My understanding is that they finally figured out how to mitigate the long start issue for the LM2 without needing to replace the CPS exciter wheel. Basically, the issue was that the ECU just gave up if it got a single invalid CPS reading during the startup interval (which was short). My layman's understanding of the fix was to add a few extra rotations to the startup interval and sample more than once. That apparently has fixed it permanently for nearly all situations where the wheel was the problem. (The underlying supplier issue was fixed for LZ0.)
Ecu flash fixed mine, it pauses the start procedure for about .5 seconds to allow multiple sensor pulses for the start sequence. Never had the problem since.
@@foch3 yeah an unflashed ecu will start cranking immediately and engine star happens very quickly when you press start, a flashed ecu will have about a half second delay before it starts cranking, and the cranking cycle will last about a half second longer.
I bought 2 of them. One in an Escalade and another in a GMC Denali. I love the 3.0 Duramax. I have had zero issues. Best fuel mpg to power ratio I have ever owned. I love the low end grunt too. Awesome job GM!!!
I have a 2020 Chevy 1500 RST with the 3.0. Towing on the east coast with a 5500 lb rv 17.0 mpg. Driving around town/hwy 28-31. A full tank of fuel has a 700 mile range. My old truck a 2010 GMC Sierra 5.3, 17mpg was the around town and towing the same rv 9 mpg. Its quiet, rides really smooth. No problems even in cold weather. GM just extended the oil pump belt to 200,000 miles, and who knows in the 15 years it takes for me to put 200,000 miles they might bump it up to 250.000. Great engine and transmission(10 speed).
Put 56,000 miles on my first with only the long crank issue. Amazing engine. I’d typically see 29-31 MPG in highway driving. I just bought a 22 and currently have a order in for a Yukon to replace my wife’s Expedition.
Currently have about 45k on my 20 LM2 been driving almost 3 years. Haven't had a single issue. I leave it in 2WD except when the weather demands more and I average 28mpg with a mix of city and highway driving. On road trips I have seen as high as 36mpg! All in all I have been very happy with it and hope to drive it through the half million mile mark before it needs replaced.
I've got a 2020 AT4 with the "Mini Max". I've put 57k hard miles on it without issue including living in NE Wisconsin where it sees a legit winter and hauling a 2k lb truck camper all over out west during 100deg heat up and down mountains. Great engine and great MPG. Very smooth power and hauls with relative ease.
Good to hear. GM updated the 3.0 and addressed some issues. GM is lone arbiter of a small diesel. Ford and Ram backed out. Why go hybrid when you can have a diesel? They’ll sell every one they make.
@@georgiafan6618 I spoke to a guy that works at the plant in Michigan that's building the 3.0. He said they're building about 550 engines per day running 2 shifts if I remember right. They must be popular, one big volume truck dealer I stopped at was big on keeping them in stock. They're trying to maintain 30% diesel in the half-ton mix.
@@karlschauff7989 In had an ‘02 Duramax 6.6L w/300hp and 520 torque. The revised ‘25 3.0L has 305hp and 495 torque. They managed to almost meet the specs of a much larger diesel in less than half displacement. Tech has caught up! The minimax seems to be trouble free and robust.
I have owned my RST 3.0 Duramax for a year now and I love it. Great fuel economy and plenty of power. Paired with the new 10 speed automatic transmission, it always seems to be in the proper gear. If you do not expect it to be something its not, you will be very happy with this engine. Very happy with GM's offering with this engine/transmission combo.
Exactly my impression as well. I think it’s the best combo GM has out right now. Who doesn’t live 30 Mpg + and that low end grunt! I love it in my Escalade ESV and my Denali Sierra.
I own a 2022 GMC Sierra with a 3.0L Duramax/LM2 engine. I put a lot of miles on my truck, as I drive it for work. I’ve had it about 8-1/2 months and already have just over 18k miles on it. I LOVE this engine! (I love the truck!) I suppose you wouldn’t expect to have had any trouble with an engine after only 18k miles. Still, it’s an impressive little diesel. I came from a 5.7L Hemi in a Ram 1500 and was getting 15-17 mpg. The Hemi had a lot of pep and I put a lot of miles on that truck, as well. It was a dependable engine but the fuel mileage sucked! I’m now getting an average of 25 mpg with mixed highway/city driving. That equates to 600 miles out of my 24 gallon tank. I was getting just over 300 miles out of the Ram’s 24 gallon tank. Amazing difference! On the highway I get anywhere between 28-31 mpg, real world. And this Duramax has plenty of pep. It’s the one thing I thought I’d miss from the Ram but I haven’t been disappointed at all. It has loads of torque and pulls much better than the Ram 1500 did. So far, I can’t say enough about this engine!
Great video covering the 3.0 Duramax. I absolutely love my 2021 LM2. I currently have 25,000 miles on it and it has been great except I have experienced the long crank/no start issue a handful of times, but it has always started on the 2nd try and I'm hesitant to take it to a deal until I'm convinced that the ECU reflash truly fixes things. I was so happy to learn that they went with the inline 6 configuration when they 1st introduced this engine. I still think Cummins is the top diesel engine offered in a pickup truck and I likely would have picked up a RAM 1500 diesel had their engine actually been a scaled down version of the 6.7 Cummins. I think that would have been a grand slam and caused many Ford and GM loyalists to jump ship at least if they were true diesel enthusiasts, but RAM missed the boat by going the route that they did with their diesel. With that said, I've heard some good feedback regarding the RAM ecodiesel, but who wouldn't want a mini Cummins sitting between the fenders of a 1500. Since I can't have a mini Cummins, the 3.0 Duramax is my next best option as there's just something special about the grunt and music an inline 6 turbo diesel makes and the balanced smoothness is amazing. Also, I just wanted to point out that Isuzu has no involvement with the 3.0 Duramax like they did with the V8 Duramax. GM and Opel worked on the 3.0 development per the GM engineer.
@@guidoochoa2038 Thanks but not a problem for me as I have no intentions of purchasing a new Cummins powered 2500/3500 RAM as I just don't need that much truck.
The oil belt is not an issue, because you just replace it (you don't pay to inspect it at 150K and then put the old one back on). If it fails, GM chief engineer says it just limps you to side of the road, nothing serious/catastrophic. And the new update coming is longer belt interval, and almost 500 lb/ft of torque!
@@jasonfalk7696 It'll be like a $1500 job at any competent shop. That's peanuts for an engine that can probably run 500,000+ miles with otherwise regular maintenance, stunning performance, and the best MPG you'll find in a half ton even at todays manufactured diesel pricing crisis..
I have a 21, I do like the truck and it has good power and gets great MPGs. I get an average of 24 for my daily stuff and low 30's on the highway. It is very comfortable to drive and easy to get around in. However, I did get a check engine light as a result of a bad injector at just over 13K miles. All the injectors were replaced, which tells me that there may be an issue with them. But there was a consistent check engine light as soon as I would leave the shop and return it. The short of it is, they ended up replacing BOTH EGR valves and the exhaust brake. It was in the shop for 3 months because they had trouble understanding the issue. If I had to buy it again I probably wouldn't. One; Ive had it in for other warranty issues and it has to go back again. So I'm not impressed with the quality. Two; the longterm maintenance issues that was in the video gives me some concern. Three; it's always seems to be the emissions that ruin theses great diesel engines. If I can get it legally removed I may but at what cost?
The transmission doesn't actually have to be removed to inspect the oil pump belt. Drain oil and insert a borescope through the drain plug hole. It's right at the back of the engine directly below the oil pump belt. Engine can be rotated by hand to inspect the whole belt.
The belt is on the other side of a divider on the lower crankcase extension. It's physically impossible to see the belt even if you take the lower oil pan completely off.
I picked up my 2023 with the Duramax last week. I have the max trailering package, which gives you a 13,000 max tow rating. I think it is a very impressive truck. I also have a diesel Range Rover, which I plan to sell next year. I believe the fuel mileage is similar, despite the fact that the truck is a lot heavier and more powerful.
What’s the most you’ve towed with your truck and does it drop a lot when you hook up to a heavy load ? I’m in the market for a Chev 1500 LZO max towing package myself !
