I would like to note that the auction site that I purchased this car from has been very helpful through the process, and went above and beyond to refund the $5000 buyer commission they made. I would certainly keep buying from there, but in the end, they are reliant upon the sellers to provide accurate information to create their listings. They are just a go-between, BUT do way more to help their customers than Ebay or many other big auction sites.
Since inspecting the underside didn't reveal signs of the rebuilding, how certain are you that this is an actual superbird and not just a nose cone, wing, and vin plate slapped on a regular roadrunner? I'm worried you might have gotten screwed more than you think
@@badopinionsrighthere It was disclosed both at Barrett-Jackson when this car sold in 2010 and here that the floor and drivers side door was replaced among other things, so it would make sense that we don't see any thing. The vast majority of restored 60's-70's Mopars had rust issues with these kinds of things replaced, yet we don't call them partial re-bodies?
For those that lasted until the end of the video, I want to shart by saying thank you so much for watching. I am really looking forward to making more skid marks and stomping the gas once this super bird is sorted, with it's horn tooting mightily!
Yeah that's bullshit, and blaming the shipper for it is even worse. If the seller wanted to keep them why not just list it with the car, I doubt it would have made a huge difference to the price.
"...but PLEASE don't go and look him up on 'bring a trailer' and harrass him, that's capital 'B' then r, i, n, g then a space then 'a' then the word 'trailer'..."
Thank you for sharing your experience of buying a car this way. I've learned a few things from it. After hearing about your experience, If I ever buy a car that has extra provinence included with it, like this one was supposed to, I would have the seller box it up and ship it to me separately with a tracking number. It's too bad the seller was a d-bag, and ruined your experience. It's still a solid car you ended up with.
How is no one talking about 26:42 when the wizard dealt with his own compressed gas. Tyler held it together like a champ! Beautiful car and nothing but love for you both!
@@stevenf927 I'm aware. He waits to drop something off when something else is ready. Nonetheless, he's always got at least 5 cars at the wizard's lol...
I absolutely enjoy the calm discussion between you two. So much better than the ranting that we usually hear from mechanics. Instead of bashing the previous owner, etc. you just move on and do what you can to fix it. I get so much more info and enjoyment from it. Thanks!
The people who sell these cars should have their money held for at least five days until the buyer has time to check all the things that the seller stated that was ok . If he lied then he does not get paid and the car is returned, and is banned from selling the car at any other auction
Then all the risk would be on the seller - who would want to sell a car when the buyer can drive it for a week and then come up with any excuse to bring it back and transfer all the costs of the transaction back to you. Or take it to the track and break it and then return it for a full refund. If you are buying a car you go look at it yourself or have someone you trust go look at it, especially when it costs 6 figures.
A lot of people here do not know mopars. This is a 70, the vin is stamped into the radiator core support, also its under the rubber of the trunk seal. Easy to check. IF they started with a standard roadrunner then they would have had to swap out the entire rear window plug. Look for the factory brackets in the trunk for the wing. Look for the factory limiters welded to the trunk hinges so the trunk does not hit the wing. As for vacuum the pump is where the battery used to be. On the factory car there is a "can" under the battery tray that was a vacuum reservoir. Even if you have a fairly wild cam it will work. Only when you hit the extreme it will need the pump. My guess as this was a race car there was no can and a wild cam. So their answer was to slap a pump on it. The entire front suspension is non stock. It has an aftermarket K member so there is no torsion bars. That's why it has coil overs. It DOES have the factory boxes in the rear suspension that only came on hemi cars and verts. I'm armchairing this is a real car with extensive reconstruction. But 5 minuets of hands on research would verify that.
Hello fellow Mopar guy, I thought the same on checking all the stamped vins as well. The BaT listing is a bit concerning, though - "This 1970 Plymouth Superbird is said to have been crashed in a race in the 1970s, and it was reconstructed with parts sourced from a Road Runner during a three-year refurbishment that concluded in 2009." - Makes me think it IS in fact a vin swap, and the body-stamped panels will tell the story. Hope it to not be the case...
Someone with money can own anything they want. Even a hack with money. I've found through experience that most very wealthy individuals lack the common sense that the rest of us have.
Likely the guy bought the car already done and the guy before built it and sold it without driving it. The new owner likely fixed issues with the fresh build cheaply as they came up.
Frankly I'm worried that it's not the actual superbird, but instead a VIN plate swapped on to a roadrunner. I would have no faith in the seller or anything they have vouched for. Especially since inspecting the underside didn't reveal signs of the rebuilding, I would want to make sure this is the actual car you paid for
Tyler, the areas of the frame you were inspecting around the 19 minute mark are actually aftermarket subframe connectors. The Mopar unibodies of this era never had anything frame-wise running under the passenger compartment. Looks like a pretty nice kit was put in, rear torque boxes were added to the rockers as well. That chassis is definitely strong now, a definite requirement for that modified Hemi.
I cannot currently remember whether the superstock cars had full sub frame connectors on it, I'm thinking that they did because the engine actually sits further back in the superstock cars than it did on the stock cars. I know this because the actual balance was 45 percent rear to 55% front. It was as close to a 50-50 balance front rear has Chrysler ever made I do believe. Large torque boxes would have been stock on all Hemi cars and all convertibles. Front suspension appears completely aftermarket.
The whole K member is aftermarket, tortion bars replaced with coilovers, the steering box was replaced with a rack and pinion, the upper and lower control arms are aftermarket tubular, and what looks to be a Wilwood brake kit.
All Hemi cars, 6 pack cars (including TA Challengers and AAR Cuda’s) and all convertibles had factory torque boxes. Hemi cars also had special snubber reinforcement plates so the rear ends didn’t tear a hole in the floor under repeated launches. Hemi cars also had extra steel rectangular inserts with holes for bolts to pass through where the front leaf spring brackets mounted and they had triangular rear frame rail reinforcements welded in back where the rear spring shackles mount. All those things should be present if it’s a real car, but the assembly lines were notorious for quality control issues, so they sometimes missed a thing or two. And as mentioned, that car has aftermarket subframe connectors welded in snd thats one thing ALL Mopars can use. Greatly stiffens up the car. With all my chassis reinforcements on my Cuda, I can Jack the front corner up and the rear follows, yet I can still open snd close my door perfectly. Before the reinforcements, the door sagged so much it wouldn’t even close, the body flexed so much.
This really brings back memories. A friend of mine had a green Hemi Superbird back in high school. I find it interesting to see what parts look familiar and what clearly wasn't on the original car. That chin spoiler was impossible to keep from getting dinged. The headlights had a canister of about half a gallon with vacuum so that you could open and close the lights two or three times with the engine off before they stayed permanently open. I was counting the leaf springs at the rear to verify that the passenger side had more than the driver side. The original car had torsion bars, so adjusting the ride height was a simple matter of turning one bolt on each side. The car would look better with the original shape of exhaust tips. I want to keep following this story.
Good catches, Scott. One of my cars is a 1982 Corvette that still has the pop-up headlights working fine, original. Have never heard a peep, maybe electrical more than vacuum. Never had any reason to look since they work fine. You saying the rear springs were not paired, but different for the original car? That would be a new fact in our books, but it might make sense with the torque imbalances. Big Car. Yes, the front end was always dinged because when you pulled into a parking spot you always over-shot it forgetting you had that front nose. Please share more of your thoughts here in the coming weeks. Love it, my friend.
@@alveyjohn The spring packs differing was all about NASCAR and not about torque of the engine. Cornering load going left puts more load on the right of the car. Gotta love the homologation cars and all the silly stuff that make them fast in the series they raced but piss poor road cars.
I'd absolutely report the seller to BaT, because that's about 100 miles past the line of reasonable 'minor details' missing from an auction listing. Hell, my overly pessimistic side would be sorely tempted to look into legal action (against the seller, not BaT, to be clear) to recover some of your expenses here. /updated text a bit after reading Hoovie's reply
The auction house has been great through all of this. Refunded their fee and did take some action on the seller. In the end, though, they are just a go-between that is reliant upon the seller providing accurate information.
They are literally an auction listing site, and it's worse because they curate their auctions to be cosmetically acceptable. If you have something that is valuable, but looks trashy, bringatrailer won't List It. This is in part on the seller for being a scammer, but also for bringatrailer not doing their homework. I have always looked at bring a trailer as a curated money-laundering site. Cars there typically go for much higher than street value, and much higher than any other auction site. There have been many horror stories about people that bought cars bring a trailer, and found out later they had been scammed, and bring a trailer will not take responsibility, even though they had some function in curating the auction, because you can't just list anything on bring a trailer.
@@HooviesGarage I feel like these cars with issues are the ones that go down in value during a downturn in the markets when only the more pristine ones retain or increase in value. I know this from my days collecting vintage guitars. Anyway, hope things turn out well with this one. Best of luck!
@@HooviesGarage Ah, I see. Good to know BaT's folks are being responsive and assisting you in this matter though. Looking forward to seeing this rare bird get all sorted out! :) And thanks for the reply of course. Hope you and yours have a Happy Holidays.
I have no idea why someone would put in a vaccume pump to operate the headlights when an aftermarket electric motor for the Superbird headlights is available, one for a dodge charger is $600. Also you know you have a car problem when you can't remember what expensive car you've bought and are underneath
Can we stop with the comments leading to adult websites, please..... It's really annoying. We all know it's gonna lead to a virus....on your phone or PC
A couple things I'm seeing. The front suspension has been taken out and replaced with a tubular set-up instead of the torsion bars. Framerail connectors were added. The beams that run under the car parallel to the doors are not stock, but this is kind of a common thing to add to a modified Mopar to stiffen the chassis. It looks like adjustable traction bars have been added to the rear end, they aren't needed on a Mopar.
Did you know you were getting a car with a complete aftermarket coilover front suspension and rack and pinion steering? Great if you were looking to go resto-mod. NOT great if you thought you were getting an original Superbird!!!
Hello Tyler, Do you actually believe that someone would leave a valuable signed item in the vehicle and all visible before shipping it in a carrier? What a crook that seller is.
$3,400 to fix the car and make it enjoyable to drive is an absolute bargain. Hopefully as you start putting miles on it nothing else rears it's ugly head. Oh, and the gold wheels rock. Reminiscent of the gold wheels some NASCAR teams used back then.
fun fact! The real track raced versions of these cars are easily identifiable. they were so low in the front, and so raked, with an extreme wheel and tire package, that that the top of the fender had to be cut out. Leading to the scoop you see in the center of the fender. the production cars built for sale to the general public, had the scoop, but not the fender cut out. there was no reason for them to be cut as they had a different wheel, tire, suspension package entirely. Good stuff @Hoovies Garage, thanks for the honesty and documenting this from a buyers/clients prospective. it is very enlightening to hear as a builder. Happy Holidays!
You always handle these situations in a commendable way, even though I know how frustrating they can be. Congratulations on another awesome car though! I have always liked these.
That floor makes me think it was a complete rebody (Vin Swap)...you need to check the secret Vin numbers on the driver side trunk drain. (Under the water seal on the driver side) Also the radiator support will have the other hidden vin. Also look to see if either of those parts (the radiator support or that part of the rear trunk) look like they have been "fiddled with". High probability it was a total rebody. I'd also get rid of that remote oil filter...too many 1 dollar parts that can fail and kill your engine.
Agreed. I would want a Mopar expert to check over the details of a high dollar car. I find it hard to believe a hemi four speed bird is hacked together like that in light of it's value and rarity
@@mattg7952 I honestly have no idea what it takes to be put on the superbird registry. How do you know it was verified and by whom, Galen Glovier? That floor looks completely replaced and thus sketchy.
