The fact that even after Manson's death and LA still refuses to release the tapes, citing the tape contain information we already know, to me sounds suspect.
@Anonymous Anonymous Well there you go...This is satan's system; soon to be turned on it's head; or actually as i type. Seek Jehovah all you meek ones of the earth - jworg
@@stevem2323 Not for 20 hours straight. And why would he lie about killing MORE people? He was only hurting himself by recording those tapes in the first place
If the tapes corroborated Bugliosi official narrative, they would have been released. The fact they work so hard NOT to release them should be concerning.
A substantial percentage of televangelists are psychopaths -- to do what they do to there followers, to demand the poor fork over everything they have so they can get that new Gulfstream G700, points to a mind that has no compassion.
@@JCLADOG -- Well a psychopathic serial killer does more harm at the individual level, but a psychopathic televangelist does more harm to a greater number of people so on balance the televangelists are actually worse. Is there any doubt, any doubt at all, that Kenneth Copeland is a psychopath? And, he's one of many!
Tex Watson was the actual killer, the person who murdered Sharon Tate, her unborn child, and the others. Yet, Charles Manson, who killed no one, was the primary defendant. This never made any sense.
Really a crummy thing to do by not releasing those tapes. LAPD should be really ashamed. There could be so many other unsolved mystery's in that tape that would give families some type of closure as to what happened to there loved ones. Not to mention we would actually be able to get some real closure on why a poor innocent lady who was 8 1/2 pregnant was slain as she cried out for her mother. She begged for the life of her unborn child. I think the people should know what kind of evil motives were behind all this and I dont think Charles Manson is the only answer.
CorbCorbin well depending on the theory that you believe in, you can maybe conclude that he was in fact under some type of hypnosis. Either by Manson or the CIA. You could even try to see where the story doesn’t add up which could lead to a better understanding. Not to mention he probably was very scared shitless and he confessed everything to someone he’s trusted since childhood.
I truly believe that Tex killed people before the Tate murders. There is no way he never killed anyone, and then one day Charles orders them to the Tate home to kill everyone in there, and then he slaughters everyone like a pro and like it was just a walk in the park. He was obviously experienced.
Dude I wholeheartedly believe there are dozens of runaways that went missing during the flower power hour that can attributed not only to Manson's maliciousness and jealousies but also to Tex's Psycopathy. There are many graves on both Spahn Ranch and the outlying desert that ah never be uncovered.
@@mattbrown5921 don't quote me on this because I'm using my memory from watching the news back then but I do recall them saying something about finding a human bone because I remember saying watch them try to blame every thing they find on Manson
Amazing that he's not nearly as infamous as Manson or the three idiot women. Tex Watson commited by far and the way most of the damage/violence in all of these murders.
Tex actually did ALL of the killings, the girls held and subdued some of the victims and engaged in torture, but all of the actual killing was done exclusively by Tex.
yea, idiot Watson should have his lunacy crown; the teachers' pet of the c👁️a. More infamous than idiot Manson who was also an infamous 'student'. How dare those women steal the spotlight.
this is horrendous. NOW i suddenly understand MR ROGAN you are far more than entertainment but also a safe platform for whistleblowers. my appreciation for your work is so constantly shifting, thank you for your work
The "truth" of mk ultra has been out for a while. It is possible CM was involved in some kind of training/ testing. There's no proof though. It sure does make a great story. Dave Mcgowan wrote a book Programmed to Kill, as well as others that get into what was happening back then in his Laurel Canyon book, and what continues happen now. He's the OG of all this.
I just finished reading the book. It's great, but at the end the only thing I'm sure of is that everyone he talks to is hiding something scarier than the murders.
Listen to John Todd on the Sharon Tate murder. He was a high up into witchcraft and said that she wanted out of the occult bc she didn’t want her new born baby to be a part of that at all and they couldn’t have that. The only way you can get out of the occult or witchcraft is through the blood of Jesus Christ. So her husband went to Europe to have the perfect alibi but he thought she would be alone. They hired and paid Charles Manson to carry out the murders promising him 50 thousand dollars for it. By the time the money got to him after going down through all the other satanists, he only got 2 grand for it lol. Sharon Tate was sacrificed and had to be killed bc the only way out is either through Jesus Christ or through death. Her movies prove that she was a part of the Illuminati and Roman Polanski was very heavy into the occult as well. He could give two shits what happened to her. He’s just as sick as the Manson family is.
@@smileygladhands I would only be guessing, but it struck me as strange that the shiftiest people the author encountered were the prosecutor and that record executive guy. There was a recent movie showing the corrupt connections between the LAPD and music people also. I'm not a rap fan, but it was one of those famous dead rapper shootings that led to a huge drug operation using cops as hitmen. I know it's a stretch, but maybe Charlie was right in the middle of what evolved into the known CIA involvement in the crack epidemic. LA is tough to figure out because the organized crime there didn't involve the Italian mafia so much.
DTA. Don't trust anyone. Rocky said it in the movie. Good advice. And yes the government has reasons to hide truth, sometimes for nefarious reasons, and sometimes for "national interest". I try to watch out for people trying to get me to join any side, cause they often have their own political reasons. We're getting played by the left and the right. The one-two sucker punch. Distract. Divide. Conquer.