History shows how good the inlines are. My old Ford with the 300 c.i and jeep 4.0L had very few issues overall as long as maintenance and cooling issues were addressed quickly. Im sold that mine will stay just as smooth, torquey and dependable, but what I struggle with is all the emissions crap they're forced to put on these new engines. I bought my 2020 LT 4x4 with the 3.0L and 10 speed in Oct. Of 2020 and now has 34k and I'm consistently getting 30+ mpg unless I go over 70mph and tows extremely well and fuel goes to about 17.5mpg fully loaded, but sucks the pee juice way too fast in my opinion. I keep hearing people say they only get 27mph and I'm not sure if it's that I don't have a low gear transfer case or perhaps different gearing or if we just drive different.
Thanks for making this video! Enjoyed your video and learned a lot man. I just bought my first diesel which is the 23 AT4 with the new LZ0, so far so good...The torque is amazing! . I have about 500 miles on it so far so good. I came from a 17 Tundra 4.6L, I just hope this engine/ truck is reliable for the long run, since I've owned only Honda and Toyota in the past.
@clubtc05 so i only got 150 miles , I been getting 23-24 combined , still have to take a long trip to get a freeway mpg. But I am impressed, coming from ram 5.7 hemi I was only getting 13-14 mpg with 3inch lift.
I am also a heavy duty diesel mechanic and I bought the new lzo duramax and the reason I bought it was because it was an in-line 6 and DOHC and talking about the rear gear train the MX-13 paccar engine is a rear gear train and after rebuilding a few paccar engines I have never had to replace parts with the gear train and most of the ones I’ve rebuilt have had a little over 1 million miles
I crossed 52k in early October, more than half of that while towing our trailer. Had a DEF level issue (gauge inaccurate) issue that took almost 2 years for GM to finally address. But 5 Service visits and 30+ days out of service since October 8 - EGR Cooler, Valve, Pressure Sensor… Then Glow Plugs, now a Chaffed wire issue on the EGR Pressure sensor leg of the harness. My biggest issue isn’t the problems we had, but rather dealing with GM to get the problems addressed.
@@jamesclark7630 - Gauge is accurate when not trailering. It doesn't sample correctly, and can't predict range for anything with a trailer. I'm at 75k now and have learned to accept it. 40% means they didn't give you the truck with a full tank of DEF... Also - it's a 7 gallon tank (appx) but will show empty with 2 gallons (appx) left.
Love it! Mated with the 10 speed transmission- an awesome combo. Love the torque and pulling power. Sometimes getting up to 25 mpg city and freeway driving. 30 plus at times hwy. Always affected by wind and mountains. I am in Texas and have taken it to Boise, Idaho. It really shines at 80 mph across Wyoming with the torque, up and down hills and 28-30 mpg. Had about 800 lbs payload and it never looked back. Wish the fuel tank was a bit bigger.
I have a 2020 Silverado with the LM2, I love it, paired with the 10 speed transmission it’s a good setup. I’m not concerned about the oil belt, if it needs changed at 150,000 miles I’ll do it. I wish there was a delete for this.
LSI out of California is making a retrofit chain conversion for the LM2 / LZ0 3.0 Liter. The problem is that chain stretch and noise can be a problem. The belt from a design point is the best solution. Less centrifugal weight, and something about chatter and speed control issues were the biggest concerns. Forget that! The belt mandated inspection/replacement has already been bumped all the way up to 200k miles for the 23’ model years on up. I’ve herd the belt is supposed to be good all the way up to 250k miles at a minimum based on manufacturer tests. GM simply set 150k as their own inspection interval. Maybe they should come out and make clear what the belt manufacturer says the real truth is. Has anyone had a belt fail yet? The motor has been out since 2019. On another popular website this question was asked. No one has first hand seen or herd of a belt failure. Bottom line, the oil belt issue is a NON-issue. Period! It’s going to be the least of your concerns as an owner.
Great video I drove Sprinters before 3.0L and 2.1L , they are Ok Now driving GMC 3.0 and just got to 50k mi Absolutely love it , great in summer or winter (Chicago) . Torque is outstanding, I tow my sport car for 1000mi back and forward, thru mountain. Gas mileage is phenomenal, 6000lb I getting 16mi/gal on empty 24-28 80mi/h Highly recommend
GM just bought back my 2024 Silverado 1500 ZR2 with the 3.0 Duramax. That engine gave me nothing but problems. It never stranded me, but all of my issues happened in the after treatment system. Tons of sensor issues. My dash lit up like a Christmas tree on multiple occasions. At one time, it threw 9 codes and the dealer had no idea how to fix it. They replaced multiple sensors and even the ECM. It also had issues towing and major defects with DEF consumption. I loved the power and fuel economy of this engine, but ultimately had to turn it in. Luckily GM made the process smooth
The updated version of the 3.0 duramax has lots of good revised parts and updates, such as steel pistons thicker sleeves 200k oil bet interval a healthy bump in hp and torture and much more 👍
My 3.6 warlock with 3.21 set is not sluggish at all. No lag. I’ve been impressed with it. I’ve owned 318 4wd reg cab manual ,360 2wd reg cab auto, 4.7 reg cab auto,5.7 4wd crew cab 3.55 set auto , Cummins diesel 2wd crew cab manual edge tuned , and this 3.6 is really impressive for a naturally aspirated v6. I averaged 14 mpg with my crew cab 4wd 5.7 and 3.55 set and it did have a lag in throttle. This warlock averages 20.5 with lt 285/70-17 and zero lag on the throttle. Pulls anything that I should be pulling with a half ton. Will go back to a lighter tire and hope to see some mileage improvements. This warlock with 3.6 is peppier than a ford f25o 4wd /5.4 I had and I would say tows just as well.
I own a 2022 Chevy with the 3.0L. At 6,000 miles the truck did not re gen for about 2 weeks and I got a alert that said service emissions system and the check engine light came on. the truck never went in to limp mode but after I called the dealership I woke up and cranked it and it re gened immediately and the check engine light went off. That has been my only issue. It’s got 23,000 on the truck now and I love the mpg I get. The best I’ve gotten was 35 on the highway and around town I get 22-27.
A couple of points...the Gen 2 3.0 Duramax will have 305 HP and 495 FT LBS of torque. It should be available in a few months. Also, unlike the Eco Diesel and the Powerstroke, this engine was designed from the ground up for the Silverado/Sierra 1500.
I have the gen 1 3.0 2021 it’s been a work horse 7500mi oil changes I burn 1 qt of oil that’s always been my modow only issue I’ve had is pickup pump in the tank just gave out at 47k mi gm is warranting this 5 min after I got it to em other than that the truck is great
This is a long comment, just a warning. I have a 2021 RST Z71 with the LM2, bought it brand new with 10 miles on the clock in May of 2021, and right now I'm sitting just shy of 30k. My family and I do a lot of traveling since my wife is from the PNW and my extended family is in Texas and spread out from Arkansas to South Carolina, so gas mileage was the biggest selling point for me. We went down to Mississippi last year and according to the computer our best average for 50 miles was 38mpg, but to be fair that was coming down the mountains of Montana. We did average mid-to-upper 30s the whole trip, but again I set the cruise at the speed limit except for the few spots where it was 80mph. I did have the long crank issue once and managed to be 1 of the lucky few that needed an ECU flash. My thought on the oil belt is by the time it needs that service I will have spent way more than $1k in service into the truck anyway and knowing it's going to be coming I should also have plenty of time to put money aside for that. My whole family loves the truck and it has been the best vehicle I have ever owned. My only complaint is the damn auto-stop button you have to press every time you start it up.
Best damn powertrain in a 1/2 ton truck by miles!!!! I own a 2022 and this thing tows my RV better than my 2019 6.4 Hemi Ram 2500! I get 26mpgs city and 30mpgs highway. Towing my RV I get 14mpgs! Maintenance and oil changes are less $$ too! The oil belt is now rated for 200k miles which 90% of us owners will never even touch!
@@GettysGarage yeah I have several trucks (Ram 2500, F150, Ram 1500) but love my 3.0 the best! The torque and acceleration it has for the economy is astounding!
Congratulations Alex. Thank's to God; I arrive to your channel! 😮 I listen a professional and true opinion and strenghts and weaknesses. Big hug from CDMX. México city; México.
I have a 2021 Dmax 1500. @61000km. I have never been so happy with a truck as I am with this. I love the way it automatically down shifts at low speeds. Crazy acceleration. The reliability is great. I get 1000km per tank. By the way this engine is a Isuzu design with Great balance. Thanks for the great info!
Thanks for those facts. The Ford is such a good product. The engines are built like a diesel. Heavy duty gas engines those ecoboosts are! I have an old Ford f150.v6 and a Dodge Hemi.1500 Laramie AWD. Both are 2004 Models and Both have 300,000 miles on them. Both serve their purposes perfectly.
