RAM 1500 New 3.0L Inline-6 TWIN TURBO Engine **Heavy Duty Mechanic Reviews** | Goodbye HEMI
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- I review the New RAM 3.0 Liter Inline-6 TWIN TURBO Hurricane Engine coming out in 2023. I talk about the pros and cons of this new engine as a heavy duty mechanic for ram 1500 trucks and ram 2500 trucks. I also share some details about the potential new engine and talk about the horsepower ratings for both the low and high output version of this new hurricane engine. very exciting stuff, but this could be the end of production for the 5.7 hemi engine.
I hope everyone is having a great week! I figured I would dive into what this new speculated inline 6 twin turbo engine is all about. So i did some research and figured I would share my opinions on this new Chrysler engine platform.
Unfortunately I think the rumors are true in that the 5.7 hemi and potentially the 6.4 hemi are going to stop being made and this engine will be their replacement. now there will two version of this potential new 3.0 liter engine.
the low output version will pump out around 400 horsepower with 425 torques. it will run a cast aluminum block and head, dual over head cam with direct injection, so it wont be a slow engine at all and very comparable to the current v8 hemi. this is a twin turbo set up and can run with about 22 psi of boast. these engine also have the benefit of being an unsquared engine meaning that they will be able to produce torque very easily with the long crank throw leading to a nice mechanical advantage.
the high output version of the shares much of the low out engine but will have bigger turbos with more boast (26 psi). most importantly the internals will 100% forged meaning this engine will be able to take a beating. as well as larger water to air cooler and heavier duty oil pumps and fueling system this engine will put out north of 500 Horsepower which is impressive for only a 3.0L engine. the major downside is that you will have to run 91 octane fuel aka premium fuel which really sucks.
So do I like the idea of Chrysler replacing the hemi with these engines? it's tough to tell at this point but I do think there are pros and cons.
first pro is the tunability of these new engines. I bet people can make big power out of these inline 6 engines with a simple tune which an naturally asperated V8 cannot.
the other thing is these are inline 6 engines meaning they will produce torque very easily and will be able to pull nicely.
fuel economy is claimed to 15% better then the 5.7 hemi. But I have my doubts
now here is what concerns me in a nut shell. the fuel economy numbers will have to be confirmed in the real would. but the fact that the high out put version will have to use premium fuel basically voids any savings at all on fuel for the consumer which makes no sense. reliability is a concern. the 5.7 hemi was not a perfect engine but it was a decent unit and was a pretty simple style of engine. whereas these twin turbo engines will have a lot of extra componentry and well as having to run very precisely having over 20 Psi of boast shoved into the engine. the most obvious one is the sound, ram not having that loud v8 in their trucks is just going to be a shame and that inline 6 is going to be heavily muffled by those turbos which will give it a dull sound in my opinion.
anyways guys I hope you liked this video and I can't wait to get my hands on this new engine! - Авто та транспорт
For hauling or towing, a gas V-8 will always be my personal choice. I know the inline 6 has plenty of power with the turbos and lots of grunt. I don't like turbos. When they fail, and they will, get your wallet out! As an old dragracer...there's no substitute for cubic inches! I know I'm old school, but that's just me, V-8, dual exhaust am I'm a happy camper!
you are not wrong. turbos are not cheap. I will miss the v8 hemi because they are great engines.
Love my V8s. That said what you say about turbos was true in the 70s & early 80s car turbos that didn’t have proper cooling plus people not understand dos & don’t with turning up boost, fuel, octane needs and pre computer controlled. Turbos are often lasting the life of the motor these days. Not just semi truck turbos lasting a million miles but pick up truck turbos lasting 1/2 million & more. Cost isn’t necessarily way more than say fixing a Hemi that rounded its cam. Pros & cons to both just saying the turbo boogie man needs to go away.
Straight 6 all day l0ong in a work truck. If you want to show off and be a poser go ahead. Folks like you killed the slant 6 the 250 and the 300 straight 6.
A twin turbo straight 6 will always smoke a V-8.
@@JWBEATY1012 I guess you missed my point. Maybe your turbo wasn't spooled up all the way! I have owned a few Slant sixes and a Chevy 250 in-line in one of my old trucks. Reread what I wrote and NOTICE I said it was MY personal preference. By the way, THERE'S NO SUBSTITUTE FOR CUBIC INCHES! Just an old racer from the early 70'S!
I prefer to tow with my diesel but love tearing around in my V8 gas.
I'll be keeping my 5.7 Hemi V8 Ram 1500. I love the sound, feel, responsiveness, simplicity and performance of that naturally-aspirated, pushrod V8.
And reliability. These new engines are over engineered and not built for reliability
There is no replacement for displacement. My neighbor traded his V6 ecoboost for a 5.7 powered truck because towing fuel consumption was outrageous.
That’s the thing. V6 and in-line 6 are a whole different ball game. In-line 6s are monsters and I’m glad they’re bringing them back because they’re amazing for torque
At these boost levels, longevity is definitely a concern
As long as the intake air temps are kept cool and enough fuel is sprayed onto the pistons to cool them, there shouldn’t be any issues. Guys who tune them for max power then tow 15000lbs up a 7% grade for 4 miles might have problems.
As long as.... Until... Then?
That's the reason why you do NOT buy the first few years of a new design. Saves you from being the guinea pig.
Plenty of turbo sixes with 180-200,000 mi on them, still on the road with original turbos on them
I want to now max tow capacity. I doubt the baseline engine would of fit my needs during home renovation. I maxed out trucks tow capacity hauling debris away on trailer and I go pick up my own lumber for fireplace every year. Will these little engines be able to keep up and pull loads that might exceed truck ratings every so often like a V8? I am not sold on anything that downsizes the low end, don’t care about high end.
I can’t wait for this engine to hit the market. For one, I’m a truck driver and I love turbocharged in-line 6 engines. Diesels have a very narrow powerband while gasoline engines have a very broad one. That’s a plus for this engine. The difference in fuels is a concern. Diesel is a lubricant, while gasoline is a solvent. Gasoline is volatile so Keeping the intake air cool as well as coolant and oil will be key to the longevity of the engine. I’m excited. So long as they don’t mess up some silly things like bearing clearances (bmw), I think it’ll be a good towing engine.
