Temperatures were not perfect: Air: 27 degree Celsius, Track: 53 degree Celsius. The suspension setup of the GP testcar was more like a road setup, than a track focused setup. More: Supertest in sport auto 8/2020.
@@constantin4958 I think they wanted to state, that it's not prepared by BMW to shine in the Supertest with outrageous Laptimes. Porsche sends often cars prepared for Nordschleife to compete better, than in normal setup - lots of camber etc.
This is an Aisin automatic from Toyota. All front wheel drive cars from BMW and Mini use this gearbox. Its not very sporty like the ZF's but its really comfortable for everyday use not very track focused.
@@aowen1079 Well the ZF 8hp is comfortable and sporty tbh. If you want to have it sporty, use it in sport or Sport+ and it changes gears relatively fast, if you want comfort you can go comfort or sport and if you drive calmly, it makes very soft Gear changes which you dont even feel
@@aowen1079 nah aisin auto is not for sporty use thats why its used in mazda cx5. Its a bad gearbox for track use, great for daily and cruising traffic
@@alexc.7561 Mini has a better acceleration because of his less weigh and 50 more nm so it’s definitely better in drag races. On track the type R is way faster, I think it’s because of his aerodynamic which isn’t like all the other hatchbacks. It’s more like an coupe. Still mini jcw gp is another segment so not the competitor of type r
Still an impressive time for a small hatchback. But the 2nd generation GP looks so much nicer to drive, lighter, more agile, in terms of laptime it's quite a lot slower but i'm sure you have a fantastic time driving it compared to the new car with Auto transmission and "safer" handling.
Das Gesamtpaket ist nicht stimmig ,Fahrwerk und Reifen machen keinen guten job und auch das Getriebe schaltet sich zu Tode. Der Motor ist was feines und der Topspeed anfahrt Schwedenkreuz und Döttinger Höhe ist mal ne Ansage .Denke mal mit einem Fahrwerk von KW und besseren Semislicks fällt die 8min Marke.Auch fehlt dem Mini ein vernünftiges Sperrdifferential .
I had a mini cooper s and I liked it so much. It was crazy fast and agressive for a 4 seated roadcar. However, GP versions are limited edition, track focused and has to push limits for its class considering the wild character of its regular brother. If GP is Mini's answer to 300bhp+ competition, it must be faster than 2 year old civic type r. A mass produced practical 4-seated citycar without any major compromises(proper rear seats and a practical trunk). If this bigger car could set a laptime of 7:43, I expect GP to hit around 7:35-7:40. Test driver Gebhardt has proven his skills many times on this track so, it is Mini here to blame.
@@yalimdilmen7960 shocking isn't it? A prototype car with roll cage and other mods that are not available on a production version. It's called cheating.
@@tracktimevideos5164 definitely it is cheating so, this link from 2014 could be registered as a fwd record for years ua-cam.com/video/0RLxUBRsoz0/v-deo.html
CRAZY ? sorry but this is a SLOW TIME for a mini with more than 300 hp, the time of the 2nd gen mini R56 jcw by KRUMM PERFORMANCE with 300 hp is 7:38 !
@@HenryVFR 7.38 in BTG lap... not a complete lap... and this is a stock car, not tuned car... this car with coilovers will destroy a lot of bigger and powerfull sports cars.
Funny when people compare light hatches with 25 year old manual supercars. I'd take a Ferrari over this women's car any day because it actually has appeal.
