Selecting Koi at Shinoda | How baby Koi are selected [KOI SELECTION JAPAN]
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Join me selecting baby Koi at the Shinoda Koi Farm! I’ll learn you the details and process of selecting Doitsu Kohaku and Doitsu Sanke baby koi that are around 5 weeks old.
You can try by yourself my listing the numbers of Koi that you would have selected in the comments!
It is early in the morning as we are preparing to start the selection of many, many baby Koi. We will be selecting two fry ponds that contain about 5000 5 to 5,5 week old baby koi. They will be selected for the second round. Together with Masanori Shinoda we have to drive for around 40 minutes, to reach the fry ponds.
For Koi breeders is it very important that baby koi are selected early. The reasons for that are simple. The more baby koi live in a pond, the slower the growth process will take place. So higher stockings, means less growth. Also when there are more baby koi in a single pond, it means there is more waste. That means a decrease of water quality. Senbetsu or selection is helping breeders to keep stockings low, grow out only the baby koi that do have potential, and offer the best conditions. And in the end, why would a breeder invest in his lower quality Koi if he can already see these Koi have not the potential he is looking for?
When selecting Doitsu Kohaku baby koi, it is important to know that actually the pattern is most important during the first and second selection rounds. This includes for example that the red pattern should lay in between the eyes. That around the head white is still visible, but the head should not be entirely white as well. A nice red dot on the head in between the eyes is preferred, also a white nose is preferred. Then for the pattern on the body itself it is preferred that some steps or at least a form of pattern is visible. The belly should be white, also the last section just before the tail should be white. This last part of the tail, when it is white, is called the odome. Preferable there is also no red visible on any of the fins.
For Doitsu Sanke, the basis is the same as for Doitsu Kohaku. That is because a Sanke actually is a koi with a Kohaku pattern (red patterns) but then also including black markings. When you understand the Kohaku pattern, selecting sanke as baby koi is not that difficult at all. The only part is that you now also have to pay attention to the black spots. Preferable there is a nice pattern of black spots visible, not too small, not too large. That actually is the only thing that is paid attention to during selection of baby koi. It is too early to determine how the black spots will develop and fine-tune themselves.
Sanke actually are very difficult Koi to select at a young age. Not really because it is harder to know what to look for compared with other varieties of koi. But simply because the number of selected sanke baby koi will be quite low. This is simply because both the red patterns (kohaku pattern) have to be nice, and also the black spots have to be well placed. That means double the complexity.
At 09:05 you can try by yourself which baby Koi you would have selected. List the numbers you would have selected in the comments! Or ask me any questions about these Koi.
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Thank you! Great to hear, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Great video for selection.
Best Doitsu Kohaku 9
Sanke 8 and6
The Doitsu Kohaku is very nice, i love it as well!
Some of them koi are superb
Sure there are some nice Doitsu Kohaku & Sanke in there! There were many other good ones in as well 😉
AND we just just had our first successful fry hatching a few months ago. We can see about 100 fry, but think maybe double that are in the pond. (Huge old cement 19th cen pond). SO. Now I'm trying to sort out GORGEOUS breeders from fish that need other homes. Learning lots right now. thnx
That is awesome! Hopefullly you will be able to get some nice Koi out of that! How are they doing by now?
I like your video
Nice 🙂
9 and 2 are my pick. The contrast on 2 has a lot of potential.
Both are nice picks! The Doitsu Tancho and Doitsu Kohaku are surely the most picked ones it seems!
number 2, 5, 7, and 9 look nice to me, especially number 2, I love Tancho Sanke :)
Number 2,7 and 9 surely are in my top picks as well! I like number 9 a lot, it will become a nice Doitsu Kohaku most probably. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 👍
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Thank you! Greetings back from Netherlands
9 and 8 because they were pleasing to me. These are the only ones I would have picked.
Nice picks. Personally I like the Doitsu Kohaku (9) a lot. Honestly I'm not a big fan of number 8. It only has a really small red dot on it's back visible. It won't have any more red when it becomes larger, for that reason I would not pick it. What do you think of for example nr. 1, 2, 7?