I sold these trucks, bought my demo. (2020 Silverado RST) At 55,000 miles, I have an average of 26.7 MPG with a high of 40 MPG. I recently added a Banks PedalMonster to it and wow! I am going for drives for fun for the first time in years.
I own two of them. A 2021 Silverado LT with 25k miles. I average about 20-24mpg with larger wheels and rims. 2022 Tahoe RST with 42k miles. This one gets about 27-32mpg with stock wheels and rims. mostly highway miles. I have to say they both have not had any problems. I really love my Wife’s Tahoe Rst with all the luxuries and comforts.
Putting the DPF up close to the turbo to filter EGR created packaging challenges and heat issues under the hood for the 3.0, but it is worth it in my estimation to greatly reduce the soot that EGR otherwise would carry into the engine, which is a very good thing as EGR is Hell on diesels. A friend has a Sierra with this engine, he loves it.
Also, GM has fixed the long crank issue, Tim Esterhdol from "Pickup Truck + Suv Talk" YT channel has done some videos on that, talking to the GM engineer.
I have the 2021 1500 Sierra with 30,000 miles so far and no major problems. Runs strong and haven’t had a issue with the long start that was mentioning in the video. I did within the first 6000 miles have a DEF injector clip break causing fluid to leak under the hood and cause warning that speed will be limited until DEF is filled.
I have absolutely no complaints with my LM2. I have had 2 with no issues although low miles on the first one. In regards to the EGR "issues" that typically plague modern diesels... these trucks actually pull exhaust gas from after the DPF for the main EGR supply. So HOPEFULLY these engines wont have to deal with all the damn carbon buildup like every other diesel.
Great video, I have a 2022 refresh Chevy Silverado trail boss with the 3.0 and love it. Best power plant I have ever owned. Before I purchased it I did a lot of research and looked up reviews and mostly heard nothing but good things and that was my deciding factor. Take it for a test drive you will like how it feels.
Good to see no one else has had issues with their 3.0 Duramax. So far, I have a 2023 GMC Sierra 1500 with a 3.0 Duramax just 850 miles new and two check engine lights on it already. For those that want to know more, the codes were P0402 and the truck is brand new and in the Dealership Shop. Very sad.
I own a 2022 ltd ltz z71 and I love it, I regularly tow a 16 foot enclosed trailer loaded out for work. It pulls it fine. I get around 13 mpg towing on the highway running 80. If I’m not pulling the trailer I’m getting around 28mpg on the highway. It gets way better mileage than any v8 1500 truck I have owned. I haven’t had the long start issue either. I have round 35000 miles on it.
It’s a great engine. 3 years, 60k miles so far. Excellent power and mileage. Smooth, quiet and efficient. No issues with the engine as of yet. Def usage is a lot when towing tho. My only negative observation.
I got the 2021 GMC Elevation 4WD X31 quad cab with 3.0 Duramax. Didn't put too many miles yet, just 12k miles, but I love this engine, specially the mileage. I'm getting 24 mpg combined. Andin the highway I got up to 31mpg in a trip from San Diego to the grand Canyon. Hope the engine will age well with no mayor issues.
My wife has a 2021 GMC Yukon XL with 3.0 Lm2 we bought new we only have a little over 10K miles on it and get 28.5 mpg with the Cruze set at 80 mph haven’t had an issue yet. Lots of get up and go love it
I love these videos. I watch a ton of car videos, but unfortunately they are usually by automotive journalists. It’s great to hear from someone who has real world experience and knows what they’re talking about when it comes to nuts and bolts rather than stickers and wheels.
@@stevenhugley4025 I was talking about this particular LM2 engine he has no idea. He never even saw one of this motors. Just the fact he's talking about a long start that was resolved more then a year ago. And belt is not a catastrophic problem.
I was told by my mechanic that modern diesel engines EGR valve every single time it opens to "recirculate exhaust gases" it's like grabbing a hand full of very fine sand and tossing it inside the intake
we own a 2022 Yukon 4x4 with the 3.0L Duramax and love it so far and only in at 13k miles to date. we average 27-30 mpg on highways and easily 24-25 in town or a combined 26-27 most of the time.
I have one 8 months I get 27 and up to 39 mMPG in highway at 55 MPH . I have towed up to 15,000 ( slowly and flat short distances ) pulls with ease 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼 great engine and it’s ultra fast off the line . I put 40,000 miles in 8 months heavy work no issues .
The EGR delete is the first change I’d make to my diesel. There are UA-cam channels such as @darkirondiesel and others who demonstrate a step by step process to complete a delete and other mpg/power robbing stock parts. This was a helpful video - thanks! 👍
@@waterloo123100 well here in the southeast they will just tell you to take a hike and refuse to work on your illegal non compliant vehicle and in some states will just suspend your plates and fine you for non compliance
Very well done video. There was a lot of new information there that I was not aware of. My brother just bought a new Chevy pickup and we took it on a long road trip. Very impressed with the power and efficiency. However, for me, some of those design Mistakes are unacceptable.
There is a new version of the 3.0 Duramax diesel, it's actually more powerful than this particular engine. I would actually suggest doing a part two to this video when you get the opportunity to check it out.
The chain in the back of the engine for the oil pump which needs to changed at 100k is a no go for me, I learned my lesson with a 4.0 Ford V6 with rear chains.
How do you feel about the new 2023 3 liter diesel how many of the issues or things to be aware of in this video hense thinking about a diesel so it all new to me but I am a Gm support thanks
I sold my 21 lifter eating fuel guzzling power wagon and bought the 3.0 AT4. So far best decision I've made, tripled my fuel economy easily. Best part is you get benefits of a diesel but maintenance is still less than what my Cummins was and is similar or less than the power wagon.. scratch that it is much less than power wagon. I love how it's a I6 and honestly that's the big thing that drew me to it as I loved my mega cab Cummins. Speaking of cab Ram still has their tiny crew cab on the HD trucks, the GM has what feels like a mega minus the cool look and storage. Belt at the rear is nothing I'm worried about, it was done for packaging FYI but at well over 200k km I'll be on my 2nd or 3rd by then. Fuel economy is insane, driving easy at 90 to 100kph in the park I was down to 6.5L/100 and got well over 1000km on less than 90L.
Why would I inspect a belt for the same price as replacing it? I’ll wait till it fails. Day off from work. But I dare say that even at 150k I won’t have to replace this part.
I have a 2021 chevy crewcab standard bed Z71 rst 4x4 3.0 diesel . I have not had any mechanical issues. I'm getting 34 mpg all day long. I love my truck
I'm on my second 3.0L AT4. I have had no issues with it what so ever. The engine is a beast when towing, with a 22' trailer towing a full bundle of 2"x8"x12' PT lumber, I was still getting 12L/100km. I avg 8.1L/100km and have gotten as low as 7.4L/100km. My new 2022 AT4 (Re-Design) has a few issues however they seem to be based on the programming of the infotainment system controlling certain features as well as connectivity issues with my android, and the wireless phone charger is defective.
Even with my tiny duramax diesel 2.5L inline 4 with only 6 speed at for my trailblazer was ran 60k during 3 year till now is very satisfy for that performance without any issue at all just kepping regular maintenance replace oil and all filters.. Great duramax at Indonesia..
I love my 3.0l 2022 suburban. I changed out my oil to the amsoil (dexos D approved/won’t void warranty and it’s 100% full synthetic). Other oils such as Mobil 1 (also dexos D approved says it’s full synthetic but it’s only 25% synthetic) I also added the PPE oil filter (larger capacity(SKU#: PPE-114000650) and average 35 MPG highway. As for the belt I think it’s a little crappy but not a deal breaker for 150k mile intervals Hope this helps anyone
Owner of a 6.6 L5P 2021 3500 Denali and the wife has the Jeep Gladiator with the Eco Diesel. Neither are deleted. I regularly tow 10k with my truck the wife daily drives hers. Based on what issues the Eco Diesel has had we typically strap up the equipment trailer for a 50 mile run down under hard acceleration for her Jeep. 15k miles on it and i’ve had the egr system apart with barely a but if soot buildup. There is some but negligible. Single tank of cetane boost, hard towing once a month and regular checks the eco diesel is and will continue to be an excellent choice for us. I’ve considered the 3.0 litre since my average tow is less than 10k but when i need 25k…my L5P is amazing. Not quite on point with the 3.0 review here but dint dog the eco diesel. FCA will continue support for at least 5-10 years and the aftermarket will continue after that. And with an average of 28mpg in the Wifes Gladiator we wont be trading any time soon.
