The fact that even after Manson's death and LA still refuses to release the tapes, citing the tape contain information we already know, to me sounds suspect.
@Anonymous Anonymous Well there you go...This is satan's system; soon to be turned on it's head; or actually as i type. Seek Jehovah all you meek ones of the earth - jworg
I was being released from Corcoran prison in 1996.. and I heard an officer yell that a prisoner was being escorted... When I looked at the inmate, I seen that it was Charles Manson... We all just stared.... He was a tiny man....
A substantial percentage of televangelists are psychopaths -- to do what they do to there followers, to demand the poor fork over everything they have so they can get that new Gulfstream G700, points to a mind that has no compassion.
@@JCLADOG -- Well a psychopathic serial killer does more harm at the individual level, but a psychopathic televangelist does more harm to a greater number of people so on balance the televangelists are actually worse. Is there any doubt, any doubt at all, that Kenneth Copeland is a psychopath? And, he's one of many!
If the tapes corroborated Bugliosi official narrative, they would have been released. The fact they work so hard NOT to release them should be concerning.
Really a crummy thing to do by not releasing those tapes. LAPD should be really ashamed. There could be so many other unsolved mystery's in that tape that would give families some type of closure as to what happened to there loved ones. Not to mention we would actually be able to get some real closure on why a poor innocent lady who was 8 1/2 pregnant was slain as she cried out for her mother. She begged for the life of her unborn child. I think the people should know what kind of evil motives were behind all this and I dont think Charles Manson is the only answer.
CorbCorbin well depending on the theory that you believe in, you can maybe conclude that he was in fact under some type of hypnosis. Either by Manson or the CIA. You could even try to see where the story doesn’t add up which could lead to a better understanding. Not to mention he probably was very scared shitless and he confessed everything to someone he’s trusted since childhood.
@@stevem2323 Not for 20 hours straight. And why would he lie about killing MORE people? He was only hurting himself by recording those tapes in the first place
I truly believe that Tex killed people before the Tate murders. There is no way he never killed anyone, and then one day Charles orders them to the Tate home to kill everyone in there, and then he slaughters everyone like a pro and like it was just a walk in the park. He was obviously experienced.
Tex Watson was the actual killer, the person who murdered Sharon Tate, her unborn child, and the others. Yet, Charles Manson, who killed no one, was the primary defendant. This never made any sense.
It also doesn't make any sense that Tex Watson went out to California to visit a college friend (fraternity brother?) in 1967 and quickly ended up in The Family and was carrying out gruesome, unhinged murders by 1969. Old Manson was trained in methods (LSD and amphetamine mix, hypnotism, behavioral habit adjustments, etc.) to achieve MKUltra goals. I doubt that the program had in mind that the people who were killed would be killed but it was very interested in finding out if Jolly West's claims about the methods resulting in "Manchurian candidate" actions could be achieved.
it makes sense in a court of law and that's what matters. Manson is not the first nor the last person to be convicted for murder and conspiracy for ordering others to commit murder. there is no mystery here.
@@betsyj59lsd amphetamine combo is no joke makes sense why I was seeing shit in cult classics. I really feel like they splice movies in order to activate something when you’re high on LSD honestly
@@iihigh6598 as a person who took a lot of psychedelics and hasnt in a long time I'm pretty sure it's because you experience new parts of existence, and when you watch something like a movie that's calculated and patterned you see patterns in the new phenomena and dimensions you experience while on LSD, while surely there are people who make art on LSD and so are creating the patterns intentionally, even if you dont do that and make a movie with patterns and themes that are uniform then when you view it from a new "higher perspective" the new informstion will also seem uniform and purposely put together. Its like a blind person painting something based on feel and you seeing patterns with your eyes in the painting that make out shapes.
Dude I wholeheartedly believe there are dozens of runaways that went missing during the flower power hour that can attributed not only to Manson's maliciousness and jealousies but also to Tex's Psycopathy. There are many graves on both Spahn Ranch and the outlying desert that ah never be uncovered.
@@mattbrown5921 don't quote me on this because I'm using my memory from watching the news back then but I do recall them saying something about finding a human bone because I remember saying watch them try to blame every thing they find on Manson
this is horrendous. NOW i suddenly understand MR ROGAN you are far more than entertainment but also a safe platform for whistleblowers. my appreciation for your work is so constantly shifting, thank you for your work
The "truth" of mk ultra has been out for a while. It is possible CM was involved in some kind of training/ testing. There's no proof though. It sure does make a great story. Dave Mcgowan wrote a book Programmed to Kill, as well as others that get into what was happening back then in his Laurel Canyon book, and what continues happen now. He's the OG of all this.
I just finished reading the book. It's great, but at the end the only thing I'm sure of is that everyone he talks to is hiding something scarier than the murders.
Listen to John Todd on the Sharon Tate murder. He was a high up into witchcraft and said that she wanted out of the occult bc she didn’t want her new born baby to be a part of that at all and they couldn’t have that. The only way you can get out of the occult or witchcraft is through the blood of Jesus Christ. So her husband went to Europe to have the perfect alibi but he thought she would be alone. They hired and paid Charles Manson to carry out the murders promising him 50 thousand dollars for it. By the time the money got to him after going down through all the other satanists, he only got 2 grand for it lol. Sharon Tate was sacrificed and had to be killed bc the only way out is either through Jesus Christ or through death. Her movies prove that she was a part of the Illuminati and Roman Polanski was very heavy into the occult as well. He could give two shits what happened to her. He’s just as sick as the Manson family is.
@@smileygladhands I would only be guessing, but it struck me as strange that the shiftiest people the author encountered were the prosecutor and that record executive guy. There was a recent movie showing the corrupt connections between the LAPD and music people also. I'm not a rap fan, but it was one of those famous dead rapper shootings that led to a huge drug operation using cops as hitmen. I know it's a stretch, but maybe Charlie was right in the middle of what evolved into the known CIA involvement in the crack epidemic. LA is tough to figure out because the organized crime there didn't involve the Italian mafia so much.
How about investigating the death of that defense attorney during the trial? There's no way that was an accident! Maybe that could be a backdoor to hearing the tapes?
Amazing that he's not nearly as infamous as Manson or the three idiot women. Tex Watson commited by far and the way most of the damage/violence in all of these murders.
Tex actually did ALL of the killings, the girls held and subdued some of the victims and engaged in torture, but all of the actual killing was done exclusively by Tex.
yea, idiot Watson should have his lunacy crown; the teachers' pet of the c👁️a. More infamous than idiot Manson who was also an infamous 'student'. How dare those women steal the spotlight.
I went to a parochial high school whose principal was a Catholic priest. He was the chaplain in Vacaville Prison before that while Manson was there. Manson knew how to manipulate the system and used his time for "counseling" with the priest to stay out of his cell as long as he could. This priest audio recorded all of these talks with that maniac. I have heard a few very small excerpts from those tapes. Manson wasn't a dummy, but he was a sociopath obviously. They would discuss/argue dogma for as long was allowed. Point being those recordings did not fall under any attorney/client privilege. The priest has since passed but those tapes are somewhere.
Tex and susan watkins were by far the most brutal of the group. They were both fuelled by amphetamine, a drug manson was known to have hated and had refused to allow anyone on the ranch to use.
Her name was Susan Atkins not Watkins and you seem to be unaware of two things in your description of who was “most brutal”: The question/controversy over whether or not Susan actually stabbed Tate (she very well may have not), AND the actions of Patricia Krenwinkel on both nights. I say all this not at all as a defense of Atkins, who was awful. It’s more about, maybe who gets defined as “most brutal” shouldn’t be determined by people who don’t know the case all that well. And my point is not to come at you personally but I bring it up because these comments are littered with people who talk as though they know the case but are clearly going by incomplete or even false information.
LA PD hasn't been the cleanest department in the country but i give em props for working on those streets. Bloods & crips, seedy dark alleys. Not knowing if you are making it home alivr
😂🤣 yes and their officers are the friendliest and most understanding. If Rodney King is how they deal with traffic stops I would hate to see how they deal with real crooks.
