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Ice Cube challenges Nick's Kobe vs. Duncan discussion, LeBron in LA | NBA | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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What do you think about Nick's Tim Duncan vs. Kobe Bryant discussion?
Kobe all day
I guess you guys forget Tim Duncan had pop,Ginobili,Tony parker,the admiral and after Kawhi Leonard and nick is complaining kobe had Shaq really look at a documentary shaq himself said he could relax because he had that kid meaning kobe bryant
Imagine comparing a PF to a SG statistically just to keep the SG out of the conversation of great or GOAT...
One plays under the basket so his rebounding and fg% BETTER be higher
Imagine 1 player having the same core of teammates virtually his whole career and never winning back to back titles there’s your comparison
There is no debate regardless, Kobe flat out is a better talent then Duncan. It was much easier for Duncan to be the best player on his team. Regular season mvps/finals mvps are great but in this case I don’t take into account just from the fact that Kobe averaged 35pt per game and no MVP also having Shaq to share the ball with. If I was picking a player for a team and it was between Kobe and Duncan, I’d choose Kobe 100% of the time because he can score in a variety of ways and has that clutch mentality. He’s just better
I'm not partial to inviting "celebrities" to discuss sports, especially those of an ironic nature. Definitely not an Ice cube guy fan.
Nick Wright would divorce his wife if analytics told him to.
WorldBeater123
He really would tho😂😂😂
WorldBeater123 😂😂😂
Lol
facts lol
Lmao!
Everyone likes to use the "Kobe had shaq" argument but ppl forget that shaq as dominate as he was, didn't have any chips before Kobe came into his own. His best years as a player were with Kobe.
D. Ppl thank you 💯💯💯
Shaq's best years were with Penny n the Magic... he was a better player then too...
@@rizz091a he was more physical yes player no he was cleary better in la
@@SimplyCrossFire no he wasn't he was outta shape he even admitted himself. He was a better player in Orlando he didn't have to do as much n he pushed the ball up court n ran the lane better... watch for yourself...
@@rizz091a he was always out of shape he was more known as what a laker not magic he was better with kobe stats show it as well he had more points rebounds assist playoff mvps all with kobe nothing before him
People don't hate LeBron because of LeBron, they hate him because of people like Nick Wright
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100% truth
What about Skip Bayliss them who was around far before Nick Wright hating.Extreme people like Skip created a path for Extreme for people like nick Wright.Extreme breeds extreme.The haters started this.Besides it’s weak to hate on any player because of the fan base
Yup
You are EXACTLY right.
I'm not a lebron fan because all he does is cry & look for fouls that aren't there.
People forget kobe didn’t have as much mvps because honestly, the media and the league didn’t liked him at all, since his incident they never made him looked good ever again, he had to grind to get everything he had.
stickyhillman99 ouf I agree. That’s why clowns that don’t know basketball won’t put him in the goat convo. The media wasn’t worshiping him like Bron bc they didn’t like Kobe at all
because he didn't have the combination of game and team success to win more
Is what it is
Steve Nash got more mvps than Shaq and Kobe LOL that award is irrelevant. I don't know why Bron fans keep bringing it up all the time. It doesn't mean you're the best - it means the media loves you.
Glad somebody said it people that talk about MVPs to try to use that as a disclaimer to keep Kobe out of the discussion which is shameful...Kobe played on teams that without him in the west would of had the number 1 pick to the playoffs...yet they gave it to Nash wen he clearly wasn't the best in the game...they changed the award to a semi team award to lock Kobe out of the MVP race
If you can't realize Nick is a Kobe hater then you probably are too 💯
Facts
Fax
i like Kobe but TD better and if you say numbers don't count you silly
I'm a big time Kobe hater but I don't see nick Wright as a Kobe hater. mainly because I don't watch his show. well I know enough to know he worships lebron.
Nah I'm just a spurs fan
Nick Wright is the shining example of why people hate on LeBron.
It's more about his obnoxious pretentious fans than lbj himself
yep
i agree, but it’s the same thing with Kobefans aswell.
So hate the fans. Not LeBron
AMEN
"Obnoxious pretentious fans"🤨 Take that statement and apply it to every superstar. Brady, Bron, Kobe, Beyonce, MJ, Rodgers, Steelers, Lakers.... Everyone has those fans.
Kobe is such a legend
@babydickslick thank God that you were born. You are very important for the human race. Keep it up. Haha
babydickslick "NOT GUILTY"
Legend at throwing up bricks.... He should go to Puerto rico to help them rebuild....
Sandernista 81 points 140+ 40 point games 3rd all time scoring 60 points in his last game at age 40 he could also sell buckets for a living
@@Pheonixttty
Jacking up 40 shots to get 40 points isnt what id classify as getting buckets for a living. Guys like MJ, Wilt and KD are people thst got buckets, Kobe laid bricks.
6:00 Jeanie’s Face looking for confirmation: “Did he say f*cked or funked?”
Producer: “it’s Ice Cube Jeanie he can say what he wants”
Jeanie: ”okay”
Jenna
That’s how I see it went down lol
NBAKeliso yeah she kinda is. Always looking back at the production team with a facial expression anytime anyone says something outside the groomed TV boundaries. How about just rolling with it and keeping it moving? That's what pros do. Doing what she does just highlights it even more. Plus, it's ICE CUBE! Have you ever heard one of his albums? This right here is a super PC watered down version of prime Cube.
Israel Rosario Jr. She comes from the Today Show
Hahahahahahaha so accurate.
Their both great champions and future Hall of Fame I have nothing but respect for these 2 legends.
Rolando Martinez shut up
@@abimbolaomowumiomowumi9421 you sound like a miserable person hahah
Nick be talking like Kobe was a scrub when Shaq was on the team!?
Nikki Trevino possibly but I want to imagine having a prime Shaq play either in Toronto with a prime Vince Carter, Orlando with a prime T-Mac, or Philly with a prime A.I.
