theory of value??? Why is that where we cut to the NY city traffic? 1:21:01
i think JJ was making good points actually, there's definitely a lot of importance in moderation especially in the current political climate
Young leftist badly want to be edgy