DTA. Don't trust anyone. Rocky said it in the movie. Good advice. And yes the government has reasons to hide truth, sometimes for nefarious reasons, and sometimes for "national interest". I try to watch out for people trying to get me to join any side, cause they often have their own political reasons. We're getting played by the left and the right. The one-two sucker punch. Distract. Divide. Conquer.
Watson is a monster. Have saved to my like list, will always keep it, Sharon Tate's Mother speaking directly to Watson at a parole hearing. She eloquently tore him apart. RIP Mrs. Tate.
@@nottadumbass7518 That's the exact opposite of what he does. In his book he lays out all of the facts and evidence he uncovers without speculating on what he can't prove.
If we start violating attorney-client privilege then we worsen the chances of a fair trial. Tex watson’s attorney does not want the tapes made public because there were 3 aspects of Sharon Tate’s murder that could add torture to Tex’s charges. 1. The slash across her face to “make her be quiet” 2. The stab wound in the back of the thigh to keep her from kicking at Tex. And 3. That she was hung while being stabbed. If torture was added to Tex’s charges the only 2 outcomes was life without parole and death. Boyd was a smart man and his plan was to get Tex sentence reduced and hospitalized instead of in prison
That logic doesn't apply to the LAPD though. Why won't they release the tapes? If the tapes corroborate or at least mostly corroborate the official narrative at the trial then they would have incentive to release it to the public. They could refute accusations of wrong doing by O'Neil or whoever else, but instead they still refuse to let them go.
They found a body off of Mulholland back in the day with like 150 stab wounds, a missing teen. I'm guessing the family had done things like this because of the speed leading to rage overkill.
@imtheitchyouneedtoscratch I remember a show, not sure which one, where a guy used a counter and another guy stabbed a dummy and it was mind blowing how hard it would be to stab that many times.
Im sure its because they convicted someone else of a murder/murders that the manson family actually claimed responsibility for. They would rather let that person rot in jail than have to pay them for the years they spend in prison.
If the authorities in LA have these tapes that O neil discusses here, forget it. It's likely gone. If it isn't, the only way anyone will hear it is if someone leaks it.
I can say I have a tape of OJ killing Nicole that doesn't mean I do. To many conspiracy theories about this. If you dig long enough you will find something that you can twist to fit whatever narrative you want. What ever happened to being crazy? Everyone wants to feel important and like they know what everyone else doesn't.
@@gchong506 I think the problem here is that there may be a tape or two but it's largely talk unless something material and substantive can be shown to support it. Conspiracy culture is certainly a subculture that has consumed America and that's a problem because it is not based on real skepticism but posing as a skeptic, not using doubt but the semblance of doubt. So people are going to easily fall for conspiracies because they don't think critically but think they are thinking critically.
@@MultiSmartass1 That may be true. However with social media it is a whole new monster. Imagine the stories if social media was around when the Tate murders happened. The more people who pass away that was involved, the more stories and theories will follow because they can't be refuted. Some have merrit and some just B.S from people wanting to be involved.
Release the LAPD case files, FBI case files, CIA files, and the Criminal Justice files on the case, to historians and journalists and others, and let history make the final judgement on this case. Enough of the Bugliosi tale. The US govt liked it, Hollywood loved it, but that is not justice. Justice is truth, the whole truth, and the whole story. True justice for Sharon and the others. American justice? Sounds like a good idea.
I disagree. Yes, he certainly was in the top 5 crazies, but I think the most insane ones out of the family were obviously Manson and Steve “Clem” Grogan
Vince Bugliosi was fib'n a lot along the way, in my opinion. That's just me. I think he trumped-up a lot of BS along the way. They never did explain how Charlie stopped the wall clock in the courtroom, and he told them he was going to do it, before he did it. That scared the crap out of Vince.
Because there is still a very small chance parole can be made. If the truth be told about everything there would be zero chance of parole. If the truth be told about everything there would be new charges and possibly a trip back to death row.
Yep, very true. There's really nothing mysterious about these slaughters caused by Manson. Over the years we've learned more and more about similar cults like Jim Jones, David Koresh, the Nvxim creep etc.
During the Gary Hinman trial, Bobby Beausoleil shared a holding cell with Manson. Bobby says Manson told him the Tate murders happened because of Terry Melcher's rejection of Manson's music. That interview is in the documentary: Manson: The Lost Tapes. Manson himself corroborated Bobby's story in three interviews.
@Damon Davis ... Absolutely correct. The copycat motive was ONE of the reasons. But why was 10050 Cielo Drive specifically chosen? They could've gone anywhere for copycat killings. Manson himself said Cielo Drive was chosen because of Terry Melcher. (He said this in 3 interviews: Ron Reagan Jr., Bill Scanlon Murphy and Diane Sawyer.) This is backed up by what Bobby Beausoleil says Manson told him. This is backed up by what Susan Atkins first told police. So the killings at Cielo Drive had two motives. Excuse the pun... but they were killing TWO birds with one stone.
@@paulhart3812 No, Tex had started dealing drugs big time, he got framed, Jay Sebring was a big cat, Tex went for him. The cover up was to hide high society involvement with drug dealing, Mr. 'coffee' Folger, Abigail's father poured huge sums to make sure that those who knew the truth (Bugliosi) never talked, Manson happened to be there at the wrong time, he had nothing to do with any of this, he was a car thief.
@@rosesprog1722 ... I'm only going by what Manson himself said in several interviews. Whenever he was asked WHY the house at 10050 Cielo Drive was chosen for the murders, he says it was because of Terry Melcher. Watch the Ron Reagan Jr. interview where Manson says: "Sharon Tate and the others died because Terry Melcher broke a contract, and sent three Orientals to Spahn Ranch to kill someone." (I know who those three Orientals were, but that's a story for another day. They were sent to Spahn Ranch by Melcher, and one of them did try to kill Manson with a pitchfork... but that's not why Melcher sent them there. Melcher sent them to record Manson with a mobil studio unit in mid-June 1969. But Manson and the others THOUGHT Melcher was trying to kill them. Also, in the Bill S. Murphy interview, Murphy asks Manson WHY Cielo Drive was chosen... and Manson says: "Melcher sent this blonde-haired, blue-eyed Oriental to attack me. This clown told me to STAY OUT OF THE MUSIC BUSINESS, OR HE'D CUT MY HEAD OFF, and he wanted to fight. I ran behind a shed, and Bruce Davis fought him." This Blonde Oriental was Mike Deasy (a recording engineer for Melcher) who only appeared Asian. He wasn't. This is why Susan Atkins said the killings at Cielo Drive were to put the "fear of God in Melcher." According to Manson, the killings at Sharon Tate's house were retaliation for this attack at Spahn's Ranch, and Melcher's broken promises.
@@paulhart3812 If you want to scare someone you don't kill those who moved in your old house, they have nothing to do with this contract business, that's ridiculous. Melcher had not broken a contract, just a possibility and Deasy had overdosed and freaked out, he wasn't there to attack anyone, only to record some demos. Manson had nothing to do with those murders, Atkins can say what she want they all tried to implicate Charlie to get the same deal Linda got, they lied. Only a big drug deal gone bad makes sense. Just watch a few minutes of this: ua-cam.com/video/9QNkCqdpryI/v-deo.html
It seems from one of O'Neill's instagram post that one if not all in that house were the target. I say this because Jay Sebrings house wires were cut the night prior to the murders similar to the Tate houses
My mom sent a letter to manson in 1996 in middle school asking why he killed sharon tate and jay sebring and everyone else and he sent back a letter so horrible the teacher wouldnt let her read it!
It may not have been from Charlie. He had friends that would look through his mail first and give Charlie the "good ones" , and sometimes his other friends would answer when Charlie never even saw the letter. Also, his mail was most likely stolen many times and you never know what kind of nut wrote that letter. Charlie liked kids and I find it very hard to believe that he would speak to a child that way
Thanks to Joe R. for giving this author's research more publicity. I have read his book and it is required reading in the "intellience agencies dirty tricks" field. Although this interview is very revealing, no question.
