This may not be canon, but this is a wonderful theory that many fans still hold in their hearts post-release. You can find art and fanfics online-some romantic or just friendship, but it's all sad. We're all Sonic fans. So let's not bully and degrade others for making fanart, stories, or OCs surrounding this theory. Or interpreting Infinite and the Avatar's past as romance or friendship. Sonic himself wouldn't do that--he was supportive, kind, and loyal to the custom character throughout the game . Let's embrace our difference and hear our different theories. We need to spread more positivity, love, and acceptance in this fandom.
"this is a wonderful theory that many fans still hold in their hearts post-release." I like to headcanon this and the "Scars" fan comic instead of the canon story. They are just so much more involving and interesting while also leaving behind a good ending for a character I was very excited for.
Something I noticed in the lyrics of infinite song is this. I am the tallest of mountains - Zavok I am the roughest of waves - Chaos I am the toughest of terrors - Metal Sonic I am the darkest of days - Shadow Is this big information for you or not. I have not seen anyone else who noticed this as well yet
god damn that makes a lot of sense except for the fact that metal sonic is three of them metal turns in to a giant metal dragon making him the tallest of mountains and brings some the darkest moments in sonic history being the darkest of days
@@comradethegreat3599 or worse, a world where 06 did so well that Elise is shown kissing sonic at least in basically every game. Like, congratulations, they all have good plots, but Elise might be ducking sonic over there... and you still remember our 06 mind you.
I really wish this was the actual backstory for infinite - it'll make the OC character make sense storywise (and not just as a gimmick), and would make a much better (and needed) character development for both the OC and infinite.
Well to those who may have seen the leaks for the game, like myself, as to not build up your expectations; I can say with candor that not everything is as I'd hoped it would be in the story of Sonic Forces 😭 But honestly, that was to be expected. But, that is unfortunately the risk one runs when developing a "predictions" or "theory" video prior to a game's release. However I don't regret it one bit and I'm still really proud to have developed this video and shared the experience with all of you! For many of us, "comprehensive story and character development" is something we've learned not to associate with "Sonic The Hedgehog" in recent years, the finest hours for the story left long ago with games like the Adventure series, Unleashed, Black Knight and heck, even Shadow The Hedgehog or Sonic 06 - in terms of genuine character development. (fite me) It's a shame that we may never see a Sonic story reach a level of intricacy as chronicled here, and when someone like me, a mere Sonic-fan can come up with something that causes more hype and intrigue than the actual writers with some 23 years worth of writing experience beneath their belts... that's a problem. 😟 Nonetheless, thank you all for being so accepting of this theory and the tangled web of story I weaved from just an odd thought one night, you're all freakin' awesome and your support means everything! Sega Scourge, out!
Well, at least it seems fun, but don'tcha worry Scourge, the video Was and Is awesome! =) never lose hope, we may still have a Story-Rich Sonic game yet, but well, lets see if SF will have DLC eh?
Yeah, not gonna lie, this sounded a lot better than the final result. A corrupted, brainwashed friend is exactly the kind of saturday morning cartoon nonsense that sega would do, but they stood with something else and left a lot more questions as a result.
I know what he looks like, its in a shadow comic in a gang that tried to defeat dr eggman but shadow you know defeated them and infinite decided to join so he became that but his eyes were blue and yellow AND NO THIS IS NOT A THEROY ITS IN A SHAWDOW COMIC, INFINITE USED TO BE GOOD
"You live a lie thats the difference between you and me, i have the power let me show you what its all about" More eluding to the fact infinite knows hes in a game
Sonic Forces has the potential to have a REALLY good story. If this is true (especially The Tragic Villain one) then this would without a doubt be one of the best stories in a Sonic Game.
What a shame, all of the internet created lore was infinte-ly better than what the game provided! (Did you like that? What I did there! You liked it! YES! Thank you! I'm here all week people!)
Technically the Phantom Ruby can send object to other Time Periods. After Press Garden Zone in Sonic Mania, Eggman uses the Phantom Ruby to send Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles to Stardust Speedway. Not just Stardust Speedway, but Stardust Speedway PAST.
Nah, definitely the past. It's green and filled with plant life, just like the OG Past, and the transition from Act 1 to Act 2 has Sonic and/or Tails (or Knuckles) travelling to the future to a golden roadway like the OG Present
Don't worry. You are not the only person to think that mind control would be the most boring thing ever. I hope the villains are fighting on the side of enemy for their own reasons that boosts their character.
Infinite being controlled by the phantom ruby and forced to fight his best friend is definitely better than "I am not weak !" thing. Even if it was executed better , I would still prefer segascourge's theory...
@@blackbluealexv2 well the best friend part is out but he still is being controlled at the end when you heat him one last time he says wait I can still fight I was forced away by the ruby that's then when you fight egg man
Recent info: In the Japanese story trailer, Eggman is seen creating Infinite. Maybe Eggman captures the OC'S best friend and uses him as a lab rat? Anyone agree?
well,at first me,but,maybe infinite is only giving eggman some power to.....power up another weapon?ok i know i'm stupid but i need to see you countering this.of course it would be easy.but srsly,why would eggman give infinite ONE eye?
