Arms guide is out now: ua-cam.com/video/bEWzo22sDig/v-deo.html I also Just posted a video on the announced Sinful Surge Nerf: ua-cam.com/video/NfrOzW69dkM/v-deo.html
Just the kind of thoughtful analysis and explanation, I've been looking for! Great work. I'll be looking for more insights in future vids! (yes, I subscribed and asked for notifications)
Before watching this i had no idea about Fury Warrior. Now i feel like i am trained by the best. Thanks for the great video. Only blind and deaf people would dislike this quality.
As someone who has played fury at various points in wow's history, I dropped by to see what the spec is like these days. Rotation actually looks pretty good in terms of being dynamic. Not wanting to stack crit is super weird though, lol. I have always considered Crit a core tenet of the spec's identity. Bloodthirst crits getting enrage uptime through the roof and mastery pumping the benefit synergistically as you scale with gear always felt really badass.
great guide for million reasons already mentioned, good job! i watched at .75speed to be able to comprehend everything and im sure fury is not for such a slowpoke as i am 🤣😅
So here's some of the problems with prioritizing rampage over condemn (venthyr covenant). Condemn already does nearly the same amount of damage as rampage does and adds a set amount of protection from the selected target. Condemn is also able to be cast on targets with like 90%+ hp. Any lower and you lose the ability to condemn. You might want to prioritize condemn over rampage before it becomes no longer available to use. This is because if you do rampage over condemn, you do that dmg from rampage but then lose the chance to do condemn. Doing condemn first allows you to use both. Condemn, and then rampage right after.
Meat Cleaver + Reckless Abandon + Necrolord = more aoe dps. Even when it’s on CD, getting that MC proc up allows you to use your hardest hitting abilities x4 before having to waste another GCD. Me 206il vs 223il meta spec fury. I topped aoe damage each time, he beat me by 500-600 dps on single target boss fights. (Mastery>Crit)
idealy u want use RECk once per minute cuz anger managment ...idealy u hold aftershock till another RECK is coming(ofc u use them every cds for opener im taking what happend after, when u use aftershock .. u ll have reck like in minute so third reck u hold till second aftershock) is coming so u can _first strike via BT also enraged- recklesness, cancel aura baldestorm before both first strike and enrage expire and u use aftershock for chonk of dmg
Cautex, as a fury warrior since Vanilla, i always appreciate your videos. I'm actually going to try out a haste/crit build. Im going to try and get the trinket Decanter of Endless Howling Decanter of Endless Howling Equip Effect: Decanter of Endless Howling Decanter of Endless Howling - Your critical hits have a chance to increase your Strength or Agility by 0 for 15 sec. And i'm also going to try and get the frost yet for the crit build up with haste. One last caviot to this is i wonder if SMF is the play here for critical strikes on auto attacks. Well if i find out its any good i will let you know.
Excellent explanation and coverage, thank you 👌 One question: when running signet on NF, should I wait for reckless to end before hitting bladestorm? Some people seem to think it's optimal to use both at the same time but time it doesn't make sense.
you should not wait for recklessnes to end before hitting bladestorm, as you would ideally want bladestorm to get the benefit of recklessness. Could you elaborate on why using them together doesn't make sense to you?
@@CautexWoW Hm.. interesting. I get the idea of wanting to have the recklessness up for BS. That makes perfect sense. But I guess where I get confused is that since BS can also proc Recklessness with Signet, isn't then a damage loss about half of the times you use BS to stack it with an already active Recklessness, as you'd then lose the second (shorter) Recklessness proc from Signet? Or wait, does Signet refresh the Recklessness?
Proc'd recklessness time gets added to a cast recklessness (so if you use reck, it procs whatever, then you cast bladestorm and it procs recklessness, that proc'd recklessness adds to the duration of the active buff). because of sphaghetti code, this is not true in reverse. so if you bladestorm, get a recklessness proc, then cast recklessness, it will overwrite the duration and you lose effectiveness of the proc. proc interactions like this are incredibly annoying because MOST of the time, procs add to the duration of the main ability, but using the main ability will overwrite the duration of the proc rather than add to it. The one warrior relevent exception to this rule that I know of right now is colossus smash and enduring blow, which interacts additively regardless of the order of events (this is not true if you use warbreaker though).