Working in a gm service dept, these trucks, cooling system is the number 1 issues, miles of rubber hoses and plastic quick connectors = frequent leaks. Exhaust rattles and leaks. Nox sensors and egt sensor failures, only done 1 rear main seal so far. Lots of backorder parts = massive down time....
I have owned Tahoe and Silverado with 3.0 Durumax. Hands down best diesel engine I have ever driven. My only issue is that dumb belt you have to change at 150k mile in engine. Only way to get to it is by dropping trans.
Hey Alex, for the 2023 model year 1500 pickup. They've now gone to the next generation of the 3.0 Duramax the LZ0. It has dual SCR & besides that, they just strengthened the heads & liners & block (& what not) for further reliability gains. Plus it has more power which lmao is always nice! As the EGR system, this is actually a hybr id Low Pressure/High Pressure. Unlike virtually every other EGR system (in North America anyway) that is purely high pressure. Hence, soot won't be as big a issue
I read about the high and low pressure EGR. makes sense to bring gases that have already passed the DPF and taken out the soot. again it seems like GM was really trying to make good engine which I like to see. as for the new generation I'm exciting to dive into it and see that's new!
The timing system is chain driven not gear driven and to replace the injection pump you do need to remove the transmission. I am a diesel tech at a GM dealership. And they have pretty much fixed the extended or no crank issue with a software update.
Oil pump belt will likely get a 200K mile replacement schedule based on actual wear, and the LZ0 uses the exact same setup and has a 200K interval, also the EGR is after the DPF so the soot level should be much much lower.
I don’t know anything about diesel engines per say except I have had a 6.6 Duramax since new 2002 . 315k miles and towed a 6x12 dump trailer at least 250k miles and outside of fuel injectors replaced under warranty no issues although I have something going on with dirty cooling fluid. Temp is fine and a little leak but no white smoke. Anyway I have a order in for a 2023 TrailBoss diesel as I want to get better mileage be a bit kinder to the environment and I won’t be doing the heavy hauling in retirement I use to. Anyway I hope this truck and engine lasts me another 22years .
2022 GMC Sierra 1500 wit the 3.0 L Duramax with 11000 miles. It has been in the shop for emissions issues for 3 weeks now and over $6000 in warranty costs so far. This vehicle also stranded me twice in the first 2000 miles. Good fuel mileage and torque. also transmission is not very smooth all the time.
I Have 44 k on mine it has a plate, and i have pulled over 18.5k lb does good. However, i am having issues with the def filter and cats or maybe a sensor truck goes into a derate mode currently at the dealer maybe it will get it back this week . However, I absolutely love this truck.
Just traded in my 2022 RST, had to replace the EGR sensor as well as the cooling pump. Covered under warranty but the truck only had 35K miles. As far as MPG, I was getting 25mpg over all but with diesel costing $1 more a gallon and needing DEF fluid every couple of months, there was not much of a cost savings in the end. The service manager at my local dealer recommended I get away from this motor as they have a history of being really dependable or really bad, and I appear to have one of the bad ones.
So much for durability with all you have mentioned regarding this motor. What is most important in any engine, reliable oil pressure. So not this motor does not get our vote. And yes all you have mentioned is an issue so stop down playing the negative factors. All the best.
lsn't it just lovely how... they make theses things so costly .... (and labor intensive) to work on. ka'ching bling bling fir the shops having more HARD WORK for the diesel technicians.
Can you say weather the 2.8 Duramax is good for 500k miles and the car 6 speed they use in that truck worth getting? Found one with 16k miles and he wants 40k. Thanks for another video
I have a 2021 colorado with the 2.3 Duramax. I would love to be able to put a 3 liter in my truck, but the 2.3 is incredible in its own right. I get 30 mpg with it and love it.
I wouldn't say there are no issues with the emissions systems. My buddy got a brand new Sierra with the 3.0 Duramax and had the DEF heater go out after only a month causing it to go into limp mode. GM apparently didn't make the connector water tight so it got water in it and shorted out.
Nope fair enough! I guess what I was trying to say is there is no consistent issues. yes thing will fail and and fail more often but it seems likes the emission issues are at a minimum. which is nice to see!
Oil pump fail will not be catastrophic!!! Just pull off to the side of the road tow it to shop and get it replaced if happend. (3hr job) Plus there wasn't a single case of one failing. Stop scarring people with the whole belt thing. GM now say 200k miles maintenance item for belt and it's not that hard to do.
I'm a tech at a GM dealer and one thing I'm noticing about working on the LM2 is the crazy labor times involved in fixing these trucks. Recently had a to fix a lower crankcase extension leak due to a factory RTV failure under warranty. 26 hours in labor for that. Outside of warranty you'd be paying around 40 hours of labor for that fix. Simply because of the the amount of stuff that surrounds these engines that needs to be removed to really do anything.
I would suspect oil pump belt change will be $2000 labor + parts. So few will be 4x2 so transfer case and trans comes out to get the back engine cover off.
I’ve been a Toyota guy for a long time because GM and Ford broke my heart with their lack of pride and unreliable products. I hope obviously that they fix this, go for broke and make the best trucks, and I will return, happily. I’m voting with my dollars, to force improvement.
My understanding is that they finally figured out how to mitigate the long start issue for the LM2 without needing to replace the CPS exciter wheel. Basically, the issue was that the ECU just gave up if it got a single invalid CPS reading during the startup interval (which was short). My layman's understanding of the fix was to add a few extra rotations to the startup interval and sample more than once. That apparently has fixed it permanently for nearly all situations where the wheel was the problem. (The underlying supplier issue was fixed for LZ0.)
Ecu flash fixed mine, it pauses the start procedure for about .5 seconds to allow multiple sensor pulses for the start sequence. Never had the problem since.
Good to know! I guess my info is old. I'll pin this comment so other can see!
@@cjwright1960 It pauses the start process lol how convient.
@@foch3 yeah an unflashed ecu will start cranking immediately and engine star happens very quickly when you press start, a flashed ecu will have about a half second delay before it starts cranking, and the cranking cycle will last about a half second longer.
The engineer details those changes here: ua-cam.com/video/J7KM5-oMLm8/v-deo.html
I bought 2 of them. One in an Escalade and another in a GMC Denali. I love the 3.0 Duramax. I have had zero issues. Best fuel mpg to power ratio I have ever owned. I love the low end grunt too. Awesome job GM!!!
Happy you are liking the engine!
What is a GMC Denali? That’s a trim level, not a model.
@@RB-xv4si Sierra. Why would he buy two of (basically) the same vehicle.
@@RB-xv4si GMC Sierra Denali
@@RB-xv4si I get it…
I have a 2020 Chevy 1500 RST with the 3.0. Towing on the east coast with a 5500 lb rv 17.0 mpg. Driving around town/hwy 28-31. A full tank of fuel has a 700 mile range. My old truck a 2010 GMC Sierra 5.3, 17mpg was the around town and towing the same rv 9
mpg. Its quiet, rides really smooth. No problems even in cold weather. GM just extended the oil pump belt to 200,000 miles, and who knows in the 15 years it takes for me to put 200,000 miles they might bump it up to 250.000. Great engine and transmission(10 speed).
Put 56,000 miles on my first with only the long crank issue. Amazing engine. I’d typically see 29-31 MPG in highway driving. I just bought a 22 and currently have a order in for a Yukon to replace my wife’s Expedition.
i want one the mpg is insane!!! love it
Y’all got more disposable income than I. I’ll just continue driving my golf.
My 2022 3.0 has 15k on it. So far, I love it. The 10 speed transmission is extremely smooth, and the engine has great power for a 1/2 ton.
Currently have about 45k on my 20 LM2 been driving almost 3 years. Haven't had a single issue. I leave it in 2WD except when the weather demands more and I average 28mpg with a mix of city and highway driving. On road trips I have seen as high as 36mpg! All in all I have been very happy with it and hope to drive it through the half million mile mark before it needs replaced.
I've got a 2020 AT4 with the "Mini Max". I've put 57k hard miles on it without issue including living in NE Wisconsin where it sees a legit winter and hauling a 2k lb truck camper all over out west during 100deg heat up and down mountains. Great engine and great MPG. Very smooth power and hauls with relative ease.
Good to hear. GM updated the 3.0 and addressed some issues. GM is lone arbiter of a small diesel. Ford and Ram backed out. Why go hybrid when you can have a diesel? They’ll sell every one they make.
