My first vehicle had an M-22 close ratio in it. Old chevy Scottsdale 3/4 with a built up 355. Everything broke but the trans. When the apocalypse hits only thing will be left are cockroaches ,9th generation Toyota Corollas (03-08)and M22 Rock crushers.
I wish all of the f*cking experts in the comments would post YOUR videos of YOU in YOUR race car so we could tell YOU how to drive. I think Dean knows his car and is driving accordingly.
The close second to third shift M-22 was one of the things I loved about my 327 cubic inch w/ a single 4 barrel 650 dual feed double pumper Holley carb'ed 65 El Camino n cruising E Street San Bernardino Ca on Friday n Saturday nights. The Sig Erson cam was labeled 'mostly strip n little street' :) We never got shut down n raced any cubic inch or carb combo that was game to try us. Miles Cobbett, Author of the HW boxing book Champion
excellent. motor in this video has a 650 carb. the camshaft is a solid rollor that will rev to the moon. very very wide powerband. the cam is actually defined for big inch pro-street, or turbo/Blower.
I run a tremec tko600 pro built by Liberty gear behind a 421 Chevy small block.Not a cheap trans but a really sweet shifting trans.The overdrive knocks the 3.90 gears down pretty good for highway travel too.
I have two Muncie 4 speeds , sitting on a shelf as I can't use them because they can't handle the hp or torque my engine produces , even built the can't handle much over 600 hp and end up failing , the only oem 4 speed that can handle the power is a Ford top loader , two things Ford did better then chevy was the 4 speed top loader and the 9 inch rear-end , and im a chevy fan but facts don't lie!!!!!!
the top loader will not shift as well as a muncie, from the factory. if modifed yes and the top loader is stronger. and the ford 9 has more hp loss because of the placement of the pinion in the case, and for general drag racing use with a conventional ford 9, the ford 9 is more prone to front bearing faliure. if going all out the for 9 is tougher. but thats talking huge hp numbers. i have some friends up her that run 1000 hp on 12 bolts and no problems at all. and in these acpplications its more practical. cant chnage a chevy guys mind, or a ford guy haha.. im not aloud to have anything ford
All the ones commenting negatives on this video are just armchair racers that wished their Prius could even run an eighth of what this 72 deuce just did.
That 2:20-1 first gear in the M22 close ratio will really challenge the launch without a low rear axle ratio like a 4:56 or lower. I would forget all the helpful tips on power shifting. The gears in this transmission are expensive.
The car as is in this video had 4.56 its completely not okay for racing standards. It needs 5.38 in the diff to be okay. I had a 2.64 first gear on 4.56 and it was better to get out. But i didnt want to sacrifice the sound of close ratios. From a roll its quite a condender
@@deantruax7202 There you go, I agree but that 5.38 ain't much fun on the street. I ran a close ratio with a 4.56 for a while, it didn't get out of the hole very good but it would break a motor mount. I like your car. El Camino?
@@Dan-ez6dr the 2.64 super t10 gear box was fun on the street, the close ratio muncie is also just as fun, but it gets younim trouble. It pulls over 60 mph im 1st when i sling it. Before you know, 4 gear comes amd your really breaking speed limits haha
@@deantruax7202 2.66 1ston my T56 with 411 and 26 in tire its almost not enough gear....6th is still useless way too tall Keep that muncie! If you gotta try a GV overdrive the new tremecs will never shift/take the abuse your muncie will. Im switching back
@@deantruax7202 4.11s and could do them with 3.73s. Burnout box is watered down, rev it to 2-3k dump the clutch and light em up . Takes less time than it would in 1st less rpm too
@@deantruax7202 I've had big cube Pontiacs my whole life, with Muncies and 3.55s. Even had a Mr. Gasket Vertical Gate shifter in a 65 tri-power Goat in the 70s on the street for over 10 yrs, (Daily driver), and never broke a tranny, 10 or 12 bolt rear. With tons of full throttle power shifts. Trick is, no slicks. Use-ta drive the car 2 hrs to the drags, (Epping NH, and Prescot, Ark.), and always drove home. No trailer. Maybe not the best outta the hole, but lots of fun anyway. I'll check out your other videos, and wait patiently for your up-dated version. :)
@@joequillun7790 with ta`s i have full confidence. but with the slicks i know the wheels will literally fly out from under the car. i stopped using the tas because when i hit 2nd gear the motor pretty much just stays on the redline. ive really played with pinion angles and caltracs to dial it in, but it s abit tough to eliminate the spin. car has gone 11.88 with slicks with a conservative launch, 12.00 with street tire burning the clutch. i usually run it around 12.0 in bracket with slicks driving it normally. this car gets only drag raced and only driven to the track. its not aloud on a trailer. its a true street car. i actually won the nastagia points series championship in bracket with this car this year up here in canada, and i was the only guy showing up on my own power and not on a trailer.