@@CautexWoW Aaaa! So that's why, ok, yeah that makes sense to me now. Thank you for the thorough explanation 💜 While writing the previous msg it did occur to me that I had sort of noticed that behaviour, but also hadn't entirely internalized it yet. Thanks for making these videos, and for taking the time to answer questions too, take care! Look forward to more 👍
@Cautex So wondering your thoughts, the way I always learned and have played is that you should always use bloodthirst off cooldown. The reason being is if you wait until you lose enrage and bloodthirst and don't proc enrage again, you need to wait the entire bloodthirst cooldown to get enraged again if you don't cast rampage. If you use bloodthirst off CD you will either proc enrage again and reset its duration or not proc enrage again but hit a bloodthirst with enrage damage and be closer to the bloodthirst CD ending and getting another chance to proc enrage. Basically every second you do not cast bloodthirst is a possible second more you won't be enraged. You probably will not see this but it would nice to hear your thoughts.
I always read my comments because I legitimately want people to tell me what they disagree with and why. your question is one that cuts directly to the heart of what I love about fury: there are multiple ways to approach the spec that are valid. Prioritizing BT like that is a much more conservative way of playing that is willing to potentially sacrifice how effectively each enrage buff gets used, in order to try and maximize the number of enrage buffs. Whereas my approach is willing to potentially sacrifice the number of enrage buffs I get in order to maximize how effectively I utilize each enrage buff that I get. I am of the belief that given the current state of enrage uptime (~70-75% on single target fights) that the better thing to do is maximize what is done during enrage because it is the majority of the time spent during the fight. If enrage uptime was below 50%, then I believe that it would be correct to play more conservatively and prioritize BT>RB(1charge) during enrage. BT> RB during enrage will have a higher minimum DPS than RB>BT (that is, if you get really bad RNG BT>RB will be punished less), but RB>BT will have a higher max DPS. It ultimately comes down to a question of your risk tolerance, and I am personally willing to accept that risk, and believe that it is the optimal way of playing.
@@CautexWoW how about this: all you want to do in single target encounter is not press whirlwind since it's less than half the damage of bloodthirst and the third of rage gen of raging blow. Since Rampage is the highest damage spell, you don't really care about maximizing raging blow's damage but you instead want to maximize the number of ramapge casts throughout the fight and that's where you actually get more damage. This can be seen in the fury warr's apl on raidbots since it's exactly how it works. In order to get the most casts of rampage, you have to do everything possible to generate the most rage per second which means basically avoid casting whirlwind, the most efficient way is to never let raging blow sit at 2 stacks while casting bloodthirst on cooldown. The exception is during recklessness where you generate enoough rage to guarantee having no globals spent on whirlwind So according to raidbots, the most efficient and the rotation you will do more dps most of the time is : (enrage)Condemn/execute> Rampage > 2 stack RB > Bloodthirst > 1 stack RB> whirlwind. This is ofc excluding recklessness windows since you can just press RB and be enraged all the time and pressing much many more rampages The only way you can theorically get more damage using your more risky approach is if you happen to be very lucky with both raging blow procs and bloodthirsts The enemy here is whirlwind
Potentially. I'm usually not a big fan of doing generalized item analysis because in reality the most accurate thing I could say about each trinket is "sim your self and see if it's good for you", which is boring. However, if there are interesting interactions, mechanics, or clever ways to leverage the new trinkets, then I'll be far more likely to want to talk about them.
T1: Old Warrior's Soul from Sylvanas is hands down the to go T1 slot in 9.1 -Pro: Stacking Haste which combined with Euphoria results in literally 0 downtime, with BL you can stack Recklessness to an insane amount with Sinful Surge. -Con: Synergyses both very good and very badly with Titanic Ocular Galand because of the HP sharing ability this trinket has, relying on your team's mistakes too. T2: Titanic Ocular Gland from Eye of the Jailer. -Pro: If you are above 50% increases your highest secondary stat (which will be Mastery in most case) it gives you the best overall DPS increase -Con: However if you fall below 50% it gets really punishing by decreasing your highest secondary stat (which will be Mastery again of course). T2 Alternate: Salvaged Fusion Amplifier from Guardian of the First Ones -Pro: Usable trinket which makes your attacks deal additional Arcane Damage to the target. -Con: Best option for safeplay, loses against Titanic Ocular overall. Old Warrior's Soul + Titanic Ocular Galand: -Best Trinket Slots with the highest DPS -With Euphoria you get no downtime. -Combined with Sinful Surge during Bloodlust (and sometimes Euphoria) your Recklessness time will increase to heavens. -Punishes either your or your team's mistakes Old Warrior's Soul + Salvaged Fusion Amplifier: -Safe choice with more mistakes available -Less DPS overall
Great video as usual. If you have bloodthirst/raging blow/execute coming off cool down in less than a global cool down do you wait for them or press whirlwind. Is there any situation where you do not want to press an available spell?
