Yeah, all this running around the muddy english countrysite... That's all I remember of it anyway. And Pertwee wasn't such a great Doctor. Haven't seen 5th, 6th and 7th, but so far he's my least favourite (Doctor Who ends at series 10, so there's only 13 Doctors, War included).
The only other time the Timelords have felt remotely powerful. That Timelord lands a couple a dozen feet in the air and his reaction is "Oh dear, my coordinates have slipped".
Interesting that the Doctor doesn't regard himself as a renegade Time Lord like the Master, and that the Messenger acknowledges that the Tribunal views him as basically a good citizen.
That shows the tragedy of the Master, Rani or even Davros. People with incredible vision and gifts allowing their bitterness or greed to take them down one of two paths where the difference was so slight but the result dramatic. The Valeyard or Timelord Victorious is how it could've been VERY easily the Doctor. If they'd followed the same path AS the Doctor or travelled with him imagine what good they could've done for the universe? They're fictional versions of historical figures like Hitler. Imagine if someone like him had used his incredible political and leadership skills but from a heart that beat with a desire to do good and believed in mercy? Who knows what the history books would say about him and how the world be like now?
Doylistly, I think it's because the script-writer wasn't expecting there to be a window in the set, and for some reason no-one doing the scene was on the ball enough to go 'hey, we should cover that up' (or they were hoping that the audience would ignore it).
The irony from both men is amusing, a time lord who thinks dressing in a bowler hat, carrying an umbrella and appearing a thousand feet up in the air is inconspicuous and the other time lord calls his dress ridiculous while dressing in a cloak and frilly shirt himself. What we learn from this short scene is that all time lords suffer from bad vanity, the master naturally, the meddling monk and even Romana, Susan is the only odd one out, maybe cos she isn't a full time lord.
Or else Susan had natural good manners. The Time Lady Rodan from the Invasion of Time was arrogant too, until a passing Shobogan rather snidely pointed out that she didn't have the basic ability to feed herself in the Gallifreyan landscape outside the Capitol. She became much nicer for the rest of that story.
Zak Rosenfeld It was a joke. Even Moffat himself said it was just a leg pull to solve missing run time. I got over that in minutes; it felt so obvious to me at the time that it was just a gag.
If The Brigadier was with the Doctor on the radio telescope when the incognito Time Lord materialized in the air to warn him of the Master,he'd be very surprised.
I think Katy Manning was probably the same. It was clear they both made one another smile . They had a great onscreen rapport that I don't think has ever been matched. And the closing scenes of 'The Green Death' choke me up everytime.
1:21 I like to think the War Chief from "The War Games" was the Master and therefore the last time the Doctor met him. He could easily have regenerated off screen into Delgado Master moments after he was "killed".
Yeah that's my headcanon as well. Absolutely nothing in the actual episodes to contradict it. I'll never understand why no writer has jumped at the opportunity. Besides, it makes the War Chiefs reaction to - and subsequent talks with The Doctor that much more meaningful
If Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart was with the Doctor when that incognito Time Lord materialized out of thin air & above the ground while hearing the TARDIS materialization noise,he‘d be speechless,even seeing 1 of the Doctor‘s own people being sent by the Tribunal quickly vanish after being told that the Master‘s on Earth.
No it doesn't. It just reveals how far this Time Lord travelled in the last step - 29,000 light years; or less than a third of the way across the Milky Way. The Time Lord did NOT say he had travelled from Gallifrey, that is your assumption. Another classic serial establishes that Gallifrey is in another galaxy - so not The Milky Way. It may have been a 5th Doctor story - can't remember. Although it has always been rather ambiguous.
@@schubertukGallifrey is close to the Milky Way's centre. Time Lords are active on missions across the universe, so this guy was probably just diverted by the Celestial Intervention Agency to pass on the warning.
@@travisoliver6741 Not on the TV show though? And starting to include other media as 'reference' to Doctor Who is largely a ruinous (if, I concede, also extremely fun) exercise.
Chris McWilliams Read "The Dark Path", it's a Virgin Missing Adventures novel that has the 2nd Doctor and The Master and explains the origins of why he is evil.
Sounds cool. I read a bunch of the Target books based on episodes (sadly I don't have them anymore) and I used to have most of the Tymeworm books with the Seventh Doctor and Ace. Sadly, the books are hard to get in the U.S. and kind of pricey even online but I will look.
Agreed Chris Stehlik. Such a silly New Who explanation because if it's true (Which it's not) then every other Tardis pilot ever seen on the show must be doing it too, because EVERY Tardis ever seen in the classic series sounded like that. Sigh...I generally like Moffat, but I hate that sort of nonsense that he throws in off and on.