I can see 3 rings for each of those teams as well!!!
And I see you being wrong. When people think of Kobe they only think about offense for some reason! He was also one of the best defensive guards playing. None of those dudes you named had anything on Kobe defensively. He was better than them all. Smh.
SinaSoh dude shaq had penny hardaway a few years before and he went to the finals but got swept by the rockets. People act like he could of won those finals with any elite guard, but kobe was the biggest reason they got out of the western conference finals. Arguably the best duo of all time, you cant get that if one guy is carrying
@@chrissalcido7410 thank you
@@SinaSoh Kobe and Shaq best 1 2 punch ever!!
Nick Wright will always be the first to bring up Kobe's Finals MVP trophys in why he isn't better than " insert player here " to keep him off mount rushmore or the top 5.
But he has no issue putting Kareem Abdul Jabbar on Mount Rushmore with his 2 Finals MVP. even tho he was carried 4 different times by Magic and Worthy where they won Finals MVP.
Magic and Worthy are better hall of famers than Shaq and Gasol.
Kobe won with much less talent and have to win without Shaq for Nick to even credit him with any championship. This logic isn't applied to anyone else. Magic never won without Kareem. Jordan never won without pippen but Kobe is held to this ridiculous standard because NIck will belittle anyones career if it means Propping LeBron at the very top.
You cannot say Kobe isn't top 5 when the majority of players call him the greatest of their generation. * Dirk, Wade, Parker, Bosh, Durant Etc *
Kobe couldn't hold Kareem's jock with both hand and a weight belt. The Lakers were facing BEASTS in the Finals like Bird's Celtics, Dr J's Sixers and the Bad Boy Pistons.. Shaq and Kobe had by far the weakest Finals competition ever.
Xavier Vega u wont talk about the west competition tho ignore that huh? Ohhh that's why kobe is underrated nobody didnt watch the tough west playoffs lls
Kareem 2 hall of famers carry him to 4 championships. Stop it; he had the luxury of playing with Magic and Oscar Robinson.
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg most missed shots ever and 3x sidekick isn't top 5 all time player and I don't care how much this generation looks up to Kobe 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@brandonlee1947 Nonsense He carried Oscar!!!
And he was still dominating and unstoppable when Magic joined the team!!
Remember Magic for the first 4 years was the 3rd or 4th scoring option..
The option after Magic in his early years was the power forward!!!
Like always Nick lea as out context when it comes to Kobe. "Kobe was carried by Shaq"
Like Kobe wasn't injured on a dirty play in the 2000 finals and then plays a key role in winning those same finals after Shaq fouls out.
Like Kobe wasn't putting up crazy numbers the next two playoff runs and then guarding the best player on the opposite team in the finals.
Nick is such a snake oil salesman and half truth teller when it comes to Kobe that it's disgusting. He's a flat out hater.
All facts
Big facts fam 💯
People always talk about Kobe had shaq he had Phil, he had gasol. I love Duncan but I guess they are blind that duncan had an alright robinson, Ginobili, parker, and pop for his whole career.
Exactly. They leave out the help Duncan had and act like he won by himself but then those same people try to make excuses for LeBron losing twice to Duncan by saying he had such a super strong stacked team and LeBron didn't have as much help against such a stacked team like lmfao what is it gonna be? Gotta pick one, either Duncan didn't have really any much help to win or he had a stacked roster lol
@@joesanthosh5315 Parker and Ginobili weren’t on anyone’s radar for draft. Those two worked and learned from TD on how to be professional basketball players and TD was still the man while they had the time to grow and develop. Tim was always the best player on the team. Two way force that was the best defensive player on the floor and was a number 1 scoring option. He opened up so much for Tony and Manu. Tim immediately came in the league and took over the team from David. Kobe got drafted the year before Tim and we don’t really start talking about him until the beginning of the 3 peat. Tim was already a champion, rookie of the year, and all star mvp (co with Shaq who won the title later) by then.
So Nick just gonna act like Ginobli, Parker, David Robinson and Kawhi are just regular/role players?
Lamont Sanford In 2003, Parker was in his second year and Ginobili was only a Rookie. David Robinson was 38 and in his last season only average 8+7. Duncan was the only all star player of Spurs and no one averaged more than 15 points except himself. Can Kobe win a Championship without all star teammates? Duncan has the same titles, more MVPs, more FMVPs, better record than Kobe. He had slightly better career than Kobe.
David Robinson was already past his prime when he was Duncan’s teammate. Ginóbili is a 6 man and Kawhi wasn’t as good as he is till Duncan retired. Parker was a great “team” player who did his job very well.
Saylavii 1K Tony Parker won FMVP in 2007 and someone could make the argument that Manu could have won the award in 2005. Kawhi was without question the best Spur on the floor in 2014 when he won the award.
It doesn’t take anything away from Duncan as he’s one of the all-time greats, but these are just facts. Kobe has a winning record against Duncan/Spurs in the playoffs. They were in two different systems with different assignments and responsibilities. You can’t even compare a guard to a forward.
Either way, they’ve both had great teammates and all-time great careers. The only time Duncan has played in consecutive finals were in 2014 and 2015. Kobe did it twice (2000-2002 and 2008-2010).
Saylavii 1K lmao BS!
Robinson averaged 21pts, 11rebs, and 2blks per game in Duncan’s first season. In 2000, The admiral averaged 18ppg and 10rpg with over a steal and 2bpg. In fact, from 1997 (the year Duncan entered the league) to 2001 (his last year as an all-star), David Robinson averaged 17ppg, 9.7rpg, 1stl, & 2.5bpg!
It’s clear that David Robinson voluntarily took a step back. He was still a great offensive player and one of the best post defenders in the league. He sacrificed personal stats to win (he carried the Spurs for the majority of his career only to always come up short).
This narrative that David Robinson was just a role player is BS.
