Yeah, Rainbow Giovanni would fit the bill better as he operates by making deals to strengthen his position. Probably the best example is in the climax of the Villain story in Masters: he dismantles Paulo's scheme by offering him a deal, then offering another to Hoopa after the former rejects him. Not only does this one move cause every single legendary controlled by Hoopa to work for Giovanni, Team Break also ditches Paulo to join Team Rocket. He then twists the knife by pointing out that not only could Paulo have easily had an opportunity to take him out by pretending to join forces, his ultimate plan was doomed to fail because you can't get rid of all evil forever.
6:50 You would like Columbo; his mysteries are less "who dun it" and more "how do we prove it." 25:00 a bad guy can be liked without being a Magnificent Bastard. The Joker is just used as an example of what not to do. 36:30 Xanatos fit this to a T; even going to prison didn't do much beyond slow him down and delay the eviction of the Gargoyles...
18:25 It's probably just an older comic. The towers used to be almost as iconic to the NYC skyline as the Statue of Liberty and the Empire State Building, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's just being used as a cool location.
12:45 2 Counterpoints: First, not everyone engaging with the story will get all the hints thrown at them and the Monologue will catch everyone up to the same speed. Second, it could be a satisfying "I knew it" moment for some audience members if it was hinted at but not outright explained
"this is three years ago so its not in the dark times." Bruh, Twitter has been in the dark times since Tumblr did the porn ban, whatre you talking about?
@@DeadmanNC1 Tumblr didn't die first of all. Secondly, OP is referencing the fact that the porn ban chased a lot of people off of tumblr and onto twitter, then things got worse
I had mental image of Twitter being unbelievably toxic place that people go to fight and scream at each other for years, essentially the breeding ground for the Khorne worshippers, 3 years ago is deep into dark times still.
@@DeadmanNC1 Basically, all the traits of modern Twitter is because of Tumblr's NSFW ban. With the threat of being banned, many Tumblr user migrate to Twitter, bringing all the drama and toxicness with them. TLDR: Tumblr (Toxic) and Twitter (Okay) -> NSFW Ban -> Tumblr user migrate to Twitter -> Tumblr (Cleansed) and Twitter (Toxic)
22:00 reminds me of the villain trope when they save the hero "i did not save you to save you Only i am allowed to kill you" like from Berserk or from Baki the grappler you know "Yujiro Hanma" now that is a Bas if i ever saw one.
I just realized the perfect subversion of this trope. The Protagonist from "Eminence in Shadow". He's everything a magnificent bastard isn't while the world sees exactly that.
Pity no Dresden Files references, it's got two great examples of various bits. Gentleman John Marcone is "what if Xanatos was a mob boss instead of a CEO", pretty much the second best magnificent bastard after the big guy himself. But then you also have Nicodemus, a great example of the "pretends to be a magnificent bastard" version where he tries very hard to project that image, and likely even believes himself to be one, but when his schemes start to crack or her gets caught off guard, you see how much that is just an act.
39:30 the other Magnificent Bas trope on this point that comes to mind to me is he wins by losing like he is so smug and is happy he lost as a way to prove a point or that was the plan was to die or was training the hero to fight the real BBG by planning all of the trials that the hero goes thru and when they "lose they win" like Glass 2019 played by Samuel L. Jackson
If you want Magnificent Bastards, may I most highly recommend the web novel A Practical Guide to Evil. It is, quite literally, a step-by-step following of a nascent Magnificent Bastard (the protagonist Catherine Foundling) learning her craft from an expert MB (her mentor, Amadeus Black). Not only does it have the classic view of the MB from the outside, where their bastardy is on full display, it offers the view from the inside, where the reader can intimately see what it takes - and what it *costs* - to be the kind of MB that everyone both fears and reluctantly admires. Quite frankly, the whole seven-book series is a masterclass in the Magnificent Bastard, as a lot of the plot is driven by a multiple MBs coming into conflict over their competing goals and principles. It's, well, magnificent. Without ever skewing into Magical Genius territory. (Except when the genius in question is, quite literally, magical. But that's a whole separate storm of meteors summoned from a parallel dimension.)
27:19 “I have one- bullets!” reminds me of Hunt for Red October: “‘Schom things in there don’t react well to bhullets.’ …Yeah, like me. *I* don’t react well to bullets!”