The influence of the Avengers starts to permeate the show at this point. The Time lord is a variation on the ruthless, effete spy bosses one finds in sixties spy dramas.One question. How come nobody triggered the bomb before since they would have had to check the control tower to discover both scientists missing. And, as the telescope was so vital to the Master;s plans, why blow it up?
If Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart met the unknown Time Lord who came to 20th Century Earth to warn the Doctor of the Master,who he give him a piece of his mind for the Doctor getting exiled to earth after all the evil he fought against since he stole a TARDIS and left his home planet?
The Doctor should‘ve had worn the black fedora when the Time Lord came from their home planet to warn him about the Master. It did look good with the clothes the Doctor took from the hospital where he was taken to after he fell out of the TARDIS following his 2nd regeneration and the start of his exile on 20th Century Earth. Good that the Time Lord didn‘t call the 3rd Doctor‘s clothes ridiculous after his clothes were offended by the 3rd Doctor himself.
Are the Autons good here? Sorry for asking. Just speculating because I love the Autons here but some say that they are at theeir Lowest here or is it just me?
Would that Time Lord dare punch the Doctor in the nose if he called him a coward for not helping him when he decided to leave after informing him that the Master is on Earth and that there is an explosive in the room that he was going to enter when he heard the TARDIS materialization noise?
...how many other Timelords has The Doctor met? -other than The Master... I'm aware of one in the guise of a Zen adept/master revealing his presence to this (3rd/John Pertwee) iteration, and now I'm wondering how many other Timelords have encountered The Doctor... ...anyone know?...
Off Gallifrey I think it's about 9 including this messenger blokey and the zen master you referred to. Add to them the Master, Romana, the Rani, Morbius, Omega, Rassilon and the Warlord [or whatever his name was] - blokey in the War Games that a lot of people 'think' was an early version of The Master [arguable] but deffo Time Lord. To be honest no real idea!
T. L. Chivz ...thanks for the info... ...have other iterations of the Doctor met other Timelords (other than The Master) or was this a phenomenon particular to the third Doctor?...
Omega was Troughton and Pertwee in The Three Doctors which I think was the first time they did a multiple Dr story [it was also Hartnell's final appearance but his health prevented him being involved in anything beyond a sit down cameo although he does feature in the story he wasn't in any of the Omega scenes.] . Morbius and Romana were both with Tom Baker, Warlord was with Patrick Troughton, Rassilon was with the first 5 Doctors + Tennent and Capaldi, The Rani was [I think but can't remember clearly as it was during my military service so I missed a lot] with Davison and Colin Baker [I'm sure it was both.] Also Troughton and both Baker's had stories involving multiple Time Lords on Gallifrey [the council of Time Lords normally] one of which resulted in the Doctor becoming their President! I think that was Tom Baker.
The War Lord wasn‘t a Time Lord. The War Chief was a renegade Time Lord who gave him his technology to help him start the war games until he betrayed him after the Doctor interfered in their evil plans
Were the other Doctor Who stories from Jon Pertwee's era,The Silurians,The Ambassadors of Death,The Mind of Evil & The Daemons, restored in full color after they were shown on PBS in black & white also?
It hasn't been revealed when was the last time the Doctor saw the Master before deciding to steal a TARDIS and leave his home planet to explore the Universe.
Why don't the Time Lords just sort the Master out themselves? Surely if they were allowed to stop the Doctor from interfering, then the Master actively trying to cause harm has to be just cause to interfere?
That incognito Time lord who came to Earth to warn the Doctor that the Master is on Earth was a coward for not helping him capture that evil renegade Time Lord and have him sent back to their home planet to be permanently locked up.
The Time Lords are very, very big on the whole "No Interference" thing, which was why the Doctor was exiled to Earth. They only told the Doctor due to the fact that he was in very grave danger, but to have actually acted during that time period, that Time Lord would have been put on trial as well
That incognito Time Lord may have told The Doctor about The Master arriving on Earth,but he didn‘t have the courage to help him fight the evil rogue Time Lord & the Autons.
That's because they didn't believe in interfering, directly. They used the Doctor to do their dirty work a number of times (in exchange for looking the other way when he broke that rule himself). In fact, that was what got him exiled to Earth in the first place, that he was interfering with other planets.
I don't understand the fact that the Timelords in the War Games were so against interference in the affairs of other planets etc, but then in the 3rd doctor's era made him do an assortment of missions, breaking that very rule they had initially been so stern about. I guess they just turned manipulative over that time period.
