The most shocking part of this is the fact that a milk man in the 60’s could afford; to get married, have a family, afford a lawyer and afford to turn down a cash settlement.
Isn't inflation such as wonderful thing? Especially, considering it's an unnecessary evil that we endure all because our nation's entire money supply is loaned to us with interest.
@@TheIndependentLens Which part? The milkman harassment accusations and the affair are historically documented. Are you saying you don’t believe the original accusations?
Meanwhile, I got kicked out of a volunteer program with the courts because the FBI agent at the courthouse heard me laugh at a dirty joke. But that man became the most prominent DA? Man just fuck the world
Just finished reading Tom O'Neill's "Chaos". One of the best books I've ever read, highly engaging. Covers a lot of ground, a lot a complexity, and a lot of twists and turns. Better that most any fiction. Highly recommended, if you plan on reading it, set aside at least two hours per reading session, you'll want keep reading until you're either done or you brain can't take in any more info. A spent about 6 hours reading today to finally finish it.
@@SmurfGoneGamer The best book that Ive read on this case...and Ive read a lot of them. Especially mind- blowing was what was actually on the tape found in the Cielo house loft
John Wahl exactly!! U can’t bend light around the silly explanation that one pristine bullet created so much damage from one lone guy who managed to change all The policies and procedures of the federal government for a day. Only to have that one guy get himself caught in a theater while escaping the single most important event in American history since Lincoln.
Absolutely. The fact that Bugliosi was compromised explains why he was chosen to author a book which simply re-stated the official position of the Warren Commission. The book was complete BS.
I’m a conspiracy theorist. However, I base my beliefs on fact, not fiction. O’Neill is just out to sell his book. Someone should ask him who was behind 9/11. Ask Rogan the same question
To be honest just the fact Jack Ruby was assigned a court ordered psychiatrist who turned out to be a CIA mind control expert and shortly afterward Ruby went absolutely fucking insane is enough to entice me down the rabbit hole. And thats only tangentially connected to Manson
I’m. A believer. Roger Smith the PO who had one client : Charlie. He worked with another Smith , David in the free clinic. Yeah... they both wrote papers on LSD, gangs and speed. The evil Sydney Gottlieb was the boss. They are both associated with Jolly West who made a crash pad in the Haight, recruited grad students to watch them and for the most part the kids smelled the rat, which Jolly lived to torment with drugs and little space. Sounds like The Haight - which was their Petri dish.mRoger Smith bailed Charlie and the girls out of many legal hassles. Charlie called him a mentor nicknaming him the name of valentines mentor in Stranger in a Strange Land. There was a study with a film by one of the smiths that was about the family and communal marriage. They have footage from the apps in Berkeley, SF, bus, Spahn, Topanga and Death Valley. You have to ask them to read papers about the group but the link wasn’t functional Alll I got was sources and a thesis. They apparently released the study in 70 or 72 and left out the part where the group massacres at least a dozen human beings. I’m not sure how people can be so dismissive when they’ve confessed to Chaos and other weird factions working illegally in the country. There are a variety of other things that are compelling as well. They’d been dosing Hookers, johns, military peons, inmates in the federal prison system--treating Americans like lab rats. So there’s reason to believe Owlsley, Leary, Garcia, and the bikers were distributing the speed and lsd to the hippies. Especially in SF during 67 when things got real dark real fast. They were definitely mixed up in the death of JFK==he was ready to shut the CIA down as they fraternize with with gangsters in mobs, gangs etc. JFK knew they were instigating shit in Vietnam, at odds with the FBI . Thought they’re amoral swine, JFK was doing that thing Charlie’s says you have to abide. . He broke his word, well Joe’s word which probably didn’t count for much but they knew the boys would answer for it if they didn’t do as agreed. Though he himself was using a Dr. Feelgood they may have sent him, JFK was too caught up in his own hype to grasp how expendable he was. I’m sure LBJ set that highly dubious route through Dalllas and Castro was all for it, but it’s clear the CIA made a Manchurian candidate or two as Jolly West sent Ruby to La la hell. When he cane to the station, Ruby was not even remotely hindered. Here’s Oswald fresh from the kill and they got no one watching the the place? They had someone on duty even during the slowest days. There’s a lot here and to make it more fishy Bug wrote a dull lone gun narrative that was like 9000 pages long. It’s obvious people want to dismiss this shit because the ramifications are terrifying. Another strange thing. Charlie’s average IQ of 110 or so as a young man went up more than 50 points while he was incarcerated . He spent two 0r so years doing th sloppy thing, now he’s discussing abstract perception of the New Testament , spewing esoteric concepts and making talk show hosts look like bullies and moron. He even makes Diane Sawyer break out in giggles at one point. With a scatological quip no less! Did I mention the miracle of the severed penis?
@@djf750 they were grooming him for a long time, instigating his move to Russia, though it’s not unlikely they identified him as a hostile communist before they summoned up the fuckery. It seems like they gravitate to paranoid lawless outlaws with higher intelligence. Charlie, Whitey Bolger, Sirhan Sirhan, maybe unibomber, Tim McVey, certainly Jim Jones. They were all over Cali in those days too.
@@djf750 jolly West, Smiths, Gottlieb maybe Reeves Whitson. Clearly you’re unaware of what Bush Sr. Inspired. Read The Way of the Knife, and you can easily connect the free clinic and the smiths to the family. There are scientific studies devoted to them by the Smiths. Immunology Marriage, the impact of LSD on family. Jollly , David and Roger were a sociologists, criminologists, shrinks who are unified by an interest i. Psychoactive substances, the way they effect people, how these folks interact in various conditions. With rodents the over crowding lead to Tarantino type total annihilation, with nothing Aline as you stared into the blood splattered habit trail. Documented experimentation using a cat house in SF, connections of Jolly West to Ruby, federal prisoners, military peons, and eventually run always who have been grow always for far too long which may be what Charlie’s disordered mission truly is, , a NY times article and vague admissions by a lot of spooks save Jolly. West who also murdered an elephant with a giant dose of LSD. He miscalculated which would happen at least one thee time. I’m thinking various recipes were tested as guys like Charlie distributed and monitored the subjects. He may have taken too long to realize he was a subject too. Why I am I wasting my energy?
LOL! Dude, no. How can you make these claims considering all of his followers, even people who thought they wanted part of the "family," but left quickly . . . What all these crazy, drugged out young people just followed along??? You do realize even the killers have stated everything with Helter Skelter is true. LOL!
@@TheIndependentLens that's not true. Sadie first interviews, kasabian, tex, all of them said copy cat murders. Only after bugliosi threatened to take kasabian kid did she start talking about helter skelter. Gypsy did interviews years later with country sue who had wrote helter skelter on the famous door and they said it was about confusion nothing else.
@@muhammadal-baghdadi9660 Steven Kay was a young deputy District Attorney when he joined Vincent Bugliosi in the courtroom as a co-prosecutor late in the trial. In his book Helter Skelter Bugliosi mentions Kay only six times, at one point to recall how the inexperienced deputy DA "intemperately" rushed from the courtroom to repeat a supposed Manson death threat to the press. Manson once remarked that Kay's real role at the trial was that "he carried Bugliosi's pencils."