If you seen FMA but dropped Brotherhood 3 episodes in, I think I know why. FMA followed the Manga very well up to a key point (where the caught up with it) then went off on its intercepts vertion. Brotherhood wanting to stick to Manga but assumed you watched FMA speed runned up to that key point to limit covering the same ground so it first few episodes are actually weaker. Basically watch FMA to episodes 25, then pick up FMA:B at episodes 10 and you get the best vetions of the story
Technically Brotherhood didn't rush the first 15 episodes because they were already covered by FMA it was following the pace of the manga which was rather fast especially compared to FMA. It only skipped 3 chapters when adapting that section of the story; the mining town, the battle on the train, and streamlined the events in Dublin.
3:00 It's because it's a halfway sword that can be wielded just as well with one or two hands. Not quite a greatsword, but more impressive than an arming sword, a bastardized weapon of sorts.
35:07 Yeah Batman in JL and JLU shows isn't really part of the Justice League, he just helps out but refuses to actually join because he's paranoid (rightfully so in some cases)
6:45... you mean Sherlock Homes? This always annoyed my semi-genius sister, because she wanted to solve the mystery along with Holmes, but the clues were not written into the story, and most were things only someone living in that year would know, like 'he could not have taken the train that day, because that train only runs 3 days a week'.
Yeah, the Holmes stories often have something that Holmes noticed or knew that didn't get shred with Watson/the audience. He'll just notice a footprint and go "Ah-HA!" and dash off or have a totally side adventure that nobody knew about until the very end.
The Joker is kind of a weird case (maybe because 3(+) separate people have used the identity). It surprised me when I saw it but, in a lot of cases, the Joker is considered to be a legitimate super genius. Expert chemist and biologist, designing and building complex machinery and robotics. Heck, one of his most iconic modern scenes is completely outsmarting Luthor, only to let him & the legion live, saying that whatever the Joker-Batman does to them will be far worse.
It's "Bastard" swirdm because it looks like a bastard of single handed and two handed sword. It usually has two handed handle, but blade is short enough to be used single handed. (I know there are longer single handed swords, like rapier, but they have completely different shape and weight distribution)
I like the troupe of the Villain in his own way is actually helping for the greater good like he was the head of the rebellion against a good ruler so to drawout any future rebels knowing full well he will be forever known as a rebel villain even though in truth he was the most loyal one
If youre curious, a bastard swords name comes from the definition of bastard. Being a illegitimate child. In this case, the bastard sword is the bastard child of a one handed sword, and a two handed sword, hence their more proper but less common name, hand-and-a-half swords
did anyone here remember Xaiolin Showdown villain Chase Young? that guy not only fit in this trope, he able to win in season 2 because of how he and Omi keep each other promise, showing off how having a personal code that lead to good or bad can be see in different perceptive....
Anti-villain, someone who does good deeds for bad reasons, this often requires a secret evil objective, or just covering up their normal operations, like how organised crime will make life easier for the communities around them, for their protected communities, to the point where the communities don't even see their actions as nefarious. An anti-villain, could be better described as a realistic villain, many companies and people do great deeds, for awful reasons, like empires building roads, rails, canals, schools, police forces, advanced agriculture, utilities like communication lines (internet, phone, telegraph) or necessities water, electricity, shelter... But the end goal is resource extraction and exploitation of the people, there's a lot of good being done, but the reasons are practically evil, a few decades down the line, and the empire leaves, and the country left behind is screwed, all the easy to access resources are extracted, all the lands have been over-farmed to destruction (dustbowl style). Yeah, anti-villains are like empires, personified.
Batman never fully committed to being part of the JLA. That was made clear in the Tower of Babel storyarc where Ras Al'Ghul assembles a group of villains to lethally take down the members of the Justice League. It gets revealed that Ras Al'Ghul had broken into the Bat Cave, copied down Bruce's plans to neutralize each member of the Justice League in the event they went crazy and made them lethal. Once the members of the Justice League are saved and the villains defeated, the members of the Justice League tell Batman that they would never make up plans to neutralize any other member, Batman says "Then you are all fools." and leaves. Despite being a founding member of the JLA, Batman never fully committed to the team and even concocted multiple contingency plans in the event any of the other heroes ever went out of control. They made an animated movie based off of Tower of Babel called Doom, they changed Ras Al'Ghul to Vandal Savage. Doom stayed fairly true to Tower of Babel, the villains use lethal options to neutralize the various members of the JLA, the heroes find out that these were actually plans stolen from the Bat Computer that Batman had concocted in the event any members of the JLA ever went crazy and modified to be lethal, the heroes get saved, the villains get defeated, the JLA tells Batman that they would never concoct plans to neutralize each other, Batman tells them they are fools for not doing so and leaves.