Tierre Jevon How about 2003? Except Duncan no one scored above 15 points on average. Can you find another championship team that has only one player score above 15 on average? Kobe never won a championship without all star teammates.
I hate how bias Nick is. Kobe had Shaq, Duncan had Robinson, Parker, Manu, and Kawhi. Duncan had the best coach of all time and a great organization all of his career. Duncan never had to play with teams that had the likes of Smush Parker and Kwame Brown starting. Not to mention that Spurs lost to an 8th seed while fully healthy.
Josue Guillen you are idiot in the making man the fact is you are making excuses idiot
@@hawkeye7740 And guess WHAT? He was Kobes coach LMAO
The best coach of all time was Phil Jackson not Pop. And during Duncan’s first several years, Pop used Duncan was like how Lue used LeBron.
1. Kobe had prime Shaq and prime Shaq is more dominant than any of Duncan's sidekick. Kobe is not even the best player when Shaq is with him. Among Kobe's five ring, three of his rings are carried by Shaq. I don't want to act like Kobe is trash at that time is trash but he is not even the best player at his first three ring. Robinson are declining while Kobe cannot even pass first round before Gasol Byumn come.
@@zixinsong3140 facts pop only cemented himself along side tims greatness.
Kobe 4-2 vs Duncan in the playoffs. Discussion over.
Facts
Shaq carried kobe
Муса Ибрагимов Kobe avg 35 on the road vs spurs and Shaq 23 on the road vs spurs so shut up
babydickslick troll
1-0 without Shaq. Not really relevant. Everyone acts like Kobe was Rick Fox. No one averaging 30 ppg and being an elite perimeter defender is getting carried anywhere.
Ice Cube is the 🐐
Antoine Pitts amerikkkas most wanted is one of the best albums ever
@@Hawkeyes319 Yeah it is. Death Certificate is one of my favorites to.
Kobe was born in this family Lebron was adopted you can’t compare the two.
shaq, wilt and kareem werent either
Ice Cube made himself relevant to the NBA and someday might be in the basketball HOF
D B True and that exposure will lead to millions in endorsements
Nick is the biggest Kobe hater on the planet because he knows Kobe is better than his lover LeBron. No way would anyone pick Dunkin over Kobe. Dunkin is an all time great but he's no Kobe.
Bruh lemme get what you're on cuh. LeBron will always be better than Kobe breh and that's a fact
DeMar DeChosenOne it’s only a fact for you and the rest of the LeBron cult but you keep being delusional.
@@johnway1019 lol noooooo you tweaking. LeBron had a better prime and won most of the matchups between LeBron and Kobe
Duncan better player than Kobe anyday
Jordan > LeBron > Duncan > Kobe
So nobody remembers back in the early 2000's and mid 2000's when Tim Duncan's own teammates were saying kobe was the best in the league and "world" ?????????? When was Tim Duncan ever considered the best of anything? He's great but Kobe is easily top 5 we've ever witnessed
Craig Royce widely considered as the Best PF of all time but I get where your going
this is beyond stupid. Post a link where his spurs teammates said that. I vividly remember parker and ginobili saying on multiple occasions that duncan was the best. So not sure where that came from. And duncan is ranked all time right where kobe is depending on who you ask. Kobe was flashier but it ends there
Муса Ибрагимов kobe avg 6 assists plenty of years
Ur right never the best but the greatest power forward ever tim duncan
Муса Ибрагимов Kobe played in a Dominant wing era with T Mac, Ai, D Wade, Paul Peirce, Ray Allen and surpassed them all. Kobe was a cold blooded closer and Killer, not a mundane piece of Mediocrity like Timmy. Kobe was a player who single handidly dominanted. Tim wasn't. Kobe owned Tim. 4-2 vs. him in the playoffs. End of discussion.
Duncan's 2003 championship run had 38y/o David Robinson, 2nd year Tony Parker and a rookie Ginobili. Tim managed to beat out Kobe & Shaq Lakers and Kidd & Carter Nets where he averaged 24pts, 15rebs, 5ast and 3blks. This year gives Tim the slight advantage over Kobe's career. Tim was also the mvp that year
Not just that year, but Duncan did more to make the whole team better. The Spurs were always competitive with Duncan. The first few season after Shaq left the Lakers were lousy, partly because Kobe was more of an individual player.
Imagine comparing a PF to a SG statistically just to keep the SG out of the conversation of great or GOAT...
One plays under the basket so his rebounding and fg% BETTER be higher
Imagine 1 player having the same core of teammates virtually his whole career and never winning back to back titles there’s your comparison
Andre Swagassi they should pin this comment lol
chaimajin hasol by that notion do you realize what you’re saying?
Kobe has more
total points
Total assists
Total steals
Kobe averages more
PPG
Assists per game
Steals per game
Kobe has more :
All Star appearances (you know how y’all love that menial accolade)
All defensive 1st team selections
All Nba first team selections
Duncan has more
Blocks
Rebounds
Finals MVPs
And MVPs
And Duncan averages more
Blocks
Rebounds
So again chill with the false narratives ....
Couldve swore you said Kobe loses in accolades and stats vs Duncan
Im curious as to how you’ll try to deflect this
chaimajin hasol if you want to count the 2nd/3rd all defensive awards I will definitely give you that ...
But Duncan only has 1 more finals MVP and Reg season MVP than Kobe.
If you want to count total true accolades other than Rings
Both have 15 all nba selections 1,2 or 3rd
Duncan has 15 all defensive
Kobe has 12 all defense selections
Duncan has 3 finals MVPS
Kobe has 2 finals MVPs
Duncan has 2 MVPS
Kobe has 1 MVP
Kobe has 2 Gold medals
2 Scoring titles
3 More All star selections
Which would mean other than rings
Duncan has 50 total accolades
Kobe has 52
And as far as the fg% / efficiency Im the original poster and said I expect Duncan to be more efficient as he played under the basket ....