Hey scourge/everyone I have a theory about the connection between shadow and infinite... My theory is that shadow is a android version of the original shadow and that infinite is the real shadow that eggman found after sa2 and used the phantom ruby to rewrite his memory and physical form forcing him to want revenge against sonic and bringing back Maria from sa2. If you look at the song lyrics you can see why I might believe this and quote only scars remain of who I was. Reason 1. Look at where the ruby is placed that's right shadows chest puff. 2. Look at the messed up quills they look like a old mutated version of shadows quills. 3. There are similarities between shadows inhibitor rings and the lump under infinites gloves. 4. Infinite and is so edge Please don't shit on this theory as it is just that a theory and I made this up on the spot. I hope this got you thinking thanks for reading this. Also the reason I think shadow joined him has because infinite said he can make him a real hedgehog and or bring back Maria.
I have an idea of how the Phantom Ruby gained sentience. It's an inanimate object throughout the game but at the end, before it sucks Sonic and itself through a portal, we see it shine and have a glitchy aura. I think the power of the Chaos Emeralds surrounding it gave it sentience, and such it was able to separate them from Sonic. It then used its reality warping powers to create a suitable body, modeled after the one who defeated it.
For kicking his ass *and* killing all of his squad members *and* tarnishing his reputation *overnight* by *one* hedgehog. That's actually a lot to take in. Infinite doesn't really focus his entire motivation towards Shadow. If that was the case, he would settle the score one-on-one with him instead of Sonic and the rest of the resistance. Infinite had ambition, and his ambition was only fueled more after seeing Shadow's power.
@@emargaux okay, but where was it shown shadow killed them? And sure, shadow kicked his ass, but it's shadow, everyone knows that's like fighting sonic, but morally grey, so how would that ruin a reputation outside siding with eggman, which isn't really anyone but his own fault. What you're saying needed to be shown, as that would have made him interesting, but instead, his character arc is explained in 1 level of a dlc, and mostly revolves around his ass being beat, which takes roughly 5 minutes.
that perspective thing about reality warping by Infinite & the Phantom Ruby... that fits so well with what Tails said about being part of the illusion near the end of Forces
I gotta say its really damn accurate how you got these drawings of an unmasked infinite at the time before the game's release and the release of the comic showing his origin too. It does look exactly how he does in the comics
to aid you in your theory here one of the line infinite says is "I remember you from somewhere" as if his friend is acutely trying to fight it but soon the crystal took full control again and changed to as if the crystal was speaking to your oc from the start
Hey something I noticed in the game is that infinite had to make a copy of metal sonic and sonic said why didnt eggman made more of them robots. So this means the sonic scourge's theory of metal sonic being actually sonic, on his theory he said that metal sonic could have been sonic before eggman converting him into metal sonic, so this means metal sonic does have a soul meaning metal sonic may and could actually be sonic but roboticised.
The first time I saw the trailer, I noticed there seemed to be a connection between the custom character and infinite. I always felt Infinite's role was in somehow shape or form designed to support the custom character and give him a story. This was before Sonic Mania and that red stone was introduced.
SUCH a good theory!!!!! Oh man I loved it. It was great. Awesome. You have a great camera and radio presence - add that to you're brilliantly thought out theories and it's a win-win. The best possible combination. Sega should hire you to story write their games so that there's a deep and meaningful connection in all of them!
The Sega Scourge - 【The Sonic Theorist】 ^_^ ;) well at least you can take pride in knowing your fans love your content and that you bring something new and interesting to the community =)
"This mysterious villain has been the Hot Topic..." I see what you did there Edit: Okay, now that I've finished actually watching the video, this theory has made me even MORE hyped about Forces. This may only be a theory, but this theory has SO MUCH EVIDENCE BACKING IT UP THAT I CAN'T HELP BUT ACTUALLY AGREE WITH IT!! The only problem NOW is...Classic Sonic will probably be the even MORE of an outlier in the story as a result. Oh God, please don't tell me Classic Sonic is going to just be the comic relief...
Keelan Barron Nah, Knuckles seems to be pretty serious right now(as pretty much every other Modern character), so it could very well be that Classic Sonic in Forces is, sadly, just comic relief. I really hope not, though.
I doubt that Classic will be the comic relief character since he's pretty much on board with saving the universe stuff, Sonic may be the type of person that can be joking around sometimes but even he knows when shit gets serious that can threaten everything around him. He'll probably mess with Eggman probably (Cause that's what he does) but at his most serious is with Infinite.
I don't think he will be. There has to be an explanation as to why he was brought to Modern Sonic's world. I mean, the Phantom Ruby clearly made the decision to take Classic Sonic with it into the portal. If it was able to seperate the Chaos Emeralds from CS, why wouldn't it just shoo him away as well? Especially since it should've been able to see that CS was a clear threat to it. This game has been in development for four years, and with all these little small hints and secret meanings, the story must be pretty big in some way. I can't wait to see what will happen in this game.
I hope not! If anything, Classic now has more reason than Modern Sonic to be trying to bring Infinite down! After all, he's ran into the Phantom Ruby already!
I still come back to this video, this theory is so good. This story gives Infinite DEPTH. It gives the avatar CHARACTER instead of being some random person that can be swapped out for anyone and purpose instead of being just there and it leaves enough room for the player to insert a personality. It also makes the main villian not some whiny edgelord but the TRUE villian being an inter dimensional eldrich being. Imagine how much better the final boss could have been. Imagine Infinite, tearing out the ruby from his chest, being freed and reunited with the Avatar, only for an eldrich being to form, the phantom ruby’s true form. The avatar and Infinite would work together to defeat it. The being that took away Infinite’s self and forced him to destroy everything. The boss would have all kinds of crazy reality bending tricks and fist bump would be playing as you fight him. It would make the song so much cooler and more meaningful as it would represent two long time friends banding together to defeat the demon that tore them apart and controlled them, in Infinite’s case, instead of two people who’ve known eachother for a week at most. If you could combine it with Infinite’s theme and call it Infinity Fist or something. Just thought it would be vastly better.