Hello, great video, thank you! How viable do you think a crit fury build would be for Kyrian with the new legendary? With talents like seethe and DR and siegebreaker interacting with the 20% crit damage?
my analysis had elysian might increasing the value of crit and made those talents increase in value as well, but not enough to beat out the standard build/stat priorities. With higher ilvls and even higher crit amounts it's possible that might change.
Oh yes, been waiting for this :) One question after watching a bit, I don’t really understand the 2 targets whirlwind usage. You say to ensure the buff is up for rampage, but what about the rest of the time? Does it just become a filler with the lowest priority like it is on ST, or does it take prio over something else? Is it worth to whirlwind before Condemn or execute too? Thanks for the content, really glad I found your channel
You should still fill with it just like on ST, but if you're going to be rampaging in the next 2 GCDs AND won't have a stack of WW for that rampage, then you should prioritize WW over your other abilities because a WW+45% of a rampage is worth more than a BT/RB. As for ensuring WW for execute/condem on 2 target: for condemn, I'd say yes because of how much damage it does per use. for execute, if WWing for the execute is going to for sure force me to delay the upcoming rampage to WW again (i.e. having to replace a BT/RB with a WW to get stacks so I can cleave the rampage), I personally don't . with that said, ideally you should try and line your rampages and executes/condemns up such that you WW-> rampage-> execute, and will be able to get to your next rampage before the cooldown of execute completes so you don't have to WW twice between each rampage.
I'm thinking of switching from Venthyr to Kyrian purely for all-round performance. Great at m+ and raids. and excellent for pvp as arms... But I just can't bring myself to start all over.
I disagree with the raging blow > BT if enraged. considering we have downtime when we spam abilities the ideal scenario to ABC is that you use ranging blow if two stacks or BT if you have less than 2 stacks of raging blow. this way you`ll always have this 2 skills running the cooldown timer, you`ll use less abilities and will ABC less if you do not use BT more often (whenever you have less than 2 stacks of RB) - this logic only applies if you`re enraged.
Hey Cautex , great video . I have a rotation question to ask : if raging blow has 2 charges do we use one raging blow then bloodthirst and then raging blow again? doesnt that do more damage than using both charges of raging blow and then a bloodthirst? .
it depends on if you will be enraged for that 2nd GCD. if you are going to be enraged for both GCDs, then it's best to RB-RB-BT, but if the enrage buff will fall off before you can use that 2nd ability, then it's best to RB-BT-RB.
So this is probably a dumb question but I didn't see you mention Titans grip vs single minded fury. I've always done titans grip but I for the life of me haven't had much luck yet with getting 2 handers in 9.1 and blizzard keeps giving me 1 handers that are much higher ilvl then my 2 handers. I've even set my loot preference to arms hoping that might land me a 2 hander but no luck. Would it be worth while to switch it up to the higher ilvl 1 handers for now or at least until I can land a couple 2 handers? Or should I just hang on to my 2 handers until I get better ones? Thanks for the video, well done.
I'm personally staying night fae for at least heroic week. However, I've completed the first half of the quests to swap back to venthyr, so once I get to see how the they've tuned boss/add HP, I'll be able to be venthyr by the time mythic opens up if that feels like the best play.