6:30 if Leslie Van Houten’s attorney wants the tapes because he thinks they’d benefit her and support what she’s been saying all these years about the murders and the “Family” then most likely the tapes would SUPPORT the “official” version of the story, NOT reveal some new and earth-shattering revelation about what when on. Outside of her courtroom antics, Leslie has always maintained that Manson was in charge at the ranch and the night of the murders, AND she was recorded as far back as November of 1969 telling detectives about the Helter Skelter concept Charlie taught them about and about how she and a number of the more hardcore members believed it. This was before the police officially announced murder indictments and before everyone was rounded up, long before the trial. ONeill causally reports about Leslie’s attorney wanting access to the tapes because it supports her story. Leslie’s story is more in line with the narrative Bugliosi wrote about.
No, that's not true. Van Houten was just a cult member. She had no idea what Manson's true motives were or who he may have been working with. The only group member who may have been privy to that would be Watson. O'neil found 2 interviews where Bugliosi claimed he believed that Manson himself did not believe Helter Skelter even if he convinced his followers to. I'd suggest actually reading the book instead of reacting to a 7 min video clip.
@@David-sl6xf You’re not contradicting anything I said. I never claimed Leslie knew Manson’s inner motives. Just that her lawyer may want the tapes because he thinks they would bolster Leslie’s version of events with respect to who was in charge at the ranch in general and who was in charge the night of the murders she was involved in and possibly the reasons discussed at the time by Manson for why they were happening (whether they were his true reasons or not). Leslie knowing whatever was truly going on in Manson’s head or who he may or may not have been working with was not the point of my comment. And I not only listened to the entirety of this interview and not just the short clip, but I indeed read the book. And did the audio version later.
@@ollihp I cant find a good source that Maj. Peter Folger was intelligence, and Major isnt that high of an officer rank neccesarily, I think that his status as being a Folger heir is obviously striking but we already knew all those folks were filthy rich. I think in terms of possible alterior motive when the main stream story seems to have major inconsistencies in the stated motive.
@@whatabouttheearth If you're a newbie, best place to start is w/ Miles Mathis' breakdown of the 1969 psyop. As for maj. Folger & col. Tate, there's lots of non mainstream data & links on this site; cmkxunofficial.proboards.com/thread/11223/charles-manson-murders-faked
He said that those tapes could prove that Leslie Van Houten has been telling the truth...... does anyone know what Leslie Van Houten’s story is on the murders?
Tex killed everyone, Leslie and Patricia stabbed the bodies after they were already dead and Susan never killed anyone. Tex has already said this in jail with no communication with the other girls, and Susan also said this about ten years after the trial with no way of collaborating with tex, so I don’t know y this guy is going on about the tapes. Tex has admitted to everything in interviews in jail.
Turk This dudes book is a fantastical joke for all the jre shroods that think lsd n dmt makes everything cool n ligit. The real story is in Neil sanders book. It wasn’t the cia that had a gun to everyone’s head it was the mafia. The DA was mafia.
This whole thing makes so much more sense if you're familiar with Dave McGowan's 2014 book, _Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & The Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream_ . McGowan: "To the extent that [the book] has a central thesis, I would say that it is that the music and counterculture scene that sprung to life in the 1960s was not the organic, grassroots resistance movement that it is generally perceived to be, but rather a movement that was essentially manufactured and steered. And a corollary to that would be that for a scene that was supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding, there was a very dark, violent underbelly that this book attempts to expose..." "...Hippie culture is now viewed as synonymous with the anti-war movement, but as the book points out, that wasn’t always the case. A thriving anti-war movement existed before the first hippie emerged on the scene, along with a women’s rights movement, a black empowerment/Black Panther movement, and various other movements aimed at bringing about major changes in society. All of that was eclipsed by and subsumed by the hippies and flower children, who put a face on those movements that was offensive to mainstream America and easy to demonize." dangerousminds.net/comments/classic_rock_conspiracy_theory_weird_scenes_inside_the_canyon
Well, of course by 1969 the creeps moved in to take advantage of the soft culture… That doesn’t mean the counter-culture movement was evil.. Lol.. Really, people… Stop listening to crackpots..
@@jacobjones5269 - Have you read McGowan's book and looked at all the strange facts & contradictions he presents? Have you read Tom O'Neill's book? What makes you so quickly dismiss them as "crackpots"?
@@ModernPlague There are plenty of books out there that blame Himmler for the Holocaust… It’s revisionist nonsense, written for fools like you that can’t accept truth.. There were plenty of bad actors on the scene in 1969-70, when the culture had become bastardized… Not so much in 1967..
@@jacobjones5269 - So in other words, you haven't read either of those books, and therefore don't really know enough to dismiss them so quickly & rudely. It's not "revisionist nonsense" to bring new facts to light---even if you find it disturbing to have to re-examine things. Lemme guess, you were around back then and can _assure_ us that the entire scene was genuine because you had some really groovy trips, right?
@@jumpingeezus5080 Even though he is dead, most adults born before 1980 know who Charles Manson was. This gray haired dude tells a story badly and drones on and on about non-relevant points. We need Joe to do a translation/summary every few minutes.
Classic. Rookie. Mistake. If he knew anything about what happened 2 the RFK evidence, or anything about The Black Dahlia, he’d NEVER EVER TRUST anyone from LAPD...
WTF are you a half wit? Can you read? Can you hear? Can you understand how to research this simple thing? Everything you said was literally moronic. One Rookie Mistake wtf are you babbling about ? Literally has nothing to do with reality. TWO no one trusted LAPD with the tapes, listen more, babble mindlessly less.
They probably won’t release the Tex Watson tapes because it would destroy the whole “Helter Skelter” theory. I’ve never believed that theory, always thought it was a load of crap. (No! I am not defending Manson or the family members.)
I read HELTER SKELTER by VB in 9th grade. It was a formative book and led me into a career as an investigator. Given everything involved, by all known angles - natural and supernatural - with the CIA, the Federal prison system, Rosemary’s Baby, Polanski and the Satanist Jay Sebring…and Charlie, it is the Deepest, Darkest Pit one could fall into in American Lore. It’s a story of Despair.
My oldest brother, a Vietnam vet, was reading helter shelter, in the mid 70's, while staying with me. He came out of his bedroom, and told me that book shook him. He had to take a break from it for an hour or two. He wasn't a fearful kind of guy. Going on his reaction, I never read it, but I have learned of it's content by other means.
Joe I'm a seasoned senior with you as a guilty pleasure. I like your interviews and most of your guests that are interesting to me but, your language burns my ears. It seems you do tame your words when your guests don't swear which I appreciate. Keep up your good work AND remember not all your listeners are young people.
This was a great broadcast Also still in my mind wondering why they won't release those tapes??!!! My God they release pictures of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Perlman's horrifying death photos which was the most horrendously excruciating thing I think I've ever seen And I'm still wondering why they even showed those photos but yet they won't release these tapes! It almost makes me feel like they want to perpetuate Charles Manson to keep making money off of this horrific crime for as long as they can... unless anyone else has a alternative view please I would love to hear it I just don't get it anymore
Its not about perpetuating manson or money, its about plausible deniability, lots of bs stays covered up because the real truth doesn't fit the American value or legal system we have drilled in your head, the military is the worst about secrets, and lies. If the public found out what really happens then ppl still alive and in power would be removed or even prosecuted and imprisoned, those are called powers that be, as long as there are positions of power there will be corruption
@@DavidWilliams-so2dy omG🤦🏼♀️ I'M SO EMBARRASSED- GOLDMAN RON GOLDMAN 🙇♀️ Thank you for pointing that out, my bad and also my very bad I hate this talk to text thing sometimes I forget to look back on what I wrote to see and make sure everything came out how I meant it but I did get a laugh out of that 👍😂
It's not to make money from people believing the HS Bullshit, it's to keep the truth from being known and prevent Manson being exonerated and the whole conspiracy being exposed.
the tapes will not be released, anything obtained through the freedom of information act that mentions anything going above local government and law enforcement officials is redacted.i think the main precursors leading up to the murders , involved Manson constantly being released after either committing a crime or violating parole.there was immense cultural and social movements happening that the government looked upon as " threats" ie ; black panthers , hippies , student union movements that all were I guess " extreme" to some degree in terms of shaking America's foundations for change in a liberal sense.all the government did was throw all these in conjunction with communism, giving them, especially agencies like the CIA, an excuse to to create programs and operate within community's and institutions.the tate murders just imo, we're a tragedy indirectly linked to allll this shit through mansons reality and perceptions.
