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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- Overly Sarcastic Productions: Trope Talk Dragons Reaction
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So funny thing: A cat purring doesn't necessarily mean they're enjoying themselves. They can purr for a variety of reasons, including comforting themselves and others.
So if your cats purr when you get hurt, they're probably trying to comfort you, not revelling in your torment.
Let's be honest, it's probably a little of both.
19:25 Actually, the reason cats purr when you get hurt is because purring is meant to make you feel better and speed up your healing process.
yeah, the misconception that purr ALWAYS = happy causes lots of problems. It is a COMFORTING sound, used to say “I am comfortable/happy,” but also “I am fighting through the pain,” “Please feel better soon…”, and “Don’t worry, I’m here to protect you.”
Airier proving Red's equation of misunderstood and cats right XD
I'm convinced that Red made this Trope Talk as an excuse to draw a bunch of sick-ass dragons, and I have no complaints about that whatsoever.
Agreed. 😁
@@Airier I love wings of fire
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29:31. The 8-headed snake that like booze she mentioned is the Yamata no Orochi, Suzano killed it after getting it drunk
27:46 that's what toothless looks like in the how to train your dragon books, the movies basically just took the names from the books and little else
And if memory serves, HTTYD is one of the rare instances where an author likes the changes made by the adaptations. 🤔
I think the meaning of dragon being "one who stares" can kind of make sense depending on the context. On one hand it can mean something we stare that in either fear or awe, on the other hand can mean something that stares at us but when we try to stare back we blink, indicating a being we fear or get intimidated by.
the word 'drakon' also probably referred to snakes because there are a number of snakes indigenous to the Greek peninsula and Anatolia. Snakes don't have eyelids, so they can be thought of as 'staring' eternally.
@@Ilikecatsismychannelname ooooohhh that’s definitely good.
27:59
The story you’re having trouble pinning down is the original How to Train Your Dragon books by Cressida Cowell.
Yep. Toothless was less of a big panther and more of a tiny spoiled cat in the books.
(They had a language too, but that’s a rabbit hole for later)
19:20 that is them trying to help you heal faster , apparently with the frequency at which cats purr it somehow helps the healing process along
It should also be noted that the idea that cats only purr when they are happy is a rather dangerous misconception. They can also purr when they are in pain or when they are anxious.
9:36 From what I could tell, the Yellow emporor was the mythical figure that started the line of earthly emporors in anchant china. He is reveared as a deaty and guardian spirit, and could be considered as the earthy counterpart of the Jade emporor and symbolic of the whole position of the chinise empiror as a concept that is filled in terms by different mortals and dynasties
Red talks a bit about the 'ascending dragon' you mentioned in her Trope Talks on Sidekicks and Minions. This video was similar in many respects to her Trope Talk on Kaiju, in that they are also creatures with no fixed description and some of them (the daikaiju) can be freaking enormous.
29:46 Yamata no Orochi. The Japanese "hydra" that fought Susano. Susano's final plan to beat Orochi was to lure each head into a trap with 8 giant vessels of sake as bait. Orochi gets his heads stuck in the trap and Susano just lops them all off one by one.
30:49 Look up the remastered Spyro games, one of the dragon elders is literally a barista dragon with tattoos and a mustache.
8:42 depending on the subspecies of dragon and the local legend you have some that spray boiling water, venom, acid, fire, water jets like a pressure washer that can strip flesh from bone just to name a few lol
Huitzilopochtli's dragon weapon isn't actually used for blunt force. It's an atlatl, so he throws war darts with it, although in this case the war darts are probably fire.
So it's not a dragon club, it's a dragon *gun.* A dragun, if you will.
@@leeshajoi You mean Dragoon?
29:30 Yamato No Orochi was an 8 headed serpent that died while drunk, because while sober even a God couldn't take it out safely. Grasscutter was found in his tail. Red covered that story; look into more of her mythology videos to get the full story.
Edit: Oh, wait, you DID watch that one. Remember the one with "Susan"?
31:50 I remember in the early days of Magic the Gathering, when a player let a Dragon Whelp through unopposed, thinking it could only add +3 to it's attack. Cue reaction when 15 red mana was tapped for the attack, and everyone watching realized the Whelp didn't die until after doing the damage.
