Paralleling TWO Different Generators Honda Eu3000is Honda Eu2200i
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- In this Video I show what its like to parallel two different size generators. Honda Eu3000is and Honda Eu2200i. Both inverter gens will load share and both will sync the AC load in matching phase so it will not harm your generators or the loads you are powering including sensitive items. Thanks for watching and Subscribe. #parallelinggenerators#hondaeu3000#hondaeu2200i#invertergenerator
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I hope this helps everyone a little when paralleling two generators.
What did you think about the meter readings?
Great info ! I’m hoping to mate three Honda's soon.
I may be trying that as well lol..
Will see when I get a box
Good morning Johnny great video! can you connect a 240v compressor on a parallel honda 3000 eu generator and 2000i will it power the compressor?
Hello. Unfortunately no as this will still only output the same voltage as it’s in parallel so double the amps and not volts.
So still 120…👍🏼
Great video. I have both same generators and never thought I could parallel them because of different wattage. Now I don't have to buy a bigger one. Thanks.
Your welcome glad I could…😀👍🏼
Finally a proven and verified load and metering test that proves inverter generators regardless of size and number (2,3,5,7) share the load Amp load above and beyond each individual rated I-generator. Your proven test put the nail in the coffin of all the made-up theorys from the universal Amp barrier to a black-hole opening. Now I know my WEN I4000 and 2 predator I2000 will work together bt simply adding one more set of banana wires from the parallel junction box to my 3rd generator providing 6700 watts.
Awesome glad I could help..😀👍🏼
Thanks for putting this together and I particularly like the clamp-on meter readings showing the current supplied by each generator. I have an EU3000is with a less robust wheels kit that I've been using since 2015 for off-grid camping and for emergency backup at home. It's proven to be a great generator, but lifting it into a pickup bed without help is a major struggle. Curiously, it would not reliably start the Coleman Mach 13.5 on my previous camper with eco switched off, so it wasn't nearly as fuel efficient as I would have liked. A couple of years ago, I added a Predator 2000 as well as a pair of Champion 2000's (the "suitcase" form factor model sold by TSC) to my stable. The predator is a great little generator, is perfect for off grid camping in winter and I routinely ran for 10+ hrs on a single tank of fuel. I had similar results off grid in winter with one of the Champion 2000's, much lighter in weight, but seemed louder when running at higher loads. One oddity about the that particular Champion is the proprietary parallel kit with square banana plugs. That kit would not have allowed parallel connection to either of my other generators, so I built up a suicide parallel kit expressly for testing. Although the Champions were happy running in parallel with an identical unit, they refused to play well in parallel with my Honda EU3000is or with my Predator 2000 so I quickly ended those tests. (Note that I would never recommend that very dangerous harness configuration for field use and once my tests were completed, I completely dismantled it.) I spoke with Champion about that issue, but to no great surprise, they wouldn't not offer any useful related information. Although I did like the light weight and portability of the Champions, I sold that pair earlier this year to a friend who wanted them for emergency home backup. He bought the correct parallel kit and has been completely happy with them.
Using a conventional 30A parallel from Harbor Freight, a surprisingly well built harness, I was able to parallel my Predator 2000 with my Honda EU3000is and the oscilloscope showed a very clean and stable waveform. I never ran that combination it at higher loads and never used it in the field in that configuration, so I can't speak to how they shared loading.
I've since purchased a pair of Honda EU2200i's with CO minder and bluetooth. (As a random aside, I'd gladly give up the CO minder for the 12V output on the previous model. If you're aware of a way to get 12v out of that unit, I'd be very interested in that mod.) In reading through the manual for the EU2200i, Honda makes a point of expressly stating which Honda generators can be run in parallel. I'm not sure why they're so very specific or what might be any detrimental effects of parallel operation of models that don't fall into that compatibility chart. If you have any insight, I'd be interested in having that information.
Wow great comment, lots of info.
I to had the champion 2000 model and loved how light and easy it was to throw around. But just a little louder and honestly I wanted a little more power.
As far as why companies tell you to only run like generators I’m sure is for warranty and sales logistics only. The item you power doesn’t care where it comes from or how as long as it’s correct. And the generators only know how to out power out when a load is needed. So when a certain amount of draw is applied the inverter board will apply said load. And as long as the wave form matches the other gen and both are in phase then they probably don’t notice much difference. I’m sure if you put a in line oscilloscope on each gen then one after the parallel kit you could see if the is any distortion. If there isn’t or in falls with in spec then I’m sure you could do this all day long as long as both gens can put out clean enough power under loads.
