The End for X-Wing and Armada - My Initial Reaction
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- Asmodee and AMG have just made it official. X-Wing and Armada are officially ending development and will have one more year of Organized Play.
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Another studio needs to buy Xwing and Armada. Especially X-wing it didn't deserve to die like this.
I agree 100%! Next to 40K and Kill Team, X-Wing miniatures are my favorite tabletop games of all time.
This wasn't the news I wanted to hear today guys. There are now NO space battle tabletop games in a franchise called STAR WARS.
Yeah only legion and shatter point if I’m not mistaken. Might as well call it Ground Wars.
I've been working on a history report because I expected this coming. Weirdly there's rarely been one in the first place. So really nothing new
It's now "Ground Wars"
AMG is now oficially a mass grave destination for FFG.
Their next game will be a war crime.
It's the EA of tabletop games.
That's technically a hospice. Speak of a prestigious business model for AMG !!
" we are Grateful for the community's passionate engagement and support"
Biggest fucking lie in there.
"we did not actively support you for 2 whole years. we feel very sorry for you trying to buy a second venator"
They literally could have just asked the community if they would have accepted any caveats to save the game. They could have. But they don't care about that. For them, it's just money. I get that. I don't agree with it, but I guess that's it. :(
@@Hawkeye83627 true, thats the essence of what happened here. it also implies that you as a customer, that may is interested in more niche systems, is to buy all models at once if you initially like the system, so you can be sure to, you know, be set up for a game, kind of. If it is then to be dead on spot or later on does not affect you as much. did we have the time to buy all the models we need? yes. did we fear the worst when AMG got the license for pretty much nothing? hells yeah. but solid 2 years later, they feel sorry. all good.
@@terranceskill Ehhhh, not entirely true imo. I was fresh out of highschool when Armada released, going to college I barely had money for food, let alone a tabletop game. I'm shocked and surprised I didn't hear about it then because I'm a gigantic Star Wars nerd. As much as I love FFG for making it, I feel like they botched the marketing. I lived breathed ate drank and slept Star Wars for years, it was only ahead of the Starhawk's release in the game that I heard about it for the first time.
Gotta disagree about AMG being sorry. They didn't do anything to keep the game afloat. They didn't reach out to the community to see if they could keep the product going in a more profitable way. They're not sorry because they didn't really care much or at all from the beginning.
I'm not exactly extra bothered by that byw, I just always have to roll my eyes and flip the finger at a company saying 'sorry' when they didn't really care in the first place. I'm hoping maybe I can cop a good deal off anyone who dumps their collection, I know I'll be keeping mine.
@@Hawkeye83627 armada has hit europe in a.. lets say second big down-time of x-wing. nobody really trusted in ffg to land another success let alone a stable system. lot's of bad-mouthing happened, and like you allready said - no real advertisement in any direction. felt like it was all of a sudden just available. i'm rolling with a huge sadgasm atm, dunno why it hits hard. i dont want it to be "another dead system" but its a fact now. i really wish for someone maybe offering his ships for a normal price, so i can complete my fleet, and even if i just have a look at them for now and then, i just like them so much.
Was sad they never got to the Lucrehulk but i knew Armada was dead once it went to AMG.
Loved Xwing 1.0 warts and all
Yeah man, I still exclusively play 1.0
The switch to 2.0 is when I quit the game. I think that was the main thing that killed X-wing. It reduced the dedicated player base and when the casual players got tired of 2.0 it crumbled
@Darkstar4619 yeah, I don't blame you. Conversion kits were so expensive as well, so it just wasn't worth it for me. I only ever played 'kitchen table' style anyway, so it didn't bother me that I couldn't play comp or stores
V2 also changed the game feel too much.
And as much as these licensed games have a limited pool of stuff to include, i was ok with buying repaints with new cards as it kept the game evolving. If they had made a new Luke every year i would have been perfectly happy to slap down the cash
Happy AMG Independence Day let's unite as a community for Armada and support one of the greatest tabletop games ever made!
I’m sad but I do feel relieved as an armada player.
A hope the community unites behind a single project to continue development.