I choose no.8 and no.3 it looks awesome.
Hi, thanks for nice informations. My picks are 2,8,and 9
Thanks for your comment! 2 and 9 are surely nice Koi. 2 is a nice Tancho and number 9 is a doitsu Kohaku with good potential. For myself number 8 is not a great pick, I think it does not have ve enough red. Sure it is quite an unique koi though, maybe for that reason it would be nice to grow it up 👍
very good in Brazil many don't know how to select! thank you.
Thanks for your reply! Hopefully it was insightful! Nice to read hobbyists from Brazil are watching as well 🏆👍!
5:08 I would really like to see how the perfect baby kohaku developed because it looks like it has got everything with it from the beginning.
I would as well love to see that Doitsu kohaku back as well. It's hard to say how it developed over time. Hard to find it back as well 😊👍
I would rather select number 8. I think that's the coolest one. 🤩
Ya it looks quite unique. Even though it is not really a good sanke if you take the aspects to select on into mind. Would be nice though to grow it out and see what happens.
I select 2, 8 & 9 koi... i love it...
Some lovely Koi. Nice selection!
1 _ 6 _ 9 love them.
Very nice choices! Number 9 is a nice Doitsu Kohaku for sure
Great video! Thanks for sharing
Thank you!
That was fun how u asked if we were given the chance.. it made me realize its hard to choose.. i kept changing my mind.. lol .. thanks for giving us the chance to voice our choices.. its hard.. they're all beautiful..
Yes it is quite difficult if you want to look through these little Koi and see their future in a few years. Thanks for your kind comment!
Another great video, I would select 2, 8, 9. My favourite is 9. Keep safe and well.
I'm going with you for the number 9 as favourite, it's a nice Doitsu Kohaku for sure. Also the Tancho (2) looks nice currently and surely would be selected by a breeder as well, needs some time to develop to see what it going to happen with the pattern. What do you think of number 1 and 7? For number 8 it surely looks like an unique pattern/Koi. A breeder would most likely not select it though, it only shows one red small marking in the middle of it's body. For a Sanke a breeder would consider it as not enough 'pattern' (red) visible. It would be a nice unique Koi to grow out though and see what happens. Thanks for your reply and stay safe.
@@Aboutkoi 1 and 7 look nice, but don’t appear to have enough white, especially by the tail. I would happily grow 8 on to see how it turns out.
Agreed, they are not the best ones in the net. For the breeder worth the effort to grow them up for a couple months and reassess again. It are most likely sellable Koi.
2, 7, 8 and 9. I think 9 and 8 have high potential to grow good markings in future.
Hi there, you have some nice picks for sure! Thanks for sharing. I have high hopes for number 9, a nice Doitsu Kohaku. My Doubts though for number 8 that you mention. Orange/Red won't develop on that Koi, so it is going to look very dark (the marking on the head is not a red dot). Let's hope for the best for this breeder!
Nice vid buddy I was one of the people that requested this video on your last video so than you and was a good video well done
Hey there, thanks for your reply! Surely more selection video's will follow (also on Kujaku!) Hope it was insightful to you! 👍
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Not really know much about KOI. But I surely love No 9. And would love to see how it develops now.
Its a Doitsu (scaleless) Kohaku. Would indeed be nice to see it develop. I think you are making a good choice!
Awesome job!!!
Thank you!
Thanks video
You are welcome, thank you as well!
I select no.2...its beautiful
Its a nice one for sure!
Number 2 for sure. Doitsu tancho showa?! No question! Nice video as ALWAYS.
Thank you! Fully agree on number 2! Did you spot the Doitsu Kohaku (9)?
I would have selected 2 an 9 forsure, but I really liked 8 for the shine on the white. 1an 7, because of the similarities in the 2.
2 and 9 are very nice choices when you ask me. For number 8 I myself have my doubts, but I see that many people seem to like number 8. What is for your the reason to select number 8, because of the shine?
1 and 9 would be my pick
The best koi their is #9.. #1 and #11 is a prospect also.. Due to the fact that their colors will be develop through time..