Watson is a monster. Have saved to my like list, will always keep it, Sharon Tate's Mother speaking directly to Watson at a parole hearing. She eloquently tore him apart. RIP Mrs. Tate.
How about investigating the death of that defense attorney during the trial? There's no way that was an accident! Maybe that could be a backdoor to hearing the tapes?
I went to a parochial high school whose principal was a Catholic priest. He was the chaplain in Vacaville Prison before that while Manson was there. Manson knew how to manipulate the system and used his time for "counseling" with the priest to stay out of his cell as long as he could. This priest audio recorded all of these talks with that maniac. I have heard a few very small excerpts from those tapes. Manson wasn't a dummy, but he was a sociopath obviously. They would discuss/argue dogma for as long was allowed. Point being those recordings did not fall under any attorney/client privilege. The priest has since passed but those tapes are somewhere.
@@nottadumbass7518 That's the exact opposite of what he does. In his book he lays out all of the facts and evidence he uncovers without speculating on what he can't prove.
LA PD hasn't been the cleanest department in the country but i give em props for working on those streets. Bloods & crips, seedy dark alleys. Not knowing if you are making it home alivr
😂🤣 yes and their officers are the friendliest and most understanding. If Rodney King is how they deal with traffic stops I would hate to see how they deal with real crooks.
Tex and susan watkins were by far the most brutal of the group. They were both fuelled by amphetamine, a drug manson was known to have hated and had refused to allow anyone on the ranch to use.
Her name was Susan Atkins not Watkins and you seem to be unaware of two things in your description of who was “most brutal”: The question/controversy over whether or not Susan actually stabbed Tate (she very well may have not), AND the actions of Patricia Krenwinkel on both nights. I say all this not at all as a defense of Atkins, who was awful. It’s more about, maybe who gets defined as “most brutal” shouldn’t be determined by people who don’t know the case all that well. And my point is not to come at you personally but I bring it up because these comments are littered with people who talk as though they know the case but are clearly going by incomplete or even false information.
They found a body off of Mulholland back in the day with like 150 stab wounds, a missing teen. I'm guessing the family had done things like this because of the speed leading to rage overkill.
@imtheitchyouneedtoscratch I remember a show, not sure which one, where a guy used a counter and another guy stabbed a dummy and it was mind blowing how hard it would be to stab that many times.
I disagree. Yes, he certainly was in the top 5 crazies, but I think the most insane ones out of the family were obviously Manson and Steve “Clem” Grogan
Im sure its because they convicted someone else of a murder/murders that the manson family actually claimed responsibility for. They would rather let that person rot in jail than have to pay them for the years they spend in prison.
Thanks to Joe R. for giving this author's research more publicity. I have read his book and it is required reading in the "intellience agencies dirty tricks" field. Although this interview is very revealing, no question.
If we start violating attorney-client privilege then we worsen the chances of a fair trial. Tex watson’s attorney does not want the tapes made public because there were 3 aspects of Sharon Tate’s murder that could add torture to Tex’s charges. 1. The slash across her face to “make her be quiet” 2. The stab wound in the back of the thigh to keep her from kicking at Tex. And 3. That she was hung while being stabbed. If torture was added to Tex’s charges the only 2 outcomes was life without parole and death. Boyd was a smart man and his plan was to get Tex sentence reduced and hospitalized instead of in prison
That logic doesn't apply to the LAPD though. Why won't they release the tapes? If the tapes corroborate or at least mostly corroborate the official narrative at the trial then they would have incentive to release it to the public. They could refute accusations of wrong doing by O'Neil or whoever else, but instead they still refuse to let them go.
@@jumpingeezus5080 Even though he is dead, most adults born before 1980 know who Charles Manson was. This gray haired dude tells a story badly and drones on and on about non-relevant points. We need Joe to do a translation/summary every few minutes.
Because there is still a very small chance parole can be made. If the truth be told about everything there would be zero chance of parole. If the truth be told about everything there would be new charges and possibly a trip back to death row.
@@ollihp I cant find a good source that Maj. Peter Folger was intelligence, and Major isnt that high of an officer rank neccesarily, I think that his status as being a Folger heir is obviously striking but we already knew all those folks were filthy rich. I think in terms of possible alterior motive when the main stream story seems to have major inconsistencies in the stated motive.
@@whatabouttheearth If you're a newbie, best place to start is w/ Miles Mathis' breakdown of the 1969 psyop. As for maj. Folger & col. Tate, there's lots of non mainstream data & links on this site; cmkxunofficial.proboards.com/thread/11223/charles-manson-murders-faked
Have a family member who lived at the ranch for a while. He was arrested with Plumlee for robbing and stabbing a dude. Went to prison and became a radiologist haha
If the authorities in LA have these tapes that O neil discusses here, forget it. It's likely gone. If it isn't, the only way anyone will hear it is if someone leaks it.
I can say I have a tape of OJ killing Nicole that doesn't mean I do. To many conspiracy theories about this. If you dig long enough you will find something that you can twist to fit whatever narrative you want. What ever happened to being crazy? Everyone wants to feel important and like they know what everyone else doesn't.