From that day forth, we called them Hand Grenades, and prioritized blocking the suckers.
Yu-Gi-Oh had a lot of weird esoteric dragons: two out of three Egyptian God Cards are dragons (Slifer/Osiris being a giant snakey THING with a mouth on its forehead and Ra being a giant mechanical bird with phoenix motifs), Different Dimension Dragon which is a plesiosaur thing, Parrot Dragon, a bat-winged parrot, Blue-Eyes White Dragon who is the reincarnation of an ancient Egyptian woman who died for her lover, etc.
Nah, the trope of storm god versus serpent is possibly because of the fact that ancient people associated rain with snakes. It's possible that ancient people connected snakes with rain due to the fact that snakes seem to become active around the time that the rainy season returns. Also, a lot of cultures connect snakes with water.
One dragon I remember very fondly is Frau Mahlzahn (Ms. Molar) from the Jim Knopf (Jim Button) franchise.
After her defeat at the hands of Jim Knopf, Lukas the locomotive operator, and their locomotive "Emma", she thanks them for defeating her without killing her and transforms into a Golden Dragon of Wisdom. She essentially becomes an oracle.
One of my favorite tv-shows as a kid... although I sadly missed quite a few episodes, including the one you mentioned.
By this definition Red presents, dinosaurs are dragons.
Speaking of categories like Dragon:
Fae, Fairy, Fay and names like that could also be considered as category of where Fairies, Gnomes and Goblins used to be put during Medieval times. As long it was smaller, magical being that seemed like otherworldly and wasn't fond of Iron, those beings could be put into that category.
Anne McCaffery is the first woman win to either a Hugo and/or a Nebula award, and one of her books was the first science fiction book to appear on the new York Times best seller list. And the 22nd Grandmaster by the Scince Fiction and Fantasty Writers of America
Almost forgot, her Ship who Sang series are some of the foundational work of the Transhumanism sub genre
@@geraldgrenier8132 Oh yes, I've always meant to track down the other parts of that series.
She's a truly prolific and varied writer, but with a quite a signature style.
Makes a spider dragon that breathes spiders as a breath weapon and is just the product of a bigger spider dragons breath weapon.
'Welcome to the Dragon's Drink' the sign outside states boldly... you walk in and are greeted by the usual tavern bustle. The room seems so otherwise normal you double-take when you realize there is a full grown dragon behind the bar... half-way through a hole in the wall. If you step outside, you'll just see the outside of said tavern, no dragon rear in sight... either way, one thought crosses your mind: gods, sorcerers are weird.
I think Red accidentally said eight-legged when she meant eight-headed. Orochi famously got drunk in his legend to be weakened and slain.
29:31
Red *_did_*_ clearly say 'eight-Headed,'_ actually. The mistake was the hearing of *@Airier* , lol. How quiet is his 🎧.....😅or how loud is his train-of-thought?
4:28 no dragon is the catch all term for most of the stories and legends given it is mostly written down by European historians now when you get to the local legends that is where the fun starts
18:30 it is Final Fantasy XIV.
It's a flashback to when we first hear the story of Shiva and Hraesvelgr
Yamato no Orochi was the drunk. Susanoo was wandering after Amaterasu kicked him out of heaven (this is after she spent time traumatized in a cave and needed a Goddess to strip tease to get her out) and found a farmer whose daughters were being eaten by a eight-headed eight-tail snake. There was only the rice paddy princess (Kushinada) left and Susanoo fell hard when he saw her. The solution - Susanoo hid her as a comb then got the snake drunk on eight barrels of sake. Then while the snake-dragon was drunk, he sliced off the heads. When he was cutting up the tail, he found a sword Ame-no-Murakumo-no-Tsurugi in the tail flesh. He gave it to Amaterasu as a "forgive me" gift and she gave it to her descendant Jimmu. It was so sharp it could extinguish a burning field by cutting off the burning tips of the grass - earning it's other name Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi ("Grass-Cutting Sword"). It's one the three regalia of Japan, along with the mirror used with the stripping to get Amaterasu out of her cave.