In The War Games,the Time Lords had to interfere then when the Doctor called them for their help to return many soldiers from Earth's different wars back to their own times after they were captured by aliens led by the War lord,at the cost of getting himself caught by them after they aided him.
azure rainbow Pretty sure this time lord could of snapped his fingers and burnt every auton to the ground and imprisoned The Master in time but he just didn't bother
He's never named. But the Doctor has obviously met him before. He could be a new incarnation of one of the tribunal who sentenced him to exile, or just some random member of the High Council that the Doctor had met previously.
AubreySciFi His small page on the wiki says that he was a member of the tribunal, but the actor's page has this listed as his only Time Lord appearance. So I suppose it's safe to assume that, much like Goth from _The Deadly Assassin,_ he is intended to be one of the original Time Lords.
Probably standing in the door of a dully cloaked Tardis, and that pop sound is the door opening or closing... gotta remember the Doctors Tardis is practically ancient, its like a 1920's hand powered crank telephone compared to the latest Iphone. So you cant really compare how a proper up to date Tardis would look and act like.
@@lunammoon8503 ah see i have in fact decided to take it as canon that time lords can fly, so that does present a bit of a problem. but i think it's safe to say that the doctor's just an idiot in that regard. not that much of a stretch tbh...
It would explain Romana's line in City of Death. But he's probably just using a Time Ring with special extra features that let him hover the way a TARDIS can hover sometimes.
Would have looked better if he had a Tardis to materialise in on the walkway of the radio telescope. A red fire hose-reel cupboard against the wall or something. Jump out and jump back in instead of miraculously materialising in thin air complete with the Tardis sound effect and float in to engage in conversation with the Doctor. Terror of the Autons was an excellent episode probably the best for season eight except for this ridiculous scene which brings it down in my favourite 1970s episode list. This is unfortunate because it is Jo Grant's first appearance. I feel that this episode ties with The Mind of Evil but The Daemons was a shocker.
It really confuses me as to why it's impossible for the doctor to run into other timelords now considering they travel throughout time and go to other planets. There must have been exiles or outliers or cowards that weren't there during the time war. It wouldn't break time if he ran into another time Lord so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible
Well The Time lock that was put on the Time War seems to sort of split the universe into a pre-Time War and post-Timr War one. It's wonderfully strange and fits with the nebulous concept of a war across the fourth dimension
Could be standing in the doorway of a fully cloaked Tardis and the pop is the door opening/closing... gotta remember the Doctors Tardis is practically ancient compared to the ones the Timelords use so who knows what the modern Tardis are like and how they Function comparativly.
Blastfrom thepast Agreed. Simply elegant. No bullshit about gender swapping The Timelords or The Dr. No crap about pc gay rights nor innuendo either...I wish the writers would return to those days...and cease the let's make The Dr a woman...
It is obvious that not read the novel "Interference," Lawrence Miles showed how random and weird can be the regeneration, and Ace and Mike Yates have a gay touch.
Qualifications are meaningless if all you can do is commit crimes with them, high IQ low EQ that's the Master.Anyway clever people aren't always good at exams.
It's only a Sci-fi fantasy character in a Sci-fi series but just sometimes there are exceedingly irritatingly smug people whose throat you wish you could get your hands around. The Doctor controlled himself very well
Clive Mattinson I’ve only seen a few Jodie Whittaker episodes, but I, and other people I’ve read on the Internet, think that she’s doing a good job, and that any problems is with the writing, not the actor.
@@kamenriderspider5292 I've seen all of them. I gave her so much slack, even saying the same things you do, but it's a dual effort of shiteness. She doesn't understand her character and it shows (not that the writing helps).
Perfectly normal gentleman, unsupported a few hundred feet in the air.
"We Timelords don't care to be conspicuous.", he says.
Their entire civilisation says otherwise
Big collars
There was so much charm and humour in the Pertwee era.
Yeah, all this running around the muddy english countrysite... That's all I remember of it anyway. And Pertwee wasn't such a great Doctor.
Haven't seen 5th, 6th and 7th, but so far he's my least favourite (Doctor Who ends at series 10, so there's only 13 Doctors, War included).
@@Halo_LegendI guess Day Of The Doctor isn’t canon then for you XD
The only other time the Timelords have felt remotely powerful. That Timelord lands a couple a dozen feet in the air and his reaction is "Oh dear, my coordinates have slipped".
Time Lords*
You do know that a T.A.R.D.I.S can change Shape so his T.A.R.D.I.S is probably his walking Stick or mabe his Hat
Or, you know, he might just be using a Time ring.
Time Rings don't make TARDIS noises; they just spin you around through the time vortex until you're apt to vomit...