@@gchong506 I think the problem here is that there may be a tape or two but it's largely talk unless something material and substantive can be shown to support it. Conspiracy culture is certainly a subculture that has consumed America and that's a problem because it is not based on real skepticism but posing as a skeptic, not using doubt but the semblance of doubt. So people are going to easily fall for conspiracies because they don't think critically but think they are thinking critically.
@@MultiSmartass1 That may be true. However with social media it is a whole new monster. Imagine the stories if social media was around when the Tate murders happened. The more people who pass away that was involved, the more stories and theories will follow because they can't be refuted. Some have merrit and some just B.S from people wanting to be involved.
Release the LAPD case files, FBI case files, CIA files, and the Criminal Justice files on the case, to historians and journalists and others, and let history make the final judgement on this case. Enough of the Bugliosi tale. The US govt liked it, Hollywood loved it, but that is not justice. Justice is truth, the whole truth, and the whole story. True justice for Sharon and the others. American justice? Sounds like a good idea.
We should all make a big deal about releasing those tapes! If the people band together maybe something can be done, don’t know if it’s the truth it’s one mans version and there are a few out there but still want to hear to judge for myself
This was a great broadcast Also still in my mind wondering why they won't release those tapes??!!! My God they release pictures of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Perlman's horrifying death photos which was the most horrendously excruciating thing I think I've ever seen And I'm still wondering why they even showed those photos but yet they won't release these tapes! It almost makes me feel like they want to perpetuate Charles Manson to keep making money off of this horrific crime for as long as they can... unless anyone else has a alternative view please I would love to hear it I just don't get it anymore
Its not about perpetuating manson or money, its about plausible deniability, lots of bs stays covered up because the real truth doesn't fit the American value or legal system we have drilled in your head, the military is the worst about secrets, and lies. If the public found out what really happens then ppl still alive and in power would be removed or even prosecuted and imprisoned, those are called powers that be, as long as there are positions of power there will be corruption
@@DavidWilliams-so2dy omG🤦🏼♀️ I'M SO EMBARRASSED- GOLDMAN RON GOLDMAN 🙇♀️ Thank you for pointing that out, my bad and also my very bad I hate this talk to text thing sometimes I forget to look back on what I wrote to see and make sure everything came out how I meant it but I did get a laugh out of that 👍😂
It's not to make money from people believing the HS Bullshit, it's to keep the truth from being known and prevent Manson being exonerated and the whole conspiracy being exposed.
the tapes will not be released, anything obtained through the freedom of information act that mentions anything going above local government and law enforcement officials is redacted.i think the main precursors leading up to the murders , involved Manson constantly being released after either committing a crime or violating parole.there was immense cultural and social movements happening that the government looked upon as " threats" ie ; black panthers , hippies , student union movements that all were I guess " extreme" to some degree in terms of shaking America's foundations for change in a liberal sense.all the government did was throw all these in conjunction with communism, giving them, especially agencies like the CIA, an excuse to to create programs and operate within community's and institutions.the tate murders just imo, we're a tragedy indirectly linked to allll this shit through mansons reality and perceptions.
I wonder if the lady that had possession of the tapes after the lawyer died listened to them before she turned them over? How couldn’t you or made copies?
Well you are a clueless jackass. But let's play? Who? Who do you wonder if they released the tapes? You just literally have no ability to hear words that come out of peoples' mouths and comprehend the basic facts concerning the topic as they conveyed them. dumber than a box of rocks.
The fact that even after Manson's death and LA still refuses to release the tapes, citing the tape contain information we already know, to me sounds suspect.
@Anonymous Anonymous Well there you go...This is satan's system; soon to be turned on it's head; or actually as i type. Seek Jehovah all you meek ones of the earth - jworg
@@rosskstar ain't no one wana seek no Jehovah lame shit who tf no one even likes that dumbass religion.
Anonymous Anonymous please guy. No one is out to get blacks. Only people out to get blacks are other blacks
@@andrewmesch540 Things you'll never hear a black person say?
@@rosskstar lol ahole
Why do we have the freedom of information act if we never get the information?? Same applies to the columbine tapes
Freedom of information is for their benefit not ours. We only know what they want us to know
It's there for the taking. The loopholes they're going to make you go through now that's another question
What about Columbine?
me me the tapes that she Columbine guys had made before the shooting, aka “The Basement Tapes”.
@@jimmyrussel5606 I didn't know those existed. Can you link to them?
Tex Watson can never pretend to be "reformed", whilst hiding those tapes, knowing that it shows how bad he truly was.
He can pretend all he wants...no one's gonna buy it. He's the epitome of a broken toy.
He’s the epitome of evil.
Joe, this was one hell of a podcast. Appreciate you for sharing this with us!
@Clams McGee sad guy
Clams McGee god damn 😂
Ninja Lover you’re 14
Clams McGee imfuckingpressive.
Did he delete it? I can’t find it anywhere
These tapes need to be heard
They have be the truth, Tex wouldn't lie huh?
They will NEVER release those tapes. Maybe in a hundred years.
The DAs office most likely destroyed those tapes as soon as they got their hands on them. There's now blank cassettes in a safe. We will never know.
Maybe AFTER Tex dies...
@@stevem2323 Not for 20 hours straight. And why would he lie about killing MORE people? He was only hurting himself by recording those tapes in the first place
If the tapes corroborated Bugliosi official narrative, they would have been released. The fact they work so hard NOT to release them should be concerning.
