Clueless Lawyer Defends The Completionist
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Today I am responding to a lawyer who defended Jirard.
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Get that bag
No.
You're a legend Karl
Keep your p2w garbage to yourself.
Karl forgor to pin the message 😢😢😢
The other day, I saw a guy getting held up and robbed at gun point. I was going to call the police, but then I thought "wait a minute.... I'm not a lawyer. I can't determine if this is illegal."
Someone was having a heart attack, but I’m not a doctor so I couldn’t know that for sure to call 911, so I just kept going. Hope a doctor walked by to help him though.
Nice one, Jared! 😂
Also, really cool to see you here in Karl's comments!
I did actually call the police, but he couldn't do anything because he isn't a lawyer either.
Props to your channel 👊
I cannot go to a doctor without knowing the medical description of my ailment in Latin.
I'm actually glad that there are people willing to challenge Jobst on his investigations. Even if they're not the best challenges seeing Jobst defend his position gives me a better understanding of the situation as a whole.
It’s also hilarious.
Agreed!
For sure!
I would genuinely recommend Moonie's video if you haven't seen it; it made me want to tear my hair out for many of the same reasons Karl portrays here, but the point of the video was more about how making public accusations can open one up to legal risk, and how the things presented within Karl's videos did not constitute definitive proof.
And karl has opened himself up to legal risk, but that was a risk that he made an informed decision to take; the same cannot be said of your average viewer or a random person trying to emulate this type of investigation, and those are the people who actually need to see Moonie's video.
It was like watching a Tiger take down a sheep.
Hearing him CONSTANTLY hold up his mom as a victim shield is sickening once you know the truth about this POS
He's like that privileged trust fund social justice warrior who constantly says things like "...one of my friends is (African-American/Asian/Latino/whatever)..." because she feels like it gives them some kind of power of appeal.
Like they get a high off being able to wear that affliction on their sleeve.
Imagine the person you habe to be to defile your own mothers corpse
You’d think he would know exactly when she was diagnosed instead of pulling whatever date he feels out of his ass.
Yeah we've all had family pass away, and we don't mess up the years / details like this clown does regularly @@ApolloSniperman
She was used as a poster child for them, where information was made up or embellished to raise money for years. Then used for sympathy once they were exposed. Makes you wonder what their relationship was like when she was alive. Did they even have a nice relationship?
I love that Jirard pretends that he quits because he finds out Bestbuy wants to upsell.
Upselling is one of the things they train you for. Bestbuy is notorious for their upsell tactics.
It's like me trying to be like "I worked at Disneyland and one day they told me I needed to smile more and I lost it"
It's like becoming an infantryman then quitting because you're supposed to use firearms. It is a basic sales strategy used in all companies that have sales personnel. Your job is to sell things & sell well. Of course, despite refusing to upsell, he was the best salesman of all time.
There's no way you talk to employees like that as a manager/supervisor and keep your job, either. He's clearly either making the whole thing up or exaggerating what happened. Coming from someone who's seen a supervisor get demoted simply for calling 2 employees stupid (some other contributing factors too but that was the last straw).
@@Shmandalf I think perhaps he was more telling on himself in that instance. That's what he perhaps genuinely remembers of the manager because it's how he understands himself to be.
It’s funny because you can just tell jirard was one of their better upsellers at the time
@@Shmandalfyeah if any of my managers straight up insulted me like that without any constructive criticism I'd sure as hell be going above their head to report it.
If you're a manager it's your job to either fire people or instruct them on how to improve their work. Just calling someone stupid does absolutely nothing
If only Jirard could have held the funds for another 50 years, he could have single-handedly cured dementia.
Funny thing about that...the account the money was isn't wasn't interesting bearing....
Maybe he has it too since he forgot about it for so long 😂
Charity accounts can't hold interest actually. Given that, the account actually depreciated because of inflation lol.
Maybe he has dementia and forgot to send that donation 🤔
@@PlsDontReadThis123yeah jirard did a very bad thing but joking about dementia really isn’t it cheif
Its understandable to forget your keys.
Its completely normal to forget to buy the milk.
But nobody EVER forgot they have $670,000 stashed away in a bank account, and then hired a family member to forget too.
The milk thing is super real went to the supermarket because I needed milk and other things, bought the other stuff and forgot the milk.
I would never forget any sum of money tho
@@patricioacuna1688never go shopping hungry, every time I do I do the same and forget what I needed and come back with no money and a ton of junk
@@Sm64wiithis!
Personally I think they used it as their own loan/borrow piggy bank. It's been sitting there far far too long for them not to interact with it. The only question I have giving benefit of the doubt, if he really DIDN'T know about it and he JUST found out about it he should had made it a priority to get that money off his hands asap. Then hire someone in PR consulting to go over what to say should anything come up about it to have his ducks in a row. ...He didn't do any of that until after the fact.
Him acting like that half a million is like your car keys that you often forget is hilarious.
Bit concerning that a lawyer didn't even bother with the 'discovery' phase
The way he describes a legal case, the lawyers aren't allowed to make any accusations in their opening statements and only start gathering evidence after the trial begins.
You're assuming that he being a lawyer means that he understands everything that he covers. He's not a Charity Tax and Charity Fraud lawyer. Obviously he was always going to be wrong when going at Karl.
@@Zramy I'm not assuming that at all.
All "lawyering" starts with 'discovery'.
That's just the fancy law term for 'find out what the facts are'.
I don't care if he specialises in bird law, the fact he assumed there was no supporting evidence instead of checking himself, or even just asking Karl, is disturbing.
I think the quotes belong around 'lawyer' rather than 'discovery'😂
Shows just how bad of a lawyer this Mooney jackass truly is.
The part Jobst mentions but didn't let play out in the podcast where he quit best buy about buying things with 1's, he says he "borrowed a couple thousand dollars from his dad", took it to the bank and exchanged it all for 1 dollar bills, and went back to the best buy he had quit to buy everything he needed for youtube, and because the purchase was over a certain amount the manager had to come and count the money. He says he bought "microphones, capture cards, hard drives, musical instruments, [and] sound proof boards". As the manager finished counting his mountain of 1 dollar bills, he told him "this is my notice, I'm never coming back here, I'm not giving you two weeks, I'm done. Penalize me, I don't give a shit" as if he would even still have a job after he publicly cussed him out, said he quit, and stormed out after selling a customer her ipod. In the same bit he says he grew up "lower middle class" and somehow reconciles that with being able to borrow what sounds like about 5,000 dollars from your dad for a theatrical resignation from best buy. As he finishes the story the host just goes "whoo...."