Hab das letzte mal einen GP auf der Nordschleife mit nem 150 PS (Diesel) A3 gejagt 😂sobald es geradeaus ging war der Weg und in den Kurven hab ich den eingeholt
Normalerweise ist es anders herum... Fetten RS3/TTRS fahren und nicht aus dem Knick kommen, wenn die erste Kurve kommt. Sry, aber die meisten Audifahrer können alles, aber nicht Kurven. 🤦♂️
Rethi das kommt echt nicht auf die Marke an 😂hab auch schon genug M3 (E46) -Fahrer überholt.Die sind auch geradeaus schnell gefahren und dann in der Kurve langsam
Slow...if you know that Civc and Megane (bigger cars, with rear seats) with about the same power have 20ish seconds on Mini GP then it's obvious that this is a big failure... N yes, Golf GTI CS too... 👎🏻
Here is a typical review of a Cooper Mini Original review: July 4, 2019 This is by no stretch, the worst car on the face of the planet. I say this in all fairness to mini and BMW. I had to have the engine changed four times. The turbo changed 3 times and the transmission changed twice. All with less than 85000 miles on the car. I have spent over $50,000 on this car because my wife loved it and wanted to keep it. I currently still have the vehicle. It still runs after repairing it last but, I paid more to repair it than it is worth (blue book). So I will drive it till it breaks then scrap it. I bought her a brand new Nissan. It has had no issues nor do I expect it to in the near future. I just spent another 2300 on the car to have other "Plastic" components fixed to repair the car to make it usable. However, if I had thought it through I would have taken the car to a scrap yard instead. If I could have given Mini a negative star review I would have. The kicker here is the fact that they "Mini" knowingly sale crap vehicles to the public. Knowing the issues exist but failing to accept responsibility for the shortcomings is truly the real issue that makes me hate them. I feel there are a few things everyone should know. Yes, the mini is a very fun car to drive when it works and while it last. However, this is few and very far between. The cars reliability rating should be sitting in the negative range. I say this because as long as I have owned the car it has sat in the service department more than it has been on the road. I have had lots of awesome rentals over the years though. Thus the reason for the purchase of the new Nissan. Do yourself a favor and stay away from this company that fails to own their mistakes. Instead, you will be left to pay for them if you make the purchase. I recommend any other manufacturer over Mini. I don't say that lightly. I haven't seen one that would provide such an inferior product all while failing to uphold a warranty. Take my advice and RUN from Mini. It is truly a terrible company to deal with. Worst reliability of any car I have owned.
I have a 2005 MINI R50 that I've driven across America 2x, has only had to have the power steering replaced (under warranty), and is still in such good condition, mechanics comment on it when it is getting regular maintenance. Your experience obviously varies because we've had no issues with our Countryman as well.
Ab Start (alte Boxengasse) bis zur 1. Brücke auf der DöHö (Gantry) bin ich im Touriverkehr 2 Sekunden schneller mit meinem schwächeren R58 JCW Coupé. Mit störendem Verkehr. ua-cam.com/video/7VzjKwMmM0Y/v-deo.html
sport auto gemessen vom Start (alte Boxengasse) bis zur Gantry ist der Krumm JCW trotzdem schneller (7.10min) und ich, mit noch weniger Leistung und Touriverkehr , bin es auch (7.13min). Ein wenig mehr Ruhe im Fahrzeug hätte zu einer besseren Rundenzeit beigetragen, die bei 7.15min von der alten Boxengasse bis Gantry liegt.
Hat halt nen deutlich kürzeren Radstand...er fährt mir auch vom Gang her,immer einen zu tief...erklärt auch warum er nicht wie Mini selbst unter 8min auf 7.56min kommt,sondern "nur" auf ne 8.03min. VW ist mit dem TCR ne 8.04Min gefahren...für nen Mini Cooper ist das schon stark...mal ganz davon abgesehen,das der TCR auf der Autobahn dann doch deutlich das nachsehen hätte
@@Rethi1981 Gebhardt fährt ja auch immer mur 3 Runden. Wenn der 50 Runden fahren würde, wäre er sicherlich auch unter 8. Außerdem sind die Sport Auto Zeiten "ehrlich", was man von den Herstellerzeiten nicht immer behaupten kann.......
Basically like a Golf TCR only less practical less balanced, uglier and with a poorly calibrated automatic transmission. I really wanted to like this GP Mini but its obviously just a cynical marketing exercise by BMW instead of a true drivers car like the GP Minis before it. Such a shame.