If you’re thinking of characters made more likable in fan materials than in canon that should be Draco in Leather Pants. A character portrayed far worse in fan materials than in canon is Ron the Death Eater.
“What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil? Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?” ― Lelouch Vi Britannia (Code Geass)
So i just got an idea for a villain: Basically imagine someone who SEEMS like a magnificent bastard on the surface, but it's actually a facade to hide his true nature, an extremely desperate, scared individual, that while intellectual, NEEDs to accomplish his goal, and needs his minions to help him. However because of circumstances, if they figure out his true nature, they will kill him. So basically, in public he will be this slick, smooth intellectual charismatic villain, but behind closed doors, he is an emotional nervous wreck, constantly trying to pull stuff out of his ass, because he is having trouble actually coming up with ways to counteract his plans being foiled. Sure he is intelligent, but not extremely intelligent. And while at first he may seem like the typical manipulative bastard to both the charaters and the audience, soon both will see his true nature. From his lies getting worse throughout the story, to his emotions and desperation leaking through. ...Could a villain like this work?
This is sort of what "Overlord" is. Everyone assumes Ainz is an amazing schemer, but he really is just sort of going with the flow. The difference is he's OP and his minions are loyal regardless.
The bastard sword gets its name from its hilt. There are one handed swords (short & arming) and two handed ( Long & great) while bastards are neither one or two handed. The hilt is just to long to be one handed but too short to be two handed
Imagine missing 10+ episodes of actual tabletop gameplay of Fools Gold Sands! You should watch the rest of it so far, imagine the chaos Rooster and Kore been making!
41:55 my mind went to kickass with how Red Myst tried to be cool and in kickass 2 when he changed his name to "yep not saying the name" edge lord anyone🤣
You'll certainly want to watch Pure Evil Villians at some point. Looking back to your early comment, one example from one piece is an utterly repugnant character from Sabaody Archipelago who's only positive trait is the way you want to scream "YESSS!!" when he gets punched in the face.
9:00 I'll point out, that's the author on the screen saying "it is important to my ego" not the character. 25:40 A villain being popular doesn't make them a magnificent bastard. It is the intelligence, code and charisma that matter. And Joker is (usually) way to petty and chaotic to qualify. (though some depictions of Joker might well qualify.) 26:53 That's not a magnificent bastard you are talking about it is some other type of villain (always chaotic evil/pure evil villain?)
6:45🤣this reminded me of the old G.I JOE cartoon movie 1987 where Pythona, a woman from the secret civilization Cobra-La reveals to Serpentor that Cobra-La was responsible for inspiring Doctor Mindbender to create him through dream manipulation. and that all his ideas were from a snake bug in his head. magical evil genius tropes in action 🤣
Thanks for this. As for _Brotherhood_ it's very common to bonce off, mostly because it's so explicitly made for people who know the story from the original and will treat the 1st half as a whistle stop recap; I mean, even the synopsis spoils the 1st major mystery. The original's certainly not perfect, but it was regarded as the most successful series of all time for a reason and it's generally agreed that it handles the 1st half much better, even if there are some problems with simply trying to watch half of each.
If you want a really good Joker style character, try Xykon from D&D parody webcomic The Order of the Stick. He might be my favorite overall antagonist and manages to be super charismatic while also be both wacky crazy and a complete monster- especially after the first few arcs that aren't taken as seriously and ESPECIALLY the occasional scenes where it really lets him be terrifying.
26:44 The character of Happy Chaos from the video game Guilty Gear Strive (2021) would count as this third type of magnificent bastard. Plus his theme song “Drift” rocks! 🍀
42:51 old movie list that could have that Magnificent Bas trope warlock 1989, troll 1986, Glass and unbreakable, Labyrinth (1986), The Abominable Dr. Phibes and Dr. Phibes Rises Again, The Pink Panther (1963) are a few that come to mind🤔and Jokers trope reminds me of Puck from A Midsummer Night's Dream. just more mean with the pranks.
YES!! WATCH Gargoyles! i grew up on gargoyles. It's on disney plus now. The third season has a different showrunner and different writers, so there's a downgrade in quality, but what is there is still good.