@Ben Jones I am aware of AMD and several companies that make new floors, but a partial floor replacement and a total replacement is a significant difference and aside from all the other things he wasnt told, id be sure I had a real superbird
@@mattg7952 Well, the vin tag may be listed on the registry... I'm not even sure if there is a registry for these cars that's universally recognized. I find it real hard to believe a hemi 4 speed car got resto modded. A "racing'" super bird street car? If it was NASCAR, ARCA or USAC stock, there would be a paper trail adding to it's value. Bring a trailer has sold a few 440 birds that were well documented for more than what this car went for. At one time, though maybe not now, someone would have paid that money for a documented hemi 4 speed wreck to give a rotisserie restoration. I still stand by my opinion that he didn't get the car he thought he bought
These videos are usually so annoying with too much joviality and not enough car, but I LOVED the way the repair bill was open, public and broken down - great stuff
The reason why the seller is avoiding you is probably because he bought that during the last peek and was hoping it would continue to go up and up and up in value. He lost money on his "investment" and/or he realized he was probably going to die before the next peak. Hold onto it Hoovie! Cars have only been around for like a hundred years. It will be interesting to see how these dips and peaks continue to play out as the era's roll on by.
I'm not really into the market of 70s supercars - but isn't a restomod worth substantially less then a genuine 70s car? This should not be a bully - I just want to know, could a well done restomod like this still could get into the 6 figure value, even with a bad title - I assumed this was bonkers.
@@marcus_w0 Yes but restomods were really popular 15'ish years ago. Every TV show had them. It makes sense how someone could do that to a salvage titled car.
@@geepuller1 I think American cars from that era has hit their lowest point and from here on up the bubble grows till the next pop. Once you start seeing a bunch of TV shows you'll know it's time.
If only you had a great mechanic to perform a pre-purchase inspection on your purchases! Just kidding Hoovie, we love your content for this exact reason.
Actually, it would be pretty cool to see the Wizard make a trip out with Hoovies to do a pre-purchase inspection. But otoh, I'm sure that would be a huge logistical challenge for Wizard's shop too.
Is the Superbird club (registry?) a reliable resource for this car's history? Shouldn't the VIN be stamped on various locations on the frame, etc.? I think Hoovie going through the process he used to prevent being completely scammed would be a good lesson for those who might want to purchase something like this.
Vin would be on the radiator core support and the trunk seam around where the weather stripping is. It has some important things that make it look legit. The back glass and the torque boxes for the leaf springs are important details that say it’s legit. There are only 1500 of these ever so it’s not hard to track if it’s real or that the vin came from a real one at least.
@@LittleHippie09 I noticed that the tag on Hoovie’s has been riveted to the inner fender, and watching Graveyard Carz and seeing that the factory used screws, something seems extremely suspicious about this car.
That car is awesome. Minor issues for a car in that good of shape. The $5k you were refunded should take care of that work easily. The missing memorabilia sucks though.
Having been a Dodge, Chrysler, Plymouth technician through the 1970's building MoPaR's to current, this Plymouth should have been inspected by someone with vast technical knowledge with Chrysler products. I would have personally flown to the location and inspected this car. I would have taken it to a shop and rented a lift to do an inspection on this vehicle and I would have gone through it with a bore scope along with a body and frame magnet and led light before making a purchase. I have done this for many people to include vehicles that I have purchased. Short of buying a new vehicle I would not buy any vehicle without doing this.
Yeah, but when you have money, and your intent is to show this very thing, why would he? The fact that he got a 'titled' superbird is all that matters. Everything else is academic. He will get every penny back, and then some. I believe he is just earning a dime on the education and entertainment of others. But hey, your sales pitch is spot on.
Obviously good points for a normal collector. But in this case being a car bought specifically to make a video with for a 1.33 million subscriber UA-cam channel, he can take the risk and not do what you suggested because any problems the car comes with is a topic for a new video. I mean, it's been a week and the video already has 1.1 million views.
I'd ditch the vacuum pumps altogether and run a vacuum reservoir instead and see how the brakes & headlights operated before shelling out $1500 for another pump.
Tyler, you are right about KARMA. Your videos are so widely watched, it will be on the screen of someone who knows eventually. You simply don't hide bright orange SUPERBIRDS from everyone, and relatives, friends, neighbors, etc. know who and where. You have the right KARMA, enjoy your SUPERBIRD and let your videos do the rest for you. Good Luck man!!!
I live near Philadelphia, PA and bought a classic Honda motorcycle from a seller in Texas. Very low mileage for a 20 year old sport bike (5100), and he did send pics galore upon my request. Funny how those pics didn't show any of the damages. Bike had fallen over at one point and the body panels along with the mufflers suffered because of it along with MANY scratches and chips in the paint. With shipping I invested $8100 for a motorcycle that was worth no more than $4500. Nothing I could do about it so I have "licked my emotional wounds" and have decided to do a complete restoration on it this Summer. Obviously not in the same league as this Superbird situation , but I know how sellers can be total liars and scammers. I will NEVER again buy ANY vehicle I don't look over in person. Lesson learned.
The issues seem relatively minor, making the lack of transparency seem totally pointless. BaT definitely came out on the right side of this with the refunded commission. Congrats on the birb, Tyler!
I agree with your comment the issues aren't horrible most people that own these cars now buy them as investments believe me Mopars aren't driven like they used to be if they get driven at all driving to the car shows in warm no rain days don't come close to slamming from neutral into drive at 4000 I wouldn't doubt if this bird wasn't bought at a good deal or a guy wanting a return on investment and may not of even went over it may have never touched the bird listed it as it was as he acquired it or bought and hadn't gone over it and needed to raise cash and listed as it was what I'm trying to say is alot of these cars are bought and sold as a commodity not for the love of these amazing butties
Yeah, but if you spent $130,000 on a car you'd be annoyed if Information got left out. Lol A $500 car, you expect it A $130k car they better be more transparent than prescription glasses! Lol
Unless you’re rich, never buy a car sight unseen. At the minimum, get a pre-purchase inspection done and independent inspection, less you like paying too much for a sham
I disagree, it all depends on the situation and what your buying. It’s obvious that the best scenario would be able to look at it or have it evaluated but even that’s not fool proof. Problem don’t always jump out at you and can rear their ugly head as time goes on and at the end of the day your still trusting someone else’s word with a pre-purchase inspection and not everyone has the same agenda as you. Your increasing your odds but it’s still a gamble. Again yes those are all best things to do if the situation allows but sometimes you need to jump on a deal and take that gamble. Point of all this is If you are willing to accept the consequences if things go south then more power to you. A person doesn’t have to be “RICH” to do that and it not be “paying too much for a sham”. With all due respect In a way this speaks more about you than it does the car practice of buying car. We all look at the world differently. 😬
He's said it before: if he buys a car that's super nice then he gets a super nice car. If he gets a piece of junk then he makes money on the content. So it's a no lose situation
Sorry to hear about your experience. Your story is a perfect reason why we offer and preform very detailed and digitally recorded pre-purchase inspections that all goes to the prospective buyer. Over the last 30 plus years we have seen countless people bring in a vehicle that they bought in a similar fashion only to learn that what they bought is not what they thought they were buying. Any reputable seller will have no problem letting you have an independent third party professional inspection. Just because an inspection discovers deficiencies doesn't mean the sale still can't go through it only means the buyer has a higher level of transparency and knows what they're getting into. Plus the inspection can work as a negotiating tool so that both parties can win in the transaction.Thanks again for sharing your story.
This is the perfect way to buy an amazing car like this: It's no longer "pure" so it's not really collectible so it's cheaper to buy, and then it's already not stock so you can modify it and make it handle, stop, and drive like you want! I say Bravo!
Couldn't agree more. I have no interest in the obsession with absolute original. That would only make me not want to drive it. I'd rather buy a mediocre Satellite, plop a crate hemi into it, and build it to my tastes.
@@VanceMacdonald Yes! I have an automatic alert on bring a trailer for C4 Corvette's. From time to time you'll see like "172 mile 1993 ZR 1" and I just think "Man someone could have driven and loved that car!" Instead someone just looked at that car…for 25 years!?
Crank the torsion bars back down. And yes,it it very adjustable.Oh,they took them out for the coil-overs. Poor car! Oh,by the way you did very well with the purchase. It's been fairly extensively modded but they aren't getting any cheaper and last I looked they ain't making any more so enjoy and keep the shiny side up!
Did the Wizard really just "toot" his own horn at 26:41 after he said horn? You can even hear him strain to do it.... Huge kudos to both of them for not breaking character lol
It’s got the hemi torque boxes the Dana (and a lot of after market stuff that a normal person wouldn’t swap out the original parts if it were an original hemi super bird) But unless it’s a a mess under the nice paint,seems like a decent deal . I’d find a hemi 4speed and an original suspension etc etc if it’s an original hemi super bird car.
When I was 14 years old I saw both Plymouth Superbirds and Dodge Daytonas race at Dover Downs in Delaware. Richard Petty won the race in a Superbird. Richard's teammate was Buddy Baker who broke the 200 MPH barrier at Talladega in a Dodge Daytona. I have always loved these cars. There were several other drivers that drove either the Daytona or Superbird at Dover during that race. Interestingly, I remember sitting in the stands and closing my eyes. To me, the Superbirds and Daytonas sounded so much smoother than the other cars and even with my eyes closed I could tell when one passed the front stretch. A side note: I learned firsthand why Richard Petty was called King Richard. He was the epitome of a sports hero and would seemingly stand patiently until everyone got an autograph. I will always have a high regard for the man. Perhaps you could send him a letter requesting that he sign the cover for your glove compartment. Good luck and God Bless.
I remember clearly the first time I saw one of these. My dad was a massive Chrysler and general car fan, he was also a fighter pilot in USAF. We'd drive around and if he saw something interesting in the rearview mirror, he'd give me this comedic fighter pilot type Bogie approaching from 6 oclock> speed approximately 75 mph etc etc. He always made me say roger- acknowledged. Anyhow, one day he got super excited (even more than, when we saw an original Mercedes gullwing 300SL) So as this Superbird goes by it was literally like what I imagine seeing a UFO for the first time would be like. I was absolutely gobsmacked by that front end and that gigantic wing. Cars back then didn't have "spoilers" back then, so it was utterly fantastic to see. He rattled off everything he knew about that car, which was just about everything. This was before the internet. He was constantly reading car, science, tech magazines and books. He was an aeronautic engineer by education and sometimes it seemed like he knew everything. Unfortunately, my dad my hero passed away December 23rd as we were getting ready to kick off into Kuwait for the 1st Gulf war. Anyhow, that car is like a movie in my mind. After I left the USMC I was lucky enough to get a job working in Silicon Valley tech and several successful starts ups later I can buy absolutely any car I want, so I may need to get one of these. Miss you Dad.
Loved reading your story I met the super bird at the international auto show in Chicago 1970 with my dad he’s been gone over 30 years still my favorite Mopar
Love how the wizard actually looks like he is processing after he tastes the oil, like some sort of cyborg mechanic. Not my type of car but extremely impressive nonetheless.
Hoovie might wanna get a paint thickness measurement tool out. With so many hidden mechanical flaws i wouldn't be too surprised if half the body work is just filler.
Perfect occasion to bring Dennis Collins to verify it authenticity. Wouldn't be surprised, if it's a glorified replica. Maybe with some Superbird original panels with the VIN numbers, but with a new custom sub frame, or using a Plymouth Road Runner as the starting canvas. That mint condition floor panels are very suspect. Plus the mods as the tubular front suspension.
@@johnb4183 exactly. The sub frame seem also spotless. As it was brand new. Wouldn't be surprised the race incident, was an excuse to cover up the rebuild. Using a brand new sub frame with some original Superbird panels. Maybe using a magnet could be the starting point to check all the panels. And bring up a Superbird Expert to check it out.
@@RogerM88 Since they are uni-body, there shouldn't be any "factory" frame rails on a b-body mopar. Those are likely the laser cut U.S. Car Tool frame connectors. I put the same ones on my Super Bee. While not factory original/correct, they do a great job of stiffening up the car.
