Ultimate Budget Hi-Hats | Sabian vs. Zildjian vs. Paiste
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Your name is Minal yet I never see meinl cymbals in these videos!!!
Haha drummer joke
Probably doesn't want to be associated with them...LOL
Jim Workman lol why not? Terrific company.
Just a joke, no worries. Am planning on buying some for myself. From what I've heard, they're really good for the price...and that's one thing I really look for. Still a beginner, but as opposed to the ZBT's that are ruining my ears now, most anything would be an improvement. ;)
Jim Workman yeah, the Meinl HCS hats have a reputation for sounding terrific given their price. I played Meinl classic hihats for years and loved them. now have byzance traditional hats and love em more then I thought possible!!!!
i’m honestly impressed by the paiste. they sound amazing open. like wow
1. Sabian Xs20
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99. Paiste PST 5
100. Zildjian ZHT
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Dragisa Trojancevic xs20's are to bright I like the PST and zht
Dragisa Trojancevic AMEN
But pa
No "Meinl" cymbals? Eh? No one gets my pun? Ok...
Appreciate the videos a lot. I finally went back to an acoustic set after 15 years stuck playing electronic drums and had no idea what I was looking for. These videos helped a lot!
That's awesome Derek thanks for the support and glad you enjoy the vids :) stay tuned!
Watching your vids gave me the itch to buy myself a drum kit again starting from scratch. I love your vids man. Keep it up.
Really loving the production quality on these vids Ben, keep smashing 'em out!!
Cheers Chris yeah I really upped the production value on these new videos, glad you like!
Love your open hand style man! Been working on it myself, Feels more comfortable after some practice! :)
Cheers man! It's just the way that seemed natural to play when first sat down on the kit
The XS20's or ZHT's aren't really budget hats...they are budget compared to high end hi hats like Sabian Artisan and Zildjian K Constantinople. The PST 5's are half the price of both, and still sound quite decent compared to both...therefore better value IMO. Some Zildjian ZXT's and Sabian B8 Pro's would have been a better review for budget hats.
The ZHT hats are high pitched and cut well through the noise. Comparative to Zidjian Ks and K darks, they're not as sweet, but they're very worth their price. These mid priced hats are well suited for rock, pop and jazz. A used pair is around $99. That's not bad for the sound these produce.
I dont mean to be offtopic but does anyone know a trick to get back into an instagram account..?
I was dumb lost my account password. I love any tricks you can offer me!
@Briggs Tristan Instablaster ;)
Man your a beast, cant wait to be on your level of playing!!!
Thanks it's just time and focus. We're all on a learning path.
Love the hat part, great video man.
Great drumming as usual! Nice production and very informative
Thanks Sean, I'm trying to make the videos that I'd like to see on UA-cam :)
Ben Minal In that case, you have great taste in videos, dude :D
I wish I had learned as an open handed drummer when I was young. Simon Phillips has always blown my mind. Nice technique, my friend.
Well, just think, if you've been practicing playing open handed since you posted this it would be just as easy as playing cross handed by now.
@@Mike-ol7xp Good point!
See DT ex drummer, Mike Mangini
I know it's been said before but I just love the quality of these new videos! So informative AND very entertaining to watch! Thanks Ben!
Thanks Jeroen! A lot went into making them, so I'm glad it shows :)
Ben Minal Yep I'm a guitarist, but I still enjoy watching them, overall the presentation/editing, content and production quality gives the channel a very pro feel, I pretty sure your subs will take off as this becomes the "goto" channel for drummers everywhere. Good job Ben and team.
Nice playing !
nice drumming, Sabian sounded really nice thanks for review
Thanks bro!!! You cleared my confused head right up!! lol... Just purchased the Sabian hi hats on ebay. Thanks again, dude!
0:57 2:36 3:46
capa sin heroe
Thanks :)
I like the second ones
I think in a roll with the XS20 FOR SURE!!! Btw cool playing I like that ride groove you were playing during the ZHT demo
Finally! Someone else that plays open handed =)
Thanks-very helpful!
Paiste pst sound amazing, I play them in school, sadly I don't own a pair myself
Same with xs 20's
Good review, definitely making my next hi hat decision more enjoyable and easier to decide. What is that ride you are working with? I really like that sound
Thanks this video helped a lot thanks
Good information. Thank you.