I’m sure some electrical genius could rig something up, or may already know.
But in the end I think every company wants you to buy two. Why not males for better sales.
@@johnnysweekends I recently added a Micro-Air EasyStart 364 to the Dometic 13.5 on our current camper and that's been a game-changer for warm weather boondocking. I'll likely still take along both EU2200i's, but the ability to stay cool with only one burning gas is pretty awesome.
Yes I agree. They help a lot only problem is with a 15k unit you are almost maxed and running the gen as almost max capacity on those hot days. And even worse if some elevation comes into play. Honda could have made the 2200 into a 2500 watt unit and it probably would have been fine. But I have been carrying another unit around with me now. Same size as Honda but more power. But will still keep the Honda.
Thank you for making this video, ive always wondered what would happen. Happy to see they shared the load the way they did and not 50/50. Great job
Thank you so much…glad I could help
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@@johnnysweekends Now make a video using 2 diffrent brand inverter generators and see if they share the load the same was the hondas do. :)
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@@bobbyk6761 yes would like to see the EU2200i parallel with champion, wen, Westinghouse 😝
I guess I could try the Maxpeedingrods rods with the Honda.
I need a oscilloscope and maybe some other stuff to. That way I can blow up some crap equipment verses my trailer…🤣🤣👍🏼
Brilliant display and detailed video on how these would world together in a parallel... Interesting how they know how to share the loads equally.. Cheers !!
Great video. I love how you showed the individual amps from each generator. Keep in mind to get that little extra out of the large generator you could plug say a hair dryer in locally to the larger generator bypassing the parallel connection, so all is not lost when you combine. As we know parallel generally will double the wattage of the small generator , once you exceed that the overload ligHt comes on.
The two inverter outputs are hard bused together via the box he is using, doesn’t matter what particular socket you plug into be it the ones on the box or either unit panels. The two inverters see it and share proportionally based on rating, approx.
This is interesting. It is supposed to be general knowledge that if you parallel generators of different wattage, the larger one is limited to the current of the smaller one. The smaller one starts to overload and its voltage starts to decrease. These Honda's seem to work on a percentage basis, so that they both contribute the same percentage of their capability to the load. They would have to be design that way. I have two EU2000i's one is a companion and an EU3000is. Making me think a bit.
You can actually do you with many others . I plan to parallel several different ones and brands and see what happens…
As long as they are inverter type gens they will sync in phase after the AC load is applied. Technology is cool right.
I think they don’t tell you this that way you buy two like brands or sizes.
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@@johnnysweekends And subscribed too!
Awesome thank you so much..😀👍🏼
I'll be able to test the WEN inverter generators (1700 + 3500 ) this weekend. I have the same parallel kit.
I hooked a Honda Eu3000is and a Eu1000i and I brunt out the 1000 inverter. So I totally agree they should be only be one size difference away from each other
Yea you don’t wanna over work one, it’s just when you need a little more for a while or maybe to kick something on or emergencies then it’s what ever to survive lol.
Did you Honda 1000 burn up it starts up but doesn't make any power? My helper had both generators running Honda 2200 and a Chinese 1000 inverter generator and plugged them in. The Chinese inverter 1000 almost locked the engine up. Pull start cord was extremely hard to pull almost to the point of breaking. You definitely couldn't start the Chinese 1000 watt inverter generator after that.
Some explanation for why you can get full power out of two different sized generators. As the load increases from 0 to 100%, the voltage output drops from around 127 to 120. Since the voltage drop of the larger generator will be less at a given load, it will push more wattage, automatically balancing the load proportionally between the generators.
The outputs of the two inverters are electrically connected together, the common bus voltage is the same.
@@robertp7209 What @andrewalaska is describing is essentially correct. This is basically how the full-scale electric power grid works with power plants of different sizes and capabilities as well. Each source contributes differently based how capable it is of pushing the grid back towards the nominal voltage. The fact that the voltage at the tie point is the same so that each source sees almost the same voltage is exactly why this works. The key is that word "almost". The devil is in the details as they say.
@@bradarmstrong3952 perhaps it’s the effect of Inductive reactance of the load, not likely the load is unity power factor. Real Power is generated by horsepower, VARs not. And what method of reading voltage, RMS ? - With respect to inverters. Full scale synchronous utility generators adjust field voltage to generate or absorb VARs.
Awesome. I have two different 3500 and 3800 inverter generators I'll get a parallel kit and tryout.
Nice 👍🏼
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
Super video, really appreciate the set up you did to not waste time...ie I already have a cup of water in micro.