Interesting power outage. Will wait two years to see how many get recalled?
I have a 05 300c with 318,+k on all original drive train. Still a daily and very strong. 20-25mpg city and highway. In my family there is a 05 and 08 trucks. All have the 5.7 hemi with 250,k plus all factory equipment. EXCELLENT engine
My dad's generation can't quit talking about how great the straight 6's were. I'm pretty excited that they are coming back and I would expect good things from it.
Great video as always. You are simply the best when it comes to truck engines. Keep up the good work.
91 octane is the same thing I been explaining to every Toyota owner who brags about fuel mileage. American brand vehicles are typically built requiring only 87 octane but buying mainly a Toyota almost the entire lineup actually states on the gas cap 91 octane. This was also in the newer Nissan Titan to achieve max power. In japan 91 octane isn’t a premium fuel so those vehicles are easily filled there but bringing them here they cost you between $.50 to $1.20 more per gallon depending on what liberals state you live in..
love the review brother, thanks..
I’m with Jamison on this and I also think long-term where it’s gonna be a factor with the smaller motor working harder I feel like a larger motor can relax down the road less throttle when loaded
great point. the 5.7 was never worked (unless you really put your foot into it) those engine had tons of power that an unloaded truck really never put a load on it.
Yep, agree, Scotty Kilmer always says this, planned obsolescence and in the name of squeezing more MPG, 100K miles without major service will be a rarity.
Inline 6 cylinders have always been bullet proof and unreal longevity whether gas or diesel.
@@georgehunter4023 that 4.0L inline 6 was a great motor, Great torque, had a ‘91 Jeep Wrangler, I would love to find a low mileage 2006 (last of the 4.0s) manual, very hard to come by, and when you do, a lot them have rusted out frames.
@@georgehunter4023 if kept within their tolerances then yeah, they're bulletproof. A Jeep cherokee, an unloaded half ton pickup, etc. put any non-diesel 6 cylinder in any workhorse pickup and watch it struggle. Horse it too much to make up for lack of power and watch it eventually shit the bed. Like somebody said elsewhere in the comments said, "power, efficiency, durability.......you can only pick two"
Either pay for a capable gas hog, settle for a smaller underpowered pickup, or get some boosted low-displacement engine and be ready to pay for an engine swap by 100k miles
On one hand, it sucks that N/A V8s are getting phased out but if I had to choose an alternative, a turbo straight six would be the best possible outcome for me.
ya I agree with that. the sought after 6.7 cummins is an inline 6 turbo engine and it seems to be okay lol
Totally agree, I hope the hurricane motor took a few things from the B58. Would be nice to have the option of the 5.7 and the 3.0tt just to satisfy all customers
@@PapiAndrey they won't though.
They've drank the koolaid and are now pushing it on others.
Planning on going FOOLISHLY electric with the Charger/Challey/300? Yeah no fucking thank you. My time is worth more than having to wait for those overblown paperweights to sit and charge.
I will never buy a vehicle newer than 2014. Too many of them have electric power steering, brake assist and most dangerously, may be hacked locally. Besides everything new looks exactly the same, no matter the brand.
@@DarkInstinct05 yeah I can agree with you there, I’m not comfortable with the way everything is going electric and the govt will be able to just shut down your car if they deem it necessary. It’s already possible for someone to do it now.
And the way the govt looks like it’s going, I have no doubt that will be in the near future. Brain implants becoming a real thing, new world order, crazy to think it’s not a conspiracy like we all thought not too long ago
@@PapiAndrey wasn't California limiting already limiting their EV charging during the brown outs this last summer? Even at your own home, allegedly the EV's would not accept a charge due to "power supply shortages".
Why do you think manufacturers are foolishly pushing full Electric? Control of the people is an idea
I still like pushrod v8s because they tend to last without major damage. I tolerate my GM transmission because my 5.3 v8 is such a champ.
try and name an inline 6 engine that wasn't bullet proof and lasts longer than the vehicle it was in.
@@georgehunter4023 BMW had an issue with the oil pump nut unthreading itself on some of their inline sixes. Chrysler had issues with their old inline sixes as well due to coolant issues. GM will soon have issues with oil pump belts. I did like the atlas 4200 but they has chain guide issues, ignition coils, and at 600hp their tensioner will kill the bearings through mechanical suicide. Ford rangers with inline 6 also liked head gaskets.
@@D3AThCAl2DS Ford Ranger never had a inline 6... an inline 4 yes. But Ford did have an 6 which was the 300-6. One of the best motors Ford ever put out. It was used in their industrial based products like tractors, tugs and generators etcc.. Some even found their way into F150s and F250s. Also some Broncos. I have one in my 1990 Full Size Bronco. That motor will pull a house down.
@@D3AThCAl2DS BMW’s B58 is one of the best modern inline 6’s ever made, if not the best.
@@D3AThCAl2DS I’m pretty sure that isn’t from the engine but rather fuelling.
The only not reliable BMW 6s are the N54 and maybe S54, but then again during that era their V10 and V8 were also unreliable so that isn’t from the engine.
Now their B58 and S58 are really reliable and are the modern 2JZs, they’re closed deck blocks
I remember the slant six dodge 225 and the chevy inline six 230. Both were so easy to work on. That slant six was one tough little engine even if you were hard on it. Manifolds and the starter were very easy to get to.
I have the 3.5L Ecooboost in a 2019 F-150. It’s a wonderful engine for someone like me who usually doesn’t tow but occasionally does tow a heavy box trailer. Without a trailer I usually beat the EPA stated fuel economy, but when the power is need or wanted it’s there, big time. If Fiat Chrysler did this engine right it’ll be great, but it has to be done right. Making a turbo engine efficient is not as easy as slapping turbos and after cooler, fortunately Ford did it right. Although I wouldn’t recommend this engine for someone who tows heavy often, if you’re using the power you have to make it with gasoline there’s no way around it.
Of course I wish my 3.5Lt was a staight six and it’ll never match the melodic sounds of a V8, but it’s a great engine besides.