Yeah I don't know in what universe Jirard was "lower middle class."
His mom took him on a 9 month road trip with a guru, spent half a million, and his father didn't even fucking notice.
Who can withdraw half a million in cash from their marital bank account? And not even be noticable from normal spending?
And his name. . . was Albert Einstein.
He also got a job at MySpace because he bother was a higher up didn't he? Those lower middle class tech executives
Rich people love fantasizing about being poor.
Where is David Beckham when you need him?
I am actually surprised nobody even noted how dumb all that sounds. I assume most of the people just tolerated what he said or didn't really pay attention. Only wanted something done for charity. But the things you are telling are just too stupid to ignore and not say anything about it.
I imagine Jirad is cursing Moon right now. People were just starting to get distracted by other stuff and now this is brought up again with MORE evidence.
This is the type of thing that no one will ever forget, though. If Billy Mitchell had just admitted to cheating years ago and tried to laugh it off, he probably could have made it back into the good graces of the public by now. But the chunky bearded fuckstain is never going to live this charity fraud down.
Bless your dramafarming greed, Moon, bless your dramafarming greed. ❤️
Yeah I had forgot about it, but then I have never watched the Completionist so I'm not affected by this debacle.
evidence that should've been in the original video..
It didn't need to be. He already provided plenty. Any more would be over kill in the court of public opinion.
The rest is likely being saved for if open hand/Jirard even thinks about trying legal action
I had a nightmare about how Karl made a video on me because I messed up a customer's order at work and my "flagrant disrespect for my work was out of control". Terrifying stuff.
If you end up in a Karl Jobst or hbomberguy video it's just clover for you
What a spectacular dream
this is the best comment I've read so far.
LOL I love this comment
Next episode from Jobst
IT WAS ALL A LIE
Moony portraying Jirard as some pathetic smol-bean uwu fucky-wucky nervous goofball is the funniest thing ever.
Wtf language is that shit man.
Just say nervous goofball or nervous public speaker lmao, adding all that extra shit makes your point look extra tryhard
A lot of people have viewed Jirard that way until very recently (I always had my doubts about Jirard but never expected charity fraud). That said, Moony did end up taking down that video after he realized it was doing more damage than good while admitting he was basically completely wrong. Guess that's what happens when you make a video of a serious topic without doing thorough research... sigh. Moony's other content is better at least (this was actually pretty atypical of his average video)
moony's vid was completely malicious in intent. glad he took it down after backlash.@@Ghostrander
@@Ghostrander it's so funny, he put that video out to help Jirard but it backfired spectacularly. This video exposes him way more than the previous ones.
That happens when you call out fucking liars like Mooney. They get scared real quick
mr judge, I did not know murder was illegal, I did not study the law
"Ignorance of the law is not a defense for murder ( id. [SOME CASE])" -The Judge
@@gabrote42 in fact, it is not a defense for any crime.
🗣️"I was never taught what laws there are"
@@malicekerendu3574HAHA THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING
Its like shoplifting honestly
"That guy over there is stealing my car!"
"You're not a lawyer. How can you know that what he's doing is illegal??"
“The internet is so toxic, why can’t you wait to hear the car thief’s side before throwing pitchforks”
"How can you tell the internet is toxic? Did you even attend law school to identify this?" @@mredbadger
@@M3rtyvillehow do you know he didnt attend law school? Did you attend law school to be able to tell?
Your car was stolen? How do we know you didnt give it away? Dont you even care about innocent until proven guilty?
All of you are making baseless accusations, backed by sloppy research. Did any of you even attend law school? The court of public opinion is no place to try this case
Imagine how terrifying it would be if you had video footage of a man steeling your car AND confessing on camera that he stole your car but Moony is your lawyer
"Your honor, you say you've seen the video evidence and theres no way my client didnt steal his car, but were forgetting the most important piece of evidence which is how much money you really make"
The whole endowment thing made me realize something.
Jirad didnt even bother talking to a lawyer to see whats the best excuse for what he was doing was, despite doing it for over a decade.
Part of me is happy he didn’t because it exposes him as a liar. He didn’t just mispeak, his entire story changes.
He was probably afraid that would expose him. Sociopathic liars can also be paranoid.
''I'm dealing with a frivolous lawsuit from a psychopath''
*Billy Mitchell appears* lmao
😂it’s great.
It's just a coincidence...
The Billy Mitchell video is going to be epic.
There is absolutely no way Jirard cursed out his manager, quit his job, and then proceeded to sell a customer an iPod as if he still worked there. In what universe is that plausible?
he's just that dope of a guy /s
@@Nova_Afterglowafter all his mother defied science in ways we cannot imaagine!
His lies are honestly on the level of fake reddit stories written by teenagers..
The only thing missing is the customers applauding and cheering on him🤣
Haven't listened to the video yet, but I'm sure everybosy clapped also
As he left the store, he put on his aviators and slowly walked away as the Best Buy exploded into flames.
Former Best Buy employee here: Best Buy would never let you bring your own decorations. They have company equipment and decorations sent from corporate or approved vendors. Another example of jirard lying out of his ass lmao
I really don't think ANY large chain would let a random employee walk in with whatever decorations they felt like bringing. They have a very specific brand image to abide to.
@@joaopires1761 if it’s a smaller business you MIGHT get away with it but even then that’s such a worthless thing to do.
I worked at Best Buy in 2009-2012. We were allowed to bring stuff in if management thought it would look good and helped sales or made for a fun addition.
Jirard is a stinky liar but he's not wrong on this point.
I work in a homedepot, and I can't even take a cap with the logo of a company we don't carry products off.
I worked at an EB games and we had a manager who was dedicated to selling stuff the same way Gerard claims he was. The general manager had to tell him to knock it off because customers were complaining about how insistent he was. You don't have to put effort into talking to customers about video games, they come to you for that. Literally customers often come to the store intending to ask you about which ones are good or not and why. Almost every employee who works at a place like that is passionate about video games and will hype up their favourite games, Gerard would not have stood out in that regard unless he was over the top about it, which customers DON'T like.