They won't sadly. Community driven games are a myth. It's never worked. Heck just look at the folks that want to run 1st or 2nd Ed X-wing communities. They exist, they produce content, no one plays it, most don't even know they're there.
@@danteunknown2108community driven games exist, the problem largely is they can only ride out the wave from a project dying, pathfinder is a good example, born from DND having a single bad edition, but a good community ran game can easily keep itself alive for decades, even games like man o' war from warhammer fantasy have playgroups to this day and it released in 1993, and it was on shelves for a total of 2 years
Necromunda was a good example of a community driven game keeping it alive till GW wised up and started a revamped edition. Battlefleet gothic is a current example.
@@danteunknown2108 Who can say what will happend but i’m still positive and it does seem most of the armada community is feeling positive and ready to support something. That makes me excited.
@@danteunknown2108 imperial assault community has the game going GOOD for skirmish
and of course, battlefleet gothic survived with no support at all
You carried the banner for these great games and we all appreciate it!
I will not buy shutterpoint and any products of AMG!!!!!!!!!
So there reasoning on "difficulty painting miniature ships" is all the more interesting to me considering Star Trek Into the Unknown, and how the first runs looked amazing.
"Can't pay Chinese workers less" is why.
Should have continued making them, minus paint. Cast imps in grey, rebs in white, let the player do the rest.
its a copying lie
chinese handwork is cheap as F
@@pedrojustice Agreed, this is just a poor excuse by AMG and Asmodee.
The new Battletech boxes coming with one of the four minis in them pre-painted in notable color schemes for a hero mech or something similar plus full color unit cards are only a little bit more expensive than what AMG and Asmodee were charging for a single ship mini.
AMG and Asmodee are just using any excuse they can to justify how poorly this game has been run since the move to AMG.
Not saying FFG was perfect with it either, the change to 2.0 was rough... but stabilizing and starting to grow again after the initial mess.
Well, not a surprise…BUT, they can’t stop us from continuing to play and enjoy Armada and Star Wars X-Wing. We don’t need their permission for our community to continue to be creative and energetic! I hope everyone will continue to HAVE FUN and play how they want. Keep The Force Alive 😎
hopefully 3d printer go brrrrrr if people start making ship models
Already started printing
@@ReverTitan from who all i have found was one guy on cults 3d just imperil stuff mostly
Not stls, but mels Miniatures has a large number of armada scale ships. Unfortunately due to people selling printed ships they had to remove access for the stls and they just sell printed ones... hope that is of some help?
Start?
@@nathancoghill9802 crazy prices for those armada ships and tokens they have but xwing sized ships seem reasonably priced
Imagine having a license to literally PRINT MONEY, and deciding to let that license rot in a closetshelf in the back of your basement.
In 2025: "Introducing our new tabletop Star Wars space combat game: TIE Fighter!"
2.5 killed X-Wing for me. 2.0 was great, but I agree that the excessive cardboard was an issue. I was hoping that they would have gone the Attack Wing route with name and pilots.
Thank you Crabbok for all your past coverage of Armada and your futur one. I will stay tune for more Armada content on your part. You are the best!
I have strong suspicions Will Shick knew this was coming in the interview recently. God damn, I'm really bummed about this.
Suspicions? My guy, he's the head of the studio. He knew months ago. If not a year possibly. He had to sit at the table where the decision was made.
@@danteunknown2108True, but my guess is that the decision was only made relatively recently. They also needed to see how well the recent starter packs were selling before pulling the plug.
@@SeanChriscole That decision was probably made a LOOONG time ago. They just wouldnt come out with it until they sold out everything. If they would have announced it sooner, nobody would buy it.
Do you think they knew they were discontinuing epic when they sold the Trident? AMG has been playing pokerface all along and people are just shocked pickachu
@@aaronau433 My guess is that AMG had corporate overlords tell them to stop making products under x profit margin, 3-6 months before the new x-wing stuff stopped coming out. They finished out the product line but weren't allowed to end the game cause of either an ip deal or because reprints were profitable enough due to a lack of rnd over head.