The Kobe vs Duncan comparison is NO comparison
Front court vs backcourt
Pf vs SG
It’s just folks way to try to push Kobe further down the conversation
Only thing you could naturally compare between the two is accolades. And Kobe has more
He even has more menial all star MVPS
I do agree with you about all star selections but the media and everyone gives it high praise even though it’s a popularity vote
So if you take out the 18 vs 15 all star selections Kobe still holds the helm in accolades
Spurs won 61 games after Duncan retired. Lakers been irrelevant since Kobe's achilles. That may not speak the players individually but says a lot about the organizations. The spurs are among the top of all sports in terms of consistency. They dont miss the playoffs regardless of who is on their roster. Duncan still a legend in my book but was more fortunate in that sense.
chaimajin hasol just because you only consider a few accolades doesn’t mean the others aren’t accolades ... accolades are accomplishments/awards.
You’re trying to rank accolades and that’s incorrect ...
James Harden missed out on 2 MVPS because of votes ....
Westbrook got an MVP for averaging a triple double and the averaged one the next year and wasn’t even 3rd place in votes.
This is what Lebron fans do. Seriously, this is one of the main reasons why people hate LbJ fans. They're irrational & closed minded(with a taste of sensitivity when you speak up against LBJ).
oj oj nah ima LeBron fan but Kobe is easily in my top 3, and was the best player from about 03-08 in my opinion
oj oj that's every fanbase
Kobe fans are worst
Steven nah fam his haters way worse he got more haters than fans
oj oj
that description belongs to Lebron "haters"
Lebron fans give 110% support > they "will not allow" haters OR anyone, to bully them .. PERIOD!
Jeanie = Hottest Owner ever.
Yea I agree with her and Ice Cube.
I agree
Yes she is.
Facts
This whole Kobe vs. Duncan convo is a joke. First off, I absolutely love Tim Duncan. But, Duncan had arguably the best coach of all time for his entire 19-year career, David Robinson was the best player on the squad for Duncan's 1st title, Kawhi won the Finals MVP in 2013-14 for his last title, he had Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili there for basically his entire career, not to mention guys like Bruce Bowen, Steve Kerr, Michael Finley, Aldridge for his last season and Danny Green who didn't miss a shot in the playoffs during that 2014 title run. Duncan only scored more than 20ppg once in his final 11-seasons. And I get that it's not all about points, but Kobe had eight coaches or something like that, dealt with countless serious injuries throughout his career (I believe he played almost the entire 2009-10 title season with a broken index finger on his shooting hand), and he was considered the best player in the league for at the very least 6-7 years from around 2003-2009, while in the discussion from 1999 until the year he tore his achilles. Kobe dealt with inconsistency and bad teams in his prime, while Duncan was in an ideal situation from start to finish. Not to mention that when the Lakers finally made a deal to get him help for a final run, the league vetoed it, and it resulted in Kobe being overworked and his body breaking down. After all that, they both ended up with 5-rings. Kobe was more unstoppable, more polarizing, and while everyone respects TD, anyone who played in and watched that era knows who owned it. It's a cute argument though by Mr. Wright.
You must forgot Pop almost got fired. He wasn't the best coach until he got Tim. Phil was great when he had Michael. so yea point invalid
First off: Pop's first full year with the Spurs as a HC was Duncan's rookie year and they won like 56-games. So what you mean he wasn't the "best coach until he got Tim?" Were you grading him when he was an assistant? But I will play along with your awful argument:
Bill Belichick got fired by the Browns in 1995, and then went on to be the most decorated Head Coach in NFL history. That's why the common saying in sports holds true "There are two types coaches in the pro-sports: Those who have been fired, and those who are going to be fired." Great coaches needs great players to win titles. It's just a fact. Phil had MJ, Pippen, Shaq and Kobe. Pop had the aforementioned. Kerr has Klay, Steph, KD and Draymond. Riley had the Showtime Lakers. Auerbach had Russel and Havlicek. Wooden had Kareem, Goodrich, Wilkes and Walton. Coach K has about 10000000 NBA dudes.
If you are going to sit there and say Pop isn't arguably the best coach of all time, then you just don't understand basketball. Or sports in general for that matter.
Duncan > Kobe cmon now, Kobe had a Shaq and Coach Phil
What a great argument.... NOT! Can't even really talk about this stuff with people who say stuff like that. So David Robinson wasn't on the Dream Team, or a 10x All-Star, MVP and 4x All-NBA teamer? He didn't help Duncan to that first title? Duncan didn't have Kawhi Leonard in that last title win where Kawhi won Finals MVP? Duncan didn't have two other Hall of Famers named Ginobili and Parker on the floor with him basically his entire career? Duncan didn't have a HOF coach with him his entire career? Your comment gets a big CHILD PLEASE...
Jimmy W. you’re speaking facts brother. That vetoed trade broke my heart. That never happened before and hasn’t happened since. Instead of CP3 in his prime we get an old Steve Nash with a bad back
Kobe > Duncan
Reasons?
1. 4-2 record head to head playoff series
2. Kobe statistically is better playing vs Duncan while Duncan's stats decline when playing vs Kobe.
3. They have the exact same True Shooting % for their careers despite Duncan taking much easier and closer shots to the rim.
4. Kobe also had more on the line; he had to validate his championships because his " rings " didn't count due to the lack of Finals MVP "
5. Duncan had the same coach for his entire career, same core players who didn't have egos, Shaq didn't want to share the spotlight and belittled Kobe which pushed him away.
6. Kobe won with much less talent.
Kobe had Shaq and Gasol.
Duncan had Robinson, Parker, Ginobli, Kawhi, Aldridge, Gasol etc. 2 players which were also Finals MVP on Duncan's later championships, Duncan wasn't even in the discussion for being better than Kobe until he won his 5th when Kawhi won finals mvp.
Lee B Duncan never played with Aldridge.
2nd tony Parker and and manu weren’t their for his first ring.