The silver lining is that Hoovie is going to get six months of content from this purchase. There will be more problems found, then a VIN problem identified followed by an investigation episode. If it is correct great, if it is fake, he has content making it right.
Ironically, the UA-cam series will probably do better if it's a fake and he got scammed than if it had just been a cheap, clapped out Superbird that needs fixing. He may make more money in the end even if it's only worth half what he paid.
What do you mean by 6 months of content? You mean he's going to make a video on this car every day for 6 months? He'll make a few videos, then the car will get parked and eventually sold, like pretty much everything else. We'll only see it in the background, up on the rack in his garage after its fixed.
Great to see it all run down smooth! I’m very happy for you and hope the car comes as a good luck charm and all those minor problems don’t turn into headaches 🤞
I worked on a late 40's-early 50's cadillac with a hydromatic transmission. When we looked for the fluid specifications it called for a whale oil base transmission fluid. Luckily dexron was an acceptable replacement.
I was gobsmacked to see this car pop on on my feed. My dad traded in my mom's 66 Impala SS and bought a Superbird. That's the car I learned how to drive in. I tried to take my driving test with it but the car was too long to fit in their parallel parking area. I ended yup using my dad's 66 Grand Prix for the driving test, still a big boat but it fit, if just barely. Thank you for this trip down memory lane!
I took my drivers test in a ‘76 Cadillac Eldorado w/ the 500 cid engine. Yes I flunked parallel parking & left turns. But passed the test overall. Sounds like you have a cool family of car lovers. My mom bought a new ‘65 Marina Blue Impala & my dad traded in his ’57 Chevy for a ‘65 Chevelle 327 4-speed.
@@michaelmaas5544 BaT shows past sales and so its obvious on the site which car hoovie bought especially with those wheels and the fact that only 6 superbirds sold recently
This is a great example of 1)why auction sites are such a risk and 2)you always pickup a car in person and do not pay for it until then. Auctions are not good because there is often not enough time to get a PPI. If you get a PPI, the seller will more than likely discuss the results in the listing, causing the price to get bid up even more (and you paid for that). If you want to protect yourself, especially with an auction car, go pick it up in person and only pay for it then. Had that been done here, Hoovie would have received the NASCAR memorabilia, but more importantly, been able to negotiate the price down even further. The seller CLEARLY misrepresented the condition of the car, which is a risky move at this price point as with the money paid for it, getting an attorney involved would be worthwhile. Sounds like Hoovie would have bought it anyway, but buying cars sight unseen is really risky.
It was definitely a risky move, but it's not worth getting a lawyer involved at this point. It's going to cost him around $3500 to get the car sorted out. I'm not sure if he could prove damages now that BaT gave him $5000 back.
I think you did very well on the deal. Put the factory style rally wheels back on it and throw those rims that are on it now into the nearest dumpster . They are hideous. Great car.
@@My-Pal-Hal that has a poorly 💩 thought out and executed maga force front system and a WTF back system as it feels like the parts canon 💥off ( i like the full length 1955 packerd T-bars/QA1 but that me ect. 2C ) and the oiling systems is?? 🤔🤦🏻♂. not my car but most of it isn't how i have mine 70 charger and yes im working on doing the 4.5"-crank hemi+TR6060*+8-3/4(3.2 gear) swap for brakes full willwood and a 91 jeep XJ hydro master cylinder 👌aka i skiped having a vacuum pump and im running turbocharged boost + lumpy high lift cam .600"+ and is a A/C 🚘ect. any other questions id be happy 😊to tell how mine is set up or others around me
Literally the car I've dreamed of. I've always loved the super bird and the more videos I see on youtube about them the more I love them. Thank you for bringing us this content TYLER. I know eventually you'll sell the bird and itll go to a good home but god knows I'd give my left arm and right leg for this bad girl.
This is a classic example of “buyer beware” as sketchy sellers abound. On the plus side folks love drama and watching Hoovie spend money, it’s all part of his shtick and it has made him some serious dinero, in business it’s called an investment and it appears to be working quite well. Personally I’d be suing that bastard.
I made the mistake 3 Years ago, almost 4. Bought a relatively rare bike (nowadays), in 'restored' condition and imported it. What arrived was a barely running piece of junk, so much so that the seller even painted over a 3cm thick mud layer (I wish I was kidding). I've obviously paid full price + shipping for it and now the bike is in my garage in pieces because finding part is sheer impossible and if I do they're very expensive. It's depressing because I love it but I can't see myself finishing it any time soon; might need a loan to finish the restoration. Contacted the seller about it but he changed his number and disappeared. It doesn't change anything about the rarity but about my wallet!
I almost bought a 1970 Plymouth Superbird, also with a 426 hemi, in 1984. I wish I had... It was pretty beat up, had exactly the same front suspension issue, had a recent white paint job (with tons of Bondo), the rear "frame" was rusted through, it was missing lots of pieces (like door locks, ignition lock, trunk lock, trim pieces, etc) and the owner had recently spent a few grand upgrading the motor (MSD ignition with rev limiter, new Holly carb, new "¾ race cam", new headers and exhaust, new very heavy clutch, etc.). He had a dyno printout showing 503 HP, which in 1984 was considered insane for a street car. Her was asking $2500. I offered $1500. He came back at $2000 and we never settled on a price. The reality was every penny to my name, at the time, was $1625 and he wouldn't take it. I did call him back after my next paycheck two weeks later, but he had sold it for $1750. $125 away from my offer...... It is very strange to see a second Superbird with the same suspension issue (although Hoovie's one is in much, much better condition). In the car I was trying to buy, the owner had installed lowering spindles that were so low the oil pan was scraping. He also mentioned his ¼ mile times suffered too, because the lowered car couldn't transfer weight like stock. By cranking up the front coilovers, so much the shocks were topped out, he said he was able to get close to his previous ¼ mile times and solve the oil pan scraping issue. The ride was unbelievably horrible, bouncing along just liked Hoovies car. I wonder if the same issues affected Hoovies car (oil pan scraping after lowering spindles were installed so the owner cranked the coilovers up all the way and beyond)?
I like how Hoovie pretends he cares about the cost of the repairs… he’s not even hitting 5% of the cost of the car ( not to mention he got the auction refund )
I know a very wealthy individual who has lost money before investing in helping people to try to start small businesses. He told me "if I lose fifty grand because your business I funded failed, I'll shrug it off. But if you try to beat me out of twenty bucks, I'll hunt you down and kill you". The moral of the story is that even wealthy people don't like getting fucked over. Despite what anyone thinks, most of them worked hard to get what they have and don't like getting screwed out of it.
The Miller American Buick Bobby Allison raced In NASCAR had gold painted wheels. The gold wheels Aero race wheels look excellent on the Superbird, much nicer than the stock plymouth rallye wheels. Coil overs modern steering rack, sway bars, Tremac transmission, remote oil cooler are all fine upgrades.
@@drippinglass Really it was the Charger 500 from 1969 since it used the same exact tunnel back plug to make the rear glass flush with the back of the roof line on the Charger. There was a few 1970's but they was the minority over the more aero built 500's in the series during the 1970 season. It was the inferiority of the 500 against the Talladega and Cyclone twins that the Daytona and Superbird was made.
What makes me sad is that you rightly feel the need to ask your viewers not to look the seller because there is already precedent for the seller to sue a UA-camr even though they did not identify the seller. So, we have a legal system that protects the person who has done the wrong system and victim into not even mentioning it to anyone for fear of being sued. That’s sad.
The legal system is fine in this case. Justice is not something to be enforced by random nutjob whatching some youtube videos. If Tyler wants justice, he should sue.
@@AI-qd4vb He bought a USED CAR. There is no guarantee on a used car, other than that it is guaranteed USED. It is "Buyer Beware" No one owes you a new car quality for a used car. No matter what the bimbo is willing to pay for it. You win some, you lose on most. That is the way it has always been. Yeah she is good at doing laundry and buying groceries but not someone I would fluck...or be able to boil water.(when buying women was legal)...which was like NEVER. You never buy sight unseen...unless you got cash to throw away. . I learned about how a car works(the mechanics) so I know what to look for and listen for odd sounds and the odors & general appearance. . Remember, the seller could just say "he knows nothing about cars and just sells them" He is in the "clear" shade tree mechanic.
@@AI-qd4vb my point is that Tyler could be sued if the seller feels that Tyler saying on UA-cam that the car was misrepresented caused people to stop dealing with him/her. Even if he doesn’t say the name of the seller and others work it out. It may be that the court action will fail, but it is still expensive to defend a lawsuit.
I'm actually a big fan of those 'Nascar D-Hole" wheels. They look the part on the car, and the fact that they are blinged-up a bit being gold, is actually nice. I wouldn't change them. So some things are right about the car. I think the builder tried, then ran out of money for a car of this level, then gave up.
Love it! Re-bodied, non matching, problematic, doesn’t matter, Superbird! If you sell this car, I will buy it! Subscribed to channel. Great content, cool dude.
The wheels are actually real race wheels. Round track guys use them, so they are "correct" for the car...sort of. Personally I would get rid of the vacuum actuators for the headlights and swap to electric ones. They work better and are more reliable.
@@SvenTviking it’s literally a restomod, the video explains that in detail. The suspension and engine are already new to the car. The heat and air is new to the car. The car had been wrecked and pieced together with another car. The value the car has at this point is that is was supposed to be a well done restomod and in this case, it needed work which is why BAT refunded $5k.
You would be absolutely dumb to go modifying a car like this at this point. You make the vacuum system work. Yes, removing it and going electric would STILL take tens of thousands off a car that in its current pieced together condition is ALREADY worth six figures and still going up.
Beautiful car! I'm sorry you have found so many problems. Dodge used to use a plastic vacuum ball that gave kind of a "reservoir" for the vacuum. My 1992 Dodge Dakota had one. The vacuum pump is a ridiculous add-on, especially hearing it over the rumble of all that muscle!
You should invest in some fierce VIN investigation while also hiring an expert in the car to examine the body panels and frame to make sure it's not a glorified kit car. Only if it all checks out should you sink money into it. Should there be any fraud present, then save that money for legal action.
The majority of stuff on the car looks very nicely done, I’m just surprised the roll cage they put in was bent with a muffler bender, kinking the tube at the bends instead of using a mandrel bender.
hi radiators u cannot overfill !! Frontend and rear suspension check shocks and springs minimum , Wheel alignment will change when ride height is changed . vacuum sensor not working . U have a piston pump a rotary pump is way way quieter . Fan mounting is on a plate SO WRONG Needs to have a spacing of at least 5/8 so the fans draw air flow thru all the core Fans that donot cover all the rad core need high air speed flaps Fans need to be at least 12inch upto 14 inch 20amps each I strongly doubt all ths has been done properly . Sender units temperature need to be checked with a resister and earthed. Check by have radiator temp thermometer at least varify temp at idle rpm oil temp change sender . Check with master gauge straight into oil gallery Fuel gauge check with resister between sender wire and ground
Awesome video. Looks like performance project car problems for the most part. The incorrectly preloaded coilovers is a rookie mistake, I’m sure there are a few of us who turned our cars into pogo sticks accidentally not knowing what we were doing.
In the Mopar muscle car world you have to be careful using the word “rebody”. To many Mopar guys that means that the VIN from the dashboard and under hood fender tag were taken off an unfixable car and placed on a different shell. This is not good and would be fraud and illegal. I would be curious to know how much of the car was replaced in the wreck. If it was front fender, door, quarter panel and maybe the lower floor and door jamb I wouldn’t be as concerned as long as the work is high quality. I would not consider that repair a rebody. You have to be careful that the original dash VIN and fender tag and even the build sheet are reproductions. There is a whole cottage industry where new tags and documents can be made. This can be kind of a gray area if there isn’t proper documentation. I once had a 1974 Challenger 360 that was missing the fender tag but I had the original build sheet. I had a company make a reproduction fender tag because all the information was on the build sheet. But sometimes people will want to add or change option codes on the fender tag to make their car more desirable and worth more money. Mopars actually have a lot of information on the fender tag and build sheet about how the car was built compared to Ford or GM. But you really have to know what you are looking at and do research.