Thank you I try to not put any fluff in there if I can….the video, not the microwave 😂👍🏼 👊🏼
I just paralleled a Honda eu10i with a Chinese SP Tools 4500. They played nice together. There was a Phantom draw of about 240W at 240V between the two running units without load attached. Maybe that is the missing amp you noticed. Was able to start and run a 3HP compressor. 5700W measured on start up 4500W from SP and 1200W from Honda. They load shared perfectly to do outputs on each then ran at 3000W with both gennys relaxing. I didn't see anything limiting me to only twice the smallest unit capacity.
For Canadian I’ve contacted Honda Canada and they don’t plan to supply the Bluetooth features anytime soon for Canadian. I bought a US version… Bluetooth is a no brainer for me and I don’t need the outdated 12 volts outlet.
I'm going to try my Honda 3000 with a Predator 4550 since I watched this. Thank you for the video!
It that the open frame unit? Is that one a inverter gen?
@@johnnysweekends it's the open frame inverter
Ok as long as its a inverter
Always great reviews thank you much keep them coming
Thank you so much. Much more coming 👍🏼😀
Excellent video! Thanks for the great explanations. Good job.
Your welcome and thanks for watching 👍🏼😀
Great video years later johnny!
Are you able to power down one generator for an oil change while keeping the other running ? I want to avoid turning off fridge a small ac.
You could yes as long as load is not to large for the other.
I've got an eu2000i and eu3000i, I'm gonna parallel them.
Wow sorry I didn’t see this.. definitely 👍🏼😀
Very interesting. Man that 3000 is huge.
It is which is why there are so many other options now that have way more power and less weight.
Granted these are tanks and will last a long time but I have heard of several problems with these as well. Especially the newer models it seems. The early 2000s and down seem to be the best of the bunch.
@@johnnysweekends What kind of problems do you have with them if i may ask? I'm torn between the 3000 and new 3200
Well they comment was not exactly right. But from all the comments and groups I belong to many are having idle or low load issues with the 2200 and the newer model 3000 unit the inverter board looks to not be available to buy if it goes out so then its a paper weight, and the 2200 model is not lasting like the older 2000 models I guess. I sold my 3000 because I didn’t want to take a chance on a dead inverter then …now what. Honda is only good if you can replace the big parts. But is it worth replacing the parts if the generator is already pretty old and used. Or put your money into a new unit.
The 3200 seems nice but man I can justify the price tag. It’s just crazy. You can buy several generators for that price. And since Honda has been using cheaper items in there units and truly not holding up like they used to, then is it really worth it..?
Now people who have had problems with there Hondas I always ask what the problems are and what was done to see if its the unit or maybe the operator? So anyway that’s just what im seeing.
I still have my 2200 but it doesn’t get used much as you can probably understand.
Excellent video thank you
great test. thanks for sharing
Do have to also use the parallel box when paralleling two different size generators or can you use just the Honda Parallel kit?
You can use the Honda kit and plug into the eu3000is
@@johnnysweekends THANK YOU! You have the best channel for Generator info.
@@johnnysweekends Why does Honda say not to parallel different models when they know you can?
@Asidebar thank you 🙏🏼
What do you do to protect your Inverter generators from the rain? I'm in Florida and when we lose power, it's usually accompanied by blowing winds and rain.
Gen tents or dog house, generator house or shed, or gen box. A lot of options just have to keep air moving so it doesn’t trip the CO alarm. So can use a little fan plugged into the front and more. You can search generator boxes and see what works best for you
A few quotes from a Alabama truck driver who has a Honda EU3000 on his semi...
"It sits outside for three years with no cover."
"My unit is strapped to the frame behind the cab on my Class 8 tractor with two inch straps to the handles."
"One time in the pouring rain in Florida the moisture caused the no oil light to come on but otherwise the water has not bothered it. I have been using it steady for three years now."
Source: Diesel Truck Resource Forums
This is awesome. I have an eu2000i, a eu2200i, and want to buy a bigger Honda generator to serve as a whole-house/camp power source. It’s great to know that you can interconnect these generators. Can you connect the older eu2000i with the eu3000is?
I haven’t done the smaller older eu2000 unit but a couple other people have.
Start the big unit first then the small.
Check voltages and test with small stuff first to make sure every thing is working correctly and connected right and should be good.