It uses high pitched TARDIS SFX in the audios.
Interesting that the Doctor doesn't regard himself as a renegade Time Lord like the Master, and that the Messenger acknowledges that the Tribunal views him as basically a good citizen.
"His Degree in Cosmic Science was higher then yours?" ((Old Shame Look)) "Well I was a late developer.."
That shows the tragedy of the Master, Rani or even Davros.
People with incredible vision and gifts allowing their bitterness or greed to take them down one of two paths where the difference was so slight but the result dramatic.
The Valeyard or Timelord Victorious is how it could've been VERY easily the Doctor.
If they'd followed the same path AS the Doctor or travelled with him imagine what good they could've done for the universe?
They're fictional versions of historical figures like Hitler.
Imagine if someone like him had used his incredible political and leadership skills but from a heart that beat with a desire to do good and believed in mercy?
Who knows what the history books would say about him and how the world be like now?
He graduated Time Lord school with a fifty plus one.
@@davidaston5773 That's the classic lecture Superman gives to Lex Luthor.
Love the surrealism of this scene. It reminds me of the Magritte painting, Man in a Bowler Hat (1964).
@Ian Turner It wasn't that strange to see middle class managers wearing this sort of clothing before the 1970s.
@@gentblue Very much associated with The City.
You know you can actually see the string through the window, guess the doctor was a really late developer
Doylistly, I think it's because the script-writer wasn't expecting there to be a window in the set, and for some reason no-one doing the scene was on the ball enough to go 'hey, we should cover that up' (or they were hoping that the audience would ignore it).
The Civil Servant Time Lord.
ah yes, The Permanent Secretary!
A tardis working perfectly: invisible, moves by thought alone and semi permeable. And a lot less noise.
Definitely prefer the Doctors
He is probably using a Time Ring, as the forth Doctor and co do in his first season.
And it saves a bunch on the BBC's effect budget!
Changes are he wasn't using a TARDIS, but the same device that allows for the interior to exist in another time and space frame.
love the way he says you look ridiculous in them clothes 3 regenerations later hello colin baker
I can only imagine what would of happened if he ever met Collin's incarnation xD
*Two regenerations later.
@@rockysandman5489 *3, Collin was the 6th Doctor and Jon was the 3rd
@@90sArchive Correct, I only counted T. Baker and Davison when I said two.
😂😂
I like the little eye twitch when the messenger comments on his grades. :-) For a standup comic, Pertwee is great as a more serious actor here. :-)
miss this era so much
2:43 that always made me laugh that he’s like “nah you deal with it I’m just the messenger”
Time Lords *did* go to great lengths to conceal themselves. TARDIS chameleon circuits, plus an extensive onboard wardrobe.
Ironic considering their pomposity
@@SamuelBlack84at home. For most of their history they tried to stay hidden.
R.I.P. Dudley Simpson (4 October 1922 - 4 November 2017).
How is that relevant to this excerpt? [I love Dudley Simpson, BTW]
@@schubertuk look when it was posted
"That jackanapes!"
Widmerpool99 it's funny how every epithet against the master can be said of the Doctor
Never forget this when I was a Kid. A Timelord dressed like a Civil Servant or City Gent whatever.
The irony from both men is amusing, a time lord who thinks dressing in a bowler hat, carrying an umbrella and appearing a thousand feet up in the air is inconspicuous and the other time lord calls his dress ridiculous while dressing in a cloak and frilly shirt himself. What we learn from this short scene is that all time lords suffer from bad vanity, the master naturally, the meddling monk and even Romana, Susan is the only odd one out, maybe cos she isn't a full time lord.
Or else Susan had natural good manners. The Time Lady Rodan from the Invasion of Time was arrogant too, until a passing Shobogan rather snidely pointed out that she didn't have the basic ability to feed herself in the Gallifreyan landscape outside the Capitol. She became much nicer for the rest of that story.
Ah yes the Gallifreyan class struggle
I guess this random guy somehow left the brakes on, EXPLAIN THAT RIVER!
Zak Rosenfeld It was a joke. Even Moffat himself said it was just a leg pull to solve missing run time. I got over that in minutes; it felt so obvious to me at the time that it was just a gag.
@@vdesatch6273 still bugs me
If The Brigadier was with the Doctor on the radio telescope when the incognito Time Lord materialized in the air to warn him of the Master,he'd be very surprised.
No one played the Master like Roger Delgado. That sinister stare. 😈😳😳
I was going to say that, as a kid, I had a huge crush on Jon Pertwee.
But I'm 48, and I STILL have that crush. 😄
... nevermind .