You can look up what the car came with originally and make sure a xp29 charger hasn't been changed to a xs29 which is a RT charger. Or rarer yet a XX29 charger which is a Daytona one.
@@ArthurTugwell What Fiddler said, but here it means private parties reproducing original documents and tags. At best these are faithful reproductions of what SHOULD be with the car had it not been lost to time; but at worst it's counterfeit documentation to make a common car seem to be a rare one. If you watch the people who certify the authenticity of a vehicle they not only look at the documents and tags, they check to see if they've been tampered with and also look for other features that indicate the car is really the one that goes with them. For example, a car that was born as a Hemi car has certain reinforcements made to the suspension and body. Most fraudsters don't know about it, or else don't care enough to take it that far.
Had you shown me those wheels alone and said you were putting them on a Superbird I would have laughed. But mysteriously they work. They work very well in fact.
Due to the seller screwing him over in a few ways, he ended up saving money overall, that's interesting. I imagine the auction site would particularly want to make this content creator happy, rather than other people, but yea very cool.
Not at all. Spending that kind of money on a car and not inspecting it first, he screwed himself. Besides that all the crap he's complaining about isn't original anyway, it's just run of the mill 'car stuff'. If the issues he had with it had any impact on the cars 'status' which is 99% of it's value, then he may have a legitimate complaint.
@@Anubis78250 - Well he was going to buy the car either way and fix whatever he needed to. So it's not screwing himself either way. From the video it seems like he might have had to get in quick with the purchase, or maybe the car was far away and had to get transported to him or something along these things. I don't think the option to go and inspect it was really there. Not that I think it really matters to him either way. The car had a good number of dodgy things going on. Some are okay, some are less okay (like the supposed "tyre adjustment" that needed to be done). The point is that they weren't disclosed, even after some things were disclosed (after the purchase, which is already dodgy). These things should be disclosed regardless of whether they impact of value of the car or not. Sometimes a bunch of weird issues can signify that the owner is pretty dodgy and that the car might actually be in very rough shape, and can lead you to not trust them as far as the purchase goes.
you know car wizard is good when hes told to compress the suspension, he uses the engine bay, not the guards. hoovie, please stop doing that, you will warp/dent the panels.
you are not alone with BAT. They are a stand up organization. They had to do the same for me when the Antique MG I bought that was "show condition" ended up having a totally crap engine. $8,000 later I have a running functioning car but it still has many more wiring issues that need to be sorted.
Someone should have an auction site that actually handles the transaction shipping and guarantee the description of the car. I’ve bought many cars online and it’s always scary.
Not sure how accommodating they would have been if Hoovie hadn't been a famous youtuber. Lots of companies are really reasonable if you have the power to hurt their reputation.
I like this idea. BAT should just go full service, and include a full inspection + photos + video + documentation review with every listing. Buyer confidence would go through the roof.
Cool car , I like the gold wheels for some reason even though it took some testies to make that unique decision lol. It’s good you tell people about the way car deals really work online. You really can’t loose bc the worse it is the more views you get , but that doesn’t work for everyone. Great video and good luck with your channel, stay humble.
The wizard is right about the front shocks. As it is, the adjustable threaded spring purchases were adjusted to raise the front up, but the shocks (dampers) ran out of travel, as they are against the internal droop limiters. The guy before probably kept jacking on the spring purchases, but since the shocks were already against the droop limiters, it jacked up the spring preload. This basically locked the front end so the suspension would not move and the only spring/damping was in the tire sidewall. Not a good setup. Needs socks with longer shafts to get the suspension travel where it needs to be with the desired ride height.
For how nice of shape that car is in, the sorting out of gremlins are just minor hurdles. With these old cars, body is everything. You're always better off taking a mint body/frame with some running issues over something that runs perfectly but needs time and (lots of) money in a body shop.
I think hoovie should get this thing to someone who really knows about these to see what is original. And if it for sure is a real big block super bird. It would be good content regardless!
I recall seeing these new in the showroom on Santa Monica Blvd. as a 15 yr old kid and thinking "what a silly looking car" . Of course I wasn't yet privy to the racing scene and the necessity of looking the way it did. I only wish now that I'd been able to talk my father into buying one of those rather than the 1965 Sattilites with the 318 2 bbl he did buy new and later became my first car. It's ironic that just one checked box and a coupla hundred Xtra dollars at that time, for instance when buying the 65 sattilite if he'd checked the 426 hemi or the cross ram engine, it now is a difference not of a coupla hundred but a coupla hundred thousand. Lol
I would like to note that the auction site that I purchased this car from has been very helpful through the process, and went above and beyond to refund the $5000 buyer commission they made. I would certainly keep buying from there, but in the end, they are reliant upon the sellers to provide accurate information to create their listings. They are just a go-between, BUT do way more to help their customers than Ebay or many other big auction sites.
Good to hear
Sounds like Wizards quote was about perfect trade to make sure it was sorted by him in the end 👍🏽
Since inspecting the underside didn't reveal signs of the rebuilding, how certain are you that this is an actual superbird and not just a nose cone, wing, and vin plate slapped on a regular roadrunner? I'm worried you might have gotten screwed more than you think
@@badopinionsrighthere It was disclosed both at Barrett-Jackson when this car sold in 2010 and here that the floor and drivers side door was replaced among other things, so it would make sense that we don't see any thing. The vast majority of restored 60's-70's Mopars had rust issues with these kinds of things replaced, yet we don't call them partial re-bodies?
CrypticPortal I have great experience on eBay. Never buy something that looks to good to be true.
For those that lasted until the end of the video, I want to shart by saying thank you so much for watching. I am really looking forward to making more skid marks and stomping the gas once this super bird is sorted, with it's horn tooting mightily!
Your autocorrect turned Start into Shart Hoovie.
Might want to edit that ;)
Shart. Oops!
That was too funny. I literally rewound to see if I heard what I thought I heard...
I'd shart by making less skid marks in your drawers and make more with the Hemi lol! Gotta love autocorrect!
Also, Wizard's poot at 26:41 got me lol!
@@bakabana8969 could just be a joke considering what happened at around 26:40 🤣
Not disclosing the issues is one thing but stealing the memorabilia that was supposed to come with it was pretty low!
Yeah that's bullshit, and blaming the shipper for it is even worse. If the seller wanted to keep them why not just list it with the car, I doubt it would have made a huge difference to the price.
Hoovie should sue that asshole. You cant sell a car for 130k who rides and runs that bad.
Yep
This is so low u have visit or send a visiter.....does anyone think this would pass if it happened in 70s?...I promise this would correct itself
"...but PLEASE don't go and look him up on 'bring a trailer' and harrass him, that's capital 'B' then r, i, n, g then a space then 'a' then the word 'trailer'..."
Thank you for sharing your experience of buying a car this way. I've learned a few things from it. After hearing about your experience, If I ever buy a car that has extra provinence included with it, like this one was supposed to, I would have the seller box it up and ship it to me separately with a tracking number. It's too bad the seller was a d-bag, and ruined your experience. It's still a solid car you ended up with.
The fact that David compressed the suspension by pressing in the inner fender and not the exterior fender shows his experience.
no one ever said the car wizzard is dumb...dull maybe but not dumb
For a short moment I thought “Who is David??”… I can only remember him as WEEEEZAAAARD.
@@ThijsSchnater David Copperfield is his real name. hince the weezaaard name
Alterkation front ends are shit.
@@ThijsSchnater Who is WeeeZaaard?
How is no one talking about 26:42 when the wizard dealt with his own compressed gas. Tyler held it together like a champ!
Beautiful car and nothing but love for you both!
Yes ok I am not crazy when I heard that.
I was asking myself if that was what I thought that was
The wizard got excited and opened up his internal vacuum pump.
Wizard’s meep meep works!
I took it back 3 times to make sure I heard it right...then watched Tyler's face turn SO red! How they kept their composure is beyond me!
I love how Hoovie doesn't need to call an uber when he drops off a car because he always has something else waiting for him at the shop.
Except for the first time.
It's all scripted. He knows well in advance what cars are ready.
@@stevenf927 I'm aware. He waits to drop something off when something else is ready. Nonetheless, he's always got at least 5 cars at the wizard's lol...
@@stevenf927 wow you’re a genius
I absolutely enjoy the calm discussion between you two. So much better than the ranting that we usually hear from mechanics. Instead of bashing the previous owner, etc. you just move on and do what you can to fix it. I get so much more info and enjoyment from it. Thanks!
An online car sale with false and omitted details? How could this ever happen?! 😐
i will never trust what i read on the internet again, so disapointed
@@breakshot7451 I think the two spam replies prove you're wrong. 😉 Oops! it's now four spam replies!
I am aghast.
@@mistersquirrel0 Ahhh. The wonderfull smell of robots in the morning. (or, whatever time it is) The darkweb is casting shadows like the moon on tera!
@@mistersquirrel0 but, but maybe there is a beautiful sex slave who wants me, in my neighborhood, don t you think
The people who sell these cars should have their money held for at least five days until the buyer has time to check all the things that the seller stated that was ok . If he lied then he does not get paid and the car is returned, and is banned from selling the car at any other auction
Good idea!
Buyers need to do pre purchase inspections
That's called escrow and even buying drugs off the dark web will have that but not a cat buying site? The world's crazy.
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Then all the risk would be on the seller - who would want to sell a car when the buyer can drive it for a week and then come up with any excuse to bring it back and transfer all the costs of the transaction back to you. Or take it to the track and break it and then return it for a full refund. If you are buying a car you go look at it yourself or have someone you trust go look at it, especially when it costs 6 figures.
A lot of people here do not know mopars. This is a 70, the vin is stamped into the radiator core support, also its under the rubber of the trunk seal. Easy to check. IF they started with a standard roadrunner then they would have had to swap out the entire rear window plug. Look for the factory brackets in the trunk for the wing. Look for the factory limiters welded to the trunk hinges so the trunk does not hit the wing. As for vacuum the pump is where the battery used to be. On the factory car there is a "can" under the battery tray that was a vacuum reservoir. Even if you have a fairly wild cam it will work. Only when you hit the extreme it will need the pump. My guess as this was a race car there was no can and a wild cam. So their answer was to slap a pump on it. The entire front suspension is non stock. It has an aftermarket K member so there is no torsion bars. That's why it has coil overs. It DOES have the factory boxes in the rear suspension that only came on hemi cars and verts. I'm armchairing this is a real car with extensive reconstruction. But 5 minuets of hands on research would verify that.
Hello fellow Mopar guy, I thought the same on checking all the stamped vins as well. The BaT listing is a bit concerning, though - "This 1970 Plymouth Superbird is said to have been crashed in a race in the 1970s, and it was reconstructed with parts sourced from a Road Runner during a three-year refurbishment that concluded in 2009." - Makes me think it IS in fact a vin swap, and the body-stamped panels will tell the story. Hope it to not be the case...
VIN comes back as a 69 GTX
This guy sounds like Graveyard Cars, awesome post❗❗
You just answered my question, I just hadn't seen it yet.
My thoughts on the vacuum/canister were the same as yours as well.
@@twRage96 And you believe that BS story?
I'm amazed that someone who owned a real Superbird could still be such a hack.
Someone with money can own anything they want. Even a hack with money. I've found through experience that most very wealthy individuals lack the common sense that the rest of us have.
Likely the guy bought the car already done and the guy before built it and sold it without driving it. The new owner likely fixed issues with the fresh build cheaply as they came up.
