Defyn is so good at flying the Me163 with his feet on the second monitor while recording the Mig19S on the main, can’t imagine how cracked he would be flying it with his hand!
The in-game efficiency increase from lowering the throttle is absolutely crazy. For example, the specific impulse of BI at 25% would be 1250 seconds, which is more than any rocket engine ever IRL. At 3℅ and 18600s, it would be more than any existing and in-development propulsion technology. At the lowest possible throttle, the exhaust velocity would reach 5500 km/s, which is ~1.8℅ of speed of light. It used to say here that rocket engines in game shouldn't be throttleable at all, but that wasn't quite accurate, so I removed it.
the 163's rocket engine was actually throttleable after a modification was made. The first version was non-throttleable, this made the plane have low endurance, the plane took off and climbed at high pitch angle, then leveled off at high altitude, but since it couldn't be throttled, the plane quickly reached compressibility issues at high speed. This was undesirable and the german engineers added a throttle to the engine.
Defyn Something you might not be thinking about when you talk about how many people just slam their jets into others is A lot of those people that do that, are fairly new to jets, I know I would do that, because I thought I had more time to dodge out of the way, but I would forget that I’m going 2x faster then in my props I think that’s why it’s more common for head ons to end in a collision from 7.3- 8.3 People are new to jets, they haven’t gotten the hang of it, and at least 20% of those people, will never get the hang of it, and will always dedicate everything to the head on, ending it in a collision
I just got the 163 and it’s a total blast. After playing the bf109 k4 for about a year it’s refreshing to actually be able to dog fight and not just boom and zoom. Very fun plane. Thankfully I’ve had lot’s of practice with the 30’s tho cause you get only a few bursts😭
I've said it many time before and I'll say it many times more: I hate these things. It's a UFO flight model that's balanced by a lack of fuel and ammo, so a disciplined individual flying it has essentially zero downsides. There is no "counter" to this thing, you NEED to either have the speed to outrun it or the agility to outturn it, or else all you can do is cross your fingers and pray that he's dumb.
@@heliogonzalezsanchez8227 The difference is that the Zero is actually pretty slow. Most of everything at the BR of any model of Zero will be able to outrun it since it has a very weak, high drag radial engine. It also has agility second to none, not even Spitfires can outdo it. So you can always run from it, but you can't outturn it. But with the rocket planes, the vast majority of regular jets can't outturn but also can't outrun it. It's like a Spitfire that has the speed of a P-47. Are there a handful of planes that are faster or more agile? Sure, but almost all of the rest are incapable of dogfighting it, and incapable of outrunning it.
Rocket planes shouldn't be able to throttle. Realistically they should have only an on/off switch because they didn't get "throttles" until the 1950's, and even then they weren't true throttles
@widewan7585 no, the closest thing to a rocket engine with a throttle ever made was an experimental plane in the 1950's that has so many separate engines that it would ignite/shut off individual ones to adjust thrust
@@fate3071 I hate to say you're wrong, unless my sources are wrong, the HKW 509A rocket engine on the Komet B had a 2 setting turbopump and a mechanical throttle, which provided overall 4 power settings. And correctly so the fuel efficiency of the engine was worse on the lower settings, which doesn't mean the range was worse on low power, but less overall thrust was achieved for the equivalent fuel do to the nozzle being optimized for full power.
It would be interesting if they made it very prone to exploding and catching fire. For some reason, the in-game damage model is rather robust, making a plane that is already hard to catch equally hard to kill.
True the actual damage model is normal but it’s ability to wing rip might make up for that. Otherwise the 163 DID actually used to explode on takeoff cause the runways were so bouncy you’d just jump into the air and crash back down dying instantly, it drove me mad 😂😂😂
Ayo DEFYN it's fulldanad the La-200 that was on all your replay😅 It was really a pleasure to play with you and btw your video is AWESOME and very interesting keep going. Also thank you for posting those clips I thought you would forget me...💔😅.
12:00 "Your teammates will just kinda shoot through you" yeah i was seeing this in ariete when i was grinding f-104s (iam spading it now) thad my teammates will just shoot missle to guy infront of me missle 10meters away from me no problem i think once i got shoot down by missle of my friendly 💀
It's crazy how many players moan about this thing being over-tiered but every time I watch someone good playing it in a video, they're utterly clapping everyone in their path. Another great vid
They're clapping bad players. Back in the day, when sabres/migs were top-tier and skilled players flew them, it was very hard to kill anything in the 163
Looks like the best fit for you at this BR. Very enjoyable. Like my tough French father said (being a prolific resistance fighter) "I hated nazis but i loved their mechanics". Cheers!
yeah starter jets are a funny br right now, so many people will literally turn/stall directly in front of you, they literally could not try harder to get killed by you
Irl they really just would blow up lol They lost a lot of their superstar pilots having them test fly this thing. It hurt the germans more than it helped
Once had one of these little bastards miss so many passes on my F2H that he gave up and J'd out. That's the way handcrushed planes teach you to play, I guess.