Sadly, not a shocker. amg never seemed interested in Armada or X-Wing, and the support was about as lackluster as it could get. I was really hoping to see it go back to FFG or another Asmodee property, but with the BS being pulled by Asmodee's owner, I'm shocked that we aren't seeing even more games cancelled.
What bothers me, is that WizKids has shown that the game can be sustainable, even with painted ships, but it takes support and interest from the publisher.
Oh come on AMG bought the license to make Shatterpoint. They never wanted X-wing / Armada / Legion they were under contract to keep the games going 18 months / 2 years I expect that expired rcently and as soon as possible they ditched them. They never had any plans to do anything aside honour the contract they had to so they could make Shatterpoint.
AMG can get bent. They obviously didn't want either X-Wing or Armada.
Glad I finished my Legion army made of purely FFG minis, because they aren't getting any more money from me.
It's almost like Asmodee handed them a bunch of stuff they didn't ask for, huh?
@@ARCcommand They didn't make their situation any better when they not only made the people from FFG willing to transfer over to continue working on the products not only apply for their jobs at AMG and go through the hiring process like regular people off the street... and the ones they DID take... they let go of shortly afterwards.
Hard to develop a product when you don't have anybody TO develop the product that your parent company gave you.
AMG mismanaged this relatively poor situation due to their own hubris, and had the tools to have dealt with it if they didn't act like children and treat the FFG crew like trash when the games moved over.
I don't buy Legion; no appeal for me, and I refuse to support after the way Armada (and Xwing, although I am primarily an Armada player) has been handled. Went from amazing sales, to total mismanagement.
Your interview with Schick was very telling
I think what grinds me is them blaming rising costs of production when we all know they grossly mishandled production of both games. I was fairly new to Armada and i bought into the republic faction...
I feel like an investor in Enron
Feels like a ticking clock for Legion imo
I agree, I think they’re being forced to do legion because it sells so well. But their heart is clearly with shatterpoint.
At one time, Battletech was the king of miniatures gaming and then... At one time, War Machine was challenging Warhammer 40K and then... At one time, Star Wars X-Wing and Star Wars Armada were so popular that they were available everywhere and then...
Sad day, I originally subscribed to the channel for your X-Wing and Armada coverage. I’m not leaving over the news but man it’s sad. Legion is all that’s left for me to watch.
Of course there won't be reprints. They are quoting production costs of painted minis as a primary reason to discontinue the games.
"New game in 2026". After how they have handled these 2 IPs it's a hard pass. NO WAY am I going ot buy in to a new Star Wars space minis game after having dumped literal hundreds and hundreds of dollars in to X-wing. AMG/Asmodee can go jump off a cliff before I buy into anything else that's not self contained/complete in the box item.
Star Trek: Into the Unkown seems to run counter to this whole argument. If Asmide can't maintain quality, how has WizKids seemingly been able to upgrade their quality?
Prices have gotten ridiculous it was way to much for the value. The last 5 years was just stupid.
@@keithpalmer4547 here is the problem with that logic. When xwing first introduced medium ships, a large ship was $30, a medium $20, and a small $15. The new Star Trek core set features 2 large ships 1 medium ship and 3 small ships. At the prices listed above, that's $125 for just the ships alone. Wizkids is charging $150 for the core set. Remember that the core set also comes with everything else required to play the game. Does that seem like a huge price increase to you?
I hate the insincere corporate speak and all the silence and the total lack of respect for their customers and fans.
I think the silence wasn't AMG's choice, will said they had been trying to make announcement for awhile but were blocked by their corporate partners, so it's LF or Asmoddee to blame for that one
That’s not how communication works and you know it!
Now please stop hating and bitching about, thank you very much.
I honestly glad. I'm glad these wonderful games are done. AMG handled them poorly and don't deserve to work on them. This gives the community the chance to make these games what they should be.
I stepped into X-wing a month after 2.5 launch. I played it for over a year with joy and went to tournaments across the country. But after a year of playing all I saw was 'stale' gameplay. I was just moving my side of ships to my opponents, there was no real dogfighting. The game needed more player control in the outcome not objectives to keep me interested and wandering what I could do. Objectives made things more deterministic. Objectives forced things down from gameplay decisions to listbuilding level which leaves less space for creativity. I'm hoping they announce a new developer at next World's or earlier.