So they just happened to stumble upon the house where the record producer lived that Charles Manson had a grudge against? And it just so happened that he no longer live there...... Wow you people that defend Manson are unbelievable.... But in the end it doesn't matter the SOB is dead and worm food now.
Why do we have the freedom of information act if we never get the information?? Same applies to the columbine tapes
Freedom of information is for their benefit not ours. We only know what they want us to know
It's there for the taking. The loopholes they're going to make you go through now that's another question
What about Columbine?
me me the tapes that she Columbine guys had made before the shooting, aka “The Basement Tapes”.
@@jimmyrussel5606 I didn't know those existed. Can you link to them?
The fact that even after Manson's death and LA still refuses to release the tapes, citing the tape contain information we already know, to me sounds suspect.
@Anonymous Anonymous Well there you go...This is satan's system; soon to be turned on it's head; or actually as i type. Seek Jehovah all you meek ones of the earth - jworg
@@rosskstar ain't no one wana seek no Jehovah lame shit who tf no one even likes that dumbass religion.
Anonymous Anonymous please guy. No one is out to get blacks. Only people out to get blacks are other blacks
@@andrewmesch540 Things you'll never hear a black person say?
@@rosskstar lol ahole
I was being released from Corcoran prison in 1996.. and I heard an officer yell that a prisoner was being escorted... When I looked at the inmate, I seen that it was Charles Manson... We all just stared.... He was a tiny man....
Tex Watson can never pretend to be "reformed", whilst hiding those tapes, knowing that it shows how bad he truly was.
He can pretend all he wants...no one's gonna buy it. He's the epitome of a broken toy.
He’s the epitome of evil.
I think Tex is a true and cunning psychopath. The fact that he wants to get out of prison to cash in as a televangelist is very telling
A substantial percentage of televangelists are psychopaths -- to do what they do to there followers, to demand the poor fork over everything they have so they can get that new Gulfstream G700, points to a mind that has no compassion.
I'm not sure which career path does more harm
@@JCLADOG -- Well a psychopathic serial killer does more harm at the individual level, but a psychopathic televangelist does more harm to a greater number of people so on balance the televangelists are actually worse. Is there any doubt, any doubt at all, that Kenneth Copeland is a psychopath? And, he's one of many!
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@@JCLADOG well said !!!!🤗🇬🇧
If the tapes corroborated Bugliosi official narrative, they would have been released. The fact they work so hard NOT to release them should be concerning.
I wouldn’t believe anything bugliosi says! This is a man who actually believes the Warren report!
Bugliosi loves the sound of his own voice and does not like anybody else having one!
CORRECT.
Sad commentary for our own govt. Proving how crooked this govt. Really is
Really a crummy thing to do by not releasing those tapes. LAPD should be really ashamed. There could be so many other unsolved mystery's in that tape that would give families some type of closure as to what happened to there loved ones. Not to mention we would actually be able to get some real closure on why a poor innocent lady who was 8 1/2 pregnant was slain as she cried out for her mother. She begged for the life of her unborn child. I think the people should know what kind of evil motives were behind all this and I dont think Charles Manson is the only answer.
@norman bates Other than saving there state prosecutors (buliousi) ass or some Hollywood elites (Polanski) I dont see a real reason.
Why would Tex Watson be any more reliable than the others?
CorbCorbin well depending on the theory that you believe in, you can maybe conclude that he was in fact under some type of hypnosis. Either by Manson or the CIA. You could even try to see where the story doesn’t add up which could lead to a better understanding. Not to mention he probably was very scared shitless and he confessed everything to someone he’s trusted since childhood.
@@CorbCorbin he said he was talking to his lawyer in the tapes so why lie when u have confidentiality ?
norman bates 🤣😂 have you never seen anything on the lapd?
Joe, this was one hell of a podcast. Appreciate you for sharing this with us!
@Clams McGee sad guy
Clams McGee god damn 😂
Ninja Lover you’re 14
Clams McGee imfuckingpressive.
Did he delete it? I can’t find it anywhere
These tapes need to be heard
They have be the truth, Tex wouldn't lie huh?
They will NEVER release those tapes. Maybe in a hundred years.
The DAs office most likely destroyed those tapes as soon as they got their hands on them. There's now blank cassettes in a safe. We will never know.
Maybe AFTER Tex dies...
@@stevem2323 Not for 20 hours straight. And why would he lie about killing MORE people? He was only hurting himself by recording those tapes in the first place
I'm the devil and I'm here to do the devils business....
...nah it was dumber than that.
And you were riding on a horsey!...lol
Are you real?
"The devil is not welcome in heawwwwww."
@Ninja Lover So THATS how that marilyn Manson song got named!
@Ninja Lover nah wasnt really in my area
I have to admire this guys persistence.
Wow the manson murders rabbit hole goes deeper than we all expected!
Yep 🤦
I truly believe that Tex killed people before the Tate murders. There is no way he never killed anyone, and then one day Charles orders them to the Tate home to kill everyone in there, and then he slaughters everyone like a pro and like it was just a walk in the park. He was obviously experienced.
@Roots Lifted maybe that wasn't the right term but hopefully you understand what I mean.
Exactly I always thought the same thing to.
@@RhythmBulzara No that was a professional murdered. He slaughtered her and cut the baby out the womb. He was a sick sob so was her husband Roman.
Buck knives and a .22 Buntline revolver do not a pro make.
It wasn’t meant to look professional,
Tex Watson was the actual killer, the person who murdered Sharon Tate, her unborn child, and the others. Yet, Charles Manson, who killed no one, was the primary defendant.
This never made any sense.
It also doesn't make any sense that Tex Watson went out to California to visit a college friend (fraternity brother?) in 1967 and quickly ended up in The Family and was carrying out gruesome, unhinged murders by 1969. Old Manson was trained in methods (LSD and amphetamine mix, hypnotism, behavioral habit adjustments, etc.) to achieve MKUltra goals. I doubt that the program had in mind that the people who were killed would be killed but it was very interested in finding out if Jolly West's claims about the methods resulting in "Manchurian candidate" actions could be achieved.
it makes sense in a court of law and that's what matters. Manson is not the first nor the last person to be convicted for murder and conspiracy for ordering others to commit murder. there is no mystery here.
well you could say the same thing about tyrants, tyrants aren't actually the ones doing the killing
@@betsyj59lsd amphetamine combo is no joke makes sense why I was seeing shit in cult classics. I really feel like they splice movies in order to activate something when you’re high on LSD honestly
@@iihigh6598 as a person who took a lot of psychedelics and hasnt in a long time I'm pretty sure it's because you experience new parts of existence, and when you watch something like a movie that's calculated and patterned you see patterns in the new phenomena and dimensions you experience while on LSD, while surely there are people who make art on LSD and so are creating the patterns intentionally, even if you dont do that and make a movie with patterns and themes that are uniform then when you view it from a new "higher perspective" the new informstion will also seem uniform and purposely put together.
Its like a blind person painting something based on feel and you seeing patterns with your eyes in the painting that make out shapes.
Where is Eddie when you need him.
The edge of the Earth
He would be going insane and screaming and shouting bad idea wouldn’t even be able to talk to the guest
He's looking into it!
Manuel Lujan : Eddie is prank calling Alex Jones and vice versa. Lmao
Manuel Lujan Balls deep into something you’ve never heard of.
Dude I wholeheartedly believe there are dozens of runaways that went missing during the flower power hour that can attributed not only to Manson's maliciousness and jealousies but also to Tex's Psycopathy. There are many graves on both Spahn Ranch and the outlying desert that ah never be uncovered.