The way Moony says "when Jirard says the bigger the donation, the better, *this is true*" as if it's some esoteric knowledge that you need a lawyer to figure out makes me violently angry.
Also, because of inflation, the donation is actually smaller than it would have been since that account doesn't accrue interest.
@@GeraltofRivia22 You're leaving out the endowment thing, which is an absolutely fucked system, but setting that up would invalidate that concern.
@@Sintra4 but he didn't do that.
@@Sintra4 what endowment thing? An endowment was never on the table. It was always a fairy tale that moony pulled out of his ass. Open hand didnt even try to claim that because they know the amount of money they raised is nowhere near enough for a typical endowment. There is no "endowment thing", no one besides moony ever mentioned an endowment.
It is clear from context that they meant 1 bigger donation is better than several smaller donations. I have no idea why though. Several people have said the account didn't earn interest, so any benefits of a single larger donation would obviously be offset by that.
Before this video: Maybe he's just lying for his dad... Still bad.
After this video: Holy crap, Jirard has been a compulsive liar for a decade plus.
It blew me away how often Jirard has been senselessly lying as well, I had no idea it was one of his character traits.
I never got why people sympathized for him using the _his dad was the real douchebag_
Yes, it's clear that Charles (his father) was the real mastermind, that doesn't excuse that Jirard was a willing accomplice. Even if folk believe that he didn't know that the funds were just stockpiled for years until he was made aware in 2022, he still did nothing about it and continued running Indieland bussines as usual.
He knew what he was doing, I'm tired of people using the _his father stronghold him into his scam_ he started Indieland in 2018 when he was 30, he wasn't a naive teen/young adult that was gaslit by his dad and if you somehow still believe that it does not change the fact that he didn't take action when he was made aware that the funds were not donated for a decade.
@@Xfushion2 given Jirad’s cultural background, I can understand how some people might run with this narrative. I agree with your wholeheartedly, but I don’t fault people for wanting to try and give him an out, however weak of an out if might be
Compulsive lying by narcissists and charity fraud, what an iconic duo.
his mother would have been so proud. okay that was a dark usage of that phrase 😂☠️...
makes me wonder tho if even his mom died of dementia at this point...
Karl Jobst has transcended speedrunning and has become the grim reaper of bullshitters.
“Grim Reaper of Bullshitters” is a hard as fuck title lmao
The Hbomberguy of game scandals
@@hubguy naw naw naw. jobst is way scarier than bomberguy could ever be.
Can't let cheaters cheat the IRL speedrun.
@@hubguy HBG is a bullshitter himself, and gets all of his opinions and "research" from forums instead of doing any work
Karl is actually a good content creator unlike HBG
Man, that Best Buy quitting story has gotta be the most obvious, copypasta sounding lie I've ever heard, I was half expecting there to be a "and then everyone clapped" at the end
People are blaming Karl for the backlash Moonie is getting, but it was Moonie's own ineffective research that caused this video. Karl has EVERY right to defend himself.
And every serious youtuber (Moonie included) gets sponsorships. This is a moot point.
He got backlash long before this video, and it's for good reason. This video itself is Karl backlashing. It's a byproduct of having a massive platform/reach, that your missteps have a proportionate level of people responding to them.
(and criticism does not equal hate or harassment, which is a whole separate matter and not something that's prevalent by all appearances)
@@brady9592 I meant backlash over this particular subject. Criticism is one thing, wanting someone to be doxed is another.
I'm not familiar with Moon's channel and admittedly am curious to see if this is a trend with him or not, to be as fair in the situation as possible.
@@rpproductions6241 People aren't wanting him doxed. I don't know where this idea is coming from besides people being skeptical of him being a lawyer and saying "is he a lawyer" is a far cry from doxing.
@brady9592 Two words: deleted comments. I've spied one here and there when it first started on videos, but all removed. Doesn't mean it's serious. It's a point of how people are taking shit too far.
@@rpproductions6241 But when we talk about "the backlash" Moony is getting we talk about what it actually looks like. Not what a couple deleted comments spotted in over 10 thousand look like.
This isn't where you're coming from, but its the sort of thing overzealous fans will make the focus to characterize this whole thing as something it's not/to victim frame Moony. Anyways, I don't mean to come down so hard on you in particular, it's just one of those things you see people saying without any evidence enough times it starts to grind your gears.
“He sounds almost as pompous as me” 😂 never change Karl
By using Moon's logic I can't determine what an elephant is because I'm not a zoologist
He also said that if someone uses outside sources to verify your claim of an elephant, your original claim doesn't stand.
I am unable to know the difference to know the difference between cooked fish and sushi cause I'm not a chef
By Moon's logic You can say You can proove UFO exist cause You watched X-Files
I don't know the first thing about flying a helicopter but I can sure as shit tell when someone's doing it wrong.
And I couldn't distinguish a soup from an apple until I became a master chef.
Imagine if we invalidate every single journalistic piece ever written because the journalist wrote it to pay his bills
No information would ever be public again. I don’t know why, but something about silencing media seems like a bad idea…
I would go further. Clearly, doctors, teachers, firefighters, etc., should also be looked down upon if they want to get paid for their jobs. I mean, it's obvious that a guy running into a burning building that might collapse has ulterior motives if he ends up getting paid.
or even.... lawyers :)
"Watergate wasn't *real,* Carl Bernstein was clearly just trying to get paid" 🤣🤣
im looking at firefighters different now. i wouldn't let one save me from a burning building, wouldn't be genuine. they're getting...PAID to do it..? GROSS 🤮🤮🤮
I love how Moony states that he has no bias towards Jirard, yet he precedes to claim that Jirard is innocent while also dunking on Karl.
@@deejrdee1you didn’t watch the video or listen to the phone call
it is so hilariously, unintentionally funny that the guy used the berry big circus theme when going on his unhinged endowments rant that makes him look completely clownish
A very "Sir this is a Wendy's" moment
UPDATE: Moony issued an apology on reddit and admitted his lack of knowledge about the case invalidates his take on it.
it seems so...because every comment that I left on moon's video about "how come he didn't listen to the last discord interview call with Jirard?" got deleted
Did he take the video down? Did he return the money he made from it?
@@amy_gracehe didn’t make any money off it lol, all his “drama” videos are fundraisers unlike a certain blonde aussie
@@SixeticYou really thought you had something there didn't you?
