I think the first problem is that the writers completely ignored the season 3 ending on the bridge. I mean Villanelles search for a better side of herself makes sense, but Eve just being distant after she turned around on that bridge? The plot with the twelve, which was there since season 1, was a joke and left more questions than it answered them. The only thing that people wanted (Villaneve scenes and more of that Jodie - Sandra - chemistry) didn't really happen, which confuses me bc Jodie said she enjoyed very much acting with Sandra for the whole last week. Just ONE episode of them together was not enough. My favourite TV series, castle, shows you that the main characters can be together for many seasons and it still remains a good and funny show. And then, killing off one of the characters and not both is cruel, but not even letting them hold hands was horrible and left me empty. In fact, I'm still pissed about that. The ending sucks out all of your energy and belief that it's worthwhile to fight for something good. Jodie said, she loved the idea of V saving E, which really is a good thought, but I thought that V was the intended target from the start, so she didn't have to protect anyone but herself. And also I'm furious how Carolyn was dragged through the mud in this very last scene after she connected with V in episode 4x04.. What hurts the most is that everything, except for the BAD writing, was really good. The acting was perfect, the music, the decoration and clothes were superb. Sorry for my bad english. Take it easy guys.
The strange thing is that Laura Neal wrote the S3 season finale, from what I read. IDK if this is true but if it is, why would she write such a brilliant & moving episode then when lead writer for S4 chuck it all in the trash to go in a different, convoluted direction??
I agree with all of this. Also I didn’t get the sense in the last scene that V was saving E. I instead felt I was watching two people be senselessly slaughtered.
The finale was bad but Kim Bodnia saying Villanelle gave Konstantin happiness, fun, and the belief that he could survive everything makes me want to cry again🥲
I don't think I've been more disappointed in a final then this one but to be honest I only watched this final series because of jodie comers brilliant acting.
@@gorooooh I always loved it when these two brilliant actresses came together but this last season I thought poor writing and poor plot lines and those final 2 minutes just killed the show.
Agree entirely, but wished I’d never watched the final episode and it well deserved the 2.9 rating on IMDB compared to the sold 8+ ratings of the first three series. Sure Villanelle was a complex flawed character made this way as was Jason Borne but for her deeds she didn’t deserve death in such a cliche no ambiguity manner any more than anyone else.
With the ending I understood that Carolyn was indeed the head all this time. Remember that scene when she and Eve meet at the MI6 pub? Carolyn says something like "finally the head of the twelve in one room" What if she was talking about herself but we didn't notice at first?? what I'm really mad about is the fact that we never got to know who the rest of the twelve were, we barely saw their faces...
Literally wasted an entire season of V and E being apart for this reason and we get a shit ending with no explanation or understanding. It was suuuuuccchh a waste of time😮💨
What made the writers think we cared this much about Carolyn and her story....lol Her storyline was misplaced this season. But hey thanks for the 10 minutes of dialogue between Eve and V this season.
Season 4 only allowed us to enjoy the performances of Jodie, Camille, Sandra, Fiona and Kim. They really are excellent actors. The rest of the series, it was just crap. Laura Neal destroyed the best series in history.
lol whatever the crap this ending was supposed to be, being good is definitely not one of them. 1. You're telling me 4 seasons of this mysterious organization called 12 is resolved in the last 2 minutes of the movie????? 2. I loved Pam, but literally what was her purpose in the show????? 3. The two main characters barely even had a scene together, wth? 4. Did we somehow lost an entire season between s3 and s4? Cuz the start of the s4 definitely didn't make sense to any of the sane minded. 5. I think Laura is getting golden raspberry for the shitiest writing evaaaaaa. Congrats!!!!! You really deserved it.
Excuse me, just watched about 1min and a half, LN showed up and I'm furious agiain. She explained that the viewers maybe want to see the paternal side of K through PAM????!!!!!!! I JUST CAN't STAND IT that she really was not knowing her assignment to finish this series. We already saw that complicated but warmhearted father-daughter relationship through K and V relationship. WHO CARES ABOUT PAM??? LN just set her up for K's ultimate death. That's it!!!!!
It’s funny they wasted so much precious time on the twelve and yet we still know nothing. Such bad writing I can’t even. And this isn’t even nearly the worst thing about season 4.
what I observed about this show's individuals; while they are doing any interview on and off backstage of the killing eve, they really very good at reflecting their feelings and thoughts. So pure and understandable. No trash words. Everything means something. Beautiful portrayals I like it! Empathy is on the top while they are talking, if you really love this show!!!