Warning ⚠️ one commenter actually has a issue and I think burned up one unit. Or something. He said it ran but no power but both worked fine before. Not sure why or what happened. But there have been several others that have been fine..🤷♂️
Hi, i am paralleling an honda eu2000i and a eu3000i and the amp are reverse. I pull twice the amp on the smaller generator and the rest on the big one?? Any thoughts
Start the big one first when both are connected and are you using a parallel box or plugging into the eu3000is
Thank you thank you. What I was looking for!! Is it just the hondas or Does all inverter generator do that? Load sharing?
All I have done it with a few others but I don’t mix anything with the Hondas lol. I leave them to themselves but I have mixed other units…
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Thank you for the video. I was wondering…..if you ever have the chance and the generators available….could you make a video paralleling a 2300 watt surge together with a 1200 watt surge and seeing how they react to running your RV AC? How the load would be shared? Thanks for all your generator videos and info
Your welcome. If I can find some in that range, eventually I will. 👍🏼
Thanks Johnny, this was a great demonstration, Where can I get a meter set up like the one you used to monitor the data.
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I think you can just plug in to the twist lock on the larger generator and use plain parallel cables and it will work the same, correct? Its a cheaper way to do it if one of the generators has the plugin that you need.
Yes
Tks. Keep on going.
Thank you, appreciate it..👍🏼😀
Thank you. I was under the impression that both would put out the same amps, so for 2000W, the small one should have put out 1000W and the big one 1000W. In your assessment, it looks like the big one puts out 61% and the smaller one puts out 39% of the load. I wonder why they don't do the 50/50? Any idea?
I honestly don’t know why they don’t try to equal the power. I though it was a little odd as well.
I played with it a few times and still did the same thing.
But it worked fine, and never did anything odd. So it’s nice to know I can add more power with this setup.
They accept load proportional to their ratings.
Per some of the other top comments here, each generator can sense its voltage dropping when the load increases, so they increase power output to compensate (to maintain voltage). That consistent-voltage-leveling seems to be proportional to (a percentage of) their output capabilities. Cool! I'm curious if non-matched BRANDS would also have such good load sharing.
Other brands do it as well. But I would stay Honda to Honda honestly even though others have used other brands together.
But all the other brands together go for it.
Thanks for this video. One question. I currently have a eu3000is and need a little more power. so want to run a 2200 in parallel. I have a Honda parallel wire but it doesn't plug in the center like yours. Can I use mine and just run it from the 3000 or will I need something similar. Huge help. TIA
Try it. That would function the same as just using the companion and that’s how it’s actually designed. When you look for the parallel kit, it’s just the cables and no box.
Video is awesome! So I’m looking to buy 2 generators at 30amps/4000watts each to run in parallel for my 5th wheel. Running the generators with the parallel kit, I can only get 50 amps max due to the parallel kit and not the combined 60 amps of each generator?
The generators will put out full load. The parallel kit if gets to hot should or will trip the breaker.
What you don’t wanna do is over load your Rv and burn up the wiring from high loads at max.
It will probably support all 60 amps but for how long idk and you could possibly cook something in higher temps and sustained run times.
I'm not very educated with generators or electronics but I was understanding most of this. Where I got confused was with the parallel kit, I saw there was a 50amp plug and 30amp plug. So you plugged into the 30amp plug and was running about 40amps so why didn't the 30amp plug trip on the parallel kit. I know the generator didn't trip because the load was shared and didn't go over 30amps on the individual generator but shouldn't the 30amp plug trip on the parallel kit..... thanks for the informative video!!!!!
I think he was only at 32 amps when the Honda cut out from overload. Would it be safer to use the 50 amp 120v outlet, yes, but I don’t think 32 amps on a short test is going to hurt it. Does this parallel kit even have a fuse or breaker?
So even a 15 amp circuit can have a 20 amp pass thru but not long. The wiring in the parallel box is all the same I bet. A couple a I took apart are. But yes there is a 30 amp breaker on the 30 side but I bet it could hold 35 amp for a long time any above that I bet it would only be a matter of time till it tripped. You could use the 50 amp side to a 30 amp adapter but the same load will be on one wire if you use it that way for a 30 amp service trailer.
Yes one for each outlet..👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends I have a 3000i Handi & 3000iS I would like to parallel when needed as backup power for my home. Can you recommend a 50 amp parallel kit? Thanks
There are several but I like the champion and also the wen as they both seem like quality units..I have the wen but I would also take the champion. I think both allow 6000 running watts.
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My friend, Honda says,
"Connecting an EU2200i with an EU2000i or EU2000i Companion that is not within the compatible serial range above may cause a low voltage output, which can damage tools and appliances powered by the generators. Units outside the compatible serial number range should only be paralleled with another EU2000i."