His apology seemed more like he didn't know what a nest of weird drama he stumbled upon and didn't want any part of it lol
"It's innocent until proven guilty, Karl is looking at Jirard uncharitably" *proceeds to immediately assume Karl is doing it for money and attention and paints him in an uncharitable light*
The main difference between smart and dumb people when it comes to arguments is how good at mental gymnastics they are, not how likely they are to be right or wrong.
@@liarwithagun Being a good bullshitter =/= intelligence.
Well, if you're an attorney defending your client, this is what you do to the plaintiffs. You have to make the suit lose credibility. I think moony is just doing his job as a lawyer but forgot that it's on UA-cam.
Yeah it's a common fallacy. If you defend someone on the basis of 'innocent until proven guilty' you have to apply that to both parties. You can't just use it to wave away the allegations while attacking the accuser.
@@liarwithagun”it’s hard to argue with a smart person, but it’s impossible to argue with a dumb one”
It's so funny how the only research he did was about endowments and no one even mentioned them.
The one thing I can respect about people like Karl Jobst and Mudahar is that they show their work and explain how, when and why on whatever subject is brought up, people like that are ones I can trust, open and honest, something I feel like we don't get enough these days.
lol yea right. Muda is a phoney.
the one singular thing, alright then
@@gorillazfan3 receipts for that claim?
@gorillazfan3 where’s the proof? I would love to know, but you’re just pulling it out of your ass.
Jirard talking about being #1 at selling games and his example is he pumped up MARIO games of all things is so ridiculous. I'm sure Nintendo and Best Buy are sooooo thankful you sold Mario games as they would normally just sit on the shelf collecting dust.
I can hear his sales pitch now:
“Have you ever heard of Mario?”
@@Ckoz2829 It's next big thing I tell ya!
Did he pump up call of duty games as well?😂😂😂
He said he dumpster dived to get statues that GameStop threw out.
Dude...in what world would any employee of GameStop throw out a statue like the one Jirard pointed to?
And then what Best Buy policy would allow Jirard to bring in the statue to "help" sell games?
The guy is a fucking compulsive liar.
@@doddsino To be fair Gamestop does throw out a bunch of shit for no reason
Karl sounding actually mad with "I could really fucking use that money right now" caught me off guard, bro was _mad_ mad.
Rightfully so, man's in shaky financial waters right now and he still has Billy Mitchell's litigation to deal with. Things are even more problematic considering how Twin Galaxies settled against Billy Mitchell.
"I have egregious motive to commit libel, this is obvious proof I am innocent."
@@StrikeWarlock"Things are even more problematic considering how Twin Galaxies settled against Billy Mitchell"
Well Billy boy might be right.
@@Varangian_af_Scaniae Billy Mitchell is a cheater.
@@NotAGoodUsername360Nice try, Jirard
Karl, it costs roughly $100,000 to get a law degree. I think this guy owes you some tuition money for that education you just provided :)
I would like to thank Moony for giving me every reason for not hiring him. Ever.
If you are in legal trouble, leave his business card in your rival's field of view
@@llewelynshingler2173 hahaha
When he said that jirard was nervous about public speaking, I died of laughter
I'm sorry for your loss of life. May you rest in pieces. 🦴☠🦴
@@BinaryBoliasthink you meant RIP: rot in pieces…
Sean Murray all over again lol
@@joshcantrell8397 🍖☠🍖
@@dragonfire4869 Difference there was Sean Murray really was visibly pretty bad at it.
Whoever put their name as Billy Mitchell on Karl's Patreon is a true legend.
Lol😂
No no, it's Billy himself. This way he will slowly pay off the lawyer fees for Karl over the course of many, many years.
Not all legends wear capes 🫡 😂
I wouldn't be suprised if it really was Billy just stalking or trying to find dirt on Karl.
@@AnyarchyI still remember when Digital Homicide donated to Jim Sterling's patreon all for the purposes of stalking.
If this is how Moony typically conducts his cases, I am very concerned for any and all of his clients
Dude was so mad, he made a documentary. Respect.
"Your honor my client is innocent, so long as we all stick our fingers in our ears, close our eyes and ignore all evidence to the contrary"
Saul: Your honor, my client was simply "gaming"
"...and let's not forget the plaintiff Karl had sponsors"
Your honor i plead lalalalalalalalalalala
Sounds like Hillary Clinton's lawyer.
Can a judge make a verdict? They are not lawyers.
I've never understood the tactic of '' this person made money covering this situation so their motives are questionable'' no one goes to work for free
Conflict of interest is an important bias to be aware of. It does not necessarily mean that the person is acting with bias, but overall it is a factor, and it is often declared when biases matter. I do not think Moon's accusations were in line, but the concept itself is valid.
Like moony didn't make that video to grow his 100k sub channel or something
Agreed. Moon's accusation of a conflict of interest was invalid now that we know how Karl's videos are monetized as he outlined in this video. However the idea that following the money is never worth it in investigations is just incorrect @@AceaIvalia
@@AceaIvalia It really depends on context tho, if we take it too literally, then the whole criminal system is biased, because policemen and lawyers get paid...
Yeah because starting artificial drama just to get easy clickbait money surely isn't a thing that's ever happened.
BAHAHAHA the WWE modded segment with you against Jirard is simply gold. That came out of nowhere, fantastic stuff
That was hilarious
There is no way this guy is a professional lawyer. I refuse to believe any lawyer is this incompetent
The story about quitting while selling the old lady her iPad is just so perfect.. I'm surprised he didn't actually include that a crowd had gathered and they all clapped as he walked off 😂
I said the same thing to myself ''and then everyone clapped'' haha.
😂😂😂
"and then the old lady tipped me 5 million dollars for dementia research money but since I'm such a cool dude I told her to keep it for herself."
And then the crowd went wild.
@@boanoah6362 kekekeke
The crowd just showered him in roses and confetti!
He found the rare manager that would take an employee away from a paying customer to yell at him while she watches.
I witnessed a murder but never reported it because I was unsure of the legality.
Tru tru
Good on you. I mean - you're not a lawyer. How can you really be sure a crime was committed?
I mean that kind of describes a plot point in the series I'm currently reading lol.
Yeah after all how were you supposed to know the law? You're not a lawyer.
Moony had been stripped of his job as a lawyer.
Moony's new job is as a 🤡
this video dissection is just a home run, The Completionist stand no chance in defending himself. The only way he can redeem his integrity is to own up to his mistakes.
