Fender's New Amp Modeler Is Garbage
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2023
- The Fender Tone Master Pro is not good.
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As it is with creating pleasing guitar tones in a studio by micing traditional amps, dialing in ANY modeler is a bit of an art. I wasn't terribly impressed with the tones I've heard here either... but I've also seen other demos of this device, and the tones were quite good (Pete Thorn comes to mind). That tells me that like so many other things in life, it's garbage in/garbage out...
I don't believe anything coming from Pete Thorn's channel. He's the king of gear shills. With all the post processing he's doing, I'd rather watch paint dry.
@@milankotevski1663 Then may your youtube feed be filled with a limitless supply of recalcitrant tone snobs just like this guy, determined to crap all over gear that doesn't provide instant gratification right out of the box...either because they don't really know how to use it, or they just can't be bothered putting the time in. Peace!
@@notonyourlife7939interesting response to that lmao
@@milankotevski1663 so basicly you just prove that you are trash that knows nothing about audio engeneeriung studpif fuck... yes all gear need post processing.... even a full tube amp will go into a console.. mic pre... compressor... e.q etc... that is litereally how record are made... so your point is retarded. really no wonder you like this amateurish channel ... probably a retard metal playr that think he is a musician like the trash owner of this retard fuck channel
sound like i was doing at 10 years old after 4 years of guuitar... lol
lol stfu shill. no one is buying ur dumb low-iq shit @@notonyourlife7939
i was very disappointed it didnt come with a fender headstock ... how do they justify the extra 1000 bucks for this unit
Don’t know what you’re hearing but the Fender Tone Master Pro is great. Just got mine last week and been messing with it every day. The presets is straight forward and the UI on this thing is easy and fluid.
Fender Master pro IS for me thé best modeler l ever had.way better than quad cortex or Helix that I sold...no need to tweak hours to get an organic tone
I agree buddy I love mine , this review it very poor
I don't agree. Not for the money. Fractal FM9 is worth.
My impression is that the TMP is designed for gigging musicians (especially in cover bands that cover many bands/styles). It's purpose-built to go from preset to preset seamlessly (the preset spillover is super slick) through a long setlist... and you can have multiple set lists in there. The software and interface is perfectly set up for that application. I can see how it might be a bit clunky in other applications, but all those things can be fixed in firmware updates.
Doesn't sound great. When you invest a lot in a product you want to believe it was worth it. Blind tests are ideal
You young guys have such a great grasp on the tech stuff…it took me till the end of the vid to realize “ui” meant user interface…ahh, getting old sucks!!!!
Even I feel this way with a lot of stuff 15 year olds are into hahah, that out-of-touch-gap gets smaller over time
As outrageous as the price is, my jaw dropped at 3:50. Shame the Tone Master does master most tones only to be priced out of 95% of player’s budgets.
I bought a used Yamaha THR 10x for 300 bucks and I think it was money well spent…it sounds fantastic for the bedroom…does the VH sound and heavy stuff really well👍
The X model sounds better than the new THR's .
Just wanted to say your playing is always excellent, and this is coming from a 37 year old jaded guitarist.
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Your playing is so clean. Quite impressive for the length of time you've played man!
How long has he been playing?
@@jamesfindice28717 months as of yesterday
Am I the only one that thinks it sounds fine? Like at least in this demo it seems decent. Not saying it’s worth that money at all but I don’t think it’s like terrible sounding
Never said it sounds terrible. It sounds literally just *fine*.
That's the problem though, fine is 300€ territory, not 1800
I grew up and live in Corona, CA. I am a fender fan boi. But if it wasn't for my roots...idk how much love I'd have these days. It's like being in an abusive relationship.
I agree. Even usa fenders are cookie-cutter now. They'll source out bodies and necks to other companies(American at least), but it's almost like an American import. If you want a guitar entirely made by Fender then custom shops are the best bet imo... or just go Warmoth which is what I did!
I will say, They do a great job with Jackson idgaf what anyone thinks. I like shredder guitars and i think they keep it tasteful and i"m happy with how they've been keeping Jackson Relevant. The Brandon Ellis Signature alone will keep me Loyal.@@kiezersosay49
Great video. I love the duff shirt. I'm feeling really old realizing your sporting a fictional beer brand from ten years before you were born. Lol
The price tag is insane. Like , in my mind this should be $999, and I feel like fender is alienating their fan base with their price.
It should be less than half that lol. 😂😂😂
@@MashaT22 you’re right it should be a lot cheaper. I don’t think I saw one positive review this when it came out. But I wouldn’t buy one no matter how much of sale they had.
@@MashaT22No kidding. You can find a number of used Helix units for under a grand all day everyday. Fender shot themself in the foot by pricing the Tone Master the way they did.