I got myself a La 200 and i been an absolute monster in every game, it's extremely fast and climbs very fast and retains it's speed even in a completely vertical climb and i been destroying everyone i catched, then this bloody thing appeared 😂
One of the things I don't understand in WT is why they made this plane so completely unrealistic if compared to the actual Me-163. The real plane was indeed very fast and could get close to Mach 1 on a dive, but this was its biggest problem, it was so fast pilots couldn't properly aim on their targets, bomber gunners used to say that they were the easiest plan to hit, because you just needed to fire in their general direction, and they would fly directly on the spray of bullets and either be badly damaged or killed, mix this with Tha fact that most Me-163 that survived any encounter with the enemy would likely to die on landing, one can understand rstand why there were almost no working plane left when the allies took down the nazis.
Historical match making would be something else for Germany. I pretty much played Germany in the beginning just because of that…. Then I realized it wasn’t that way
Pleaseee can you fly again the mig-15bis or maybe not again cause you flew the russian one like 2 years ago. I just really wanna see the subtle changes (if they have) to the gameplay. P.S I just bought it so no clue how to fly cold war jets(first one)
I've never flown this plane I've been playing for about 11 years and still are on prop planes war thunder makes it impossible to get new vehicles unless you spend thousands
So the other day I SOMEHOW managed to beat a 163 in a dog-fight... w/ an F3D-1. I think I only won because I managed to hit it w/ 1 or 2 20mils though it didn't seem like they did very much damage... it 100% shoulda won though because c'mon, it's a god-damn komet
i cant tell you the number of people per match that just go directly into the defended airfield's anti air and just melt instantly its not just one, but two or three all one after the other its depressing and terribly predictable
Serious question, is it a "pilot G" issue? I see your Me-163 taking these hard turns I don't even take in something like my Attacker, Hunter, or Harrier.
As an American main when I have to play against this thing I HATE it. I just got the Sabre A and I’m still 90% stock. If I see a 163 on my tail I know I’m dead and it’s so fucking annoying
I recently bought the Me163 and i love it. Mini nuke rounds, fast af boi and agile. The only thing that is pissing me off in that plane is wing overload crash.
I cant believe that tiny propeller on the front can generate this much speed on the thing thats crazy
Makes it go so fast the tail is on fire
no thats a power generator. the rocket engine in the back propels it
@@dhiaanthakkar9272 re-read the original post, then think about why someone would write it. Then think of another reason why someone would write it.
@@dhiaanthakkar9272yikes 😬
Reminds me of one of them little propeller hats. It's so cute
Defyn is so good at flying the Me163 with his feet on the second monitor while recording the Mig19S on the main, can’t imagine how cracked he would be flying it with his hand!
this is true, look up "defyn feet pics" for more info
I really hope it stays around 8.0, it's so fun and utterly OP if you know what you're doing
I barely find it fun
@@ViktorontoThe you barely know what you're doing 🤷🏻♂️
163 players belong on a cross
I don't like it because of the guns... you have to get so close just because these guns are stupidly slow
@@pazdol4705 I don’t find it fun because the guns are horrible and almost everything is faster than you.
The in-game efficiency increase from lowering the throttle is absolutely crazy. For example, the specific impulse of BI at 25% would be 1250 seconds, which is more than any rocket engine ever IRL.
At 3℅ and 18600s, it would be more than any existing and in-development propulsion technology.
At the lowest possible throttle, the exhaust velocity would reach 5500 km/s, which is ~1.8℅ of speed of light.
It used to say here that rocket engines in game shouldn't be throttleable at all, but that wasn't quite accurate, so I removed it.
the 163's rocket engine was actually throttleable after a modification was made. The first version was non-throttleable, this made the plane have low endurance, the plane took off and climbed at high pitch angle, then leveled off at high altitude, but since it couldn't be throttled, the plane quickly reached compressibility issues at high speed. This was undesirable and the german engineers added a throttle to the engine.
@@s_ziel but as he explained, lowering throttle was not nearly as efficient as in-game
The reason the 163 took so long to enter service was the delay in developing the throttlable ability of the motor .