Should you be doing this?
I'm curious about getting a predator 3500 and I currently have a EU 2200i... Would I be able to parallel those together since they are both inverters? Not causing damage?
You can but I keep the Chinese stuff together and the Hondas together lol.
Other people have though
Great video.
Thank you…👍🏼😀
Honda told me they have to be the same size generators i have the same ones you do are they correct i just bought the same parallel board you are using as well im running Honda eu3000 to Honda 2200
I have a Honda EU3000, and a Wen 3800 watt, you should parallel them. I wanna know how they work together. For the record I think my Wen Is a lemon, hence the Honda lol
Well one thing I have noticed which I don’t have any proof😂 but I don’t think Yamaha or Honda play well with others.
I would parallel most any Chinese type together but the Hondas may need to stay together. If I didn’t care about mine I would try several together and try things out and see if anything fries but ya know, this stuff isn’t cheap. 😂
@@johnnysweekends oh, I’ve noticed they aren’t cheap….
lol nope.
Can i parallel a honda EU3000 and an EU2200 ? My problem is that while the EU3000 runs everything , sometimes it cant rev up fast enough while in ECO mode . I don't want to run in NON eco mode . I want a fix for when occasionally running power tools and things up my cabin . Sometimes the Microwave can drag the EU3000 down and trip it's breaker, sometimes not ...and it only does this while in ECO mode . 90% of the time, ECO mode is fantastic but i don't wana run full RPM all day when working on projects and things .
You could turn eco mode off just for the few times you are bouncing higher loads.
Or have a look here… ua-cam.com/video/2qXZF4y8PaY/v-deo.html
To add, you are not running the unit properly. The eco mode is for lighter steady loads, in general. The microwave is a substantial load, doesn’t matter how long it actually runs. So is most motors on tools, with added inrush current upon starting - is many multiples more that full load current. Same for refrigeration compressors. Eco allows the engine to run slower, not at a given synchronous constant speed like standard induction or synchronous generators do. That’s why they can be, in part quieter and more fuel efficient, but a lot more expensive to get same ratings. You can get a smaller and thus lower watt rated microwave, to try. Or turn off other loads before using microwave and tools, then turn those back on.
I currently have two EU2200i's, companion and regular, with a Honda parallel kit that is recommended for the 2200's. Can I safely parallel one of the 2200's with an EU3000is using that same parallel kit?
It’s no different then what I did. Your just skipping the box and running it all through the 3000is L5-30r plug.
The wire gauge I bet is the same for the 2200 and 3000is kit. All 10 or 12g.
@@johnnysweekends Appreciate your answer; thank you.
I love Johnny's weekends. I have two of the wen 2250s. I run in parallel here and there. I have thought about getting the wen 3800. The 2250 is 2,250 starting of course and 1800 running and the 3800 is 3,400 running. So does that mean I would get 6,050 starting and 5,200 running if i paralleled a 2250 and 3800? Because the total running wattage of both of those generators in your video is a total combined of 4,600 watts and you were almost there comfortably lol. Hope all this makes since.
Yup that’s technically what it means. They would be load sharing. Kinda cool right…!
@@johnnysweekends Awesome info. I've seen a video or two of where a guy claims when you parallel two generators of different sizes, you only get double wattage of the smaller one. I always wondered how accurate that was 🤔. So if you paralleled an eu3000 with a eu1000, it just doesn't make since to me that you would have 2,000 starting and 1,800 running with both of them together 😱
Yea that doesn’t make since because the larger one will still provide you with the same amount of power the larger one has.
The small one is just jumping in to help.
Which you can see my over all out put was higher then it could possibly be with either on there own.
Still 120volt though
@@johnnysweekends Makes since! Thanks 😊
Per your comment at 4:30 ….So if these various inverter generators sync up so easily electrically with each other at the same frequency etc. if a person were to accidentally connect their Honda generator in with the electric utility grid power would the Honda generator electrically sync automatically with the grid frequency or would the generator blow up or catch fire? I have been looking for a UA-cam video that demonstrates that and the results… But have not found one yet… I have seen a lot of people make comments that things would blow up… But haven’t seen any evidence to back that up…
You can not do that, these are sending power out of one box… and not receiving power like plugging into a house, that’s back feeding, basically a head on collision.
Much like a suicide cord you just don’t do it.