...agreed!
That's a bit worrying - he has been dead for years! I'm not sure he will be at his best.
Oh dear, sounds like necrophilia!
I think Katy Manning was probably the same. It was clear they both made one another smile . They had a great onscreen rapport that I don't think has ever been matched. And the closing scenes of 'The Green Death' choke me up everytime.
1:21 I like to think the War Chief from "The War Games" was the Master and therefore the last time the Doctor met him. He could easily have regenerated off screen into Delgado Master moments after he was "killed".
His method of hypnosis is very similar to that of the war lords too, hence 'learned a great deal"
Yeah that's my headcanon as well. Absolutely nothing in the actual episodes to contradict it. I'll never understand why no writer has jumped at the opportunity. Besides, it makes the War Chiefs reaction to - and subsequent talks with The Doctor that much more meaningful
The War Chief is Jehosaphat The Master the tuxedoed Time Lord appeared, gave the warning then faded out same as he arrived
Love the John Steed outfit nod the timelord wears to Sydney Newman's other cult classic show The Avengers.
2:41 is literally one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen
I agree Jon pertwee's version of the doctor was the best his character was a real class act he had a certain style.
Never knew a time lord could sound like a T.A.R.D.I.S
He's using Wonder Woman's Invisible TARDIS.
This Time Lord is awesome he might be the same Time Lord in Genesis of the Daleks
If Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart was with the Doctor when that incognito Time Lord materialized out of thin air & above the ground while hearing the TARDIS materialization noise,he‘d be speechless,even seeing 1 of the Doctor‘s own people being sent by the Tribunal quickly vanish after being told that the Master‘s on Earth.
or the brig would've tried to shoot him
And a Tardis has never worked like that again.
This reminds me of Q.
Incognito time lord my foot!!!
This is the story that revealed how far away the Time Lords' home planet is from Earth.
No it doesn't. It just reveals how far this Time Lord travelled in the last step - 29,000 light years; or less than a third of the way across the Milky Way. The Time Lord did NOT say he had travelled from Gallifrey, that is your assumption.
Another classic serial establishes that Gallifrey is in another galaxy - so not The Milky Way. It may have been a 5th Doctor story - can't remember. Although it has always been rather ambiguous.
@@schubertukGallifrey is close to the Milky Way's centre. Time Lords are active on missions across the universe, so this guy was probably just diverted by the Celestial Intervention Agency to pass on the warning.
@@tompearce5418 I'm not sure I remember that Gallifrey is near the Milky Way's centre - which TV episode was that stated in?
@@schubertuk Most stories have Gallifrey in the Mutter's Spiral, which is just what they call the Milky Way Galaxy
@@travisoliver6741 Not on the TV show though? And starting to include other media as 'reference' to Doctor Who is largely a ruinous (if, I concede, also extremely fun) exercise.
I mean he literally could’ve just looked through the window
I'd love to see the encounters between the Doctor and the Master prior to his actual appearance in the classic TV series.
Watch "The War Games". The "War Chief" is he, in an earlier body.
I thought that was just an unproven fan theory.
Chris McWilliams Read "The Dark Path", it's a Virgin Missing Adventures novel that has the 2nd Doctor and The Master and explains the origins of why he is evil.
Sounds cool. I read a bunch of the Target books based on episodes (sadly I don't have them anymore) and I used to have most of the Tymeworm books with the Seventh Doctor and Ace.
Sadly, the books are hard to get in the U.S. and kind of pricey even online but I will look.
It's available as a PDF file on VK.com. Here's the link vk.com/doc-5742320_72915864?hash=620780e4afc58eb283
Missy want the first mary poppins timelord xD
Don't forget the Meddling Monk, who was the first Timelord the Doctor met on screen, except for Susan.
I think PandaInAction meant Missy was not the first Time Lord to hover in midair.
*wasn’t
good exposition and CSO (71)
Is this Time Lord from the 'Special Branch' section?
(Those of you familiar with actor David Garth's previous role will get that joke!)
Theory: This Time Lord is actually Irving Braxiatel, the Doctor's older brother.
Uhm why? There's literally nothing to point to that. Wouldn't they be speaking with even the smallest bit of familiarity then?
Just realised who this guy reminded me a lot of: Mycroft from BBC's sherlock lol
Am I the only person wondering if that was Borusa?
I thought it was Braxiatel
it's Vansell head of the CIA.
MAYBE IT’S RASSILON
@@Super_Mario128 it's Adelphi
Why would it be?