@@deantruax7202 I give you credit for running a stick shift, in bracket racing. It takes talent to win with a clutch. It appears your car is an early Nova, (66-67?). I know the wheel wells were tight in them cars, and you're limited to tire size, and good traction. When the tubbed cars (pro street) became popular in the late 70s, it became much more beneficial for your car, but I'm guessing you're not tubbed. But low 12s with a 327 in a steel car like yours is very respectable. Now, go out and get yourself a Moser 12 bolt, and a G-force 4 speed, and give us a treat to some full powershifts. :)
@@joequillun7790 this car is a 72 nova, full weight. 3300 roughly with me in it. I run a 26x8 slick. pretty much the smallest tire possible with a stock posi. this car did 11.50s with a pretty basic automatic th350 with a 3500 converter. right now the car is trapping sometimes at 118 mph in reasonable air, but typically 116.
Really nice shifting but u should change were the linkages go make for a shorter shift. I have that same transmission in my 62 impala I my shift stroke is half of what yours is. Good job tho
Keep practicing those shifts. Me or anyone who drove my SS that really shifted well made it sound like a full on, manual valve body automatic going down track. The M22 with the shifter and linkage set up right could be shifted quicker than any other 4spd.
Chrysler (new Process) A 833 Is tougher, IMHO. 50% bigger copy of a T-10. I've rebuilt a few and driven them. FYI, the Overdrive aluminum case is the same input bearing dimensionally as the hemi case. Saves 23 lbs as I recall. I had a Hemi 4 speed that was worked over with no synchros for speed shifting, but it was beat. I guess that was the high tech before Lenco's and such. There's no broken cast iron cases. But I love them all.
The only thing I would suggest, is bucket seats. Even if they are cheap race seats, they are lighter than that damn bench seat. I'm wanting to say that this is a Nova, but I can't say with 100% certainty. If so, what year? Hell, even if it's not a Nova, what type of car/year is it?
@@deantruax7202 according to the calculator I used, it is 420 flywheel hp in a 3300 lb car should trap at 119 and run 12.03. That is perfect world. robrobinette.com/et.htm I almost agree with those numbers but, the trap seems a little high and yours seems low for the time
@@thegreenerthemeaner car ran 11.60 with an automatic. Remember, when this car comes off the line, it's at very low rpm so the hp at that specific time is very low. It needs to make more for its loss atbthe begining. Calculators are going to give you average hp. This car makes 180hp off the line for quite along time before it comes into its real hp zone
this pass was with street tires. if i open it up it just revs to 8200 and sits there. i only hit the 4 barrel 120 feet out onto the track with street tires.
@@deantruax7202 I got a st10 behind a 383 hopin I have better luck with it lol just finishing up the car now I did alot of research and found alot of people complaining about the oil making it not shift like you said but I got some royal purple max gear suppose to be good for the brass syncros hope it lasts a little while its gonna be gettin abused may need a gforce 4 speed sooner then I thought
@@deantruax7202 only paid 250 dollars for the trans and the Hurst competition plus so itll make not to painful if I need to change it I see people asking big money for then now
@@atothez1394 i actually used the royal purple gear max in it, it worked the best out of all the oils. the only oil that was better was the redline MT40. But the mt40 is really thin and not really designed for the insaine Gear lash that these old 4 speeds have. if yourre a good driver, a muncie or a well set up st10 will shift quick, muncie shifts better for sure. if ur not slamming the clutch with slicks the st10 and mucie are fine. i like the way the st10 shifter worrks better that the muncie behind the side cover. the st10 is abit more direct, but meh, even if it is set up to shift, the st10 will burn the syncros faster. mild 383s dont rev up that high so a muncie will shift really good! u dont need a dog box. too bad ur not up here canada to come for a ride haha... my munie shifts quite well past 7000 rpm. 7500 still works great. i dont ram the shit outta it.
im not shifting it anywhere as close to as fast as i can shift this trans. Im just trying to repsect the caveman old fasioned syncros. they shift faster but dont last that long.
i shift it faster, but the syncro should only doo soo much. the teeth eat up quick when i shift it really fast. drop the trans oil after a day of drag racing hard and ul see whats in the oil. stock syncro...