10:30 yes Yamata no Orochi is what you would call a Hydra type of serpent dragon with the multi head thing going on lol
In One Piece there's a Mythical Zoan Orochi Fruit it's full name is the Snake Snake Fruit Model Yamata no Orochi so it's classified as a snake fruit rather than a dragon fruit.
I was actually going to recommend this one when I saw you start doing the Trope Talks, so instead I'll recommend the video on kaiju. Although considering my track record with OSP videos there's a 50% chance you have already...
1:50 that one sounds like the tarrasque french mythology
Yup. Just forgot the word tarrasque for a bit. 😅
Most dragon in Chinese myth are good & wise but there are exceptions, for example: In Investiture of the Gods, the 3rd dragon prince tried to kidnap a girl(and do unsavoring things to her)-> got killed by the hero Nezha(though cooking the dragon prince's tendon is a bit much) then the 4 Dragon Kings demanded Nezha to off himself or they will drown his home city. And he did(by removing his flesh from his bone piece by piece). A year later he is revived, after going through a lot of trouble & drama(for example he his clay body got broken by his dad so he switched to a lotus body)
11:05 if you want this type of thing "Dragonology the complete book of dragons from candlewick press" and yes it is a lot lol
I am once more asking for someone to make a good shadowrun rule book, because now I have the idea for a run where a dragon hires your crew to retrieve a rare funko pop to complete his horde.
JoCat's "Heart of Elynti", which is still going on in the playlist, play with dragons a lot and makes some of the coolest designs I have ever seen.
I will not spoil it but every time a dragon shows up it is fully unique and never how Dragons are traditionally visualised.
and Red in involved in it IIRC.
28:30 that's not a mustache. That's teeth.
no there was a mustache, look higher.
25:00
Actually yes.
The first Godzilla movie came out in 1954. Professor Tolkien was 62 at the time. Because he died in 1970, he could also have seen the Gozilla movie "all monsters attack" that came into the theatres in 1969. This means that tolkien might have seen up to 10 different Godzilla movies in his lifetime. (If he was interested in watching them is in my eyes a whole other thing entirely)
Also, english isn't my first language. So please excuse any errors in spelling and grammar.
I like that humanity collectively agreed dragons are cool. I do wish more games let you raise or play as a dragon.
This always reminds me of monster hunter where specifically an elder dragon is just "wow that shit is powerful and we cant classify it hummmm... Elder dragon", everything is like hey its basically a t-rex so brute wyvern, its a big scalie wolf its a fanged wyvern and so on.
My personal take on storm god VS dragon formula being so common is that well, ofc, it's a very old idea and that possibly sound of the storm was interpreted as the dragon's roar. Best part is that makes for incredible scene setting, it's one thing to use the generic t-rex roaring thing we just kinda decided applies to dragons and instead booting up thunder sounds to show how terrifying and magical the damned lizard is
Considering the "draconic curse" story archetype, I think Elden Ring has a pretty good version of that. In the game, when you kill a dragon, you get the dragon's heart. Afterwards, you can exchange the hearts at the Chapel of Dragon Communion to get special dragon incantations, such as fire breath, frost breath, etc. From a lore perspective, what we find out via item descriptions (thanks Fromsoft) is that those who indulge in too much Dragon Communion eventually become draconic themselves - gameplay wise, when you exchange enough hearts, you get sick dragon eyes - but lore wise, you find they turn into magma wyrms - malformed, flightless dragons that spit magma.
This reflects the draconic curse - both the greed and transformation. Those who become greedy for power and slay too many dragons become dragons themself.
Yeah dragon at this point feels like a catch all term for something that is a really big reptile of some kind
This was a super fun reaction! I laughed when you brought up the potential horror of spider-themed dragons. I’m currently working on a novel where dragons are the protagonists and fill the role of humans in their world (humans never existed there), kinda similar to the book series “Wings of Fire.” All of their designs are based on various arthropods (like insects, crustaceans, and arachnids to name a few.) So, yes, I have created spider dragons and I’m not sorry :)
13:48 This is literally how I built my homebrew fantasy TRPG world; the major gods of my world are dragons who were created by the primordial gods of order and chaos, who are also dragons. Why, you may ask? I wanted my players to be a team of dragon-themed Power Rangers.