Dad is listening to his daughter say her prayers before bedtime. She says - God bless mommy and god bless daddy and god bless grandma and... goodbye grandpa. He asks her - why did you say that? I don't know, I just felt like saying it. The next day, grandpa drops dead. Wow, thinks dad, that's an odd coincidence. A month later at bedtime, the daughter says - God bless mommy and daddy. And goodbye grandma. Sure enough, the next day grandma breathes her last earthly breath. The dad realizes this is more than a coincidence, but he is not sure what to do. He doesn't want to disturb his wife by telling her (Grandma and grandpa were her parents). Months go by and one night the man is listening to his daughter saying her prayers at bedtime - God bless mommy....she turns her head and looks straight at him - and goodbye daddy. What!? are you sure honey? She nods. The man's heart begins racing and he breaks out in a sweat. He is so upset, he can't sleep at all that night. The next day he goes off to work, but locks himself in his office. He takes the phone off the hook, cancels all his meetings and awaits the inevitable. He stays at work past 5 because he feels secure there. He watches the hours tick by. Finally it is midnight and, drenched in sweat, he realizes he has cheated death. He drives home drenched in sweat and with all his nerves frazzled. His wife is up and waiting for him - Where the hell were you today??! He replies - Don't shout, I've had an absolutely miserable day. His wife then says - You had a miserable day? I'm the one who had a miserable day! First, the milkman drops dead on the steps...
Holy fuck, just found out after watching this my sister's grandmother's cousin is Vincent Bugliosi, and hearing stories about my sister's father makes a shit ton more sense. Crazy abusive to my mom and absolutely fucking crazy
So, YOUR grandmothers cousin ! Do you not think your sister and you have the same grandmother ? Same father ? Is it your step sister? Are you adopted? Cmon bro some context please
@Nat Bugliosi wrote a great book Outrage on the OJ Circus and a piece of garbage Reclaiming History on JFK Assassination that was pathetic,full of Lies . and nothing but Govt. Propaganda!
@@jjjjjjjjmmmmmm5910 wow so edgy. Trump only became a monster once he removed the D and replaced it with an R. You probably think Fauci is a good guy too. Better put on two masks.
I went to school with the only Manson member to be paroled. Steve "Clem" Grogan, this was in LA in 1986, its a music school in Hollywood called Musicians Institute. Steve (Clem), was a blues guitar player and did some art work for the school, I met him in a practice room and he tried out my guitar. He kept telling me that my strings were old and needed replacing. Its was odd because he kept saying it over and over. Anyway, a friend of mine saw me in the room with him and his eyes got real wide and he briskly walked away. Later he told me that that guy was a former Manson family member. I was a big skeptic and said "no way, thats bullshit" "its probably some kind of rumor" well, he said, "thats what I thought till I went to the bookstore on the boulevard and looked at the pics in Helter Skelter!" So, on my way home I went and looked at the book. In the insert in the middle are a bunch of pics of the family and there he was, Steve Grogan staring back at me at a younger age. My heart sank. I never talked to him again. Totally true story.
when you talk to crazy people, talk to them in reality; like they're here too.. sometimes you can orient them to time and place. Most times not, and it's ok to go down the garden path with them.. it eases their anxiety and can be fun lol. Don't be so scared of each other... be more curious. Whomever told you who he was, was an idiot. Because nothing is wrong, unless someone SAYS there's something wrong. then you're in trouble. xo :*
@@keetahbrough I believe you because I've read he's been at the Musician's Institute after being paroled. THere must be many stories like your of people who played with him. There were videos of him performing onstage as late as the early 90's too
I agree, but Charlie was probably telling campfire stories that a few of these lsd addled kids bought into. Leslie thought she was growing fairy wings. Ruth Anne and Diane May have bought into it though neither admits it. Mary and Gypsy’s deep involvement with AB suggests they thought of it in a more militant concept. This is likely so with Pat, Sandy ( she’s a freaking war girl), Squeaky, Brenda, and the men-Bruce, Dennis Rice, Little Larry, TJ, and afternoon awhile Bobby spouted off some stuff that was clearly under Sandy’s influence. Fortunately he out grew that eventually. Prison has been good to him in many ways. I don’t think Sadie or Clem thought about much at all. .what I find very disturbing is how easily Bug dominated the narratives of Ed Sanders and Little Paul. Sanders goes in a wild goose chase trying to get hi== porn allegedly created by the family ( insets is best!). Turns out these film were made by the beautiful people in the canyons. They were as sexually depraved, strung out and felonious as Charlie’s tribe. They too made illegal movies, sold and ingested illicit drugs, trafficked others, got into jail bait maybe worse. They were laundering money, smuggling counter and, thwarting an investigation and recklessly carrying weapons around after the massacre.
I hardly see this guest as "fascinating" when he is bashing someone who has already passed away and cannot defend themselves. Cowardly is a more appropriate word for this guest.
I read O'Neill's book and I was very impressed that he would only go as far as the evidence took him. He found some information that implied a quite different story was what really went on with the Manson family and the murders and he told the reader that but he refused to jump headlong into advocacy for it.
@EdwardWLynn: He (O'Neill) went only so far as the evidence took him, and ended up proving nothing. Which means there was no evidence for what he was trying to prove. Bugliosi, on the other hand, presented solid credible evidence, proved his case and got the conviction.
@@stddisclaimer8020 A brain dead moron with no limbs could have convicted the Manson family. They did LITERALLY everything possible to convict themselves. So let’s not pretend he’s some genius.👍🥃
@@BillMcGirr In this case, if not others, Bugliosi can be fairly described as a genius, in getting the conviction of someone who was arguably not even at the crime scene(s). However, if a "brain-dead moron" could have done the job, if it was soo easy, then why was the Manson trial the longest murder trial in U.S. history (taking over a year)? And who can forget the OJ (criminal) trial. Beforehand, it was thought to be a slam dunk, that "even a brain dead moron" could have convicted him; yet look what happened. Memo to Mad Mick: Put a little more thought into your comments before you post them.
@@BillMcGirr Bugliosi can be fairly called a genius for securing the conviction of someone who was arguably not even at the crime scenes(s). If a "brain dead moron" could have done that job, why was the Manson trial the longest murder trial in U.S. history, lasting over one year? Let us not also forget the OJ (criminal) trial, which was considered to be such a slam dunk, even a "brain dead moron" could have convicted him, Yet look what happened. Memo to Mad Mick: Don't be so quick to comment without first thinking.
@@stddisclaimer8020 Not even close. The McMartin trial lasted 7 years. The Hillside strangler case 2 years. The Manson case wasn’t particularly hard. Not involving issues of race. OJ was equitted because his attorneys managed to secure a favorable jury ... to say the least. Not to mention his ability to afford EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE legal representation. Obviously. If Manson was wealthy I’d say it could have been a far different trial. Obviously. Bugliosi always struck me as a person with a Napoleonic complex... And of course we find out... He was also slightly psychotic. I never said he wasn’t a competent attorney. But that wasn’t really the point of this discussion was it?
I'm Joes age, I had milk delivered to my home up until the late 80's. Even our neighbors were amazed, lol. Good ole days. We always thought one of our sisters was a productive of the milk man. Jokingly of course.
Non famous too. Just anyone who stalks or hires stalkers probably. They probably frame people all sorts of things. Everyone knows everyone elses dirt and wants to appear clean themselves.
Why? This is made up. You can still talk to his followers and they will tell you about Helter Skelter. I don't get how you people can take this one person seriously when it flies in the face of decades of testimony from even the killers themselves.
@@TheIndependentLens ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING? this book is one of the best and most highly researched books with cross grids of information. did you read it?