9 is a nice Doitsu Kohaku for sure. You are right, colours are going to change a bit. Sumi (black) will develop and more white will become visible.
@@Aboutkoi hello there sir.. I have a question.. If a koi is not even a japanese koi.. Can a koi develope and be like those japanese koi just by taking care of it?? (feeding,water,tank) im talking bout the quality (size,color,physique).. Or japanese koi are totally different??
Hi there, if you mean it is a Koi that is bred in a different country. Then yes it will also develop like any other Koi. The (grand) parents of these 'Koi' are most likely also Japanese
Great vid again...keep sharing the knowledge..2,7&9 are my selection
Thanks a lot! You made some great picks as well. Number 9 is a great Doitsu Kohaku. Number 7 is also a nice balanced Doitsu Sanke. What do you think about number 1?
Do you think nr. 1 has good patern because the mouth area still white and the entire body has full color patern?
@Joko Kurniawan, that is quite hard to tell at this point. At least it shows some indications that more white will be visible. When a Sanke grows the fish is stretched a little bit, and some part of the pattern won't 'stretch', meaning more white area's will become visible inbetween the patterns. If you look closely you can see some white in the tail area. And also in the middle section already some white can be seen. Time will tell. A breeder would select this Koi as well.
@@jokokurniawan4060 1 is good but there isn't a tail stopper. Also there is not much white or breaks in the pattern...you can see some white so i guess at this stage the risk is worth taking...it was one of my selection originally.
Exactly, worth the risk & effort to grow it up for a couple of months and see what happens. Probably it is surely sellable for the breeder, which also counts.
You voice and video is very nice.
Thanks!
Wow. This is very helpful for aspiring breeders. Hopefully there will be more culling type videos on different age of the koi. New subscriber here! Keep it up!
Happy to hear you like the video's! For sure more video's will come in the future. Stay tuned and thanks for your subscription!
THANKS AGAIN FOR INTERESTING VIDEO I LIKED No8
Hi there, thank you! Glad you enjoyed this video
2 and 9 are the best.
Nice choices for sure!
I would choose koi no.9..
I'm not sure but its got elegance..
Thank you sir.
By d way, this is an awesome video..
Number 9 is really a great Koi. It is porbably one of the better ones in this net. It's a Doitsu Kohaku with a good pattern. Sure thing the breeder will also pick that one and grow it larger! Thank you for your compliment, nice to read!
I like to select 2,9 great video sir..
Thanks a lot! The Tancho and the Doitsu Kohaku surely are great picks indeed. What do you think of number 1 and 7?
Great video, thank you. Two and nine for me.
Thanks for your comment. Two and nine surely are nice ones, nice Tancho and Kohaku. What do you think for example of number 1 and 7?
2,9,8 ❤ new subs here watching from uae
I would select 2, 8 and 9.
For sure they very beautiful.
Thank you very much.
Great video and I gave it the #218th like. 😊
Stay safe and take care Sir.
Hi there, thanks for your comment. Nice picks you have, number 2 and 9 are surely in my list as well. I have my doubts for number 8 though. It doesn't have a very good pattern, only a small red step on the middle of it's body. A breeder will most likely discard it, but of course it would be nice to grow it out and see what happens. Thanks and stay safe as well!
@@Aboutkoi My pleasure.
Thank you.
Well I understand, however I would look at the potential it might have, if it turns out to be the opposite of what I would be hoping to see then time would tell.
Thank you. 😊
Time indeed will tell how it will develop. These development processes are what makes this hobby so fascinating I assume! 😃
@@Aboutkoi Indeed.
Stay safe and take care.
Stay safe! And enjoy your Koi 👍
9 and 2 for sure
Two with potential, the Doitsu Kohaku and Tancho. What do you think of number 1 and 7?
2,8,9 from Philippines ☺️👍
Nice choices 😀. What do you think of number 1 and 7?
@@Aboutkoi that's is a sunky
@@maikocabansag8903 A sunky? Not sure what you mean 😀
be interesting to know what feed they use for growing them on thanks
I have some serious about growing up baby koi which might be interseting to watch. This size can already start eating small pellet of like 2-3 mm.
thank you fish selection explanation aboutkoi
Thanks for your comment! I hope you liked and enjoyed the video!