3rd Ginobli was last pick in draft and tony late first rounder. The whole league past on both that’s the lakers fault.
4th Kobe wasn’t the best player on his team his first 9years but Tim was his rookie year while the admiral was there
5th better teammate
How many rings does that great coach have without Timmy
Dominick Mgaza u tripping 2001 kobe was arguably the best avg 31 points in west playoffs let shaq stat pad vs the east finals and brainwash his haters
Shaq played all the best big men. Timmy and d Robinson. C Webb and divas. Sabonis Rasheed Wallace. Kg. Dirk. Kobe had 5”11 iverson on him and he couldn’t check him so Tyron lue had to. Shaq lead the team in scoring rebound and blocks before the finals and during the finals. Kobe led in steals. He also avg 5.8 ast to shaq 4.8 ast and shot the ball more times than shaq. Even tho shaq was better and avg more. Let’s not forget shaq took the Magic’s to finals in his second year then won 3 str8 finals mvp. Kobe wasn’t better he wished he was so he ran shaq outta town
Kobe wasn’t even the best two guard in those playoffs. Allen iverson was. And Vince carter had a better playoff then Kobe as well that year. Kobe was a monster but he wasn’t even on iverson level yet but he suppose to be better than shaq. Shaq also dominates the dpoy in them nba finals. Mutombo won dpoy that year. Get the facts right. Iverson my fav player I remember that year like it was uesterday
Kobe had Shaq and Phil
Kobe and Lebron never met 8n the finals cause Lebr69n kept chocking.
Mr Cruz let nick wright tell it. It was solely because the lakers got swept by the Mavericks and lost to the thunder in 2012.
But people fail to realize the peak of the Kobe vs Lebron finals desire was 2009/2010
You’re delusional
Kobe 6-15 against lebron
Mr Cruz lebron made the finals in 07 where was kobe then 🤔 lebron made the finals since 2011-18 where was kobe then
Brian Gore Kobe had a far superior team to LeBron's. Gasol and Bynum were all-stars and Lamar Odom was a top 6th man and player at his position. Odom alone would've been better than anybody LeBron played with in 2009/2010 not to mention a deep bench with excellent role players like Ariza, Fisher, Shannon Brown, Luke Walton, etc. Mo Williams was his 2nd best player. The same '08 Celtics team that LeBron took to 7 games and lost a closely fought shootout in the last seconds of game 7 on the road dismantled Kobe's Lakers in 6 games topped off with a 40 point blowout to send Kobe home.
Top #5 nba players All Time In Order...#1 Jordan, #2 Kareem, #3 Wilt, #4 Bird, #5 Kobe. BIG FACTS!!!!!
Love Ice Cubes opinion on basketball related topics . Always insightful and gives his honest two cents on things .
Duncan never played with players like prime shaq? Maybe but if guys like manu and tony parker and a coach like greg p dont equate to one shaq, then you trippin.
First ring Kobe avg 15ppg in finals
2nd ring iverson avg 35 and Kobe 23
And last kobe 29
Shaq avg 30ppg and better each one
And led team in rebounds and blocks
So what did kobe lead in steals or assists
Stop it shaq was the most dominate player to ever play
@@slickjustgotpaid9865 kobe was zazaed in game 1 by jalen rose, jalen even admitted to that, so he wasnt 100. And even not at 100 kobe rallied the team to a series clinching clinching win after shaq fouled out. For the love god, shaq and kobe do not win those titles without eachother. Stop trying to undermine eithers legacy
kob had phil jackson too
Nathan B Bruh you’re undermining Timmy tho. Kobe wasn’t that good the year they. beat the pacers including the fact Timmy got injured in the playoffs that year after winning the year before. Kobe wasn’t better then Tim because iverson was better than Kobe till 2004 than tmac till 2008. Nobody knew pop until Timmy. Ppl knew shaq and knew Phil. No one knew the last pick in the draft ginobli or tony Parker until he got with Eva Longoria. Timmy made the spurs franchise. Is Kobe even the best laker? That’s up for debate. Can’t debate with Timmy. Best pf ever
Dominick Mgaza ignore the west playoffs go look at them numbers. Why point out shaq feasting on trash big men?
Nick Wright, it’s because of people like you that a large percentage of Laker fans don’t want LeBron there..it’s not because of him or his play. It’s LeBron mega fans disguised as members of the media
All Nick does is look at stats. All Lebron James fans do is look at stats. Its delusional Laker/ Kobe fans that refuse to analyze stats and use logic.
Kobe Bryant fans don't want LeBron with Lakers
Those aren't real Lakers fans they are Kobetards
Kobe Bryant fans don't want to see Lakers win a championship because they have LeBron James
Real Lakers fans are happy to have LeBron James a superstar who will get them to playoffs which they haven't been in 5 seasons
True and false. As a Lakers fan I didn't and dont want him because of his play and age. He's ball dominant and can't play D anymore.
been a lakers fan since i was born and i didnt want lebron because of lebron. hes getting old, very ball dominant, plays little to no defense (though i have been seeing some effort in preseason well see how it goes), and i just absolutely vehemently hate that he goes up to the refs after every call with his palms up. thats just painful for me to see in a lakers jersey man
Facts
Kobe Bean Bryant all day
yep
George Harrison all day every day bro...
Hatersss
Always...Always brotha.
Nick Wright is a Kobe hater period.
Don’t be a Kobe hater but Tim always went to the playoffs and Tim has the best winning percentage in all sports period !!!
Kobe has defeated Tim Duncan more times in their playoff matchups. Actually swept the him in 2001. And beat him in 5 games in 2009. Kobe has lead the league in scoring twice. Has been first team all nba more times than Tim Duncan. Actually won back to back championships and won the 3 peat even before that. Timmy never won back to back championships. Kobe would close games in the 4th quarter while Timmy couldn’t close games in the 4th quarter. I got Kobe > Timmy. My top 5 would be Jordan, Kareem, Kobe, Magic, Tim Duncan. Lebron would be at 6. Because 3-6 mafia. Got swept in the finals twice. Started building super teams since 2010 and only has 3 rings. If Lebron was the goat he would have 8 rings considering the fact he’s played with superstars like Dwayne wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love.