@@TheIndependentLens You do realize most of them do not say Helter Skelter was the motive, right? They say it was an overall philosophy, a representation of “chaos in the world” that would eventually culminate in some kind of cataclysmic event like a racial war unless people returned to a more basic, “real” form of living in nature and away from “the man”. Almost everyone involved with the murders, including the infamously unreliable Sadie who initially mentioned Helter Skelter as an idea, then through the workings of the prosecution, was pushed to establish it as a motive to the grand jury to pin Manson, said Helter Skelter wasn’t a motive later on once she decided to head back to Manson’s camp, then again in the book “Goodbye Helter Skelter”. It was an idea, and the crux of it being the motive for the murders has been disavowed by almost every family member involved. The ones who do talk about it as a motive we’re people who weren’t even involved in the killings, but heard about it a lot on the commune, then later on once the trial established it as motive, simply said, “Yeah, I do remember hearing that a lot.” Most of them maintain the murders were carried out due to different reasons, through the one I hear most is due to the Gary Hinman situation and Bobby’s imprisonments. I think the reality of it is a lot less goofy or extreme than either Helter Skelter or a CIA conspiracy. If anything, it was probably some kind of drug burn considering the history of the people at Cielo Drive and the wealthy nature of the LaBiancas along with where they lived. The main man behind it more than likely being Watson & Manson considering their history with selling and purchasing drugs, and the fact the two had been to Cielo before on multiple accounts. Why do you think Tex is so adamant about not getting those tapes out? Why would the LAPD refuse to release them under FIA? Say what you will about Tom, but some of his findings have merit. Helter Skelter is a lurid horror story mostly meant to sensationalize and keep important people like Terry Melcher out.
@@negativebones1887 But they do, writing out a bunch of garbage does not make you correct, Pumpkins. Seriously stop lying. Tom O'Neil is a freaking liar and opportunist manufacturing this bogus and unimaginative cash grab for the easily led and dumb folks of society. Seriously, government/mafia coverup and you buy that mess??? LOL! Boo, I know you're soft in the head, but come on. That's not even interesting. I get in this current day ripoff society how maybe that appeals to idiotic people, but come on . . . SANDRA GOOD, LYNETTE FROMME, SUSAN ATKINS, DIANE LAKE, BOBBY BEUSOLEIL, LESLIE VAN HOUTEN, MARY BRUNNER, PATRICIA KRENWINKEL, CLEM GROGAN, DANNY DECARLO . . . ALL OF THEM! *Shut up and stop lying to save face for believing some weak piggy back on someone else's work, ripoff nonsense.* I get why you want to go out of your way to coverup for being so freaking dumb, but too bad.
@@kathrynmcelroy5658 Yes, I did and he's lying. The original book "Helter Skelter" is far more in depth and informative. It's actually the truth. Not this weak garbage. Sorry you're just as foolish. Seriously, government-mafia coverup that flies int he face of testimony for decades. Grow up, Boo! You're an embarrassment.
I have heard accounts of Bugliosi's rather skeevy behavior over the years. I find O'Neill's claims believable. What's troubling is why Bugliosi wasn't fired from the DA's office, and why wasn't he prosecuted? He clearly should have been.
Eye for an Eye makes Everyone blind. He had something on them as they had on him. Story of the world we live in now. Nobody wants to come clean and step up as it will wreck their house of cards.
All I can tell you is that in my home city, DA's are always psychotic, corrupt, predatory people. It seems to be a prerequisite for the job. Never knew a good one.
@@FleshLessOne - Makes sense that Bugliosi had dirt on others in the power structure seeing as how he was handed the most high profile case of that era after all his crazy stalker stuff was known. And that stalker stuff shows just how far he was willing to go and how dangerous he could be - a real lunatic
if you read wikipedia's description of bugliosi there's a glaring absence of his controversial past. they paint him as an award winning author, lawyer and family man. 🤔 after watching this I believe an updated version of him should
Fweg 25 Wrong? It’s badly written. He glosses over important points. He questions established objective fact, he lies and makes claims that’s are utterly ridiculous ridiculous . He. premise is less than weak. The
Joe, crazy does not mean stupid. A crazy person could produce a well written document of truths that would wrap around your brain. If they were smart/intelligent enough... you wouldn't know that they were f'ing with you. Don't underestimate crazy people.
I remember that moment when Vince flipped out on Jesse Ventura and told him to turn off the cameras. He had a hair trigger and did seem to be an unusual lawyer in that he received celebrity status from that one case and never maintained any legal standing of prominence yet he was used repeatedly to bolster a position like having him prosecute Lee Harvey Oswald in abstentia against Jerry Spence in a televised mock trial (worth watching) or of course having Vince claim authorship of the JFK book promoting the lone gunman theory.
@@andymullarx6365 no he wouldn’t waste his time with someone who would not let him give his side a proper length of time and would through out random points and would not give him time to respond. For example in the jfk episode Ventura claims to have documents that show how Oswald was a cia hit an but does he have the documents authenticated nope he just runs with them.
It was the refusal of reporter, William Farr, to testify about the sources of an article he wrote during the murder trial of Charles M. Manson that brought dismissal of perjury charges against Bugliosi.
@@Mr_Bones. not always. Could be from a lack of evidence. Plenty of times people have had cases against them dropped, or reduced, due to a lack of evidence, and Prosecutors not being able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they are Guilty. Doesn’t meant they are innocent, just means the Prosecutors wouldn’t be able to get a conviction.
Who is this hater attacking a dead man of great esteem? Bugliosi is a legend. Just stop. He was intrepid, a necessary attribute to prevail against the Manson Family, which history proved.
I read Bug’s Helter Skelter years ago as a teen. I never bought it. It’s an absurd narrative and it doesn’t surprise me a crazy person wrote it. In my mind, I always kept going back to the fact the went to Romans house. Why Roman and kill his old lady Sharon? It’s weird when you consider the sick shite Roman was in to. Did they go there to steal videos that Charlie knew Roman had made and kill them while there? Maybe snuff and kidie stuff? Maybe black mail? Charlie and the gang killed a lot more people than the two episodes they went down for. Bugliosi briefly brushes over that in book. It’s a dumb book
@@MygirlsGJPB Read his book "Chaos"… Susan Adkins had several stories and was jerked around to suit the needs of Bulgosi… She certainly is guilty but was manipulated.
@@1953childstar I do have that book on audiobook, I have to listen to it again, as I keep falling asleep! I agree that Manson himself may have had other motives, but I believe that is the story he told his followers. I don't think Bug made it up.
I loved reading Helter Skelter in 1976 I guess it was. I was age 14 or 15, and had grown up as a 7 or 8 year old hearing constantly about the Manson Murders, that's the reason I started reading the newspaper when I was age 7. I know a well written book when I read it, even from an extremely young age as an early reader. Helter Skelter made me think more and increased my brain activity and intelligence level! I loved it. Even though it's a terrible topic for a kid, I needed to know what happened and what I had lived hearing so much about. BUT I also know something that's highly promoted and touted, highly believed by mainstream culture and authorities, something so polished and accepted, is likely controlled information. I'm deeply delighted to hear the truth behind the Bugliosi story! He was a deep state operative - back in those horribly messy days.
Bugliosi was corrupt as crap. The book (and other books that are not as scrupulously cited such as Dave McGowan's work) confirms: in California, hollywierd, the cia, the music industry, the police forces are basically all the same thing. The CIA ultimately controls all of it to a tremendous extent. Parts of it are 'compartmentalized' so O'neill was able to (astutely) notice discrepancies in stories and testimony. But ultimately, the cia lies so much that there is no way to arrive at 100% truth, but (like McGowan) he lays out a ton of great information as best he can.