9 in my fav
That surely is a nice doitsu kohaku, i would also select that one for sure!
thanks for video. i would select 1 and 9
Thanks for your reply! I agree with you! What do you think of number 2?
1,2,4,8,9. The pattern it's nice when it will grow
Hi there, nice picks! I especialyl like the #9 Doitsu Kohaku. Number 8 is in my opinion not that good, it won't have enough red when it grows larger, only a small step in the middle of it's body. Still quite a unique Koi though to see how it will develop 👍
Thank you will I've started in koi keeping for 2years now and doing my own way of culling. the doitsu kohaku(#9) the pattern so nice and possibly have a potential to win in koi show. And with the #8 it has this unique pattern with its body and also the head of it 😊
1-9-8 I would have selected. Very informative video.
Yes nice picks. Did you also see number 2 and 7? I think personally I would not pick number 8. It looks unique, but it doesn't have enough red on the fish for me.
Nice video and very informative 👍 Subscribed 👍
Thank you! Happy to share knowledge!
2 & 9,,, 9 is the best of them all
9, the Doitsu Kohaku is nice indeed!
I wonder how they catch those fry from that big mud pond ? please make a video dedicating to it.
Large nets are used by slowly dragging them through the water. For small ones like these usually that happens two or three times to make sure as many as possible are caught.
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Thanks, Thanks 👍😉
hi bro nice video, for me i select 1,2,7
Thank you, I hope you enjoyed. That are some nice choices you selected. Have you ever selected baby Koi by yourself?
@@Aboutkoi nope not yet bro thanks
If you ever have the opportunity, try it 😀. It really is a great experience and a good way to learn how Koi develop
i would select 8/9/2, thanks for the video
Thanks for your comment as well! Nice to see everyone selects some different Koi out of the few
Nice video I do appreciate your efforts. I like to select No.9, then No.8 and No.2. Pls advise. Thank you.
Number 2 and 9 are surely good choices. Number 2 seems to be a nice Doitsu Maruten Showa (round red marking on the head). Number 9 is a Doitsu Kohaku which seems to have a good body posture and a nice pattern. Number 8 I myself have my doubts, it will most likely have not enough red markings on the body. Only on the middle of the body is a red marking, the rest will be black and white. Not a preferred pick for me, but a nice experiment 👍
Would definitely pick no.9
Very nice Doitsu Kohaku for sure! Great pick!
8 is must ,9 is must,2 probably
Nice choices! Thanks for your comment
9 & 8 are the only two I would have bought.
All of the numbered fry are good choices, but I've chosen #8; not because it is the best sanke, but for its unique pattern.
#7 would be my choice for best sanke as it appears to have well spaced smaller areas of sumi rather than larger areas like showa.
Hi there, thanks for your comment. Indeed most Koi do have a little bit of potential and could be kept to grow out larger. However, on some you can already spot that they won't become really good. If you look at number 3 for example, it doesn't have any red from the middle of the body until the tail. Most likely a breeder will not select that.
Number 8 is indeed a special Koi. Personally I would not select it, when that Koi will grow the red marking will only be really small in the middle of its body. When koi grow up, the pattern grows a little bit more towards the back. So there will be more white visible beneath it. For that reason the red marking will start to look even smaller. Would be a nice experiment to grow it out to learn from. It's not the best Koi out of these 11 for sure though.
@@Aboutkoi This is why koi keeping is so interesting....we all are attracted to different things and koi never fail to surprise us :)
That is indeed one of the parts that is making it a great hobby! Following the developments of Koi is also one of the awesome parts!
#9 nice
Yes!! That's a very nice Doitsu Kohaku
9 .the only one kohaku hehe
I like the Kohaku for sure! Nice one
9 is nice
A very nice Doitsu Kohaku, good choice 👍
Hi master I'm a koi lover thanks for the information on how select koi for me i will select no.9
That's a nice choice, thank you for sharing. And happy to hear you are enjoying the video!
for me its number 9☺️
That is a very nice Doitsu Kohaku! Would pick it for sure as well 👍
nr 1
Thanks!