I would go for the paistes it's a nice dark sound I just love 🤘
That hat gag was so unexpected. Hahaha
good reviews dude
I just bought a Pearl Roadshow kit and it's supposed to ship with the factory crapola hi-hats. This was a great video to help me decide on upgrading them, thanks!!
+DelDuio awesome thanks man! What did you go for?
I'll have to see what they have when I go to pick it up (it's in transit to the store now). Needless to say I don't think I'll be waiting much longer they're supposed to ship pretty fast.
helped me out alot thanks dude!
+Grant Black you're welcome glad it was helpful!
Great demo and nice playing! Man have the budget high hats ever come along way I thought they were all good I thought the ZHT’s were the best. Sabian was right there too.
First hi-hats I bought was a pair of 14" ZHT Mastersounds. I think they were $160. I'd recommend them to any drummer on a budget. I couldn't find one fault with them considering that they were $160. That is really cheap for hi-hats. I've since upgraded to a set of 14" Zildjian A Mastersounds. One of these days I'd like to upgrade even further and grab a set of K's.
i think you are a great player I like you unique way of playing too. keep it up :)
Love your set up! So cool! When you do fills, do u lead with your right or left?
Cheers Josef, I normally use a few more bits on the kit but I wanted to cut it back for these videos. I tend to lead fills with my left hand, but I I often break up phrases and swap to the right hand if I I want to finish on something on the right hand side of the kit. Doubles and paradiddle phrases are really useful for that.
Hi Ben, love your song Catalyst by Dorje. its on my iPod right now! love your videos!
I don't have much money but a really nice person on ebay gave me some cheap toms because they liked that I was a girl drummer :D
Nice!
+Alice The Geek Yeah what a sexist asshat that ebay person was!
+prague Please tell me you're joking
Whitebaer Why should I be joking? She gets special treatment because she's a "girl drummer"... I call BS and sexism 101.
I can actually see your point there, but what he meant was that he didn't see enough girl drummers where he lived and wanted to help me get started so that I could become something.
Sabian. b20 alloy for not much money. and they always sound great!
Dat floor tom! dayum sounds goood!
You need to do an updated vid of this. Zildjian I series vs Sabian B8X vs Meinl HCS. Maybe even throw the Wuhan western style thin hats into the mix.
I thought the paiste cymbals spider good but I use them for my kit. They work well for what I play!🤘
it would of been cool if the hats had there own mic, as you can't get the complete picture of how they sound, that being said, they sat nicely in the mix and overall had a satisfying timbre. yh man
Good video, but what PST series are the Paiste hats? I don't think you mention if they're PST3, PST5 or PST8's.
What's the kit? Love the new vids
I have a 98' B8 Sabian Hi hat and after all these years I think the sound it produces is very very good, lots of crispness, great stick articulation but also beef and body wich is what many hi hats lack of and I think the reason for this is that the Top cymbal is not medium weight like it usually is but it is medium-heavy wich is not standard. so I really think this detail makes a big difference in the sound the hats produce, after all I think hi-hats are meant to sound on the heavy side and not the contrary. So for this reasons I have decided not to upgrade and keep on playing my old B8's. Cheers!!
Hey, ben what cymbals are better the paiste 302 or meinl hcs series i got a used drumset with realy bad hi hats and i dont think those are even ment to be hi hats they are 14 inch crashes i think and they are too loud and i wanna buy new cymbals so i wanna buy one of these but i cant make a choice can you please tell witch one of these hats are better
I am going on stage this summer along with bands like Slayer, Rob Zombie, Avatar etc. And i am looking for cymbals, till now i have 20 inch AAX metal ride, AAX xplotion 16 inch and a 18 inch AA crash, and my favorite sounding hi hats of all time and the pair to go along with those cymbals will be the Paise pst 5's 😂
great video
Hey Ben when recording this video what kind of China cymbal where you using? I'm shopping for China's right now and the one you where using sounded outright awesome.
That is a Sabian HHX Chinese. It's badass!
That China cymbal is the most beautiful thing I have ever heard. It would make for a perfect breakdown for my taste
By far, xs20.. but I think Paiste Pst7 or Pst8 must be here, great test Ben!!!