It can shift pretty quick, faster than this video, but the best is when u video yourself and realize that what you think is quick is actually very slow.
I've taken guys for rides and they think I'm powershifting if they don't look when I really drive it... Then I check the video and it seems super slow... It's deceiving
lol, cocky & he has no idea how to flat shift.... Watch video of some of the legends like Ronnie Sox, Bill Grumpy Jenkins, Dyno Don & Hubert Platt...then come back in a few years!!
I can powershift better than anyone. But this is a stock transmission. Il pull threw the syncro amd scrap them. A convensional ring will only shift soo fast.
Well done Dean! From one racer to another, being cool, collected, and having fun while staging is winning every time!!
My first vehicle had an M-22 close ratio in it. Old chevy Scottsdale 3/4 with a built up 355. Everything broke but the trans. When the apocalypse hits only thing will be left are cockroaches ,9th generation Toyota Corollas (03-08)and M22 Rock crushers.
Fuckin crazy you say this. I said the other day only thing left after the apocalypse is roaches, Hall & Oates music, and Chevy small blocks lol
Good stuff, amazing how tall that 1st gear is.
RRRRUUUMMMPPIITTYY is one of my favorite sounds in the world !! The car seems pretty sweet too.Congrats !😎👍✌🇨🇦
I wish all of the f*cking experts in the comments would post YOUR videos of YOU in YOUR race car so we could tell YOU how to drive. I think Dean knows his car and is driving accordingly.
Fucking back seat driver . !
Yeah, YOU tell EM.
They all drive step N steer
Did we not take our meds today?
💯
Brings back great memories 🤯 I had a 69z28 ,built up 302 w/5:38 gears,daily driver🤯🤯😎😎💪💪
The close second to third shift M-22 was one of the things I loved about my 327 cubic inch w/ a single 4 barrel 650 dual feed double pumper Holley carb'ed 65 El Camino n cruising E Street San Bernardino Ca on Friday n Saturday nights. The Sig Erson cam was labeled 'mostly strip n little street' :) We never got shut down n raced any cubic inch or carb combo that was game to try us. Miles Cobbett, Author of the HW boxing book Champion
excellent. motor in this video has a 650 carb. the camshaft is a solid rollor that will rev to the moon. very very wide powerband. the cam is actually defined for big inch pro-street, or turbo/Blower.
On a m22 and m21 close ratio the 1-2 2-3 3-4 were all the same only the 1st gear had the longer rpm range. They were made for drag racing.
I grew up in San Bernardino CA in the 60s and 70 did a little Street racing at Cajon Blvd and remember E St well those were the days.
I just dig the gear whine of the M22 .. Top Loader , Super T10 all excellent in my book 👍
288 first gear, killer
That's sweet brother, in the old they were called M 22 rock crushers
Left out days there
Sweet!! That was perfect.......
Got to love a good old 4-speed
I run a tremec tko600 pro built by Liberty gear behind a 421 Chevy small block.Not a cheap trans but a really sweet shifting trans.The overdrive knocks the 3.90 gears down pretty good for highway travel too.
damn..i got 4.56s and i drive 80 miles to my track with no overdrive with the rpm at 4000.
@@deantruax7202 😂🙏
@@deantruax7202 because you are boss!