I'm pretty sure it's well established that the most important quality for a dragon to have is *Majesty.*
_Consummate V's, I said _*_consummate!_*_ Guy wouldn't know majesty if it came up and _*_bit him_*
7:17 that from the Jason film i told you about 8:42 according to the cg Beowulf the dragon his son 10:02 don't know how fateful it was but there a 79 journey to the west tv show called monkey 14:13 that from neverending story 34:02 look it up yep there a spider dragon in 2nd edition dungeons and dragons wiki
just my theory from most dragon myths i have read and researched most are bones from dinosaurs that were found by the local peoples and just reassembled wrong or were still living dinosaurs that we hunted into extinction and are just a left over tribal memory/legend that got distorted over time.
I think it is more similar to the chimera in many cases. Where people mashed up cool/powerful traits. Greeks, for example, had lots of blender creatures with no real origin.
Thanks for this.
I *really* recommend the Pern series. If you're going in blind I won't spoil anything, but along with dragon's being ridden, it's probably somewhat responsible for the prevalence of another big trope, I will only describe as, the _"False Fantasy"._ A trope I hope she'll cover one day, but which Pern takes in an unusual direction.
So the yellow emperor is specifically part of the five elements and the auspicious beasts that rule them along with a cardinal direction. The white tiger rules metal, the vermilion bird ruled fire, the azure dragon ruled wood and the black tortoise ruled water. At the center of the cardinal directions was the golden dragon who ruled earth. Most Chinese cultivation novels will mention the first four and very rarely will mention the yellow emperor/ gold dragon simple because he is so much more powerful
The funny thing is I've learned about this before because of Digimon.
21:40 You know, I was preaty confused for a while why the Fell beasts were not considered dragons.
But that is when I really sow there original description in the book.
" It was a winged creature: if bird, then greater than all other birds, and it was naked, and neither quill nor feather did it bear, and its vast pinions were as webs of hide between horned fingers; and it stank. A creature of an older world maybe it was, whose kind, lingering beneath forgotten mountains cold beneath the Moon outstayed their day, and in hideous eyrie bread this last untimely brood, apt for evil.
And the dark took it, and nursed it with fell meats, until it grew beyond the measure of all other things that fly…"
So this has some interesting inplications, especially when combined with Tolkeins own admition that he based them on Pterodactils.
Rather then a smaller bread of dragons, the original fell beasts were more like primordial animals, remnents of an " older world" that were on the verge of extinction, until Sauron discovered them, and over god knows how many years made there kind way bigger, scarier and more melevelent then the already big scary dino birds they originaly were.
My personal theory right now was that they might have been a part of an initial draft of animal creation from back in the oldest period of Arda, one that eather didnt go well, or that Melkore managed to somehow screw up while he was still a major newsence to the Valar
So fun fact the first Godzilla movie came out in 54 and Tolkien died in 73 so it's possible he could have watched it
Back when dnd memes were popular I remember reading a meme abt a homebrew spider dragon. It was basically a mix of black dragon and spider that instead of acid it could breathe spiders. Not spider web, spiders. I loved the idea then and I love it still
There is a dragon in Zoroastrianism by the name Aži Dahāka from an ancient scripture named the Avesta, but later in 1000 A.D. (or C.E.) a Persian poet by the name Ferdowsi wrote another version of Dahāka as Zahhak the Serpent King. Changing them from a supernatural monster into an evil figure with snakes for shoulders, and even Red did a video about him.
Dahāka (and by lesser extent Zahhak) has been featured in other modern mediums like in the novelization for God of War II, the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Starcraft II (with a character by name Dehaka), Homestuck, Highschool DxD, Azdaha from Genshin Impact, _That Time I got Reincarnated as a Slime,_ and yes... even *Fate/Grand Order.*
Dragonriders of Pern is great and available on audible if you can’t find it in your local library.
Nearest I've seen to a barkeep dragon would be a servant dragon, such as Zifnab's dragon "man" servant in the Death Gate Cycle. I don't think we ever learn its name - maybe, its been a while since I last read them - but it is revealed that his butler/guide is a giant silver dragon in the latter books.