Initially yes, because I do not believe the renown legendaries will be craftable in the first two weeks (if my memory is right I think you need renown 48 to craft, so they'd be available mythic week)
So Venthyr + Sinful Surge or Venthyr + Signet of Tormented Kings? Or maybe Night Fae + Signet of Tormented Kings? I heard Signet is good for both ST as well as AOE.. really can't decide which.. Though if I have a lot of Haste I think its good to go Venthyr Singul Surge so stack duration(spam)
I was kyrian before but then switched to night fae but now that tanks are pulling so much bigger than before in mythic+ I'm temped to go back to kyrian do you think the AOE from the spear would do more than ancient aftershock when it comes to tanks pulling upards of 10 - 15 adds at a time since ancient aftershock only hits 5 enemies at a time so do you think it would be more of a person preference type of thing or what covanant would be better for these types of pulls
for condemn, I'd say yes. for execute, if it's going to for sure force me to delay the upcoming rampage to WW again, I personally don't. with that said, ideally you should try and line your rampages and executes/condemns up such that you WW-> rampage-> execute, and will be able to get to your next rampage before the cooldown of execute completes so you don't have to WW twice between each rampage.
Great video! One thing I always wondered was how Cruelty interacts with the already existing 20% chance of raging blow reset? Would it mean that if I'm enraged, I would have a 50% to reset raging blow? Or just 30%? I've also heard from other guides that it is good to keep bloodlust on CD because of the long recharge time of raging blow. Would the reset percentage of Cruelty affect the rotation priority?
cruelty doesn't add 30% reset chance, it sets the reset chance to 30% (because of WoW's spaghetti code, blizzard has to do it this way because otherwise it would interact multiplicatively with the base reset chance and that'd be weird). Prioritizing BT like that is a more conservative way of playing that is willing to potentially sacrifice how effectively each enrage buff gets used in order to try and maximize the number of enrage buffs. Whereas my approach is willing to potentially sacrifice the number of enrage buffs I get in order to maximize how effectively I utilize each enrage buff that I get. I am of the belief that given the current state of enrage uptime (~70-75% on single target fights) that the better thing to do is maximize what is done during enrage because it is the majority of the time spent during the fight. If enrage uptime was below 50%, then I believe that it would be correct to play more conservatively and prioritize BT>RB(1charge) during enrage. Ultimately both strategies are valid/viable because they are two sides of the same coin, and which one you choose is something that comes down to your personal risk tolerance. Reduced RB reset chance would reduce the number of times that you would have to decide between BT and RB. (as an extreme example, if there was 0 reset chance, the overlap would occur every 8th BT, which would be every 36 seconds with no haste)
I'm so torn on NF/Venthyr. If I go for NF, I won't have enough renown to quickly switch to venthyr and craft Sinful Surge If i see venthyr being better :D. But I do enjoy NF more, however I want to be as benifitial to the guild as possible going into mythic
Hey, quick question - I crafted Deathmaker in 9.0 (30% chance for Rampage to apply Siegebreaker). Is that still a viable option for ST? Or should I forget about it? Thanks!
I played with it a bit on the PTR. if you're familiar with what it feels like to reck during execute phase (making execute generate 40 rage, and basically turning your rotation into exec-[ability]-rampage-exec-[ability]-rampage, with occasionally doing 2 abilities after the execute), it makes that feeling last a lot longer. as for dragons roar, you should be using it more or less on CD, but you should make sure that you're enraged when you use it. it takes priority over both BT and RB when you are enraged.
Yes you still take fresh meat in M+ as venthyr, and while sudden death would get increased value on tyrannical weeks, I personally don't think it's enough of a difference to justify taking it over taking fresh meat.
Heya! Returning player here. Awesome guide, however 1 was missing 1 thing here (probably for others a no-brainer): what is the difference between dual wielding 1h and 2h weapons?
I believe there's some information in one of the pinned messages on the fury section of the skyhold discord, but generally speaking though the break point is that if you'll be able to get another recklessness off during a condemn phase due to AM, then AM beats RA.
if you play well fury's solo capability is quite good, especially in torghast. It's been so long since I've been at that particular gear level that I'm not comfortable answering yes/no to your exact question, but I will say that with ~226ilvl on the PTR release candidate build, I was able to do numerous 5star/flawless layer 12 torghast runs without using empower at all.
I wanna get rid out of Bladestorm (i.e. Signet). I only play fury in M+. NF seems meh because random tanks tend to move mobs a lot for no reason, so I won't get 100% damage of AA. At the same time, Kyrian seems meh because their leggo is literally Korayn's FS. So, which combo of covenant+leggo you'd suggest?
the elysian might isn't first strike. first strike provides crit CHANCE, and elysian might provides crit DAMAGE. While that might not seem like a meaningful difference, it is. If all you do is M+, then I personally would say kyrian simply because it's a change of pace from night fae, and the utility provided by an 8sec tether is huge.