I just got a set of Set of Dream Energy 15" hats for 165 quid. Premium sound, budget price. Highly recommend for anyone on a similar budget
Thanks bro
Thanks for the effort! But the way you miked these hats makes them all sound a bit chocked, need more open sound from the room or overhead I think:)
Hi dude ! nice video !
What is the music just before the Zildjan test ?
Thanx a lot !!
+Brahal hey man thanks! It was just some improvised jams from my band "Toska"
Very interesting indeed- agree with all the above said. A very 'groovy' format *gets coat*
Cheers man, cue bad joke drum fill ;)
Thanks for review, you ve been doing very helpful, thought paiste perfect sound and good price 😃
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
the first hi hats I ever bought were ZHT mastersounds. really a decent sounding pair of hats for $160 US. of course though, I wouldn't trade them for my zildjian A mastersounds. exceptional sound for $330 US.
For the money, the Paiste PST's are a really good line, not sure I would have them as a main hat as they are a bit to "washy" in the loose/open position, be not bad as an X hat though. (I'll stick with my medium 2002 13" hats)
Were the paste ones the pst 3? if they are they stand up well against the others for only being brass. But I liked the Sabian.
I purchased my first cymbals for my new Tama RM52 silver galaxy finish :-) after one month of listening to UA-cam tests... This is what I have chosen :
Ride : Sabian 21" medium Ride XS20 (112€) , Crash : 17" Zildjian ZBT crash (90€) and Hi-hat : 14" paiste PST3 (70€), which is by the way the best hihat I ever heard on youtube and sounds great in my home studio. I am not sure you tested a PST3 because I do not recognize the sound, maybe it's a PST5, I don't like this one, nor the PST7, and if it's a PST3 it must come from poor miking or a phase problem . I hesitated between the new Zildjian planet Z 14" which sounds quite good too, but I finally prefered the PST3 the sound is really fantastic. Honestly I was very disappointed with the sound of higher range cymbals, especially with Zildjian and Paiste expensive models which most of the time sound well in ONE type of situation or music style.
Just to say to the people listen and listen again before buying !
Hey Ben, what's the name of that upside down cymbal. Is that a type of
China crash cymbal?
hey just wanted to know which one is better as per u Sabian b8 or Sabian xs20 ?
Picked up an AAX set for $200 bones Canadian, got home looked them up and realized i got a solid deal :-)
Great score ! I've got all my cymbals cheap as buying secondhand.
No Doubt the Sabian's had the best Sound. Keep the Videos coming. You Rock Dude !!
Definitely the Sabians here. No contest, in my opinion.
+Dana Thursday Though I'm not a drummer, from all the comparisons I've heard of Sabians and Zildjians, Sabians seem to have a better value for money through out their range. All their cymbals seem to sound consistently good. With Zildjians their is a definite difference in sound quality from their cheap cymbals to their high end and mid range cymbals. Just my 0.02 cents.
+Doug Payne well Zildjian really knows what they are doing. I actually have those ZHT hats. They are fantastic. I have played on the XS20 before at school. I personally think they are too high pitched for me. Also Zildjian has been around way longer than any other cymbal company. The Zildjian family invented cymbals. Check it out. Look up Zildjian family on Google. It's actually really interesting.
+Senor Gamer Also worth noting here that Sabian was started by a Zildjian. Robert Zildjian started the company in 1981 after a supposed family feud. Robert formed the word Sabian from the two first letters of the names of his three children Sally, Bill and Andy (a nickname for Armand) and "-ian" (indicating Armenian descent).
+Dana Thursday I knew that actually. I personally don't think he knew as much. But really they all sound awesome. Every drummer wants a different sound for them. Cymbals are a great way to express yourself on the kit.
its all on the drummers opinion
AHH I CANT HANDLE YOUR SET UP
same thing here
would have been useful to hear some a/b high end comparisons.
With a low budget ... I recommend zildjian zxt rock 14 " hi hats... they sound great for the price you're paying..
What a flipping drummer
Do you use the moeller technique as it appears??
can you please do an updated version with the zildjian s
Ben, YOU ARE FUCKING AWESOME AT DRUMMING! holy shit dude you slay! nice
Haha thanks man! More to come :)
What snare drum are you playing here?
Hi! I would you like that you make a coment a about the Sabian xs20 complete kit, in special crashes and china. Thanks!