OMG I read all the Pern novels in middle school and high school (I graduated in 1999). I absolutely loved the world McCaffery made. But I really hope you find a few of them and get a chance to read ❤
Definitely! She was an amazing prolific writer and the Pern setting is a wonderfully deep.
Speaking of dnd making one creature into many, the names goblin, orc, and kobold, were all different languages term for the same creature. Also, trolls and ogres and giants are basically the same. And Dwarves were a version of elves. And they used to have their underground realm lit up until Freya slept with them all to convince them to give her the shining stone that lit up their realm, to make herself a pretty necklace. Afterwards they were in the dark, and became the dark elves. Tolkien took some liberties, and DnD (which based itself on tolkien) took those liberties further.
E erywhere from sea serpents to winged snakes, to hydras, dragon turtles, apocalyptic beasts and lung dragons fit. One could very reasonably put Godzilla in the dragon category
JRR Tolkien died in 1973, the first Godzilla movie was released in Japan in 1954 and in modified form in the west in 1956. By the time he dies there would have been 13 or 14 Godzilla movies, so it seems likely he'd be aware of Godzilla as a thing. Though it's doubtful he ever saw any of them since he had...views... on things like TV and movies. Suposedly he never owned a TV set.
13 Godzilla movies, though the last one only in Japan (it was exported to the US in 1976)
2:30 The Tanakh is the larger hebrew bible (Torah, Writings, and Prophets I think) and Leviathan, Behemoth, and Ziz (no one ever remembers Ziz but he’s so cool) appear in it as primordial beasts. I can see Leviathan and Ziz being dragons but Behemoth is an admittedly weird choice
The original Godzilla movie, Gojira, came out in 1954, the same year as Tolkien's The Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers. Yes, the movie really is that old!
You know, in the anime series Slayers, there are actually multiple VERY different types of dragons. the gods are draconic beings who oppose Mazoku (basically demons). There are also more conventional d&d style dragons who, while not gods themselves, serve the gods, have human level intelligence or higher, and can shapeshift from dragon forms to human forms. Finally there are dragons who are basically animals that, while huge, destructive, and sometimes fire breathing, can be kept as pets or even eaten (there's an entire episode where the plot is the cast trying to catch a dragon so they can eat it). So yeah, Slayers hits a lot of bases in terms of dragons. If you haven't watched it, give it a try.
25:00
first Godzilla came out in 1954, not sure when it reached the west
I think '56 as Godzilla King of the MOnsters; Red covered the godzi history too, under Kaiju
30:40 one of my favorite fanfics I ever read was called True Bartender Dragon, and it is indeed about a dragon (disguised as a human) running a bar. Unfortunately it hasn't updated in years and left off on a cliffhanger.
As much as I love MLP, and that show is likely responsible for the more widespread use of the term Alicorn, that isn't where it came from. It's something the fans started using for the Princesses long before the writers adopted the term. The term comes from Piers Anthony's Xanth series. And is just a portmanteau of the French words for Wing (Aile) and Horn (Corne).
A thing about the differentiation of monsters because of d&d is that its a lot more common that you think. As an example the original Monster Manual for the 5th edition had a buch of creatures with petrification powers, but what did they do? The Medusa is a type of monster not a single being, the gorgon (wich is what the Medusa is) became a metal bull with a petrification breath, the cockatrice is just an evil looking chicken (no snake part) and the basilisk (wich is another chicken/snake chimera with petrification powers) is just a generic monster with petrification eyes like the medusa. So yeah, d&d fucked up a lot of visuals for mythological monsters.
"Adoriffying" should be a word in the dictionary, I love it
Fair warning about the detail diatribe videos: they range from just under 1 to 2 hours. They’re very good but also long
This trope talk kinda misses a reason why dragon as a term is so dilute. Because Europeans went and labeled a bunch of other cultures stuff as dragons. If you asked an Asian if the long was anything like a European dragon, they would have probably said no. Same with the Quetzalcoatl. In their origin culture, they didn’t necessarily even have the European conception of a dragon to begin with and these powerful serpentine creatures share little other resemblance in form or mythological function.