And people kept telling me they weren't killing them. I wish I was wrong the last year, but writing was on the wall for a couple years.
Boycotting all AMG products from now on. This is just corporate greed over customer support.
Atomic Mass studio suuuuuucks! 😑
So no Starwing Gunboat 2.0 reissue, reprint? (I was waiting forever for these…eventually gave up looking…)
Thanks for input/kind reply/guidance.
Sad times for OP, I play at home with Family so we’ll never stop playing! One of the best combat games ever!
Crabbok, you say AMG were not to blame but I think they were super arrogant and ignorant towards the x-wing community, they did not like and did not understand the game, and did not want to listen, that's it.
On the bright side they won’t have to engineer an obfuscate explanation for X-Wing or Armada
So glad they lied to us about reprints for Alpha Starwings.
So much good here. For myself, I'm tagging your super helpful comments on Disney at 1:00:00
Awesome thank you!
X-wing 2.5, was not an upgrade to the system and Rapid Reinforcements 2 was not great, this all shows that AMG was not in a position to take these games forward, the interest and experience wasn't there with these games. Sad that this was the way things went down, so much potential for Armada, at least X-wing 2.0 feels like a complete game
Just shows how bad they actually are before the pandemic x-wing was one of the biggest minature games in the west even out selling 40k some year and within 4 years they have had to close that game.
If I was this bad at my job I'd be fired amg need to restructure starting with Simon elliot
My local game store owner is close with his Asmodee rep. He said that because of inflation the pre-built, pre-painted ships for xwing and armada were now a loss profit wise for asmodee. They had wanted to raise prices but their focus groups with players had very negative reactions to that. They may have switched to sprue’s but when this whole embracer group debt thing occurred it wasn’t cost effective to switch production models
I just wanted my 2.0 Lambda class shuttle...
Are we asking for too much😭
Do what Star Wars Miniatures did when Wizards of the Coast stopped making SWM. The Community took it over and its grew and became a very strong game. Even now, some 14 years after the game officially ended, there are some great new pieces being made by a passionate community.
Armada is a GREAT game, I loved the way they forced a player to plan three turns ahead in some cases. Brilliant!
I bet Alex Davey is laughing. Miss him running this game.
I miss Max Brooks and the other two Brooks more myself, but Davey did have a good run too. Cheers.
17:15 Simply just having the ships was the number one reason I got into X-Wing and Armada and no matter what happens to the games themselves I have no intention of getting rid of them
For those of us who are die-hard Legion players but have only just gotten into X-wing and haven't even gotten to try Armada yet, this is a huge middle finger from AMG simply because now prices will jump through the roof for any ships and once the less widely available units are sold out, we're SOL.😢
Typically prices go down after a product ends development/reprints. Time will tell, but I think the vast majority will be more affordable especially if purchasing collections.
@@alwaysplaythegame Currently over the past two weeks since the announcement prices are way up, but I hope it comes down.
So much for my plastic alpha star wing😢
Get ready for those to go back up to like $100+. I have one, wish I had bought more.
Only thing we can do as a community is keep playing, help each other, and make the last Worlds the biggest they ever had.
But we never got huge ship points…
(Which wouldn’t have required AMG to produce prepainted miniatures).
While sad news, maybe a new company will make a new space battle game in star wars. Or maybe, even better, someone will make a new IP game that is even better.
Good-bye, Star Wars: X-Wing. Hello, Star Trek: Into the Unknown.
So
I got into Star Wars games to play with my son's back in 2015/16
We have done Armada and X Wing tournaments and doing our first Legion tournament in September.
Has AMG screwed us the players. YES
So, I say support our local communities and stores.
Now this is a stretch, but maybe we as a player base, should boycott worlds and adepticon to voice our displeasure.
There are still a ton of minis floating around, collections on ebay, and 3d print shops that support custom and alternates
@AzraelBlackstar
No the boys and i have tons of ships
But was hoping for new product
They could've at least done reprints before they bailed out. Good luck anyone trying to find a Venator. God what assholes.