Would... would Kurumi Tokisaki count? TV Tropes thinks she does, and she consistently stays the same seductive goth girl that's very (rightfully) confident about her powers and extremely willing to murder for her goals through the whole series, but also, she actively shows off several vulnerabilities in her actual villain arc. 1) She loves animals, namely cats. Her primary targets are (would-be) ræpists... and animal abusers, with the former being her _actual_ main target and the others just getting shot up because they pissed her off by kicking kittens around in her vicinity. 2) She doesn't cope well with someone thinking she can be saved or fixed. When Shido claimed she isn't beyond saving, she immediately tried to reaffirm that stance by effectively nuking the school with a spacequake. Only reason she couldn't was because Kotori stopped her. 3) On the topic of Kotori, when she began going berserk, Kurumi... kinda froze up. This is eventually revealed to be a result of trauma, since the former user of Camael was her best friend that she personally had to kill, leaving her unable to fight effectively against a user of Camael's power ever again. Notably, her goals actually affirm her magnificence. Her ultimate goal is to go back in time and kill the Spirit of Origin before any other spirits were created, thus retconning any spirit-related casualties out of existence. However, her time powers eat up her lifespan, and thus she needs to steal the "time" of _a lot of people_ to pull this off or else she'll die in the process. The moment that Shido and his ridiculous amount of spirit power came into the picture, she decided to "eat" _him_ because that would spare the most lives. Very much a "needs of the many" sort of mentality. The thing that affirms her magnificence here is that "spirit-related casualties" actually includes her own murders that she performed in the name of this goal, meaning that if she succeeded, she would've never become the Worst Spirit.
When read talks about this the magical detective I keep think about the post 52 Batman who automatically solves the case or wins because the writers are hacks or to lazy to come up with an actual reason.
Why can't i minimizes the video to watch it while doing something else? I can do it whit every video except the ones from this Channel all of the suden
A character who has a Reasonable idea but has one specific trait that makes you absolutely hate them CFW Trick from HyperDimension Neptunia, he just wants to have Easy times in games. But, to contrast with that Relatable trait. He's also an obvious Disgusting person who....... How do I put it ? "Wants to Diddle Rom and Ram who are Canonically children" So, Obviously you don't want to Like CFW Trick However there is another character who is morally Just but joins a Group of Criminals to work. CFW Brave, an Honorable man/Machine who just wants to have the best for Children to have have fun with games
One of my favorite tropes and trope talks ever it's just *magnificent* Side note I know there's been a Jello controversy but In stars and time is my favorite game of all time and it's been 3 weeks I'm begging I'm on my knees I'm howling at the moon 😂
Airier YOU NEED TO WATCH Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. It's good! Like really really good. Like I've watched over 800 anime and that is one of the best ones ever made. And fair warning: You will cry while watching it! And you will love it! Or hate! Or both :3 WATCH IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robotnik gets set off too easily by Sonic's taunts and his own failures. The only one that could MAYBE count is the one from SATAM (and by proxy his Archie comic equivalent), but most modern versions don't really reach the bar.
Hey, it‘s not a sin to show something that was later destroyed in History in a Comic Book. It has been a part of 🇺🇸 for a very long time. For years. Don‘t make it a non-person.
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David Xanatos: "So now you know my weakness."
Goliath: "Only you would regard love as a weakness."
The only way the line could be better is if on the way out someone pointed out he has enough money for therapy.
Jessy and James are manny things. Actual vilains? No. They bought actual tickets to cheer Ash on!
Are you suggesting that a villain can't show some support in their off-hours? Can't be working all the time mate.
Yeah, Rainbow Giovanni would fit the bill better as he operates by making deals to strengthen his position. Probably the best example is in the climax of the Villain story in Masters: he dismantles Paulo's scheme by offering him a deal, then offering another to Hoopa after the former rejects him.
Not only does this one move cause every single legendary controlled by Hoopa to work for Giovanni, Team Break also ditches Paulo to join Team Rocket. He then twists the knife by pointing out that not only could Paulo have easily had an opportunity to take him out by pretending to join forces, his ultimate plan was doomed to fail because you can't get rid of all evil forever.
Jessie and James are just silly criminals
Jessie and James are kind if like Pokemon’s Doofenschmirtz is what i think.
@@ladeao1552 that makes them antagonists but not villians
6:50 You would like Columbo; his mysteries are less "who dun it" and more "how do we prove it."
25:00 a bad guy can be liked without being a Magnificent Bastard. The Joker is just used as an example of what not to do.
36:30 Xanatos fit this to a T; even going to prison didn't do much beyond slow him down and delay the eviction of the Gargoyles...
“Why didnt i finish brotherhood?”
“Guess you were not ready for rain…”
even i was like "you only reach episode 3?... you are lucky to stop at three because the next episode will make you look at dogs differently..."
I got to the start of the Greed arc in Brotherhood then got sidetracked with other stuff, never found the time to get back.
18:25 It's probably just an older comic. The towers used to be almost as iconic to the NYC skyline as the Statue of Liberty and the Empire State Building, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's just being used as a cool location.