That small block sounds really healthy
Great Music… good shifting
I have two Muncie 4 speeds , sitting on a shelf as I can't use them because they can't handle the hp or torque my engine produces , even built the can't handle much over 600 hp and end up failing , the only oem 4 speed that can handle the power is a Ford top loader , two things Ford did better then chevy was the 4 speed top loader and the 9 inch rear-end , and im a chevy fan but facts don't lie!!!!!!
the top loader will not shift as well as a muncie, from the factory. if modifed yes and the top loader is stronger. and the ford 9 has more hp loss because of the placement of the pinion in the case, and for general drag racing use with a conventional ford 9, the ford 9 is more prone to front bearing faliure. if going all out the for 9 is tougher. but thats talking huge hp numbers. i have some friends up her that run 1000 hp on 12 bolts and no problems at all. and in these acpplications its more practical. cant chnage a chevy guys mind, or a ford guy haha.. im not aloud to have anything ford
@@deantruax7202so think the m22 can handle 1000hp?
@@thephantomzoneboxing it can. Depending the condtions
@@thephantomzoneboxing definitely will handle 1000 hp if its in 4th gear. Which is not actually a gear.
I had an M21with a Hurst shifter n my '67 SS 396/350 Chevelle. The shifts were significantly shorter.
You need. The old hurst super shifter 3 I used on for years. Way fast than the one you have. Keep going . sounded good
Agree! I’ve had a couple of them in different cars of course. If you’re worried about stock location for the shifter, they aren’t for that person.
Nice shifting dude
We called them “Stone Crushers “ I had the “M-22 fine spline Stone Crusher.
Rock Crushers ⚡
My 1970 454 Chevelle Canada Group 🌟
Big Jollies, Thanks!
All the ones commenting negatives on this video are just armchair racers that wished their Prius could even run an eighth of what this 72 deuce just did.
That 2:20-1 first gear in the M22 close ratio will really challenge the launch without a low rear axle ratio like a 4:56 or lower. I would forget all the helpful tips on power shifting. The gears in this transmission are expensive.
The car as is in this video had 4.56 its completely not okay for racing standards. It needs 5.38 in the diff to be okay. I had a 2.64 first gear on 4.56 and it was better to get out. But i didnt want to sacrifice the sound of close ratios. From a roll its quite a condender
@@deantruax7202 There you go, I agree but that 5.38 ain't much fun on the street. I ran a close ratio with a 4.56 for a while, it didn't get out of the hole very good but it would break a motor mount. I like your car. El Camino?
@@Dan-ez6dr 72 nova. I never really slamm it down off the line, im easy on it when it has slicks on. 28 spline axles.. haha
@@Dan-ez6dr the 2.64 super t10 gear box was fun on the street, the close ratio muncie is also just as fun, but it gets younim trouble. It pulls over 60 mph im 1st when i sling it. Before you know, 4 gear comes amd your really breaking speed limits haha
@@deantruax7202 2.66 1ston my T56 with 411 and 26 in tire its almost not enough gear....6th is still useless way too tall
Keep that muncie! If you gotta try a GV overdrive the new tremecs will never shift/take the abuse your muncie will. Im switching back
Looks like a Nova.
This just equals badass I mean Nova and 327 and M22 fuck yeah I want it !
Rock Crushers 💪
I got a M-21 Muncie 4 speed that has the same gear ratio , just not the Harden gears of the M-22
What rear end gears do you have that makes you do burnouts in second gear?
4.56 , with small tires
@@deantruax7202 4.11s and could do them with 3.73s.
Burnout box is watered down, rev it to 2-3k dump the clutch and light em up . Takes less time than it would in 1st less rpm too
And that’s 100+
You do the math
Loads of wheel spin and an extremely tall 1st gear.
Next video, try leaving the go pedal on the floor when shifting. We wait impatiently. (it's called "Power-shifting") :)
lol try telling that to the stock 28 spline axles... haha maybe next year il do it. ive tried a few times lifting just a tad, see in other videos.
@@deantruax7202 I've had big cube Pontiacs my whole life, with Muncies and 3.55s. Even had a Mr. Gasket Vertical Gate shifter in a 65 tri-power Goat in the 70s on the street for over 10 yrs, (Daily driver), and never broke a tranny, 10 or 12 bolt rear. With tons of full throttle power shifts. Trick is, no slicks. Use-ta drive the car 2 hrs to the drags, (Epping NH, and Prescot, Ark.), and always drove home. No trailer. Maybe not the best outta the hole, but lots of fun anyway. I'll check out your other videos, and wait patiently for your up-dated version. :)
@@joequillun7790 with ta`s i have full confidence. but with the slicks i know the wheels will literally fly out from under the car. i stopped using the tas because when i hit 2nd gear the motor pretty much just stays on the redline. ive really played with pinion angles and caltracs to dial it in, but it s abit tough to eliminate the spin. car has gone 11.88 with slicks with a conservative launch, 12.00 with street tire burning the clutch. i usually run it around 12.0 in bracket with slicks driving it normally. this car gets only drag raced and only driven to the track. its not aloud on a trailer. its a true street car. i actually won the nastagia points series championship in bracket with this car this year up here in canada, and i was the only guy showing up on my own power and not on a trailer.