@@CautexWoW holy, my client literally says crit chance for both. I guess it's just a translation mistake. What's the difference between 25% crit chance and 25% crit damage speaking numerically? Which is better and better by how much?
Excellent guide, especially the explanation of the fundamentals. Very well done.
Finally a guide that does some explaining of the Why, not just the What
This is over and above any guide. The warrior community needs people like you.
love this guide, precise, to the point, explained why one does things but not overexplained. awesome job!
Arms guide is out now: ua-cam.com/video/bEWzo22sDig/v-deo.html
I also Just posted a video on the announced Sinful Surge Nerf: ua-cam.com/video/NfrOzW69dkM/v-deo.html
Just the kind of thoughtful analysis and explanation, I've been looking for! Great work. I'll be looking for more insights in future vids! (yes, I subscribed and asked for notifications)
Thank you for explaining the why, and optimal times to do what, best guide I've listened to
This guide was very guiding
Have a fury alt for raids, this guide is all i needed, thank you!
Best guide ever in the entire f***ing world bro, I just love it so much... Thank you for this!!! amazing
Excellent guide mate, thank you very much! Really refreshing to find an at the same time concise and detailed guide.
amazing guide! would love guides like this for other classes too! really really well explained!
One of the best guides I’ve watched congrats
literally the best guide ive ever watched
Excellent guide! Very thorough… I appreciate it.
This might well be the highest quality per view of any WoW guide I've ever seen. Mad props dude!
Before watching this i had no idea about Fury Warrior. Now i feel like i am trained by the best. Thanks for the great video. Only blind and deaf people would dislike this quality.
Wow I wish you made content for every spec in the game haha, this is an excellent guide!
As someone who has played fury at various points in wow's history, I dropped by to see what the spec is like these days. Rotation actually looks pretty good in terms of being dynamic. Not wanting to stack crit is super weird though, lol. I have always considered Crit a core tenet of the spec's identity. Bloodthirst crits getting enrage uptime through the roof and mastery pumping the benefit synergistically as you scale with gear always felt really badass.
Great introduction, thanks for your honesty and sophisiction.
I love how he calls us dumb in a very polite way hahhaha,. Great guide 👍
The best takeaway from this guide is in the description, in the Rampage macro. /train is fundamental!
thank you, I knew how to play but I never knew why on some of the talents/rotation stuff! fury is my favorite high apm spec (:
Take a subscription, a like, and my gratitude for the very clear and very helpful guide! Looking forward to more in the future
First time leveling a character. This game is fun even with the occasional grieffing.
Thanks for the guide
Your disclaimer is awesome. I respect that approach FAR more then the click bait titles and 'know it all' attitude. Sub'd
Bro this is an incredible guide. Very well done.
THIS is how you make a guide. 11/10
The best guide it gave me an answer to all my questions
great guide for million reasons already mentioned, good job! i watched at .75speed to be able to comprehend everything and im sure fury is not for such a slowpoke as i am 🤣😅
Ty for the guide, you rock bro
the intro alone earned you a sub.
Fury, IMO of course, funnest melee spec with SV Hunter right behind.
they should change WW buff to 4 stacks by default.. and making RB the hard hitting abillity once again while being enraged. that would be fun
Sv was fun when it was rdd spec
Thanks my dude! 🙏
So here's some of the problems with prioritizing rampage over condemn (venthyr covenant). Condemn already does nearly the same amount of damage as rampage does and adds a set amount of protection from the selected target. Condemn is also able to be cast on targets with like 90%+ hp. Any lower and you lose the ability to condemn. You might want to prioritize condemn over rampage before it becomes no longer available to use. This is because if you do rampage over condemn, you do that dmg from rampage but then lose the chance to do condemn. Doing condemn first allows you to use both. Condemn, and then rampage right after.
Simply brilliant, great work Cautex.
dude what a amazing Guide ! Thanks a lot !
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Good job mate, this guide was very helpful!
GREAT indepht guide. ty so much :)
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great vid, cant wait for arms.