Totally agree
Whatever
After watching the video, I totally get what kaylen is saying. I own a Fender Mustang GTX 100 and it's a decent gigging modelling amp but id definitely say its high gain sounds are alright but not completely ideal for extended range tones. From what I've heard here in this demo and some others it seems like they have either ported over some amp models or atleast stuck very close to the models on the mustang series of amps as I hear the same slightly muddy or strange top end that I found in my amp when I first got it a few years ago. Other than maybe the parallel processing options and the I/O I wouldn't say the Tone Master Pro is that great out of the box for the price compared to the GTX 100 and would probs need some tweaking with global eq settings and the like. Either way it's nice hearing some alternate opinions on the product other than purely positives. Great video as always! Keep it up!!
i used to have a mustang 3 modeling amp, it sounds very similar to this thing. i think they sound fine for what they are.
@CLIPPASCLIPS oh definitely but I don't think a £1500+ modeller should sound the same/ close to an under £500 modeller from the same brand
Wow The set up is awesome
Nice and chill vibes
This product was not rushed. There are enough amps and effects to use this at home to practice with and to gig with. Getting the customer to do updates is a brilliant business move. I am happy with the TMP. I know the updates will make it better. The accompanying FR-12 and FR-10 cabs work well with the TMP. The bass amps are coming out in the next update as has been advertised. The design is brilliant and the execution is brilliant. No company can sit and wait a year to release a product. They have already had 4 years of R&D. The successful Tone Master amps were a strong indication that the TMP was coming. You have to sell stuff to have a business. Pete Thorn demos this product the way it should be done. Complaining about presets in version 1 software is childish. Please grow up. Here is a grown up's review.
ua-cam.com/video/NMAga0D-NnE/v-deo.html
It sounds like a floor pedal Mustang GTX with maybe a slight overall mid scoop to sound bigger and a ridiculous price tag.
I’d love you to do the same video with a HX stomp, straight out the box with their presets. I’ve had both pedals and the HX stomp presets are unusable. I know you’re obviously hung up on how much this pedal is but you should have sat down for 20 minutes and made your own preset to see what the pedal has to offer. It may be a bit overpriced for what it is but the workflow is so intuitive once you get working on it. The high gain sounds may not be as good as other pedals but in my opinion the clean and crunch fender sounds are the best out there.
Just because it nearly costs more than your car doesn’t mean it’s overpriced, it just means you have a crappy car 😂
All your sounds on this video sounded awesome BTW so well done for making yourself look a dick 👍
Ok
Wait this guy just skimmed through factory presets and trashed the unit? Lol what? I didn't watch the video yet and now probably won't. My granny could make better review than that
@@rejuvenator8966 I've watched it, and You're right, no need to watch it anyway, He doesn't know how to Dial it. It's like a Kid who don't know how to ride a car, and talk bad about Ferrari. 😊
@@princewarior2554The art of dialing in a good tone on a modeler is no different than the art of dialing in a good tone when recording. It's a little bit about the EQ settings and pedals, but mostly about the cab sim, speaker model, mic and mic placement. Those factors can make or break the tone, and honestly, most of these types of units have terrible factory presets, lol. You really have to dig in and either make your own preset, or tweak the shit out of an existing preset. Having said that, I don't ever see myself spending that kind of money on the Fender Tone Master Pro. Not when you can get a Quad Cortex for the same amount of money. The QC will definitely be supported for a long time. I don't trust Fender to support this product long term, especially if it flops.
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Yup, agree..
I own QC too.. agree on that one too.. Still one of my best gear.
But I don't wanna compare TMP with any others, just talk about it self.
I've tried it and it's not a "shitty" stuff. Not as bad as this guy said.
Yea it took me a bit 5-10 minutes to tweek it to make it sounds good to me.. but still, it's worth.
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Steve Sterlacci was super critical of this unit too in a separate video. I have no idea how you managed to make this unit sound as bad as it does, but congrats lol I’ll never buy this product ever
A response (pathetic) from fender ;
"All of these comparison videos have been created using the same method. They are sending the amp models into the same 3rd party IR and this is a totally valid test.We (Fender) have already stated that (for now) this will yield less authentic results than using our factory IRs. We are already working on (and were long before these videos were posted) implementing more capabilities into our 3rd party IR block that will enable the desired results. This will also have a positive outcome when using external IRs and/or a SS power amp driving a real cabinet.Today (12/3) is literally the 2nd month post-launch for TM Pro. We have a long roadmap of updates planned that include not only new features and models but also tweaks to current features that were in the product on launch day.We (Fender) really appreciate the engagement and feedback we’ve gotten thus far and are excited to implement some of the suggestions. The best part about all products like this is the ability for continuous improvement that enhances the playing experience on all platforms. We’re excited to have you all be a part of that process.Jason S. - Product Director, Fender Amps"
so Jason is saying the engineering depth knew this pos was broken at launch. Perfect init?