My favourite 2 9 8, and would want all 3 😉 Lol..
2 and 9 I would select as well. I like the Doitsu Kohaku (9). Number 8 has in my opinion a too small pattern, there is only a little bit of red on the middle of the Koi. For a Sanke that is not enough 😀
@@Aboutkoi I thought thats, but like us English we're too quick for impulse buying and 3 is a common symbol 😂 😂 😂
It will become something nice probably, but not the best looking when it is large most likely. However, it is taste of course 😃
I will go for the number 9
That's a nice Doitsu Kohaku 😀. Did you also find the Tancho?
On #9 there is a pinkish color under the white areas. Will this turn red or will it fade to white?
Hi there, do you mean next to the dorsal fin on the left side? Most likely what will happen is that it will turn into white when the skin gets thicker. It could happen that the orange becomes darker, but usually it doesn't really develop it all.
1,2,7 & 9
Yes that are surely some nice picks!
2, 9 and 8 👍
Agreed on 2 & 9! Perosnally I won't pick 8, even though it looks quite special and would be a nice experiment. When that Koi grows it normally won't have enough 'pattern' visible. The breeder normally won't pick it.
Nr 9 for kohaku and nr 4 for sanke i would pick
Nice Choices! The number 9 Doitsu Kohaku looks promising
#9 is the best one
Thanks for sharing! What are the reasons for you to go for number 9?
My picks would be 2, 8, 9. My question on "hi kohaku" baby is a pinkish white normal or is that a result of "high or low" grade in the breed.
Please make it clear which fish are being saved, the ones left in the bowl or the ones flipped out with the net. I think #7 has potential.
The ones that are put into the big tank in the middle are the keepers for this breeder!
9 for me kuhaku is my favorite colection
That Doitsu Kohaku will surely look good when it grows up. It is a safe pick! What do you think of number 1 or 2?
I like the number 8,9, & 10 sir pls tell me this three kois are good?
Number 9 is most probably the best one out of your selection of three, I personally like that one a lot for sure as well. Number 8 is honestly not a great Koi. It doesn't have enough red if you ask me (or a breeder in Japan ;))
Thank you sir💕
I would only take number 9 from this selection
You are a strict breeder 😀. But nr 9 surely is a nice Doitsu Kohaku, so nice choice!
I would pick # 9 and. 8. And 2
I like 9 a lot, a nice Doitsu Kohaku in the making
where do the discarded koi go? and how many of the discarded koi are saved? what determines first and second choices ( grade A+ Grade A/B )
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That depends a lot on the breeders. Some breeders do take their Koi apart and grow them larger, to about 5-10 cm and then sell them as lower class Koi. Other breeders completely discard them - they only want high quality (think about the 'higher tier' or the more famous high class breeders)
I like 9 the best for a kohaku. I like 1,4,7 and 11 for their complex patterns, but I don't know that they are sanke
Cool choices, thank you for sharing. They are Sanke offspring, but indeed hard to see for some!
Why is the water so green?
Mud ponds! The breeders try and get them as dark green as possible
9 and 8 ❤
9 is a really great Doitsu Kohaku 😀. For 8 I have my doubts, that Sanke does not have enough red to make it a good pattern when it becomes larger. I have to agree it is quite unique looking though! Would be nice to grow it up and see what happens.
I would select 8,9,2 and 1
I would add number 7 to that personally! Especially the Doitsu Kohaku (9) is great, probably my favorite there as what I can see now. Number 8 most probably doesn't have enough red to create a good balanced pattern when it becomes larger, for that reason I would personally not select it. Thanks for your reply! 😀
what happens to all the baby koi that dont make selection ?
9 I think that one was literally the exsample
What do breeders do with all of the undesirable fry?
During the first and second selection, breeders usually do not grow out the others. Some breeders do take them apart to sell them as really cheap/low quality baby koi. Most however will become fishmeal.