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Meat Cleaver + Reckless Abandon + Necrolord = more aoe dps. Even when it’s on CD, getting that MC proc up allows you to use your hardest hitting abilities x4 before having to waste another GCD. Me 206il vs 223il meta spec fury. I topped aoe damage each time, he beat me by 500-600 dps on single target boss fights. (Mastery>Crit)
idealy u want use RECk once per minute cuz anger managment ...idealy u hold aftershock till another RECK is coming(ofc u use them every cds for opener im taking what happend after, when u use aftershock .. u ll have reck like in minute so third reck u hold till second aftershock) is coming so u can _first strike via BT also enraged- recklesness, cancel aura baldestorm before both first strike and enrage expire and u use aftershock for chonk of dmg
Cautex, as a fury warrior since Vanilla, i always appreciate your videos. I'm actually going to try out a haste/crit build. Im going to try and get the trinket Decanter of Endless Howling Decanter of Endless Howling
Equip Effect: Decanter of Endless Howling Decanter of Endless Howling - Your critical hits have a chance to increase your Strength or Agility by 0 for 15 sec.
And i'm also going to try and get the frost yet for the crit build up with haste. One last caviot to this is i wonder if SMF is the play here for critical strikes on auto attacks.
Well if i find out its any good i will let you know.
Great guide! What covenant are u?
Excellent explanation and coverage, thank you 👌
One question: when running signet on NF, should I wait for reckless to end before hitting bladestorm? Some people seem to think it's optimal to use both at the same time but time it doesn't make sense.
you should not wait for recklessnes to end before hitting bladestorm, as you would ideally want bladestorm to get the benefit of recklessness. Could you elaborate on why using them together doesn't make sense to you?
@@CautexWoW Hm.. interesting. I get the idea of wanting to have the recklessness up for BS. That makes perfect sense.
But I guess where I get confused is that since BS can also proc Recklessness with Signet, isn't then a damage loss about half of the times you use BS to stack it with an already active Recklessness, as you'd then lose the second (shorter) Recklessness proc from Signet? Or wait, does Signet refresh the Recklessness?
Proc'd recklessness time gets added to a cast recklessness (so if you use reck, it procs whatever, then you cast bladestorm and it procs recklessness, that proc'd recklessness adds to the duration of the active buff). because of sphaghetti code, this is not true in reverse. so if you bladestorm, get a recklessness proc, then cast recklessness, it will overwrite the duration and you lose effectiveness of the proc.
proc interactions like this are incredibly annoying because MOST of the time, procs add to the duration of the main ability, but using the main ability will overwrite the duration of the proc rather than add to it. The one warrior relevent exception to this rule that I know of right now is colossus smash and enduring blow, which interacts additively regardless of the order of events (this is not true if you use warbreaker though).
@@CautexWoW Aaaa! So that's why, ok, yeah that makes sense to me now. Thank you for the thorough explanation 💜
While writing the previous msg it did occur to me that I had sort of noticed that behaviour, but also hadn't entirely internalized it yet.
Thanks for making these videos, and for taking the time to answer questions too, take care! Look forward to more 👍
Thanks, great guide.
Cheers for the info buddy
Great guide! thanks!
@Cautex So wondering your thoughts, the way I always learned and have played is that you should always use bloodthirst off cooldown. The reason being is if you wait until you lose enrage and bloodthirst and don't proc enrage again, you need to wait the entire bloodthirst cooldown to get enraged again if you don't cast rampage. If you use bloodthirst off CD you will either proc enrage again and reset its duration or not proc enrage again but hit a bloodthirst with enrage damage and be closer to the bloodthirst CD ending and getting another chance to proc enrage. Basically every second you do not cast bloodthirst is a possible second more you won't be enraged. You probably will not see this but it would nice to hear your thoughts.
I always read my comments because I legitimately want people to tell me what they disagree with and why. your question is one that cuts directly to the heart of what I love about fury: there are multiple ways to approach the spec that are valid. Prioritizing BT like that is a much more conservative way of playing that is willing to potentially sacrifice how effectively each enrage buff gets used, in order to try and maximize the number of enrage buffs. Whereas my approach is willing to potentially sacrifice the number of enrage buffs I get in order to maximize how effectively I utilize each enrage buff that I get. I am of the belief that given the current state of enrage uptime (~70-75% on single target fights) that the better thing to do is maximize what is done during enrage because it is the majority of the time spent during the fight. If enrage uptime was below 50%, then I believe that it would be correct to play more conservatively and prioritize BT>RB(1charge) during enrage.