I would not expect Ram puts this into the 2500 or 3500 because of the same reason Ford kept the Ecooboost away from there HD platforms and declined the 7.3L V8. There aren’t any CAFE standards on the 3/4 and above trucks, they don’t have to test on the EPA’s fuel economy test. They only need to worry about real world fuel economy that costumers see. I’d expect Ram to get as much mileage possible out of the 6.4L V8 in the 2500 & 3500 for this reason.
I tow pretty heavy pretty often with my 3.5. That's what I love about it. It pulls better than my v8 hands down. I don't expect good mileage from a gasoline motor while towing in any case, but it hauls great and I haven't had a problem once out of my Gen 1 3.5.
Thing is all the v6 turbo tech sounds cool with nice power. But any hwy towing the fuel mileage vs power none towing is nothing to write about
Hemi's have Cam and Lifter Failure, MDS issues, Dropping Valves on the 6.1's (so many 150k mile SRT8's for sale with redone heads and/or for sale blown up), oil consumption, they eat exhaust manifold bolts like clockwork, waterpumps go 75k at best etc. I own a 2500 Hemi and will continue to drive it for many years to come but I'm not blind to the issues. This is a very positive setup forward and will bring FCA into the modern age. There's millions and millions of Hemi's on the road still, take your pick if you don't want the new straight six.
Great channel nice to hear someone who actually knows what they’re talking about
Straight six is a very balanced design, that’s why almost all big diesel trucks are sixes. A Jaguar 6 sounds wonderful. As long as it is built properly it will be great. The Ford 2.7 turbo six is a great engine. I think turbo sixes are going to be the the new v8 ‘s. I would much rather have an inline 6 verses a V6.
That’s not true. Most American semi are inline 6 because the front of the truck can be more aerodynamic.
I have a 2016 f150 2.7 , very good when you don’t have to pull my 5000 pound trailer. This summer Ford replaced the heads under warranty . The mechanic asked me if l was tolling long distance on hilly highways . My concern are: the eco boost are hard on gas when tolling and not as reliable as my 5.4 -2000 ford…. It’s got lots of pick from the start and have no problem passing with or without my trailer. The truck engine and transmission just needs more cooling when I am tolling . It’s start of winter and my transmission runs at 94 degrees C or 212F
@@kamlee4010 OMG, you have been reading bull shook on forums about the 2.7. You don't have a F165 and you have never towed with one. Unlike you, I have videos of me towing 6,000 lbs. and I didn't have any problems. The engine was made for towing and the transmission didn't run hot. Let me know and I will send you the video of me towing my 2001 Cadillac Deville on a Uhaul trailer. That's about 6,000 lbs.
I agree
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i had 2 Hemi's (08 and a 16) with 0 issues with either. Solid power plant and good power. I bought an 19 F-150 with a 3.5L EcoBoost. This truck is a blast to drive. I have added a custom tune and CAI. This thing pulls hard. On 93 its an animal. I still say Ram has a nicer truck overall, but this engine is hard to beat. I would be very interested in this new engine, but would wait a yr or two so the bugs can be worked out. As for adding a tune to this engine, I would be skeptical. Ram has these ecu locked up pretty tight. Even with the Hemi, there is very few tunes available with minimal gains. BTW the Hemi and 3.5 EB get the same mileage.
My dad drives a 2020 ford with that same engine and I have a 2019 Ram 1500, and by what he tells me, I was telling him that we got the same gas mileage. If I kept my foot out of it and did a steady cruse at 70mph with minimum hills I could average 21 to 23mpg
I think it is funny how some people are calling themselves old school when talking about their "old fashioned" V8s yet their fathers or fathers were saying the same about their inline 6 engines half a century ago. Starting in 1965, the Ford 300 inline 6 was used to power F-250s and the way up to F-600s. The GM 292 inline 6 was used in 3/4 tons and up. These two engine are known to be the most reliable bulletproof engines ever to grace a pickup truck.
Exactly 300 inline 6 is actually big enough to do something unlike 3.0 which will always rev too high until it blows up
I bought at a discount a brand new black 2023 Ram 1500 Sport Night Edition with that trusty 5.7 HEMI, and I'll be keeping it for quite a long time. I wouldn't be surprised that on the used trucks market, the Ram with the HEMIs will be sought for.
The idea of straight 6/turbo configuration is ideal, but to do well in an HD application they will need to up the displacement to the 5.0L neighborhood. The small turbo motors will suffer from the effects of constant high boost scenarios.
I agree, I had a Ford 4.9L (300cu) straight six. It wasn’t fast, but it had plenty of power for truck purposes. I have a 2500 with a Hemi now and I’m not convinced a turbo 3.0 is a good replacement.
I dont think they won't put these in the HD applications. HD trucks don't need to follow EPA standards. Even they did it wouldnt work i think. The amount of boost you would need would be way too much and destroy the engine. Just my opinion and I've definitely been wrong before.
Also concerned by the direct injection. I bought my 2020 PW hoping it would go 200k miles. Can't imagine having to take off the intake every 60k miles to walnut blast the intake valves.
I mean ever hemi owner I know including myself has replaced an exhaust manifold by 100k
Put a catch can on it
Put a catch can on it or EGR delete.
@@ruckus__ the minute you do that, any warranty is voided, that is the problem.
At least Toyota GDI also put injectors above the valve too, to wash it off, and resolve any carbon buildup.
I'll always prefer a V8 but if we must have a straight six, I would like to see a bigger displacement (at least 5.0L).
Could be possible
Especially a naturally aspirated one. I hated when they cancelled the Jeep 4.0.
So did I hear you right. Did you say they are going to spray a layer of iron to line the aluminum cylinders. So basically. This engine is being engineered to fail. Once the engine is damaged it won’t be rebuild able. It a use and toss product model sounds like. Meaning they aren’t looking for long engine life
I think the fact that it's a straight 6 over a v6 is a very good move. In this age, I think the hurricane is the best we could hope for. But I agree. I will not be putting premium in my truck, unless fuel prices are cut in half lol...