Now that the game is out. Time for another explanation. Infinite is created by eggman and is used as a task force. as Shadow infiltrates the doctors facility, Infinites squadron fails to end shadow and maked Infinite do the work, but is badly overpowered by Shadow. So in Infinites rage he creates his mask and finds the Phantom ruby, knowing of yhe power surge it gives off he takes a shard of it for himself and creates a copy of it. Now as Scourge sayd, Shadow is on team dark (not quite) Infinite does not posses mind control. Infinite has the abillity to copy and re program his own army out of what he was programed by Eggman to know. which is all of sonics past. Thats how he created the copies of all of sonics ex foes. As seen later on in the game, Shadow fights infinites clone of Shadow. Silver the hedgehog takes on infinite and puts up a fairly good fight, as does shadow. Sonic does not because Sonics speed is no match for Infinites abillity to bed reality. Silver and Shadow can manipulate abilities stronger than Sonic. thats why at a time they were all rivals.
Man, coming back to this video after having played Forces just makes me angry now, cuz as many have said already, this would have been way better than what we actually got. I feel like there was so much wasted potential with Infinite.
Supershadowman2001 so we got one complete Masterpiece of a game in Sonic Mania and now we got a really good Masterpiece of the game and terms of story with Sonic forces.... Yeah I'd say Sonic is back
Your'e right because infinite is a host. He is being controlled by the phantom gem in his chest.one of the meaning of the song is he can't resist or stop the ruby from taking over his mind
Hey Scrouge u missed a lyric from infinite's theme "This is an illusion, open up your eyes and..." could that help with your theory with him being self aware and stuff?
I love infinite ❤️ I just think he is such an amazing enemy, I’m not that much of a sonic fan but when I first saw infinite I was so intrigued by him that eventually became a sonic fan
"We are, the Eggman Gems, we'll always ruin the day, and if you think we can't, we'll do it anyways, that is why this world fears...Shadow, Chaos Zavok, and Metal Sonic and Infinite..."
This makes so much sense!! The first time you fight Infinite, he doesn't go all out like he did while fighting Sonic for the first time. And when the fight is over, he let's you go! That makes so much sense!!
Sonic Forces pays a homage to the culture of Sonic OCs by introducing the Custom Character option. Parallelling with you awesome theory, Infinite would be a Custom Villain, his design being so filled with visual discrepancy and it may be a reflection of the desire of a fan, who wants so hard to be in the game, to control the story, and so on. Anyway, just theorizing...
Well, Infinite's Phantom Ruby uses illusions like when he tried to drop the sun into the planet. However, according to Tails, when the illusions are in motion, they are real. Also, they respond to certain emotions. Meaning that maybe this original Phantom Ruby was a template for the new rubies that he made.
becouse they scraped infentes entire story last moment. They created episode shadow after the fact. As they ran out of time and had to explain it away. I have a theory that is the reason. the screen shot of infente in the glitch matrix is not used anywhere in game. As im assumeing that was supose to be the final battle. Likely takeing place after the avatar uses the ruby to destroy the false sun. another theory is in the scraped story-line he was suppose to be the avatar from a reality created when he picked up the phantom ruby. This was likely going to be reveled after said false sun level and boss fight. The "prototypes" where not suppose to have exited and where tacked on last moment as well.
Come back Sonic Theorist. i miss this mind-blown sections, even if the theorist turns out to be good or bad. Now with Sonic Frontiers, you could make some good content
The Sega Scourge - 【The Sonic Theorist】 Yea I know lol. But the thing is, not everyone has gotten the good ending yet. And some don't even get the chance to get the rest of the Chaos Emeralds because of school (cough cough me cough)
Norlight hahaha yeah! I didnt have idea this would happen. I am a true fan about Infinite pfff Scourge noticed me cause, I follow his channel and I like his theories
Theory: Infinite is a fucking wisp using the Phantom Ruby. (EDIT): Wow I never received this much likes before that's a surprise anyway besides that now that forces is out I kinda wish infinite was a wisp all this Squad Jackal shit is ehhh good thing I didn't get the game though somewhat happy it's not a wisp that shit is boring wisp be overused you can clearly see that when they have "Wispons" but yeah that's just my opinion cy(k)a.
I've already seen all the cutscenes, I'm not gonna spoil anything but I will say this. This would have been a better story
Sonic Hoodie true
Same
I agree, it would have been a good story but no, sega had to bring out a revenge story
Please anything would have been better than I AM WEAK
This may not be canon, but this is a wonderful theory that many fans still hold in their hearts post-release. You can find art and fanfics online-some romantic or just friendship, but it's all sad.
We're all Sonic fans. So let's not bully and degrade others for making fanart, stories, or OCs surrounding this theory. Or interpreting Infinite and the Avatar's past as romance or friendship. Sonic himself wouldn't do that--he was supportive, kind, and loyal to the custom character throughout the game
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Let's embrace our difference and hear our different theories. We need to spread more positivity, love, and acceptance in this fandom.
This
Sonic fans like you make me feel a lot better about being a Sonic fan, our fandom can be dangerously toxic most of the time.