41:59 - 59:22 was absolutely crazy. I thought Jirard couldn't be destroyed any further but my goodness. These lies are insanity
Best part of the video.
Jirard is probably going to have a heart attack when he sees this in his notifications.
He’s gonna start developing dementia symptoms.
Not gonna lie he might really have one given history body built.
UA-cam notifications are way less heart attack inducing when you have not committed fraud
@@evermoore66665 Dude. Too far.
@@queefqueefington But since he did, it might.
It’s kinda nuts that BOTH times Karl was accused of spreading fraud accusations for money, it was regarding videos that he didn’t sponsor.
The take away is to sponsor them in the future haha. Because clearly choosing not to sponsor a video exactly to prevent people from questioning your motive doesn't work at all.
is not like the influx of viewers from drama doesnt bring him money for the other videos, just because you know how to play the system doesnt mean you are free of blame, if profit wasnt the point, then a video wouldnt have been needed, just forward it to the authorities, consult with them when you can talk about it, if and when you can. IF jirards plan was to run with the money, the video would of been amazing for him, he could of just run away with it... The right authorities can freeze accounts and can make sure the money doesnt land somewhere it shouldnt be. IF the money was there.
Lets not make jesus out of karl, he is a drama merchant , and he has an incentive to see people in the wrong light, im not saying jirard is innocent, he is not, but is the punishment right for the crime? The only we know for certain is that he kept money for a long period of time, and eventually donated it out of pressure from people investigating, we will never know for sure if he was planning on something bad or not, but lets just say lets assume that it WAS bad, he planned to steal it all. is he then as guilty as someone who actually stole money? Because obviously he thought about stealing it, but he didnt, he donated it in the end? Should he be punished as much as someone who did steal it? or less? what about someone who missued funds for charity, used it for personal reason, and stole a bunch of money as well? and was found guilty, and even then, he never apologized or admited to doing it? Like trump with his charity? I dont see every post or every video of trump filled with people talking about his fraudulent activites? what is the endgame with jirard? to make an example out of him? to just bully someone with a good reason for it? Why is there such discrepancy on the punishemnt for differnt peoples? Jirard shouldnt be allowed to go outside ever again for thinking about stealing money, but trump should be allowed to be president for actually being convited of running a fraudulent charity?
I am not defending jirard again, but its hard to see this and see the difference and just think, yeah it makes sense, to me at this point, it feels more like a bunch of people who enjoy witchhunting people and like having a reason for it, so they are morally justified, they dont care about the crimes, or who is affected, they just like to punish and hurt people, but they wont go against people who they will face backlash from, like trump, where his followers might be worse than you
@@DarkZombehremember what karl said: he didnt make his videos because he thought Jirard's actions were legal, he made it because he thought they were morally wrong. Therefore, it was better for him to make a video rather than go to the authorities.
Also, yeah karl does it for the money - as you know. He needs money to survive just like all of us.
Just as a general note:
In my opinion, it isnt a question of whether he is making money, it's a question of "has he earned it?". And I believe that in this Completionist conflict, he has earned it
Are saying that both cannot be done. You can go to the authorities while publishing a video of your own investigation.
What's wrong with a money incentive. Even if he was greedy, attack the facts and not the motive.@@DarkZombeh
@@DarkZombeh Karl is actually a super good dude, though.
The way Moony talked, your assumption of him using your video as his only reference is VERY generous. I think, more likely, he just saw the thumbnail...
A comment on moist's video NEEDS to be heard:
"It’s so precious for Jirard to say they were waiting to make a restricted donation because they didn’t want the money to cover operational costs for another charity, while using donations to cover indieland expenses."
I’m 100% sure that the leaked Discord call nuked any chance of Jirard actually suing you, let alone being successful in court. He admitted to literally everything he was being accused of and even begged you guys not to ruin his life.
It doesn't count as leaked when the guys recording it are the ones putting it out. Also, the second video had audio that, if included in the first video, would have painted Jirard in a better light. Showing snippets like that out of context and not including all his points isn't responsible journalism, even if he's right.
Jirard played himself really.
@@hopelesslydull7588 The full audio exists, Karl showed the video where it is, and told us not to take the video as the whole truth. It's easy to got listen to it
Lawyers can very easily make the case that he was under duress, and thus the whole call could be thrown out. The video was a legal analysis, I don't know why Karl is taking it like any other random drama video lol.
@@hopelesslydull7588 (Username checks out.) Compared to what it isn't "responsible journalism"? You must have some unattainable (and in bad faith) standard that no one actually can achieve.
presenting things as a "judge" then saying you're going to look at it like a lawyer completely contradict each other.
That's how you know he's a lawyer.
Yeah, that sounds strange.
You are either judge or involved side.
Yeah pretty much
Probably involved, unless a full rubber band pocket of money
I mean, the judge comment was just a dumb joke lol. I wouldn't look into it too hard. The actual problem is with the content of Moony's video, not the dumb skit at the beginning.
59:15 - "Jirard is a bullshit artist, it's just what Jirard does" 😂 The delivery of the line was perfect
I don't believe Moonie is a lawyer.
Internet lawyer
Sure, but I'd also literally never hire a lawyer who's main focus is making youtube videos. These guys are all internet lawyers, regardless who you think does a better job lol. Don't be fooled cuz you caught one not being perfect. Lawyers are also incredibly human, fallible, and diverse in their opinions, effort, research, time, and knowledge. I have a feeling you've never met a lawyer or anyone actually in law before.
I dunnow. I've met enough lawyers to believe it.
He is a SA victims advocate if i remember correctly. Also apparently a furry or bronie.
"Moony is lying about what happened, or would it be better if I said he was being negligent" this is such a good line lol
Moon came out of nowhere and made it even worse for Jirard and I didn't think it could!
he kinda did, didn't he? I don't know if karl would've gone complete nuke on him, if moony hadn't posted his video.
Karl be like "well I didn't add these parts to the video, BUT IF YOU INSIST I'LL ADD MORE, HERE YOU GO"
I feel like this was Eminem destroying some nobody and making him famous in the process.