@@KekusMagnus True, but I was only talking about the throttle on the 163, I've not said anything about the efficiency.
Where are you getting these numbers from?
damn, that's a fast german superprop. The tails on fire from the speeds
for real bro... i heard that the prop is so small that it's super fuel efficient. insane...
Me163 is a godsend, but it all depends on your aim and discipline.
I have neither.
same bro@@bruetel436
@@bruetel436 i felt that
Easily the most fun plane in game. More fun even than the zeros.
It's in a magical place, were missiles are shit, early jet planes turn like bricks and aren't very fast. No wonder it's fun
Defyn
Something you might not be thinking about when you talk about how many people just slam their jets into others is
A lot of those people that do that, are fairly new to jets, I know I would do that, because I thought I had more time to dodge out of the way, but I would forget that I’m going 2x faster then in my props
I think that’s why it’s more common for head ons to end in a collision from 7.3- 8.3
People are new to jets, they haven’t gotten the hang of it, and at least 20% of those people, will never get the hang of it, and will always dedicate everything to the head on, ending it in a collision
If you can't safely do a head on, then just don't go into a head on😉
yes but also KAMIKAZEEEEEEE
Or, they are Russians!
Love this plane. The throttle is amazing.
thank you Defyn for the asmr at 16:02
very satisfying.
I just got the 163 and it’s a total blast. After playing the bf109 k4 for about a year it’s refreshing to actually be able to dog fight and not just boom and zoom. Very fun plane. Thankfully I’ve had lot’s of practice with the 30’s tho cause you get only a few bursts😭
Just play russia or japan, they have a lot of good vehicles and most of them are not bnz specialists like the bf 109 so you can dogfight
When sabres were top tier and I was stock grinding mine, I remember being ganked by those as I was leaving the AF area under 400kph. Funny times.
Fun plane. Spaded it a little while back. It’s semi hard to use but once u get the hang of the fuel it’s insane tbh
I've said it many time before and I'll say it many times more: I hate these things. It's a UFO flight model that's balanced by a lack of fuel and ammo, so a disciplined individual flying it has essentially zero downsides. There is no "counter" to this thing, you NEED to either have the speed to outrun it or the agility to outturn it, or else all you can do is cross your fingers and pray that he's dumb.
Yeah I mean if the player isn’t amazing then they won’t be able to snipe you from longer than 600m away
It's the same with zero's, you have to outrun them because they will out turn you, but does that make it op? No
@@heliogonzalezsanchez8227 The difference is that the Zero is actually pretty slow. Most of everything at the BR of any model of Zero will be able to outrun it since it has a very weak, high drag radial engine. It also has agility second to none, not even Spitfires can outdo it. So you can always run from it, but you can't outturn it.
But with the rocket planes, the vast majority of regular jets can't outturn but also can't outrun it. It's like a Spitfire that has the speed of a P-47. Are there a handful of planes that are faster or more agile? Sure, but almost all of the rest are incapable of dogfighting it, and incapable of outrunning it.
Lol, what early jet can out turn this thing? The rudder doubles as an air brake and they have an instant energy button
@@no-legjohnny3691actually it's easy to outrun the 163, most smart comet pilots wont waste fuel chasing a jet that's already got speed
the chat at @12:00 :D holy cow!
When you were talking about how the rocket fuel is dense, I was expecing the "your moder" joke, but it never came. :(
I'm pretty sure the thrust to fuel consumption curve on rocket planes is way off at low throttle positions, fixing that might offset the balance.
Rocket planes shouldn't be able to throttle. Realistically they should have only an on/off switch because they didn't get "throttles" until the 1950's, and even then they weren't true throttles
@@fate3071didn’t the 163 have an adjustable throttle (although I think it actually burnt more fuel on lower thrust somehow?)
@widewan7585 no, the closest thing to a rocket engine with a throttle ever made was an experimental plane in the 1950's that has so many separate engines that it would ignite/shut off individual ones to adjust thrust
@@fate3071 I hate to say you're wrong, unless my sources are wrong, the HKW 509A rocket engine on the Komet B had a 2 setting turbopump and a mechanical throttle, which provided overall 4 power settings. And correctly so the fuel efficiency of the engine was worse on the lower settings, which doesn't mean the range was worse on low power, but less overall thrust was achieved for the equivalent fuel do to the nozzle being optimized for full power.