"this is a wonderful theory that many fans still hold in their hearts post-release."
I like to headcanon this and the "Scars" fan comic instead of the canon story. They are just so much more involving and interesting while also leaving behind a good ending for a character I was very excited for.
tekina fiction indeed😇
People like you are why I still stick around in the Sonic fandom. :)
Something I noticed in the lyrics of infinite song is this.
I am the tallest of mountains - Zavok
I am the roughest of waves - Chaos
I am the toughest of terrors - Metal Sonic
I am the darkest of days - Shadow
Is this big information for you or not. I have not seen anyone else who noticed this as well yet
Cameron Reitmaier hell ye boi
god damn that makes a lot of sense except for the fact that metal sonic is three of them metal turns in to a giant metal dragon making him the tallest of mountains and brings some the darkest moments in sonic history being the darkest of days
Wait, how can you inferring the meaning of the firts lyrics referring to the zavok character?
Well you just made a better plot than Sega had in game.
Thank you x'DD
@@segascourge l Like Infinite 👍🏼 Is lattle okay
If I had the Phantom Ruby, I'd change dimensions to where Sonic Forces has this plot
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But what if that dimension doesn't have Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces has as much bugs as 06?
@@comradethegreat3599 BURN IT
@@comradethegreat3599 or worse, a world where 06 did so well that Elise is shown kissing sonic at least in basically every game. Like, congratulations, they all have good plots, but Elise might be ducking sonic over there... and you still remember our 06 mind you.
Me: own the world
19:05 No. it's not Friendship...
ITS THE POWER OF TEAM WORK
*W E ' R E G O N N A S H O W T H E M T H E R EA L S U P E R P O W E R O F T E A M W O R K !*
SONIC HEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES (Sonic Heroooes!)
Yeah
FamerGame team work makes the dream work
**insert wisp form here for custom hero**
I really wish this was the actual backstory for infinite - it'll make the OC character make sense storywise (and not just as a gimmick), and would make a much better (and needed) character development for both the OC and infinite.
I so much agree with you
Well to those who may have seen the leaks for the game, like myself, as to not build up your expectations; I can say with candor that not everything is as I'd hoped it would be in the story of Sonic Forces 😭 But honestly, that was to be expected.
But, that is unfortunately the risk one runs when developing a "predictions" or "theory" video prior to a game's release. However I don't regret it one bit and I'm still really proud to have developed this video and shared the experience with all of you!
For many of us, "comprehensive story and character development" is something we've learned not to associate with "Sonic The Hedgehog" in recent years, the finest hours for the story left long ago with games like the Adventure series, Unleashed, Black Knight and heck, even Shadow The Hedgehog or Sonic 06 - in terms of genuine character development. (fite me)
It's a shame that we may never see a Sonic story reach a level of intricacy as chronicled here, and when someone like me, a mere Sonic-fan can come up with something that causes more hype and intrigue than the actual writers with some 23 years worth of writing experience beneath their belts... that's a problem. 😟
Nonetheless, thank you all for being so accepting of this theory and the tangled web of story I weaved from just an odd thought one night, you're all freakin' awesome and your support means everything!
Sega Scourge, out!
Well, at least it seems fun, but don'tcha worry Scourge, the video Was and Is awesome!
=) never lose hope, we may still have a Story-Rich Sonic game yet, but well, lets see if SF will have DLC eh?
Yeah, not gonna lie, this sounded a lot better than the final result. A corrupted, brainwashed friend is exactly the kind of saturday morning cartoon nonsense that sega would do, but they stood with something else and left a lot more questions as a result.
I know what he looks like, its in a shadow comic in a gang that tried to defeat dr eggman but shadow you know defeated them and infinite decided to join so he became that but his eyes were blue and yellow AND NO THIS IS NOT A THEROY ITS IN A SHAWDOW COMIC, INFINITE USED TO BE GOOD
It... never said if he was a GOOD mercenary, he looked quite evil, well... waiting for more in the next game
Ew, you watched the leaks. :/
This is LIGHTYEARS better than what actually ended up being the story.
i'm not WEAK
Light years measure distance
@@orphicurania3295 🤓
"You live a lie thats the difference between you and me, i have the power let me show you what its all about"
More eluding to the fact infinite knows hes in a game
deodorANT it's "I never end and that's the difference in you and me"
THIS IS AN ILLUSION
Sonic Forces has the potential to have a REALLY good story.
If this is true (especially The Tragic Villain one) then this would without a doubt be one of the best stories in a Sonic Game.
And SEGA did say Sonic Forces is a more darker story then the recent games.
Ron Gamer yes it is, but it has remember that a lot of kids play sonic games
Neik The Fantasy kids need to learn....not everything has a happy ending.sonic included.
That grammar, my God!
resent is an entirely different word.
Really, anything is darker than the story in Sonic's recent games. I'm hoping it's about the same level as the Adventure series and 06.
If you listen to the lyrics after The Pain persists it says "but that's what it takes to be Infinite" which makes things a lot more clearer
What a shame, all of the internet created lore was infinte-ly better than what the game provided!
(Did you like that? What I did there! You liked it! YES! Thank you! I'm here all week people!)
I thought it was funny
That joke was SANS sational
Infinite : Are you calling ME WEAK???? I am NOT WEAK!!!!
Boo!!!
All Weak
Technically the Phantom Ruby can send object to other Time Periods.
After Press Garden Zone in Sonic Mania, Eggman uses the Phantom Ruby to send Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles to Stardust Speedway.