"Look through the door... but be careful". Ooor, you could just peek through the huge window that lets you see everything in the room perfectly? 🤔
I wonder when this originally aired if anybody heard The Doctor had previous runnings with The Master and thought they missed something
So this Timelord also holds on to the brakes for its sound effect?
Time Lord*
Eugh.
I refuse to believe it's canon. Another reason why I utterly hate River Song.
That was a silly New Who explanation. Moffat would throw things in wherever he felt like it
Agreed Chris Stehlik. Such a silly New Who explanation because if it's true (Which it's not) then every other Tardis pilot ever seen on the show must be doing it too, because EVERY Tardis ever seen in the classic series sounded like that. Sigh...I generally like Moffat, but I hate that sort of nonsense that he throws in off and on.
Loved that style of TARDIS sound. Wish they'd bring it back, rather than that rasping sawing sound used today....
Andrew James Granger The sound effect used for the Tardis is literally r he same effect as it's been since 1963
I personally like the more sharp,machine like sound of new who,since it sounds more real to me
HarounAl 1 It's not different though, it's been the same since 1963
Is there a difference? It's the same sound. You the "fanboys" are so irritating looking for things to hate.
The one in this video has more echo, which I personally prefer.
I could guess the teleporting timelord could be G-man
Or Q
The influence of the Avengers starts to permeate the show at this point. The Time lord is a variation on the ruthless, effete spy bosses one finds in sixties spy dramas.One question. How come nobody triggered the bomb before since they would have had to check the control tower to discover both scientists missing. And, as the telescope was so vital to the Master;s plans, why blow it up?
The Avengers? I thought the Third Doctor's era was most heavily influenced by Bond
“I am Travelling Incognito.”
….disguised as *John Steed..?*
I adore this story -- and Pertwee remains the best Doctor, bar none!
Strange opinion. He's definitely my worst.
@@Halo_Legend Strange opinion. He's definitely up there with my favourites. Have you seen his later stories?
@@HerohammerStudioshe felt weak in his first season tbh, he grew in me while watching his 2nd. Not the best but better than most.
The Best One for me from The pertwee years! Great action scenes . Props etc.
The best season too!
Pertwee is my Doctor.
At 0:14, does anyone feel a John Steed vibe going on?
G-man warns the Doctor
If Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart met the unknown Time Lord who came to 20th Century Earth to warn the Doctor of the Master,who he give him a piece of his mind for the Doctor getting exiled to earth after all the evil he fought against since he stole a TARDIS and left his home planet?
Oh dear, don't go away Doctor!
Um can the Doctor not see the giant piece of string lined up through the window?
Um maybe it’s a time lord disability to look through windows
The Doctor should‘ve had worn the black fedora when the Time Lord came from their home planet to warn him about the Master. It did look good with the clothes the Doctor took from the hospital where he was taken to after he fell out of the TARDIS following his 2nd regeneration and the start of his exile on 20th Century Earth. Good that the Time Lord didn‘t call the 3rd Doctor‘s clothes ridiculous after his clothes were offended by the 3rd Doctor himself.
The best Doctor
Are the Autons good here? Sorry for asking. Just speculating because I love the Autons here but some say that they are at theeir Lowest here or is it just me?
Would that Time Lord dare punch the Doctor in the nose if he called him a coward for not helping him when he decided to leave after informing him that the Master is on Earth and that there is an explosive in the room that he was going to enter when he heard the TARDIS materialization noise?
This so reminds me of the character William Squires in anime's Black Butler...
...how many other Timelords has The Doctor met? -other than The Master... I'm aware of one in the guise of a Zen adept/master revealing his presence to this (3rd/John Pertwee) iteration, and now I'm wondering how many other Timelords have encountered The Doctor...
...anyone know?...
Off Gallifrey I think it's about 9 including this messenger blokey and the zen master you referred to. Add to them the Master, Romana, the Rani, Morbius, Omega, Rassilon and the Warlord [or whatever his name was] - blokey in the War Games that a lot of people 'think' was an early version of The Master [arguable] but deffo Time Lord. To be honest no real idea!
T. L. Chivz ...thanks for the info...
...have other iterations of the Doctor met other Timelords (other than The Master) or was this a phenomenon particular to the third Doctor?...
Omega was Troughton and Pertwee in The Three Doctors which I think was the first time they did a multiple Dr story [it was also Hartnell's final appearance but his health prevented him being involved in anything beyond a sit down cameo although he does feature in the story he wasn't in any of the Omega scenes.] . Morbius and Romana were both with Tom Baker, Warlord was with Patrick Troughton, Rassilon was with the first 5 Doctors + Tennent and Capaldi, The Rani was [I think but can't remember clearly as it was during my military service so I missed a lot] with Davison and Colin Baker [I'm sure it was both.] Also Troughton and both Baker's had stories involving multiple Time Lords on Gallifrey [the council of Time Lords normally] one of which resulted in the Doctor becoming their President! I think that was Tom Baker.