I wouldn’t believe anything bugliosi says! This is a man who actually believes the Warren report!
Bugliosi loves the sound of his own voice and does not like anybody else having one!
CORRECT.
I think Tex is a true and cunning psychopath. The fact that he wants to get out of prison to cash in as a televangelist is very telling
A substantial percentage of televangelists are psychopaths -- to do what they do to there followers, to demand the poor fork over everything they have so they can get that new Gulfstream G700, points to a mind that has no compassion.
I'm not sure which career path does more harm
@@JCLADOG -- Well a psychopathic serial killer does more harm at the individual level, but a psychopathic televangelist does more harm to a greater number of people so on balance the televangelists are actually worse. Is there any doubt, any doubt at all, that Kenneth Copeland is a psychopath? And, he's one of many!
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@@JCLADOG well said !!!!🤗🇬🇧
Tex Watson was the actual killer, the person who murdered Sharon Tate, her unborn child, and the others. Yet, Charles Manson, who killed no one, was the primary defendant.
This never made any sense.
I'm the devil and I'm here to do the devils business....
...nah it was dumber than that.
And you were riding on a horsey!...lol
Are you real?
"The devil is not welcome in heawwwwww."
@Ninja Lover So THATS how that marilyn Manson song got named!
@Ninja Lover nah wasnt really in my area
Sad commentary for our own govt. Proving how crooked this govt. Really is
Wow the manson murders rabbit hole goes deeper than we all expected!
Yep 🤦
Where is Eddie when you need him.
The edge of the Earth
He would be going insane and screaming and shouting bad idea wouldn’t even be able to talk to the guest
He's looking into it!
Manuel Lujan : Eddie is prank calling Alex Jones and vice versa. Lmao
Manuel Lujan Balls deep into something you’ve never heard of.
Really a crummy thing to do by not releasing those tapes. LAPD should be really ashamed. There could be so many other unsolved mystery's in that tape that would give families some type of closure as to what happened to there loved ones. Not to mention we would actually be able to get some real closure on why a poor innocent lady who was 8 1/2 pregnant was slain as she cried out for her mother. She begged for the life of her unborn child. I think the people should know what kind of evil motives were behind all this and I dont think Charles Manson is the only answer.
@norman bates Other than saving there state prosecutors (buliousi) ass or some Hollywood elites (Polanski) I dont see a real reason.
Why would Tex Watson be any more reliable than the others?
CorbCorbin well depending on the theory that you believe in, you can maybe conclude that he was in fact under some type of hypnosis. Either by Manson or the CIA. You could even try to see where the story doesn’t add up which could lead to a better understanding. Not to mention he probably was very scared shitless and he confessed everything to someone he’s trusted since childhood.
@@CorbCorbin he said he was talking to his lawyer in the tapes so why lie when u have confidentiality ?
norman bates 🤣😂 have you never seen anything on the lapd?
I truly believe that Tex killed people before the Tate murders. There is no way he never killed anyone, and then one day Charles orders them to the Tate home to kill everyone in there, and then he slaughters everyone like a pro and like it was just a walk in the park. He was obviously experienced.
@Roots Lifted maybe that wasn't the right term but hopefully you understand what I mean.
Exactly I always thought the same thing to.
@@RhythmBulzara No that was a professional murdered. He slaughtered her and cut the baby out the womb. He was a sick sob so was her husband Roman.
Buck knives and a .22 Buntline revolver do not a pro make.
It wasn’t meant to look professional,
You have a great show. Thank you for doing it.
Dude I wholeheartedly believe there are dozens of runaways that went missing during the flower power hour that can attributed not only to Manson's maliciousness and jealousies but also to Tex's Psycopathy. There are many graves on both Spahn Ranch and the outlying desert that ah never be uncovered.
I want to go and do depth scans of the grounds around the ranch, of something was buried their it would show up on the scans
They found several remains located around the area back in 2007-2008
@@gchong506 i see that they dug but i dont see any confirmation that bodies were discovered
@@mattbrown5921 don't quote me on this because I'm using my memory from watching the news back then but I do recall them saying something about finding a human bone because I remember saying watch them try to blame every thing they find on Manson
I think barker ranch would be an even better bet.
Amazing that he's not nearly as infamous as Manson or the three idiot women. Tex Watson commited by far and the way most of the damage/violence in all of these murders.
Tex actually did ALL of the killings, the girls held and subdued some of the victims and engaged in torture, but all of the actual killing was done exclusively by Tex.
yea, idiot Watson should have his lunacy crown; the teachers' pet of the c👁️a. More infamous than idiot Manson who was also an infamous 'student'. How dare those women steal the spotlight.
Plus Tex Watson was never charged for the murder of Donald ' Shorty ' Shea either 🤦🤦🤦🤦😳
Toms laugh/giggle at 4:30 is nothing short of a day maker. Thanks JoeRogan for doing your thing.
Leap Year I’m crying from laughing so hard. Thank you for further serving your UA-cam community by pointing it out. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This was the most interesting JRE episode in a long long time.
its a shame its been erased off youtube...
@@henrygaraffa5584 yeah why has it been taken down?