Cool too hear some thanks for the info just purchase one 👍
What kind of MPG do you usually get when empty?
@@georgiafan6618 I spoke to a guy that works at the plant in Michigan that's building the 3.0. He said they're building about 550 engines per day running 2 shifts if I remember right. They must be popular, one big volume truck dealer I stopped at was big on keeping them in stock. They're trying to maintain 30% diesel in the half-ton mix.
@@karlschauff7989 In had an ‘02 Duramax 6.6L w/300hp and 520 torque. The revised ‘25 3.0L has 305hp and 495 torque. They managed to almost meet the specs of a much larger diesel in less than half displacement. Tech has caught up! The minimax seems to be trouble free and robust.
I have owned my RST 3.0 Duramax for a year now and I love it. Great fuel economy and plenty of power. Paired with the new 10 speed automatic transmission, it always seems to be in the proper gear. If you do not expect it to be something its not, you will be very happy with this engine. Very happy with GM's offering with this engine/transmission combo.
Exactly my impression as well. I think it’s the best combo GM has out right now. Who doesn’t live 30 Mpg + and that low end grunt! I love it in my Escalade ESV and my Denali Sierra.
I own a 2022 GMC Sierra with a 3.0L Duramax/LM2 engine. I put a lot of miles on my truck, as I drive it for work. I’ve had it about 8-1/2 months and already have just over 18k miles on it. I LOVE this engine! (I love the truck!) I suppose you wouldn’t expect to have had any trouble with an engine after only 18k miles. Still, it’s an impressive little diesel. I came from a 5.7L Hemi in a Ram 1500 and was getting 15-17 mpg. The Hemi had a lot of pep and I put a lot of miles on that truck, as well. It was a dependable engine but the fuel mileage sucked! I’m now getting an average of 25 mpg with mixed highway/city driving. That equates to 600 miles out of my 24 gallon tank. I was getting just over 300 miles out of the Ram’s 24 gallon tank. Amazing difference! On the highway I get anywhere between 28-31 mpg, real world. And this Duramax has plenty of pep. It’s the one thing I thought I’d miss from the Ram but I haven’t been disappointed at all. It has loads of torque and pulls much better than the Ram 1500 did. So far, I can’t say enough about this engine!
Great video covering the 3.0 Duramax. I absolutely love my 2021 LM2. I currently have 25,000 miles on it and it has been great except I have experienced the long crank/no start issue a handful of times, but it has always started on the 2nd try and I'm hesitant to take it to a deal until I'm convinced that the ECU reflash truly fixes things.
I was so happy to learn that they went with the inline 6 configuration when they 1st introduced this engine. I still think Cummins is the top diesel engine offered in a pickup truck and I likely would have picked up a RAM 1500 diesel had their engine actually been a scaled down version of the 6.7 Cummins. I think that would have been a grand slam and caused many Ford and GM loyalists to jump ship at least if they were true diesel enthusiasts, but RAM missed the boat by going the route that they did with their diesel. With that said, I've heard some good feedback regarding the RAM ecodiesel, but who wouldn't want a mini Cummins sitting between the fenders of a 1500. Since I can't have a mini Cummins, the 3.0 Duramax is my next best option as there's just something special about the grunt and music an inline 6 turbo diesel makes and the balanced smoothness is amazing.
Also, I just wanted to point out that Isuzu has no involvement with the 3.0 Duramax like they did with the V8 Duramax. GM and Opel worked on the 3.0 development per the GM engineer.
Sorry to break your heart but the Cummings is going to be discontinued
@@guidoochoa2038 Thanks but not a problem for me as I have no intentions of purchasing a new Cummins powered 2500/3500 RAM as I just don't need that much truck.
Yeah I wish the ram had a 3.0 inline 6
I had no start crank issue right off the lot it’s embarrassing sometimes 21 duramax
I'm wondering why they're collaborating with other companies when designing the Duramax, do they not have enough talent here in the states?
Best way to start a review "I've never driven one, but I will tell you what I think "
Belt is not a problem. He has no idea what he's talking about
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LMAO...
Agreed 100%,his opinion meh!
Lol🤣👍
The oil belt is not an issue, because you just replace it (you don't pay to inspect it at 150K and then put the old one back on). If it fails, GM chief engineer says it just limps you to side of the road, nothing serious/catastrophic. And the new update coming is longer belt interval, and almost 500 lb/ft of torque!
I guess that would make sense but still little annoying.
They’ve extended it to 200k miles now, too.
It's still expensive as hell! You have to pull the transmission to replace it.
@@jasonfalk7696 It'll be like a $1500 job at any competent shop. That's peanuts for an engine that can probably run 500,000+ miles with otherwise regular maintenance, stunning performance, and the best MPG you'll find in a half ton even at todays manufactured diesel pricing crisis..
@@PygmySurfer how, by waving GM's magic wand
I have a 21, I do like the truck and it has good power and gets great MPGs. I get an average of 24 for my daily stuff and low 30's on the highway. It is very comfortable to drive and easy to get around in. However, I did get a check engine light as a result of a bad injector at just over 13K miles. All the injectors were replaced, which tells me that there may be an issue with them. But there was a consistent check engine light as soon as I would leave the shop and return it. The short of it is, they ended up replacing BOTH EGR valves and the exhaust brake. It was in the shop for 3 months because they had trouble understanding the issue. If I had to buy it again I probably wouldn't. One; Ive had it in for other warranty issues and it has to go back again. So I'm not impressed with the quality. Two; the longterm maintenance issues that was in the video gives me some concern. Three; it's always seems to be the emissions that ruin theses great diesel engines. If I can get it legally removed I may but at what cost?
The transmission doesn't actually have to be removed to inspect the oil pump belt. Drain oil and insert a borescope through the drain plug hole. It's right at the back of the engine directly below the oil pump belt. Engine can be rotated by hand to inspect the whole belt.
The belt is on the other side of a divider on the lower crankcase extension. It's physically impossible to see the belt even if you take the lower oil pan completely off.
I picked up my 2023 with the Duramax last week. I have the max trailering package, which gives you a 13,000 max tow rating. I think it is a very impressive truck. I also have a diesel Range Rover, which I plan to sell next year. I believe the fuel mileage is similar, despite the fact that the truck is a lot heavier and more powerful.
What’s the most you’ve towed with your truck and does it drop a lot when you hook up to a heavy load ? I’m in the market for a Chev 1500 LZO max towing package myself !
I'm a Mopar guy and love the Ram Cummins. But I think its really cool that Chevy decided to make an inline-6 engine...
History shows how good the inlines are. My old Ford with the 300 c.i and jeep 4.0L had very few issues overall as long as maintenance and cooling issues were addressed quickly. Im sold that mine will stay just as smooth, torquey and dependable, but what I struggle with is all the emissions crap they're forced to put on these new engines. I bought my 2020 LT 4x4 with the 3.0L and 10 speed in Oct. Of 2020 and now has 34k and I'm consistently getting 30+ mpg unless I go over 70mph and tows extremely well and fuel goes to about 17.5mpg fully loaded, but sucks the pee juice way too fast in my opinion. I keep hearing people say they only get 27mph and I'm not sure if it's that I don't have a low gear transfer case or perhaps different gearing or if we just drive different.
@@treetopace Yes, and BMW's make silky smooth inline 6's
Is it weird that he did the whole talk standing in front of a Dodge?
Thanks for making this video! Enjoyed your video and learned a lot man. I just bought my first diesel which is the 23 AT4 with the new LZ0, so far so good...The torque is amazing! . I have about 500 miles on it so far so good. I came from a 17 Tundra 4.6L, I just hope this engine/ truck is reliable for the long run, since I've owned only Honda and Toyota in the past.
I picked up a 2023 AT4 LZ0 Diesel, too. Let's keep in touch for future experiences. Enjoy your truck!
@@rjsangha For sure man! I just hit 1,500 miles on mine so far so good.
@clubtc05 what kind mpg have you been getting if don't mind asking ?
@@rjsangha around 19-20 in city and around 27-29 on hwy.. you ?
@clubtc05 so i only got 150 miles , I been getting 23-24 combined , still have to take a long trip to get a freeway mpg. But I am impressed, coming from ram 5.7 hemi I was only getting 13-14 mpg with 3inch lift.