Frankly I'm worried that it's not the actual superbird, but instead a VIN plate swapped on to a roadrunner. I would have no faith in the seller or anything they have vouched for. Especially since inspecting the underside didn't reveal signs of the rebuilding, I would want to make sure this is the actual car you paid for
yeah, looks like a fake aftermarket body on a completely different chassis.
Guy's probably sold the same car several times, cashing in big on each.
Yea I also think so
Hello. The car is in the registry. You have no idea what your talking about.
Agreed, I would 100 percent dig deep into that to verify it. That was the first thing I thought when looking at the bottom of it, too.
I'm convinced that's actually what it is, the real superbird was probably scrapped. If hoovie can prove it that guy is in huge trouble.
Tyler, the areas of the frame you were inspecting around the 19 minute mark are actually aftermarket subframe connectors. The Mopar unibodies of this era never had anything frame-wise running under the passenger compartment. Looks like a pretty nice kit was put in, rear torque boxes were added to the rockers as well. That chassis is definitely strong now, a definite requirement for that modified Hemi.
I cannot currently remember whether the superstock cars had full sub frame connectors on it, I'm thinking that they did because the engine actually sits further back in the superstock cars than it did on the stock cars. I know this because the actual balance was 45 percent rear to 55% front. It was as close to a 50-50 balance front rear has Chrysler ever made I do believe. Large torque boxes would have been stock on all Hemi cars and all convertibles. Front suspension appears completely aftermarket.
@@44hawk28 You are correct superbird superstock cars did have a full sub frame connectors.
@@44hawk28 Where are the torsion bars?
The whole K member is aftermarket, tortion bars replaced with coilovers, the steering box was replaced with a rack and pinion, the upper and lower control arms are aftermarket tubular, and what looks to be a Wilwood brake kit.
All Hemi cars, 6 pack cars (including TA Challengers and AAR Cuda’s) and all convertibles had factory torque boxes. Hemi cars also had special snubber reinforcement plates so the rear ends didn’t tear a hole in the floor under repeated launches. Hemi cars also had extra steel rectangular inserts with holes for bolts to pass through where the front leaf spring brackets mounted and they had triangular rear frame rail reinforcements welded in back where the rear spring shackles mount. All those things should be present if it’s a real car, but the assembly lines were notorious for quality control issues, so they sometimes missed a thing or two. And as mentioned, that car has aftermarket subframe connectors welded in snd thats one thing ALL Mopars can use. Greatly stiffens up the car. With all my chassis reinforcements on my Cuda, I can Jack the front corner up and the rear follows, yet I can still open snd close my door perfectly. Before the reinforcements, the door sagged so much it wouldn’t even close, the body flexed so much.
The seller sounds like a scammer, good on BaT for taking accountability and doing the right thing.
135k instead isn't all that bad.
@Oskar Dirlewanger 🤦♂️🤦♂️😭
ye its definetely not the last owner who restored it
@Oskar Dirlewanger I asked over on BAT for the trunk gutter VIN. No response. That told me everything I needed to know.
He should have mailed all the paperwork and souvenirs separately as I've done in the past. Seller sounds really fishy.
Thanks for making me feel better about my own recent hooptie purchase, a 1995 Buick Riviera. I can't wait to see more Superbird updates!
I love that car!
This really brings back memories. A friend of mine had a green Hemi Superbird back in high school. I find it interesting to see what parts look familiar and what clearly wasn't on the original car. That chin spoiler was impossible to keep from getting dinged. The headlights had a canister of about half a gallon with vacuum so that you could open and close the lights two or three times with the engine off before they stayed permanently open. I was counting the leaf springs at the rear to verify that the passenger side had more than the driver side. The original car had torsion bars, so adjusting the ride height was a simple matter of turning one bolt on each side. The car would look better with the original shape of exhaust tips. I want to keep following this story.
Good catches, Scott. One of my cars is a 1982 Corvette that still has the pop-up headlights working fine, original. Have never heard a peep, maybe electrical more than vacuum. Never had any reason to look since they work fine. You saying the rear springs were not paired, but different for the original car? That would be a new fact in our books, but it might make sense with the torque imbalances. Big Car. Yes, the front end was always dinged because when you pulled into a parking spot you always over-shot it forgetting you had that front nose. Please share more of your thoughts here in the coming weeks. Love it, my friend.
Hemi supervised in High school? Damn was he rich or where cars cheap?
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@@alveyjohn The spring packs differing was all about NASCAR and not about torque of the engine. Cornering load going left puts more load on the right of the car. Gotta love the homologation cars and all the silly stuff that make them fast in the series they raced but piss poor road cars.
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"I bought the cheapest Superbird" "There's so much wrong with it" That's probably why it was the cheapest lol Great video as always!!
It wasn’t the cheapest he said
I'd absolutely report the seller to BaT, because that's about 100 miles past the line of reasonable 'minor details' missing from an auction listing. Hell, my overly pessimistic side would be sorely tempted to look into legal action (against the seller, not BaT, to be clear) to recover some of your expenses here.
/updated text a bit after reading Hoovie's reply
Hoovie got hosed
The auction house has been great through all of this. Refunded their fee and did take some action on the seller. In the end, though, they are just a go-between that is reliant upon the seller providing accurate information.
They are literally an auction listing site, and it's worse because they curate their auctions to be cosmetically acceptable. If you have something that is valuable, but looks trashy, bringatrailer won't List It. This is in part on the seller for being a scammer, but also for bringatrailer not doing their homework. I have always looked at bring a trailer as a curated money-laundering site. Cars there typically go for much higher than street value, and much higher than any other auction site. There have been many horror stories about people that bought cars bring a trailer, and found out later they had been scammed, and bring a trailer will not take responsibility, even though they had some function in curating the auction, because you can't just list anything on bring a trailer.
@@HooviesGarage I feel like these cars with issues are the ones that go down in value during a downturn in the markets when only the more pristine ones retain or increase in value. I know this from my days collecting vintage guitars. Anyway, hope things turn out well with this one. Best of luck!
@@HooviesGarage Ah, I see. Good to know BaT's folks are being responsive and assisting you in this matter though. Looking forward to seeing this rare bird get all sorted out! :)
And thanks for the reply of course. Hope you and yours have a Happy Holidays.
i just found out about this channel, and so far its pure comedy gold. love it!
I have no idea why someone would put in a vaccume pump to operate the headlights when an aftermarket electric motor for the Superbird headlights is available, one for a dodge charger is $600. Also you know you have a car problem when you can't remember what expensive car you've bought and are underneath
Can we stop with the comments leading to adult websites, please..... It's really annoying. We all know it's gonna lead to a virus....on your phone or PC
Nothing was said but I'm wondering if the pump(s) is also for the power brakes.
@@xsleep1 and air conditioning. Those are the 3 big vac draws in these cars. Headlights, brakes, ac.
@@illegalmachine that is true, all this old cars utilized the natural vaccume of the engine for a lot of things
@@harleyrobertson6746 report them
A couple things I'm seeing. The front suspension has been taken out and replaced with a tubular set-up instead of the torsion bars. Framerail connectors were added. The beams that run under the car parallel to the doors are not stock, but this is kind of a common thing to add to a modified Mopar to stiffen the chassis. It looks like adjustable traction bars have been added to the rear end, they aren't needed on a Mopar.
Front nose is probably fiberglass
Had some janky wheel hop from a start as well
Did you know you were getting a car with a complete aftermarket coilover front suspension and rack and pinion steering? Great if you were looking to go resto-mod. NOT great if you thought you were getting an original Superbird!!!
Frame rail connectors? Doesn't that car have a full perimeter frame?
@@dieselyeti Nope... came from the factory as a unitized body. This one has a lot of additional steel welded in.
Hello Tyler, Do you actually believe that someone would leave a valuable signed item in the vehicle and all visible before shipping it in a carrier? What a crook that seller is.
Yes, an honest seller would have put loose items in a box in the trunk. And would have disclosed the many issues with the car.
Should have been boxed up discreetly in the trunk, labeled, spare fan shroud
$3,400 to fix the car and make it enjoyable to drive is an absolute bargain. Hopefully as you start putting miles on it nothing else rears it's ugly head. Oh, and the gold wheels rock. Reminiscent of the gold wheels some NASCAR teams used back then.
@Rob A. Stamped steel wheels can be painted gold.
@@davelowets I believe they were actually of the lotusodelltoid type to effectively reduce side fumbling.
fun fact! The real track raced versions of these cars are easily identifiable. they were so low in the front, and so raked, with an extreme wheel and tire package, that that the top of the fender had to be cut out. Leading to the scoop you see in the center of the fender. the production cars built for sale to the general public, had the scoop, but not the fender cut out. there was no reason for them to be cut as they had a different wheel, tire, suspension package entirely.
Good stuff @Hoovies Garage, thanks for the honesty and documenting this from a buyers/clients prospective. it is very enlightening to hear as a builder. Happy Holidays!
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A fun fact disclosed in the previous video.....
It was actually used to let air out. The misnomer of it being for the tire rub is just false.
@@mattg7952 Fiction. It was to let air out. NOT tire rub.
@@rickyrudd28texacohavolinef2 not according to richard petty. i watched an interview in about 92, where he disclosed this.
You always handle these situations in a commendable way, even though I know how frustrating they can be. Congratulations on another awesome car though! I have always liked these.
He wasn’t very nice to the car wizard when he oil changed his AMG with trans fluid 😂😂💀
He spent 130.000 dollars sight unseen!
He's happy it has issues, it's all content..
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That floor makes me think it was a complete rebody (Vin Swap)...you need to check the secret Vin numbers on the driver side trunk drain. (Under the water seal on the driver side) Also the radiator support will have the other hidden vin. Also look to see if either of those parts (the radiator support or that part of the rear trunk) look like they have been "fiddled with". High probability it was a total rebody. I'd also get rid of that remote oil filter...too many 1 dollar parts that can fail and kill your engine.
Agreed. I would want a Mopar expert to check over the details of a high dollar car. I find it hard to believe a hemi four speed bird is hacked together like that in light of it's value and rarity
@@mattg7952 I honestly have no idea what it takes to be put on the superbird registry. How do you know it was verified and by whom, Galen Glovier? That floor looks completely replaced and thus sketchy.
@Ben Jones I am aware of AMD and several companies that make new floors, but a partial floor replacement and a total replacement is a significant difference and aside from all the other things he wasnt told, id be sure I had a real superbird
@@mattg7952 Well, the vin tag may be listed on the registry... I'm not even sure if there is a registry for these cars that's universally recognized. I find it real hard to believe a hemi 4 speed car got resto modded. A "racing'" super bird street car? If it was NASCAR, ARCA or USAC stock, there would be a paper trail adding to it's value. Bring a trailer has sold a few 440 birds that were well documented for more than what this car went for. At one time, though maybe not now, someone would have paid that money for a documented hemi 4 speed wreck to give a rotisserie restoration. I still stand by my opinion that he didn't get the car he thought he bought
In the vid they say this was a partial rebody.
These videos are usually so annoying with too much joviality and not enough car, but I LOVED the way the repair bill was open, public and broken down - great stuff
The reason why the seller is avoiding you is probably because he bought that during the last peek and was hoping it would continue to go up and up and up in value. He lost money on his "investment" and/or he realized he was probably going to die before the next peak.
Hold onto it Hoovie! Cars have only been around for like a hundred years. It will be interesting to see how these dips and peaks continue to play out as the era's roll on by.
Haven't the 20s and 30s high value cars dipped in value?
@@geepuller1 not anything insane like an authentic Dussenberg model J , Rolls-Royce phantom , or Mercedes SSK. Those things are beyond unobtainium .
I'm not really into the market of 70s supercars - but isn't a restomod worth substantially less then a genuine 70s car? This should not be a bully - I just want to know, could a well done restomod like this still could get into the 6 figure value, even with a bad title - I assumed this was bonkers.
@@marcus_w0 Yes but restomods were really popular 15'ish years ago. Every TV show had them. It makes sense how someone could do that to a salvage titled car.