BT> RB during enrage will have a higher minimum DPS than RB>BT (that is, if you get really bad RNG BT>RB will be punished less), but RB>BT will have a higher max DPS. It ultimately comes down to a question of your risk tolerance, and I am personally willing to accept that risk, and believe that it is the optimal way of playing.
Hit more raging blow instead of blood thirst and you can get a rampage faster and for sure give you rampage.
@@CautexWoW how about this: all you want to do in single target encounter is not press whirlwind since it's less than half the damage of bloodthirst and the third of rage gen of raging blow. Since Rampage is the highest damage spell, you don't really care about maximizing raging blow's damage but you instead want to maximize the number of ramapge casts throughout the fight and that's where you actually get more damage. This can be seen in the fury warr's apl on raidbots since it's exactly how it works. In order to get the most casts of rampage, you have to do everything possible to generate the most rage per second which means basically avoid casting whirlwind, the most efficient way is to never let raging blow sit at 2 stacks while casting bloodthirst on cooldown. The exception is during recklessness where you generate enoough rage to guarantee having no globals spent on whirlwind
So according to raidbots, the most efficient and the rotation you will do more dps most of the time is : (enrage)Condemn/execute> Rampage > 2 stack RB > Bloodthirst > 1 stack RB> whirlwind. This is ofc excluding recklessness windows since you can just press RB and be enraged all the time and pressing much many more rampages
The only way you can theorically get more damage using your more risky approach is if you happen to be very lucky with both raging blow procs and bloodthirsts
The enemy here is whirlwind
>Fury Warrior Guide
>Arms warrior in the background the whole time
Excellent video.
Thanks, now i hear Train sounds while i Pump.
Remember: there are no brakes on the DPS train :^)
haha that got me aswell!! :D
Whats your opinion on the KT weapon? I have it has as a off hand but idk the proc rate is kinda low ty for response keep up the great work!
welcome back THEGREATME
Nice video idk what should i Play warrior or dk, im also thinking about pal but war and dk mainly, also i whats the name of this sword?
are u gonna make a video about the new trinkets coming
Potentially. I'm usually not a big fan of doing generalized item analysis because in reality the most accurate thing I could say about each trinket is "sim your self and see if it's good for you", which is boring. However, if there are interesting interactions, mechanics, or clever ways to leverage the new trinkets, then I'll be far more likely to want to talk about them.
T1:
Old Warrior's Soul from Sylvanas is hands down the to go T1 slot in 9.1
-Pro: Stacking Haste which combined with Euphoria results in literally 0 downtime, with BL you can stack Recklessness to an insane amount with Sinful Surge.
-Con: Synergyses both very good and very badly with Titanic Ocular Galand because of the HP sharing ability this trinket has, relying on your team's mistakes too.
T2:
Titanic Ocular Gland from Eye of the Jailer.
-Pro: If you are above 50% increases your highest secondary stat (which will be Mastery in most case) it gives you the best overall DPS increase
-Con: However if you fall below 50% it gets really punishing by decreasing your highest secondary stat (which will be Mastery again of course).
T2 Alternate:
Salvaged Fusion Amplifier from Guardian of the First Ones
-Pro: Usable trinket which makes your attacks deal additional Arcane Damage to the target.
-Con: Best option for safeplay, loses against Titanic Ocular overall.
Old Warrior's Soul + Titanic Ocular Galand:
-Best Trinket Slots with the highest DPS
-With Euphoria you get no downtime.
-Combined with Sinful Surge during Bloodlust (and sometimes Euphoria) your Recklessness time will increase to heavens.
-Punishes either your or your team's mistakes
Old Warrior's Soul + Salvaged Fusion Amplifier:
-Safe choice with more mistakes available
-Less DPS overall
Great video as usual.
If you have bloodthirst/raging blow/execute coming off cool down in less than a global cool down do you wait for them or press whirlwind. Is there any situation where you do not want to press an available spell?
yes, but it depends on the ability you'd be waiting for, and specifically how long you'd be waiting. When you use a WW when there's
Fury so fun
Great work m8!!
Hello, great video, thank you!
How viable do you think a crit fury build would be for Kyrian with the new legendary? With talents like seethe and DR and siegebreaker interacting with the 20% crit damage?
my analysis had elysian might increasing the value of crit and made those talents increase in value as well, but not enough to beat out the standard build/stat priorities. With higher ilvls and even higher crit amounts it's possible that might change.