I want to go and do depth scans of the grounds around the ranch, of something was buried their it would show up on the scans
They found several remains located around the area back in 2007-2008
@@gchong506 i see that they dug but i dont see any confirmation that bodies were discovered
@@mattbrown5921 don't quote me on this because I'm using my memory from watching the news back then but I do recall them saying something about finding a human bone because I remember saying watch them try to blame every thing they find on Manson
I think barker ranch would be an even better bet.
Highly recommend Tom's book. Incredible investigative journalism and a mind blowing journey. Great read!
this is horrendous. NOW i suddenly understand MR ROGAN you are far more than entertainment but also a safe platform for whistleblowers. my appreciation for your work is so constantly shifting, thank you for your work
Really? What about actual evidence and not hearsay! Smh
Thats a dumb comment lol
Whistleblowers? How is this guy a whistleblower he's literally just a journalist reporting on a criminal case? U r dum
This dude is not a whistleblower lmao
The "truth" of mk ultra has been out for a while. It is possible CM was involved in some kind of training/ testing. There's no proof though. It sure does make a great story. Dave Mcgowan wrote a book Programmed to Kill, as well as others that get into what was happening back then in his Laurel Canyon book, and what continues happen now. He's the OG of all this.
I just finished reading the book. It's great, but at the end the only thing I'm sure of is that everyone he talks to is hiding something scarier than the murders.
Spot On Correct.:)
Listen to John Todd on the Sharon Tate murder. He was a high up into witchcraft and said that she wanted out of the occult bc she didn’t want her new born baby to be a part of that at all and they couldn’t have that. The only way you can get out of the occult or witchcraft is through the blood of Jesus Christ. So her husband went to Europe to have the perfect alibi but he thought she would be alone. They hired and paid Charles Manson to carry out the murders promising him 50 thousand dollars for it. By the time the money got to him after going down through all the other satanists, he only got 2 grand for it lol. Sharon Tate was sacrificed and had to be killed bc the only way out is either through Jesus Christ or through death. Her movies prove that she was a part of the Illuminati and Roman Polanski was very heavy into the occult as well. He could give two shits what happened to her. He’s just as sick as the Manson family is.
@@blackjack2770 Nice schizo post.
Go back to Reddit with that horse shit.
Have any thoughts on what?
@@smileygladhands I would only be guessing, but it struck me as strange that the shiftiest people the author encountered were the prosecutor and that record executive guy. There was a recent movie showing the corrupt connections between the LAPD and music people also. I'm not a rap fan, but it was one of those famous dead rapper shootings that led to a huge drug operation using cops as hitmen. I know it's a stretch, but maybe Charlie was right in the middle of what evolved into the known CIA involvement in the crack epidemic. LA is tough to figure out because the organized crime there didn't involve the Italian mafia so much.
How about investigating the death of that defense attorney during the trial? There's no way that was an accident! Maybe that could be a backdoor to hearing the tapes?
I covered the trial as a freelance cub journalist. There was speculation that an insanity defense would be utilized. Never happened
The death of Ronald Huges has nothing to do with getting those tapes smh.
Amazing that he's not nearly as infamous as Manson or the three idiot women. Tex Watson commited by far and the way most of the damage/violence in all of these murders.
Tex actually did ALL of the killings, the girls held and subdued some of the victims and engaged in torture, but all of the actual killing was done exclusively by Tex.
yea, idiot Watson should have his lunacy crown; the teachers' pet of the c👁️a. More infamous than idiot Manson who was also an infamous 'student'. How dare those women steal the spotlight.
Plus Tex Watson was never charged for the murder of Donald ' Shorty ' Shea either 🤦🤦🤦🤦😳
This was the most interesting JRE episode in a long long time.
its a shame its been erased off youtube...
@@henrygaraffa5584 yeah why has it been taken down?
@@Fingolfin30 I wonder.
I went to a parochial high school whose principal was a Catholic priest. He was the chaplain in Vacaville Prison before that while Manson was there. Manson knew how to manipulate the system and used his time for "counseling" with the priest to stay out of his cell as long as he could. This priest audio recorded all of these talks with that maniac. I have heard a few very small excerpts from those tapes. Manson wasn't a dummy, but he was a sociopath obviously. They would discuss/argue dogma for as long was allowed. Point being those recordings did not fall under any attorney/client privilege. The priest has since passed but those tapes are somewhere.
I'm amazed some1 hasn't tried to make $ off of them.
Awesome, thank you for sharing your story.
Tex and susan watkins were by far the most brutal of the group. They were both fuelled by amphetamine, a drug manson was known to have hated and had refused to allow anyone on the ranch to use.
interesting!!!
Meth , high usage , no sleep , will make u hear things and hallucinate, Basically a working zombie WITH NO FEELING OR COMPASSION
All the drugs that the government created
Her name was Susan Atkins not Watkins and you seem to be unaware of two things in your description of who was “most brutal”: The question/controversy over whether or not Susan actually stabbed Tate (she very well may have not), AND the actions of Patricia Krenwinkel on both nights. I say all this not at all as a defense of Atkins, who was awful. It’s more about, maybe who gets defined as “most brutal” shouldn’t be determined by people who don’t know the case all that well. And my point is not to come at you personally but I bring it up because these comments are littered with people who talk as though they know the case but are clearly going by incomplete or even false information.
@@arlenemelson8731 I like it
These sensational events are never what they seem
Luv that they gotta kick out of the lawyer dropping dead on his treadmill.
Old friend well lawyers are scum
They laughed pretty hard huh
@@bravemise haha until you need one, right?
If I've learned anything from watching The Innocence Files, the L.A. police department is 100% honest. /s
#nightstalker
🤣🤣🤣
LA PD hasn't been the cleanest department in the country but i give em props for working on those streets. Bloods & crips, seedy dark alleys. Not knowing if you are making it home alivr
😂🤣 yes and their officers are the friendliest and most understanding. If Rodney King is how they deal with traffic stops I would hate to see how they deal with real crooks.
@@smith2781 are you dumb?
Everybody and go buy this guy's book. I just finished it myself. Do your part to support a True American Hero!
All these years Manson was played the blame for those murders.
Tex Watson was the real person who perpetrated those murders with his own hands
To discredit Manson's role in those murders is dumb.
@@DontDrinkthatstuff Naa you are.
@@HALFBREEDxBILLYxGRAM wow. profound lol
I think Tex would have killed without Manson eventually, but it Manson's fault they chose to kill the people they did.
Shocking how many people still believe the government
Beats believing you. You give zero reasons to back up your comment. Go home n give your thought process a vitamin
@@picassoboy52 All it takes is a brain and a little bit of critical thinking to realize how corrupt our government is.
@@picassoboy52 what world do you live in my guy
DTA. Don't trust anyone. Rocky said it in the movie. Good advice. And yes the government has reasons to hide truth, sometimes for nefarious reasons, and sometimes for "national interest". I try to watch out for people trying to get me to join any side, cause they often have their own political reasons. We're getting played by the left and the right. The one-two sucker punch. Distract. Divide. Conquer.
george Carlin once said : First rule - don't believe what the government tells you !
There was Dallas, from Phoenix; Cleveland - he was from Detroit; and Tex... well, I don't remember where Tex come from
The nostalgia reading this gave me chills
Evan Schroeder 😂🤣😂
Texas obviously Lmao
Get down! And shut up!
Lt Dan... “get down, shut up!”
Watson is a monster. Have saved to my like list, will always keep it, Sharon Tate's Mother speaking directly to Watson at a parole hearing. She eloquently tore him apart. RIP Mrs. Tate.
'I will eat my hat...' love Mrs. Tate
This guy needs more recognition
For what? He just speculates
@@nottadumbass7518 read the book
@@nottadumbass7518 yup.... finally a comment i can agree with here
@@nottadumbass7518 That's the exact opposite of what he does. In his book he lays out all of the facts and evidence he uncovers without speculating on what he can't prove.
Toms laugh/giggle at 4:30 is nothing short of a day maker. Thanks JoeRogan for doing your thing.
Leap Year I’m crying from laughing so hard. Thank you for further serving your UA-cam community by pointing it out. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tex never had the makings of a varsity athlete
Lmao
Small hands
Oksana Gilroy it’s what his father always said
You don’t like what I say? get outta my house!