It's a step down in almost every way over the hemi. But atleast the epa is happy
It's a step up from that dog of an engine "hemi" Inline 6 is the best engine design there is, and its not even close. When actual power and longevity matter, you will find that every semi truck on the market worth having runs an inline 6. There's a big reason for that. This might be the best engine Ram ever had in it. I have an ecoboost, and I can out tow every v8 on the market easily, and the truck is a race car when empty. I'm jealous of the new inline 6.
@@mmateri the 5.7 is better
@@grantfuller6123 5.7 is a pussy engine that makes too much noise for not enough power.
@@grantfuller6123 😂😂😂😂
While I am not an auto mechanic, I have been using Dodge V-8's and Cummins powered Dodge trucks and I don't foresee these twin turbo 6 cylinders that have half the displacement holding up.
This may be good for an SUV or a half ton truck but not an HD truck. Displacement is necessary for an HD truck. Longevity and being able to take abuse comes with a bigger motor.
@@Greg-ro1sf Agreed
Alloy block says it all.
Aluminum is not the material to be using on these hi rev blocks.
At 68 years old I guess I'll always be old school. I love the V8 engines from the 350 4 bolt main Chevy, the old Ford 289 V8, of yesteryear, to the 5.7 Hemi 4 bolt main today. That said, there were two exceptions. The old dodge 225 slant six I had in a 1980 Dodge Diplomat wagon was no powerhouse but it was bulletproof. A strong engine. The other was the Ford inline 6 cyl 300 ci I had in my 1986 F150. A very reliable strong engine. I've had Fords, Chevy, and Dodge over the many years. Today I have a 2020 Ram Bighorn 4x4 with 3:92s and the 5.7 Hemi. I really like the Hemi and I'll stay with it. My Dad had a 1973 Datsun 4 cyl 2wd pickup we use to take hunting and do dump runs. I remember one winter when the ole Datsun was the only vehicle that would start when all the newer vehicles wouldn't. That little truck was like a tank. I've had a 2014 F150 with the 3.5 twin turbo. It ran great but at the time I always worries about something going wrong with the turbos so I traded it for a 16 GMC Siera Denali with the 5.3 V8. It was a great motor but the transmission shuttered.
I'll add in I hate the idea of electric trucks. I don't think the country is set up good enough for them yet and imho, the batteries take way too long to charge and the range is obserdly poor. Considering everything, I think I'd feel better about Rams new 6 cyl if they were just good old boy naturally aspirated engines. They wouldn't have the Hemi sound but I think they would be a good rugged motor. Maybe they should just make that an option and keep the Hemi's
Powerful, efficient, durable. You can only pick two...
The direct injection sounds like a problem. The ecoboost engines tried that at first, but the injector downstream of the valve led to carbon buildup. They had to do a binary injector setup just to keep the carbon buildup at bay.
The direct injection is not a problem, but with the port injection added fixes any carbon buildup . If direct injection is such a problem I wonder why Toyota copied it from ford?
@@paulhunter9613 you pretty much just reiterated the latter half of my point
@@knote4958 and what I said in the first part of the reply is that it’s no longer a “problem”. Direct injection does work well, even better with port injection, I don’t see why you are complaining about it, like I said if any of this was problematic Toyota wouldn’t have copied it and used on their engine
@@paulhunter9613 direct injection on its own is a problem, it does nothing but foul up valves, taking a step back and adding a port injector is the only way to remedy that. My point is that on its own it doesn't work, it requires the redundancy of an older injection design, so how much benefit does it have to overcome the added cost
@@knote4958 direct injection has been used in many Euro turbo applications and isn't a problem, so much as it requires higher maintenance. VW 1.8t has been used in tons of applications and doesn't use a port injector as a redundancy.
Port injection naturally comes with its own issues, and isn't as controllable as direct injection. Fuel trims can be adjusted more accurately with port injection.
I would be more more concerned about the coolant feed and drain system for the turbos than the fuel system from a reliability stand point.
Yay another plasma lined cylinder bore. Just like the new 5.0 ford , the rings won't seat and drinks oil like crazy.
Damn is that why my wifes truck over 10k miles with no leaks to be seen looses a couple qts
Had a 19 with 23000 kms and it drank just over 2 liters every 8000 km. Ford gave me a longer dip stick so it wouldn't be below the add mark though.
@@patl8363 in a short time ford will have given you a 4’ long dipstick!
Great video, thank you! My friend has uncle work in Chrysler dealership, and he told that "no way the American NA Hemi will be fully replaced by small turbo engine from Europe". I also think, that they will work on development in parallel on I6 and Hemi.
I hope you right. It would suck losing the hemi
The Hemi may not go away right away, but no way they are doing new development on it. It’s dead man walking. When is the only question.
@@jeanchapman1301 the hemi is on life support now
I bought a 2016 6.4. It turned out to be a vehicle for a states road crew.
Ran great for 2 years but it developed the hemi tick big time.
Had it been a truck I just drove I wouldn’t have cared.
My wife travels with horses so I needed to make sure she was taken care of.
Bought a 2022 3500 diesel. Hope there are no issues.
The 2016 truck is still out there running per car fax.
The Jeep 4.0 is one of my Favorite sounding engines totally different animal then any fiat junk
Also Cummins said they are working on converting the 6.7 to a gas engine imagine that in a HD truck 👍
The old AMC engine sounds rlly cool
I’ve repaired way too many piece of junk 3.6s at the dealer I’m very happy we are phasing out that pile of junk for a new design
Its the hemis too boss. Every single one. Look at all the plastic on the hurricane motor. You really think its gonna be more reliable then a N/A v6? I want what your smoking. The pentastar was a very good v6. You dont even need to work on these cars to know how to fix them. There idiotproof.
They're phasing it out for something just as bad or even worse. 😂
I was super curious about this engine so thanks for the Information! Like a few people have said no replacement for displacement! I do have a question totally off this topic and was wondering if you could do a video on airbags vs Timbren for towing, for a 1500 ram
Well it just so happens my friend with a 2021 rebel is going to put air bags on his truck so we can dive into that!
@@TheGettyAdventures thanks Alex! Your the man!!!!!
I pull campers, I know what’s needed to pull most 5th wheels, travel trailers etc. I first used a hemi 5.7, then a Cummins 5.9, and now a ten turbo in-line 6 from ford, it’s the best, it’s what all the Canadians use when pulling their 5th wheels. It’s insane in the torque arena. I wonder if Chrysler will be able to compete.