@@johnnysweekends I appreciate the reply! I still don't understand why. You mention a head on collision - just trying to figure out how that would be different than the "head on collision" between the power of two generators running in parallel. Specifically when generator #2 is started the inverter must be detecting that there is already a ~120v 60hz current being fed through the parallel connections from generator #1 and matches that frequency. How would that be different than if generator #2 was getting grid power (which would also presumably be ~120v 60hz) via the parallel connections? Wouldn't gen #2 just match that grid frequency the same way as it would match the frequency from generator #1?
Lol Patrick your gonna hurt my head.
Well maybe I’ll try this way..
Gen 1 is the grid.. going to the parallel box. That’s the house,the power terminates there.
Gen 2 is also the grid sending power down the line to meet up at the house.
Power is terminated there ready for use.
You can draw from the house but you can add to it. Like a suicide cord. Only meant to draw from.
Why the two generators are able to talk to each in that way and be in sync is more for the engineers.
Have you tried this with the powerhorse brand? I have the older 3500 and also have the new 2300 both inverters.
You can with those as well. If you look at one of there add catalogs they show a pic of those two units paralleled together.
@JOHNNY'S WEEKENDS thank you
Could you do a test on the predator 3500 and the predator 2000. Reason I ask I have a 2000 and about to purchase a toy hauler. Was thinking about getting the predator 3500
I don’t have the predator 2000 anymore but I do have a Aipower which I prefer over it because of certain features but they are almost identical in every way under the plastic so I can use that and do that test.
I’m interested in doing something like this, do you know why Honda recommends that both inverted have to be the same models?
Release of liability… so only same units should be ran and also a sales thing
Have you paralelled a predator generator and a yamaha or firman inverter generator yet?
I have paralleled other brands but not a Yamaha with something or a Honda with something. Just predator with Aipower or Aipower with champion and more. I feel ok about that but for some reason doing a Honda with something else …. It’s like using a iPhone with some off brand items… the iPhone seems to purposely not register it or even fry the device it seems… lol.
So I don’t with those.
@@johnnysweekends that's scary. Good to know though
Can they be paralleled without that same setup you're using? For instance, I'd like to just use the cable available from Honda.
Yea the Honda cable works fine.
@@johnnysweekends Okay thanks. Some people are saying that it won't work when you use 2 different size units.
People have been using different size generators paralleled for a while now.
I think there is a spread, basically not going to far apart as far as power output.
I would do a 2000 watt unit with a 5000 watt unit. But the little Honda and bigger 3000 watt unit are relatively close together.
I've seen a video where the guy parallels 2 Hondas by plugging a homemade box directly into the dulpex receptacles of the generators. So imagine what looks like 2 male ends of an extension cord going into each generator, and from there they connect to a box that provides a 30 amp connection for the camper. Would you recommend that as an alternative, and would you still be able to use the unused receptacle available on the generator? Thanks.
I wouldn’t personally as then you are going against what the manufacturers say on how to hook up and parallel your generators. Sure it could work. But I would use the parallel ports.
Sounds like a "suicide cord". No thanks.
@@jerrybell6786 I'm not sure that it is. He doesn't use the 15 amp house style outlets to do it. He plugs into the specifically integrated outlets for that cable. He essentially builds that specifically designed cable but it gets ran into an outlet that is independent from the generator. I'll look for the video and send it to you. I myself wouldn't go to the trouble of building the cable. I'd just buy it from Honda, cut it in half, and then I'd build from that. I'll send you the video when I find it
@@jimdent351 Jim, you plug one male plug into the generator while it's running and the other male end is hot. Touch that and it's good night nurse.
Jerry, it doesn’t hurt that bad….😂
Why use the 30 amp plug instead of the 50?
Because you still only get one hot leg. So you can plug into the 50 if you want but the power output will be the same
What would happen if say the smaller one shuts off. Will the one that shuts off be damaged due to it not producing power? I know that standard sine wave inverters will be damaged. Perhaps Honda and other Inverter generators have designed for that but that would be interesting to know/find out.
Now that I Think about it the way that they Sync Frequency may have something to do with it.
I don’t think anything will happen except your overall output will be less. And if the power draw is too high the other generator will just go into overload and shut off and not produce power, so you’ll have to reset.
Where you thinking it would back free to the off generator?
No just curious to figure out how the inverter is handling the line sync and power control from the inverter.
So wondering how the smaller gens inverter is handling loads as compared to the larger gens inverter?
Maybe as in the smaller gens load could be more then what is showing. Maybe due to inconsistency of loads to that gen?
Something like that. Lol
I didn't see a link to the wheel kit that you have could you share that please
Here is the link, stock has been limited though.