AMG's 2.5 update seems even more pointless now. Thanks for dividing the fanbase even further for no good reason.
X-Wing was already dying from bloat back in the 1.0 days. The 2.0 version made a lot of great improvements, but the conversion kits brought in all that same bloat, and then made it worse with the introduction of even more factions. AMG was naïve to think that they could do anything at all to save X-Wing.
Recently picked up a republic starter(Acclimator, 2 consular frigates) a pelta, 2 squadron boxes, and 2 resin printed Venators. Anything else I should pick up while it’s still possible?
X-Wing got me back into miniatures. I loved the game and played some Armada. I have enough minis to play for years, but I will miss the possible new ships. X-wings play mechanics are brilliant. I will miss the development of these product. I will look forward to what the community comes up with. I'm hoping Legion has many years in its future.
If I weren't so depressed about the direction Star Wars has gone since Disney's acquisition, I'd have gotten more into X-Wing instead of 40k. As of now I really only care for Legion. Not interested in Shatterpoint in the slightest.
If they cancel Legion, then I'll rely entirely on 3D printed miniature collections and custom games. Maybe the FFG RPG.
Still though, I am in the process of creating my own community for disaffected fans. If Disney won't fix their universe and produce good games, we'll make our own.
Let the 3d printing begin.
I’m going to take one of my several Y wings and attempt to make a silicone mold out of it as a test.
I have been harboring some resentment towards AMG as a studio for quite some time now. They should have just came out and said this 3 years ago. I got into Armada around the time the Clone Wars wave released, and I have always felt like I was douped. The game was bassically abandoned shortly after I bought into it. You hit the nail on the head. How do you end development when you never started?
Heard the news and you were my favorite call 📰
Hard not to blame Embracer Group's greed for this.
Maybe look at Dropfleet commander again later this year when new edition drops?
A new BFG would also be great, just hope it won’t be 30K…
One of my favorite memories is playing Battletech for the first time and doing a point-blank alpha strike. Blew up my opponent and the explosion took me out as well.
Xwing 2.5 was the last nail in the coffin. If amg keeps supporting points updates that will be something
This stream was so reassuring!! Sucks no more x wing but man Crabboks positivity is infectious my play group is still going even if it is smaller but the guys are passionate and I appreciate that! Life long followed of crabbok after this!
Juat scrambled to buy my Armada seperatist fleet on payday before scalpers/out of stock problems get worse. Only thing im missing is the upgrade card collection. Sad times
What I'm hearing is that we can finally give the VSD another point of turning
Amg wanted the license for Shatterpoint. Once they got it. That was the end of X-Wing and Armada.
As if AMG hab any saying in this! 😂
It’s the large umbrella-companies that decide stuff!
Honestly, they should have adopted pre-primed mini like the Reaper minis. If they are too stingy to do it themselves.
I noticed that the Xwings are kinda flexible like the Reaper minis, so it could be the same scenario.
Have to blame disney also, how many new ships have they introduced to even be made into a model for these games ya know? So even if they did support these games then there wouldnt be muchto develop. Absolutely crazy they are dropping xwing, there were MORE people at adepticon playing Xwing than any AMG game or even 40k!
Sad news but I long ago moved on rule set wise from Star Wars Armada to One Page Rules Grim Dark Warfleets. It’s meant to be a Battlefleet Gothic proxy but works really well with Star Wars armada minis. The warband builder is great too.
Worst kept secret ever. Their communications policy is horrible.
I'd say what we need first is data sheets for models created by outside sources. For example for the Malevolent.
Omg i havent gotten into armada yet!
I still want a few more x-wing ships…
There is a ton of it floating around, and tons of 3d print support, and a very active community. Like Epic did for decades, it is really all set to go community and thrive...
I am glad that they made the announcement, but honesty i kinda always thought of both games as dead since i started getting into mini's gsmes
Have a lot of Armada but haven't been able to play in awhile...may be time to sell.
They wanted MCP play to be adapted to X wing and Armada. Could not figure it out for Armada at all and it was a mess for X wing. They killed the game. I blame AMG and Asmodee. It should have stayed with FFG.
Noooooo! You were the chosen one!