Einfach unverständlich wie man in einen Mini GP ein Automatik Getriebe verbauen kann. Fahre den normalen JCW und finde die Handschaltung echt sportlich und knackig. Automatik gerne in einem Langstreckenfahrzeug, aber nicht wenn es um Spaß beim Fahren geht.
It's a pretty slow car if it can't do less than 8 minutes... I don't get all the hype. If you want a fast lap time in a FWD hatch, why not get a Civic R?
Temperatures were not perfect: Air: 27 degree Celsius, Track: 53 degree Celsius. The suspension setup of the GP testcar was more like a road setup, than a track focused setup. More: Supertest in sport auto 8/2020.
@@constantin4958 They wrote, that it's a road setup... If you look at the tires they're probably not suitet for rainy county-roads.
@@constantin4958 I think they wanted to state, that it's not prepared by BMW to shine in the Supertest with outrageous Laptimes.
Porsche sends often cars prepared for Nordschleife to compete better, than in normal setup - lots of camber etc.
Fiat quatro posta
Das ist BMW, kein VW, kein Audi
I know it is pretty randomly asking but does anybody know of a good website to stream new tv shows online?
Driver: „Shift, Shift... F%$iN Shift!“
Automatic Gearbox: „No.“
This is an Aisin automatic from Toyota. All front wheel drive cars from BMW and Mini use this gearbox. Its not very sporty like the ZF's but its really comfortable for everyday use not very track focused.
@@aowen1079 not exactly. new 7 speed DCT gearboxes are manufactured by getrag (ex magna).
@@aowen1079 Well the ZF 8hp is comfortable and sporty tbh. If you want to have it sporty, use it in sport or Sport+ and it changes gears relatively fast, if you want comfort you can go comfort or sport and if you drive calmly, it makes very soft Gear changes which you dont even feel
@@aowen1079 nah aisin auto is not for sporty use thats why its used in mazda cx5. Its a bad gearbox for track use, great for daily and cruising traffic
That's just for regular Mini Cooper and Mini Cooper S - JCW and GP3 have torque converter automatics which suck@@sfortis
Genau die richtige Größe, leichter wäre toll, ein wirklich emotionales Auto! Mini, was bist für ein geiles Auto. Vor allem der GP!
If you think 8.04 min is a slow time you might want to check the fastest laptimes list on the nordschleife.
Welll compared to the type R which it should compete with in terms of Lao time... it’s slow
Even the 2015 Type R is way faster :D
No type R is C segment so it shouldn’t compared to it. Mini is B Segment so one class under the Type R and stuff.
@@ginger169 why? Mini should be faster because of the less weight...
@@alexc.7561 Mini has a better acceleration because of his less weigh and 50 more nm so it’s definitely better in drag races. On track the type R is way faster, I think it’s because of his aerodynamic which isn’t like all the other hatchbacks. It’s more like an coupe.
Still mini jcw gp is another segment so not the competitor of type r
It’s hard not to get excited everytime a new Sport Auto Supertest shows up! 👍🏻
Still an impressive time for a small hatchback. But the 2nd generation GP looks so much nicer to drive, lighter, more agile, in terms of laptime it's quite a lot slower but i'm sure you have a fantastic time driving it compared to the new car with Auto transmission and "safer" handling.
This gp is 100kg lighter than the last gen
You’re crazy, this thing, Obliterated the GP2 for looks and performance.
Love my gp3
How I wish I could take my F56 JCW on the Nurburgring. Bucket list item.
sehr schickes teil !
it is still slowet than last gen megane rs???
very good
Eine Trackday-Variante ohne Schalensitze und ohne Handschaltung? Warum?
Wo gibt es denn diese Reifen in 225 35 R18 zu kaufen? Nirgendwo hab ich was gefunden ... wahrscheinlich extra für den Supertest gebacken ...
Kannst du bei jedem BMW Händler bestellen, finden sich in dem Ersatzteilkatalog, kosten um die 330€ das Stück
Is there a video from the type r fk8? Don't find one
Das Video gibt es. Einfach Honda Type R Nuerburgring eingeben. Viel Spass.