Jesus lmao
Love your content. Always speaking raw truth . No need to embelish video with worda to keep the big companies happy.
What do you think about the small Laney Ironheart SLS?
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By the way, thank you for the review on the Fender tone master pro.
I was considering it but not anymore.
Love your reviews on gear!
Honestly don’t make decisions based on youtuber opinions, go play one they are good and a lot of fun
Was skeptical of this compared to other amp sims the moment it was anounced. Like you said, the target market doesn't make sense unless you're a die-hard fender fanboy with too much money
You should cover the cons of all guitar products. You know, since 99.999999% of all other "reviews" on UA-cam already cover the pros because......coincidentally.....they're all paid sponsorships.
I do when I see em. A lot of stuff is genuinely good hahah.
I also take money for videos sometimes, but only for the stuff I'd review positively anyway.
For the negative reviews you gotta govrogue hahah
Gibson legal team just sent a cease and desist for your repeated use of the word "Authentic".
Beautiful guitar. I got a Forum Custom recently. Fantastic instrument.
For another take on the Tone Master Pro watch the UA-cam video by Pete Thorn. Title: Fender Tone Master Pro - I put it to the test!
Pete used the computer software that comes with the Tone Master to set up sounds. That looks pretty good. Pete liked the user interface.
Lots of opinions on this product. I have other things that are also considered to be too expensive such as analog synthesizers and a Walrus Meraki delay. I am doomed. Ha.
My prediction is that Fender will have updates for the Tone Master Pro around the time of NAMM 2024. We shall see.
Look at the comparison between Kemper, Headrush, Helix, Quad Cortex and Fender Tonemaster Pro from Andertons; the speed comparison from 1:38:30 to 1:45:55 shows that the Tonemaster is everytime in the top of the line. I´m since 2012 Kemper user, but now I´m changing to the Tonemaster because of the top UI (including Song-List and Setlist- a very useful feature!). Yes, you have to midify the presets with Rock amps, but this was the same at Kemper an Quad Cortex, i tested before. And it is very important to use the right activ-Box with the Modeler/Profiler. Fender has developed the Tonemaster 1x12 or 1x10 Cab for the Tonemaster Pro and this is sounding very very good together. And the box has a very deep active EQ. Keep on rocking!
The eyebrow raise every time you hit the pinch’s playing Laid To Rest at the start are classic
Absolutely unavoidable hahah
A Line6 Pod Go is worth its price, but the Fender is too expensive and I don't hear it sounding better. And I can't care about more features when I don't use them.
sounds really good from sitting where i am, authentic as.
What is the intro riff?
Fender tone master is not for Metal , shredded, to be honest
This review is not good. It's making an assessment based on subjective opinion of the loaded presets without considering the possibility of the almost infinite adjustments you can make to the presets. Do you adjust your tube amp knobs depending on where you are and what guitar you are playing and how you feel that day? Do you adjust your effect pedals? Do you adjust how you mic your cabinets? Of course, you do. Then why would you expect the presets on the TMP to not need any adjusting? The beauty of the TMP is you can adjust it to anything you want. The presets are just a starting point. I own the TMP with the FR-12 speaker and could not be happier. The tones you can get from this thing are crazy good and the user interface is so simple. This review was very kneejerk without a lot of thought. Just not a good review.
Guess it depends on what sounds you like. Fender Tone Master amps get good reviews for their Fender sounds. Could be great for people that like Princeton and Deluxe Reverbs and Bassman amps. A lot of Fender sounds in one pedal. Could use good 50's tweed amp models. I really like my Swart STR-Tweed and Tungsten amps.
People don't like the price because they can't afford it. I understand that. I have several vintage Martin guitars that cost me way more than $2K. But I don't have a $50K 1920''s 00-45. I would like to have one. But I won't complain about the price.
I bought a Universal Audio OX a long time ago. All kinds of people complaining about its price. Guess what? It sounds fantastic with real tube amp heads.
I have a Fender Tone Master Pro, Line 6 Helix LT and Kemper Stage. I am lucky. I get to try the best of each of them.
Fender is going to be updating the Tone Master Pro. It has enough processing power and knobs for them to do a lot with it.
Yeah, the UA Ox is good.
If Fender now came along and sold a far inferior, unfinished version of the UA ox for MORE money, that would suck.
Especially if it achieved results you could get out of an $80 plugin.
A lot will depend on whether Fender invested enough in the processing power for the Tone Master Pro. If they did, then they have a platform that can evolve into something that might satisfy you one day. It does have decent knobs and buttons to go with a strong processor. I think we should know more about this when the 2024 NAMM show happens. A lot of people these days don't know what it takes to build modeling software and a good UI. It really is quite a technology feat that is taken for granted. I would guess most people don't know what C++ is. There is a perception that software is easy to make and should be cheap or free.