Not just Stardust Speedway, but Stardust Speedway PAST.
Not the past,the capsules with flowers are still there its just the stardust speedway of the present
Nah, definitely the past.
It's green and filled with plant life, just like the OG Past, and the transition from Act 1 to Act 2 has Sonic and/or Tails (or Knuckles) travelling to the future to a golden roadway like the OG Present
Don't worry. You are not the only person to think that mind control would be the most boring thing ever. I hope the villains are fighting on the side of enemy for their own reasons that boosts their character.
I completely agree. 🙂
Mind control is a boring reason for the bad guys to be working with Eggman I agree with you
Well now Sonic Forces' cutscenes are up.
After watching them, it makes me wish this theory was true for various reasons...
Infinite being controlled by the phantom ruby and forced to fight his best friend is definitely better than "I am not weak !" thing. Even if it was executed better , I would still prefer segascourge's theory...
@@blackbluealexv2 well the best friend part is out but he still is being controlled at the end when you heat him one last time he says wait I can still fight I was forced away by the ruby that's then when you fight egg man
This theory for infanite's backstory is better than the in game backstory
I love the theme for Infinite but one line caught me. "I was born in this pain, it only hurts if you let it." That is a very odd part
"Nobody cared who I was before I put on the mask."
Also, what's his opening music called?
Joey McMahan Infinite.
I like how in the final boss the timer is inconsistent, because of the ruby.
Forgot the old comment, what happens now happens.
*I AM NOT WEEEAAAAAAK*
*REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*
So true
Special 06 WHY ISN'T THE SEGA SCURGE TH WRITER OF SONIC FORCES....
Nah you’re wrong buddy. Play the game and shadows story then you’ll find that this theory is very accurate
IM N-NOT WEAK!!
I AM NOT WEEEEEEAAAAAAAAK
Recent info: In the Japanese story trailer, Eggman is seen creating Infinite. Maybe Eggman captures the OC'S best friend and uses him as a lab rat? Anyone agree?
well,at first me,but,maybe infinite is only giving eggman some power to.....power up another weapon?ok i know i'm stupid but i need to see you countering this.of course it would be easy.but srsly,why would eggman give infinite ONE eye?
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Hey scourge/everyone I have a theory about the connection between shadow and infinite...
My theory is that shadow is a android version of the original shadow and that infinite is the real shadow that eggman found after sa2 and used the phantom ruby to rewrite his memory and physical form forcing him to want revenge against sonic and bringing back Maria from sa2.
If you look at the song lyrics you can see why I might believe this and quote only scars remain of who I was.
Reason 1. Look at where the ruby is placed that's right shadows chest puff.
2. Look at the messed up quills they look like a old mutated version of shadows quills.
3. There are similarities between shadows inhibitor rings and the lump under infinites gloves.
4. Infinite and is so edge
Please don't shit on this theory as it is just that a theory and I made this up on the spot.
I hope this got you thinking thanks for reading this.
Also the reason I think shadow joined him has because infinite said he can make him a real hedgehog and or bring back Maria.
That is actually really good! You deserve to be pinned!
I have an idea of how the Phantom Ruby gained sentience. It's an inanimate object throughout the game but at the end, before it sucks Sonic and itself through a portal, we see it shine and have a glitchy aura. I think the power of the Chaos Emeralds surrounding it gave it sentience, and such it was able to separate them from Sonic. It then used its reality warping powers to create a suitable body, modeled after the one who defeated it.
Dude so much makes sense here. You just opened my eyes lol
Great theory dude.Just hope it's true since it really seems like an awesome idea.
Hi blue, what do you think of infinite being blaze?
Victory 101 that's what I'm thinking actually. The custom hero is a friend of Blaze, and from her reality.
Victory 101 infinite is male/ and onother guy make a theory that infinite is tails
TheBlueBlur - Sonic Animations don't worry Sonic! Light the hedgehog is on your side!
Annnnd infinite is just mad that he was called weak.
That was it.
Turns out infinite was just bounty hunter who has a grudge towards shadow for kicking his ass 😂
JUDDY LICIOUS HMGMGNGNGN disappointment
For kicking his ass *and* killing all of his squad members *and* tarnishing his reputation *overnight* by *one* hedgehog. That's actually a lot to take in.
Infinite doesn't really focus his entire motivation towards Shadow. If that was the case, he would settle the score one-on-one with him instead of Sonic and the rest of the resistance. Infinite had ambition, and his ambition was only fueled more after seeing Shadow's power.
@@emargaux okay, but where was it shown shadow killed them? And sure, shadow kicked his ass, but it's shadow, everyone knows that's like fighting sonic, but morally grey, so how would that ruin a reputation outside siding with eggman, which isn't really anyone but his own fault. What you're saying needed to be shown, as that would have made him interesting, but instead, his character arc is explained in 1 level of a dlc, and mostly revolves around his ass being beat, which takes roughly 5 minutes.
"I'M NOT WEAK! GRAAAAHHHH!!!"
I'm sorry but you are weak.
SO WRONG YOU AR
I know this isn't canon, but it's a much better story than what we actually got.
that perspective thing about reality warping by Infinite & the Phantom Ruby...
that fits so well with what Tails said about being part of the illusion near the end of Forces
Infinite uses debug mode. *Wow over 1 week I wasn't expecting so many likes.*
Infinite IS debug mode
So true
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David Turner thats the date of Sonic 2 :/
Future Tails(?)