It’ll sound awesome! The old Datsun / Nissan L24/L28 engines with the right exhaust and cam sound incredibly similar to a V8 at idle and lower RPM operation. However, at 7000 rpm’s the engines sound completely different.
Your right on a couple of issues, first high HP small displacement aluminum engines with 2 turbos are inherently short-lived and very complex motors. While they work ok in cars, they're only pulling around 3500 lbs. Ram trucks weight in at between 5800-8000 lbs. with no load. GM got away with aluminum blocks in their LS series but they're heavily gusseted, have 6 bolt main bearing caps and they're V8's. Ford is using turbos in their Eco-Boost engines and they're surviving, sort of, but you either get Eco or Boost, not both. If Ram perhaps started with a rock solid cast iron block, maybe they could hang a lot of screamers on the sides of the engine and keep reliability, but knowing the industry, cheap, light and quick to build is the mantra. Mass is mass and little screaming engines just struggle to deal with it long term. Oh, and yes the Chrysler high performance hemi (SRT) offices have been closed up and engineers reassigned, end of another era. That's what happens when you sell your soul to the government for a bailout.
For HD work, people are going to get the turbo-diesel inline 6 anyway. For light and medium duty trucks, I'm sure they can make an aluminum block that lasts. Yes, as mentioned, they will need proper gusseting. No big deal. I don't see it as an issue.
With the hemi you never see what eco is about
Hey Alex will a car back exhaust void warranty? If it doesn’t would you make the 6.4 louder or some exhaust work on it?
Just got back from a 800 mile trip to the mountains and back, driving my 2019 Ram Semi. It got 24.5 mpg for the trip!
The 5.7 and the 6.4 are old yes, fuel efficient ehh not really, BUT tried and true and very reliable. I'd take the hemi over anything. I have a '22 rebel and absolutely love it. Fuel milage is whatever I'd rather the smiles per gallon. If the new engine made about 25-30mpg sure. But I say don't fix what's not broken.
if you didn't have the rebel your fuel economy would be much better. those 3.92 off road/towing gears really take a hit on the fuel economy. and ya exactly you would figure that if they were trying to make the trucks more efficient the new engine would be like 25mpg but it's only 15% more efficient and even that figure I doubt.
@@TheGettyAdventures oh I agree 100%. But I got the rebel knowing the milage wasn't great. If I wanted great milage I would have gotten a prius. But dodge was always in performance mode with everything. They were never known for fuel milage. Just performance.
I also have a '22 Rebel and it puts a smile on my face every time I fire that Hemi up! I didn't buy it for its gas mileage, I bought it to have FUN and I do!
@Tommy Walton Have the same, 17 mpg city 16.5 hwy at 70 mph. 87 octane or 89 does improve mpg about1/2 mpg per gallon.
“Smiles per Gallon” that’s how I rate my Ram, which is gets about 13mpg, it will pass anything but a gas station.
A smaller engine being pushed harder? No problems I could think of that could happen.
The idea that these new engines are ‘tunable to make a lot more power’ clearly misses the point that that has ALREADY been done a great deal by the manufacturer considering that they are pulling the advertised numbers from only 3.0 litres (183 cubic inch) ….a small displacement to begin with for a heavier vehicle. That is not to say more power could not be extracted, but the remaining margin has to be slim….in my opinion, of course.
Agreed. Cast iron pistons, crank etc. 22 lbs boost, not much slack IMO either. Tuning just ups the boost and fuel injection to even higher levels. We will know, soon enough.
Ram pulled another 120hp in high output. Talk about leaving little room for improvement. 3.0 seems a bit small.
I thought this was going to be a diesel until you said 91 octane. Lol. Just bought a 2022 Silverado RST with the 3.0L turbo diesel and love it. Lots of low end torque around town.
It would be a huge mistake for them to get rid of the hemi engine. The hemi and Cummings engines are why Dodge/Ram get so popular. And people love the hemi, and are loyal to Ram because of it
The end of the Hemi was confirmed by the Head of the Dodge brand. With the new government fleet mpg regulations increasing from 28 to 40 by 2026, and with most sales coming from Hemi performance cars with its replacement being the direct injection Hurricane TT straight 6 cylinder that requires premium fuel for maximum performance at a time where gas prices are at record highs. Stellantis has nothing new regarding products except the 4 cylinder Dodge Hornet which is based on an Alfa SUV. With only renderings and talk regarding EV development. Stellantis is well behind the curve in North America. You mentioned FAC, which was FCA (Fiat Chrysler Automobiles) and now it's Stellantis. Pick up trucks currently fall in a different Mpg category so for now the 5 7 will likely continue as an option in some Ram pickups while the TRX will likely continue until at least 2026.
I am currently making cutting tools for those inline 6 cylinder engines for a Mexican plant. Should have tremendous torque numbers over the twin turbo 3.5 Ford.
that's pretty cool! And ya this inline 6 will walk on the ford 3.5
@@TheGettyAdventures nice fantasy you have going on with that comment. The engine isn’t even out yet but you think you know 😝
Great video
how does Stellantis deal with coking with the direct injecting other than using 91 octane?
The new 3.0L is basically a disposable engine. Sprayed bores (ask Coyote owners how that works out), direct injection (not tuner friendly) that relied on major boost to achieve the horsepower rating. Basically a BMW engine but it's being cast in India. For perspective, the old Iron Jeep straight 6 engine with only 24 PSI makes almost 900 HP at the crank.
Gas milage was the reason, but doesn't move the needle much unfortunately. I love the inline 6 idea however.
Agreed
I mean I get it. but it does kinda suck not having that v8 rumble. I will say though, the next best option was an inline 6! I think people will be surprised how well these engine naturally pull.
The biggest reason is the Carbon emissions as V6's pollute less then V8s. MPG will be slightly better but not by much.
@@ohioguy4326 Except this engine isnt going to be a V6. Thank god. Inline 6s were the best choice to replace a V8.
