Great to see that dealer and hear his comments about the older riders not being able to start and ride these bikes very true in my case started riding at 17 now 70 and a life time gardening have medical problems so i now ride the Indian made bsa goldstar 650 with the gear lever extended i can change gear with my heel and push a button to start its a great machine rotax engine british designed assembled in india keeps me riding what a pity it gets so much negative comments from people my first bsa was a three month old A65L back in 72 it came up for sale recently but i wouldn't have been able to start it and it deserved to be ridden so i pasted on it i have a 1970 yamaha yas1 that i restored i can start it with my hand
It’s about time there was some equilibrium with old motorcycle prices. Everyone accepts/ understands that the more chased after/desirable models will never be ‘cheap’ but the prices that have been asked for the ‘porridge’ bikes has just been greedy. Good to hear Cosmo’s business is getting along nicely, even though I don’t know the guy or his shop.
Very interesting video - great choice of subject and dealer - 👍 😊 great to see Cosmo Classics actual premises . . . (Isn't that 1949 Norton gorgeous - did you buy it ?)
Thanks - glad you like it! Cosmo's is always worth a visit. I managed to resist the Norton .... if it had been a bit older would've been a close thing!
In Poland, the market was very hungry an even year ago. Now investors stoped buy, but passionate still buy and enjoy lowering price market. Of course, socialism meant that motorcycles from 1946-1980 are unknown in the former countries of people's democracy and there is very little demand for them compared to machines produced until 1945.
Hmmm..🤔. I don’t thing it’s just mundane models that are dropping considerably. Recent auction results show Velocette Thruxtons for instance selling for just under 5 figures, much less than the 20k they were not so long ago being advertised, if not sold for.
@@davebeef2001 I know little about the history of post-war British motorcycles, and neither do most of my friends. We were closed to all products from Western Europe, that time. The market for such motorcycles therefore has little support in new EU markets.
@@davebeef2001 All these people who travel the world spending their savings, what will they leave to their children? File folder with photos from the trip :)
I find the good bikes are still selling OK...The bikes that have not been rebuilt so well are struggling....Overall the market is suffering from oversupply for various reasons....I think the investor market is declining but there are still a lot of enthusiasts who are not so obsessed with money/profit....
I think of my 1999 HD FXDL as new, but I suppose it's not. When I started out a Vincent would have been around 30 years old and I never found mine. My first 3 bikes would now be tax exempt.
@thra5herxb12s I'm happy to hear what you know that I don't. New and modern are not the same thing. Exempt from paying the dudy which is the tax will need explaining to me but I'm confident you can do it.
I agree with everything you said about the bike market paticularly with the scare mongers .But I do think you forgot to mention .The monthly income from USA. More than is needed .20 years ago .z1 for instance .We're hard to find today it's esey to find one .Supply I think is out waying demand .It will cause prices to stop rising .Just my thought's .
Let's face it, so many bikes were so hugely overpriced that it's about right that they're coming down to something reasonable that sane people are prepared to pay. To be honest it's the cost of living crisis and brexit that have done the most damage to the small business repairing, manufacturing parts for classic and vintage motocycles. Mind you, it does make me smile when we get gammons with BSA Bantams and horrible Tiger Cubs who think they're goi g to get the 2 1/2 grand back they bought these heaps for.
Been 8 months contemplating getting a classic bike, 70s, or just sticking with the good old fuel injected more modern bikes. Most vids i look at are people fixing theirs or customers bikes and together with e10 as my only option, i stops me from getting one
I don't quite agree that prices coming down say 25% is a good thing altogether. Remember that the cost of spares and services are up by quite a lot too. It makes for a situation where you won't get your money back or even loose a lot of money fixing them up. What's good for a dealer or a buyer is bad for the guy or gal with a project they no longer can afford to do up, let alone restore. There's got to be a balance, which at the monent, there isn't.
Sadly we cut the bit out where I said 'what other hobby do you expect not to lose money on? Nobody expects to get their money back when they stop plying golf or riding horses'; although I accept that for many years people have expected to make money on fixing up a bike.