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My house transfer switch is set up for L-14 30 amp inlet & probably 240 can I use my Honda EU-2200 with another EU2200 using the RV plug with adapter to L-14 plug in. Thank You
You can use a L5-30r to L-14 30 amp pigtail adapter to your Honda, then plug in your generator cord to your house. You will only have one hot leg so only 120volt. So not sure how they wired your panel and what goes to what.
You can add your 2200i paralleled to the other for more power but still not 220. Only more amps at 120volt.
You need a different generator for 240/220 volt.
Hope this helps
Here is a link to the adapter
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I thought your had one 3000 unit at first and a 2200.
So I edited the first post. So if you have the 2200i and the companion model you would parallel the two and run main power off the companion model with the adapter in the link I provided to your generator cord.
Still only have one hot leg at 120 volts though.
@@johnnysweekends so only thing will run is 110V on the transfer box it has switches so I only switch the items I need in 110V like my furnace & icebox & couple lights. Does this sound right. Thank You
Yes that’s a great setup because it’s simple to find or setup the items you wanna power like a bathroom and kitchen so the fridge will have power.
When you parallel, both the peak and rated watts are doubled ?
You double the amps of the small unit only
Hi, hope you are well. I have connected 2 inverter generators in parallel and i am getting the opposite load sharing and i am wondering if you can help. I have a dual fuel ipower gxs4300idc connected in parallel with a honda eu2000i. When i loaded them with 24 amps, 15 amps was on the honda and 9amps on the ipower. You can imagine i need the opposit to happen, 15 on the ipower and 9 on the honda. Can you help me with this?
That is odd and definitely opposite.
I would make sure you are starting the large generator first then the little one. Then try again.
If not maybe try both running but not connected, then connect your parallel cords or box again with larger unit first.
Make sure connection is correct. Matching color plugs and all. Unless Aipower unit is possibly switched ..
@@johnnysweekends hi, thanks for your reply and your help! I will try starting the bigger before. Do you know the rationale behind starting the bigger unit first? Also, i had to purchase 4mm female to female adaptor to connect my bigger generator to the parallel kit as the ipower parallel outlet connections are male connector vs my honda are female. I use a firman parallel kit with male connectors. Would this small added resistance influenced?
Oh…i was also told that there was no right way to connect the wires and i think is supported by the fact that the parallel kit wires are both black…am i wrong?
I don’t know why it makes a difference but I started the small one first once, with all wires connected and it went opposite.
Not sure why but I always start the big one first and no issues
But I should try it again just to confirm.
And not sure on your wiring if that would interfere as you are just connecting it. And a connector should not really make a difference unless there is something special about the Aipower
@@johnnysweekends ok, i will try this again!!🤣🤣
I am paralleling a honda 2200 and Honda 3000 but the 50amp plug is not triggering the shore power to kick on. I can get the 30 amp to work with my grounded adapter but the 30amp breaker trips if I try to run 2 ac units. is there a way to get the 50amp plug to work with the shore power?
Even after connecting the two you still only get one hot leg at 120volts. You don’t get two hot legs. Just 120volts now able to run higher amps.
One thin you can do is a 50 amp to 30 amp Rv adapter straight from the 50 amp cord.
Also what else are you running inside the Rv..?
Is the converter on? Is the water heater on ? Outside fridge and more?
@@johnnysweekends Thank you for your quick reply. The only other items that are on are the inverter and the large nor cold refrigerator. I will try the 50amp to the 30 adapter to see if it can handle the load better
Yes let me know how that works and also with the converter on that charges your batteries if it’s drawing 5 amps that may be enough to not allow the second ac to fire.
I hardly ever use my converter. The switch is actually off and always charging from solar. But I can flip it to charge if needed.
But that can draw to much of running fridges lights tv and more.
Let me know 👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends another great tip. I will make sure to turn it off and see if that does the trick to run 2 ac units. Thanks again for all your help.
You’re welcome and let me know what you find. 😀👍🏼
can I parallel a 3500 W predator with a 9500 W predator?
Yes connect both then start the large unit first then the smaller one. Check for normal output on maybe smaller loads and check with a meter for load sharing like in the video just to make sure.
I know someone did it but always better to check to make sure they are talking to each other correctly
Why do they tell you not to mix different sized generators when paralleling if they don't seem to mind any?