I don't know that there was a time it ever exclusively meant the European conception of dragon though. The Greek drakon is also just a giant snake, as is Leviathan and The Dragon of the Apocalypse, and while that last one's conception evolved alongside the medieval conception of dragons, it and Leviathan were originally the same figure. Christianity also thought of the serpent in the garden as a dragon, so the term has indeed always been diluted.
The problem is that Europeans at least evolved their own conception of what dragon is. That’s how story’s evolve. But then they went and labeled other people’s stuff with the term, basically performing synchronism. The use of the term to encompass other societies creatures implies some shared trait, or mythological root origin or story use. But that’s just fundamentally untrue. Unlike god, which has some defined meaning, a being that has some fundamental authority over reality, you see that once dragon tries to be applied outward to unrelated creatures it’s meaning almost entirely vanished.
That's an interesting point: Would different cultures whose folkloric beasts have been classified as "dragons" through our western lense consider them related to other creatures classified as "dragons".
So for example, looking at cultures with various different types of dragons, did the Chinese classify their Long as the same thing or at least somewhat related to the Qilin, a more horse-like creature but with the same deer-antlers and crocodile-head that Long are usually said to have had, as well as generally being covered in scales. At least most modern depictions I'm aware of depict them in very similar ways, so I'm tempted to say yes, they would've at least been seen as "related", even if Long doesn't describe them both. Meanwhile Japanese myth has their divine Ryu-dragons equivalent to Long, but the Yamato-no-Orochi clearly goes against the typical features of a Ryu/Long... but it's also sometimes considered divine, so does that make it a Ryu? At the very least it might be considered related. And then there's the myth of a carp going up a waterfall becoming a Ryu, while visually homogenous with the divine Ryus, I'm pretty sure they aren't ascribed the same kind of divinity, so... the Japanese term "Ryu" also seems quite broad in what it may include. And then we have all the Greek creatures that are considered dragons, I haven't read a lot of Greek myths in their original edition, so I can't say wether Typhon, the Hydra and the dragon of Kolchis were all described as "Drakon", creatures like the Hydra, the serpents pulling Apollos chariot, or Ketus seem like they might've only been called as dragons later when other cultures became aware of these myths but might've been considered something seperate back then... which also opens up to me the question of: medieval muslims read a lot of ancient Greek and Roman literature, how did they classify some of these creatures next to "dragons" from their mythology?
Huh, never considered that. I do think it's neat how Dragon is such a vague therm now, but i can see what you mean there. Oh well, at least it gets people interested in Dragons to want to get to find out more Dragons all around the world too.
Ik it was like that for me, definitely
@@Justic_ A Long and Qilin might be related and similarly a Ryu might be related to other creatures. But I am pretty sure in either case a western Dragon/Draco/Drakon would not be considered a Ryu/Long. (Also the carp becoming a ryu is probably partially divine because of the way Shinto works. There is Inari, the fox/kitsune god and all foxes/kitsune are considered his servants. All foxes have the possibility of growing 9 tails and becoming kitsune, becoming more powerful and smarter as they grow older and gain additional tails. Similalry to a carp becoming a Ryu (which are described as having the scales of a car to begin with)
Greeks probably did consider all of those Drakons because Drakon did not mean what "Dragon" in English means now. It essentially meant Serpent (hence the term being applied to the snake in the Garden of Eden and Satan).
12:30 I am not sure because most of my Tolkien knowleadge comes from Tolkien nerds and tolkien nerd UA-camrs trying to convince me to read Tolkiens writings (it is very much working, I am just a slow reader) but I personally pronounce him: En-cal-la-gon ('gon' not 'goon')
I wonder if the Aboriginal rainbow serpent is also in Tasmanian myth since that island split off multiple thousands of years ago
Anne McCaffery's books are really good. You should try to find reprints or even just the OGs. The base story of the series is post apocalyptic like as humans had to leave the earth for whatever reason and learn how to live on a new planet. Again, sounds like sci-fi right? but sooooo many fantasy tropes and features. Real fun.