@@seekittycat so much for "exonerating" him. Instead he did the complete opposite 😂😂
And somehow I've got a feeling there is more where this is coming from. If people keep pushing Karl he's just gonna make videos like this every month, where he'll be destroying Jirard again and again, presenting new evidence every single time. 😂
The most trustworthy UA-camrs are the ones who literally say “don’t just trust what I’m telling you because I said it and I have a big follower count. Read the documents and do the work for yourself.” They actively call for people to challenge them and double check them.
That would make flat-earthers the most trustworthy youtubers
I’m convinced that if Karl makes a video about you then you’re either a legend, or you’re screwed. No in-between.
Moony's argument amounts to "You couldn't show a UA-cam video to a judge in court and fully get a conviction solely on that". Like no shit? No one ever claimed you could.
yeap that's why the FBI didn't come knocking at Jirard's door after Karl and Muta published the findings...it takes much more than that.
Moony: "You couldn't show a UA-cam video to a judge in court and fully get a conviction solely on that"
Judge: "Ok, what's your evidence?"
Moony: "Oh, this one youtube video!"
I'm getting a weird feeling here, Moony seems to be quite on the defensive with his video, I wonder if he's got some dirt that he's trying to hide here...
@@Niskirin It seems like someone so entrenched in the court system that they see their professional way of life as superior and can't even envision an outside world. You see the same with chefs who cannot conceive of how normal people cook outside of a professional kitchen and get insulted if someone cooks spaghetti wrong or puts a wrong topping on their pizza. It's just being out of touch with reality. A perfect place for us to use Hanlon's razor on Moony lol.
And that's exactly why we're asking for an audit.
lmao, moon tried to defend jirard by attacking karl and got karl to pick apart jirard's lies even more. truly jirard's greatest soldier.
Moon is now on Karl's crosshairs
He's already apologized to Karl on both Reddit and the UA-cam community page. @@KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza
If I had a dollar for every time, Anyone touted to be an expert on anything. And then got their ass handed back to them , I'd probably have more than 1 dollar, because I have seen more than one instance of this happening.😂
@@Nords555lol this is cringe
Karl is very good at picking apart people, respect to the guy.
Remember when this guy said 'Please don't bring my family into this'? I guess he knew he could market his dead mother better.
@@deejrdee1 You're being a clown. Stop it.
@@deejrdee1 I'm not toxic. I'm venomous.
No one thought extortion occurred during that call lol If you didn't think Moony was biased at that point, you do now. Insane
Moony: Karl's research was sloppy.
Also Moony: I didn't know the full call was released and probably should have listened to that.
I mean he 100% knew it was released, he just didn't take it into account because he didn't think their was anything incriminating in it. I mean he says that pretty explicitly in his video.
@@user-th1pv6ks5o and it shows how stupid he is. There definitely an incriminating evidence on how compulsive liar Jirard is and moony still believe him. How retart.
@@user-th1pv6ks5ostill doesn't excuse him the fact that, as a lawyer, he should've considered every available information. It's very disingenuous of him not to consider it
@@SgtStevePH What if Moony is just not that good of a lawyer. Even if Moony did apologize his video about Karl still exposes that he can be utterly incompetent in his research. A good lawyer would make damn well sure his video was adding to his credibility, not smashing it to pieces.
Exactly. Learning of Moony only today, he has cemented himself as a clown.
God bless you Karl!! You dang L E G E N D!!!@@fomori2
The supercut of Jirard lying felt like it lasted hours. Hoooo leeeeee that was brutal to go through.
And Karl watched all of this and taked notes. Holy moly
Took notes@@karolczarnecki3447
“I played Ace Attorney, so that basically makes me a qualified lawyer now.”
Karl its an honor to live at the same time as you on this planet because you give me hope in the change of mankind
Don't be a simp bro. Dam no one is infallible.
The real problem with Karl's videos is that he doesn't use enough Ace Attorney references.
Unless you played the Ace Attorney series, you have no right to comment on the law.
Right?! The first semester of law school is basically analysing the series and finding you spiritual sidekick
And discussing the difference between ladders and step ladders 😉
You know you can't trust Moony because he's using the Berry Big Circus theme as background music
OBJECTION!!!
If you compare Jirard's "Video Game Salesperson Of The Century" Plaque to his "World's Longest Living FTD Mother" Guinness World Record plaque, you can see that they were both made with identical feet.
It's unfortunate that both items were tragically lost after Jamie Lee Curtis accidentally left them on the roof of her helicopter, as she was on her way to donate them to the AFTD Hall of Fame.
This has been one of the best comments sections I've ever seen
Did you know that Jirard was also the first american to ever review Sonic as well? If his mother were alive, She must have been very proud!
Those awards come with plaques too. It's been made by the same plaque manufacturer that made Billy's "Gamer of the century" award :)
THIS FUCKIGN THREAD I CAN'T 💀💀💀💀
I love how plausible this is
so while moony is eating humble pie forever i hope he also never treads in the deep end of insufferability this hard again. Wow. It really hit me bad when he brought up hanlon's razor
For me it was the teach a man to fish metaphor that made me feel violent
I guess moony missed the day in law school that they taught about opening statements, since he evidently thinks that lawyers only gather evidence during trial and can't accuse a defendant until after the trial.
Jirard really looks like a compulsive liar after this whole ordeal
Looks? If you still think otherwise I wouldn’t trust you. He is 100% a compulsive liar. There are like 17 different direct statements in this video alone where he is objectively fabricating the truth/stories for no discernible reason or personal gain.
It's kind of ironic that anime lawyer "helping" Jirard actually led to Karl showing many more facts of Jirard's lies. Which Karl hadn't shown before. This shows us that it's all but some sort of personal vendetta, as Karl left many of these facts out in his previous videos, to not muddle the case.
Yeah. "Looks" like one. The funny thing is that he always was one but didn't look like it.
Now he looks like it because the truth of who he is has come forward.
Wait, he didn’t before?
If someone can supercut a montage of you lying ala Crowbcat I think it transcends "looks like"
It's over Jobst, he animated himself as Phoenix Wright and played the turnabout music the whole time.... so, you know, that makes him correct, apparently.
Yeah but you know who won while dressed as Phoenix Wright? Furio Tigre and look what happened to him. LOL
That was bugging so much. Just feels so lazy and unoriginal. Use the odd phoenix wright sound or clip as a meme, but if you have it on constantly, it just tells me you're boring.
"It's over, Anakin! I'm the Chad; you're the soyjak!"
@@dnmstarsiholy shit exactly!