Um… if some weirdo shows up at your house and asks you to take a blood test to prove HIS kids are yours. You would do it? That would make you weirder than him.👍🥃
All I know is u better bring boul back next time he has a book out. This guy is like watching a old nerdy uncle who's actually super cool n lovable and has true stories u believe
I don't even understand what he's talking about. Bugliosi's milkman was his kid's real father and stole $300, and then Bugliosi had an affair, and then he violated the 1996 HIPPA act in 1966 somehow, and then he beat his mistress and got sued or almost got sued, and then Bugliosi got compromised because he listened to his boss or something, and this is somehow relevant to the Manson case? Does anyone understand this lol
Thank you. This is the flimsiest excuse for "facts" I've seen. Just "oh this guy was really crazy" and "you wouldn't believe some of the things, I'm not gonna go into it." Some guy thought someone else was his dad, aggressively pursued it, realized he was wrong...so.. the Manson case was all a big lie??
@@breakercat Well, do you understand the relevance of Bugliosi's milkman, or his mistress, or his time-traveling HIPPA act violation to the Manson case? Even if true, it seems like little more than a non sequitur.
@@brettpgh3312 You're a colossal dipshit. You're all over this comment section acting willfully ignorant of the obviously logical points this guy is making in the clip. Then pretending that the few dipshits like yourself, who couldn't follow the conversation intelligently enough to understand it, have valid arguments in their misconceptions. What a fucking tool.
Dice K My guess is that he was convinced that the milkman was banging his wife regardless of whether or not she got pregnant by him. So he got obsessed about having to get back at him. He had the means to just pay someone to go there with say a 16 mm movie camera from say across the street in a van to just catch him going entering into the house and then leaving the house maybe hour later or whatever. Or arrange to have someone put listening devices. Even if he was was afraid to Have to explain to someone at LAPD why he wanted this equipment he could’ve just paid a private eye to do it.
The most shocking part of this is the fact that a milk man in the 60’s could afford; to get married, have a family, afford a lawyer and afford to turn down a cash settlement.
That has turned out to be a utopian dream in 2023
No doubt.
Isn't inflation such as wonderful thing? Especially, considering it's an unnecessary evil that we endure all because our nation's entire money supply is loaned to us with interest.
@@iamme8770 but given to other countries
He left the Milk man job to work for McDonnell Douglas. The lawyer worked pro bono because it was against Vince
When the prosecutor in the Manson case is actually crazier than the defendant...
When the person who makes this comment is actually confused by his asshole and a hole in the ground ...
You don't actually believe this I hope????
It appears you ruffled some feathers. From these accounts you're right but some have blinders on.
The Milkman Murders
@@TheIndependentLens Which part? The milkman harassment accusations and the affair are historically documented. Are you saying you don’t believe the original accusations?
Meanwhile, I got kicked out of a volunteer program with the courts because the FBI agent at the courthouse heard me laugh at a dirty joke. But that man became the most prominent DA? Man just fuck the world
Just finished reading Tom O'Neill's "Chaos". One of the best books I've ever read, highly engaging. Covers a lot of ground, a lot a complexity, and a lot of twists and turns. Better that most any fiction. Highly recommended, if you plan on reading it, set aside at least two hours per reading session, you'll want keep reading until you're either done or you brain can't take in any more info. A spent about 6 hours reading today to finally finish it.
Just got it today! Can't wait to start it!
I agree. Great book. I'm not even interested in manson. But this book was great.
@@SmurfGoneGamer The best book that Ive read on this case...and Ive read a lot of them.
Especially mind- blowing was what was actually on the tape found in the Cielo house loft
Truth is often stranger than fiction.
I agree
For decades, Bugliosi was the staunchest proponent of Oswald acting alone in the JFK assassination. Makes sense now.
John Wahl Yup wrote a huge book about it
Thank you for remembering this!
John Wahl He is / was a hack
John Wahl exactly!! U can’t bend light around the silly explanation that one pristine bullet created so much damage from one lone guy who managed to change all The policies and procedures of the federal government for a day. Only to have that one guy get himself caught in a theater while escaping the single most important event in American history since Lincoln.
Absolutely. The fact that Bugliosi was compromised explains why he was chosen to author a book which simply re-stated the official position of the Warren Commission. The book was complete BS.
"that bugliosi dude
sounds crazy"
c.manson
Well he wasn’t sane, that’s for sure
Wish that Bugliosi had been exposed during his lifetime.
How has this story of “The Milkman” not been made into a feature-length film, a documentary, or a really complicated porno? 🤷🏽♂️
P. Pm
The Milkman and the Virginia Cardwell story
Plot twist: The milk man was Charles Manson.
DA offices ARE complicated pornos
@Steve Hunt meOW
I'm an older fellow and it took decades for me to fully realize something: Lies are the new truth.
Question everything, say nothing.
@@declanbingham4335 That's good. I'll remember it.
You must be quite old and lived in a more happy times.
I’m a conspiracy theorist. However, I base my beliefs on fact, not fiction. O’Neill is just out to sell his book. Someone should ask him who was behind 9/11. Ask Rogan the same question
To be honest just the fact Jack Ruby was assigned a court ordered psychiatrist who turned out to be a CIA mind control expert and shortly afterward Ruby went absolutely fucking insane is enough to entice me down the rabbit hole.
And thats only tangentially connected to Manson
Ruby was "insane" BEFORE he shot Oswald according to people who knew him
I’m. A believer. Roger Smith the PO who had one client : Charlie. He worked with another Smith , David in the free clinic. Yeah... they both wrote papers on LSD, gangs and speed. The evil Sydney Gottlieb was the boss. They are both associated with Jolly West who made a crash pad in the Haight, recruited grad students to watch them and for the most part the kids smelled the rat, which Jolly lived to torment with drugs and little space. Sounds like The Haight - which was their Petri dish.mRoger Smith bailed Charlie and the girls out of many legal hassles. Charlie called him a mentor nicknaming him the name of valentines mentor in Stranger in a Strange Land. There was a study with a film by one of the smiths that was about the family and communal marriage. They have footage from the apps in Berkeley, SF, bus, Spahn, Topanga and Death Valley. You have to ask them to read papers about the group but the link wasn’t functional Alll I got was sources and a thesis. They apparently released the study in 70 or 72 and left out the part where the group massacres at least a dozen human beings. I’m not sure how people can be so dismissive when they’ve confessed to Chaos and other weird factions working illegally in the country. There are a variety of other things that are compelling as well. They’d been dosing Hookers, johns, military peons, inmates in the federal prison system--treating Americans like lab rats. So there’s reason to believe Owlsley, Leary, Garcia, and the bikers were distributing the speed and lsd to the hippies. Especially in SF during 67 when things got real dark real fast.
They were definitely mixed up in the death of JFK==he was ready to shut the CIA down as they fraternize with with gangsters in mobs, gangs etc. JFK knew they were instigating shit in Vietnam, at odds with the FBI . Thought they’re amoral swine, JFK was doing that thing Charlie’s says you have to abide. . He broke his word, well Joe’s word which probably didn’t count for much but they knew the boys would answer for it if they didn’t do as agreed. Though he himself was using a Dr. Feelgood they may have sent him, JFK was too caught up in his own hype to grasp how expendable he was. I’m sure LBJ set that highly dubious route through Dalllas and Castro was all for it, but it’s clear the CIA made a Manchurian candidate or two as Jolly West sent Ruby to La la hell. When he cane to the station, Ruby was not even remotely hindered. Here’s Oswald fresh from the kill and they got no one watching the the place? They had someone on duty even during the slowest days. There’s a lot here and to make it more fishy Bug wrote a dull lone gun narrative that was like 9000 pages long. It’s obvious people want to dismiss this shit because the ramifications are terrifying.