I am also a heavy duty diesel mechanic and I bought the new lzo duramax and the reason I bought it was because it was an in-line 6 and DOHC and talking about the rear gear train the MX-13 paccar engine is a rear gear train and after rebuilding a few paccar engines I have never had to replace parts with the gear train and most of the ones I’ve rebuilt have had a little over 1 million miles
I crossed 52k in early October, more than half of that while towing our trailer. Had a DEF level issue (gauge inaccurate) issue that took almost 2 years for GM to finally address. But 5 Service visits and 30+ days out of service since October 8 - EGR Cooler, Valve, Pressure Sensor… Then Glow Plugs, now a Chaffed wire issue on the EGR Pressure sensor leg of the harness. My biggest issue isn’t the problems we had, but rather dealing with GM to get the problems addressed.
What was the resolution for the DEF gauge? Mine is brand new and the gauge shows 40%.
@@jamesclark7630 - Gauge is accurate when not trailering. It doesn't sample correctly, and can't predict range for anything with a trailer. I'm at 75k now and have learned to accept it. 40% means they didn't give you the truck with a full tank of DEF... Also - it's a 7 gallon tank (appx) but will show empty with 2 gallons (appx) left.
Lemon low
Love it! Mated with the 10 speed transmission- an awesome combo. Love the torque and pulling power. Sometimes getting up to 25 mpg city and freeway driving. 30 plus at times hwy. Always affected by wind and mountains. I am in Texas and have taken it to Boise, Idaho. It really shines at 80 mph across Wyoming with the torque, up and down hills and 28-30 mpg. Had about 800 lbs payload and it never looked back. Wish the fuel tank was a bit bigger.
This has been THE best overview of this engine! Well done!
He has no idea what he's talking about. He never even saw one of this engines
I have a 2020 Silverado with the LM2, I love it, paired with the 10 speed transmission it’s a good setup. I’m not concerned about the oil belt, if it needs changed at 150,000 miles I’ll do it. I wish there was a delete for this.
LSI out of California is making a retrofit chain conversion for the LM2 / LZ0 3.0 Liter. The problem is that chain stretch and noise can be a problem. The belt from a design point is the best solution. Less centrifugal weight, and something about chatter and speed control issues were the biggest concerns. Forget that! The belt mandated inspection/replacement has already been bumped all the way up to 200k miles for the 23’ model years on up. I’ve herd the belt is supposed to be good all the way up to 250k miles at a minimum based on manufacturer tests. GM simply set 150k as their own inspection interval. Maybe they should come out and make clear what the belt manufacturer says the real truth is. Has anyone had a belt fail yet? The motor has been out since 2019. On another popular website this question was asked. No one has first hand seen or herd of a belt failure. Bottom line, the oil belt issue is a NON-issue. Period! It’s going to be the least of your concerns as an owner.
Great video
I drove Sprinters before 3.0L and 2.1L , they are Ok
Now driving GMC 3.0 and just got to 50k mi
Absolutely love it , great in summer or winter (Chicago) . Torque is outstanding, I tow my sport car for 1000mi back and forward, thru mountain. Gas mileage is phenomenal, 6000lb I getting 16mi/gal on empty 24-28 80mi/h
Highly recommend
GM just bought back my 2024 Silverado 1500 ZR2 with the 3.0 Duramax. That engine gave me nothing but problems. It never stranded me, but all of my issues happened in the after treatment system. Tons of sensor issues. My dash lit up like a Christmas tree on multiple occasions. At one time, it threw 9 codes and the dealer had no idea how to fix it. They replaced multiple sensors and even the ECM. It also had issues towing and major defects with DEF consumption. I loved the power and fuel economy of this engine, but ultimately had to turn it in. Luckily GM made the process smooth
The updated version of the 3.0 duramax has lots of good revised parts and updates, such as steel pistons thicker sleeves 200k oil bet interval a healthy bump in hp and torture and much more 👍
I have a 23 LZ0 and it’s a beast
This 3.0 is absolutely astonishing!
My 3.6 warlock with 3.21 set is not sluggish at all. No lag. I’ve been impressed with it. I’ve owned 318 4wd reg cab manual ,360 2wd reg cab auto, 4.7 reg cab auto,5.7 4wd crew cab 3.55 set auto , Cummins diesel 2wd crew cab manual edge tuned , and this 3.6 is really impressive for a naturally aspirated v6. I averaged 14 mpg with my crew cab 4wd 5.7 and 3.55 set and it did have a lag in throttle. This warlock averages 20.5 with lt 285/70-17 and zero lag on the throttle. Pulls anything that I should be pulling with a half ton. Will go back to a lighter tire and hope to see some mileage improvements. This warlock with 3.6 is peppier than a ford f25o 4wd /5.4 I had and I would say tows just as well.
I own a 2022 Chevy with the 3.0L. At 6,000 miles the truck did not re gen for about 2 weeks and I got a alert that said service emissions system and the check engine light came on. the truck never went in to limp mode but after I called the dealership I woke up and cranked it and it re gened immediately and the check engine light went off. That has been my only issue. It’s got 23,000 on the truck now and I love the mpg I get. The best I’ve gotten was 35 on the highway and around town I get 22-27.
A couple of points...the Gen 2 3.0 Duramax will have 305 HP and 495 FT LBS of torque. It should be available in a few months. Also, unlike the Eco Diesel and the Powerstroke, this engine was designed from the ground up for the Silverado/Sierra 1500.
and tahoe
@@ToymonkeyjrTahoe/Suburban are simply the SUVs based on the Silverado/Sierra platform
@@thesixgunfighter288 so I'm not wrong lol
@@Toymonkeyjr No, I’m just being more elaborate lol. Nothing personal meant. I’m very technical sometimes.
I have the gen 1 3.0
2021 it’s been a work horse 7500mi oil changes I burn 1 qt of oil that’s always been my modow only issue I’ve had is pickup pump in the tank just gave out at 47k mi gm is warranting this 5 min after I got it to em other than that the truck is great
This is a long comment, just a warning. I have a 2021 RST Z71 with the LM2, bought it brand new with 10 miles on the clock in May of 2021, and right now I'm sitting just shy of 30k. My family and I do a lot of traveling since my wife is from the PNW and my extended family is in Texas and spread out from Arkansas to South Carolina, so gas mileage was the biggest selling point for me. We went down to Mississippi last year and according to the computer our best average for 50 miles was 38mpg, but to be fair that was coming down the mountains of Montana. We did average mid-to-upper 30s the whole trip, but again I set the cruise at the speed limit except for the few spots where it was 80mph. I did have the long crank issue once and managed to be 1 of the lucky few that needed an ECU flash. My thought on the oil belt is by the time it needs that service I will have spent way more than $1k in service into the truck anyway and knowing it's going to be coming I should also have plenty of time to put money aside for that. My whole family loves the truck and it has been the best vehicle I have ever owned. My only complaint is the damn auto-stop button you have to press every time you start it up.
Best damn powertrain in a 1/2 ton truck by miles!!!! I own a 2022 and this thing tows my RV better than my 2019 6.4 Hemi Ram 2500! I get 26mpgs city and 30mpgs highway. Towing my RV I get 14mpgs! Maintenance and oil changes are less $$ too! The oil belt is now rated for 200k miles which 90% of us owners will never even touch!
Happy to hear you like the truck and the Duramax!
@@GettysGarage yeah I have several trucks (Ram 2500, F150, Ram 1500) but love my 3.0 the best! The torque and acceleration it has for the economy is astounding!
Congratulations Alex.
Thank's to God; I arrive to your channel! 😮
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I have a 2021 Dmax 1500. @61000km. I have never been so happy with a truck as I am with this. I love the way it automatically down shifts at low speeds. Crazy acceleration. The reliability is great. I get 1000km per tank. By the way this engine is a Isuzu design with Great balance. Thanks for the great info!
Nothing to do with Isuzu ... Opel from europe
Ford 3.5L EcoBoost = 20mpg average. 400hp / 500 lb-ft
GM diesel = 27mpg
277hp / 460 lb-ft
+35% better mpg for diesel.
BUT:
87 octane = $2.84/gallon
Diesel = $4.59/gallon
+61.6% MORE in my area.
Emission hardware reliability and cost has killed the diesel advantage.
Thanks for those facts.
The Ford is such a good product. The engines are built like a diesel. Heavy duty gas engines those ecoboosts are!
I have an old Ford f150.v6 and a Dodge Hemi.1500 Laramie AWD. Both are 2004 Models and Both have 300,000 miles on them.
Both serve their purposes perfectly.
Yep the price of diesel kills the better mpg advantage plus more likely hood of problems from emissions equipment
I sold these trucks, bought my demo. (2020 Silverado RST) At 55,000 miles, I have an average of 26.7 MPG with a high of 40 MPG. I recently added a Banks PedalMonster to it and wow! I am going for drives for fun for the first time in years.