@@Fingolfin30 I wonder.
this is horrendous. NOW i suddenly understand MR ROGAN you are far more than entertainment but also a safe platform for whistleblowers. my appreciation for your work is so constantly shifting, thank you for your work
Really? What about actual evidence and not hearsay! Smh
Thats a dumb comment lol
Whistleblowers? How is this guy a whistleblower he's literally just a journalist reporting on a criminal case? U r dum
This dude is not a whistleblower lmao
The "truth" of mk ultra has been out for a while. It is possible CM was involved in some kind of training/ testing. There's no proof though. It sure does make a great story. Dave Mcgowan wrote a book Programmed to Kill, as well as others that get into what was happening back then in his Laurel Canyon book, and what continues happen now. He's the OG of all this.
I have to admire this guys persistence.
Highly recommend Tom's book. Incredible investigative journalism and a mind blowing journey. Great read!
I just finished reading the book. It's great, but at the end the only thing I'm sure of is that everyone he talks to is hiding something scarier than the murders.
Spot On Correct.:)
Listen to John Todd on the Sharon Tate murder. He was a high up into witchcraft and said that she wanted out of the occult bc she didn’t want her new born baby to be a part of that at all and they couldn’t have that. The only way you can get out of the occult or witchcraft is through the blood of Jesus Christ. So her husband went to Europe to have the perfect alibi but he thought she would be alone. They hired and paid Charles Manson to carry out the murders promising him 50 thousand dollars for it. By the time the money got to him after going down through all the other satanists, he only got 2 grand for it lol. Sharon Tate was sacrificed and had to be killed bc the only way out is either through Jesus Christ or through death. Her movies prove that she was a part of the Illuminati and Roman Polanski was very heavy into the occult as well. He could give two shits what happened to her. He’s just as sick as the Manson family is.
@@blackjack2770 Nice schizo post.
Go back to Reddit with that horse shit.
Have any thoughts on what?
@@smileygladhands I would only be guessing, but it struck me as strange that the shiftiest people the author encountered were the prosecutor and that record executive guy. There was a recent movie showing the corrupt connections between the LAPD and music people also. I'm not a rap fan, but it was one of those famous dead rapper shootings that led to a huge drug operation using cops as hitmen. I know it's a stretch, but maybe Charlie was right in the middle of what evolved into the known CIA involvement in the crack epidemic. LA is tough to figure out because the organized crime there didn't involve the Italian mafia so much.
This is an incredible podcast!
Shocking how many people still believe the government
Beats believing you. You give zero reasons to back up your comment. Go home n give your thought process a vitamin
@@picassoboy52 All it takes is a brain and a little bit of critical thinking to realize how corrupt our government is.
@@picassoboy52 what world do you live in my guy
DTA. Don't trust anyone. Rocky said it in the movie. Good advice. And yes the government has reasons to hide truth, sometimes for nefarious reasons, and sometimes for "national interest". I try to watch out for people trying to get me to join any side, cause they often have their own political reasons. We're getting played by the left and the right. The one-two sucker punch. Distract. Divide. Conquer.
george Carlin once said : First rule - don't believe what the government tells you !
Buy this book. Tom kicks ass and really dug deep. Great read. Please do it.!!
Luv that they gotta kick out of the lawyer dropping dead on his treadmill.
Old friend well lawyers are scum
They laughed pretty hard huh
@@bravemise haha until you need one, right?
One of the best JRE's ever
Watson is a monster. Have saved to my like list, will always keep it, Sharon Tate's Mother speaking directly to Watson at a parole hearing. She eloquently tore him apart. RIP Mrs. Tate.
Tex never had the makings of a varsity athlete
Lmao
Small hands
Oksana Gilroy it’s what his father always said
You don’t like what I say? get outta my house!
Ya hear the one about the Chinese Godfather? He made ‘em an offer they couldn’t understand.
I love your show very informative!!!
All these years Manson was played the blame for those murders.
Tex Watson was the real person who perpetrated those murders with his own hands
To discredit Manson's role in those murders is dumb.
@@TruthDissident Naa you are.
@@HALFBREEDxBILLYxGRAM wow. profound lol
I think Tex would have killed without Manson eventually, but it Manson's fault they chose to kill the people they did.
There was Dallas, from Phoenix; Cleveland - he was from Detroit; and Tex... well, I don't remember where Tex come from
The nostalgia reading this gave me chills
Evan Schroeder 😂🤣😂
Texas obviously Lmao
Get down! And shut up!
Lt Dan... “get down, shut up!”
How about investigating the death of that defense attorney during the trial? There's no way that was an accident! Maybe that could be a backdoor to hearing the tapes?
I covered the trial as a freelance cub journalist. There was speculation that an insanity defense would be utilized. Never happened
The death of Ronald Huges has nothing to do with getting those tapes smh.
I went to a parochial high school whose principal was a Catholic priest. He was the chaplain in Vacaville Prison before that while Manson was there. Manson knew how to manipulate the system and used his time for "counseling" with the priest to stay out of his cell as long as he could. This priest audio recorded all of these talks with that maniac. I have heard a few very small excerpts from those tapes. Manson wasn't a dummy, but he was a sociopath obviously. They would discuss/argue dogma for as long was allowed. Point being those recordings did not fall under any attorney/client privilege. The priest has since passed but those tapes are somewhere.