@@geepuller1 I think American cars from that era has hit their lowest point and from here on up the bubble grows till the next pop. Once you start seeing a bunch of TV shows you'll know it's time.
If only you had a great mechanic to perform a pre-purchase inspection on your purchases!
Just kidding Hoovie, we love your content for this exact reason.
Actually, it would be pretty cool to see the Wizard make a trip out with Hoovies to do a pre-purchase inspection. But otoh, I'm sure that would be a huge logistical challenge for Wizard's shop too.
Is the Superbird club (registry?) a reliable resource for this car's history? Shouldn't the VIN be stamped on various locations on the frame, etc.? I think Hoovie going through the process he used to prevent being completely scammed would be a good lesson for those who might want to purchase something like this.
Vin would be on the radiator core support and the trunk seam around where the weather stripping is. It has some important things that make it look legit. The back glass and the torque boxes for the leaf springs are important details that say it’s legit. There are only 1500 of these ever so it’s not hard to track if it’s real or that the vin came from a real one at least.
A lot of Superbirds don’t have the rad support #. They all have the trunk gutter #. The VIN is legit.
There should be a fender tag on the driver front fender that can be decoded.
@@digitalrailroader the fender tag is the easiest thing to fake.
@@LittleHippie09 I noticed that the tag on Hoovie’s has been riveted to the inner fender, and watching Graveyard Carz and seeing that the factory used screws, something seems extremely suspicious about this car.
That car is awesome. Minor issues for a car in that good of shape. The $5k you were refunded should take care of that work easily. The missing memorabilia sucks though.
Seller was and is a real 1OO% pos. An embarrassment to REAL lifetime Mopar collectors.
Having been a Dodge, Chrysler, Plymouth technician through the 1970's building MoPaR's to current, this Plymouth should have been inspected by someone with vast technical knowledge with Chrysler products. I would have personally flown to the location and inspected this car. I would have taken it to a shop and rented a lift to do an inspection on this vehicle and I would have gone through it with a bore scope along with a body and frame magnet and led light before making a purchase. I have done this for many people to include vehicles that I have purchased. Short of buying a new vehicle I would not buy any vehicle without doing this.
Yeah, but when you have money, and your intent is to show this very thing, why would he?
The fact that he got a 'titled' superbird is all that matters.
Everything else is academic.
He will get every penny back, and then some.
I believe he is just earning a dime on the education and entertainment of others.
But hey, your sales pitch is spot on.
@@tonyincs A "Salvaged" Title!
Obviously good points for a normal collector. But in this case being a car bought specifically to make a video with for a 1.33 million subscriber UA-cam channel, he can take the risk and not do what you suggested because any problems the car comes with is a topic for a new video. I mean, it's been a week and the video already has 1.1 million views.
It really is irrelevant what is wrong with it. How many of these are left? Pay up and be happy about it. -- Mopar owner.
Agreed. Or even a person with ANY car experience could have spotted 75% of the assorted issues with this car.
I'd ditch the vacuum pumps altogether and run a vacuum reservoir instead and see how the brakes & headlights operated before shelling out $1500 for another pump.
Yep. The pump is BS. All you need is a functioning vacuum tank/system and a line from the engine.
Tyler, you are right about KARMA. Your videos are so widely watched, it will be on the screen of someone who knows eventually. You simply don't hide bright orange SUPERBIRDS from everyone, and relatives, friends, neighbors, etc. know who and where. You have the right KARMA, enjoy your SUPERBIRD and let your videos do the rest for you. Good Luck man!!!
The problem with Karma is you are very lucky to see it occur even when it does.
I live near Philadelphia, PA and bought a classic Honda motorcycle from a seller in Texas. Very low mileage for a 20 year old sport bike (5100), and he did send pics galore upon my request. Funny how those pics didn't show any of the damages. Bike had fallen over at one point and the body panels along with the mufflers suffered because of it along with MANY scratches and chips in the paint. With shipping I invested $8100 for a motorcycle that was worth no more than $4500. Nothing I could do about it so I have "licked my emotional wounds" and have decided to do a complete restoration on it this Summer.
Obviously not in the same league as this Superbird situation , but I know how sellers can be total liars and scammers. I will NEVER again buy ANY vehicle I don't look over in person. Lesson learned.
The issues seem relatively minor, making the lack of transparency seem totally pointless. BaT definitely came out on the right side of this with the refunded commission. Congrats on the birb, Tyler!
I agree with your comment the issues aren't horrible most people that own these cars now buy them as investments believe me Mopars aren't driven like they used to be if they get driven at all driving to the car shows in warm no rain days don't come close to slamming from neutral into drive at 4000 I wouldn't doubt if this bird wasn't bought at a good deal or a guy wanting a return on investment and may not of even went over it may have never touched the bird listed it as it was as he acquired it or bought and hadn't gone over it and needed to raise cash and listed as it was what I'm trying to say is alot of these cars are bought and sold as a commodity not for the love of these amazing butties
@@duwanemcknight8842 I wanted to share these with you . . . . . . . you can use them where needed. If you need more, I have plenty.
Yeah, but if you spent $130,000 on a car you'd be annoyed if Information got left out. Lol
A $500 car, you expect it
A $130k car they better be more transparent than prescription glasses! Lol
To me, the lack of disclosure that the front suspension is non-existent is a significant one. Just my view.
Don’t forget the few grand worth of vintage nascar and petty stuff that “disappeared”. I would have lost my shit on this deal.
Unless you’re rich, never buy a car sight unseen. At the minimum, get a pre-purchase inspection done and independent inspection, less you like paying too much for a sham
I disagree, it all depends on the situation and what your buying. It’s obvious that the best scenario would be able to look at it or have it evaluated but even that’s not fool proof. Problem don’t always jump out at you and can rear their ugly head as time goes on and at the end of the day your still trusting someone else’s word with a pre-purchase inspection and not everyone has the same agenda as you. Your increasing your odds but it’s still a gamble. Again yes those are all best things to do if the situation allows but sometimes you need to jump on a deal and take that gamble. Point of all this is If you are willing to accept the consequences if things go south then more power to you. A person doesn’t have to be “RICH” to do that and it not be “paying too much for a sham”. With all due respect In a way this speaks more about you than it does the car practice of buying car. We all look at the world differently. 😬
He got $5,000 back for a few faulty shocks and other bs
@@jaydoesstuff9807 should be asking for 50k back
Don’t think of it as the car having lots of problems, think of it as the car coming with lots of extra content.
Its got all the DLCs
His formula for success.
He's said it before: if he buys a car that's super nice then he gets a super nice car. If he gets a piece of junk then he makes money on the content. So it's a no lose situation
Well said!!! He'll make money on the U tubes videos on trying to make this fake hot rod run.🏎️🏁
Sorry to hear about your experience. Your story is a perfect reason why we offer and preform very detailed and digitally recorded pre-purchase inspections that all goes to the prospective buyer. Over the last 30 plus years we have seen countless people bring in a vehicle that they bought in a similar fashion only to learn that what they bought is not what they thought they were buying. Any reputable seller will have no problem letting you have an independent third party professional inspection. Just because an inspection discovers deficiencies doesn't mean the sale still can't go through it only means the buyer has a higher level of transparency and knows what they're getting into. Plus the inspection can work as a negotiating tool so that both parties can win in the transaction.Thanks again for sharing your story.
This is the perfect way to buy an amazing car like this: It's no longer "pure" so it's not really collectible so it's cheaper to buy, and then it's already not stock so you can modify it and make it handle, stop, and drive like you want! I say Bravo!
Couldn't agree more. I have no interest in the obsession with absolute original. That would only make me not want to drive it. I'd rather buy a mediocre Satellite, plop a crate hemi into it, and build it to my tastes.
@@VanceMacdonald Yes! I have an automatic alert on bring a trailer for C4 Corvette's. From time to time you'll see like "172 mile 1993 ZR 1" and I just think "Man someone could have driven and loved that car!" Instead someone just looked at that car…for 25 years!?
Exactly this. When it's no longer "pure" go bananas and really make it your own!
@@VanceMacdonald yessir!
Crank the torsion bars back down. And yes,it it very adjustable.Oh,they took them out for the coil-overs. Poor car! Oh,by the way you did very well with the purchase. It's been fairly extensively modded but they aren't getting any cheaper and last I looked they ain't making any more so enjoy and keep the shiny side up!
Did the Wizard really just "toot" his own horn at 26:41 after he said horn? You can even hear him strain to do it.... Huge kudos to both of them for not breaking character lol
Watch Hoovies face! He is trying to hold it in which Wizard obviously did not!!!🤣🤣
It’s got the hemi torque boxes the Dana (and a lot of after market stuff that a normal person wouldn’t swap out the original parts if it were an original hemi super bird) But unless it’s a a mess under the nice paint,seems like a decent deal . I’d find a hemi 4speed and an original suspension etc etc if it’s an original hemi super bird car.
Hoovies face @ 26:47......lmao!
When I was 14 years old I saw both Plymouth Superbirds and Dodge Daytonas race at Dover Downs in Delaware. Richard Petty won the race in a Superbird. Richard's teammate was Buddy Baker who broke the 200 MPH barrier at Talladega in a Dodge Daytona. I have always loved these cars. There were several other drivers that drove either the Daytona or Superbird at Dover during that race. Interestingly, I remember sitting in the stands and closing my eyes. To me, the Superbirds and Daytonas sounded so much smoother than the other cars and even with my eyes closed I could tell when one passed the front stretch. A side note: I learned firsthand why Richard Petty was called King Richard. He was the epitome of a sports hero and would seemingly stand patiently until everyone got an autograph. I will always have a high regard for the man. Perhaps you could send him a letter requesting that he sign the cover for your glove compartment. Good luck and God Bless.
LET'S GO BRANDON
Hes dead
I remember clearly the first time I saw one of these. My dad was a massive Chrysler and general car fan, he was also a fighter pilot in USAF. We'd drive around and if he saw something interesting in the rearview mirror, he'd give me this comedic fighter pilot type Bogie approaching from 6 oclock> speed approximately 75 mph etc etc. He always made me say roger- acknowledged. Anyhow, one day he got super excited (even more than, when we saw an original Mercedes gullwing 300SL) So as this Superbird goes by it was literally like what I imagine seeing a UFO for the first time would be like. I was absolutely gobsmacked by that front end and that gigantic wing. Cars back then didn't have "spoilers" back then, so it was utterly fantastic to see. He rattled off everything he knew about that car, which was just about everything. This was before the internet. He was constantly reading car, science, tech magazines and books. He was an aeronautic engineer by education and sometimes it seemed like he knew everything. Unfortunately, my dad my hero passed away December 23rd as we were getting ready to kick off into Kuwait for the 1st Gulf war. Anyhow, that car is like a movie in my mind. After I left the USMC I was lucky enough to get a job working in Silicon Valley tech and several successful starts ups later I can buy absolutely any car I want, so I may need to get one of these. Miss you Dad.
Your ole’man sounds like an amazing soul
Loved reading your story I met the super bird at the international auto show in Chicago 1970 with my dad he’s been gone over 30 years still my favorite Mopar
Love how the wizard actually looks like he is processing after he tastes the oil, like some sort of cyborg mechanic. Not my type of car but extremely impressive nonetheless.
Hoovie might wanna get a paint thickness measurement tool out. With so many hidden mechanical flaws i wouldn't be too surprised if half the body work is just filler.
That's what I was telling one guy in here. If I was spending more than 10k on old cars I'd have one
I'd be willing to bet that this car is going to offer a ton more, uh... "content" in the future.
Perfect occasion to bring Dennis Collins to verify it authenticity. Wouldn't be surprised, if it's a glorified replica. Maybe with some Superbird original panels with the VIN numbers, but with a new custom sub frame, or using a Plymouth Road Runner as the starting canvas. That mint condition floor panels are very suspect. Plus the mods as the tubular front suspension.