Something else you may like the summoning animated by candy-cain-art and the trail to oregon out of context animated by noofly poofly
Dragon: History's Oldest Wastebasket Taxon.
She has a video about the mythological Tarrasque.
3:29 There's a lot of overlap between "giant/monster snake" and "dragon".
4:24 No. It basically became a generic term for "large and monstrous creature", particularly in English and especially if that creature is at all snake-like.
24:53 Tolkien died in 1973, so he theoretically _could_ have seen:
Godzilla (1954)
Godzilla Raids Again (1955)
King Kong vs. Godzilla (1963)
Mothra vs. Godzilla (1964)
Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster (1964)
Invasion of Astro-Monster (1965)
Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)
Son of Godzilla (1967)
Destroy All Monsters (1968)
All Monsters Attack (1969)
Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)
Godilla vs. Gigan (1972)
Godzilla vs. Megalon (1973)
It's pretty unlikely though, since the international release dates are different
There is a spider dragon. It's called a Spider Drake, it was published by Kobold Press for their Tome of Beast series
Gold Digger OVA:
Britney: Is that a dragon?
Gina: Yes that is a dragon…….drinking a hot…..cup of tea?!
Dragonriders of Pern is an excellent series
Don't know if you follow, but Tier Zoo recently did a breakdown of the Housecat.
I named my Bearded dragon Fafnir
If youre wanting to see extremely different dragon designs from the norm, play legend of dragoon and see the dragons from that game, they are bizzare and different to say the least.
A curse can be a good thing. Can give you the power to turn into a bird.
Dude Tolkien died 19 years (1973) after godzila was relesed (1954) its very much posible for him to have watched it😅
Woah. 😮
For some reason, I thought he died much earlier.
13 Godzilla movies including the original was released in his lifetime.
It is likely that he had heard of Godzilla, it is less likely that he watched it though very much possible.
11:53 That is NOT what Detail Diatribe is.
That sort of content is primarily handled in the god videos, the myth videos that broadly cover a source, or Blue’s “History Makers” videos (when the subject is a specific storyteller).
Detail Diatribe goes into detail on how a specific work interacts with a specific space of tropes and techniques. They might talk about sources of inspiration or a bit about the history of the trope, but they rarely go deep into the historical development of myths or broader concepts like dragons in the way you’re describing.
Yup, detail diatribes are looking into a singular topic in detail not covering the entire development/history of something the way individual god videos are.
Maybe he needs to finally watch a detail diatribe to be disabused of the notion?
oh boy🤯 i get to dig out all the books i have on dragons for this video 🤓🧐braking up the post it as it is most likely going to be big wall of text sorry. lol edit sadly most of my books were burned/destroyed by overly religious family growing up over time if you want a good reference book "Dragon a natural history by Dr. Karl Shuker" has a lot of legends and stories from all over the world about dragons and a good one to start with.
Mulipitive is the definition of a fairy
20:36 ish, i don't remember if you've done a reaction to it yet or not, but red HAS done a video on the terrasque
I'm working on an animist fantasy setting. In that, Dragons are literally spirits of Power. Just the idea of Power.
If you want a medieval dragon, take Pride and add sky, stone, and fire.
If you want an asian Lung, take Rulership or Wisdom and put it in the sky or sea.
If you want a Nordic wyrm, give it greed, hate, and poison.
What matters, is it is a semi-corporeal spirit that represents some aspect of fundamental Power.
"I'm not looking up whether there is a spider dragon"
... I mean, not a Spider, but isn't Vortigern in FGO capable of spawning an endless army of deadly insects? The very little I've read of it mentioned insects.
Also, iirc, ORT is literally just... Super Alien Spider That Ends The World, or something.😂
And we keep these little murderballs as pets. WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT US, I ASK?!?!?!
My favorite take on Dragons is Warcraft....