They should sell the koi fry they don't want for cheap so we can buy cheap koi at the local fish or pet stores. Most of us don't want to pay $200 for a koi. We want the experience of having a koi
You can get Koi from Japan for as cheap as around € 5 to 10 ,- in Europe. Is there really no place where you can find them for a lower price?
100% I bought to 5cm koi from a shop yesterday for $25 each went to a breeder today and bought better looking koi for $2 each
What do they do with the kou that don’t get selected?
It depends on the breeder. Some breeders discard them completely, but others grow them out to Koi of around 7-12 cm size. And then sell them end of the year during winter time to dealers all around the world as cheaper Koi.
2,4,5,8, 9 and 10... please tell me why not
What will happen to the koi's that are not selected??
Hi there, some breeders do take their Koi apart that are not selected and grow them a little bit larger. These will be sold as low class koi for a lower price. Other breeders do discard them, it all depends on the breeder.
@@Aboutkoi do they kill them
9,8 and 2
Yes! Nice Choices. Just a question, why also number 8?
What happens to the ones that are not selected??
It depends on the breeder. Some breeders do take them apart and grow them a bit larger. When they are around 8-13 cm they will be sold to customers. For other breeders they completely discard them.
What do you do with all the other fish that you don't think is up to scritch I was just curious
That depends on every breeder. Some breeders do select them and take them apart to sell them later during the winter as smaller low quality Koi. There are also breeders that do completely discard them
What kind of koi with legs is it ? Number 9 I love that
Probably a tadpole! And that's a cool pick for sure
I choose number 9 and 11
Nice choices! Thanks for sharing
Do they or you discard the doitsu with scales/? Or does the pattern override the fact that they may have scales
Doitsu with a few scales will also stay, or even when they are almost fully scaled. If the Koi has scales, then it is just a normal 'Kohaku' instead of a 'Doitsu kohaku' or a normal 'Sanke' instead of a 'Doitsu Sanke' for example. But this breeding is purely focusing and breeding on the Doitsu variety.
thank you
Thanks! Did you learn something new?
Yes sir. Thanks to you. I did. I still need to watch each video a few more times until I know it. You’re lessons are what I have been searching for and I’m happy You exist in my life You know what I was thinking ……. And You decide if this helps us or not. Do you think it would help us if you show us a adult or 3 Adults Lol. of what our long term goal is. A finished product based on our process. What we can expect. Either way. Thank you for these and again Nobody has taken the time to educate us the way you have.
That really is a great compliment for my work. Thank you a lot for sharing! Take care and hope to see you back in new videos!
What happens to rejected fish????
That all depends on the breeder. Some breeders do take their Koi apart that the have not selected. And grow them out a little bit larger to like 5-13 cm. To then sell then for low class Koi. Other breeders completely discard them...
I would pick 1, 8 and 9? Correct?
Hi hello there. 1 and 9 would surely be in my picks. Also the Doitsu Tancho (2) and number 7 as I can see from the picture. Number 8 I have my doubts, it only has one really small red step on the middle of it's back. This most probably won't be enough for this Doitsu Sanke, so in the end balance will be missing. It does specially follow the standards for a Sanke. Thanks for your comment! 😀
i choose 2,9 and 8
2 and 9 for sure! Nice Tancho and a good Doitsu Kohaku. What do you think about number 1 and 7? For myself I would not pick number 8 honestly, I think it does not have enough red. The small dot inbetween the eyes won't be visible as red when it is larger.
Why the water is so green? Did they put chlorella or spirulina in the water?
For baby Koi it especially is important that a lot of algue growth is happening. This encourages a lot of microorganisms that can live in the pond. More microorganisms means more food for the baby Koi
They don't use chlorella or spirulina, some breeders do add for example chicken manure to increase the growth of algae
@@Aboutkoi alot of koi food on the market are using spirulina and chlorella for growth.. does it really help or just marketing?
That is true. Spirulina and chlorella are mainly boosters for pigmetation/color. But it is proven actually that spirulina does have a positive effect on growth rates as well. However only really low. I have read research paper about it a few years ago. Perhaps you will be able to find it if you search for it, something like: "effect of spirulina on growth rate carp" (I don't remember the title honestly)