Ya hear the one about the Chinese Godfather? He made ‘em an offer they couldn’t understand.
If we start violating attorney-client privilege then we worsen the chances of a fair trial. Tex watson’s attorney does not want the tapes made public because there were 3 aspects of Sharon Tate’s murder that could add torture to Tex’s charges. 1. The slash across her face to “make her be quiet” 2. The stab wound in the back of the thigh to keep her from kicking at Tex. And 3. That she was hung while being stabbed. If torture was added to Tex’s charges the only 2 outcomes was life without parole and death. Boyd was a smart man and his plan was to get Tex sentence reduced and hospitalized instead of in prison
Yeah good point never thought about that. She was hung up first then stabbed
NOPE.
That logic doesn't apply to the LAPD though. Why won't they release the tapes? If the tapes corroborate or at least mostly corroborate the official narrative at the trial then they would have incentive to release it to the public. They could refute accusations of wrong doing by O'Neil or whoever else, but instead they still refuse to let them go.
@@David-sl6xf Tex’s lawyer is the owner of the so-called Tex tapes, not the LAPD.
Exactly! They did it and bugliosi proved it. This is irrelevant amd immaterial.
Whether the truth is there or not why would they keep it hidden after all these years
They will lose credibility - and it would come out that Charlie was a scapegoat and used to make money !
For the same reasons they created this false narrative, made Manson a Patsy and covered up the truth.
Buy this book. Tom kicks ass and really dug deep. Great read. Please do it.!!
The Dr. Jolly West rabbit hole might be the deepest and most interesting dive ever I've ever experienced on the internet.
He’s a real piece of work
They found a body off of Mulholland back in the day with like 150 stab wounds, a missing teen. I'm guessing the family had done things like this because of the speed leading to rage overkill.
There was more than one found
Reet Jurvetson and was found with 157 stab wounds 😳🤦😡💔😪
@imtheitchyouneedtoscratch I remember a show, not sure which one, where a guy used a counter and another guy stabbed a dummy and it was mind blowing how hard it would be to stab that many times.
i just wish i could hear those tapes man
Why do you need to wish to hear them? Just use your supernatural powers to know what's on them. *rolling my eyes*
Woah. I’m dying to know what’s on those tapes that they won’t release them
Probably the truth
Im sure its because they convicted someone else of a murder/murders that the manson family actually claimed responsibility for. They would rather let that person rot in jail than have to pay them for the years they spend in prison.
@@TheRandomVaper I'm sure you are completely wrong and way off base lmao.
If the authorities in LA have these tapes that O neil discusses here, forget it. It's likely gone.
If it isn't, the only way anyone will hear it is if someone leaks it.
@Mr P Your comparison doesn't change the facts . These tapes are likeky gone and even if there copies, unlikely to surface.
I can say I have a tape of OJ killing Nicole that doesn't mean I do. To many conspiracy theories about this. If you dig long enough you will find something that you can twist to fit whatever narrative you want. What ever happened to being crazy? Everyone wants to feel important and like they know what everyone else doesn't.
@@gchong506 I think the problem here is that there may be a tape or two but it's largely talk unless something material and substantive can be shown to support it.
Conspiracy culture is certainly a subculture that has consumed America and that's a problem because it is not based on real skepticism but posing as a skeptic, not using doubt but the semblance of doubt.
So people are going to easily fall for conspiracies because they don't think critically but think they are thinking critically.
@@MultiSmartass1 That may be true. However with social media it is a whole new monster. Imagine the stories if social media was around when the Tate murders happened. The more people who pass away that was involved, the more stories and theories will follow because they can't be refuted. Some have merrit and some just B.S from people wanting to be involved.
lmmfao that's funny as fuck. Leak "it"??? lmao
I read this man's book, CHAOS. I plan to read it again. It was absolutely riveting. I highly recommend it.
What book ?
It's full of nonsense
@@ReservoirPunk it's not read the book
@@morganbanefort181 i did read it and yeah it's a complete pile of shit
@@andrewrobert5019 it's not
What makes you think that it's shit
This is an incredible podcast!
Who can believe anything the murderers say? They were all trying to cover their assess.
Release the LAPD case files, FBI case files, CIA files, and the Criminal Justice files on the case, to historians and journalists and others, and let history make the final judgement on this case. Enough of the Bugliosi tale. The US govt liked it, Hollywood loved it, but that is not justice. Justice is truth, the whole truth, and the whole story. True justice for Sharon and the others.
American justice? Sounds like a good idea.
You're delusional. NEVER gonna be released not EVER.
Tex was the craziest one of um all
I disagree. Yes, he certainly was in the top 5 crazies, but I think the most insane ones out of the family were obviously Manson and Steve “Clem” Grogan
Is** dudes still alive
MarkRoss 9696 Manson is brilliant. He speaks in metaphors. He’s not crazy, he is a zen Buddhist in disguise
@@JamesOsyris Buddhists are not brilliant.
Pik Osyris
Well. He's dead.
Why is the full interview unavailable?! We only get edited clips now?! BS!
If the CIA is involved there is no way in Hell you will ever get access to those tapes!!! 🤭
the fact that they were never released is all the proof you need that those shitbags were involved
RELEASE THE TAPES
They already scheduled for release.......the Tuesday immediately following The Second Resurrection of Christ, five days before Wrestlmania 635.
OMG, it's Milton from Office Space. Just kidding, don't hurt me Joe.
....could burn the building down...
The amount of lowkey Manson apologists/fans in the comments is nothing short of sickening
The amount of typical sheep believing a ridiculous concocted pile of impossible lies are the same as always.
Vince Bugliosi was fib'n a lot along the way, in my opinion. That's just me. I think he trumped-up a lot of BS along the way. They never did explain how Charlie stopped the wall clock in the courtroom, and he told them he was going to do it, before he did it. That scared the crap out of Vince.
Anytime a journalist asks you to go on record, do yourself a favor and don’t.
Tex "real as a donut" Watson.
Na it was dumber than that something like Rex
and he was on a horsey!
Release the tapes
Release the Kraken...........
They will, the day after you are declared High Exalted Wizard Poobah of Earth.
Provocative. Hello from Papua New Guinea!
Hell yeah brother, cheers from Iraq
why not just go to watson and interview him without ever mentioning the tapes
Because there is still a very small chance parole can be made.
If the truth be told about everything there would be zero chance of parole.
If the truth be told about everything there would be new charges and possibly a trip back to death row.
You think CIA would allow those interviews to happen? Hell no. He'd get Epstein'ed before they took place.
bECAUSE WTF DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT'S ON THE TAPES??
Rex? - Shoot him Tex! - Tex!!
CurvyVic he said he was the devil, and her was here to do some Devil shit
*signals the dog*
Is everybody ok? The hippies sure as fuck aren’t
God that Mike was fucking great
Lol the dog food can to face
Tex has given interviews and he confirms Bugliosi version of motive. Leslie and Pat also when interviewed give the same motive.
Yep, very true. There's really nothing mysterious about these slaughters caused by Manson. Over the years we've learned more and more about similar cults like Jim Jones, David Koresh, the Nvxim creep etc.
Read the book
READ ABOVE SMH.
During the Gary Hinman trial, Bobby Beausoleil shared a holding cell with Manson. Bobby says Manson told him the Tate murders happened because of Terry Melcher's rejection of Manson's music. That interview is in the documentary: Manson: The Lost Tapes. Manson himself corroborated Bobby's story in three interviews.
@Damon Davis ... Absolutely correct. The copycat motive was ONE of the reasons. But why was 10050 Cielo Drive specifically chosen? They could've gone anywhere for copycat killings. Manson himself said Cielo Drive was chosen because of Terry Melcher. (He said this in 3 interviews: Ron Reagan Jr., Bill Scanlon Murphy and Diane Sawyer.) This is backed up by what Bobby Beausoleil says Manson told him. This is backed up by what Susan Atkins first told police. So the killings at Cielo Drive had two motives. Excuse the pun... but they were killing TWO birds with one stone.