I'm amazed some1 hasn't tried to make $ off of them.
Awesome, thank you for sharing your story.
i just wish i could hear those tapes man
Why do you need to wish to hear them? Just use your supernatural powers to know what's on them. *rolling my eyes*
These sensational events are never what they seem
This guy needs more recognition
For what? He just speculates
@@nottadumbass7518 read the book
@@nottadumbass7518 yup.... finally a comment i can agree with here
@@nottadumbass7518 That's the exact opposite of what he does. In his book he lays out all of the facts and evidence he uncovers without speculating on what he can't prove.
If I've learned anything from watching The Innocence Files, the L.A. police department is 100% honest. /s
#nightstalker
🤣🤣🤣
LA PD hasn't been the cleanest department in the country but i give em props for working on those streets. Bloods & crips, seedy dark alleys. Not knowing if you are making it home alivr
😂🤣 yes and their officers are the friendliest and most understanding. If Rodney King is how they deal with traffic stops I would hate to see how they deal with real crooks.
@@smith2781 are you dumb?
If the CIA is involved there is no way in Hell you will ever get access to those tapes!!! 🤭
the fact that they were never released is all the proof you need that those shitbags were involved
Tex and susan watkins were by far the most brutal of the group. They were both fuelled by amphetamine, a drug manson was known to have hated and had refused to allow anyone on the ranch to use.
interesting!!!
Meth , high usage , no sleep , will make u hear things and hallucinate, Basically a working zombie WITH NO FEELING OR COMPASSION
All the drugs that the government created
Her name was Susan Atkins not Watkins and you seem to be unaware of two things in your description of who was “most brutal”: The question/controversy over whether or not Susan actually stabbed Tate (she very well may have not), AND the actions of Patricia Krenwinkel on both nights. I say all this not at all as a defense of Atkins, who was awful. It’s more about, maybe who gets defined as “most brutal” shouldn’t be determined by people who don’t know the case all that well. And my point is not to come at you personally but I bring it up because these comments are littered with people who talk as though they know the case but are clearly going by incomplete or even false information.
@@arlenemelson8731 I like it
Man anything interesting that’s ever happened ever will show up on JRE. Thanks for all the knowledge!
OMG, it's Milton from Office Space. Just kidding, don't hurt me Joe.
....could burn the building down...
They found a body off of Mulholland back in the day with like 150 stab wounds, a missing teen. I'm guessing the family had done things like this because of the speed leading to rage overkill.
There was more than one found
Reet Jurvetson and was found with 157 stab wounds 😳🤦😡💔😪
@imtheitchyouneedtoscratch I remember a show, not sure which one, where a guy used a counter and another guy stabbed a dummy and it was mind blowing how hard it would be to stab that many times.
Would be awesome to look back into this!
@Von Dutch my man, should have watched this before the clips.
Everybody and go buy this guy's book. I just finished it myself. Do your part to support a True American Hero!
LMFAO i love the Tom O'Neill Episodes. it reminds me of my time spent with my grandma
weird ramblings? yup, i get it
@@andrewrobert5019 too much aluminum
Tex was the craziest one of um all
I disagree. Yes, he certainly was in the top 5 crazies, but I think the most insane ones out of the family were obviously Manson and Steve “Clem” Grogan
Is** dudes still alive
MarkRoss 9696 Manson is brilliant. He speaks in metaphors. He’s not crazy, he is a zen Buddhist in disguise
@@JamesOsyris Buddhists are not brilliant.
Pik Osyris
Well. He's dead.
The Dr. Jolly West rabbit hole might be the deepest and most interesting dive ever I've ever experienced on the internet.
He’s a real piece of work
Love the book CHAOS!
Can you number the video segments so it's easier to file the flow of the discussion?
Woah. I’m dying to know what’s on those tapes that they won’t release them
Probably the truth
Im sure its because they convicted someone else of a murder/murders that the manson family actually claimed responsibility for. They would rather let that person rot in jail than have to pay them for the years they spend in prison.
@@TheRandomVaper I'm sure you are completely wrong and way off base lmao.
Thanks to Joe R. for giving this author's research more publicity. I have read his book and it is required reading in the "intellience agencies dirty tricks" field. Although this interview is very revealing, no question.
More paplum for conspiracy believing bro's
Tex "real as a donut" Watson.
Na it was dumber than that something like Rex
and he was on a horsey!
Man I was hoping I would hear the tapes
Thumbnail looks like brett farve if hed been cut from the packers 😂
Best comment
Lololol true
He couldn't cough up all the $$$ to pay back
"He died later on the treadmill"
"Probably thinking about you"
Joe: Savages
Yoel Romero: Savages
Rex? - Shoot him Tex! - Tex!!
CurvyVic he said he was the devil, and her was here to do some Devil shit
*signals the dog*
Is everybody ok? The hippies sure as fuck aren’t
God that Mike was fucking great
Lol the dog food can to face
Tom’s book is great….what a labor of love
Whether the truth is there or not why would they keep it hidden after all these years
They will lose credibility - and it would come out that Charlie was a scapegoat and used to make money !
For the same reasons they created this false narrative, made Manson a Patsy and covered up the truth.