To me it sounded very good, but what do i know, i use a zoom g3nx. The great playing might have obscured the "bad" sound. 😊
The thing that I don’t like about these types of amp sims is that it’s really a half measure. Ultimately if you’re going to use an amp sim I think a better form factor is a MacBook Pro with an interface, and a midi controller for the floor pedals.
The reason why is because if you’re going amp sim, you should want full control of the software. The floor modelers put the computer in the midi controller and you can’t change software streams, you’re stuck with what Fender gives you for software, or rather what software addons fender wants to sell you, because I think this is their ultimate game plan. They lock you into the fender software stream.
If you spend the money on a computer, you have potential to change streams if you want to. Gigs you say? I don’t see any thing wrong with bringing your MacBook with a midi controller and an interface. It’s not sexy but guess what, the audience doesn’t care. They don’t. Only you care.
Not to mention the fact that for two grand you can get a laptop with amazing specs, a nice versatile plugin that does everything the TMP does, AND have money left over.
THAT was my point. But people are misunderstanding it.
@@sixstringtv1 Ive got Amplitube 5 and the Guitar sim in Komplete 14 and I have to say that there is no substitute for a real amp, but in studio production its crazy how much customization is available. I doubt the Fender stuff is going to hold a candle to what comes next. Its going to be integrated AI where you just play an mp3 and it matches the sound. I think sinking money into non-fluid platforms is a huge mistake.
Is this the tone we are hearing you're getting straight out the box or are you double tracking / process editing and in a acoustic treated room????
It's the TMP into an interface. Acoustic treatment hardly matters there
@@sixstringtv1 Huh.. i have AXE FX3 IN a non treated room n it sounds like SHIT.. i get better tone from Bias fx 2
Hey, big fan of your incredible tone-deafness! It takes a special talent to miss the brilliance of the Fender Tone Master Pro. Maybe your ears need a firmware update, or perhaps you're just stuck in the Stone Age of gear. Keep rocking that outdated sound!
This wins the internet dude. Brilliant reply to a ridiculous clickbate video. This guy is a total joke.
Keep being a Fender butt boy!😂 That thing doesn't sound great. Fender's gain stages have always blown goats.
As a guy with both modelers and amps, modelers sound good for like $100 plugins but $2000 for the same or worse sound from fender is the kinda not great part. Wonderful for gigs, awful for playing for fun.
The way amp simulators are going. for that price I'd expect more features...
I have been using the headrush mx5 for maybe a year and loved it so I actually just got the core delivered. I'm not a professional musician but just the look and the price and the specs of the fender unit just seemed overpriced,underfeatured, and unattractive.
Im glad you reviewed this, everyone else was singing its praises when it was first released
I waited it out cause UA-cam was so oversaturated with reviews for a while that this would've likely gone under
@@sixstringtv1 this is such bs and clickbait with BAD in red capitals, its not perfect but for many people its pretty good
It's not good for anybody if you can get BETTER tones for under 500€ (e.g. IK Multimedia ToneX) and this thing costs nearly 4x as much. That's ridiculous. If this thing didn't have "Fender" plastered all over it you'd be dismissing it just like I am
I own it and I think its decent and yes with a particularly good set of modelled fender amps in it. The UI is amazing , dismissing the whole unit as bad is absurd, its early in its product life and still is pretty groundbreaking compared to the competition for its UI alone . But what do I know, I’m just a consumer without an agenda
You're acting like I have an agenda saying this product is *bad* lmao.
How is this thing groundbreaking, everything it has the Quad Cortex has had for years except cheaper and better sounding. I say this as someone who wouldnt touch a Quad Cortex with a ten foot pole either
No one’s making anyone but anything. All these broke and hurt people talkin shit. Don’t like it then Don’t buy it. 😂😂😂
I am a big fan of the idea with the foot-switches that are actual knobs
But not at that price point. I'll stick to my MX5
I have 3 Fender mustang amps, 3 different generations - All had their software discontinued - Cheers Fender 😎🍻
Not much faith in Fender Re product support. I gig an HX Stomp XL, the Helix ecosystem has been constantly updated for almost 15 years now.
Thanks for reading - don't buy a 2nd hand toothbrush #LearnedTheHardWay
The End. 🙏
Thank You for the video. I bought this with the hope it would solve a lot of recording problems, Living in an Apartment etc. The presets are terrible, Not sure who they hire to put them together but they suck. So now I have the Kemper and Tone Pro and I hope to get what I need out of them but it looks doubtful
What speaker/amp are you playing through???