Dragons in Warcraft are still huge, feral creatures, but they are gifted with a mind of a sentient creature, can talk, are almost as ancient as the world itself, are assigned to be the guardians of one of the five elements (Earth, Magic, Nature, Time, and Life), and can take form of any sentient race on the planet, to better commune with mortal beings
Dragón is a catch all term, t
Most creatyre we can refer to as dragons weren't refer as such by the people that Made up their storys, it is more of a label under which we put them on modern day because it feels nice
venom dragon. because snakes are a thing
The original Godzilla came out almost 20 years before Tolkien died, but I'd say chances he saw it are still pretty low
Dragons often represent primeval or natural forces. When there's stories of a god or multiple gods fighting a dragon, one of the possible interpretations is it's a stylized telling of the struggle between man and nature. As human civilization grew, you started seeing more and more stories of malevolent dragons representing the external and/or internal threats to a civilization. Earthquakes, wildfires, droughts, famines, plagues, those people over there, predators, murderers, people who worship the wrong god(s) or worship the right god(s) in the wrong way, hated kings, are often depicted as malevolent dragons. The gods often represent that particular civilization. Now this is not universal. As Christianity began spreading across Europe, the Clergy often started depicting Satan as dragon, because Satan is the quasi-deity of primordial evil and dragons, especially malevolent ones from old stories, often represent primordial forces.
2:30 A lot of western sytle dragons are very feline alongside their reptilian aspects (+ bird because wings and flight).
3:28 Drakon (and later Draco) are also used to refer to literal snakes/serpents (hence some bible translations refer to Satan in draconic terms where the more common translation is serpent).
4:23 Red gets there later but yes dragon is a very catch all term. There isn't much similarity between a western dragon like Smaug and an East Asian Lung/Long/Ryu other than being gigantic mythical magical reptiles. Yet both are dragons.
15:10 American Dragon Jake Long also is a dragon shifter.
16:25 Eh, that plotline is pretty much in the book too. Thorin being overly proud and greedy after taking the Lonely Mountain and stuff.
20:13 Pern is a classic. Never read them but they are a very iconic part of fantasy literature.
22:00 Coming back to the point of dragon not being a very specific term and more catch all Tolkien's definition is less about fire breathing giant winged lizard and more what role it has on the story.
24:40 Tolkien wouldn't be wrong for, for example, considering East Asian dragons to not be dragons. This is not to denigrate them as lesser but a Long/Ryu is incredibly different and distinct from a European dragon (as I wrote above, giving one of Tolkien's dragons as an example for the latter even). So rather than calling them a "Chinese Dragon" one could easily accept them as a distinct mythological entity/creature. (And as I said before Red does get to this)
30:35 I would say Barista/Cafe waiter.
BTW Tolkien died in 1973, which means 13 Godzilla movies came out in his lifetime. Though I don't know if he would have watched or even heard about any of them (well, I presume he would have heard of it with 20 years of Godzilla's existince in his lifetime).
Also, what Red talks about at the end about how Dragons are a quintessential part and symbol of fantasy as a whole I can't help but recommend SCP-1762 which is about dragons and fantasy.
Red is pretty allergic to cats so I don’t think she’s ever lived with any. Blue and Cyan have one and so does Indigo among several other of her friends so she definitely hears about various cat antics but “cats are laughing at your pain” probably isn’t something that really occurs to her. I’m severely allergic to cats and I know that’s not the first thing that I think of about cats. Adorable agents of chaos and destruction, yes. Murder to all critters they can get their paws on, also yes. Laughing at you? Definitely. Laughing at your pain? Now that you mention it I can absolutely see it but it’s definitely not something that’s occurred to me before.
30:40 Sebas Tien, one helluva butler. Dragonoid, at least lore-wise. I don't think we've seen his dragon form or full power as of yet. One of the few lawful good characters in the Overlord isekai. But if you SA a younger person or dare to call yourself "Lord of the Dead", your head and your life will be forfeit.
18:38 Yup, it's from Final Fantasy 14. Pretty tragic story there, odd but interesting story of trying to create peace between Men and Dragons. Greed of Men, however rises its ugly head and Dragons who live eons and can remember past as if it happened few hours or days ago still hold deep hatred for stuff that happened long ago.
If you are not going to play it, i can suggest of at least checking story of Heavensward expansion.
Spider dragon? Maybe a chasmfiend from Stormlight Archive? It's more insectoid than arachnid, but its close, I guess?
There is no universal concept of a dragon, so the only qualifier that matters is "does this story give off dragon vibes"