I look forward to the HO in the power wagon i think it would be perfect for it. I do wish ram would have went with a little larger displacement like a 4.9l or something like that so you could get the same power with out the high boot levels which would lean to higher MPG. I live in the desert south west so in the summer i burn 91 anyway im no that bothered by the 91 requirement, i am a little more worried about the heat soak of the air to water intercooler. hopefully the aftermarket will come up with a large capacity oil pan and 4 core intercooler and larger holding tank.
the rumors' are that there might be a Cummins GAS engine for the heavy duty ram trucks but nothing is for certain. the HO would be a fast engine for the power wagon but the PW also weighs over 7,000lbs so those turbos would be constantly in boost.
The Ford 300 inline 6 with a 4 speed manual and my brother had one with 9’ bed so cool .
I have to think that if they're going ahead with putting these engines into so many vehicles that they've ran very extensive testing to make sure that it is in fact a viable replacement.
Like Ford? Ha.
@@davidheitman7004 No, Ford does everything to be the first to do so. Dodge Has some known issues that if they can be eliminated, will move them even further ahead.
@@davidheitman7004I happen to love my 3.5. Gen 1 motor all original drive train and hauls my camper much better than the v8 gas. Doesn't have the sound but I'll sacrifice that for the rest.
They want to run 22psi and not use Forged internals I mean the stock powdered metal rods have made over 1000hp a lot of times but they were built to make like 300 HP on 8 pistons
I have no complaints on the newer eco Diesel engine. 0 issues to this day. But I understand the concern as the soot is what kills them!
Good luck getting past 100k. Mine blew up at 117k.
Why don't they ask the customers and the mechanics and DIYers? They are shoving it down our throats and they will lose this new customer if they do. They would be smarter to eradicate the tick and all other flaws especially and MOST importantly getting the IBHS TSP+ and SaferCar 5 Star Ratings. Safety and reliability are VERY important. Adding options like compressed air compressed injectors (cooling the compressed air too), a supercharger, a better transmission (more efficient, more reliable, easier to maintain, stronger), various inverter options, air compressor, Amateur Radio friendly options, etc. It would be smart to ask those of us who like their RAM what we would like and what would motivate us to update/upgrade. As for energy efficiency going to lower rolling resistance and wind resistance and internal mechanical resistance and weight would be a better route. They also need a 100% Made in the USA option including parts/components sourcing.
100% driven by the EPA and fleet fuel economy requirements. I am sure RAM would not be doing this otherwise. I do not believe the Heavy Duty trucks are included with the requirements.
They 100%wouldn't. The hemi is a classic motor and they figured it out so why change it?
So the last time I read up on the EPA, it was a requirement that a manufacture needs to improve mpg by 20% each new model year. So likely if they are adding an inline 6 turbo engine option, I'd be its to ease the way into replacing the hemi in the future. Similar to how ford has done it with the eco boost and 5.0.
The cumins engine won't be going anywhere as the HD truck segment is not EPA rated. I believe there is some standards the EPA requires with new models but not like the the normal car/truck standards.
Stelantis is FCA. Changed names last year.
@@modernman7576 thank the EPA
Cummins is currently developing 6.7L inline 6 gasoline and natural gas/propane versions of the current 6.7 Diesel engine. the v8 is done for.
I'll stick with my 5.9 Magnum Dodge Ram and my 4.0 I6 Wrangler.
If my truck doesn't say Chrysler corporation on it I don't want it. Daimler and newer.,... No. My 98 ram proudly wears Chrysler corp stickers on the door.
Smart
I'm trying to figure out why people say the hemi gets bad fuel economy or reliability issues. My 3/4 ton trucks have been awsome! One is an 04 with 300k concrete miles! And as far as hp, bolt ons on hemis are easy, cam changes are damn simple! I do all my own work!
I have several Hemis and never had the mythical valve spring issue, don't personally know anyone who has!
Best bet for them would be to offer it as another option, alongside the hemi's, and see what sells more. I could see initial hype, and then die down a bit
Ever feel the way the Cummins inline 6 puts power down different then the V8 diesels? Definitely way different and u can absolutely feel it
They were right naming after a natural disaster as Chryslers reputation for new tech reliability is horrible.
Yep this will naturally be a disaster, but that's kinda the trend with newer trucks IMO. Just more throw away stuff and making everything too complicated to gain realistically no emissions benefit, once you figure out all the additional services necessary throughout the life of the vehicle.
Man this guy should do commercials for FCA....
87 octane is going to be leaving a lot of power on the table I think it's going to be pulling timing all the time
It will run on 87, which is good for an economical fill up. You can fill it with 93 and the turbo will work even better.
@@jamesflynn10 the turbo will work the same but the computer will be pulling timing like crazy to keep the engine together it's going to be a bad idea to run it on 87 octane
I agree, but anyone who knows better can skip over the 87 and pump the 93 instead. Those who don’t care or understand the benefit of the fuel and how it works better in a turbocharged engine can embrace the sluggish performance.
Super happy with my ford 7.3 gas in my 22 250. Interesting idea though. Great video.
I have heard so many good things about the 7.3. really hoping to get a review with that engine soon!
A proper inline 6 has a ton of potential. Just look at the 2jz and some of the BMW engines.
I have seen a lot of issues with Direct injection. It makes the engine more efficient but long term side effects
I've got a Ford F-150 with the 3.5 twin turbo, I likes it a lot. A tad bit more torque than the V8, but a smidge higher in the rev band, no biggie. It has a good tow capacity, something like 14,000 which I can't do because I don't have a Class A license, but it moves nicely which is what I'm into.
Tundra's already did something similar to this right? I don't want a V6 twin turbo beefed up engine in a truck. It's just not going to last as long as a regular V8. I feel like those Tundras with the 5.7 and Ram's with the 5.7 are going to skyrocket in price value.
they have a fuel agnostic cummins ,that could be used 6.7 inline 6 gas on the heavy duty ram
it is kind of an end of an era it seems. and yes people will want those v8 engines. however I think the inline 6 will surprise people how torquey they can be.
The discussion is about inline 6's, not trash V6's.
@@stanwashighski3553 it’s just what they do.. sigh
My 5.7 HEMI gets way better gas mileage than that on average 19 city and up to 22 on highway, I'm really impressed with my mileage for the power I have
I was the same way! it was little shocking how efficient it was
The 8 speed helped a lot. The Hemi does good when not under load.