Were those the medium pst 5 you were using?
i think you have to consider stagg dh and furia hi hats. For me those hi hats are the best budget hi hats
I own the ZHT mastersounds. They cut thru everything. Very top bite heavy IMO. I really want some high end 16inch hats. Must talk to soultone about making some for me. I like them over the top big and boomy: ) Doom metal requirements I guess: ) As always...great vid Ben. Look forward to many more. Cheers!
If you want 16 inch hats just find some used zildjian a's...just get a heavy or rock crash for the bottom and a medium or medium thin for the top
Would you say that the Xs20's are viable for more open/ washy playing? I have a pair of PST Rock high hats and they just cutting the mustard anymore. Thanks for the help, great video!!
Yep that's what stuck out to me, for my heavier style the XS20s had a better wash sound to my ears.
I had XS20 hats, and crashes and rides for years. The XS20 are great hi hats, lower in pitch, B20 bronze, fairly heavy feel as he says. If you turn em upside down they have a bit more of a gummy, springy feel.
Have you played Paiste 2002's? My old neighbour was a session guy in the 70s and still plays them.
Not played the 2002s myself but I've heard good things! Maybe one for Season 2...
Love your drumming, man.
What's this weird china of yours?
Also - why don't you include Meinl cymbals in your comparisons? Does it have something to do with your name (lol)?
Thanks man :) That's a Sabian HHX Chinese, little beast! The same one Jose Pasillas from Incubus, that's the reason I got it a while ago.
I needed to keep these reviews simple, so I just chose 3 big brands to start with and I'll be exploring Meinl, along with others, in more videos down the line.
Glad you're enjoying the show
It would have been worth mentioning what pst cymbals they were’ as most of us know there are pst 3 which are entry level hats then pst 5 which I take it those ones were’ then pst 7 which are very similar to the 2002 bronze and then u have the pst 8 reflector series’ great vid tho’ the Paiste pst 5 are a great choice for anyone on a budget who wants some high hats that sound nice’ I personally use the first of the paiste alpha series 14” medium high hats at the moment’ but am thinking about going back to some 2002 sound edge which suit more of an all round feel’ imo 🤘🥁🤘
Whole kit on a budget next perhaps? Cheers man!
Cool idea, added to the list for Season 2!
Is this a Zildjian ZHT 'mastersound' or ZHT 'rock' hihat?
Only 83 quid. Great! What's a quid?
0:48 The Paiste PSDs don't cut through. They're dull and have no bite.
1:51 The Sabian XS520 are higher pitched and have more edge and cut through better than the Paiste.
3:15 The Zildjian ZHT are almost as bright as the Sabian, but are slightly darker yet still have a brightness. IMO, they're a good buy. And don't forget, you can always mic 'em a little louder..
one question: Why wasn't the bell of the cymbals demonstrated?
zht's and xs20's are very good for the money and i would recommend them to anyone starting out because they're b20 alloy and they just rock dude
ZHT's are B12 alloy, but they do indeed rock, I have the whole set. Planning to get a set of B20's one day
what about Silken O: !
Is your floor tom your kick drum?
I've had B8, Cambers, ZBT, and ZHT Mastersounds. ZHT mastersounds are the only ones that sound any good. They sound amazing actually. I wish you could have had the mastersounds in this vid.
What PST's are they? PST doesn't mean much. Are they pst 3, 5, 7 or 8's? The pst 3s are brass so dont sound as good as pst 8s, which are 2002 Bronze.
they are PST 5
Well PST5's are the ones seen in Dorje's Catalyst music video, so he must've liked them.
what is the name of the first hit hat? please answer
To my ears the Paiste. More dark sounding and very controled. I hate high pitched and too loud hats.
I stuck with my "14 Zildjian S series medium heavy mastersound hi hats..for me more than top for affordable price.
What size is your crash?
Love that 3.99 hat
what ride is that?
The XS'20's are the best ones out of the one's featured. Even better are the new XSR's that have replaced the XS'20's and are pretty cheap as well, too cheap if you ask me
Are these zildijan zht rock or zht mastersound ?
what Hi-Hat stand is that?
any eq on these demon or no?
Had Sabian XS20s a while ago. Loved them but didn't find them very versatile