Obviously this is a personal view. I could never afford to buy from Cosmo, his bikes are out of my price range. That’s not criticising him. Nice guy, I’ve been in a couple of times decades ago and live within 20 miles. I’ve bought a number of past bikes, albeit Japanese from another classic dealer miles away. The other dealer always had sensibly priced bikes. But I appreciate his premises are bigger, away from the street, which allowed him more flexibility with prices. You even mention in the video the likes on the Gold Star. Is it a bike or a piece of art?… You know yourself that many owners of ‘the dream bike’ and the likes have them in a collection and not ridden. Hats off though to people who ride theirs and not just to shows. Maybe I’m a stick in the mud, but believe bikes should be ridden. I’ll shoot myself in the foot now and say having been forced into early retirement, I’m not riding my bike in the rain 🙄 Needs must I suppose. Good video, good stock, a good guy, a proper looking bike shop, just sell at my price 😊
I'd love a BSA Rocket Gold Star but the prices are eye watering. Unfortunately the cost of everyone thieving your money has increased exponentially year on year since the 70's and therefore what was once considered a decent wage is now not meaning no spare cash other than to pay bills and feed yourself. The country is fucked.
He's right about "supply and demand" but, he's giving the wrong excuse. People are looking for more affordable used bikes not over priced, over valued "classics". Just because somebody has a (1970 Yugo, parked for 50 years!) doesn't make it worth the price. You'd be better off buying a new Royal Enfield... over any other mark or vintage and be glad for the warrantee.
Great to see that dealer and hear his comments about the older riders not being able to start and ride these bikes very true in my case started riding at 17 now 70 and a life time gardening have medical problems so i now ride the Indian made bsa goldstar 650 with the gear lever extended i can change gear with my heel and push a button to start its a great machine rotax engine british designed assembled in india keeps me riding what a pity it gets so much negative comments from people my first bsa was a three month old A65L back in 72 it came up for sale recently but i wouldn't have been able to start it and it deserved to be ridden so i pasted on it i have a 1970 yamaha yas1 that i restored i can start it with my hand
The main thing is it's got two wheels and you're on the road!
Nice sensible discussion about classics.
Congrats on your new channel Julie, have subbed! Great content!
Great!
Nice you've opened a channel Julie been watching you on the Classic Motorcycle channel and other mags ie sources good luck on your channel!
Thanks!
Sensible take on the current market plus some real eye candy lying around the shop! A little Aladdin’s Cave.
Congratulations on your new channel Julie, you did mention to me you were thinking of starting a UA-cam channel, wish you every success
Thanks! See you at Ardingly on 30 March 2025 if not before!
Really enjoyable addition to my watch list 🙂
Thanks Duke - stick around and hopefully see you at Ardingly on 30 March 2025!
@mrselk844 see you there:-)
Enjoyed the good informative video and it rings true..
Like the Guzzi Le Mans behind you rather splendid 😊❤
I think it was a customers in for some work, not for sale...
It’s about time there was some equilibrium with old motorcycle prices. Everyone accepts/ understands that the more chased after/desirable models will never be ‘cheap’ but the prices that have been asked for the ‘porridge’ bikes has just been greedy. Good to hear Cosmo’s business is getting along nicely, even though I don’t know the guy or his shop.
Cosmo Motorcycles, located on the seafront at St Leonards, Hastings.
Very interesting video - great choice of subject and dealer - 👍 😊 great to see Cosmo Classics actual premises . . . (Isn't that 1949 Norton gorgeous - did you buy it ?)
Thanks - glad you like it! Cosmo's is always worth a visit. I managed to resist the Norton .... if it had been a bit older would've been a close thing!
That shop….did it used to be Millers? Grumpy old bugger but I liked him.
It sure was, remember 'Vic's Added Tax'?
The rules are. If the underground carpark is open, you MUST test your silencer by riding through it 😁
OOh, will try that next time!
In Poland, the market was very hungry an even year ago. Now investors stoped buy, but passionate still buy and enjoy lowering price market. Of course, socialism meant that motorcycles from 1946-1980 are unknown in the former countries of people's democracy and there is very little demand for them compared to machines produced until 1945.
Imteresting..
Hmmm..🤔. I don’t thing it’s just mundane models that are dropping considerably. Recent auction results show Velocette Thruxtons for instance selling for just under 5 figures, much less than the 20k they were not so long ago being advertised, if not sold for.
@@davebeef2001 I know little about the history of post-war British motorcycles, and neither do most of my friends. We were closed to all products from Western Europe, that time. The market for such motorcycles therefore has little support in new EU markets.
@@davebeef2001 yup, absolutely, I think we said the whole market has dropped.