Another strange thing. Charlie’s average IQ of 110 or so as a young man went up more than 50 points while he was incarcerated . He spent two 0r so years doing th sloppy thing, now he’s discussing abstract perception of the New Testament , spewing esoteric concepts and making talk show hosts look like bullies and moron. He even makes Diane Sawyer break out in giggles at one point. With a scatological quip no less! Did I mention the miracle of the severed penis?
@@djf750 they were grooming him for a long time, instigating his move to Russia, though it’s not unlikely they identified him as a hostile communist before they summoned up the fuckery. It seems like they gravitate to paranoid lawless outlaws with higher intelligence. Charlie, Whitey Bolger, Sirhan Sirhan, maybe unibomber, Tim McVey, certainly Jim Jones. They were all over Cali in those days too.
@@arielbonzai462 who is "they" and please provide EVIDENCE of "they" grooming him...good luck
@@djf750 jolly West, Smiths, Gottlieb maybe Reeves Whitson. Clearly you’re unaware of what Bush Sr. Inspired. Read The Way of the Knife, and you can easily connect the free clinic and the smiths to the family. There are scientific studies devoted to them by the Smiths. Immunology Marriage, the impact of LSD on family. Jollly , David and Roger were a sociologists, criminologists, shrinks who are unified by an interest i. Psychoactive substances, the way they effect people, how these folks interact in various conditions. With rodents the over crowding lead to Tarantino type total annihilation, with nothing Aline as you stared into the blood splattered habit trail. Documented experimentation using a cat house in SF, connections of Jolly West to Ruby, federal prisoners, military peons, and eventually run always who have been grow always for far too long which may be what Charlie’s disordered mission truly is, , a NY times article and vague admissions by a lot of spooks save Jolly. West who also murdered an elephant with a giant dose of LSD. He miscalculated which would happen at least one thee time. I’m thinking various recipes were tested as guys like Charlie distributed and monitored the subjects. He may have taken too long to realize he was a subject too.
Why I am I wasting my energy?
Manson was calling this guy out during various interviews but no one believed Charles Manson this guy was crazier than Charlie
Stephen kay is a useless weasel too
LOL! Dude, no. How can you make these claims considering all of his followers, even people who thought they wanted part of the "family," but left quickly . . . What all these crazy, drugged out young people just followed along??? You do realize even the killers have stated everything with Helter Skelter is true. LOL!
@@TheIndependentLens that's not true. Sadie first interviews, kasabian, tex, all of them said copy cat murders. Only after bugliosi threatened to take kasabian kid did she start talking about helter skelter.
Gypsy did interviews years later with country sue who had wrote helter skelter on the famous door and they said it was about confusion nothing else.
@@TheIndependentLens u do know Stephen Kay has even admitted it now? He was co prosecutor with bugliosi
@@muhammadal-baghdadi9660 Steven Kay was a young deputy District Attorney when he joined Vincent Bugliosi in the courtroom as a co-prosecutor late in the trial. In his book Helter Skelter Bugliosi mentions Kay only six times, at one point to recall how the inexperienced deputy DA "intemperately" rushed from the courtroom to repeat a supposed Manson death threat to the press. Manson once remarked that Kay's real role at the trial was that "he carried Bugliosi's pencils."
Dad is listening to his daughter say her prayers before bedtime.
She says - God bless mommy and god bless daddy and god bless grandma and... goodbye grandpa.
He asks her - why did you say that?
I don't know, I just felt like saying it.
The next day, grandpa drops dead. Wow, thinks dad, that's an odd coincidence.
A month later at bedtime, the daughter says - God bless mommy and daddy. And goodbye grandma.
Sure enough, the next day grandma breathes her last earthly breath.
The dad realizes this is more than a coincidence, but he is not sure what to do. He doesn't want to disturb his wife by telling her (Grandma and grandpa were her parents).
Months go by and one night the man is listening to his daughter saying her prayers at bedtime - God bless mommy....she turns her head and looks straight at him - and goodbye daddy. What!? are you sure honey? She nods. The man's heart begins racing and he breaks out in a sweat. He is so upset, he can't sleep at all that night.
The next day he goes off to work, but locks himself in his office. He takes the phone off the hook, cancels all his meetings and awaits the inevitable.
He stays at work past 5 because he feels secure there. He watches the hours tick by. Finally it is midnight and, drenched in sweat, he realizes he has cheated death. He drives home drenched in sweat and with all his nerves frazzled.
His wife is up and waiting for him - Where the hell were you today??! He replies - Don't shout, I've had an absolutely miserable day.
His wife then says - You had a miserable day? I'm the one who had a miserable day! First, the milkman drops dead on the steps...
🤔...
😂
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
Ummmmm bro your twisted
@@hokimoki3677 relax sweety, why you say that, are you sure, or did your dad had doubt that you weren't his biological accomplishment.
@@waheedahmed9643 where im from twisted means wicked or radical...it was a compliment
Hmmm... This one might be a full episode watch...
Eh he talks in circles
I'm on my third 20 minute clip and yes it's looking that way 🤦💭
@@1Learn2Swim3 Yeah, I think I'm going for it. You can always skip stuff you've seen!
I watched the whole thing. I enjoyed it.
Idk what you mean with your wording lmao
Holy fuck, just found out after watching this my sister's grandmother's cousin is Vincent Bugliosi, and hearing stories about my sister's father makes a shit ton more sense. Crazy abusive to my mom and absolutely fucking crazy
So, YOUR grandmothers cousin !
Do you not think your sister and you have the same grandmother ? Same father ?
Is it your step sister? Are you adopted?
Cmon bro some context please
@@ThePearl2004 haha we have different fathers and it's his side, so I have no actual blood relation to him, that's my sister, but hey it's there lol
@@ThePearl2004 they're half siblings with the same mother.. wasn't too hard to comprehend.
This rabbit hole literally has no end🐰🍄
Do some research on Laurel Canyon and all the CIA made bands created there. Rock n Roll was a CIA creation. Including the Beatles
@@dadsarepeopletoo3785 I've read Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon and would enthusiastically encourage others interested in this topic to do the same.
@@dadsarepeopletoo3785 I've also read Memoirs of Billy Shears and would encourage others who wanna follow the rabbit hole of Tavistock to do so.
Vince sounds like Presidential material.
@Nat Bugliosi wrote a great book Outrage on the OJ Circus and a piece of garbage Reclaiming History on JFK Assassination that was pathetic,full of Lies . and nothing but Govt. Propaganda!
After Trump and Biden, everyone is president material
Creey Porn Lawyer wasn't the first
@@jjjjjjjjmmmmmm5910 wow so edgy. Trump only became a monster once he removed the D and replaced it with an R. You probably think Fauci is a good guy too. Better put on two masks.
@michael boultinghouse conservative? He was a full blown liberal
I went to school with the only Manson member to be paroled. Steve "Clem" Grogan, this was in LA in 1986, its a music school in Hollywood called Musicians Institute. Steve (Clem), was a blues guitar player and did some art work for the school, I met him in a practice room and he tried out my guitar. He kept telling me that my strings were old and needed replacing. Its was odd because he kept saying it over and over. Anyway, a friend of mine saw me in the room with him and his eyes got real wide and he briskly walked away. Later he told me that that guy was a former Manson family member. I was a big skeptic and said "no way, thats bullshit" "its probably some kind of rumor" well, he said, "thats what I thought till I went to the bookstore on the boulevard and looked at the pics in Helter Skelter!" So, on my way home I went and looked at the book. In the insert in the middle are a bunch of pics of the family and there he was, Steve Grogan staring back at me at a younger age. My heart sank. I never talked to him again. Totally true story.
when you talk to crazy people, talk to them in reality; like they're here too.. sometimes you can orient them to time and place. Most times not, and it's ok to go down the garden path with them.. it eases their anxiety and can be fun lol. Don't be so scared of each other... be more curious. Whomever told you who he was, was an idiot. Because nothing is wrong, unless someone SAYS there's something wrong. then you're in trouble. xo :*
You had me until "totally true story."