What amp?? This thing is the amp
@@sixstringtv1 are you playing through a FRFR speaker or are you feeding into an amp or are you recording directly into a computer? Just curious? I have a TMP and it’s terrible going through a tube amp. I bought a JBL partybox and I have it dialed in really close. Having the right speaker makes all the difference. However I will never give up my tube amps!
@robmcdaniel2452 Why would you run a TMP through an amp? It IS the amp. Its running straight into an interface, like it's supposed to
@@sixstringtv1 sorry my definition of an amp is what powers the speakers in a cabinet. The TMP is an amp modeler and does not power a speaker cabinet. Anyway I believe if you played it through a FRFR speaker or a PA or a JBL partybox you might hear a significant difference. I get that if you’re recording directly into a computer it probably is garbage. I tried it through my H&K Triamp and almost got rid of it immediately but this is NOT meant to be ran through a tube amp. Anyway I’m sorry you find it to be terrible. I honestly thought it was bad until I tried a better suited speaker system.
Pete Thorne made it sound great, just saying. Ive gigged with mine for a full month, and it sounds great. Presets are never really great. You gotta take the time to dial in.
Pete Thorne is fantastic, he could play through one of those 9V Marshall toy amps and I wouldn't give a shit cause of how good he is.
But this thing isn't for Pete Thorne, it's for regular people. And it doesn't lose that synthetic tone regardless of how much you tweak it. In a gig setting it doesn't matter much but I'd switch to playing bass before sitting at home and playing with this thing
Very happy with mine.
I really like your playing and that`s a very beautiful guitar. Well done.
Yeah, I commented the same thing when this came out and everybody seemed to be impressed. It just doesn't sound good to me, I haven't heard a single tone that justifies the price point.
This review is not good. It's making an assessment based on subjective opinion of the loaded presets without considering the possibility of the almost infinite adjustments you can make to the presets. Do you adjust your tube amp knobs depending on where you are and what guitar you are playing and how you feel that day? Do you adjust your effect pedals? Do you adjust how you mic your cabinets? Of course, you do. Then why would you expect the presets on the TMP to not need any adjusting? The beauty of the TMP is you can adjust it to anything you want. The presets are just a starting point. I own the TMP with the FR-12 speaker and could not be happier. The tones you can get from this thing are crazy good and the user interface is so simple. This review was very kneejerk without a lot of thought. Just not a good review.
@@dv8322 My dude, I have heard many reviews of this modeler and I'm just not impressed. I can get tones that are just as good out of my significantly cheaper old Headrush Board.
As an older gigging musician without a road crew, this is a great tool especially when you don't have to carry around a large amp. Playing cover songs from many decades - this is very versatile with some tweaking, that is.
I’m curious as what were you playing this through. It sounds like a preamp/speaker emulation going into the front end of a real amp.
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It was the TMP into an interface
@@sixstringtv1 Okay, thanks very much for your response.
Didn’t sound like it was direct into an interface … it sounded like he used a crappy speaker and then recorded the crappy mid range speaker with a bad mic.
So much for the quality of the unit then huh?
@@sixstringtv1 just sounds like you didnt record it properly… either your interface is shit… or you purposely recorded shit to get views. It’s ok tho… we see you.
BOSS IR-2 is 200 bucks, and ToneX which is more powerful is only 400 bucks. You don't need to break the bank anymore. This is coming from someone who loves Access/Kemper
I love the ToneX. That'd be my unit of choice for gigs
At a significantly lower price point (i.e. without the $700 premium for the Fender brand name) this might have been an interesting choice for those looking to get into the digital modeling world. But at the price they’re asking, it feels more like a product that we will see the major retailers blowing out for 50% off in about two years. Perhaps a “wait and see” approach would be the best option if you’re considering buying this unit. Fender has a habit of quickly abandoning product lines that aren’t immediate hits in the marketplace. Remember the Mustang Amps/Fender Fuse software? The Bassbreaker amps? All those solid state amps of the 80’s. No, I mean the 90’s, no wait, the 2000’s…..etc.
When they released the Bassman bass amps in the 00s I instantly knew they were a bad idea.
The original Bassman is best known for use as a guitar amp, so it’s bad marketing in two ways. Bass players might think it’s a guitar amp, and guitar players will just get confused because they’re guitar players. They also sounded like shit and had bad build quality. May as well have gotten a Peavey. TKO. They sounded like shit, too, but at the time Peavey stuff was still rock-solid.
There is no reason why Fender should be able to charge a premium for their name. Their beancounters prevent the use of decent quality components. As an example just look at their hotrod and reissue amps that are built using cheap components (condensers in particular) cutting the amps lifetime to 1/3 of what it should be. The cost of replacing those is huge compared to the few bucks it would cost to have the amps built with quality components in the first place. Custom shop and masterbuilt guitars are currently the only decent quality products from Fender, but those are seriously overpriced.