@@davebeef2001 All these people who travel the world spending their savings, what will they leave to their children? File folder with photos from the trip :)
I remember when this shop was Vic Millers
Yes, thinking I will include this in a future installment!
Schrodinger's prices - they have dropped, but they haven't dropped...
I find the good bikes are still selling OK...The bikes that have not been rebuilt so well are struggling....Overall the market is suffering from oversupply for various reasons....I think the investor market is declining but there are still a lot of enthusiasts who are not so obsessed with money/profit....
I think of my 1999 HD FXDL as new, but I suppose it's not.
When I started out a Vincent would have been around 30 years old and I never found mine.
My first 3 bikes would now be tax exempt.
None of them are actually exempt. Yes a 1999 bike is very modern.
@thra5herxb12s I'm happy to hear what you know that I don't.
New and modern are not the same thing. Exempt from paying the dudy which is the tax will need explaining to me but I'm confident you can do it.
I agree with everything you said about the bike market paticularly with the scare mongers .But I do think you forgot to mention .The monthly income from USA. More than is needed .20 years ago .z1 for instance .We're hard to find today it's esey to find one .Supply I think is out waying demand .It will cause prices to stop rising .Just my thought's .
Good point
Let's face it, so many bikes were so hugely overpriced that it's about right that they're coming down to something reasonable that sane people are prepared to pay. To be honest it's the cost of living crisis and brexit that have done the most damage to the small business repairing, manufacturing parts for classic and vintage motocycles. Mind you, it does make me smile when we get gammons with BSA Bantams and horrible Tiger Cubs who think they're goi g to get the 2 1/2 grand back they bought these heaps for.
Cost of thieving crisis you mean. Call it what it is.
Been 8 months contemplating getting a classic bike, 70s, or just sticking with the good old fuel injected more modern bikes. Most vids i look at are people fixing theirs or customers bikes and together with e10 as my only option, i stops me from getting one
I ride mine! (But I do pay the extra and use E5!)
@@mrselk-VintageBikeBird I use E10 stabiliser and have no issues at all.
I don't quite agree that prices coming down say 25% is a good thing altogether. Remember that the cost of spares and services are up by quite a lot too. It makes for a situation where you won't get your money back or even loose a lot of money fixing them up. What's good for a dealer or a buyer is bad for the guy or gal with a project they no longer can afford to do up, let alone restore. There's got to be a balance, which at the monent, there isn't.
In the KS750 and BMW R75 motorcycle market, many motorcycles have been dismantled for parts and sold for a long time. This provides more income.
Sadly we cut the bit out where I said 'what other hobby do you expect not to lose money on? Nobody expects to get their money back when they stop plying golf or riding horses'; although I accept that for many years people have expected to make money on fixing up a bike.
Obviously this is a personal view. I could never afford to buy from Cosmo, his bikes are out of my price range. That’s not criticising him. Nice guy, I’ve been in a couple of times decades ago and live within 20 miles. I’ve bought a number of past bikes, albeit Japanese from another classic dealer miles away. The other dealer always had sensibly priced bikes. But I appreciate his premises are bigger, away from the street, which allowed him more flexibility with prices. You even mention in the video the likes on the Gold Star. Is it a bike or a piece of art?… You know yourself that many owners of ‘the dream bike’ and the likes have them in a collection and not ridden. Hats off though to people who ride theirs and not just to shows. Maybe I’m a stick in the mud, but believe bikes should be ridden. I’ll shoot myself in the foot now and say having been forced into early retirement, I’m not riding my bike in the rain 🙄 Needs must I suppose. Good video, good stock, a good guy, a proper looking bike shop, just sell at my price 😊
I'd love a BSA Rocket Gold Star but the prices are eye watering. Unfortunately the cost of everyone thieving your money has increased exponentially year on year since the 70's and therefore what was once considered a decent wage is now not meaning no spare cash other than to pay bills and feed yourself. The country is fucked.
So many replica RGS being passed off as the real thing. 1584 built, of which 1900 still exist...
@@Tribsaboy I'd settle for a replica mate, but even they're a fair amount of cash.
He's right about "supply and demand" but, he's giving the wrong excuse. People are looking for more affordable used bikes not over priced, over valued "classics". Just because somebody has a (1970 Yugo, parked for 50 years!) doesn't make it worth the price. You'd be better off buying a new Royal Enfield... over any other mark or vintage and be glad for the warrantee.