Great looking car but I still think the best looking wheels to ever be put on a hatchback were the ones that came on the 2009 JCW.
The gearbox is actually a huge misfit...! The car is slightly disappointing if you ask me....
said by a pruis driver!
Danny Liu ...why did you pic a Prius? You can have more fun with other cars....
I think its a sub 8 min car when conditions are right
¿? WAS HE ON AUTOMATIC ALL THE TIME??
Yes, he tends to use auto mode all the time 😉
it is not faster than a type R I expected that for your specification😔
Das Gesamtpaket ist nicht stimmig ,Fahrwerk und Reifen machen keinen guten job und auch das Getriebe schaltet sich zu Tode. Der Motor ist was feines und der Topspeed anfahrt Schwedenkreuz und Döttinger Höhe ist mal ne Ansage .Denke mal mit einem Fahrwerk von KW und besseren Semislicks fällt die 8min Marke.Auch fehlt dem Mini ein vernünftiges Sperrdifferential .
I had a mini cooper s and I liked it so much. It was crazy fast and agressive for a 4 seated roadcar. However, GP versions are limited edition, track focused and has to push limits for its class considering the wild character of its regular brother. If GP is Mini's answer to 300bhp+ competition, it must be faster than 2 year old civic type r. A mass produced practical 4-seated citycar without any major compromises(proper rear seats and a practical trunk). If this bigger car could set a laptime of 7:43, I expect GP to hit around 7:35-7:40. Test driver Gebhardt has proven his skills many times on this track so, it is Mini here to blame.
no standard FK8 CTR has got near that time, only the special prototype.
@@tracktimevideos5164 really? how do they submit a car that is not real but a modified copy?
@@yalimdilmen7960 shocking isn't it? A prototype car with roll cage and other mods that are not available on a production version. It's called cheating.
@@tracktimevideos5164 definitely it is cheating so, this link from 2014 could be registered as a fwd record for years ua-cam.com/video/0RLxUBRsoz0/v-deo.html
Crazy... when you remember back in the day when Ferrari f355 finish the ring in 8:20 with a v8 and 380hp
CRAZY ? sorry but this is a SLOW TIME for a mini with more than 300 hp, the time of the 2nd gen mini R56 jcw by KRUMM PERFORMANCE with 300 hp is 7:38 !
@@HenryVFR 7.38 in BTG lap... not a complete lap... and this is a stock car, not tuned car... this car with coilovers will destroy a lot of bigger and powerfull sports cars.
Miquel Gus the chassis of the F56 is NOT BETTER than the R56, ok senyoret Miquelet ??
Funny when people compare light hatches with 25 year old manual supercars. I'd take a Ferrari over this women's car any day because it actually has appeal.
@@HenryVFR its SO MUCH better. Stiffer and progressive. The evolution capacity is so much bigger :)
Understeer all over the place... :-(
Wikipedia: Oversteer (Mini JCW GP)
@@brathahn5176 Where exactly on this lap?
@@marcuszerr Nurburgring
In the article is stated, that wasnt mich understeering.
The ABS was a cocern, because it wasnt adopted to the semislikcks
Megane Trophy R did it in 7:40min
Tires squeaking very early and g-meter weak indication
6:41 me encanta esa curva
La curva se llama "carrusel"
Hit 155mph once. Not bad.
Rival car the Yaris gr (standard) has done it in 7:54 with cold damp conditions, less power, heavier and had traffic.🤷🏻♂️
Gp3 concorso nel tracciato più lungo 👌 eh il gr resta 💩 😎
yaris gr is awd gp3 is fwd
no complete lap the yaris... the lap was BTG (bridge to gandly) the complete lap for the yaris is 8:14... SO MUCH SLOW
Only about 15secs faster than Fiesta Mk8 ST... thought itll be faster...
Other cars laptimes close to 8 min? Would be great to see the comparison based on your tests at the beggining or the end of the video
Number 2020 🤐
Impressive laptime but yet again another boring automatic car.