I own two of them. A 2021 Silverado LT with 25k miles. I average about 20-24mpg with larger wheels and rims. 2022 Tahoe RST with 42k miles. This one gets about 27-32mpg with stock wheels and rims. mostly highway miles. I have to say they both have not had any problems. I really love my Wife’s Tahoe Rst with all the luxuries and comforts.
Putting the DPF up close to the turbo to filter EGR created packaging challenges and heat issues under the hood for the 3.0, but it is worth it in my estimation to greatly reduce the soot that EGR otherwise would carry into the engine, which is a very good thing as EGR is Hell on diesels. A friend has a Sierra with this engine, he loves it.
Also, GM has fixed the long crank issue, Tim Esterhdol from "Pickup Truck + Suv Talk" YT channel has done some videos on that, talking to the GM engineer.
Fair enough! I'll have to have a listen. thank you for the info
I saw that interview too . They’ve fixed that problem.
I have a 2020 sierra Denali with the 3.0, I love it, it’s torquey and decent on fuel
I have the 2021 1500 Sierra with 30,000 miles so far and no major problems. Runs strong and haven’t had a issue with the long start that was mentioning in the video. I did within the first 6000 miles have a DEF injector clip break causing fluid to leak under the hood and cause warning that speed will be limited until DEF is filled.
I have absolutely no complaints with my LM2. I have had 2 with no issues although low miles on the first one. In regards to the EGR "issues" that typically plague modern diesels... these trucks actually pull exhaust gas from after the DPF for the main EGR supply. So HOPEFULLY these engines wont have to deal with all the damn carbon buildup like every other diesel.
Great video, I have a 2022 refresh Chevy Silverado trail boss with the 3.0 and love it. Best power plant I have ever owned. Before I purchased it I did a lot of research and looked up reviews and mostly heard nothing but good things and that was my deciding factor.
Take it for a test drive you will like how it feels.
Good to see no one else has had issues with their 3.0 Duramax. So far, I have a 2023 GMC Sierra 1500 with a 3.0 Duramax just 850 miles new and two check engine lights on it already. For those that want to know more, the codes were P0402 and the truck is brand new and in the Dealership Shop. Very sad.
Did they fix it?
I own a 2022 ltd ltz z71 and I love it, I regularly tow a 16 foot enclosed trailer loaded out for work. It pulls it fine. I get around 13 mpg towing on the highway running 80. If I’m not pulling the trailer I’m getting around 28mpg on the highway. It gets way better mileage than any v8 1500 truck I have owned. I haven’t had the long start issue either. I have round 35000 miles on it.
It’s a great engine. 3 years, 60k miles so far. Excellent power and mileage. Smooth, quiet and efficient. No issues with the engine as of yet.
Def usage is a lot when towing tho. My only negative observation.
Hell inline 6 engines gas or diesel are bad ass. Love i6 engines!
I got the 2021 GMC Elevation 4WD X31 quad cab with 3.0 Duramax. Didn't put too many miles yet, just 12k miles, but I love this engine, specially the mileage. I'm getting 24 mpg combined. Andin the highway I got up to 31mpg in a trip from San Diego to the grand Canyon. Hope the engine will age well with no mayor issues.
Great video and thanks for all your amazing insights. It really helped me learn more about the 3.0 Duramax.
My wife has a 2021 GMC Yukon XL with 3.0 Lm2 we bought new we only have a little over 10K miles on it and get 28.5 mpg with the Cruze set at 80 mph haven’t had an issue yet. Lots of get up and go love it
I'm So happy with mine, i was ford power stroke owner, much better truck good fuel economy and performance for an 3.0L engine is impressive truck..
Great video I have one 37000 Km’s on it one DEF sensor replaced 20 min job. Also the engine is an Opel designed diesel not Isuzu.
Fair enough! I wasn't sure but either way I had a feeling that's why the gear train was at the back!
I love these videos. I watch a ton of car videos, but unfortunately they are usually by automotive journalists. It’s great to hear from someone who has real world experience and knows what they’re talking about when it comes to nuts and bolts rather than stickers and wheels.
He has no idea what he's talking about. He never even saw one of this engines.
@@andp120 so a real world knowledge of how modern diesels function means he has no idea what he’s talking about. Interesting take.
@@stevenhugley4025 I was talking about this particular LM2 engine he has no idea. He never even saw one of this motors. Just the fact he's talking about a long start that was resolved more then a year ago. And belt is not a catastrophic problem.
I was told by my mechanic that modern diesel engines EGR valve every single time it opens to "recirculate exhaust gases" it's like grabbing a hand full of very fine sand and tossing it inside the intake
No. I don’t like emissions stuff since it’s idiotic to longevity and economy but… no egrs; aren’t like throwing sand in the intake.
@@austenalgaier1122 I can prove you wrong
EGR recirculates exhaust gases
Diesel soot is abrasive
Do you want me to keep going?
Meaning your wrong
we own a 2022 Yukon 4x4 with the 3.0L Duramax and love it so far and only in at 13k miles to date. we average 27-30 mpg on highways and easily 24-25 in town or a combined 26-27 most of the time.
I have one 8 months I get 27 and up to 39 mMPG in highway at 55 MPH . I have towed up to 15,000 ( slowly and flat short distances ) pulls with ease 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼 great engine and it’s ultra fast off the line . I put 40,000 miles in 8 months heavy work no issues .
Why do a pod cast for Chet with a dodge in the pic.
You are very thorough. Awesome work. Thank you.
The EGR delete is the first change I’d make to my diesel. There are UA-cam channels such as @darkirondiesel and others who demonstrate a step by step process to complete a delete and other mpg/power robbing stock parts. This was a helpful video - thanks! 👍
You do know that most dealers will refuse to work on one that has EGR deleted
@@glennschlorf1285 Not here in the midwest they just refuse to warranty it.
@@waterloo123100 well here in the southeast they will just tell you to take a hike and refuse to work on your illegal non compliant vehicle and in some states will just suspend your plates and fine you for non compliance
@@glennschlorf1285 That sucks for you dude. We don’t follow what the government tells us to do here
Tbh I'm not super happy about deleting my 6.7 and I wouldn't recommend
Very well done video.
There was a lot of new information there that I was not aware of.
My brother just bought a new Chevy pickup and we took it on a long road trip. Very impressed with the power and efficiency.
However, for me, some of those design Mistakes are unacceptable.
There is a new version of the 3.0 Duramax diesel, it's actually more powerful than this particular engine. I would actually suggest doing a part two to this video when you get the opportunity to check it out.
The chain in the back of the engine for the oil pump which needs to changed at 100k is a no go for me, I learned my lesson with a 4.0 Ford V6 with rear chains.
fair enough!
How do you feel about the new 2023 3 liter diesel how many of the issues or things to be aware of in this video hense thinking about a diesel so it all new to me but I am a Gm support thanks
@3:05 hyper-yoo-tek-tik....Basically more silicone content to allow for a lower thermal expansion, thus allowing for tighter clearances.
I drove one in 2021,super smooth,Heeps of power. I liked it better than my 2018 Silverado 1500 with a 5.3 v8
I sold my 21 lifter eating fuel guzzling power wagon and bought the 3.0 AT4. So far best decision I've made, tripled my fuel economy easily. Best part is you get benefits of a diesel but maintenance is still less than what my Cummins was and is similar or less than the power wagon.. scratch that it is much less than power wagon. I love how it's a I6 and honestly that's the big thing that drew me to it as I loved my mega cab Cummins. Speaking of cab Ram still has their tiny crew cab on the HD trucks, the GM has what feels like a mega minus the cool look and storage. Belt at the rear is nothing I'm worried about, it was done for packaging FYI but at well over 200k km I'll be on my 2nd or 3rd by then. Fuel economy is insane, driving easy at 90 to 100kph in the park I was down to 6.5L/100 and got well over 1000km on less than 90L.
Why would I inspect a belt for the same price as replacing it? I’ll wait till it fails. Day off from work. But I dare say that even at 150k I won’t have to replace this part.
truly love my 3.0L Silverado rst 2022
Wow that information cured me from further looking at a diesel by GM
I have a 2021 chevy crewcab standard bed Z71 rst 4x4 3.0 diesel . I have not had any mechanical issues. I'm getting 34 mpg all day long. I love my truck
I'm on my second 3.0L AT4. I have had no issues with it what so ever. The engine is a beast when towing, with a 22' trailer towing a full bundle of 2"x8"x12' PT lumber, I was still getting 12L/100km. I avg 8.1L/100km and have gotten as low as 7.4L/100km. My new 2022 AT4 (Re-Design) has a few issues however they seem to be based on the programming of the infotainment system controlling certain features as well as connectivity issues with my android, and the wireless phone charger is defective.