The War Lord wasn‘t a Time Lord. The War Chief was a renegade Time Lord who gave him his technology to help him start the war games until he betrayed him after the Doctor interfered in their evil plans
Which is why in my first reply I did add in brackets "[or whatever his name was]"
Is the 4-episode Doctor Who story Terror of the Autons on DVD in color? When it was shown on PBS it was in black & white.
azure rainbow it got restored several years ago
Were the other Doctor Who stories from Jon Pertwee's era,The Silurians,The Ambassadors of Death,The Mind of Evil & The Daemons, restored in full color after they were shown on PBS in black & white also?
All Pertwee episodes have been recovered or restored in colour.
Yes.
Thank you.
Three was such an odd mix of arrogance and humility.
It hasn't been revealed when was the last time the Doctor saw the Master before deciding to steal a TARDIS and leave his home planet to explore the Universe.
Doctor Who did the "pop!" teleportation effect way before TeamFourStar.
0:22 - 0:25 *Slide whistles play during it.*
Why don't the Time Lords just sort the Master out themselves? Surely if they were allowed to stop the Doctor from interfering, then the Master actively trying to cause harm has to be just cause to interfere?
Well they do. They sort the master out by setting the Doctor against him.
You don't keep a dog and bark yourself.
That incognito Time lord who came to Earth to warn the Doctor that the Master is on Earth was a coward for not helping him capture that evil renegade Time Lord and have him sent back to their home planet to be permanently locked up.
The Time Lords are very, very big on the whole "No Interference" thing, which was why the Doctor was exiled to Earth. They only told the Doctor due to the fact that he was in very grave danger, but to have actually acted during that time period, that Time Lord would have been put on trial as well
That incognito Time Lord may have told The Doctor about The Master arriving on Earth,but he didn‘t have the courage to help him fight the evil rogue Time Lord & the Autons.
That's because they didn't believe in interfering, directly. They used the Doctor to do their dirty work a number of times (in exchange for looking the other way when he broke that rule himself).
In fact, that was what got him exiled to Earth in the first place, that he was interfering with other planets.
I don't understand the fact that the Timelords in the War Games were so against interference in the affairs of other planets etc, but then in the 3rd doctor's era made him do an assortment of missions, breaking that very rule they had initially been so stern about. I guess they just turned manipulative over that time period.
In The War Games,the Time Lords had to interfere then when the Doctor called them for their help to return many soldiers from Earth's different wars back to their own times after they were captured by aliens led by the War lord,at the cost of getting himself caught by them after they aided him.
azure rainbow Pretty sure this time lord could of snapped his fingers and burnt every auton to the ground and imprisoned The Master in time but he just didn't bother
@@IG7799-c4u It gave them plausible deniability. They could always say the Doctor was acting on his own accord.
What's that timelords name? 😂
Tardis Data Core only label him as "Time Lord messenger"
They should've called him "Spiffy". :-P
He's never named. But the Doctor has obviously met him before. He could be a new incarnation of one of the tribunal who sentenced him to exile, or just some random member of the High Council that the Doctor had met previously.
AubreySciFi His small page on the wiki says that he was a member of the tribunal, but the actor's page has this listed as his only Time Lord appearance. So I suppose it's safe to assume that, much like Goth from _The Deadly Assassin,_ he is intended to be one of the original Time Lords.
"The little popping shithead"
Loved Pertwee 👍
...so is it canon time lords can fly?
Probably standing in the door of a dully cloaked Tardis, and that pop sound is the door opening or closing... gotta remember the Doctors Tardis is practically ancient, its like a 1920's hand powered crank telephone compared to the latest Iphone. So you cant really compare how a proper up to date Tardis would look and act like.
You'd think but considering what happened to Four...
@@lunammoon8503 ah see i have in fact decided to take it as canon that time lords can fly, so that does present a bit of a problem. but i think it's safe to say that the doctor's just an idiot in that regard. not that much of a stretch tbh...
It would explain Romana's line in City of Death. But he's probably just using a Time Ring with special extra features that let him hover the way a TARDIS can hover sometimes.
Think the Doctor met 6 timelords before the master. The Meddling Monk, The War Chief, The Three who sentenced him and this one
That’s not including Big finish though. He meets the master back as the 1st Dr
And Susan
this timelord is one of the ones who sentenced him.
@@thehybriddoctor39 no it isn't. Source?