You should've beat the hell out of him!
And he became a “character” in Tarantino’s movie (the hippie at the ranch who slashes the tire and then is forced by Cliff/Brad Pitt to fix it)
@@keetahbrough I believe you because I've read he's been at the Musician's Institute after being paroled. THere must be many stories like your of people who played with him. There were videos of him performing onstage as late as the early 90's too
Remember Manson specifically stated Helter Skelter was Bugliosi’s delusion and reflection of his own sex paranoia.
I agree, but Charlie was probably telling campfire stories that a few of these lsd addled kids bought into. Leslie thought she was growing fairy wings. Ruth Anne and Diane May have bought into it though neither admits it. Mary and Gypsy’s deep involvement with AB suggests they thought of it in a more militant concept. This is likely so with Pat, Sandy ( she’s a freaking war girl), Squeaky, Brenda, and the men-Bruce, Dennis Rice, Little Larry, TJ, and afternoon awhile Bobby spouted off some stuff that was clearly under Sandy’s influence. Fortunately he out grew that eventually. Prison has been good to him in many ways. I don’t think Sadie or Clem thought about much at all. .what I find very disturbing is how easily Bug dominated the narratives of Ed Sanders and Little Paul. Sanders goes in a wild goose chase trying to get hi== porn allegedly created by the family ( insets is best!). Turns out these film were made by the beautiful people in the canyons. They were as sexually depraved, strung out and felonious as Charlie’s tribe. They too made illegal movies, sold and ingested illicit drugs, trafficked others, got into jail bait maybe worse. They were laundering money, smuggling counter and, thwarting an investigation and recklessly carrying weapons around after the massacre.
@@arielbonzai462what a difficult comment to follow... Confusing
This guest is fascinating. Amazing the amount of power these people wield in their offices on high.
I hardly see this guest as "fascinating" when he is bashing someone who has already passed away and cannot defend themselves. Cowardly is a more appropriate word for this guest.
Every time he mentions this Vince's crazy wildman antics I picture Vince McMahon doing a WWE bit.
Good shit, pal.
Hahaha
YOUR FIRED!!!!
Read the book because of this interview. The book is great. Tom is an honest broker!
Yup
He’s a 2nd rate Hollywood gossip reporter
I read O'Neill's book and I was very impressed that he would only go as far as the evidence took him. He found some information that implied a quite different story was what really went on with the Manson family and the murders and he told the reader that but he refused to jump headlong into advocacy for it.
@EdwardWLynn: He (O'Neill) went only so far as the evidence took him, and ended up proving nothing. Which means there was no evidence for what he was trying to prove. Bugliosi, on the other hand, presented solid credible evidence, proved his case and got the conviction.
@@stddisclaimer8020
A brain dead moron with no limbs could have convicted the Manson family.
They did LITERALLY everything possible to convict themselves.
So let’s not pretend he’s some genius.👍🥃
@@BillMcGirr In this case, if not others, Bugliosi can be fairly described as a genius, in getting the conviction of someone who was arguably not even at the crime scene(s). However, if a "brain-dead moron" could have done the job, if it was soo easy, then why was the Manson trial the longest murder trial in U.S. history (taking over a year)? And who can forget the OJ (criminal) trial. Beforehand, it was thought to be a slam dunk, that "even a brain dead moron" could have convicted him; yet look what happened. Memo to Mad Mick: Put a little more thought into your comments before you post them.
@@BillMcGirr Bugliosi can be fairly called a genius for securing the conviction of someone who was arguably not even at the crime scenes(s). If a "brain dead moron" could have done that job, why was the Manson trial the longest murder trial in U.S. history, lasting over one year?
Let us not also forget the OJ (criminal) trial, which was considered to be such a slam dunk, even a "brain dead moron" could have convicted him, Yet look what happened.
Memo to Mad Mick: Don't be so quick to comment without first thinking.
@@stddisclaimer8020
Not even close.
The McMartin trial lasted 7 years.
The Hillside strangler case 2 years.
The Manson case wasn’t particularly hard.
Not involving issues of race.
OJ was equitted because his attorneys managed to secure a favorable jury ... to say the least.
Not to mention his ability to afford EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE legal representation.
Obviously.
If Manson was wealthy I’d say it could have been a far different trial.
Obviously.
Bugliosi always struck me as a person with a Napoleonic complex...
And of course we find out...
He was also slightly psychotic.
I never said he wasn’t a competent attorney.
But that wasn’t really the point of this discussion was it?
I'm Joes age, I had milk delivered to my home up until the late 80's. Even our neighbors were amazed, lol. Good ole days. We always thought one of our sisters was a productive of the milk man. Jokingly of course.
Matt Drudge was a stalker and now he's compromised. Blackmail is probably much more common than people realize among the famous.
Non famous too. Just anyone who stalks or hires stalkers probably. They probably frame people all sorts of things. Everyone knows everyone elses dirt and wants to appear clean themselves.
EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? This is made up. You can still talk to his followers and they will tell you about Helter Skelter. I don't get how you people can take this one person seriously when it flies in the face of decades of testimony from even the killers themselves.
@@TheIndependentLens ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING? this book is one of the best and most highly researched books with cross grids of information. did you read it?
@@TheIndependentLens You do realize most of them do not say Helter Skelter was the motive, right? They say it was an overall philosophy, a representation of “chaos in the world” that would eventually culminate in some kind of cataclysmic event like a racial war unless people returned to a more basic, “real” form of living in nature and away from “the man”. Almost everyone involved with the murders, including the infamously unreliable Sadie who initially mentioned Helter Skelter as an idea, then through the workings of the prosecution, was pushed to establish it as a motive to the grand jury to pin Manson, said Helter Skelter wasn’t a motive later on once she decided to head back to Manson’s camp, then again in the book “Goodbye Helter Skelter”. It was an idea, and the crux of it being the motive for the murders has been disavowed by almost every family member involved. The ones who do talk about it as a motive we’re people who weren’t even involved in the killings, but heard about it a lot on the commune, then later on once the trial established it as motive, simply said, “Yeah, I do remember hearing that a lot.”
Most of them maintain the murders were carried out due to different reasons, through the one I hear most is due to the Gary Hinman situation and Bobby’s imprisonments. I think the reality of it is a lot less goofy or extreme than either Helter Skelter or a CIA conspiracy. If anything, it was probably some kind of drug burn considering the history of the people at Cielo Drive and the wealthy nature of the LaBiancas along with where they lived. The main man behind it more than likely being Watson & Manson considering their history with selling and purchasing drugs, and the fact the two had been to Cielo before on multiple accounts. Why do you think Tex is so adamant about not getting those tapes out? Why would the LAPD refuse to release them under FIA? Say what you will about Tom, but some of his findings have merit. Helter Skelter is a lurid horror story mostly meant to sensationalize and keep important people like Terry Melcher out.