On your point about the b1s in shutterpoint I actually think it's quite nice the you cannot kill one of my models before I even had a chance to use them compared to even Legion where I can lose characters before they even have a chance to act.
hey crabbok, have you ever tried playing adeptus titanicus? its like a fleet game but theyre just big stompy titans on land which i think you will like.. its GW yes but its one of the best game systems for something close to a fleet game and i wish it was a fleetgame. There are reactor management, big crazy guns, very interesting destruction mechanics, ship like movements and more!. The "squadrons" are knights scuttling around with different movement and attack rules just like armada. You should check it out.
The 2018 edition was AMAZEBALLS. A few minor balance issues in later stuff that needed little tweaks, but overall an absolutely solid game. I started GW games with the original 1980's version, and was very happy with the reboot; note I also play/played many other games (Epic 1st-2nd, Dropzone Commander 1.0-2.0, Dropfleet Commander, SW Armada, Xwing, Warhammer Fantasy Battle and WH40k from their earliest editions to modern community variants, Batletech, Silent Death, Centurion, etc, etc, etc....), and AT2018 easily stands as an amazingly well done game...
Rough day, was hard to hear the news. I’m hoping some good comes out of it
Are there good third party stls at this point or are they hard to come by?
Easy to find
Thanks crabbok, you got me into Armada, the best minis game, just such a great balance of scales, complexity, themes, and competition
Not surprised at all.
We didn´t even get blackbox re-releases for all of the 1.0 content before they stopped caring and simply phoning in their overprized cards only expansions.
Then they forced the game into a weird "hero shooter" style with 2.5 and only blackbox releases were legal. That killed the game for me.
Following the pandemic, Armada had its largest turnout ever at worlds this year. AMG is dropping the ball on this.
I hope the community keeps the game alive with 3D printing. There is still so much that could of been added to the game. Separatist still lack fighters with escort
Just moves it to the community like what happenned with Epic and Warhammer Fantasy Battle years ago. Epic really never died, and honestly got better with the community editions. Armada already had an incredible custom ship communiity trying to fill in the gaps. Asmodee impressively mismanaged the IP, transfering it to AMG who had no resources or heart to do anything with it. Went from the #2 and #3 games in most of the stores I know of, to being a rounding error, specifically from mismanagement; people still playing like crazy (although Battletech and various Warhammer games have overtaken XWing and of course Armada in general sales and in many cases play-wise).
So lets do it...
Does this mark the end of Legion?
Will they just push shatterpoint more and more until they get rid of legion?
Does this mean they won’t be re-releasing the alpha class starwing?
All good things must come to an end
This is just shocking. I can find no words to describe my feelings now. What I can do is go out and buy every xwing set still available in my region.
This was my favorite 2player game of all time. I can only keep it alive in my house.
Thank you Crabbok for bringing us the news.
Shame to amg.
Another space game? I’ve invested a bunch in two already; I’m not interested in buying into a new one. They should have improved/iterated on what they had.
I could not watch this live as this really hit hard. As for stock, there is not much available in the UK
Look to DropFleet Commander for your true space armada battles, sorry to see Armada ending....great game.
A clever studio could get a hold of the license and create a new game based on the same scale that might allow people to use their Armada or x-wing models.
At the moment I have that with my 15mm tank miniatures, where I can use the same minis for flames of war, world of tanks or clash of steel games
Good opportunity for OPR to break into this space. They already have their FTL ruleset
leaves me 2 ships short of my Armada set (venator and arquiten), have 3d printed arquitens but really wanted the real thing. AMG was always going to do this, seemed Legion was going to survive due to overlap with shatterpoint development and their own skirmish rules. What we now need is an official printed points cost list for X wing, the apps are not going to be reliably updated
I'm looking forward to possibly buying some X-Wing from a friend so hopefully I can finally have my own and stop playing only when my friend can let me borrow them.
No reprints suggests (to me) end of license. Those moments across companies, IPs, and even other games (rpg) seem to come with an initial stage of product liquidation followed by no more ability to sell it (in phys or e-versions).
Why reprint if you can't sell that product 6 or 12 months from now...