Would have looked better if he had a Tardis to materialise in on the walkway of the radio telescope. A red fire hose-reel cupboard against the wall or something. Jump out and jump back in instead of miraculously materialising in thin air complete with the Tardis sound effect and float in to engage in conversation with the Doctor. Terror of the Autons was an excellent episode probably the best for season eight except for this ridiculous scene which brings it down in my favourite 1970s episode list. This is unfortunate because it is Jo Grant's first appearance. I feel that this episode ties with The Mind of Evil but The Daemons was a shocker.
He may have been traveling by Time Ring.
Unless he was travelling via an early model Time Ring. That technology was developed after the Doctor first left Gallifrey.
Either way, just get this guy grounded.@@tompearce5418
Superb.
Why is the Master called the master ?? Master of what ?
It really confuses me as to why it's impossible for the doctor to run into other timelords now considering they travel throughout time and go to other planets. There must have been exiles or outliers or cowards that weren't there during the time war. It wouldn't break time if he ran into another time Lord so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible
Time Lords are quite strict over time yet brutal if renegades step out of line. Just ask The War Lord.
@@sumthingwikked4257 Who? I have never heard of this War Lord a day in my life.
@@fireflygaming8764 He was the main villain of The War Games. It didn't end well for him.
The Monk and The Rani are probably still out there.
Well The Time lock that was put on the Time War seems to sort of split the universe into a pre-Time War and post-Timr War one. It's wonderfully strange and fits with the nebulous concept of a war across the fourth dimension
Why did that timelord materialize with a pop and in midair? And why not use a TARDIS ? Bit daft.
*he's incognito, shh you'll blow his cover*
Could be standing in the doorway of a fully cloaked Tardis and the pop is the door opening/closing... gotta remember the Doctors Tardis is practically ancient compared to the ones the Timelords use so who knows what the modern Tardis are like and how they Function comparativly.
he was in a cloaked TARDIS really!
I loved the Pertwee era - it was far more adult and puts the Chibnall / Whitaker disaster to shame.
Don't ruin the mood for others by whining and complaining about it everywhere you go.
River Song: It's not supposed to make that noise, YOU leave the brakes on!
Incognito Timelord: *Leaves the brakes on inside himself*
Goes to show how stupid that scene was written. Idiot Moffatt trying to make his mary sue character vetter then the title character.
That was a cool idea for a timelord, wish he visited more often!
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PROPER Doctor Who from a golden era before the rot set in. New Who can't hold a candle to this.
Blastfrom thepast agreed!
Blastfrom thepast Agreed. Simply elegant. No bullshit about gender swapping The Timelords or The Dr. No crap about pc gay rights nor innuendo either...I wish the writers would return to those days...and cease the let's make The Dr a woman...
It is obvious that not read the novel "Interference," Lawrence Miles showed how random and weird can be the regeneration, and Ace and Mike Yates have a gay touch.
Mayo Tango131 oh fuck off...
MT131 - Spin-off novels don't count as anything other than 'fan fiction'. And your post didn't really make sense.
Qualifications are meaningless if all you can do is commit crimes with them, high IQ low EQ that's the Master.Anyway clever people aren't always good at exams.
That green screen tho
At least they remembered to change the blue screen in this clip. Sometimes they just left it blue.
So Gallifrey is in the Milky Way galaxy? Just sayin'
We have no idea what was 29 000 light years away. Space station ? Tardis? Something else entirely?
We have no idea just what was 29 000 light years away. Tardis? Space station? Something else entirely?
_real_ Doctor Who, _not_ the abomination to the right.
It's only a Sci-fi fantasy character in a Sci-fi series but just sometimes there are exceedingly irritatingly smug people whose throat you wish you could get your hands around. The Doctor controlled himself very well
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It’s odd how unlikeable The Doctor is in this story, very arrogant and rude.
Oh the days when Doctor Who writing was wonderful
RIP Robert Holmes
Modern Who is utter shite in comparison! ...... Especially with that stupid woman! 👎😠
Clive Mattinson I’ve only seen a few Jodie Whittaker episodes, but I, and other people I’ve read on the Internet, think that she’s doing a good job, and that any problems is with the writing, not the actor.
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I've seen all of them. I gave her so much slack, even saying the same things you do, but it's a dual effort of shiteness. She doesn't understand her character and it shows (not that the writing helps).
@@warblenoise Apparently she didn't bother to watch any previous episodes of the half-century show she was going to be fronting.
Is doctor who the biggest load of rubbish or what
Why are people watching this
And yet. Here you are, regardless...
Because its fun, unlike you apparently.