I just got it last night and spent about 90 minutes with it. Part of it was updating, then using presets, and then building an effects only chain. First impression is like every amp modeler, modeling blows compared to a real amp. Will it matter in the mix? I hardly think so. I plan on using it in a 4 cable config with my 5150, mostly for the effects. With no manual it was still incredibly intuitive, with a great ui. I’m not a fender fanboy, I only own a Strat at this point.
What I can say with certainty is some guitars sound better than others. Tried a kiesel Zeus with fishmans. It was fine. Plugged in the berg with suhr pickups and it was beautiful.
There’s way more than just choosing a preset and go. Presets are usually ass. I use several nDSP plugins and digital is digital.
It’s a tool. A set of tools. That’s it. The helix and head rush both sound way worse. I also have a wall full of pedals I can use with the tmp. Not sure what you expected other than a more affordable price. Nothing is cheap these days.
One thing that seems to be the theme throughout the video that seems to differentiate people who like amp sims and who don't.
You keep talking about how now authetntic they are as if the authenticity was the defining factor whether something sounds good.
You could emulate vety authentically a crap tone, and you could have an absolutely amazing tone that dies not authentically replicate what it was inspired with/based on at all.
Now, the above is not a comment on the unit itself. I have no idea whether it sounds good or not IRL. On recordings it just sounds as "good" as any other real amp or or modern modeller, cause it's mainly the matter of mixing and mastering whether something sounds good in a recording. Question is how much more effort it will require to make this unit sound good in a mix compared to real amps. And of course there's the question of how good it sounds IRL. I do not have answers to that at all.
I just wanted to comment on this observation I had how people disliking modellers keep talking about their authenticity or a lack thereof, where it's very rare to hear anything about it from the enthusiasts, they will rather focus on expressing whether they just like the tone as it is and start comparing different units in terms of how hard or easy it is to make them sit well in a mix, etc.
Just food for thought.
Is that a Framus you are playing?
But CAN IT DOOM?!?.
It's like you said, the tones aren't bad, but when you hear the price tag, they are. 😂😂😂 I paid 500e for my helix stomp. I only use a few effects and split the signal so only the highs get distorted (bass player, you lose all the bottom end otherwise). For what I paid, I'm over the moon. If I had to pay 2k for it though, it then doesn't hold up the same way. 😂😂😂😂
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@@sixstringtv1 Thanks! I will check that out
as a helix user i can hear what i could do to easily improve the tone in about 2 minutes.
Just a reminder that presets are going to suck, but there are always different reasons for that. With the HX Stomp the presets are ass but you can hear the quality in the amps and effects, which is the thing that makes you explore the UI and make better patches and I don’t hear that with the TMP (and other modelers like the head rush). Nothing I’ve heard really makes me want to explore and make something better in the way I would a HX stomp or would like to do with a FM9 or a QC.
Got banned from the reddit guitar sub for criticism of this giant pos fender put out. Then guitar players want to be trusted lol. A dev in there actually maintained that customers are beta testers, even if the software is pro audio. We truly live in clown world now.
LMAOOO no way 💀
Absolute clown shit
That sub is notoriously biased and lame, but that’s Reddit in a nutshell. Any sub that’s that big becomes an opinionated echo chamber.
@@diabeticmonkey Reddit is a complete joke .
Most subs are hiveminds that don’t like dissent. I hate Reddit.
Bro what kinda guitar is that ? Looking Amazing ! But what's your actual opinion of it ?
It's a Fame Forum IV, I've made an entire video on these! Amazing.
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Looks very similar to a PRS. But wow ! The finish looks absolutely Amazing !
To me, Fender has never struck me as the 'go to' metal gear anyway. I don't know much about metal, so I might be wrong!
I agree. Rock, blues, jazz, country, but metal... not so much.
Very nice Fame Forum!
They should have called it the Thin Master, none of those tones have any balls
I owned a Boss GT-1000 Core for a short while. It’s very nice, but the manual says it’s intentionally limited so their other pedals are better than any single part of it (aside maybe all the amp stuff), and a GT-1 sounds maybe 20% worse? If that.
It doesn’t sound as authentic, but the 1000 sounded passably authentic with tweaking, but it sounded best when treated as a multieffects unit, not a modeller.
I got a GT-1 pocket for practice and testing basic ideas for tones, but I moved to pedals and old rack gear.
The GT-1 is fine, and probably overpriced when compared to a GP-200. I plan on getting a GP-200, actually, but only because I need a midi controller, drop-tuner, and splitter. It has deep midi control, a usable drop-tuner (it’s for Deadsy songs. It doesn’t need to sound normal) and 4 outputs, not including headphones.