I think moon must of just got confused and thought he was playing Phoenix Wright instead of making a video about real people.
What kind of lawyer makes public statements on a legal matter without researching it first. I hope the clients he takes receive better treatment than this.
I think the same.
If a lawyer does this, them i am sorry for his clients.
Yeah I mean all that happened was he’s part of the “lawyer who makes UA-cam videos” genre and he probably got viewers asking him to respond to Karl’s video and he saw it and his knee jerk reaction was that Karl was just looking for content so he decided to take the tack of “””skeptic””” but it backfired
"He's going to make money from this!" is such a hilarious argument not only because it's completely dodging the issue as you mentioned, but because it'd be like saying "don't trust the news investigators! They make money from writing about us!" or "Don't trust the investigators! If they didn't investigate people, they wouldn't have jobs!"
Doing a bunch of crime and then defending myself by saying that because I'm not a lawyer I had no way of knowing what I did was illegal
Sounds like the Trump defense to me. Lol
@@doesitmatter1670bringing politics into a comment section probably isn’t going to end well ngl
That's one large load of male bovine dropping.
@@Winkle-Dinklehe’s not wrong though
"ignorance of the law is not a defense of the law"
“You don’t find the label to fit the deed and gather evidence after the fact”
I’m no fancy city lawyer, but if someone confesses to a crime; that’s the exact order it would go in.
You know the deed because they admitted to it, so you label the crime, and then go and build the case.
No, because the confession is the evidence. That's still evidence first.
Actually if someone confessed to a crime like that unprompted, the police would first find out if the crime happened, if the person did in fact commit the crime, and then charge them. Or that's how it should go, assuming the cops did their jobs properly, i.e. building the case first, then charging the person.
@@lw8882 but they would be investigating that crime. If you confessed to murder, they’d be calling it a murder investigation then going to build a murder case.
It’s exactly what I wrote
@@carlosnieve1225 That's changing the argument lol. The saying is talking about deciding guilt before having evidence, and now you're talking about deciding the nature of an offence based on what the offence was. It's a bait and switch. Come on.
Moonie is a criminal defence lawyer, I do get why he would take that stance but... as someone trying to be impartial and share their insight it really doesn't hold up well at all.
One thing you didn't mention is that he accused YOU of making the videos for money and then he mentions at the end that if you get sued HE will be sure to make a video on that. Like buddy you are doing the same thing 😂
Click's on Mooney's video link
"This video is private".
Wow. He got rekt quick!
I do see the apology comment. Glad y'all can come together and understand each other.
Moon is faking the apology. I can almost guarantee it
@@terencehill2320 Nooooo. The blood sucking "lawyer" who made a hit piece while doing little to no research is really sorry I swear!
He's not sorry. He just got embarrassingly slammed.
He put out a hitpiece. He isn't sorry, he's just upset with the backlash.
He was gonna leave it up, but people pressured him to delete it after this one came out (by 'people' i mean like thousands of commenters- i was there), so I don't blame moony for that specifically honestly
1:14:53 “He may be stupid also” Has me in tears 😭
1:20 lol
For those that dont know it, here is moony apology that he made in the pinned comment of the video:
I watched the response video. Instead of adding to Karl's legal fees, or making a response video of my own, I just wanted to apologize. I thought the video was both level-headed, and insightful. And I appreciate that.
Karl is right: I didn't engage with the entire body of evidence, thereby getting crucial facts wrong -- I also unnecessarily brought in his finances, I took what should've been a neutral legal analysis and made it hostile towards him (and Mutahar) without just cause, and I came away with a flawed conclusion as a result.
My video was put together hastily, and without the care such a serious matter deserves. This situation has been a good learning experience for me when it comes to how best to make UA-cam videos in the future, especially those which might touch upon legal topics. As I said in my own video, professionals have standards! And it's time to think about and raise my own.
If, in the future, we do see Jirard or Open Hand bite the metaphorical bullet, I'll make an apology video of sorts, dissecting the problems in my prior video as a legal exercise, explaining in detail what I got wrong. Karl, if you're reading this, if that day comes, I'd even like to talk to you about it perhaps, and put your thoughts directly in that video as a way of burying the hatchet.
Despite my past snippiness, I do appreciate the work that you've done in bringing attention to the injustice in the world. It is my own zeal, perhaps, that has been misplaced. When you're wrong, you're wrong, and I sincerely apologize.
Best of luck in your ongoing legal matters, Karl. I'm genuinely sorry about the trouble, and hope that you'll push through your legal battles stronger than before.
Thank you, everyone, for reading.
- Moony
It takes quite the man to admit he's wrong like that in the height of an internet fight. I'm sure we've all said things or had uninformed opinions that we now look back and cringe on, it's good that he can be so open about it and learn from it, rather than descend into more of a fight because of a bruised ego like so many would. Props to him genuinely.
Gee, if only he’d post that under this video. And seems to avoid mentioning that he was adamant about his points in the video when defending himself online until Karl’s video was released…
And THIS is how you do an apology.
Good man, for at least owning up to his mistakes without making any excuses or shifting the blame.
**cough** Jirard **cough**
"put together hastily"
makes a 1 hour video with plenty of stylized editing
> Instead of adding to Karl's legal fees,
Fuck this moony, guy. What a vailed threat/parting shot. Was Moony insinuating he gonna sue Karl to make his life potentially hell or something? why mention that? Fuck this piece of shit "lawyer"
This "expert" lawyer reminds me of the "expert" astrophysicist that dream hired. Lol
In that physicist's defense, even his paper implied that the odds were still unrealistic even with their bias.
@@StrikeWarlock true. Thanks for the added information.
Wow. I admire you Karl for taking on such huge issues and going toe to toe some really big creators. I just tried to watch Moony’s video and noticed it was private. I burst out laughing so hard that my kids came to see what I was laughing about. I can’t seem to find his channel either… anyway, happy to hear that he apologized to you.
Your videos are awesome. Whenever I feel like listening to something intelligent, I go straight for your channel. I’m anxiously awaiting the next video about the Billy Mitchell situation; I really enjoy those 😂
His channel is still there under "Moon Channel", but it doesn't seem to be particularly prolific.
Good.@@Skyblade12
The true irony in all this is that Jirard claims he stockpiled the money for a restricted donation so it wouldn't just go to some CEO's expenses, where instead the money just went to his expenses
Not some ceo
HIM ceo
@@Lucifersfursona what op said with extra step
@@yoshi9019less steps actually
Extra funny since the 600K donation WILL go into some CEO's expenses anyways...