You got it , the floor panels smell too clean look foreign.....
@@johnb4183 exactly. The sub frame seem also spotless. As it was brand new. Wouldn't be surprised the race incident, was an excuse to cover up the rebuild. Using a brand new sub frame with some original Superbird panels. Maybe using a magnet could be the starting point to check all the panels. And bring up a Superbird Expert to check it out.
Hemi cars never had A/C and the dash is from a factory A/C car. This car is pretty fishy.
@@KrisKincaid The dash pad looks like the vents were cut into a non-stock A/C pad, they resemble a stock A/C dash, but they are not exactly the same.
@@RogerM88 Since they are uni-body, there shouldn't be any "factory" frame rails on a b-body mopar. Those are likely the laser cut U.S. Car Tool frame connectors. I put the same ones on my Super Bee. While not factory original/correct, they do a great job of stiffening up the car.
Hoovie, that thing is bad ass. Enjoy it! I'm happy for you that it was pretty well sorted and u didn't get taken to the cleaners. Wizard is the man.
The silver lining is that Hoovie is going to get six months of content from this purchase. There will be more problems found, then a VIN problem identified followed by an investigation episode. If it is correct great, if it is fake, he has content making it right.
Then it'll make a great vinwiki episode later, too!
@@DaddyWarlocks hahaha banking off if it’s a shitty car or not
Ironically, the UA-cam series will probably do better if it's a fake and he got scammed than if it had just been a cheap, clapped out Superbird that needs fixing. He may make more money in the end even if it's only worth half what he paid.
1,000,000% there’s problem with the VIN
What do you mean by 6 months of content? You mean he's going to make a video on this car every day for 6 months? He'll make a few videos, then the car will get parked and eventually sold, like pretty much everything else. We'll only see it in the background, up on the rack in his garage after its fixed.
Strangely enough, if he had disclosed some of these issues the car would have still sold for a similar amount….
People posting spam are the scum of this earth! Worse than all the trolls combined. Don't respond to them it's a scam to get your email account.
@@weirdmatter tbh they're not people.
@@weirdmatter plot twist: it's Hoovie
Great to see it all run down smooth! I’m very happy for you and hope the car comes as a good luck charm and all those minor problems don’t turn into headaches 🤞
Never seen this show before, loved it! Great to see a real expert at work, seems like a nice guy too!
I worked on a late 40's-early 50's cadillac with a hydromatic transmission. When we looked for the fluid specifications it called for a whale oil base transmission fluid. Luckily dexron was an acceptable replacement.
Type A fluid. Still see it around California
I was gobsmacked to see this car pop on on my feed. My dad traded in my mom's 66 Impala SS and bought a Superbird. That's the car I learned how to drive in. I tried to take my driving test with it but the car was too long to fit in their parallel parking area. I ended yup using my dad's 66 Grand Prix for the driving test, still a big boat but it fit, if just barely. Thank you for this trip down memory lane!
I took my drivers test in a ‘76 Cadillac Eldorado w/ the 500 cid engine. Yes I flunked parallel parking & left turns. But passed the test overall. Sounds like you have a cool family of car lovers.
My mom bought a new ‘65 Marina Blue Impala & my dad traded in his ’57 Chevy for a ‘65 Chevelle 327 4-speed.
I hate that you can’t name drop these pos scammers without fear of legal retribution.. people suck
He can name drop. They can’t sue as long as Hoovie says “it is my opinion” before making any statement.
I’ll name them. Ntocars Flushing Michigan
@@12yearssober how did you find this out ?
@@12yearssober Holy Moly!
@@michaelmaas5544 BaT shows past sales and so its obvious on the site which car hoovie bought especially with those wheels and the fact that only 6 superbirds sold recently
"You know, people would probably pay money for this shirt now." Sell it on eBay and donate the proceeds to charity! 😜
This is a great example of 1)why auction sites are such a risk and 2)you always pickup a car in person and do not pay for it until then. Auctions are not good because there is often not enough time to get a PPI. If you get a PPI, the seller will more than likely discuss the results in the listing, causing the price to get bid up even more (and you paid for that).
If you want to protect yourself, especially with an auction car, go pick it up in person and only pay for it then. Had that been done here, Hoovie would have received the NASCAR memorabilia, but more importantly, been able to negotiate the price down even further. The seller CLEARLY misrepresented the condition of the car, which is a risky move at this price point as with the money paid for it, getting an attorney involved would be worthwhile. Sounds like Hoovie would have bought it anyway, but buying cars sight unseen is really risky.
It was definitely a risky move, but it's not worth getting a lawyer involved at this point. It's going to cost him around $3500 to get the car sorted out. I'm not sure if he could prove damages now that BaT gave him $5000 back.
Unfortunately, ive seen people get screwed when buying in person, even with a PPI. I agree that auctions can be far worse.
The body work was extremely well done. That alone was worth the price.
I think you did very well on the deal. Put the factory style rally wheels back on it and throw those rims that are on it now into the nearest dumpster . They are hideous. Great car.
I can't imagine buying a car of that scale without thoroughly checking it out myself !!
DING-DING-DING!!!!!!!!!!!
it was just to make for a better vid!!! this is by design!!
and that's not at all set up like most B-Body's like my 1968-70 aka what are you doing crazy 😜
@@richardprice5978
Huh 😳?😳
@@ssnerd583
Sadly.
It only made him and his buddy look Clueless 🤤
@@My-Pal-Hal that has a poorly 💩 thought out and executed maga force front system and a WTF back system as it feels like the parts canon 💥off ( i like the full length 1955 packerd T-bars/QA1 but that me ect. 2C ) and the oiling systems is?? 🤔🤦🏻♂. not my car but most of it isn't how i have mine 70 charger and yes im working on doing the 4.5"-crank hemi+TR6060*+8-3/4(3.2 gear) swap for brakes full willwood and a 91 jeep XJ hydro master cylinder 👌aka i skiped having a vacuum pump and im running turbocharged boost + lumpy high lift cam .600"+ and is a A/C 🚘ect. any other questions id be happy 😊to tell how mine is set up or others around me
As you may know, when buying a classic car, putting some additional money into it is very much expected.
I mean, he said that in the video…
Literally the car I've dreamed of. I've always loved the super bird and the more videos I see on youtube about them the more I love them. Thank you for bringing us this content TYLER. I know eventually you'll sell the bird and itll go to a good home but god knows I'd give my left arm and right leg for this bad girl.
I bought one for 2,500 back in the day, if that helps.
... and after you gave them you'd discover the deception, like most people do who would _appear_ to have _everything._
If you had no left arm and right leg you wouldn’t be able to drive it...
Cartoon car for cartoon people.
You'd better call on Someone that knows ya.
This is a classic example of “buyer beware” as sketchy sellers abound. On the plus side folks love drama and watching Hoovie spend money, it’s all part of his shtick and it has made him some serious dinero, in business it’s called an investment and it appears to be working quite well. Personally I’d be suing that bastard.
auctioner refunded buyers commission. im sure the auctioneer gave the seller huge shit for lying
I made the mistake 3 Years ago, almost 4. Bought a relatively rare bike (nowadays), in 'restored' condition and imported it. What arrived was a barely running piece of junk, so much so that the seller even painted over a 3cm thick mud layer (I wish I was kidding). I've obviously paid full price + shipping for it and now the bike is in my garage in pieces because finding part is sheer impossible and if I do they're very expensive. It's depressing because I love it but I can't see myself finishing it any time soon; might need a loan to finish the restoration.
Contacted the seller about it but he changed his number and disappeared. It doesn't change anything about the rarity but about my wallet!
I almost bought a 1970 Plymouth Superbird, also with a 426 hemi, in 1984. I wish I had...
It was pretty beat up, had exactly the same front suspension issue, had a recent white paint job (with tons of Bondo), the rear "frame" was rusted through, it was missing lots of pieces (like door locks, ignition lock, trunk lock, trim pieces, etc) and the owner had recently spent a few grand upgrading the motor (MSD ignition with rev limiter, new Holly carb, new "¾ race cam", new headers and exhaust, new very heavy clutch, etc.). He had a dyno printout showing 503 HP, which in 1984 was considered insane for a street car.
Her was asking $2500. I offered $1500. He came back at $2000 and we never settled on a price. The reality was every penny to my name, at the time, was $1625 and he wouldn't take it.
I did call him back after my next paycheck two weeks later, but he had sold it for $1750. $125 away from my offer......
It is very strange to see a second Superbird with the same suspension issue (although Hoovie's one is in much, much better condition). In the car I was trying to buy, the owner had installed lowering spindles that were so low the oil pan was scraping. He also mentioned his ¼ mile times suffered too, because the lowered car couldn't transfer weight like stock.
By cranking up the front coilovers, so much the shocks were topped out, he said he was able to get close to his previous ¼ mile times and solve the oil pan scraping issue. The ride was unbelievably horrible, bouncing along just liked Hoovies car.
I wonder if the same issues affected Hoovies car (oil pan scraping after lowering spindles were installed so the owner cranked the coilovers up all the way and beyond)?
First-time viewer, new sub, hit the bell. beautiful car. not a big MOPAR fan. but for that car YES YES YES. have you come across a Sunbeam Tiger?
I like how Hoovie pretends he cares about the cost of the repairs… he’s not even hitting 5% of the cost of the car ( not to mention he got the auction refund )
O good he did get the refund man dealing with ppl like that on the phone fuck that that shot is for the birds
I know a very wealthy individual who has lost money before investing in helping people to try to start small businesses. He told me "if I lose fifty grand because your business I funded failed, I'll shrug it off. But if you try to beat me out of twenty bucks, I'll hunt you down and kill you". The moral of the story is that even wealthy people don't like getting fucked over. Despite what anyone thinks, most of them worked hard to get what they have and don't like getting screwed out of it.
Hey, man, thirty-five hundred bucks is thirty-five hundred bucks.
Petty won NASCAR in 1971 - Bobby Isaac won it in 1970 (with some of those races in a winged Charger Daytona). Minor point, I admit.
The Miller American Buick Bobby Allison raced In NASCAR had gold painted wheels. The gold wheels Aero race wheels look excellent on the Superbird, much nicer than the stock plymouth rallye wheels. Coil overs modern steering rack, sway bars, Tremac transmission, remote oil cooler are all fine upgrades.
And Bobby Allison was 2nd and 3rd was the independent racer James Hylton.
And the regular ‘70 Charger won the most races... 10.
@@dand3975 If done correctly.
@@drippinglass Really it was the Charger 500 from 1969 since it used the same exact tunnel back plug to make the rear glass flush with the back of the roof line on the Charger. There was a few 1970's but they was the minority over the more aero built 500's in the series during the 1970 season. It was the inferiority of the 500 against the Talladega and Cyclone twins that the Daytona and Superbird was made.
What makes me sad is that you rightly feel the need to ask your viewers not to look the seller because there is already precedent for the seller to sue a UA-camr even though they did not identify the seller. So, we have a legal system that protects the person who has done the wrong system and victim into not even mentioning it to anyone for fear of being sued. That’s sad.
With the internet, people will go out and harass people who slight their favorite personalities regardless of how much the wronged party says no.
The legal system is fine in this case. Justice is not something to be enforced by random nutjob whatching some youtube videos. If Tyler wants justice, he should sue.
@@AI-qd4vb He bought a USED CAR. There is no guarantee on a used car, other than that it is guaranteed USED. It is "Buyer Beware" No one owes you a new car quality for a used car. No matter what the bimbo is willing to pay for it. You win some, you lose on most. That is the way it has always been. Yeah she is good at doing laundry and buying groceries but not someone I would fluck...or be able to boil water.(when buying women was legal)...which was like NEVER. You never buy sight unseen...unless you got cash to throw away.
. I learned about how a car works(the mechanics) so I know what to look for and listen for odd sounds and the odors & general appearance.