@@paulhart3812 No, Tex had started dealing drugs big time, he got framed, Jay Sebring was a big cat, Tex went for him. The cover up was to hide high society involvement with drug dealing, Mr. 'coffee' Folger, Abigail's father poured huge sums to make sure that those who knew the truth (Bugliosi) never talked, Manson happened to be there at the wrong time, he had nothing to do with any of this, he was a car thief.
@@rosesprog1722 ... I'm only going by what Manson himself said in several interviews. Whenever he was asked WHY the house at 10050 Cielo Drive was chosen for the murders, he says it was because of Terry Melcher. Watch the Ron Reagan Jr. interview where Manson says: "Sharon Tate and the others died because Terry Melcher broke a contract, and sent three Orientals to Spahn Ranch to kill someone." (I know who those three Orientals were, but that's a story for another day. They were sent to Spahn Ranch by Melcher, and one of them did try to kill Manson with a pitchfork... but that's not why Melcher sent them there. Melcher sent them to record Manson with a mobil studio unit in mid-June 1969. But Manson and the others THOUGHT Melcher was trying to kill them.
Also, in the Bill S. Murphy interview, Murphy asks Manson WHY Cielo Drive was chosen... and Manson says: "Melcher sent this blonde-haired, blue-eyed Oriental to attack me. This clown told me to STAY OUT OF THE MUSIC BUSINESS, OR HE'D CUT MY HEAD OFF, and he wanted to fight. I ran behind a shed, and Bruce Davis fought him." This Blonde Oriental was Mike Deasy (a recording engineer for Melcher) who only appeared Asian. He wasn't. This is why Susan Atkins said the killings at Cielo Drive were to put the "fear of God in Melcher." According to Manson, the killings at Sharon Tate's house were retaliation for this attack at Spahn's Ranch, and Melcher's broken promises.
@@paulhart3812 If you want to scare someone you don't kill those who moved in your old house, they have nothing to do with this contract business, that's ridiculous. Melcher had not broken a contract, just a possibility and Deasy had overdosed and freaked out, he wasn't there to attack anyone, only to record some demos. Manson had nothing to do with those murders, Atkins can say what she want they all tried to implicate Charlie to get the same deal Linda got, they lied. Only a big drug deal gone bad makes sense. Just watch a few minutes of this: ua-cam.com/video/9QNkCqdpryI/v-deo.html
It seems from one of O'Neill's instagram post that one if not all in that house were the target. I say this because Jay Sebrings house wires were cut the night prior to the murders similar to the Tate houses
One of the best JRE's ever
My mom sent a letter to manson in 1996 in middle school asking why he killed sharon tate and jay sebring and everyone else and he sent back a letter so horrible the teacher wouldnt let her read it!
@Marky Darky well no one can screw off😊
It may not have been from Charlie. He had friends that would look through his mail first and give Charlie the "good ones" , and sometimes his other friends would answer when Charlie never even saw the letter. Also, his mail was most likely stolen many times and you never know what kind of nut wrote that letter. Charlie liked kids and I find it very hard to believe that he would speak to a child that way
Good she deserved it.
Time is a flat circle ⭕️
Ok Rust Cohle
Fuck yeah baby 👌👍🤘
With numbers 1-12 on it. Weird
You have a great show. Thank you for doing it.
"He died later on the treadmill"
"Probably thinking about you"
Joe: Savages
Yoel Romero: Savages
Thumbnail looks like brett farve if hed been cut from the packers 😂
Best comment
Lololol true
He couldn't cough up all the $$$ to pay back
Can you number the video segments so it's easier to file the flow of the discussion?
Man anything interesting that’s ever happened ever will show up on JRE. Thanks for all the knowledge!
Strange interview. Tex is still alive. Why not just go interview him or correspond with him about the tapes?
Because he'd already put the kibosh on it. Listen to the video again
Thanks to Joe R. for giving this author's research more publicity. I have read his book and it is required reading in the "intellience agencies dirty tricks" field. Although this interview is very revealing, no question.
More paplum for conspiracy believing bro's
Couldn't John Douglas weigh in on this? Douglas also interviewed Watson in prison.
6:30 if Leslie Van Houten’s attorney wants the tapes because he thinks they’d benefit her and support what she’s been saying all these years about the murders and the “Family” then most likely the tapes would SUPPORT the “official” version of the story, NOT reveal some new and earth-shattering revelation about what when on. Outside of her courtroom antics, Leslie has always maintained that Manson was in charge at the ranch and the night of the murders, AND she was recorded as far back as November of 1969 telling detectives about the Helter Skelter concept Charlie taught them about and about how she and a number of the more hardcore members believed it. This was before the police officially announced murder indictments and before everyone was rounded up, long before the trial. ONeill causally reports about Leslie’s attorney wanting access to the tapes because it supports her story. Leslie’s story is more in line with the narrative Bugliosi wrote about.
*yawn*
Agree.
stop making sense
No, that's not true. Van Houten was just a cult member. She had no idea what Manson's true motives were or who he may have been working with. The only group member who may have been privy to that would be Watson. O'neil found 2 interviews where Bugliosi claimed he believed that Manson himself did not believe Helter Skelter even if he convinced his followers to. I'd suggest actually reading the book instead of reacting to a 7 min video clip.
@@David-sl6xf You’re not contradicting anything I said. I never claimed Leslie knew Manson’s inner motives. Just that her lawyer may want the tapes because he thinks they would bolster Leslie’s version of events with respect to who was in charge at the ranch in general and who was in charge the night of the murders she was involved in and possibly the reasons discussed at the time by Manson for why they were happening (whether they were his true reasons or not). Leslie knowing whatever was truly going on in Manson’s head or who he may or may not have been working with
was not the point of my comment. And I not only listened to the entirety of this interview and not just the short clip, but I indeed read the book. And did the audio version later.
Because the government was involved
Manson didn't actually kill anyone but I get why they locked him up, because it would've got alot worse
Oh brother, no you don't get anything. smh
Makes you wonder what really whats being hidden.
Lt Col Paul Tate, her was was Military intelligence is probably a major factor
ua-cam.com/play/PLgRoK-eyLjokNbuTECBm-MWhOa0fa0yhV.html
@@whatabouttheearth And ACIO Maj. Peter Folger, Abigail’s father.
@@ollihp
ACIO?
Do you mean ASIO? Australian Intelligence?
Who is Abigail, sorry I dont know too much about this case
@@ollihp
I cant find a good source that Maj. Peter Folger was intelligence, and Major isnt that high of an officer rank neccesarily, I think that his status as being a Folger heir is obviously striking but we already knew all those folks were filthy rich.
I think in terms of possible alterior motive when the main stream story seems to have major inconsistencies in the stated motive.
@@whatabouttheearth If you're a newbie, best place to start is w/ Miles Mathis' breakdown of the 1969 psyop. As for maj. Folger & col. Tate, there's lots of non mainstream data & links on this site; cmkxunofficial.proboards.com/thread/11223/charles-manson-murders-faked
He said that those tapes could prove that Leslie Van Houten has been telling the truth...... does anyone know what Leslie Van Houten’s story is on the murders?
Tex killed everyone, Leslie and Patricia stabbed the bodies after they were already dead and Susan never killed anyone. Tex has already said this in jail with no communication with the other girls, and Susan also said this about ten years after the trial with no way of collaborating with tex, so I don’t know y this guy is going on about the tapes. Tex has admitted to everything in interviews in jail.
@@JohnDoe-ij7et Because the CIA was involved with this and if Tex mentions they told him to do it, or another motive it changes history.
Turk
This dudes book is a fantastical joke for all the jre shroods that think lsd n dmt makes everything cool n ligit. The real story is in Neil sanders book. It wasn’t the cia that had a gun to everyone’s head it was the mafia. The DA was mafia.
@@JohnDoe-ij7et HAHAHAHAH
yeezy
Care to Elaborate?
I wish i could listen to those 20 hours of tape.
I wish you go skipping down the yellow brick road to Oz and ask the Wizard for a CLUE.