Mercedes A45s 7:48
clearly it doesn't like fast curves. too much body movement. it doesn't look confident.
i mean that's just shocking, a small car not ideal at high speeds
Ein Kommentar zum Fahrverhalten wäre noch ganz nett :)
Siehe Autozeitung. Da dann im Detail
Type r time is 7:43.8.
8:01 with Sport Auto
Mini engineers are going to be very disappointed when the hear about the Type R
When they hear about how no production CTR has got anywhere near the time of their modified prototype FK8 with roll cage etc?
Hab das letzte mal einen GP auf der Nordschleife mit nem 150 PS (Diesel) A3 gejagt 😂sobald es geradeaus ging war der Weg und in den Kurven hab ich den eingeholt
War ne Frau ü60 drin oder wie?😆🤣🤣🤣🤣
Normalerweise ist es anders herum... Fetten RS3/TTRS fahren und nicht aus dem Knick kommen, wenn die erste Kurve kommt. Sry, aber die meisten Audifahrer können alles, aber nicht Kurven. 🤦♂️
Rethi ich weiß es nicht 😂zumindest hatte der Fahrer keine Angst geradeaus schnell zu fahren
Rethi das kommt echt nicht auf die Marke an 😂hab auch schon genug M3 (E46) -Fahrer überholt.Die sind auch geradeaus schnell gefahren und dann in der Kurve langsam
Nie im Leben hängst du hinter einem von den dir beschriebenen Autos.. Audi-Fahrer haben echt ne Fantasie.
Slow...if you know that Civc and Megane (bigger cars, with rear seats) with about the same power have 20ish seconds on Mini GP then it's obvious that this is a big failure...
N yes, Golf GTI CS too...
👎🏻
I could not watch the whole lap. That looks uncomfortably boring to drive
That's straight up embarrassing
Anything over 7:45 for this car is disgraceful
Here is a typical review of a Cooper Mini Original review: July 4, 2019
This is by no stretch, the worst car on the face of the planet. I say this in all fairness to mini and BMW. I had to have the engine changed four times. The turbo changed 3 times and the transmission changed twice. All with less than 85000 miles on the car. I have spent over $50,000 on this car because my wife loved it and wanted to keep it. I currently still have the vehicle. It still runs after repairing it last but, I paid more to repair it than it is worth (blue book). So I will drive it till it breaks then scrap it.
I bought her a brand new Nissan. It has had no issues nor do I expect it to in the near future. I just spent another 2300 on the car to have other "Plastic" components fixed to repair the car to make it usable. However, if I had thought it through I would have taken the car to a scrap yard instead. If I could have given Mini a negative star review I would have. The kicker here is the fact that they "Mini" knowingly sale crap vehicles to the public. Knowing the issues exist but failing to accept responsibility for the shortcomings is truly the real issue that makes me hate them.
I feel there are a few things everyone should know. Yes, the mini is a very fun car to drive when it works and while it last. However, this is few and very far between. The cars reliability rating should be sitting in the negative range. I say this because as long as I have owned the car it has sat in the service department more than it has been on the road. I have had lots of awesome rentals over the years though. Thus the reason for the purchase of the new Nissan. Do yourself a favor and stay away from this company that fails to own their mistakes. Instead, you will be left to pay for them if you make the purchase. I recommend any other manufacturer over Mini. I don't say that lightly. I haven't seen one that would provide such an inferior product all while failing to uphold a warranty. Take my advice and RUN from Mini. It is truly a terrible company to deal with. Worst reliability of any car I have owned.
I have a 2005 MINI R50 that I've driven across America 2x, has only had to have the power steering replaced (under warranty), and is still in such good condition, mechanics comment on it when it is getting regular maintenance. Your experience obviously varies because we've had no issues with our Countryman as well.
But the Megane RS Trophy r is the fastest
Omg 😱 was für Kommentare,🤣🤣🤣
Ab Start (alte Boxengasse) bis zur 1. Brücke auf der DöHö (Gantry) bin ich im Touriverkehr 2 Sekunden schneller mit meinem schwächeren R58 JCW Coupé. Mit störendem Verkehr. ua-cam.com/video/7VzjKwMmM0Y/v-deo.html
More than 8 minutes ? TOO BAD....... The time of the mini R56 JCW BY KRUMM PERFORMANCE is 7:38 and it has 300 hp too.