I completely agree season four was a huge disappointment and the ending made everyone feel cheated, but I still think it's the best television show I've ever seen. After thinking it out it's an ending that does make some sense, but it was just too fast without detail. I wish it would have ended like the book so they could have created more shows in the future. I'm about to finish the first book, which has a happy ending, and highly recommend it.
Thank U for the BTS! It's so good watch them together again🥲 Carolyn is such a vivid and brilliant character but think of what she did to V, no matter what reason she have im not much like her now 💔
All these talented people and their hard work is ruined by Sid Gentle and Laura Neal. I hope no one hires Sid Gentle or Laura Neal to work on a show ever again.
This show needed another season to give us an actual, real relationship after all the teasing of prior seasons. We could easily have done with more Fiona Shaw too, and Kim Bodina... really people... how could you just let this great story and these great characters go in this horrendous way?? I am still in mourning.💔💔💔💔💔♀♀🏳🌈🏴☠
Hot take First I wanna say, Fiona Shaw deserves more praise for her amazing performance. Onto the hot take. They shouldn’t be end game. They are horrible for each other. V has done unspeakable horrors and destroyed E’s life. I wish E killed V actually, i wanted a “dying in my arms” scene where she remembers Bill. And. I wanted even more chaos, they are gasoline and fire, I wanted *more* crazy-tho I loved the intimate, gentle moments of them together, which we should’ve got and did get. One of my favorite storylines is when V faces her own psychopathy. Was I born this way? Probably not. While she tries to better herself, not necessarily to be a good person, but to be better, E is losing herself. She *has* to embrace her darkness to survive in her new life. THIS ISNT A GOOD THING. As someone not straight, I’m sick of everyone in this community romanticizing toxic relationships. Yes it’s fun, their dynamic is hilarious and wild and amazing, and that’s why it’s TV, but IT’S NOT GOOD. Attraction is just that, attraction, and maybe love did blossom, but under duress. THIS IS NOT GOOD. Why is everyone acting like they’re going to settle down with a white picket fence and have three kids? It’s not in V’s character, and it’s not in the character E has become. That’s the irony, they can’t have what they want. This show is shocking, the beauty of it is the quiet moments among the shock, but let’s not pretend they’re a fairytale. I acknowledge the writing in the fourth season wasn’t perfect. V hallucinating herself as Jesus was strange. K’s death was poetry, 5/5.
Ma alla fine chi erano i 12? Che ha fatto Caroline dopo aver fatto sparare a villanelle? Domande senza risposta, Laura Neal sarai ricordata solo x il peggior finale di una serie,cambia lavoro. Ribadisco Eve e villanelle meritavano di meglio
Sandra…was the most uninteresting character by far ! Sandra also sucked , and was definitely the wrongly casted for this character . In layman’s terms, she sucked !
The way I flinched when Laura Neal came on 😭 I’m never getting over what she did
I cannot stand to look it listen to that vile woman now. Makes my blood boil!
I think the first problem is that the writers completely ignored the season 3 ending on the bridge. I mean Villanelles search for a better side of herself makes sense, but Eve just being distant after she turned around on that bridge?
The plot with the twelve, which was there since season 1, was a joke and left more questions than it answered them.
The only thing that people wanted (Villaneve scenes and more of that Jodie - Sandra - chemistry) didn't really happen, which confuses me bc Jodie said she enjoyed very much acting with Sandra for the whole last week. Just ONE episode of them together was not enough. My favourite TV series, castle, shows you that the main characters can be together for many seasons and it still remains a good and funny show.
And then, killing off one of the characters and not both is cruel, but not even letting them hold hands was horrible and left me empty. In fact, I'm still pissed about that. The ending sucks out all of your energy and belief that it's worthwhile to fight for something good. Jodie said, she loved the idea of V saving E, which really is a good thought, but I thought that V was the intended target from the start, so she didn't have to protect anyone but herself.
And also I'm furious how Carolyn was dragged through the mud in this very last scene after she connected with V in episode 4x04..
What hurts the most is that everything, except for the BAD writing, was really good. The acting was perfect, the music, the decoration and clothes were superb. Sorry for my bad english. Take it easy guys.
This was almost perfect
Thank you. Being pissed at Carolyn is just silly... she only did her job. Pity the writer didn't do her's.
The strange thing is that Laura Neal wrote the S3 season finale, from what I read. IDK if this is true but if it is, why would she write such a brilliant & moving episode then when lead writer for S4 chuck it all in the trash to go in a different, convoluted direction??
@@sitori663 You're right, if that's actually true then I'm even more confused bc the season 3 finale was written beautifully.. 🤔
I agree with all of this. Also I didn’t get the sense in the last scene that V was saving E. I instead felt I was watching two people be senselessly slaughtered.