It’s from God Loves, Man Kills, a graphic novel from the 1990s.
Yeah it is not that deep, just written/published before September of 2001.
12:45 2 Counterpoints: First, not everyone engaging with the story will get all the hints thrown at them and the Monologue will catch everyone up to the same speed.
Second, it could be a satisfying "I knew it" moment for some audience members if it was hinted at but not outright explained
"this is three years ago so its not in the dark times."
Bruh, Twitter has been in the dark times since Tumblr did the porn ban, whatre you talking about?
I don't use Twitter so why did Tumblr dying hurt Twitter?
@@DeadmanNC1 Tumblr didn't die first of all. Secondly, OP is referencing the fact that the porn ban chased a lot of people off of tumblr and onto twitter, then things got worse
@@cheyannegiles9772 ok so the porno people came over.
I had mental image of Twitter being unbelievably toxic place that people go to fight and scream at each other for years, essentially the breeding ground for the Khorne worshippers, 3 years ago is deep into dark times still.
@@DeadmanNC1 Basically, all the traits of modern Twitter is because of Tumblr's NSFW ban. With the threat of being banned, many Tumblr user migrate to Twitter, bringing all the drama and toxicness with them.
TLDR: Tumblr (Toxic) and Twitter (Okay) -> NSFW Ban -> Tumblr user migrate to Twitter -> Tumblr (Cleansed) and Twitter (Toxic)
11:30 to 14:30
“Welcome to Arier’s rant on how to write The Riddler.”
That was legit where my mind went.
22:00 reminds me of the villain trope when they save the hero "i did not save you to save you Only i am allowed to kill you" like from Berserk or from Baki the grappler you know "Yujiro Hanma" now that is a Bas if i ever saw one.
I just realized the perfect subversion of this trope. The Protagonist from "Eminence in Shadow". He's everything a magnificent bastard isn't while the world sees exactly that.
Pity no Dresden Files references, it's got two great examples of various bits. Gentleman John Marcone is "what if Xanatos was a mob boss instead of a CEO", pretty much the second best magnificent bastard after the big guy himself. But then you also have Nicodemus, a great example of the "pretends to be a magnificent bastard" version where he tries very hard to project that image, and likely even believes himself to be one, but when his schemes start to crack or her gets caught off guard, you see how much that is just an act.
"Does losing the Bastard reduce the Magnificent Bastard?"
Yes. *By half.* Admittedly, the half they keep is probably the better half.
39:30 the other Magnificent Bas trope on this point that comes to mind to me is he wins by losing like he is so smug and is happy he lost as a way to prove a point or that was the plan was to die or was training the hero to fight the real BBG by planning all of the trials that the hero goes thru and when they "lose they win" like Glass 2019 played by Samuel L. Jackson
If you want Magnificent Bastards, may I most highly recommend the web novel A Practical Guide to Evil. It is, quite literally, a step-by-step following of a nascent Magnificent Bastard (the protagonist Catherine Foundling) learning her craft from an expert MB (her mentor, Amadeus Black). Not only does it have the classic view of the MB from the outside, where their bastardy is on full display, it offers the view from the inside, where the reader can intimately see what it takes - and what it *costs* - to be the kind of MB that everyone both fears and reluctantly admires.
Quite frankly, the whole seven-book series is a masterclass in the Magnificent Bastard, as a lot of the plot is driven by a multiple MBs coming into conflict over their competing goals and principles. It's, well, magnificent. Without ever skewing into Magical Genius territory. (Except when the genius in question is, quite literally, magical. But that's a whole separate storm of meteors summoned from a parallel dimension.)
27:19 “I have one- bullets!” reminds me of Hunt for Red October: “‘Schom things in there don’t react well to bhullets.’ …Yeah, like me. *I* don’t react well to bullets!”
If you seen FMA but dropped Brotherhood 3 episodes in, I think I know why. FMA followed the Manga very well up to a key point (where the caught up with it) then went off on its intercepts vertion. Brotherhood wanting to stick to Manga but assumed you watched FMA speed runned up to that key point to limit covering the same ground so it first few episodes are actually weaker.
Basically watch FMA to episodes 25, then pick up FMA:B at episodes 10 and you get the best vetions of the story
Technically Brotherhood didn't rush the first 15 episodes because they were already covered by FMA it was following the pace of the manga which was rather fast especially compared to FMA. It only skipped 3 chapters when adapting that section of the story; the mining town, the battle on the train, and streamlined the events in Dublin.
want a literal example of the kick the dog moment: jojo part 1 episode 1
And then we have the opposite with Kars in Part 2 who saves a puppy from an Car
3:00 It's because it's a halfway sword that can be wielded just as well with one or two hands. Not quite a greatsword, but more impressive than an arming sword, a bastardized weapon of sorts.