@@deantruax7202 I give you credit for running a stick shift, in bracket racing. It takes talent to win with a clutch. It appears your car is an early Nova, (66-67?). I know the wheel wells were tight in them cars, and you're limited to tire size, and good traction. When the tubbed cars (pro street) became popular in the late 70s, it became much more beneficial for your car, but I'm guessing you're not tubbed. But low 12s with a 327 in a steel car like yours is very respectable. Now, go out and get yourself a Moser 12 bolt, and a G-force 4 speed, and give us a treat to some full powershifts. :)
@@joequillun7790 this car is a 72 nova, full weight. 3300 roughly with me in it. I run a 26x8 slick. pretty much the smallest tire possible with a stock posi. this car did 11.50s with a pretty basic automatic th350 with a 3500 converter. right now the car is trapping sometimes at 118 mph in reasonable air, but typically 116.
Nice!!! What's with that shit in the passenger seat. That junk is costing you ET!!! :D Great shifts!
Hell yeah
I need a
4 speed
Really nice shifting but u should change were the linkages go make for a shorter shift. I have that same transmission in my 62 impala I my shift stroke is half of what yours is. Good job tho
hi! i have a muncie that i would love to make a short shift for.. could you email me info? thanks!
Ran a m21 in my 67 chevelle 402 4:11.first to second was always kinda cheesy.got it out of 68 olds 442 w31 car
Keep practicing those shifts.
Me or anyone who drove my SS that really shifted well made it sound like a full on, manual valve body automatic going down track.
The M22 with the shifter and linkage set up right could be shifted quicker than any other 4spd.
I love the big shit eating grin at third gear !
Nice but what’s with lifting the gas during the shift?
sorry,,, ;lol i know it should be shifted wide open.. when i shift it really fast the rpm bearly drops and just spîns
@@deantruax7202 Great fun either way!
Hard to hear over the motor but thee toughest 4 speed ever! Thats why they called it the Rock Crusher!
Chrysler (new Process) A 833 Is tougher, IMHO. 50% bigger copy of a T-10. I've rebuilt a few and driven them. FYI, the Overdrive aluminum case is the same input bearing dimensionally as the hemi case. Saves 23 lbs as I recall. I had a Hemi 4 speed that was worked over with no synchros for speed shifting, but it was beat. I guess that was the high tech before Lenco's and such. There's no broken cast iron cases. But I love them all.
The only thing I would suggest, is bucket seats. Even if they are cheap race seats, they are lighter than that damn bench seat. I'm wanting to say that this is a Nova, but I can't say with 100% certainty. If so, what year? Hell, even if it's not a Nova, what type of car/year is it?
Its a real 1972 nova. The bench seat weighs nothing.
Its a street car.
I was expecting him to fly back in the seat from the G forces but not happening
He spun em like crazy when he launched. Not easy to launch a 4spd
you lifted!
How much horsepower? And what gears are in rear?
4.56 gears with a 26 tire. hp not really sure, magazine hp= 500hp.
its probbably 430 to the wheels
@@deantruax7202 according to the calculator I used, it is 420 flywheel hp in a 3300 lb car should trap at 119 and run 12.03. That is perfect world.
robrobinette.com/et.htm
I almost agree with those numbers but, the trap seems a little high and yours seems low for the time
@@thegreenerthemeaner car ran 11.60 with an automatic. Remember, when this car comes off the line, it's at very low rpm so the hp at that specific time is very low. It needs to make more for its loss atbthe begining. Calculators are going to give you average hp. This car makes 180hp off the line for quite along time before it comes into its real hp zone
Bench seat elky .. Nothing finer .. unless he had his girl friend in there waiting for him to make the 2nd and 4th gear shift
That's a Nova
Bogged leaving the line. Rest was pretty good. Have fun!
this pass was with street tires. if i open it up it just revs to 8200 and sits there. i only hit the 4 barrel 120 feet out onto the track with street tires.