. Remember, the seller could just say "he knows nothing about cars and just sells them"
He is in the "clear"
shade tree mechanic.
@@AI-qd4vb my point is that Tyler could be sued if the seller feels that Tyler saying on UA-cam that the car was misrepresented caused people to stop dealing with him/her. Even if he doesn’t say the name of the seller and others work it out. It may be that the court action will fail, but it is still expensive to defend a lawsuit.
I'm actually a big fan of those 'Nascar D-Hole" wheels. They look the part on the car, and the fact that they are blinged-up a bit being gold, is actually nice. I wouldn't change them. So some things are right about the car. I think the builder tried, then ran out of money for a car of this level, then gave up.
Love it! Re-bodied, non matching, problematic, doesn’t matter, Superbird! If you sell this car, I will buy it! Subscribed to channel. Great content, cool dude.
So......... aftermarket suspension, sub frame, problematic car, lying seller, reconstructed total. Only Hoovie would think he didn't get screwed.
The wheels are actually real race wheels. Round track guys use them, so they are "correct" for the car...sort of. Personally I would get rid of the vacuum actuators for the headlights and swap to electric ones. They work better and are more reliable.
Still he would need the pump for the power brakes with that 528 under the hood.
@@michaelwilkening8542 - Or swap to a hydraboost.
And take 10s of thousands off the value. This is a Hemi Superbird, not some base car you can restomod.
@@SvenTviking it’s literally a restomod, the video explains that in detail. The suspension and engine are already new to the car. The heat and air is new to the car. The car had been wrecked and pieced together with another car. The value the car has at this point is that is was supposed to be a well done restomod and in this case, it needed work which is why BAT refunded $5k.
You would be absolutely dumb to go modifying a car like this at this point. You make the vacuum system work. Yes, removing it and going electric would STILL take tens of thousands off a car that in its current pieced together condition is ALREADY worth six figures and still going up.
Somewhat ironic that a car that was made strictly to go in circles would have a bad turning radius.
Could it be that the circles it goes around are HUGE and you barely need to turn the wheel? Ask someone who has driven one of these cars..... ME
Beautiful car! I'm sorry you have found so many problems. Dodge used to use a plastic vacuum ball that gave kind of a "reservoir" for the vacuum. My 1992 Dodge Dakota had one. The vacuum pump is a ridiculous add-on, especially hearing it over the rumble of all that muscle!
I must be getting old when someone has to explain who Richard Petty is to their audience :)
Definitely mate, I'm not even American and he needs no introduction for me!
Right! Hell, some don't even know his brother, Tom
Who ???
That's a bad joke.
@@Mr.Robert1 So bad it's a Heartbreaker
You should invest in some fierce VIN investigation while also hiring an expert in the car to examine the body panels and frame to make sure it's not a glorified kit car.
Only if it all checks out should you sink money into it. Should there be any fraud present, then save that money for legal action.
Yeah, make sure all the vins match.....
The majority of stuff on the car looks very nicely done, I’m just surprised the roll cage they put in was bent with a muffler bender, kinking the tube at the bends instead of using a mandrel bender.
this was almost certainly done for the show....nobody in their right mind would actually DO THAT
if it was nicely done engine installer dident do it.
I would just take it out. Its a street driver and looking more stock is a good thing.
hi radiators u cannot overfill !!
Frontend and rear suspension check shocks and springs minimum ,
Wheel alignment will change when ride height is changed .
vacuum sensor not working . U have a piston pump a rotary pump is way way quieter .
Fan mounting is on a plate SO WRONG Needs to have a spacing of at least 5/8 so the fans draw air flow thru all the core
Fans that donot cover all the rad core need high air speed flaps
Fans need to be at least 12inch upto 14 inch 20amps each I strongly doubt all ths has been done properly .
Sender units
temperature need to be checked with a resister and earthed. Check by have radiator temp thermometer at least varify temp at idle rpm
oil temp change sender . Check with master gauge straight into oil gallery
Fuel gauge check with resister between sender wire and ground
Awesome video. Looks like performance project car problems for the most part. The incorrectly preloaded coilovers is a rookie mistake, I’m sure there are a few of us who turned our cars into pogo sticks accidentally not knowing what we were doing.
Obviously aftermarket. 70 Mopars had torsion bars.
In the Mopar muscle car world you have to be careful using the word “rebody”. To many Mopar guys that means that the VIN from the dashboard and under hood fender tag were taken off an unfixable car and placed on a different shell. This is not good and would be fraud and illegal.
I would be curious to know how much of the car was replaced in the wreck. If it was front fender, door, quarter panel and maybe the lower floor and door jamb I wouldn’t be as concerned as long as the work is high quality. I would not consider that repair a rebody.
You have to be careful that the original dash VIN and fender tag and even the build sheet are reproductions. There is a whole cottage industry where new tags and documents can be made. This can be kind of a gray area if there isn’t proper documentation. I once had a 1974 Challenger 360 that was missing the fender tag but I had the original build sheet. I had a company make a reproduction fender tag because all the information was on the build sheet. But sometimes people will want to add or change option codes on the fender tag to make their car more desirable and worth more money. Mopars actually have a lot of information on the fender tag and build sheet about how the car was built compared to Ford or GM. But you really have to know what you are looking at and do research.
Hi Mike, never heard the term “cottage industry” before, what does it mean?
GM has RPO codes which are pretty dang inclusive.
@@ArthurTugwell I bunch of individuals doing work independently of each other but to the same objective.
You can look up what the car came with originally and make sure a xp29 charger hasn't been changed to a xs29 which is a RT charger. Or rarer yet a XX29 charger which is a Daytona one.
@@ArthurTugwell What Fiddler said, but here it means private parties reproducing original documents and tags. At best these are faithful reproductions of what SHOULD be with the car had it not been lost to time; but at worst it's counterfeit documentation to make a common car seem to be a rare one. If you watch the people who certify the authenticity of a vehicle they not only look at the documents and tags, they check to see if they've been tampered with and also look for other features that indicate the car is really the one that goes with them. For example, a car that was born as a Hemi car has certain reinforcements made to the suspension and body. Most fraudsters don't know about it, or else don't care enough to take it that far.
I think you got a decent deal on the bird. You driving it over to the garage was hilarious as hell !
This was one of the most fun Hoovies episodes that I've watched, Loved it!
Had you shown me those wheels alone and said you were putting them on a Superbird I would have laughed. But mysteriously they work. They work very well in fact.
Due to the seller screwing him over in a few ways, he ended up saving money overall, that's interesting. I imagine the auction site would particularly want to make this content creator happy, rather than other people, but yea very cool.
Not at all. Spending that kind of money on a car and not inspecting it first, he screwed himself.
Besides that all the crap he's complaining about isn't original anyway, it's just run of the mill 'car stuff'. If the issues he had with it had any impact on the cars 'status' which is 99% of it's value, then he may have a legitimate complaint.
@@Anubis78250 - Well he was going to buy the car either way and fix whatever he needed to. So it's not screwing himself either way.
From the video it seems like he might have had to get in quick with the purchase, or maybe the car was far away and had to get transported to him or something along these things. I don't think the option to go and inspect it was really there. Not that I think it really matters to him either way.
The car had a good number of dodgy things going on. Some are okay, some are less okay (like the supposed "tyre adjustment" that needed to be done). The point is that they weren't disclosed, even after some things were disclosed (after the purchase, which is already dodgy).
These things should be disclosed regardless of whether they impact of value of the car or not. Sometimes a bunch of weird issues can signify that the owner is pretty dodgy and that the car might actually be in very rough shape, and can lead you to not trust them as far as the purchase goes.
would absolutely never happen to a nobody like us. they said sorry as is
you know car wizard is good when hes told to compress the suspension, he uses the engine bay, not the guards. hoovie, please stop doing that, you will warp/dent the panels.
I was impressed too.. coming from an Autobody guy...
so true!
Seeing wizard genuinely happy about a car always makes me smile.
you are not alone with BAT. They are a stand up organization. They had to do the same for me when the Antique MG I bought that was "show condition" ended up having a totally crap engine. $8,000 later I have a running functioning car but it still has many more wiring issues that need to be sorted.
Buying a car from a distance is terrifying. Power to ya.
I am genuinely interested in why it has two vacuum pumps. I feel that we have not heard the end of that story line.
Someone should have an auction site that actually handles the transaction shipping and guarantee the description of the car. I’ve bought many cars online and it’s always scary.
Not sure how accommodating they would have been if Hoovie hadn't been a famous youtuber. Lots of companies are really reasonable if you have the power to hurt their reputation.
But that would cut into the profit margins and introduce more liability for the auction so......
Cars & bids has some element of that
I like this idea. BAT should just go full service, and include a full inspection + photos + video + documentation review with every listing. Buyer confidence would go through the roof.
@@sullyFL listing fees and commissions would also go through the roof though.
You've got a great attitude in regards to the seller. Reminds me I've got a lot to work on. Thank you
I'm glad Bring a Trailer was a stand up organization like that and looked out for you as the consumer after the seller screwed up the way they did.
And the refunded commission will go a long way in getting the ‘Bird to the way you want it!👍👍👍
Wizard is possibly the most reasonable and knowledgeable mechanic I’ve ever seen
Vintage Mopars in particular seem to attract the scammers, no doubt due to their scarcity.
and bc Chrysler is overrated trash
@@RainmakerXBooty
Not this model
@@RainmakerXBooty it was "so trash" that nascar banded them. LOL
When new, most dealers struggled to sell them. A few dealers even removed the aero package in order to sell them.
Cool car , I like the gold wheels for some reason even though it took some testies to make that unique decision lol. It’s good you tell people about the way car deals really work online. You really can’t loose bc the worse it is the more views you get , but that doesn’t work for everyone. Great video and good luck with your channel, stay humble.
Beautiful car Tyler. Let the Wizard perform his magic and get it on the road. This one is a keeper. Happy Motoring!
The wizard is right about the front shocks. As it is, the adjustable threaded spring purchases were adjusted to raise the front up, but the shocks (dampers) ran out of travel, as they are against the internal droop limiters. The guy before probably kept jacking on the spring purchases, but since the shocks were already against the droop limiters, it jacked up the spring preload. This basically locked the front end so the suspension would not move and the only spring/damping was in the tire sidewall. Not a good setup. Needs socks with longer shafts to get the suspension travel where it needs to be with the desired ride height.
For how nice of shape that car is in, the sorting out of gremlins are just minor hurdles. With these old cars, body is everything. You're always better off taking a mint body/frame with some running issues over something that runs perfectly but needs time and (lots of) money in a body shop.
True, true, true. Rust never sleeps.
That’s interesting that when the car was up on the lift the front suspension didn’t sag at all! Wow. Explains the horrible ride.
Yup, they preloaded the spring so much the weight of the car doesn't even compress it.
I think hoovie should get this thing to someone who really knows about these to see what is original. And if it for sure is a real big block super bird. It would be good content regardless!
Meh. Restomods routinely go for this kind of money. It really doesn't matter if it's real, from a value standpoint.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH 80k maybe, not 130. But regardless of the money, it would be interesting to know and entertaining content.
I recall seeing these new in the showroom on Santa Monica Blvd. as a 15 yr old kid and thinking "what a silly looking car" . Of course I wasn't yet privy to the racing scene and the necessity of looking the way it did. I only wish now that I'd been able to talk my father into buying one of those rather than the 1965 Sattilites with the 318 2 bbl he did buy new and later became my first car. It's ironic that just one checked box and a coupla hundred Xtra dollars at that time, for instance when buying the 65 sattilite if he'd checked the 426 hemi or the cross ram engine, it now is a difference not of a coupla hundred but a coupla hundred thousand. Lol
You're right it's a beautiful looking vehicle, lucky for you you've got the Wizard. What a nightmare and Karma will get the scam artist.