35:07 Yeah Batman in JL and JLU shows isn't really part of the Justice League, he just helps out but refuses to actually join because he's paranoid (rightfully so in some cases)
“Ratagan, oh Ratagan, the world most maginficent….” •hiccup• “rat.”
Rip.
@@KimFareseed •ding dingle ding• “Precious, supper time!”
6:45... you mean Sherlock Homes? This always annoyed my semi-genius sister, because she wanted to solve the mystery along with Holmes, but the clues were not written into the story, and most were things only someone living in that year would know, like 'he could not have taken the train that day, because that train only runs 3 days a week'.
Snakes are deaf by the way
Yeah, the Holmes stories often have something that Holmes noticed or knew that didn't get shred with Watson/the audience. He'll just notice a footprint and go "Ah-HA!" and dash off or have a totally side adventure that nobody knew about until the very end.
The Joker is kind of a weird case (maybe because 3(+) separate people have used the identity).
It surprised me when I saw it but, in a lot of cases, the Joker is considered to be a legitimate super genius. Expert chemist and biologist, designing and building complex machinery and robotics. Heck, one of his most iconic modern scenes is completely outsmarting Luthor, only to let him & the legion live, saying that whatever the Joker-Batman does to them will be far worse.
It's "Bastard" swirdm because it looks like a bastard of single handed and two handed sword. It usually has two handed handle, but blade is short enough to be used single handed. (I know there are longer single handed swords, like rapier, but they have completely different shape and weight distribution)
Not sure if it comes close to what you were asking about but check out Red's Trope Talk about Pure Evil Villains.
I've come here to say that
15:32, incidentally, in that movie Ratigan never once explains what his evil plan is
I like the troupe of the Villain in his own way is actually helping for the greater good like he was the head of the rebellion against a good ruler so to drawout any future rebels knowing full well he will be forever known as a rebel villain even though in truth he was the most loyal one
If youre curious, a bastard swords name comes from the definition of bastard. Being a illegitimate child.
In this case, the bastard sword is the bastard child of a one handed sword, and a two handed sword, hence their more proper but less common name, hand-and-a-half swords
did anyone here remember Xaiolin Showdown villain Chase Young? that guy not only fit in this trope, he able to win in season 2 because of how he and Omi keep each other promise, showing off how having a personal code that lead to good or bad can be see in different perceptive....
Anti-villain, someone who does good deeds for bad reasons, this often requires a secret evil objective, or just covering up their normal operations, like how organised crime will make life easier for the communities around them, for their protected communities, to the point where the communities don't even see their actions as nefarious.
An anti-villain, could be better described as a realistic villain, many companies and people do great deeds, for awful reasons, like empires building roads, rails, canals, schools, police forces, advanced agriculture, utilities like communication lines (internet, phone, telegraph) or necessities water, electricity, shelter... But the end goal is resource extraction and exploitation of the people, there's a lot of good being done, but the reasons are practically evil, a few decades down the line, and the empire leaves, and the country left behind is screwed, all the easy to access resources are extracted, all the lands have been over-farmed to destruction (dustbowl style).
Yeah, anti-villains are like empires, personified.
Batman never fully committed to being part of the JLA. That was made clear in the Tower of Babel storyarc where Ras Al'Ghul assembles a group of villains to lethally take down the members of the Justice League. It gets revealed that Ras Al'Ghul had broken into the Bat Cave, copied down Bruce's plans to neutralize each member of the Justice League in the event they went crazy and made them lethal. Once the members of the Justice League are saved and the villains defeated, the members of the Justice League tell Batman that they would never make up plans to neutralize any other member, Batman says "Then you are all fools." and leaves.
Despite being a founding member of the JLA, Batman never fully committed to the team and even concocted multiple contingency plans in the event any of the other heroes ever went out of control.
They made an animated movie based off of Tower of Babel called Doom, they changed Ras Al'Ghul to Vandal Savage. Doom stayed fairly true to Tower of Babel, the villains use lethal options to neutralize the various members of the JLA, the heroes find out that these were actually plans stolen from the Bat Computer that Batman had concocted in the event any members of the JLA ever went crazy and modified to be lethal, the heroes get saved, the villains get defeated, the JLA tells Batman that they would never concoct plans to neutralize each other, Batman tells them they are fools for not doing so and leaves.