"He almost hit the first tower, and I almost hit the second tower"
I have about a 4 K/D in the Ki-200 in RB, but the Me163 is so much fun in its own right at the BR it's in. Both are great planes
Fuel: Leak
Pilot: 💀
“If you run into an F-104, you’re going to have some problems!” I should hope so!
Me163 should not run into F-104 and planes like that. That's so stupid in War Thunder. WWII planes against cold war jets.
I've never played this even though I've near all the German Air tree. I did get a free talisman for this so maybe might give it a go.
It's so much fun, you won't regret it
Rounds take 3-5 business days to reach the target. I love this jet though, so much.
It would be interesting if they made it very prone to exploding and catching fire. For some reason, the in-game damage model is rather robust, making a plane that is already hard to catch equally hard to kill.
True the actual damage model is normal but it’s ability to wing rip might make up for that. Otherwise the 163 DID actually used to explode on takeoff cause the runways were so bouncy you’d just jump into the air and crash back down dying instantly, it drove me mad 😂😂😂
VERY HONORABLE plane
(those who know will know)
Very honourable indeed
Same loop with some of the F104s... cool planes, not particular fun to fly or fly against.
12:01 dude the question in the chat 💀
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Ayo DEFYN it's fulldanad the La-200 that was on all your replay😅 It was really a pleasure to play with you and btw your video is AWESOME and very interesting keep going. Also thank you for posting those clips I thought you would forget me...💔😅.
Nice gameplay and evaluation. Personally it's still the most interesting plane to fly =)
I was last man standing in a 1v6 in this one time I took it out to try out the new matchmaker, when I was 4 kills in they just gave up
12:00 "Your teammates will just kinda shoot through you" yeah i was seeing this in ariete when i was grinding f-104s (iam spading it now) thad my teammates will just shoot missle to guy infront of me missle 10meters away from me no problem i think once i got shoot down by missle of my friendly 💀
It's crazy how many players moan about this thing being over-tiered but every time I watch someone good playing it in a video, they're utterly clapping everyone in their path.
Another great vid
The people who complain are playing it like a jet
buff it gayjin its so weak >:)
A person who plays this game for a living and cherry picks their footage somehow makes a plane look OP? No f ing way.
Consider that it is slower than 70% of the planes when stock. It was one of the most painful grinds for me
They're clapping bad players. Back in the day, when sabres/migs were top-tier and skilled players flew them, it was very hard to kill anything in the 163
Another day where the old man uploads a video what a time to be alive
Oh hey! Its warsix! A good friend of mine, we used to play like 30 hours a week, He was happy you complimented him :)
Why are YOU here?
Looks like the best fit for you at this BR. Very enjoyable. Like my tough French father said (being a prolific resistance fighter) "I hated nazis but i loved their mechanics". Cheers!
it's the video he was making with his feet on his floor computer
yeah starter jets are a funny br right now, so many people will literally turn/stall directly in front of you, they literally could not try harder to get killed by you
Days passed without a 9/11 joke made on city: 0
German engineering at its finest.
Irl they really just would blow up lol
They lost a lot of their superstar pilots having them test fly this thing. It hurt the germans more than it helped
In reality if you had leak in this rat your pilot slowly evaporates😂
Humble request to re-review the Mirage-2000D-R1 now that it has a gunpod and can actually be played like a fighter. (And Magic-2s have been buffed!)
Defyn why don't you have a video on the spitfire mk24 i'd love to see it
flying death trap
Once had one of these little bastards miss so many passes on my F2H that he gave up and J'd out. That's the way handcrushed planes teach you to play, I guess.
Hey DEFYN I'm hopping that you can make a video about the f9f2 again bc you made a video about it but it was 5 years ago and I would thank you for it
Welcome ❤
*Sad Japanese version sounds
I love how war thunder reddit consider this thing as over br ? It is literally broken OP plane that can only be countered by running away.
I got myself a La 200 and i been an absolute monster in every game, it's extremely fast and climbs very fast and retains it's speed even in a completely vertical climb and i been destroying everyone i catched, then this bloody thing appeared 😂
I watch your videos all the time and just realised I'm not subbed. Well that's changed now. Keep it up love the videos your a god.
bro you are very skill full
One of the things I don't understand in WT is why they made this plane so completely unrealistic if compared to the actual Me-163. The real plane was indeed very fast and could get close to Mach 1 on a dive, but this was its biggest problem, it was so fast pilots couldn't properly aim on their targets, bomber gunners used to say that they were the easiest plan to hit, because you just needed to fire in their general direction, and they would fly directly on the spray of bullets and either be badly damaged or killed, mix this with Tha fact that most Me-163 that survived any encounter with the enemy would likely to die on landing, one can understand rstand why there were almost no working plane left when the allies took down the nazis.