@@HALFBREEDxBILLYxGRAM what the fuck? Lol
This whole thing makes so much more sense if you're familiar with Dave McGowan's 2014 book, _Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & The Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream_ .
McGowan: "To the extent that [the book] has a central thesis, I would say that it is that the music and counterculture scene that sprung to life in the 1960s was not the organic, grassroots resistance movement that it is generally perceived to be, but rather a movement that was essentially manufactured and steered. And a corollary to that would be that for a scene that was supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding, there was a very dark, violent underbelly that this book attempts to expose..."
"...Hippie culture is now viewed as synonymous with the anti-war movement, but as the book points out, that wasn’t always the case. A thriving anti-war movement existed before the first hippie emerged on the scene, along with a women’s rights movement, a black empowerment/Black Panther movement, and various other movements aimed at bringing about major changes in society. All of that was eclipsed by and subsumed by the hippies and flower children, who put a face on those movements that was offensive to mainstream America and easy to demonize."
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Damn man
Well, of course by 1969 the creeps moved in to take advantage of the soft culture… That doesn’t mean the counter-culture movement was evil..
Lol.. Really, people… Stop listening to crackpots..
@@jacobjones5269 - Have you read McGowan's book and looked at all the strange facts & contradictions he presents? Have you read Tom O'Neill's book? What makes you so quickly dismiss them as "crackpots"?
@@ModernPlague
There are plenty of books out there that blame Himmler for the Holocaust… It’s revisionist nonsense, written for fools like you that can’t accept truth..
There were plenty of bad actors on the scene in 1969-70, when the culture had become bastardized… Not so much in 1967..
@@jacobjones5269 - So in other words, you haven't read either of those books, and therefore don't really know enough to dismiss them so quickly & rudely.
It's not "revisionist nonsense" to bring new facts to light---even if you find it disturbing to have to re-examine things.
Lemme guess, you were around back then and can _assure_ us that the entire scene was genuine because you had some really groovy trips, right?
Its obvious why those tapes are not being released because the authorities dont want any of the Mansion killers to get released. I dont blame them.
Well one just was released so there goes that theory.
90 seconds in and I am lost.
Wade Suhr age gap lmao
2 secs for me
I watched the entire podcast, had no clue what was said for 90% of it
It's english. Manson Family. Look it up.
@@jumpingeezus5080 Even though he is dead, most adults born before 1980 know who Charles Manson was. This gray haired dude tells a story badly and drones on and on about non-relevant points. We need Joe to do a translation/summary every few minutes.
Where is the full podcast? Suddenly gone.
Classic. Rookie. Mistake. If he knew anything about what happened 2 the RFK evidence, or anything about The Black Dahlia, he’d NEVER EVER TRUST anyone from LAPD...
Exactly, if he was smart he would've set up a meeting with some sort of local attorney he trusted and a local sheriff to legally acquire them.
y'all need to listen to the whole podcast
@@carrottoponcrak I did
WTF are you a half wit? Can you read? Can you hear? Can you understand how to research this simple thing? Everything you said was literally moronic. One Rookie Mistake wtf are you babbling about ? Literally has nothing to do with reality. TWO no one trusted LAPD with the tapes, listen more, babble mindlessly less.
They probably won’t release the Tex Watson tapes because it would destroy the whole “Helter Skelter” theory. I’ve never believed that theory, always thought it was a load of crap.
(No! I am not defending Manson or the family members.)
@nowonyuno Do you remember what the documentary is called?
I don't see why it matters anymore. Bugliosi is dead. He's the embarrassment. Release the tapes.
Um, actually yes you are even though you don't seem to grasp that you are, but um, you are right by the way.
Where can I find this whole interview?
I’ll tell you for $10.
Tom’s book is great….what a labor of love
I read HELTER SKELTER by VB in 9th grade. It was a formative book and led me into a career as an investigator. Given everything involved, by all known angles - natural and supernatural - with the CIA, the Federal prison system, Rosemary’s Baby, Polanski and the Satanist Jay Sebring…and Charlie, it is the Deepest, Darkest Pit one could fall into in American Lore. It’s a story of Despair.
Watch the whole interview with this guy and read Chaos, he basically explains how almost everything in helter slelter was total BSz
My oldest brother, a Vietnam vet, was reading helter shelter, in the mid 70's, while staying with me. He came out of his bedroom, and told me that book shook him. He had to take a break from it for an hour or two. He wasn't a fearful kind of guy. Going on his reaction, I never read it, but I have learned of it's content by other means.
Joe I'm a seasoned senior with you as a guilty pleasure. I like your interviews and most of your guests that are interesting to me but, your language burns my ears. It seems you do tame your words when your guests don't swear which I appreciate. Keep up your good work AND remember not all your listeners are young people.
So fucking what it's not 1924 it's 2022.
This was a great broadcast Also still in my mind wondering why they won't release those tapes??!!! My God they release pictures of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Perlman's horrifying death photos which was the most horrendously excruciating thing I think I've ever seen And I'm still wondering why they even showed those photos but yet they won't release these tapes! It almost makes me feel like they want to perpetuate Charles Manson to keep making money off of this horrific crime for as long as they can... unless anyone else has a alternative view please I would love to hear it I just don't get it anymore
Its not about perpetuating manson or money, its about plausible deniability, lots of bs stays covered up because the real truth doesn't fit the American value or legal system we have drilled in your head, the military is the worst about secrets, and lies. If the public found out what really happens then ppl still alive and in power would be removed or even prosecuted and imprisoned, those are called powers that be, as long as there are positions of power there will be corruption
I didn’t know Ron Perlman was involved.
@@DavidWilliams-so2dy omG🤦🏼♀️ I'M SO EMBARRASSED- GOLDMAN RON GOLDMAN 🙇♀️ Thank you for pointing that out, my bad and also my very bad I hate this talk to text thing sometimes I forget to look back on what I wrote to see and make sure everything came out how I meant it but I did get a laugh out of that 👍😂
It's not to make money from people believing the HS Bullshit, it's to keep the truth from being known and prevent Manson being exonerated and the whole conspiracy being exposed.
the tapes will not be released, anything obtained through the freedom of information act that mentions anything going above local government and law enforcement officials is redacted.i think the main precursors leading up to the murders , involved Manson constantly being released after either committing a crime or violating parole.there was immense cultural and social movements happening that the government looked upon as " threats" ie ; black panthers , hippies , student union movements that all were I guess " extreme" to some degree in terms of shaking America's foundations for change in a liberal sense.all the government did was throw all these in conjunction with communism, giving them, especially agencies like the CIA, an excuse to to create programs and operate within community's and institutions.the tate murders just imo, we're a tragedy indirectly linked to allll this shit through mansons reality and perceptions.
Tex went stone crazy!!! He's your buggy man not Charlie👽
So they just happened to stumble upon the house where the record producer lived that Charles Manson had a grudge against? And it just so happened that he no longer live there...... Wow you people that defend Manson are unbelievable.... But in the end it doesn't matter the SOB is dead and worm food now.
It is probably because the truth connected to someone or some people very very important and prominent.
Polanski is suspicious to me as well - he did not want that baby and Sharon wanted the divorce !
DING DING DING, wow someone who isn't stupid. cool.
Government psy-op gone horribly bad.
He kinda looks like Brett Favre
those tapes could possibly reveal that Charlie was a crazy fried outa his mind rockstar wannabe and thats all
Thank you
Then why not release them? Somethings fucky.
Yeah sure, he was "innocent".
WRONG.
You had something to offer humanity Joe. Pity you sold out.
That's what I always thought. The murders were so grievous that they couldn't have been done by first timers. Drugs or no drugs.
Love the book CHAOS!
And Manson didn't kill anyone in the Tate-LaBianca murders.
He tied them up. Under the law co-conspirators are charged with murder.
@@JudeCooper so he was there when it happened? Sorry I'm not familiar with the whole story.
@@amos660 He tied up the LaBiancas with Tex Watson.
NO SHIT SHERLOCK. Thanks for adding nothing to this dialogue.
I read the book. Why the hell didn't O'Neil push to interview Manson and the family more