If you’re thinking of characters made more likable in fan materials than in canon that should be Draco in Leather Pants. A character portrayed far worse in fan materials than in canon is Ron the Death Eater.
“What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil? Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?”
― Lelouch Vi Britannia (Code Geass)
So i just got an idea for a villain: Basically imagine someone who SEEMS like a magnificent bastard on the surface, but it's actually a facade to hide his true nature, an extremely desperate, scared individual, that while intellectual, NEEDs to accomplish his goal, and needs his minions to help him. However because of circumstances, if they figure out his true nature, they will kill him. So basically, in public he will be this slick, smooth intellectual charismatic villain, but behind closed doors, he is an emotional nervous wreck, constantly trying to pull stuff out of his ass, because he is having trouble actually coming up with ways to counteract his plans being foiled. Sure he is intelligent, but not extremely intelligent. And while at first he may seem like the typical manipulative bastard to both the charaters and the audience, soon both will see his true nature. From his lies getting worse throughout the story, to his emotions and desperation leaking through. ...Could a villain like this work?
This is sort of what "Overlord" is. Everyone assumes Ainz is an amazing schemer, but he really is just sort of going with the flow.
The difference is he's OP and his minions are loyal regardless.
@@arthurmoore9488 Ah cool. I gotta check out that anime one day. Is it any good in your opinion?
23:06 Wait, you haven't watch "Mad Love" ??? That's THE original story of Harley Quinn, one of the most famous episode from The New Batman Adventures!
The bastard sword gets its name from its hilt. There are one handed swords (short & arming) and two handed ( Long & great) while bastards are neither one or two handed. The hilt is just to long to be one handed but too short to be two handed
Imagine missing 10+ episodes of actual tabletop gameplay of Fools Gold Sands! You should watch the rest of it so far, imagine the chaos Rooster and Kore been making!
41:55 my mind went to kickass with how Red Myst tried to be cool and in kickass 2 when he changed his name to "yep not saying the name" edge lord anyone🤣
What you want at the end would be the Pure Evil Villains, which yes, Red did do a Trope Talks about.
You'll certainly want to watch Pure Evil Villians at some point.
Looking back to your early comment, one example from one piece is an utterly repugnant character from Sabaody Archipelago who's only positive trait is the way you want to scream "YESSS!!" when he gets punched in the face.
Im surprised "COMCAST " isn't on the list @Airier, lol.
3:28 I literally had trouble FOR YEARS when I was a kid and I first heard that word and tried to understand what it meant.
You should watch FMAB as reactions to make sure you finish :P
9:00 I'll point out, that's the author on the screen saying "it is important to my ego" not the character.
25:40 A villain being popular doesn't make them a magnificent bastard. It is the intelligence, code and charisma that matter. And Joker is (usually) way to petty and chaotic to qualify. (though some depictions of Joker might well qualify.)
26:53 That's not a magnificent bastard you are talking about it is some other type of villain (always chaotic evil/pure evil villain?)
25:44 maybe spike from buffy fits this,something you may like look up mark hamill as frieza it joker voice clips but fits really good
6:42 BBC Sherlock
6:45🤣this reminded me of the old G.I JOE cartoon movie 1987 where Pythona, a woman from the secret civilization Cobra-La reveals to Serpentor that Cobra-La was responsible for inspiring Doctor Mindbender to create him through dream manipulation. and that all his ideas were from a snake bug in his head. magical evil genius tropes in action 🤣
Thanks for this.
As for _Brotherhood_ it's very common to bonce off, mostly because it's so explicitly made for people who know the story from the original and will treat the 1st half as a whistle stop recap; I mean, even the synopsis spoils the 1st major mystery.
The original's certainly not perfect, but it was regarded as the most successful series of all time for a reason and it's generally agreed that it handles the 1st half much better, even if there are some problems with simply trying to watch half of each.
If you want a really good Joker style character, try Xykon from D&D parody webcomic The Order of the Stick. He might be my favorite overall antagonist and manages to be super charismatic while also be both wacky crazy and a complete monster- especially after the first few arcs that aren't taken as seriously and ESPECIALLY the occasional scenes where it really lets him be terrifying.
Joker isn't a magnificient bastard he is a pure evil villain, check Red video on them
I wasn't expecting a reference to the great mouse detective......also you wrong he's not a rat hes a *SEWER RAT*
26:44 The character of Happy Chaos from the video game Guilty Gear Strive (2021) would count as this third type of magnificent bastard. Plus his theme song “Drift” rocks! 🍀
Because going the other way has been OVERDONE to death at this point. Too many villains are forced into being sympathetic at this point
The trope talks on the personification of death is very good.