Pretty much! 😂
So.... that means... Infinite is an OC, self aware of his ficticional existence because of the phantom ruby? seems legit.
Manuchopoop so it is from our world
Mind = blown
Manuchopoop do a theory on who is faster sonic or shadow
I wish this was the actual story
Everyone does
When a fan makes a better story then the developers you know things are wrong.
In my mind this is cannon and the "IM NOT WEAK" thing is used for... Character development or something
Welp. This hurt my soul but as far as I'm concerned this is the storyline. This is what happened, you can't convince me otherwise.
I gotta say its really damn accurate how you got these drawings of an unmasked infinite at the time before the game's release and the release of the comic showing his origin too. It does look exactly how he does in the comics
I swear if the theory of Infinite being friends with the custom character was true I would’ve started crying my damn eyes out.
to aid you in your theory here one of the line infinite says is "I remember you from somewhere" as if his friend is acutely trying to fight it but soon the crystal took full control again and changed to as if the crystal was speaking to your oc from the start
Honestly i wish that this was the actual story of forces
"Before I say goodbye to you one more last fist bump." Maybe Infinite sacrifices himself to destroy the Phantom Ruby? and this video blew my mind.
That's very possible!
Or he literally fist bumps the ruby and it shatters.
._. when's the last time a sonic character got permanently killed?
mattstat716 you are an A+ human.
Maybe the custom character performs a sacrifice
OF COURSE! afterall Aron webber did say someone would die in sonic forces! this might actually be legit. xD
Best forces theory so far! I'm glad you waited for enough evidence
You pretty much have the same theory on who Infinite is as I do!
Splatoo Blemier Same! I was hoping that other people started talking about it
Same here.
Splatoo Blemier same XD
If the Ruby changed a couple of Egg Robos, who's to say it didn't change some fox/wolf?
Polkadi or hedgehog, being as it sucked them both into the portal.
Hey something I noticed in the game is that infinite had to make a copy of metal sonic and sonic said why didnt eggman made more of them robots. So this means the sonic scourge's theory of metal sonic being actually sonic, on his theory he said that metal sonic could have been sonic before eggman converting him into metal sonic, so this means metal sonic does have a soul meaning metal sonic may and could actually be sonic but roboticised.
BOY OH BOY!!! when the theory sounds WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY BETTER THEN THE EXECUTION OF THE GAME STORY.
"So look around you and tell me what you really see".
The Sega Scourge - 【The Sonic Theorist】 "You live a lie and that's the difference in you and me."
I have the power, let me show you what it's all about
I have the power, Let me show you what it's all about
The Sega Scourge - 【The Sonic Theorist】 "This is an illusion open up your eyes"
Chen Azoulay It's only me and you,who is gonna save you now
This theory is so cool!
I know I whated this for years
The first time I saw the trailer, I noticed there seemed to be a connection between the custom character and infinite. I always felt Infinite's role was in somehow shape or form designed to support the custom character and give him a story. This was before Sonic Mania and that red stone was introduced.
This theory really got me thinking. Best mind bogling theory ever
I wish this theory was right...
KShadow Me and you both..
me too
KShadow Same
If only
Same...
SUCH a good theory!!!!! Oh man I loved it. It was great. Awesome. You have a great camera and radio presence - add that to you're brilliantly thought out theories and it's a win-win. The best possible combination. Sega should hire you to story write their games so that there's a deep and meaningful connection in all of them!
Thank you! And if only, right? Aha
The Sega Scourge - 【The Sonic Theorist】 ^_^ ;) well at least you can take pride in knowing your fans love your content and that you bring something new and interesting to the community =)
You're a Sonamy shipper?
Shadamy And Sonamy Lover I'm your sub
Ademi Banole and shadAmy =) but yes ^_^ I just think sonic and Amy would be adorable together (mostly from the comics and shows tho).
"This mysterious villain has been the Hot Topic..."
I see what you did there
Edit: Okay, now that I've finished actually watching the video, this theory has made me even MORE hyped about Forces. This may only be a theory, but this theory has SO MUCH EVIDENCE BACKING IT UP THAT I CAN'T HELP BUT ACTUALLY AGREE WITH IT!! The only problem NOW is...Classic Sonic will probably be the even MORE of an outlier in the story as a result.
Oh God, please don't tell me Classic Sonic is going to just be the comic relief...
Keelan Barron Nah, Knuckles seems to be pretty serious right now(as pretty much every other Modern character), so it could very well be that Classic Sonic in Forces is, sadly, just comic relief. I really hope not, though.
I doubt that Classic will be the comic relief character since he's pretty much on board with saving the universe stuff, Sonic may be the type of person that can be joking around sometimes but even he knows when shit gets serious that can threaten everything around him.
He'll probably mess with Eggman probably (Cause that's what he does) but at his most serious is with Infinite.
I don't think he will be. There has to be an explanation as to why he was brought to Modern Sonic's world. I mean, the Phantom Ruby clearly made the decision to take Classic Sonic with it into the portal. If it was able to seperate the Chaos Emeralds from CS, why wouldn't it just shoo him away as well? Especially since it should've been able to see that CS was a clear threat to it. This game has been in development for four years, and with all these little small hints and secret meanings, the story must be pretty big in some way. I can't wait to see what will happen in this game.
I hope not! If anything, Classic now has more reason than Modern Sonic to be trying to bring Infinite down! After all, he's ran into the Phantom Ruby already!