10:11 NAHHH
Downside is you have to grind through the me 262’s if you are free to play
10:13
Almsot recreated a certain historical event there, careful defyn.
in practice, this jet is one of the saddest experiences ever - remember this guy is actually really good at this game, most of us aren't half as good
classic troll plane. They should nerf its fuel consumption and make it explode when its fuel tanks get hit. Wont be nearly as op then
Tbh this thing handles like a mig15 but with 3 seconds of fuel😂
I am scared to play jets bc smigol likes to play this
nice shlappin
Just finished researching it
asmr :DDDDD
rats?
do you know what they do?
they drive me...
crazy? I was crazy once.
They put me in a room.
A room full of rats.
Rats make me crazy.
Crazy? I was crazy once.
They put me in a room.
A room full of rats.
Rats make me crazy.
I am a tiny jet boi ❤
Defyn can you play saab 105 with only 1 gun pod, it’s one of my fav flight models in the game
I just made a video on this thing, never had so much fun with WT in a looonnngggg time. 3 aces in 2 days
WW2 STUFF WOOOOH
the only plane i have confidence 1v1ing a 163 is the Mk6 Canberra
Tiny jet boi
according to reddit, this plane should be 6.3 max because "historical matchmaking"
Historical match making would be something else for Germany. I pretty much played Germany in the beginning just because of that…. Then I realized it wasn’t that way
yes please let me get a 14 kill game
@@smigoltimeHistoricaly if u would have leak in it instant pilot kill😂
@@kwestionariusz1 Love the idea of "pilot melted due to fuel leak"
If that’s the case to make it “ historically, accurate” fix the rocket motor so it’s either full on or full off no in between
Hey, may I ask what's your gun convergence setting for the MK108s?
Guys, he almost hit the second tower… 10:15
Noice
I find the Vampire to be able to compete with a 163 if played perfectly, you have to use flaps but I have out dogfought 163s in the past
If the 163 is terrible and you make 0 mistakes yes its not upon you to win
Its upon him to lose
Can you do the f80 again please I’m grinding it currently and I’m in 7000 in det
I hope you consider it
Could you do a kikka video?
Pleaseee can you fly again the mig-15bis or maybe not again cause you flew the russian one like 2 years ago. I just really wanna see the subtle changes (if they have) to the gameplay. P.S I just bought it so no clue how to fly cold war jets(first one)
I've never flown this plane I've been playing for about 11 years and still are on prop planes war thunder makes it impossible to get new vehicles unless you spend thousands
Dear sky God can you make a video on the swedish top tier viggen pls
gg 100k
"Rather mediocre, C2B" bro is starting beef with a cult
Half the cult is in my friendlist and they all agree so lmao
@@DEFYN I am currently eating dinner, save your cope for some other time, no cap!
good vid
So the other day I SOMEHOW managed to beat a 163 in a dog-fight... w/ an F3D-1. I think I only won because I managed to hit it w/ 1 or 2 20mils though it didn't seem like they did very much damage... it 100% shoulda won though because c'mon, it's a god-damn komet
Dude is so good hahah
Late Q&A: tompouce or crompouce
which belts you using
defyn i will touch you
i cant tell you the number of people per match that just go directly into the defended airfield's anti air and just melt instantly
its not just one, but two or three all one after the other
its depressing and terribly predictable
I haven’t played in a while how strong is this BR AF AA right now?
Hello bro love you videos can you please make a video about f8f5
Can one of you guys give me a summary of whats changed with the game in the past year? Took a year off of playing
youll be trying and failing to chase the f1-oh four-get it's
i apologize for my terrible joke
can the same be said about Ki-200 ?
guns don't hit as hard but are easier to aim, pretty much thats all the difference + you fight at 8.7 and you're just slightly lighter than 163
@@smigoltime Thx
Serious question, is it a "pilot G" issue? I see your Me-163 taking these hard turns I don't even take in something like my Attacker, Hunter, or Harrier.
12:30 he's agreeing to the la200 right?
Dude is solid balls as always.
As an American main when I have to play against this thing I HATE it. I just got the Sabre A and I’m still 90% stock. If I see a 163 on my tail I know I’m dead and it’s so fucking annoying
Well… it’s it good or bad ?
I would like to see the La 15 please
I recently bought the Me163 and i love it. Mini nuke rounds, fast af boi and agile. The only thing that is pissing me off in that plane is wing overload crash.
just dont turn going vertical to the ground