@@enzomercier2789no, it's more. I counted.
At this point I'm not even sure I believe Jirard had a mother.
OMEGALUL ok that was good KEKW
he is the mother. just put on a fake beard.
Reminded me of Joker from The Dark Knight. "Do you wanna know how I got these scars?" and every time it's a different crazy story. 😂
@@kosmosyche "Do you wanna know how I got this charity money?" he says, going full beard mode and completing his career.
@@gogopogo1 Are you trying to be cool or edgy typing like that ? Grow up
Bro thinks he’s Pheonix Wright, but in reality he’s Winston Payne
Hey don't shit on my man Payne like this, he's the only one that doesn't make bullshit excuses in court or randomly happens to "find" new evidence.
@@Gardosuro You are right. Maybe Gaspen Payne? as he is even more pathetic and worse than his brother
@@lsebastian9086Hell yeah, fuck Gaspen.
All my homies hate Gaspen
He went from praising your work on youtube to threatening u with a lawsuit and questioning your investigation skills lol.
“You can’t tell what’s illegal or not if you haven’t studied the law”.
Why is a bystander able to tell when a race car has crashed if they’ve never driven one?
As Steve Hofstetter once said in response to a heckler telling him he couldn’t criticise bad parents if he doesn’t have kids:
“I’ve never flown a helicopter. But if I see one in a tree, I can be like, ‘Dude fucked up.’”
Nevermind that, why is a bystander able to avoid breaking the law if you're only expected to know the law after a few years at law school?
Why are juries even a thing if none of them have ever studied law and are selected at random?
Exactly. There are a lot of “experts” out there who love to tell people what to think. It doesn’t take an expert to see the truth and recognize lies. Usually just a few brain cells are enough.
I don't need to be a Zoologist to know that owning a Tiger is a bad ides
WOW. Those receipts about the timeline of his mother and her battle are CRAZY. The amount of time the story shifts slightly is incredibly telling.
A person simply DOES NOT forget the details of a life changing event like this, especially if you are a child/teenager. Those few clips cement the notion that NOTHING he says can be taken without a gallon of salt.
you may forget the exact date, but not what happened around it.
When I saw the first few clips, it sounded like a pretty weak argument as they seemed somewhat out of context...then it kept going and going and going.
What it proves to me is NOT that every single time was a malicious lie, but that Jerard does manipulate the narrative to help sell people on his "charitable work" and tries to paint his mother's story as "above average". It's pretty scummy, but tbf, most people have kind of known he likes to exaggerate to boost his ego for years. It's nothing new.
@@yeshevishmanI didn't know that. I always believed him to be a genuine strait forward dude. That compilation really calls into question everything he's ever said
@@yeshevishman "It's nothing new." Its pretty fucking gross is what it is.
@@brianthomas8411 I was a huge fan of Jerard as a kid, and figured it out as I was coming out of highschool. I'll admit it wasn't obvious, but he kept making gaming statements at the time that just didn't add up to me. I wasn't ever really vocal about it because he just seemed like every other big asshole "gamer" who claims to be great because of their gaming skills, (which doesn't usually make for great content for most people so I never got why people buy into that toxic culture when they don't just want a niche audience) but I figured that it just wasn't content for me. I thought people just liked that content because it had a narrative they liked, and most people are pretty shallow. Jerard never struck me as actually BEING that character, but he did strike me as playing that character, so I didn't care for it. I just thought I had matured beyond this juvenile type of content where you are an asshole for the sake of entertainment.
The fact Moony calls the call “outside evidence” and that needing to listen to that would still mean Karl’s allegations don’t hold up or don’t stand on their own is hilarious but also grinds my gears. Like, the call isn’t just outside evidence. It’s supporting and gives a much broader scope of the situation than, as Karl says, the tiny bit of information he decided to put in his videos.
@karljobst Had a really tough time getting through this one - not because of you, but because @moon-channel 's smugness, hypocrisy and just utter shoddy work was really difficult to keep listening to. You are definitely a better person than me for accepting that apology. Amazing work though, given how much time/research you did before releasing only a FRACTION of what you had, your defense against Moony's piece of s--t was pretty easy, although time-consuming.
These guys are now part of the open cheeks foundation, and Karl is making his contribution
Your comment doesn't have enough likes and attention
lmao
Jesus fucking christ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂
HAHAHAHAHAJ
that WWE gameplay of karl trashing billy or gerard will never get old
Similar to the trashing Holmes and Berbick gave Ali.
SmokeyMcC does something similar in his videos for B-Roll. Seems to be a bit of a trend lately
I cant believe the completionist is still uploading
"If I've missed something, leave it in the comments."
*video made private*
Edit: I just want to point out that even though he apologized, he privated the video to keep the views. It's ironic because he claims karl is only out for money.
Not only is he wrong, he's so wrong that it brings every single video he does into question.
Absolute clown.
😂😂😂
id say it goes farther than bringing every video he does in to question. It brings his credibility as a legal professional in to question.
His video was unethical, incorrect, poorly researched, and malicious. This person should not be a lawyer.
Moon looked at this case like a defense lawyer, whatever you can say to make the jury believe you is right. Doesn’t matter what the truth is. Sounds like a lawyer to me.
Moon cosplays a comic book lawyer.
Thats why some people believe him, they think it works like that.
Moon spent zero effort in looking at prior analoguous cases or really doing any research a lawyer should do.
@@lassikinnunenBilly Mitchell won you know. Don't underestimate defense lawyer bullshittery
@@thieftheodorehe won?
@@gtotherealno he didn’t win, the case was settled out of court
@@khloegwen his record got reinstated on the archived leaderboards, so that's a win small one but still a win
Also the FACT that he said that "ALL the money" from IndiLand goes to donations and they "don't touch any of it" but later goes on to say that donations go to offset costs. So he lied about how the donations are used and admitted it. Also, never addressed where the non-cash money raised went, or the proceeds from merchandise as well.
It went on his video game and toy collections you see in nis videos.
@@RichSmithsonthat statement sounds like speculation to me. Let's be like Karl and try to stick to facts.
@@RichSmithson "Administrative expenses" 😂
"The court of public opinion is now in session" tells you all you need to know about that video lmao.