@@negativebones1887 But they do, writing out a bunch of garbage does not make you correct, Pumpkins. Seriously stop lying. Tom O'Neil is a freaking liar and opportunist manufacturing this bogus and unimaginative cash grab for the easily led and dumb folks of society. Seriously, government/mafia coverup and you buy that mess??? LOL! Boo, I know you're soft in the head, but come on. That's not even interesting. I get in this current day ripoff society how maybe that appeals to idiotic people, but come on . . . SANDRA GOOD, LYNETTE FROMME, SUSAN ATKINS, DIANE LAKE, BOBBY BEUSOLEIL, LESLIE VAN HOUTEN, MARY BRUNNER, PATRICIA KRENWINKEL, CLEM GROGAN, DANNY DECARLO . . . ALL OF THEM! *Shut up and stop lying to save face for believing some weak piggy back on someone else's work, ripoff nonsense.* I get why you want to go out of your way to coverup for being so freaking dumb, but too bad.
@@kathrynmcelroy5658 Yes, I did and he's lying. The original book "Helter Skelter" is far more in depth and informative. It's actually the truth. Not this weak garbage. Sorry you're just as foolish. Seriously, government-mafia coverup that flies int he face of testimony for decades. Grow up, Boo! You're an embarrassment.
Sure, Manson was crazy...but Bugliosi was bat shit insane.
Which is what the state probably needed to win the trial. A normal prosecutor would have been ripped to shreds by Manson.
Tom dose incredible research, he’s so thorough & has made sure he gets credible proof
he certainly Does,
I might buy the book ¡¡¡
Rabbit holes and speculation
I have heard accounts of Bugliosi's rather skeevy behavior over the years. I find O'Neill's claims believable. What's troubling is why Bugliosi wasn't fired from the DA's office, and why wasn't he prosecuted? He clearly should have been.
Eye for an Eye makes Everyone blind. He had something on them as they had on him. Story of the world we live in now. Nobody wants to come clean and step up as it will wreck their house of cards.
All I can tell you is that in my home city, DA's are always psychotic, corrupt, predatory people. It seems to be a prerequisite for the job. Never knew a good one.
@@FleshLessOne - Makes sense that Bugliosi had dirt on others in the power structure seeing as how he was handed the most high profile case of that era after all his crazy stalker stuff was known. And that stalker stuff shows just how far he was willing to go and how dangerous he could be - a real lunatic
Because it wasn’t true.
Overworld vs Underworld. Simple as.
if you read wikipedia's description of bugliosi there's a glaring absence of his controversial past. they paint him as an award winning author, lawyer and family man. 🤔 after watching this I believe an updated version of him should
Probably because none of the allegations are true.
Lol They paint JFK as a award nominee family man, and none of that was true
@@spearfisherman308 the "allegations" are on record with Orange Co.
Wikipedia 🙄
Bugliosi was made to be the arch villain in this book. What about the CIA?
I just finished his book, " Chaos" and it was very well written and informative.
Vince should have been in the same cell as Charlie
However he doesn't deserve Charlie.
@Mark Wood I think you're wrong about the yammering guys evidence
I am surprised this guy still alive
He wouldn't be if he met Arlen 😂
that should tell you everything you need to know about his "story" ...
All those involved are dead who is going to go after him
@@puzer1 just ignore all of the police reports and documents that supports his "story" and pretend it never happened.
Joe “I am the milkman” Rogan
Joe I'm the bald guy Rogan
these are all bandwagon unfunny
joe the _____rogan.but that ones funny
Jesus Christ this book is nuts. I got it on Audible and its nuttier than Tiger King
Calum Fitzpatrick
Don’t waste your money. It’s not that interesting.
@@ckom0007 wrong
@Calum Fitzpatrick are you blind? He said audible
Fweg 25
Wrong? It’s badly written. He glosses over important points. He questions established objective fact, he lies and makes claims that’s are utterly ridiculous ridiculous . He. premise is less than weak. The
@@ckom0007 I disagree with the majority of that
Joe, crazy does not mean stupid. A crazy person could produce a well written document of truths that would wrap around your brain. If they were smart/intelligent enough... you wouldn't know that they were f'ing with you. Don't underestimate crazy people.
I agree..the unibomber is a good example of this..and apocalyptic cult leaders...and Jim carrey...lol
I bought the audible Chaos, hands down, finished it in 3 days, and since I am back to this video again, probably will listen to it again.
God losers and their audiobooks
The milkman needed Maury Povich.
Best Rogan guest...ever
Absolutely shocking!
When it’s all said and done, I’m feeling like the milkman’s son.
I remember that moment when Vince flipped out on Jesse Ventura and told him to turn off the cameras. He had a hair trigger and did seem to be an unusual lawyer in that he received celebrity status from that one case and never maintained any legal standing of prominence yet he was used repeatedly to bolster a position like having him prosecute Lee Harvey Oswald in abstentia against Jerry Spence in a televised mock trial (worth watching) or of course having Vince claim authorship of the JFK book promoting the lone gunman theory.
Because Jesse just would claim his crackpot statements and not give Vince adamant time to respond.
@@andymullarx6365 no he wouldn’t waste his time with someone who would not let him give his side a proper length of time and would through out random points and would not give him time to respond. For example in the jfk episode Ventura claims to have documents that show how Oswald was a cia hit an but does he have the documents authenticated nope he just runs with them.
I gotta find that video.
@@spearfisherman308you've left so many comments defending 'vincent' it'd pretty cute
@@dysay because Tom is lying also Manson is guilty
I learned about the milkman from south park haha so educational
3 chapters in on his book, highly recommend 👍🏻
I'm getting this book! Buying it right now!
I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you.
Up until now watching this i really liked and respected Vincent Bugliosi. Book is on order.
Sometimes life changes so much it really remains the same. Wrong is wrong and Right is right... Stands test of time
excellent stuff
Things aren't always what they seem, then and now.
Why didn't Vince just take a blood test to prove that he was NOT the father?
Thats using the ole noodle. Good idea!
Exactly!!
WTF?
I wish my Dad had he was so cruel. Believed a few of his kids including me were not his.
@@maryshaffer8474 --WHAT?
Because that would have disallowed him from engaging in his fantasy. It’s like the ending of Memento.
Plot twist: the milkman was MKUltra
La Creatura
Well, he was a MilKman.
Me thinks Rogan is compromised
Nancy Pelosi runs him
Absolutely. He’s a UFC apologist. Nothing more corrupt than that. He will mix lies with the truth when it suits him
Where is the full podcast now?
Bugliosi was *charged with perjury* after the *Charlie Manson* trial- and Vince hired *Robert Blake's attorney* to get him off.
It was the refusal of reporter, William Farr, to testify about the sources of an article he wrote during the murder trial of Charles M. Manson that brought dismissal of perjury charges against Bugliosi.
Wait, if he got off doesn’t that mean he’s innocent of perjury?
Perjury is different from lying.
@@Mr_Bones. not always. Could be from a lack of evidence. Plenty of times people have had cases against them dropped, or reduced, due to a lack of evidence, and Prosecutors not being able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they are Guilty.
Doesn’t meant they are innocent, just means the Prosecutors wouldn’t be able to get a conviction.
@@jimmyrussel5606 yeah lack of evidence means innocence.
Who is this hater attacking a dead man of great esteem? Bugliosi is a legend. Just stop. He was intrepid, a necessary attribute to prevail against the Manson Family, which history proved.
Can you imagine how Bugliosi would respond to this if he were still alive?
He literally delivered the milk !
In the UK the milkman being the farther use to be a joke , he was obviously 🙄 unbalanced
Now they're heading down the right rabbit hole.
No wonder the aliens won't contact us - humans are a messed up bunch.