@@M.M.424 Julian Dominique Official person was talking about Carolyn's character made none of sense compared in 1 season throughout 3 season.
The finale was bad but Kim Bodnia saying Villanelle gave Konstantin happiness, fun, and the belief that he could survive everything makes me want to cry again🥲
Laura Neal messed up so bad. She should be embarrassed of herself. She ruined the best show ever.
Soooooo true
She's going to use a pseudonym from now on.
this is true ;((
She just ruined the ending. The series is still magnificent due to the actors.
Was it JUST her?
I don't think I've been more disappointed in a final then this one but to be honest I only watched this final series because of jodie comers brilliant acting.
Stay away from Game of Thrones too then, just a warning. I cant even look at Danys real life character without getting a depression, now Jodie too.
@@spooks77 sorry to say I've seen game of thrones it definitely puts you off rewatching them.
and villaneve scenes also
@@gorooooh I always loved it when these two brilliant actresses came together but this last season I thought poor writing and poor plot lines and those final 2 minutes just killed the show.
Agree entirely, but wished I’d never watched the final episode and it well deserved the 2.9 rating on IMDB compared to the sold 8+ ratings of the first three series. Sure Villanelle was a complex flawed character made this way as was Jason Borne but for her deeds she didn’t deserve death in such a cliche no ambiguity manner any more than anyone else.
Very bad writing Laura Neal you really messed up with season 4 and that god awful finale. We demand a rewrite or another season! Bring PWB back!
after all that we didnt even find out who was at the top of the twelve
With the ending I understood that Carolyn was indeed the head all this time. Remember that scene when she and Eve meet at the MI6 pub? Carolyn says something like "finally the head of the twelve in one room" What if she was talking about herself but we didn't notice at first?? what I'm really mad about is the fact that we never got to know who the rest of the twelve were, we barely saw their faces...
Literally wasted an entire season of V and E being apart for this reason and we get a shit ending with no explanation or understanding. It was suuuuuccchh a waste of time😮💨
What made the writers think we cared this much about Carolyn and her story....lol Her storyline was misplaced this season. But hey thanks for the 10 minutes of dialogue between Eve and V this season.
Season 4 only allowed us to enjoy the performances of Jodie, Camille, Sandra, Fiona and Kim. They really are excellent actors. The rest of the series, it was just crap. Laura Neal destroyed the best series in history.
This 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
lol whatever the crap this ending was supposed to be, being good is definitely not one of them.
1. You're telling me 4 seasons of this mysterious organization called 12 is resolved in the last 2 minutes of the movie?????
2. I loved Pam, but literally what was her purpose in the show?????
3. The two main characters barely even had a scene together, wth?
4. Did we somehow lost an entire season between s3 and s4? Cuz the start of the s4 definitely didn't make sense to any of the sane minded.
5. I think Laura is getting golden raspberry for the shitiest writing evaaaaaa. Congrats!!!!! You really deserved it.
Jumpscare: Laura Neal
No questions were answered. Finale such a disappointment.
I love Konstantin. The best character, human and dark at same time.
Excuse me, just watched about 1min and a half, LN showed up and I'm furious agiain. She explained that the viewers maybe want to see the paternal side of K through PAM????!!!!!!! I JUST CAN't STAND IT that she really was not knowing her assignment to finish this series. We already saw that complicated but warmhearted father-daughter relationship through K and V relationship. WHO CARES ABOUT PAM??? LN just set her up for K's ultimate death. That's it!!!!!
It’s funny they wasted so much precious time on the twelve and yet we still know nothing. Such bad writing I can’t even. And this isn’t even nearly the worst thing about season 4.
Lmao facts
what I observed about this show's individuals; while they are doing any interview on and off backstage of the killing eve, they really very good at reflecting their feelings and thoughts. So pure and understandable. No trash words. Everything means something. Beautiful portrayals I like it! Empathy is on the top while they are talking, if you really love this show!!!
Bro I can’t. Maybe they could explain why they ignored the previous 3 seasons
I completely agree season four was a huge disappointment and the ending made everyone feel cheated, but I still think it's the best television show I've ever seen. After thinking it out it's an ending that does make some sense, but it was just too fast without detail. I wish it would have ended like the book so they could have created more shows in the future. I'm about to finish the first book, which has a happy ending, and highly recommend it.
Thank U for the BTS! It's so good watch them together again🥲 Carolyn is such a vivid and brilliant character but think of what she did to V, no matter what reason she have im not much like her now 💔
7:26 you can say villanelle was your favourite kill. we know YOU WANT TO
So sad of how this series ended..