Even with my tiny duramax diesel 2.5L inline 4 with only 6 speed at for my trailblazer was ran 60k during 3 year till now is very satisfy for that performance without any issue at all just kepping regular maintenance replace oil and all filters.. Great duramax at Indonesia..
I love my 3.0l 2022 suburban. I changed out my oil to the amsoil (dexos D approved/won’t void warranty and it’s 100% full synthetic). Other oils such as Mobil 1 (also dexos D approved says it’s full synthetic but it’s only 25% synthetic) I also added the PPE oil filter (larger capacity(SKU#: PPE-114000650) and average 35 MPG highway. As for the belt I think it’s a little crappy but not a deal breaker for 150k mile intervals
Hope this helps anyone
Would like to hear your thoughts on the updates with the 2023 models and LZ0. A test drive would be crisp 👌
I have no dug into the new engine yet for 2023 but it is certainly something I'm looking forward to doing!
Same engine really, 90% of people won't even know the difference
Pretty much the same engine with like I hear 25% upgrades to it . Mainly the piston head design and metal used .
Glad to see Chevy kept the rear main seal leaking going in 2022
Owner of a 6.6 L5P 2021 3500 Denali and the wife has the Jeep Gladiator with the Eco Diesel. Neither are deleted. I regularly tow 10k with my truck the wife daily drives hers. Based on what issues the Eco Diesel has had we typically strap up the equipment trailer for a 50 mile run down under hard acceleration for her Jeep. 15k miles on it and i’ve had the egr system apart with barely a but if soot buildup. There is some but negligible. Single tank of cetane boost, hard towing once a month and regular checks the eco diesel is and will continue to be an excellent choice for us. I’ve considered the 3.0 litre since my average tow is less than 10k but when i need 25k…my L5P is amazing. Not quite on point with the 3.0 review here but dint dog the eco diesel. FCA will continue support for at least 5-10 years and the aftermarket will continue after that. And with an average of 28mpg in the Wifes Gladiator we wont be trading any time soon.
Working in a gm service dept, these trucks, cooling system is the number 1 issues, miles of rubber hoses and plastic quick connectors = frequent leaks. Exhaust rattles and leaks. Nox sensors and egt sensor failures, only done 1 rear main seal so far. Lots of backorder parts = massive down time....
That’s what you get when unions run management..
I guess I'm interested where you heard the fuel pump requires replacement at 100k miles. I've never seen it in my manual nor heard of it.
Belt is not a problem. He has no idea what he's talking about
I have a 2022 3.0 duramax with 117k on it. And love it. My idler pully exploded at 76k. But all I do is tow with it.
I have owned Tahoe and Silverado with 3.0 Durumax. Hands down best diesel engine I have ever driven. My only issue is that dumb belt you have to change at 150k mile in engine. Only way to get to it is by dropping trans.
Hey Alex, for the 2023 model year 1500 pickup. They've now gone to the next generation of the 3.0 Duramax the LZ0. It has dual SCR & besides that, they just strengthened the heads & liners & block (& what not) for further reliability gains. Plus it has more power which lmao is always nice!
As the EGR system, this is actually a hybr id Low Pressure/High Pressure. Unlike virtually every other EGR system (in North America anyway) that is purely high pressure. Hence, soot won't be as big a issue
I read about the high and low pressure EGR. makes sense to bring gases that have already passed the DPF and taken out the soot. again it seems like GM was really trying to make good engine which I like to see.
as for the new generation I'm exciting to dive into it and see that's new!
@@GettysGarage I have no idea why everyone doesn't do that style and eliminate one of the biggest issues with the emissions
The timing system is chain driven not gear driven and to replace the injection pump you do need to remove the transmission. I am a diesel tech at a GM dealership. And they have pretty much fixed the extended or no crank issue with a software update.
Oil pump belt will likely get a 200K mile replacement schedule based on actual wear, and the LZ0 uses the exact same setup and has a 200K interval, also the EGR is after the DPF so the soot level should be much much lower.
I don’t know anything about diesel engines per say except I have had a 6.6 Duramax since new 2002 . 315k miles and towed a 6x12 dump trailer at least 250k miles and outside of fuel injectors replaced under warranty no issues although I have something going on with dirty cooling fluid. Temp is fine and a little leak but no white smoke. Anyway I have a order in for a 2023 TrailBoss diesel as I want to get better mileage be a bit kinder to the environment and I won’t be doing the heavy hauling in retirement I use to. Anyway I hope this truck and engine lasts me another 22years .
2022 GMC Sierra 1500 wit the 3.0 L Duramax with 11000 miles. It has been in the shop for emissions issues for 3 weeks now and over $6000 in warranty costs so far. This vehicle also stranded me twice in the first 2000 miles. Good fuel mileage and torque. also transmission is not very smooth all the time.
I Have 44 k on mine it has a plate, and i have pulled over 18.5k lb does good. However, i am having issues with the def filter and cats or maybe a sensor truck goes into a derate mode currently at the dealer maybe it will get it back this week . However, I absolutely love this truck.
Just traded in my 2022 RST, had to replace the EGR sensor as well as the cooling pump. Covered under warranty but the truck only had 35K miles. As far as MPG, I was getting 25mpg over all but with diesel costing $1 more a gallon and needing DEF fluid every couple of months, there was not much of a cost savings in the end. The service manager at my local dealer recommended I get away from this motor as they have a history of being really dependable or really bad, and I appear to have one of the bad ones.
I bought a new RST last month with the 5.3 and wish I had gotten this 3.0
So much for durability with all you have mentioned regarding this motor. What is most important in any engine, reliable oil pressure. So not this motor does not get our vote. And yes all you have mentioned is an issue so stop down playing the negative factors. All the best.
If diesel wasn’t so expensive, I’d buy one in a heartbeat
lsn't it just lovely how...
they make theses things so costly ....
(and labor intensive) to work on.
ka'ching bling bling
fir the shops having more HARD WORK
for the diesel technicians.
Can you say weather the 2.8 Duramax is good for 500k miles and the car 6 speed they use in that truck worth getting? Found one with 16k miles and he wants 40k. Thanks for another video
And this is why I leased mine
I have a 2021 colorado with the 2.3 Duramax. I would love to be able to put a 3 liter in my truck, but the 2.3 is incredible in its own right. I get 30 mpg with it and love it.
I wouldn't say there are no issues with the emissions systems. My buddy got a brand new Sierra with the 3.0 Duramax and had the DEF heater go out after only a month causing it to go into limp mode. GM apparently didn't make the connector water tight so it got water in it and shorted out.
Nope fair enough! I guess what I was trying to say is there is no consistent issues. yes thing will fail and and fail more often but it seems likes the emission issues are at a minimum. which is nice to see!
Sontht is a human error ???
Our ‘21 GMC Sierra Elevation LM2 is at the dealer getting a slow leaking front crank seal fixed for the 2nd time.
Does it come with the Allison transmission? And it has maintenance cost issues i heard very costly at the 100,000 mile mark . Ouch
Oil pump fail will not be catastrophic!!! Just pull off to the side of the road tow it to shop and get it replaced if happend. (3hr job) Plus there wasn't a single case of one failing.
Stop scarring people with the whole belt thing. GM now say 200k miles maintenance item for belt and it's not that hard to do.
I'm a tech at a GM dealer and one thing I'm noticing about working on the LM2 is the crazy labor times involved in fixing these trucks. Recently had a to fix a lower crankcase extension leak due to a factory RTV failure under warranty. 26 hours in labor for that. Outside of warranty you'd be paying around 40 hours of labor for that fix. Simply because of the the amount of stuff that surrounds these engines that needs to be removed to really do anything.
I would suspect oil pump belt change will be $2000 labor + parts. So few will be 4x2 so transfer case and trans comes out to get the back engine cover off.
I think as a buyer of this inline 6 diesel it would be wise to buy the extended warranty and beyond . Wow
I’ve been a Toyota guy for a long time because GM and Ford broke my heart with their lack of pride and unreliable products. I hope obviously that they fix this, go for broke and make the best trucks, and I will return, happily. I’m voting with my dollars, to force improvement.