@@vernlochtefeld1626 I wouldn’t say that it’s any worse than any other truck under load though
@@grantfuller6123 Like all gasoline engines it’s hard on fuel under heavy load when compared to diesel. I think that’s accentuated when using turbos. So while the smaller 3.0 liter gas will require a little less under light load than the Hemi it may require at least as much under heavy load such as when towing a travel trailer that has lots of drag. The 8 speed just allows the engine to operate where it’s efficient more often ie more better gear steps to minimize the engine load where possible. The Hemi cruising didn’t use much more fuel with the 6 speed than the 8. But it was measurably easier and more fuel efficient towing a travel trailer with the eight speed then it was with the six speed.
your 'city' driving must be a traffic light every 20 miles. No way will the Hemi get 19 mpg in SE Pa. Stop signs and traffic lights every 50 yards or less.
Thanks buddy..
Mileage goes way down when the turbos are kicked in. I was also surprised that they didn't appear to follow Ford's cue from 2017 and add port fuel injection to help clean off the deposits on the intake valves. Ford calls it now PFDI.
Just give us v8s and let us mad max it out with the gas prices
lol I love it!
I'm personally not against the idea of a new engine.
Then again, I am more excited about the Gas Cummins 6.7 though. I like how it sounds on paper, but performance has me "myth"?
I'm on Team RAM diesel all day but I just can't vision a gas "supposed to be diesel" truck.
I will always prefer a grunting Cummins sound vs the "overhyped" hemi sound. Most hemi drivers that I know are obnoxious and have to keep telling everyone that they see that they own a hemi.
Congratulations you have a hemi. I don't have to tell everyone that I like BBQ when I can just shut up and eat. Just seems overrated. That's just me.
I mean my old 2017 ram 1500 had the muffler deleted. but I will say it sounded soo good, and with the resonators on it could stay quiet if you weren't on the throttle. and yes there are 100% obnoxious hemi drivers but there are obnoxious Cummins owners too. it's not the truck its the folks driving them.
I'm not a die hard hemi guy, I just think they are good engines for what they do. however, I am excited to see what this inline 6 engine brings!
as for the 6.7 "gas" cummins, it could be interesting but they would have to be willing to sell it much cheaper then the diesel. all very interesting.
@@TheGettyAdventures I definitely agree on all of your points
The 5.7 sounds beautiful lol but I do understand where you are coming from with the obnoxious truck people they are annoying
@@grantfuller6123 like I said, I don't mind hemi sound, but constantly hearing why one engine sound is better than EVERY engine in the world is too annoying.
If it is anything like the 232 and 258 from Chrysler, the reliability will be Awesome. Proper boost control and cam duration variation makes them very efficient, only adding enough air/fuel to handle the current load the engine is under. For instance, I drive a Saab Viggen with a St3 tune, somewhere around 300hp out of a 2.3 liter 4. If I keep my foot out of it, city 24, highway 32. Needless to say I don't, and I still average 26mpg in a car with a little 4 that pulls like a freight train when under full boost. REALLY looking forward to this new 6, and hope to own one soon!
Hey man, Turbocharged 3.0 liter inline six, is a Great Engine.
I driving on a Turbocharged Inline six cylinder (Cummins) Great for Torque and towing trailer 👌.
Thanks to Dodge and Ram.
I have two concerns. First direct injection and the carbon buildup problem on intake valves. Second is the turbos. Both could lead to very expensive maintenance and repair. On the plus side, it was developed starting with the old AMC/Chrysler inline sixes. If true to that heritage, the engines should have a strong base.
Is it straight DI or are they doing PIDI like Ford in the ecoboost? PIDI doesn't have carbon issues since it does port injection also and cleans when it does
Straight six turbo motors are really great motors. Easy to work on, well balanced, reliable, powerful, great sounding..
Although the inline-6 is a better design than a V6, I do not expect for this new inline-6 to be any better at pulling weight for any length of time, or for General use like the twin turbo 3.5 L V6 engine from Ford which was an unmitigated disaster has failure in that set up. They are using it to some police vehicles, but they don't have oil catch cans which are required and such engines. It just doesn't work very well. It requires meticulous maintenance. There is a plethora of issues just waiting to bite you in the ass with this engine. Go to something like the Berra inline 6, which has enough displacement to put out 300 to 500 horsepower naturally aspirated quite easily.
The spray deposition iron sleeves are a great idea, because that process introduces a microfracture whining which will hold oil quite readily. It has a good lifetime, but I don't. I don't expect this technology to be able to overrule basic physics. I mean I understand that you can make a 1,500 to 3000 horsepower v8 engine, but you're not going to drive it for very long.
Further to aggravate these concerns that I have is the direct-injection mode. That alone has been proven to be an unmitigated disaster. To the point where when the intake valves on a Ford engine get fouled to the point where the engine will not run properly, they suggested you replace the cylinder heads??? That is a whiskey tango foxtrot moment the size of Montana!
No replacement for displacement!,
ICE, gas engines are really at their peak and with the 8 or 10 speed transmissions doing so well it’s making electrics hard to make sense. Especially as you see what happens with the grid trying to bear the electric load from cars.. yet here we are with surging fuel/oil prices thanks to the current admin
the fuel/oil prices are a world issue, not an USA issue. Look at current price of gas in a world view.
Oil trades on a global market... and price depends on supply and demand. World events are major impacts. The oil that comes from the USA doesn't have its own separate market. And the US oil companies don't really want to produce more or build more refining capacity... cuz prices weren't high enough. administrations have little effect and impact on the price of fuel. If a republican was in office the prices would effectively be the same given the global events currently going on. But if you think the adminsitrations are in control of prices you go on believing it.
@@user-cj7dv2kc6d Your nutz, i never mentioned govt being in control of prices.
@@360VRStudios he wasn’t responding to you
@@360VRStudios it wasn’t an issue before January 2020
Premium fuel itself will be a deal breaker for a lot of folks.
Cast aluminum block and heads… this doesn’t sound like something one would want to play with adding boost and larger turbos to get “more output…”
Man the new engine in a jeep would be cool
100% these engines in he jeeps and SUV's would be really cool.