Because they want you to buy two of there product. When 95% of them are all the same engines and electronics. Except Honda and Yamaha. But most are so similar.
i saw a guy years ago plug his eu2000 into his house outlet while the house was connected to the grid. that’s when i knew it doesn’t matter they will sync to their master
That’s scary lol…. A inverter sure but still not recommend. But kinda neat 😂
I'm so confused now. I understand that both were sharing the amps but what about the watts? Since you paralleled the smaller are you limited to only the smaller watt capacity?
Amps x volts will give you the watts. But as shown I didn’t have two load meters one on each. But you can see we are easily providing more total power as the big Honda was giving out 23 amps and the small Honda almost 15 for a new total of about 35 amps and neither being over loaded.
Verses with just the big Honda you had a max 23.3 amps running and max 25 amps.
It’s the amps you pay attention to as you are limited to how ever many amps the generator is able to provide and you could see both gens were at about max amps for there rated running amps or watts.
@@johnnysweekends thanks again for explaining that. I've been trying to understand that better as I am looking partially power my house during blackouts. I see the amp sharing in the video.
Yea power your house may be different depending what you want power and how your generator hook may be wired.
You need to find out if it’s wired for 240 or just 120 and certain circuits. Because you may need a generator that’s 240volt capable. These are all 120.
I never knew
Kinda neat right lol 😁👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends yes absolutely, you got my head spinning now. I’ve searched all over the UA-cams and you’re the only one I seen do this.
I also read somewhere that you can pair it with a non-inverted generator.
Thanks for the great video. I’ve had my EU3000IS for 13 hard years on my Semi and the homestead. Best gen ever
As far as a non inverter gen I don’t know if I would mix unless it’s a last option. Just because I don’t know if it would pose a problem with the eu3000 inverter board . I don’t think though but I wouldn’t do it.
But yea lots of different gens can parallel to each other. I would mix several of the Chinese brands together but I don’t know if I would mix them with the Hondas.
Kinda like iPhone knows when you plug a off brand microphone adapter or dongle, I think it fries them purposely after a few plug ins 😂
Now several have been doing this with Hondas or other brands but one person on here for some reason had a issue with his pair and one of the units stopped putting out power…🤷♂️ no idea why or if the issue resolved. But also no idea the condition of the units or what box he plugged into.
So just as a disclaimer one unsuccessful event but mainy successfully have. So just to be transparent.
It’s just nice to know if the eu3000 isn’t enough, you can add on the kit and another gen for more power..👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends thanks for the replies.
No problem…👍🏼
Not sure if you were a dirt bike guy but the original Terra Firma 1 & 2 were awesome 💪🏼👍🏼
CAN I PARALLEL A EU20i WITH A EU22i? THANK YOU
Yup as long as you have one companion model or you’ll need a different kit verses just the cables
I tried with a new honda eu2200i and my old honda eu3000is and it would not stabilized the 60 hertz. It was all over the place. Please be careful as you can burn up some real expensive equipment
Hmm several have done this and no issues that they have reported.
Have you checked each unit individually..?
Did you have both off I assume when connecting to parallel box?
@@johnnysweekends yes, generators were off when connected, the hz is perfect 60 when not paralled, tested on each geny. Thanks
Hmm interesting. Did you fire the big one first? Did you test with oscilloscope?
Wondering why it wouldn’t stabilize
Just tried it again with no luck, bud very bad results on shetdown of eu3000is, when I turned it off, a spark and pop came from the 3000 generator's parallel port, smelled smoke and now niether generator is putting out good power. Think my day is ruined
Whoa that is weird. Many people have been paralleling these units and even off brand units with the Hondas. Which that was one thing I advised against just because I would think Honda is a little more finicky with the inverters then maybe other units.
Did you check fuses …
This is weird because several others have had the same results as I…🤷♂️
Not sure what could be different?
What paralleling box are you using ?
connect your earth lug to an earth stake in the ground
This would create a shock hazard. So not recommended.
@@johnnysweekends no it wouldnt, so will you go into your house and rip all the earths out, no you wouldnt
My house ground are not accessible to be able to grab or touch.
My generator will use the Rv ground or house ground.
Nothing like a kid or person grabbing that wire are the right time when something shorts.
Lighting will fry everything grounded or not.
If it’s a permanent mount unit for home backup then cod says ground unit. But a enclosure is also around it.
I didn't pass algebra so this is all Chinese to me. But from what I can tell, a little honda can parallel with a big honda with that box thingy...
Or just get the Honda paralleling cables. Or a set of any round peg parallel cables. It’s just wire. Make sure each color is in the same hole. Then run all loads off of big generator.
@@johnnysweekends I think I'll just get the honda parallel cables. I don't anticipate needing both, but its nice to have the options.
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