I read this man's book, CHAOS. I plan to read it again. It was absolutely riveting. I highly recommend it.
What book ?
It's full of nonsense
@@ReservoirPunk it's not read the book
@@morganbanefort181 i did read it and yeah it's a complete pile of shit
@@andrewrobert5019 it's not
What makes you think that it's shit
Release the tapes
Release the Kraken...........
They will, the day after you are declared High Exalted Wizard Poobah of Earth.
I wish i could listen to those 20 hours of tape.
I wish you go skipping down the yellow brick road to Oz and ask the Wizard for a CLUE.
@@HALFBREEDxBILLYxGRAM what the fuck? Lol
Fascinating case.
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With numbers 1-12 on it. Weird
Couldn't John Douglas weigh in on this? Douglas also interviewed Watson in prison.
Where can I find this whole interview?
I’ll tell you for $10.
RELEASE THE TAPES
They already scheduled for release.......the Tuesday immediately following The Second Resurrection of Christ, five days before Wrestlmania 635.
If we start violating attorney-client privilege then we worsen the chances of a fair trial. Tex watson’s attorney does not want the tapes made public because there were 3 aspects of Sharon Tate’s murder that could add torture to Tex’s charges. 1. The slash across her face to “make her be quiet” 2. The stab wound in the back of the thigh to keep her from kicking at Tex. And 3. That she was hung while being stabbed. If torture was added to Tex’s charges the only 2 outcomes was life without parole and death. Boyd was a smart man and his plan was to get Tex sentence reduced and hospitalized instead of in prison
Yeah good point never thought about that. She was hung up first then stabbed
NOPE.
That logic doesn't apply to the LAPD though. Why won't they release the tapes? If the tapes corroborate or at least mostly corroborate the official narrative at the trial then they would have incentive to release it to the public. They could refute accusations of wrong doing by O'Neil or whoever else, but instead they still refuse to let them go.
@@David-sl6xf Tex’s lawyer is the owner of the so-called Tex tapes, not the LAPD.
Exactly! They did it and bugliosi proved it. This is irrelevant amd immaterial.
Who can believe anything the murderers say? They were all trying to cover their assess.
Anytime a journalist asks you to go on record, do yourself a favor and don’t.
dont talk to cops either, get a laywer if you can
The amount of lowkey Manson apologists/fans in the comments is nothing short of sickening
The amount of typical sheep believing a ridiculous concocted pile of impossible lies are the same as always.
Mugshot looks like Ron Perlman.
Where is the full podcast? Suddenly gone.
Tex went stone crazy!!! He's your buggy man not Charlie👽
90 seconds in and I am lost.
Wade Suhr age gap lmao
2 secs for me
I watched the entire podcast, had no clue what was said for 90% of it
It's english. Manson Family. Look it up.
@@jumpingeezus5080 Even though he is dead, most adults born before 1980 know who Charles Manson was. This gray haired dude tells a story badly and drones on and on about non-relevant points. We need Joe to do a translation/summary every few minutes.
why not just go to watson and interview him without ever mentioning the tapes
Because there is still a very small chance parole can be made.
If the truth be told about everything there would be zero chance of parole.
If the truth be told about everything there would be new charges and possibly a trip back to death row.
You think CIA would allow those interviews to happen? Hell no. He'd get Epstein'ed before they took place.
bECAUSE WTF DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT'S ON THE TAPES??
These videos and buzzfeed unsolved are my go-to videos when I work overnight at shoprite. Never watch them, just listen. Still worth it
Makes you wonder what really whats being hidden.
Lt Col Paul Tate, her was was Military intelligence is probably a major factor
ua-cam.com/play/PLgRoK-eyLjokNbuTECBm-MWhOa0fa0yhV.html
@@whatabouttheearth And ACIO Maj. Peter Folger, Abigail’s father.
@@ollihp
ACIO?
Do you mean ASIO? Australian Intelligence?
Who is Abigail, sorry I dont know too much about this case
@@ollihp
I cant find a good source that Maj. Peter Folger was intelligence, and Major isnt that high of an officer rank neccesarily, I think that his status as being a Folger heir is obviously striking but we already knew all those folks were filthy rich.
I think in terms of possible alterior motive when the main stream story seems to have major inconsistencies in the stated motive.
@@whatabouttheearth If you're a newbie, best place to start is w/ Miles Mathis' breakdown of the 1969 psyop. As for maj. Folger & col. Tate, there's lots of non mainstream data & links on this site; cmkxunofficial.proboards.com/thread/11223/charles-manson-murders-faked
those tapes could possibly reveal that Charlie was a crazy fried outa his mind rockstar wannabe and thats all
Thank you
Then why not release them? Somethings fucky.
Yeah sure, he was "innocent".
WRONG.
Tex looks like Brandon Walker from Barstool
This would be the first I ever heard of someone doing life in prison for influencing someone else's murder.. 😏🤔
Have a family member who lived at the ranch for a while. He was arrested with Plumlee for robbing and stabbing a dude. Went to prison and became a radiologist haha
So what?
you're all over these threads being miserable, billy gram.
Maybe you'll improve someday.
If the authorities in LA have these tapes that O neil discusses here, forget it. It's likely gone.
If it isn't, the only way anyone will hear it is if someone leaks it.