With digital things I don’t think it makes sense to try to make them sound ”real”. Just treat them like an effects unit and make them go insane.
The Boss COSM stuff always sounds about the same, and always has, but if you crank the gain (all the gain controls on COSM stuff goes to like 160% of the original, in case you wanted to make a tube screamer into a fuzz) and EQ the shit out of it it can sound COOL.
Headphone amp or special effect, don’t spend more than 300usd.
Why do you play all your riffs faster than they were originally recorded?
I own Zero Moddeling Units, I Had a Pod Go, Same sounds as the helix! Too Much Tweaking to make it sound good. The Amp Models are not accuarte to the real deal.
Real Amps you turn on plug it in, turn three or 4 dials quickly you sound great. Moddlers all of them too much fiddling. If I did get one probably go with a Quad Cortex (or a fractal but the fractal has too many options and deep diving). The Tone Master Pro will out do line 6 with updates and it's easier to use.
I don't want to have to load an amp block, do high and low cuts, add an EQ. Tweak Tweak Tweak. by the time I'm done the inspiration I had is gone and 3 hours is gone.
Line 6 sucks!!
I sold the Pod GO.
Helix Never for me EVER!!
Sounds ok to me... Of course it doesnt sound like amp im the room though, modelers never do, closer to recorded tones
Yeah but would you spend nearly 2 grand on "ok"?
The whole point of any modeler is to create recorded tones... that is the sole reason for their existence, lol.
@@sixstringtv1 yeah the price is super high
the factory presets in any multi effects are are always shit, you have to build what you like from the ground up, i wouldnt touch this thing because it has no expression pedal and its too expensive, my gt1000 is just as good. i wanted something small recently and bought a headrush mx5, again the factory presets are terrible, but a few days later i had built the rigs i need for a live show from the ground up, the ac30 sim is surprisingly good and for a small time bar musician like me i can just turn up plug into their PA and go for it
7:53 SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAYERRRRRRRRR
MY Samsung Smart Fridge sounds TITS! Especially with pinch harmonics and tapping. She really likes tapping though.
LOL don't get caught up in that cost trap, folks got a lot of Quid nowadays, especially in America where Fender focused the Pro and the build QUALITY feels like old American quality , those potentiometer knobs the GOAT
Anyone who has actually played this one knows how much better , out of the box, its sounds than helix or headrush, fractal or QC. Its still a digital board with some of the ongoing processed sound on especially higher gain models. But it is in the right direction. You should be able to use it just like you would an amp or pedal which this strives to do. The goal is to be able to use it through any amp or frfr and not spend hours trying to get the shrill our of it. This is closer to that benchmark
Axefx is still the best option. Sounds better and reacts better than the vast majority. I’ve owned them all.
How on earth does a company with unlimited resources mess this up so badly at a time when amazing digital gear is available for reasonable prices?
I’m old and a tube snob but I will try new things. So far still playing tubes (valves for you Brits)
Peace
They haven’t messed anything up
It currently holds its own against the competition straight out of the box and will only get better with time
It sounds amazing if you spend a few minutes tweaking
Take the clickbait hate with a grain of salt
It doesn't hold its owm against anything lmao, Quad Cortex is 10x better than this
@@sixstringtv1 yes that seems to be your incredibly persistent opinion
Yep! everyone is individual and perfectly entitled to their opinion, me too, you made it sound very miffed only....no wonder methinks
I’ll probably use my Kemper for rest of my life . I also run a helix parallel but only 4CM and for it’s effects
I think you're observation as to who the buyer is correct. I think fender should've tried making a more affordable version as opposed to competeting directly with Neurasl DSP, Kemper, AXE Fx ect. Those have already established customer bases and their own unique features that help differentiate them in the market and have earned consumer trust. Fender just isn't offering anything unique enough to differentiate themselves. If they had tried to make a $1000 unit then I think they could've found a wider appeal because then their name would act as a sort of security blanket. You could get something like a Kemper or Quad Quartex but have some insurance that you were still getting a quality product since it had the fender name. The only advantage I can see for fenders unit is that they can license their amps. But almost everyone either owns a fender amp or has a amp sim of classic fender amps. There's no scarcity for them to leverage. There's a reason why Neural DSP went to fortin amps. Most players don't have access to a fortin amp for better or worse and thus a 100 dollar plug in became a great alternative. Similarly their archetype series were great because they targeted modern unique players so they had a natural selling point with younger consumers. I love the fact I can load in a plini preset instead spending 5 hours tweaking a generic amp sim to try and capture something that sounds like the lead tone from Handmade cities. Oh and then when I look through the presets I can find presets made by Tosin Abasi or Rabea Massad or Michael Dawes or Forrester Savall or Nolly. Not only do I get a product associated with one artist but basically every artist and producer that's had an influence on me over the last 5 years. Fender currently has no appeal to market with this unit
You've got to admit, it's ironic Fender has a model of the Mesa Mark series in there.