42:51 old movie list that could have that Magnificent Bas trope warlock 1989, troll 1986, Glass and unbreakable, Labyrinth (1986), The Abominable Dr. Phibes and Dr. Phibes Rises Again, The Pink Panther (1963) are a few that come to mind🤔and Jokers trope reminds me of Puck from A Midsummer Night's Dream. just more mean with the pranks.
32:35 Red has a video on fallen heros I believe
please react to the trope talk on minions next! that one is so good
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I say Deadpool would count.
YES!! WATCH Gargoyles! i grew up on gargoyles. It's on disney plus now. The third season has a different showrunner and different writers, so there's a downgrade in quality, but what is there is still good.
18:38 Wait, what does this say???
Is Ryuga from Beyblade a magnificent bastard?
Would... would Kurumi Tokisaki count? TV Tropes thinks she does, and she consistently stays the same seductive goth girl that's very (rightfully) confident about her powers and extremely willing to murder for her goals through the whole series, but also, she actively shows off several vulnerabilities in her actual villain arc.
1) She loves animals, namely cats. Her primary targets are (would-be) ræpists... and animal abusers, with the former being her _actual_ main target and the others just getting shot up because they pissed her off by kicking kittens around in her vicinity.
2) She doesn't cope well with someone thinking she can be saved or fixed. When Shido claimed she isn't beyond saving, she immediately tried to reaffirm that stance by effectively nuking the school with a spacequake. Only reason she couldn't was because Kotori stopped her.
3) On the topic of Kotori, when she began going berserk, Kurumi... kinda froze up. This is eventually revealed to be a result of trauma, since the former user of Camael was her best friend that she personally had to kill, leaving her unable to fight effectively against a user of Camael's power ever again.
Notably, her goals actually affirm her magnificence. Her ultimate goal is to go back in time and kill the Spirit of Origin before any other spirits were created, thus retconning any spirit-related casualties out of existence. However, her time powers eat up her lifespan, and thus she needs to steal the "time" of _a lot of people_ to pull this off or else she'll die in the process. The moment that Shido and his ridiculous amount of spirit power came into the picture, she decided to "eat" _him_ because that would spare the most lives. Very much a "needs of the many" sort of mentality. The thing that affirms her magnificence here is that "spirit-related casualties" actually includes her own murders that she performed in the name of this goal, meaning that if she succeeded, she would've never become the Worst Spirit.
When read talks about this the magical detective I keep think about the post 52 Batman who automatically solves the case or wins because the writers are hacks or to lazy to come up with an actual reason.
Why can't i minimizes the video to watch it while doing something else? I can do it whit every video except the ones from this Channel all of the suden
Could be an app issue. I thought it might be the aspect ratio, but it worked on my phone. 🤔
@@Airier why does it look like a movie? Is this going to be a new format from here onwards? Why is it like that?
I wonder if Homelander would qualify as a Magnificent Bastard?
A character who has a Reasonable idea but has one specific trait that makes you absolutely hate them
CFW Trick from HyperDimension Neptunia, he just wants to have Easy times in games.
But, to contrast with that Relatable trait. He's also an obvious Disgusting person who....... How do I put it ?
"Wants to Diddle Rom and Ram who are Canonically children"
So, Obviously you don't want to Like CFW Trick
However there is another character who is morally Just but joins a Group of Criminals to work.
CFW Brave, an Honorable man/Machine who just wants to have the best for Children to have have fun with games
One of my favorites
One of my favorite tropes and trope talks ever it's just *magnificent*
Side note I know there's been a Jello controversy but In stars and time is my favorite game of all time and it's been 3 weeks I'm begging I'm on my knees I'm howling at the moon 😂
Airier YOU NEED TO WATCH Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. It's good! Like really really good. Like I've watched over 800 anime and that is one of the best ones ever made.
And fair warning: You will cry while watching it! And you will love it! Or hate! Or both :3
WATCH IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gravity falls Bill Cipher 28:36
If you're looking for more osp to react to I'd recommend Beowulf and don quixote
Oh and personifying death
Hexadecimal?
would eggman count?
Robotnik gets set off too easily by Sonic's taunts and his own failures.
The only one that could MAYBE count is the one from SATAM (and by proxy his Archie comic equivalent), but most modern versions don't really reach the bar.
Gargoyles was amazing although the super late seasons got… strange
Hey, it‘s not a sin to show something that was later destroyed in History in a Comic Book. It has been a part of 🇺🇸 for a very long time. For years. Don‘t make it a non-person.