It's very cruel after 2 years of covid give a end disastrous the public
Rewrite the ending
Phoebe Waller-Bridge has to rewrite the entire season 4
Honestly I’d be happy if they just reverse time somehow and change the end
I’m sorry for also Fiona Shaw. The ending in those 2 minutes destroyed even the actors’ memory of working together
All these talented people and their hard work is ruined by Sid Gentle and Laura Neal. I hope no one hires Sid Gentle or Laura Neal to work on a show ever again.
4:27 Darling Fiona, the wall came down in 1989
We dont care about the twelve
Omg i think these people doesn't realize that THEY RUINED THE WHOLE SHOW!
10:35 god I'll miss them :,)
They cut so many scenes that's supposed to be with Villanelle in it, and decided to put the girl named Pam (useless character)!
I will be cancelling Season 4 from my memory. Killing Eve will have to end in that bridge in season 3.
Are you ashamed?
season 4 was extremely boring. i skipped through so much and was still able to follow every part of the story. so much wasted time
God I can't stand Laura Neal nor the writers. Anticimatic end. It's like they didn't understand the assignment
1:04 pam wasn’t important
Fiona Shaw: the wall came down in the '60s.
People from Earth: huh?
Messing this show this badly is like having kobe beef and cook it on the microwave. A huge waste of potential.
2:22 us, all of us
1:27 HE WAS PATERNAL WITH V
5:00 i really like her!
Laura: really? Well im about to make everyone else hate her
The thumbnail is really upsetting
This show needed another season to give us an actual, real relationship after all the teasing of prior seasons. We could easily have done with more Fiona Shaw too, and Kim Bodina... really people... how could you just let this great story and these great characters go in this horrendous way?? I am still in mourning.💔💔💔💔💔♀♀🏳🌈🏴☠
the fire hose kill makes no sense at all. there should have been blood going all over Villanelle
I thought this too
Laura neal public enemy
Please, who killed Kenny? 😢
Hot take
First I wanna say, Fiona Shaw deserves more praise for her amazing performance. Onto the hot take.
They shouldn’t be end game. They are horrible for each other. V has done unspeakable horrors and destroyed E’s life. I wish E killed V actually, i wanted a “dying in my arms” scene where she remembers Bill. And. I wanted even more chaos, they are gasoline and fire, I wanted *more* crazy-tho I loved the intimate, gentle moments of them together, which we should’ve got and did get.
One of my favorite storylines is when V faces her own psychopathy. Was I born this way? Probably not. While she tries to better herself, not necessarily to be a good person, but to be better, E is losing herself. She *has* to embrace her darkness to survive in her new life. THIS ISNT A GOOD THING.
As someone not straight, I’m sick of everyone in this community romanticizing toxic relationships. Yes it’s fun, their dynamic is hilarious and wild and amazing, and that’s why it’s TV, but IT’S NOT GOOD. Attraction is just that, attraction, and maybe love did blossom, but under duress. THIS IS NOT GOOD. Why is everyone acting like they’re going to settle down with a white picket fence and have three kids? It’s not in V’s character, and it’s not in the character E has become. That’s the irony, they can’t have what they want. This show is shocking, the beauty of it is the quiet moments among the shock, but let’s not pretend they’re a fairytale.
I acknowledge the writing in the fourth season wasn’t perfect. V hallucinating herself as Jesus was strange. K’s death was poetry, 5/5.
we brought back Lucifer, why not Vilanelle?
Ma alla fine chi erano i 12? Che ha fatto Caroline dopo aver fatto sparare a villanelle? Domande senza risposta, Laura Neal sarai ricordata solo x il peggior finale di una serie,cambia lavoro. Ribadisco Eve e villanelle meritavano di meglio
You destroyed the series with that last season and especially the final episode. I’m very disappointed ☹️
Laura Neal, estragou o final da série nunca vou perdoar.
season 4 was boring, anticlimactic, choppy,
bad writing all around
..to me the "Gunn" character was over exposed and annoying. How could V and her become "buddies" after being shot in the back by an arrow?
What a waste of time.
👊 🅿🆁🅾🅼🅾🆂🅼
ffs
Worst finale ever/bad writing ....Why?
I don’t get why everyone is so mad we knew it was going to happen it had to happen
We had to have a terrible Season 4?
Blame the bad ending in season 4!
Season 4 *had* to make no sense?
Sandra…was the most uninteresting character by far ! Sandra also sucked , and was definitely the wrongly casted for this character . In layman’s terms, she sucked !
excuse me??
@@eveism You confused about something ? Sorry the role had a something at the beginning but between desperate writing and over delivering, it failed .
Are you a jerk?
Unattractive 😢😢😢😢
@@pvelvet1483 Why say that ?
Laura is really happy with herself for ruining the show… 😳😐🙄🫤🥴