I've been digging the outfits lately!
Link and 20% discount code is in the description if you want some 😂
That sounds awesome and it`s 100% not garbage .
I can get these sounds with $80 software, how is a $2000 unit that does the same thing NOT trash?
@@sixstringtv1 You know your things - I just liked the sound ;)
@@sixstringtv1 so you don’t count audio interface + good pc for low latency.
Don't need a good PC, I used the crappiest 300€ lenovo laptop for the longest time and got great results.
Plus, to record this thing you still need an interface and a computer, so moot point. Next
@@sixstringtv1 tmp can be used as audio interface btw
since all i ever cared for fender was the precision bassi own (wich is not much of care at all, i play it once every 2 years maybe).. i like the design. that's it, i like the design :D i'd rather go get a quad cortex or a kemper and get a lot better sound.
I bought it and love it so far, the amps are more than enough and infinitely shapeable, if you know what you're doing, this thing can sound as good as the kemper, i have both and played gigs with both and the UI is far superior to any other modeler, but each his own i guess :)
I love Fractal , Quad and Helix , but Fender did a good job with this , it’s a great piece of gear , I doesn’t have to be sophisticated , it sounds good and is easy to use , maybe it’s not metal heads but suits plenty of other styles
In a world where they HX stomp is $650 ( $750 for the XL) there is no way in hell 99% of guitarists need to be spending 1600+ for a modeler.
This seems like a weird half baked review. The user interface is actually the most intuitive of any modeler I have seen plus everything you were playing straight out of the generic stock presets sounded pretty good. I feel like you just sat down for 10seconds and I feel you were already gonna say it’s crap before you even sat down. And at the end you say how intuitive it is and in the same breath that the UI is crap. It’s totally drag and drop? Super easy visual display
The hardware part is definitely killer. Like the fact that you actually see what the individual knobs do unlike on a quad cortex which just has little green LEDs.
The software I don't love, and the sounds are not worth 2 grand. I can get those tones with Bias FX for 80 bucks
Its a shame it's not great, this could have a ton of potential. I'm eager to see if they release a V2 in a year or so and how much better that might be
There won't be any "V2" anytime soon this will be updated via software for a very long time, like all other digital pedalboards, for example the current Line6 Helix are 10 years old.
For the size and cost of that thing, you may as well just use a laptop. The cleans aren’t bad but they do really have a “polished” fake sound. Pleasant to hear after post production, probably not to play. Fender did solid state really well at the turn of the century, but they don’t have the DSP game of the current modelers. Fender never did DSP well to my ears. Making an edit to add that I feel like fender could have reached out to line 6 or Neural, to do licensing and have exclusive releases. They could have been way cheaper, and probably sold better 🤷🏻♂️ oh the hubris of “legacy” also it sounds like your cab IR is switched off in the entire last bit after the outro lol
Can't judge the Tone Master but modelers in general, well, I don't think they're bad per se. But I run my HX Stomp XL into the power amp of my Orange head with a proper Orange cab plus I hooked up several analogue pedals making 10.3000.0800.70 effect combinations possible. So, in general, I don't think all modelers are bad, it's more a matter of how you use them in your rig.
I like the HX stomp. That or the ToneX would probably be my choice if I played gigs. This thing belongs in the bin though
That Fame guitar is so gorgeous
Appreciate the honesty! I had managed to A/B this with a Headrush Core at my local music store as the staff there were openly underwhelmed with the Tonemaster Pro even after spending time to dial it in (Headrush killed it really). I am sure there are some good sounds in it, but that price is just ludicrious compared to the competition.
Version one software is good enough. Version 2, 3, 4, etc. will be that much better so you can relax. The TMP is here to stay. It has made me a better guitar player because I can play night and day. At night with headphones and in the day with the superb cabs. Pete Thorn shows how good the TMP is. Listen and learn: ua-cam.com/video/NMAga0D-NnE/v-deo.html
I wouldn’t call it bad per se. The synthetic sound is due to bad speaker simulation or IRs. That makes a huge part of how modelling devices sound. It was like that in line6, fractal, qc and other devices. The price tag is hefty though.
If Gibson made an amp modeler, the top part of the case would fall off.
Is that a knock off PRS guitar with a reversed PRS headstock
1700.00 is way to much for that some seem to love it,I own a Marshall code 100 head which i got very cheap from Sweetwater ! I dont need another modeling amp its plenty loud with a 4X12 i have tube heads as well so u cant beat the sound of a nice warmed up tube head .This fender ls cheap looking the Donner arena sounds just as good and its 1400.00 less😂great video !expensive is not always best these days..