Tim also swept Kobe in 99 the lockout year
I still think Kobe's better tho
Kobe,Timmy,Magic,Jordan never been swept in the finals..
@@Word2Wizzle85 so since it wasn't in the finals that made a difference? It's still a playoff game. And none of those guys u named quit on his team like Kobe did against the suns
Tre Roulhac I actually take that back magic got swept in 89 by Detroit I forgot bout that and how many times has Bron given up.? Oh ok..
Brixzus Jaeger ok that’s cool but
Tim Duncan : 2 mvps of the regular season, 3 time mvp of the finals, never missed the playoffs,better defender than Kobe (15 times all defensive),
There was no problem with LeBron coming too lakers. The problem was his fans and how disrespectful they get talking about Kobe
I am seriously tired of this media-created BS. This isn't about Kobe. It never was and it never will be. This is about LeBron, period. It's about the fact that nobody wants to play with him. It's about the fact that he is a Hoop Diva, and has never had a strong coach (Lue was actually the strongest) who would challenge him (which I am positive factored into his decision to come to LA). It's about the team put together around him, which includes four head cases and no real shooters. Jeannie Buss, who I respect, is totally wrong on this one. Lakers fan since 1965, and all I want is the best for the team.
bro stop speaking facts, someone will call you a hater.....People believe that if you fail with lebron it's your fault. They forget that the man is his own system in which others have to adapt
That may be YOUR policy, but it isn't mine. I didn't support Benoit Benjamin when he was here. I didn't support Kwame Brown either. It's not about "loyalty to anyone wearing the uniform." It's about loyalty to the team, the spirit of the team, the legacy of the team, and the success of the team. If someone comes in and they are NOT in line with any of that, then they aren't getting any support from me. We hang NOTHING but NBA championship banners. If it isn't about that, then kick rocks.
Spolestra was a strong coach. Mainly because he had Pat Riley backing him, but still.
Kin Crawford
I totally agree with all of that you said. Yes, LeBron James is a great player but in my opinion, he is about to wreck this young team because if they arent playing to fit his style, they will be trade bait for other players which could wreck chances to maybe getting Kawhi Leonard next summer. Magic and Pelinka should have went after Paul George instead and followed that up by going after Kawhi Leonard next summer. Those 2 good defenders to pair that with a offensive minded young team would have meshed perfectly. Still I think my Lakers finish with about 48-50 wins, as currently constructed.
Spolestra couldn't even install and maintain an offense. His rotations were whack, and he never overruled James. No strength there.
I hate the argument "kobe had shaq" its ridiculous if you watched them play they were a perfect duo not only did kobe have shaq but shaq had kobe they made each other better, I personally believe they were the best duo of all time..
So Magic and Kareem didn’t exist?
As a kobe fanatic I don’t hate lebron at all. I only hate that the media just forgets about kobe and pushes lebron ahead like kobe was Tracy McGrady or Vince carter.
Cris Carter’s laugh made me uncomfortable
Clippers move to Seattle, Vegas or back to San Diego
Kobe faced Tim Duncan at a similar time in their career (2008) just a bit over their prime. Duncan had parker and ginobli and players he’d played with for years. Kobe just got pau THAT YEAR, and RADMONIVIC was in our starting line up. Lakers won 4-1. Is this a conversation?
clown🤣🤣🤣
@@henryvenzon4929 u have no rebuttal. Just clown 😂 foh
@@NJRMendis i dont need to debate with you,you dont have knowledge about basketball,you are just a fanboy.
If Duncan did what he did with the Lakers, they would say he passed Jordan
Duncan has more regular season wins, a higher regular season winning percentage, more Playoff wins, a higher Playoff winning percentage, more Playoff series wins, more MVPs regular season, more finals MVPs than Kobe..... Y'all really want me to keep going?
Please do. I agree with you completely. Duncan did more to make the entire team better, so he was a better overall player.
So in that sense nick wright, tim duncan is better than lebron
He is! Lebron is 5/16 versus Duncan in the playoffs.
President of Laker Nation haha I love it, The Don Mega!!
Bill Bixby
And Raiders Nation
I'm glad I'm not the only one who sense the salt coming from Nick. 😂
Duncan played with David Robinson... then he played with Parker Ginobilli... Kobe after Shaq only played with Gasol and still went back to back !!! THATS HOW KOBE IS BETTER DUNCAN NEVER WENT BACK TO BACK IT WAS JUST SPREAD OUT RINGS !!! I WISH I CAN ARGUE KOBE WITH NICK WRONG
Brooklyn FINALLY A UNIQUE ANSWER!!!!!! NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT....AND IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE
Kobe didn't "have" Shaq he was 2nd fiddle to Shaq. And Duncan still took 2 rings FROM BOTH OF THEM.
Duncan was "second fiddle" to Parker in 07 as Parker won MVP and and was "second fiddle" to Kawhi the last ring.. And Kobe went BACK to BACK and 3peated with SHaq.. Duncan never smelled a bak to back let alone a 3peat.. Kobe was more dominant.. And went back to back with just a Gasol while Duncan had Parker Ginobilli Leonerd in the last years etc..
Plus Kobe is a Guard doing this Duncan was a big man in the era of Big Men
At least Tim Duncan won a championship the same year that he was the MVP. Kobe didn't do that. Shaq did though.
Ice cube a real one
cube is the man
Lebron is 5/16 vs Duncan in the playoffs. Nick Wright never mentions this.
Facts !!! Even tho there’s without context but Nick Wright doesn’t do context, only when it suits Lebron (who I love, but don’t go out my way to try and lower others down at an insane rate)
Duncan never played with a player that had better numbers than he did
Anjohn Davis * In his prime
Is Duncan responsible for the last ring?