You can't compare apples with pears. The Krumm JCW is fast, but the 7:38 was BTG. The GP time is for the 20,6 km track layout.
sport auto gemessen vom Start (alte Boxengasse) bis zur Gantry ist der Krumm JCW trotzdem schneller (7.10min) und ich, mit noch weniger Leistung und Touriverkehr , bin es auch (7.13min). Ein wenig mehr Ruhe im Fahrzeug hätte zu einer besseren Rundenzeit beigetragen, die bei 7.15min von der alten Boxengasse bis Gantry liegt.
So a Type R is bigger, has 4 seats, is comfortable on the road (relatively), is cheaper and faster. Good work Mini.
Not faster at all. No production CTR has gotten near the time set by Hondas cheating prototype.
R but it looks ugly.
...was ist dass ?? ... heeehh.....
So it’s 20 seconds behind it’s target car and rival the Civic Type R. With a time that bad they shouldn’t have even released it
You mean the car that has also not got anywhere near that time. No production FK8 has achieved that, only a modified prototype
Super gefahren aber das Auto wirkt unharmonisch. Das Video vom Golf TCR ist dagegen sehr harmonisch.
Hat halt nen deutlich kürzeren Radstand...er fährt mir auch vom Gang her,immer einen zu tief...erklärt auch warum er nicht wie Mini selbst unter 8min auf 7.56min kommt,sondern "nur" auf ne 8.03min.
VW ist mit dem TCR ne 8.04Min gefahren...für nen Mini Cooper ist das schon stark...mal ganz davon abgesehen,das der TCR auf der Autobahn dann doch deutlich das nachsehen hätte
@@Rethi1981 Gebhardt fährt ja auch immer mur 3 Runden. Wenn der 50 Runden fahren würde, wäre er sicherlich auch unter 8. Außerdem sind die Sport Auto Zeiten "ehrlich", was man von den Herstellerzeiten nicht immer behaupten kann.......
but is not a stock tire
Dissapointingly slow lap time considering the numbers involved compared to the Megane/Civic/Golf
If you consider Golf/Megane/Civic you have to compare them with a 1-Series and not with a Mini... Mini's competitors are Polo/Clio...
@@benjaminweidner1696 Except this mini has similar specs to a megane/golf etc regardless of what class you think it’s in
Pure disappointment!
So much effort, and only 1 second per kilometer faster, than a jcw pro
Christian Gebhardt nails it again. Just one little thing, the track is out of focus.
Kills bugs fast: The Racenavigator sadly likes them, too. Instead of focusing on the track. Sorry for that. ;)
Hot lap without roll cage, nice job and useless track car.
Civic Type R 7.43
Exactly and that's a manual. I know people say honda removed rear seats for that very lap but still...
Nobody has got anywhere near that laptime in a road going production CTR. Only the modified prototype touched that totally bullshit "record" time.
Zu groß, zu schwer, zu unemotional. Mini, was warst du für ein geiles Gerät.
Basically like a Golf TCR only less practical less balanced, uglier and with a poorly calibrated automatic transmission.
I really wanted to like this GP Mini but its obviously just a cynical marketing exercise by BMW instead of a true drivers car like the GP Minis before it. Such a shame.
No one wants to own a Golf
Einfach unverständlich wie man in einen Mini GP ein Automatik Getriebe verbauen kann. Fahre den normalen JCW und finde die Handschaltung echt sportlich und knackig. Automatik gerne in einem Langstreckenfahrzeug, aber nicht wenn es um Spaß beim Fahren geht.
It's a pretty slow car if it can't do less than 8 minutes... I don't get all the hype. If you want a fast lap time in a FWD hatch, why not get a Civic R?
Nice lap, Audi RS 3 Please
Bof 👎
Ventus TD pulling
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