Kit Medic you mean dimensions?
A theory that doesn't involve Mephiles, Tails, Blaze, or Custom Hero (or mind control)... *It's like a breath of fresh air.*
Well no, it does contain the CC, but in an "Okay, makes sense" kind of matter.
True, true... He didn't say Infinite *was* CC, so that's fine xD
I still come back to this video, this theory is so good. This story gives Infinite DEPTH. It gives the avatar CHARACTER instead of being some random person that can be swapped out for anyone and purpose instead of being just there and it leaves enough room for the player to insert a personality. It also makes the main villian not some whiny edgelord but the TRUE villian being an inter dimensional eldrich being. Imagine how much better the final boss could have been. Imagine Infinite, tearing out the ruby from his chest, being freed and reunited with the Avatar, only for an eldrich being to form, the phantom ruby’s true form. The avatar and Infinite would work together to defeat it. The being that took away Infinite’s self and forced him to destroy everything. The boss would have all kinds of crazy reality bending tricks and fist bump would be playing as you fight him. It would make the song so much cooler and more meaningful as it would represent two long time friends banding together to defeat the demon that tore them apart and controlled them, in Infinite’s case, instead of two people who’ve known eachother for a week at most. If you could combine it with Infinite’s theme and call it Infinity Fist or something. Just thought it would be vastly better.
"Who's Infinite?"
A Jackal.
Who else remembered how Deadpool knows that he is just a character in a comic from this
me
Dwight Watae knew I wasn't the only one 😀
Mĕ
[Declines fist bump] Friend: "I'm not saying goodbye to you"
Phantom Ruby: ...Idiot.
Now that the game is out. Time for another explanation. Infinite is created by eggman and is used as a task force. as Shadow infiltrates the doctors facility, Infinites squadron fails to end shadow and maked Infinite do the work, but is badly overpowered by Shadow. So in Infinites rage he creates his mask and finds the Phantom ruby, knowing of yhe power surge it gives off he takes a shard of it for himself and creates a copy of it. Now as Scourge sayd, Shadow is on team dark (not quite) Infinite does not posses mind control. Infinite has the abillity to copy and re program his own army out of what he was programed by Eggman to know. which is all of sonics past. Thats how he created the copies of all of sonics ex foes. As seen later on in the game, Shadow fights infinites clone of Shadow. Silver the hedgehog takes on infinite and puts up a fairly good fight, as does shadow. Sonic does not because Sonics speed is no match for Infinites abillity to bed reality. Silver and Shadow can manipulate abilities stronger than Sonic. thats why at a time they were all rivals.
Man, coming back to this video after having played Forces just makes me angry now, cuz as many have said already, this would have been way better than what we actually got. I feel like there was so much wasted potential with Infinite.
Is it wrong that I like your theory about the story more than the actual story we got in sonic forces?
Forces is looking to be one of the deepest sonic games from a story and character viewpoint.
HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPED!
Arcade Adventures Productions HYYYYYYPED AFF CANT WAITTTT!!! let me clam down lol
Supershadowman2001 dont get your hopes up
Scientistic Thug why not?
Chelsea Because this is just a fan-made theory, so don't get your hopes up if forces will actually have a deep story
Supershadowman2001 so we got one complete Masterpiece of a game in Sonic Mania and now we got a really good Masterpiece of the game and terms of story with Sonic forces.... Yeah I'd say Sonic is back
13:26 those words DEFANTLY WILL have zero importance in five years
Infinite is DeviantArt confirmed "Sonic Forces: Rise of DeviantArt"
Toasty edgy
Toasty sonic will once again be the front page of deviantart.
There's another infinite power, *DeviantArt power*
*Seriously, why do I see you everywhere Toasty?!*
Because I am everywhere Razer-chan
When a fan writes a better backstory than the developers.
Your'e right because infinite is a host. He is being controlled by the phantom gem in his chest.one of the meaning of the song is he can't resist or stop the ruby from taking over his mind
Nice. Some of his lyrics are "This pain Persists, I can't Resist".
So....the phantom ruby is basically like the symbiote from spiderman.
Yes lol
TheSonicNinja And it seems more powerful than the chaos emeralds , maybe sonic will need the super emeralds ?
TheSonicNinja sounds like it
alex johnson YES
PPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF XD HAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (long gasp) ahhhhhhhhh
XD that was hilarious..
Heres a mind blow:
Infinite is actually...
A NOIVERN
Crossover confirmed?
also the spikes kind of remind me of Silvally
now i cant unsee it
Finally a person who also shares my theory too.
A child's edgy Noivern OC.
Hey Scrouge u missed a lyric from infinite's theme
"This is an illusion, open up your eyes and..." could that help with your theory with him being self aware and stuff?
The Sonic Scrooge
Infinite himself is an Illusion created by the Phantom Ruby. Irony. Cutscene leakage confirms this. Infinite is not a living character at all.
I love infinite ❤️ I just think he is such an amazing enemy, I’m not that much of a sonic fan but when I first saw infinite I was so intrigued by him that eventually became a sonic fan
I love this theory but it’s sad that this is not how the game has it. Amazingly great theory though!
Did you forget that the Phantom Ruby was at the same spot where Knuckles hits Super Sonic on Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles' Intro
"We are, the Eggman Gems, we'll always ruin the day, and if you think we can't, we'll do it anyways, that is why this world fears...Shadow, Chaos Zavok, and Metal Sonic and Infinite..."
*WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ARE TEH CRYSTAL GEMSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS*
"What we find in the ashes, you'll lose in the fire!" More proof that infinite can manipulate the game.
This makes so much sense!! The first time you fight Infinite, he doesn't go all out like he did while fighting Sonic for the first time. And when the fight is over, he let's you go! That makes so much sense!!
Sonic Forces pays a homage to the culture of Sonic OCs by introducing the Custom Character option.
Parallelling with you awesome theory, Infinite would be a Custom Villain, his design being so filled with visual discrepancy and it may be a reflection of the desire of a fan, who wants so hard to be in the game, to control the story, and so on.
Anyway, just theorizing...
Well, Infinite's Phantom Ruby uses illusions like when he tried to drop the sun into the planet. However, according to Tails, when the illusions are in motion, they are real. Also, they respond to certain emotions. Meaning that maybe this original Phantom Ruby was a template for the new rubies that he made.
This is an interesting theory about Infinite, keep up the great work :)
I kindve like the theory that alternate version of tails is infinite
So he's the best friend of Rookie?
I enjoy knowing that this is the story ahead of time so I know the story in a Sonic game won't suck.
Although you were wrong, you story was waaaaaay better then the official one
i want hyper sonic to return in this, it seems that kind of power might be needed to battle someone who can control reality itself
The Super Emeralds are all broken. He can't go Hyper anymore.
JOAQUIN HERNANDEZ yes it is
It is canon dumbass
Especially since he holds a gem far more powerful than possibly any emeralds, but i do have to say more powerful than a Chaos Emerald...
Norlight but the master emerald can make the chaos emeralds into super emeralds temporarily
just imagine how much better the story would be if that theory was true
4th wall breaks, but no, instead infinite just
*SPOILER*
disappeared, after his last fight he just fled, nowhere to be seen again
死神Blackyy It actually saddens me. Even the lyrics in infinite's theme matches everything in this theory.
I WAS WRONG, YOU WERE WRONG
WE ALL WERE WRONG!!!!!!!!
; _ ; SONIC TEAM Y U DO DISS?
becouse they scraped infentes entire story last moment.
They created episode shadow after the fact. As they ran out of time and had to explain it away. I have a theory that is the reason. the screen shot of infente in the glitch matrix is not used anywhere in game. As im assumeing that was supose to be the final battle. Likely takeing place after the avatar uses the ruby to destroy the false sun. another theory is in the scraped story-line he was suppose to be the avatar from a reality created when he picked up the phantom ruby. This was likely going to be reveled after said false sun level and boss fight. The "prototypes" where not suppose to have exited and where tacked on last moment as well.
Come back Sonic Theorist. i miss this mind-blown sections, even if the theorist turns out to be good or bad. Now with Sonic Frontiers, you could make some good content
"I was born in this pain
It only hurts if you let it."
This video is absolutley genius.
You deserve more than 10k subs,
You're such a good theorist!
Keep up the great work!
You're too kind, glad you enjoyed the video, and thank you ^_^
Awesome Theory! I 100% Agree.👍
INFINITE SPEED KING RACER like my comment if you like infinite
No one has had the idea that the phantom Ruby is like the chaos emeralds
I kinda wish that your theory about Infinite was the canon story Sega went with for the game. This is so good!
"Some minor spoilers for Sonic Mania's plotline follow"
Shows game ending
The game's been out for over two weeks now, ok!? x'D
The Sega Scourge - 【The Sonic Theorist】 Yea I know lol. But the thing is, not everyone has gotten the good ending yet. And some don't even get the chance to get the rest of the Chaos Emeralds because of school (cough cough me cough)
OMAIGAAADDDD 11:39
WHAT IS DOING MY OWN DRAWING OF INFINITE HERE?!?!?!?!?!?
That's pure awesome! XD It's that good.
Norlight hahaha yeah! I didnt have idea this would happen. I am a true fan about Infinite pfff Scourge noticed me cause, I follow his channel and I like his theories
Your art is amazin', I just had to put it in! :'D
The Sega Scourge - 【The Sonic Theorist】 ooooh! Thanks so much for this!! I really appreciate it!
Lucky? XD
Theory: Infinite is a fucking wisp using the Phantom Ruby.
(EDIT): Wow I never received this much likes before that's a surprise anyway besides that now that forces is out I kinda wish infinite was a wisp all this Squad Jackal shit is ehhh good thing I didn't get the game though somewhat happy it's not a wisp that shit is boring wisp be overused you can clearly see that when they have "Wispons" but yeah that's just my opinion cy(k)a.
Maybe he's a Cube Wisp :v
omg if that was true I would lmao
But wisp are good
Theory: Infinite is Elise trying to kiss sonic, but cant so she has to kill sonic now
Some Dank Dude Nah! Don't be stupid! Its the sandwich that eggman never finished in unleashed! But with ham! Evil ham, oh and some other powers
This may not be the official canon, but it will be the canon in our hearts
Simply due to how shit and wasted the official Infinite was
You're awesome, don't change a thing.
lol scourge what u said at the end was cheesy af
I'm just a big cheeseball, I can't help it xD
Thats why we all like you XD
lol it was still a really good video tho
I am taking this as canon until told otherwise
Nor is it a Time Stone (coughs) GameXplain. XD
13:33 OMG, so at this moment you are trying to say that Infinite is like the mysterious pokemon Missingno? OMG, NOW I GET IT.
Ever think of doing a Forces What If based on this theory?