The admiral?
Anjohn Davis Duncan played with more hall of famers than Kobe lol
4eightyvolt no Duncan had better number than Robinson since his rookie year
6:01..were gonn ignore that cube said “they fd up the staples center”😂
This is THE BEST interview Cube has EVER done....
Duncan made Kobe cry in 03 enough said! Lol
and 99
Kobe>Lebron>Duncan
Kobe ain't better than bron but good list
BitchThekidd no disrespect but people don’t mention how Kobe had to carry the Lakers to the playoffs against the Phoenix suns also Kobe having 2 of the worst players on the team(smoosh Parker and kwame brown) and taking them to game 7 in the playoffs. And if I remember when LeBron got his 3 championships he had players like Dwayne wade ,Ray Allen, Kevin love, Chris bosh, and Kylie Irving. So yes Kobe is better than LeBron
Son Goku amen brother! The clown above your comment knows nothing!
Jordan > LeBron > Duncan > Kobe
Yes.
4-2 Kobe 01-02-04-08 Duncan 99-03
Duncan put up a better fight in 02 than Kobe & Shaq w/ no all star players on his side
@@N8veJay ok… and Kobe destroyed duncan in 2001 and 2008
I think choosing Tim Duncan over Kobe is beyond insulting and just hatred.
Or its intelligence. Duncan was in the hunt every single year, no matter the players he had with him. Kobe had to have certain players with certain skillsets. Timmy could mold and be whatever was needed in order to win. Honestly it really isn't even close. Substance over style. This isn't a diss to kobe, Kobe is one of the all-time greats. But, if you are honest, you choose timmy over any player ever if you are drafting a team and get that player for their career.
the problem is that you delusional folks think 3 is > 5... LEBrick somehow MAGICALLY PASSED kobe AND MJ...
Depends...the NBA is more guard oriented so I’ll take Kobe. A big mans game I’ll take Timmy
Kobe couldn't pass magic tho huh I'll take Kobe and Shaq before Kareem and Magic
All day cuz Kobe 3 point game was before his time Kobe was a work horse
00 Kobe & Shaq > 81 Kareem & Magic (when both are near or at their peaks...)
Kobe way better then Duncan not even close
Tim Duncan also has more wins. Tim Duncan averaged 50 wins a season his whole career.
Warren Mazengwe I bet he did with his consistent team. Popovich
won 48 games last year no Kawhi meaning its pop more than Duncan
I'm not going to be nitpicky about a team game because then you can pick things apart about every athletes accomplishments that he got that has to do with their team.
Its the same argument in how people want to take credit away from Tom Brady just because the Patriots won some games without him. I'm not here to argue about that.
Ballin Too - LaMarcus Aldridge is no scrub now. He isn't as good as Duncan was but he isn't garbage either. Popovich should be able to win 48 games being able to coach him.
I’m just pointing this out Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant played two different positions, in the same era basketball. You can’t compare them, both put up amazing numbers for there positions!
As much as I don't agree with Nick Wright on a lot of things, it isn't hating to take Tim Duncan over Kobe Bryant..... It's called personal preference...... I take Tim over Kobe but I still recognize his greatness, Tim Duncan has been slandered his whole career just because he isn't flashy and people don't like to watch him play, yeah he was boring but that doesn't mean he isn't the greatest power forward of all time, he was still getting the job done, I take him over Kobe, I still love Kobe though, he's a legend
Duncan the man stop the nonsense he shouldve had 6 rings fukn popovich took duncan out the final play smh
Duncan great player but not even top 10 alltime player
@@joshuahaynes7128 He is 100 percent a top 10 player
That's a joke. Tim Duncan is a legend. Almost got six rings. They only finals loss I BELIEVE. Not sure tho. At end of day Duncan should be higher up on all time list OVER Kobe. But we favor guards vs forwards unless u LeBron
@@joshuahaynes7128 this guy doesn't know basketball how can u be the best ever at your position n not be top 10. Duncan way over kobe
Joshua Haynes tell me 10 players better than team Duncan
I don't think that guy with huge nose likes Kobe very much.
His name is Nick wright haa
Kobe was better
Duncan better player than Kobe
+H Town Boy Invalid !
Kobe the goat
emmanuel figueroa jr
Michael's the goat
Not Kobe
@@emmanuelfigueroajr2167 Kobe is not top 10
The hate of Nick Wrong towards Kobe is just pure hate man...We love to watch NBA basketball game Nick Wrong. We are not interested in the stats. You can watch the numbers change on the stat sheets but we want to watch all players perform and make us more love the watch basketball. We know who really are the best players.
Kobe won his 5 rings from 2000-2010, Duncan won his first in ‘99 and his last in ‘14, the 2000’s are Kobe’s era and there’s really no debate
Cube doesn't respect character. Duncan and Spurs embody it. Always pick Duncan.
"The clippers were the only LA team in the playoffs"
Ya Nick....because they receinded our CP3 trade......
I’ll take Tim Duncan over Lebron if I’m building a team😏
Why? What does he do better?
Paco The friendly Taco better post game better defender better rebounder.
lebron unintentionally makes players worse look at how george hill turned out
Why
Rex Drake stop he is great don’t lie and I’m a kobe Stan
Tim Duncan was the best player on 5 championship teams. Forget about Kawhi and Parker's finals MVPs. Yes they deserved the awards, but in both cases Duncan was the best player on team team if you look at the playoffs as a whole (they don't REACH the finals without Duncan). Kobe was the best player on only 2 championship teams. Duncan in 2003 won with the worst supporting cast in history. Manu was a rookie, parker was in his 2nd year and Robinson was on his last leg about to retire. None of Duncan's teammates made the all-star game or an all-nba team that year.
Don’t ever question Ice Cube on Los Angeles fandom. He’s the King.