For towing and hauling it seems you always want an engine that has more torque than HP.....all of the engines built for towing have more torque than HP
Glad I got a V8, I really don't want to mess around with turbos or a 1st year engine for that matter......I know V8 Is going by wayside in coming years but pretty sure I'll always want one.....
The lifter failures are NOT overblown...I did my 14 and my dads 15 at the same time HOWEVER, the bottom ends are bullet proof and you can rebuild the top ends in the vehicle and its not that difficult. Change your oil often and cross your fingers.
great video. Personally I'm excited about the Hurricane HO and my next car will have one.
I think those engine will be wicked in the Chrysler cars. won't have the v8 sound but they will be quick!
I want this guy's power wagon!!
I own a Saturn ion redline supercharged, as well as a Cadillac ATS 2.0 turbo the redline supercharge uses a water to air intercooler which is driven by the supercharger coolant pump. I can only imagine things like that are going to go bad as we have to replace ours about every other year. Whereas my ATS 2.0 turbo uses air to air and will never have to be replaced only upgraded.
I never had a hemi but for towing heavy loads I want a diesel currently fuel is very expensive. I only guessing but the air to water might be better especially in areas where there is a lot of lower speeds . I was wondering as I probably never buy one but adding meth injection to help with the 89 octane on the higher out put . Helping keep the charge Temps down I think will help also .
So happy I got my 2020 ram hemi when I did
Great time to buy!
4th Gen ZF 8HP transmission is configurable for PHEV or mild hybrid. I remember RAM putting this transmission into their future plans. Volvo B6 is an inline 4 with electric turbo and integrated starter generator. Ram could do something similar albeit with their inline 6.
traded in my 22 ram 5.7 for a 3.5 EB and the 3.5 is better in every way except sound. I loved getting up in the morning and hitting the remote start and hearing the hemi grute.
Do you think the direct injection allowing carbon build up will be an issue?
I think a 3.0L turbo Ram with 475bhp@5200rpm/565lbft@3250rpm Ram 1500 with 4:30 locking diffs will make a helluva truck tbh
Not going to lie I will miss the HEMI but the old L6-226 Super Hurricane I have in my old 60's J200 is a beast for what it is. We have it for an old farm truck and it won't die. I just hope they don't disgrace the name Hurricane like the did the Gladiator.
Hi , first off, I really appreciate your Canadian content, as I live on the West Coast and currently own a 2020 ram 1500. My question to you is as a diesel, heavy duty mechanic I’m a little surprised that you don’t own a diesel truck as your personal and that you have gone with a ram 6.4 hemi why is that? and I premise this as I am considering upgrading to a power waggon myself or just going with a 2500 with the Cummins and I’m looking at about a 2017 to a 2020 model year.
Not to mention the HO version has a compression ration of 9.5:1.
With all that being said, the low output version will run on 87 octane, however it's recommended (like all other turbo vehicles) to use 91 octane.
While it is more expensive, you will probably get 20% better fuel economy than a HEMI 5.7 or 6.4.
So Ram says up to 15% but that’s not towing. Towing you may not get any better fuel economy than the Hemi does now. If you tow often get the new Ecodiesel as diesel is towing efficiency. WAY better. Naturally if you tow 3/4 ton appropriate sized loads get the Cummins diesel. Gas trucks are great for most stuff. Diesel is where it’s at if you tow regularly.
@@vernlochtefeld1626 yeah you won't pay much for fuel for the ecodiesel bc they'll be in the shop. One of the biggest piece of shit engines Chrysler has ever produced
@@zachjennings3602 The 14 to 19 EDs we’re both great and awful. The new gen 2020 plus so far has proven to be really good. This is what I’m referring to, the 2020 plus. I would not recommend anyone to buy the 14-19s.
The government intervention with the AEM de tune and emissions system really hurt the old EDs. And dealerships can’t help you. Once you fix the detune & emissions problems with an aftermarket engine & transmission tune they become reliable. Except they still have a crank issue that when babied & loaded at low rpm say sub 1500 rpm will eventually twist out a bearing. Like when hyper mile-ing. For that reason I can’t recommend them.
We’ve used the old EDs commercially to tow Airstreams & boats for manufactures. So we work them hard and keep the rpms 2k plus. Our experience with 4 engines;
371k miles pushed a head gasket.
423k miles cracked a head.
452k miles fuel pump implosion.
512k miles still on road.
Way better? Then how come the Hemi tows nearly 2k lbs more than the Ecodiesel? Also my coworkers Hemi has 403k miles on his 2004 with original motor and trans. Where has an Eco made it to that kind of mileage without the EGR taking a dump? The Eco tows more efficiently at 9000lbs but you'll have to take 2 trips to match the Hemi's tow rating.
Way better? What r u referencing?
The new gen 2020+ Ecodiesel’s have the same ish tow rating as the Hemi per SAE Society of Automotive Engineers J2807 towing standards.
Per above you can see what I wrote about the old EDs and the experience good & bad we had with ours. EGR and EGR cooler? Not a fan. It’s leak and failure led to pushing the head gasket at 371k. After that I deleted the EGR cooler as I had an aftermarket tune never to have that issue again. Congrats to your co worker for getting 400k out of his Hemi. 9,000 pound say travel trailer can be towed by a properly set up & optioned Ram 1500 be it a Hemi or an ED. But a 2500 would be a better tool for the job.
FWIW I’m not anti Hemi or gasser. I’ve always been pick the best tool for the job or engine for how you plan to use your truck. I think currently Ram has three good engine choices for the 1500. Pentastar for economy people hauler residential jobs commuting. Ecodiesel for best towing long distance travel highest mpg longevity. Hemi for best all arounder to include towing best HP speed and sound.
Pick the motor that’s best fits your needs and or that you want the most
I'm a V8 fanatic all the way.... But.... I do love the straight six. Wish the Ford ecoboost was an inline.
Read the fuel pump it says right on pump minimum octane rating, most are usually 2 octane higher until you get to the highest octane.
I think these engines, if they can be reliable, would make great base engine (HO as option) in cars, small, mid-size pickups.