@Mr P Your comparison doesn't change the facts . These tapes are likeky gone and even if there copies, unlikely to surface.
I can say I have a tape of OJ killing Nicole that doesn't mean I do. To many conspiracy theories about this. If you dig long enough you will find something that you can twist to fit whatever narrative you want. What ever happened to being crazy? Everyone wants to feel important and like they know what everyone else doesn't.
@@gchong506 I think the problem here is that there may be a tape or two but it's largely talk unless something material and substantive can be shown to support it.
Conspiracy culture is certainly a subculture that has consumed America and that's a problem because it is not based on real skepticism but posing as a skeptic, not using doubt but the semblance of doubt.
So people are going to easily fall for conspiracies because they don't think critically but think they are thinking critically.
@@MultiSmartass1 That may be true. However with social media it is a whole new monster. Imagine the stories if social media was around when the Tate murders happened. The more people who pass away that was involved, the more stories and theories will follow because they can't be refuted. Some have merrit and some just B.S from people wanting to be involved.
lmmfao that's funny as fuck. Leak "it"??? lmao
I like how the og vid is now private.
Government psy-op gone horribly bad.
He kinda looks like Brett Favre
Release the LAPD case files, FBI case files, CIA files, and the Criminal Justice files on the case, to historians and journalists and others, and let history make the final judgement on this case. Enough of the Bugliosi tale. The US govt liked it, Hollywood loved it, but that is not justice. Justice is truth, the whole truth, and the whole story. True justice for Sharon and the others.
American justice? Sounds like a good idea.
You're delusional. NEVER gonna be released not EVER.
Manson didn't actually kill anyone but I get why they locked him up, because it would've got alot worse
Oh brother, no you don't get anything. smh
I've heard of offshoots of the Manson family having different compounds in Tennessee and Indiana but always thought it was just rumor
That's not rumor, it's complete garbage nonsense.
That’s wild
We should all make a big deal about releasing those tapes! If the people band together maybe something can be done, don’t know if it’s the truth it’s one mans version and there are a few out there but still want to hear to judge for myself
I wanted the columbine basement tapes released but they allegedly destroyed them
NEVER gonna happen.
So we should set them all free? Rough justice is good enough for me. I have met some of the players in the Family...keep them under lock and key.
No you haven't met any "players from The Family." Idiot.
So...the truth is on those tapes! Who is keeping them under wraps and why? After all this time the mystery still shines. Thanks, joe!🤔🙊
if there was anything important on those tapes, don't you think they would just disappear?
THICKET.
Imagine being able to listen to those tapes.
This was a great broadcast Also still in my mind wondering why they won't release those tapes??!!! My God they release pictures of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Perlman's horrifying death photos which was the most horrendously excruciating thing I think I've ever seen And I'm still wondering why they even showed those photos but yet they won't release these tapes! It almost makes me feel like they want to perpetuate Charles Manson to keep making money off of this horrific crime for as long as they can... unless anyone else has a alternative view please I would love to hear it I just don't get it anymore
Its not about perpetuating manson or money, its about plausible deniability, lots of bs stays covered up because the real truth doesn't fit the American value or legal system we have drilled in your head, the military is the worst about secrets, and lies. If the public found out what really happens then ppl still alive and in power would be removed or even prosecuted and imprisoned, those are called powers that be, as long as there are positions of power there will be corruption
I didn’t know Ron Perlman was involved.
@@DavidWilliams-so2dy omG🤦🏼♀️ I'M SO EMBARRASSED- GOLDMAN RON GOLDMAN 🙇♀️ Thank you for pointing that out, my bad and also my very bad I hate this talk to text thing sometimes I forget to look back on what I wrote to see and make sure everything came out how I meant it but I did get a laugh out of that 👍😂
It's not to make money from people believing the HS Bullshit, it's to keep the truth from being known and prevent Manson being exonerated and the whole conspiracy being exposed.
the tapes will not be released, anything obtained through the freedom of information act that mentions anything going above local government and law enforcement officials is redacted.i think the main precursors leading up to the murders , involved Manson constantly being released after either committing a crime or violating parole.there was immense cultural and social movements happening that the government looked upon as " threats" ie ; black panthers , hippies , student union movements that all were I guess " extreme" to some degree in terms of shaking America's foundations for change in a liberal sense.all the government did was throw all these in conjunction with communism, giving them, especially agencies like the CIA, an excuse to to create programs and operate within community's and institutions.the tate murders just imo, we're a tragedy indirectly linked to allll this shit through mansons reality and perceptions.
I wonder if the lady that had possession of the tapes after the lawyer died listened to them before she turned them over? How couldn’t you or made copies?
How? It would take not being a dumbass who doesn't wanna go to prison.
She already knew/knows the truth and is in on the whole thing.
wow, what a story!
I wonder if he released the tapes
Well you are a clueless jackass. But let's play? Who? Who do you wonder if they released the tapes? You just literally have no ability to hear words that come out of peoples' mouths and comprehend the basic facts concerning the topic as they conveyed them. dumber than a box of rocks.
It is probably because the truth connected to someone or some people very very important and prominent.
Polanski is suspicious to me as well - he did not want that baby and Sharon wanted the divorce !
DING DING DING, wow someone who isn't stupid. cool.