Nick Wright and his numbers is so annoying. Duncan is not bringing the ball up the court, breaking down a defender and creating his own shot. Geezus Krise that's an easy one.
8:39 That is what you & me was here for...
I don't think Laker fans think Lebron is a "threat." I think some people may not want him there because of the banter between FANS about who's better and people like Nick Wright who go completely off the rails. And to be honest, some people don't want Lebron simply because his attitude on the court is the opposite of Kobe's. Lebron has a history of not showing up(I don't care about stats, I WATCH THE GAME)or quitting and fans have been using that against Lebron's fans for YEARS.
If you shoot something into the trash , you say kobe for a reason . Kobe 100% you heard duke .
It's like comparing apples to bricks. The two played different positions. As a Tim Duncan fan, I TOTALLY understand Ice Cube's decision to have Kobe on his team. If I had to choose between Bird and another player, it's Bird all day. The intensity and competitiveness that Bird played with were incredible. So, I totally understand Cube's point (even thought I LOVE Tim more).
I didn't know Tom Green was such a Tim Duncan fan
Legend Ice Cube
I feel like a triple double wasn’t a thing till Cube said it in “it was a good day” .
Nocturnal Ron well u should feel dumb too
Lol that's a joke!!
Cube learned triple doubles from the players and games!!
Remember Until Westbrook did it,everyone still knew about OSCAR ROBERTSON averaging a triple double in the 1960s!!!
He was considered the Best shooting guard ever until Jordan and Kobe came along!!
Cube knew it was a lot of hate in the league for Kobe. He put everything in perspective. Building any NBA team I would definitely choose Kobe over Duncan. The fact is the Spurs always had a great starting line up. Let's not forget about the Twin Towers. Thanks Cube and whenever you don't use you LAKER season pass tickets I will be more than happen to take them off your hands. Lol ✔ (LAKER4LIFE)
Nick is saying that they are angry because LeBron James joined the Lakers he hates Kobe Bryant. This guy is the one that said that Kobe Bryant does not belong in the LeBron James conversation. What does that say about this person a heater
Tim Duncan vs Kobe? Idk. Both are great players
Kobe beat Duncan in 2008 without Shaq! If Duncan is better than Kobe, why did he get the gentleman sweep?!?! 4-1 Kobe> Duncan
I like how the liberal sports media has no problem putting possibly the best top 3 players on one team ,lebron, kd,Leonard just to beat the splash brothers and donkey Draymond 🤣😂 pathetic all for queen james
Agreed
I agree but put some respeck on my favorite player these days Draymond
Warriors are all liberals too tho
kd
Kawhi nowhere near the conversation for top 3...
Laker fan here for FIFTY YEARS. Here's the deal. I have never cheered for Larry Bird, Isaiah Thomas or LeBron James. NEVER. And I'm the Kobe side of who's the greater player - Kobe or LeBron. I can't stand Nick Wright or LeShannon Sharpe. They make me sick! So for LeBron to be a Laker, it is very weird and difficult to turn off the hate switch. Cube is right about one thing. Kobe's legacy is in cement.
6:20 "Take'em to Seattle" SAVAGE Ice Cube
He 100% correct though. The Clippers will NEVER be LA's team. And Seattle could really use a new ball club after losing the Sonics.
Tim Duncan all day
Yoooo did he just drop an F bomb ahahahaha @ 6:01
Funked up
close your mouth and open your ears
NEW YORK right lol
NEW YORK but my left ear heard it 😂😂😂
Kenneth Clemente
there "lies" the problem
yall always hearing wrong (pun intended)
I agree with ice cube, abt Kobe being better but man was his argument for Kobe being better trash
Brandon Reid
that's because he never said he was better .. smh!
When ice cube said! " I'm already into movies and music behind the scene. When it comes to NBA and NFL. I like to be a fan just like the guy in row 12" that's real!
Lebron era messed with younger nba viewers Kobe was a beast
Kobe and Duncan were both great in their own ways. Duncan is the guy that coaches tell their players to be like. But sports is still entertainment. Kobe was a box office draw. Half the fans loved him. The other half hated him. But everyone wanted to see him.
BlueWave I feel bad that TD never got that spotlight, it’s not about being flashy, it’s about getting the wins, buckets, being the best player you are and 🏆accolades
Nick Wright is a clown.
Duncan better player than Kobe hold that L
Jordan > Duncan > Kobe
+Kevin Durant Da Goat. Invalid bro !
Kevin Garnett is so underrated it's crazy smh tim Duncan vs kg in they prime yrs kg was way better better shooter a more versatile Defender all around better TD is great but he benefited from having a great coach and teammates around his whole career while Kevin Garnett wasted his best years in Minnesota
Black Shades Johnny Cage Great point! KG was incredible!
I wouldn't take KG over Karl Malone, much less Duncan.
KG was overrated. Duncan all day
@@straightlead8 my man come on if u watch basketball u shouldn't had made that comment. Kevin Garnett was the first plate in 20 years to come out of high school carried a team for 12 years by himself versus Tim Duncan having the greatest coach of all time on his team he was drafted and David Robinson was on his team not to mention letter getting Tony Parker and Ginobili Tim Duncan is great but farts individual Talent Kevin Garnett was a better jump shooter a better free-throw shooter and more versatile Defender and that's just a fact Tim Duncan longevity was better than Kevin Garnett Prime vs Prime Kevin Garnett was better bro. You got to think you carry the team just like how LeBron did
@@bionicprince people get so caught up in rings they don't really pay attention to the individual Talent I'm not saying Tim Duncan was not great I'm just saying individually Kevin Garnett was a better talent to him Tim Duncan benefit from having a better team around him so of course he's going to be looked at as the better player
Duncan was the best player 3 times, not 4. Wtf Nick lol. You forgetting who won the fmvp in 2007?
No Laker segment is complete until Nick “Toucan Sam” Wright starts bashing on Kobe