Gotta love the people who have the audacity to try and criticize. Good stuff brotha
@@christopherdenardis3894I must agree. the ones who don't even have a car of their own.
Does anyone know if they have taken the grass out of the top end of the race track
? Like if you runn off the track because u have no brakes? Corn feild cement divider whole track steel guard rail in the traps
didn't sound like close ratio. must have been a mouse motor.
see the post above about my 'mouse' motor.
327. a mouse that can roar.
@@MilesCobbett the tach on a BB doesn't sweep like the second hand on a watch. The clutch pedal is fully up and it is time to shift again.
Really 4.56s ?
Gears sound tall
4.56 with 27 tire.(255/60/15)
Row It !!!
Caulice? Quebec??
Yes sir. Lol
I'll give you a ride in a real "clutch" car next year lol
Slow but sounded great
You blow up the super t10?
@@deantruax7202 I got a st10 behind a 383 hopin I have better luck with it lol just finishing up the car now I did alot of research and found alot of people complaining about the oil making it not shift like you said but I got some royal purple max gear suppose to be good for the brass syncros hope it lasts a little while its gonna be gettin abused may need a gforce 4 speed sooner then I thought
@@deantruax7202 only paid 250 dollars for the trans and the Hurst competition plus so itll make not to painful if I need to change it I see people asking big money for then now
@@atothez1394 i actually used the royal purple gear max in it, it worked the best out of all the oils. the only oil that was better was the redline MT40. But the mt40 is really thin and not really designed for the insaine Gear lash that these old 4 speeds have. if yourre a good driver, a muncie or a well set up st10 will shift quick, muncie shifts better for sure. if ur not slamming the clutch with slicks the st10 and mucie are fine. i like the way the st10 shifter worrks better that the muncie behind the side cover. the st10 is abit more direct, but meh, even if it is set up to shift, the st10 will burn the syncros faster. mild 383s dont rev up that high so a muncie will shift really good! u dont need a dog box. too bad ur not up here canada to come for a ride haha... my munie shifts quite well past 7000 rpm. 7500 still works great. i dont ram the shit outta it.
@@atothez1394 i have a bran new stock competition plus shifter. it works great. it takes 3rd like a computer. haha
go with masiero m22 wide ratio
Who else knows what he said.
And that's how you get it done.
Sounds like you could shave a tenth by shifting better
im not shifting it anywhere as close to as fast as i can shift this trans. Im just trying to repsect the caveman old fasioned syncros. they shift faster but dont last that long.
let her eat...
Learn how to powershift!
shorting up your shift to long
i shift it faster, but the syncro should only doo soo much. the teeth eat up quick when i shift it really fast. drop the trans oil after a day of drag racing hard and ul see whats in the oil. stock syncro...
That’s a long throw from 1st to 2nd for a close ratio
It's closer if I don't baby drive it, check some of my other videos.
Being a close ratio has doing to do with the throw on the shifter
Sam Spade exactly! Its the gearing inside and they think its the short shifter throw
@@samspade4050 poor import drivers don't have a clue.
this guy has that classic " Race Car Face " ! lol .
Granny shifting
Shifting to slow I had a Muncie years ago I would slam them way faster
It can shift pretty quick, faster than this video, but the best is when u video yourself and realize that what you think is quick is actually very slow.
I've taken guys for rides and they think I'm powershifting if they don't look when I really drive it... Then I check the video and it seems super slow... It's deceiving
lol, cocky & he has no idea how to flat shift.... Watch video
of some of the legends like Ronnie Sox, Bill Grumpy Jenkins, Dyno Don & Hubert Platt...then come back in a few years!!
I can powershift better than anyone. But this is a stock transmission. Il pull threw the syncro amd scrap them. A convensional ring will only shift soo fast.
Rookie
Muncie is a piece of crap. Get a Ford Toploader then you got something.
those was the days , was strange when a member of our racing team could not wait for a 4 speed, took a automatic, instead, kicked all our asses
You stumbled a little bit in the first gear baby need to bump the timing up a little bit