“Well now you heard another side to the story
But you wanna know how it ends?
If you must know, the truth about the tale
Go and ask the milkman”
Shows how corrupt the system was / is ..
I read Bug’s Helter Skelter years ago as a teen. I never bought it. It’s an absurd narrative and it doesn’t surprise me a crazy person wrote it. In my mind, I always kept going back to the fact the went to Romans house. Why Roman and kill his old lady Sharon? It’s weird when you consider the sick shite Roman was in to. Did they go there to steal videos that Charlie knew Roman had made and kill them while there? Maybe snuff and kidie stuff? Maybe black mail? Charlie and the gang killed a lot more people than the two episodes they went down for. Bugliosi briefly brushes over that in book. It’s a dumb book
It was Tex Watson trying to rob Frykowski and Sebring of drugs and money Watson thought was there.
This book was great . If you haven't, you should give it a go.
Has the full interview dissapeared?
I try and search it and youtube says it is private. I have watched it many times previous but can't go back to it.
It's on Spotify, I just found it.
@@leahmills4646
Thank you leah....
Damn. I love listening to that and don't have Spotify.
Oh well.....🙄
@@HalleyBay61 it's free
Well now it sure is looking like Charlie had a guardian Angel to keep him out of jail...!
He made the whole dam Helter Skelter story up and ran with it
Didn't Susan Atkins tell him that?
let me guess.he wrote in blood at the scene
@@MygirlsGJPB Read his book "Chaos"… Susan Adkins had several stories and was jerked around to suit the needs of Bulgosi… She certainly is guilty but was manipulated.
@@1953childstar I do have that book on audiobook, I have to listen to it again, as I keep falling asleep! I agree that Manson himself may have had other motives, but I believe that is the story he told his followers. I don't think Bug made it up.
It's weird the same guy is involved in Manson and Kennedy.
a Patrice on O&A video brought me here
Vince vs. Carole Baskins for craziest person
Whatever happened to predictability? The milkman, the Manson clan and Vince Bugliosi?
This man is ridiculously special.
I'm just curious if the book has anything about "Stephen Kay from his mother".
I loved reading Helter Skelter in 1976 I guess it was. I was age 14 or 15, and had grown up as a 7 or 8 year old hearing constantly about the Manson Murders, that's the reason I started reading the newspaper when I was age 7.
I know a well written book when I read it, even from an extremely young age as an early reader. Helter Skelter made me think more and increased my brain activity and intelligence level! I loved it.
Even though it's a terrible topic for a kid, I needed to know what happened and what I had lived hearing so much about.
BUT I also know something that's highly promoted and touted, highly believed by mainstream culture and authorities, something so polished and accepted, is likely controlled information. I'm deeply delighted to hear the truth behind the Bugliosi story!
He was a deep state operative - back in those horribly messy days.
Bugliosi was corrupt as crap. The book (and other books that are not as scrupulously cited such as Dave McGowan's work) confirms: in California, hollywierd, the cia, the music industry, the police forces are basically all the same thing. The CIA ultimately controls all of it to a tremendous extent. Parts of it are 'compartmentalized' so O'neill was able to (astutely) notice discrepancies in stories and testimony. But ultimately, the cia lies so much that there is no way to arrive at 100% truth, but (like McGowan) he lays out a ton of great information as best he can.
Watch out for that Rona..
It's all been public information for awhile now, he'll be fine. If this was the 80's, however..
Unreal 😵.
Anyone know why the original full length is private
Abortion was NOT illegal in '73. Roe v Wade decision came down Jan 22, 1973. Further, California had legalized abortion prior to that.
Why wouldn't the milkman just give him the bloodtest though lol?
How about VB do a blood test to first prove it wasn't his? Occam's Razor...
Because he was guilty obviously
Um… if some weirdo shows up at your house and asks you to take a blood test to prove HIS kids are yours.
You would do it?
That would make you weirder than him.👍🥃
Wow...just wow!
Couldn’t help but think of Carolina Drama by the Raconteurs while listening to this.
I wonder if Virginia begged for the life of her unborn child? Too much irony in this story!
I know what book I'm getting with my next audible credit
My local library had the audio version to check out for free.
Haha.. I just read this after spending my credit on the book..
The milk man???!! Was that a real thing, is that where the saying comes from???!!! Hilarious!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
My rich grandma still had a milkman in the mid '70s. He would deliver milk, sometimes OJ, cotrage cheese, heavy cream, ect.
Get to the part about Warren commission and buliosi book please
And he was the one that handled the Oswald mock trial 🤦♂️🤔🤨
Really? Well his connected with the alphabet agencies then
The book is excellent
I love it
All I know is u better bring boul back next time he has a book out. This guy is like watching a old nerdy uncle who's actually super cool n lovable and has true stories u believe
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Oh I can't!!! The milkman?! God help me, it's funny.
Vince in the 60's sounds like someone on Dexies
@michael dowson Nice reference.
The milkman, the wife, and the wife's lover
Why did he even think that to begin with? Crazy
I’m only in my early 40s I remember the milkman delivering milk, so of course Joe knows
I don't even understand what he's talking about. Bugliosi's milkman was his kid's real father and stole $300, and then Bugliosi had an affair, and then he violated the 1996 HIPPA act in 1966 somehow, and then he beat his mistress and got sued or almost got sued, and then Bugliosi got compromised because he listened to his boss or something, and this is somehow relevant to the Manson case? Does anyone understand this lol
Thank you. This is the flimsiest excuse for "facts" I've seen. Just "oh this guy was really crazy" and "you wouldn't believe some of the things, I'm not gonna go into it."
Some guy thought someone else was his dad, aggressively pursued it, realized he was wrong...so.. the Manson case was all a big lie??
if you actually paid attention to what he said you wouldn't have any questions.
@@breakercat Well, do you understand the relevance of Bugliosi's milkman, or his mistress, or his time-traveling HIPPA act violation to the Manson case? Even if true, it seems like little more than a non sequitur.
@@Milligan777 He was giving an example of how crazy Bugliosi' was before he was famous...
@@brettpgh3312 You're a colossal dipshit. You're all over this comment section acting willfully ignorant of the obviously logical points this guy is making in the clip. Then pretending that the few dipshits like yourself, who couldn't follow the conversation intelligently enough to understand it, have valid arguments in their misconceptions. What a fucking tool.
There was no HIPAA rule prior to 1996.
Wow !
Instead of stalking the milkman, why wouldn’t Bugliosi test his own paternity, and if it’s not a match then go milk the milkman?
i immediately thought the same thing.
Dice K My guess is that he was convinced that the milkman was banging his wife regardless of whether or not she got pregnant by him. So he got obsessed about having to get back at him. He had the means to just pay someone to go there with say a 16 mm movie camera from say across the street in a van to just catch him going entering into the house and then leaving the house maybe hour later or whatever. Or arrange to have someone put listening devices. Even if he was was afraid to Have to explain to someone at LAPD why he wanted this equipment he could’ve just paid a private eye to do it.
Because he was mentally ill.
Vince makes Manson look like a regular guy!
You are full to the brim with bullshit if you believe that.
Anyone else notice the full version of 1459 is not up on UA-cam?
Why are there things we can’t hear OH WAIT 🙄
04:18 "This is where we get speculative"....The understatement of the year!!!!
What do you mean
@@morganbanefort181 Help me out. What specifically don't you understand?
@@milart12 what do you mean speculative
My milkman brings me dmt
Whoa, that's crazy....
He was compromised because he didnt have the mic about a fist away from his face...
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