Oh yes, been waiting for this :) One question after watching a bit, I don’t really understand the 2 targets whirlwind usage. You say to ensure the buff is up for rampage, but what about the rest of the time? Does it just become a filler with the lowest priority like it is on ST, or does it take prio over something else? Is it worth to whirlwind before Condemn or execute too? Thanks for the content, really glad I found your channel
You should still fill with it just like on ST, but if you're going to be rampaging in the next 2 GCDs AND won't have a stack of WW for that rampage, then you should prioritize WW over your other abilities because a WW+45% of a rampage is worth more than a BT/RB. As for ensuring WW for execute/condem on 2 target: for condemn, I'd say yes because of how much damage it does per use. for execute, if WWing for the execute is going to for sure force me to delay the upcoming rampage to WW again (i.e. having to replace a BT/RB with a WW to get stacks so I can cleave the rampage), I personally don't . with that said, ideally you should try and line your rampages and executes/condemns up such that you WW-> rampage-> execute, and will be able to get to your next rampage before the cooldown of execute completes so you don't have to WW twice between each rampage.
@@CautexWoW Ty so much for the reply friend, really appreciate it!
I'm thinking of switching from Venthyr to Kyrian purely for all-round performance. Great at m+ and raids. and excellent for pvp as arms...
But I just can't bring myself to start all over.
I disagree with the raging blow > BT if enraged. considering we have downtime when we spam abilities the ideal scenario to ABC is that you use ranging blow if two stacks or BT if you have less than 2 stacks of raging blow. this way you`ll always have this 2 skills running the cooldown timer, you`ll use less abilities and will ABC less if you do not use BT more often (whenever you have less than 2 stacks of RB) - this logic only applies if you`re enraged.
Hey Cautex , great video . I have a rotation question to ask : if raging blow has 2 charges do we use one raging blow then bloodthirst and then raging blow again? doesnt that do more damage than using both charges of raging blow and then a bloodthirst? .
it depends on if you will be enraged for that 2nd GCD. if you are going to be enraged for both GCDs, then it's best to RB-RB-BT, but if the enrage buff will fall off before you can use that 2nd ability, then it's best to RB-BT-RB.
@@CautexWoW makes sense , thanks for replying :)
So this is probably a dumb question but I didn't see you mention Titans grip vs single minded fury. I've always done titans grip but I for the life of me haven't had much luck yet with getting 2 handers in 9.1 and blizzard keeps giving me 1 handers that are much higher ilvl then my 2 handers. I've even set my loot preference to arms hoping that might land me a 2 hander but no luck. Would it be worth while to switch it up to the higher ilvl 1 handers for now or at least until I can land a couple 2 handers? Or should I just hang on to my 2 handers until I get better ones? Thanks for the video, well done.
Excellent guide, ggs ;)
Are we supposed to run Seigebreaker for NF Natures Fury AOE as well? I assume we keep Bladestorm.
What is the stat prior when you are using elysian might??
Are you personally gonna be swapping to any other covenant? Or staying NF
I'm personally staying night fae for at least heroic week. However, I've completed the first half of the quests to swap back to venthyr, so once I get to see how the they've tuned boss/add HP, I'll be able to be venthyr by the time mythic opens up if that feels like the best play.
@@CautexWoW with signet leggo?
Initially yes, because I do not believe the renown legendaries will be craftable in the first two weeks (if my memory is right I think you need renown 48 to craft, so they'd be available mythic week)
@@CautexWoW how much dps we will loss in ST against Venthyr furys?
around 7-8% (with sinful surge)
So Venthyr + Sinful Surge or Venthyr + Signet of Tormented Kings?
Or maybe Night Fae + Signet of Tormented Kings?
I heard Signet is good for both ST as well as AOE.. really can't decide which..
Though if I have a lot of Haste I think its good to go Venthyr Singul Surge so stack duration(spam)
Is single minded fury worth considering? Or is sticking with Titans grip the way to go?
I was kyrian before but then switched to night fae but now that tanks are pulling so much bigger than before in mythic+ I'm temped to go back to kyrian do you think the AOE from the spear would do more than ancient aftershock when it comes to tanks pulling upards of 10 - 15 adds at a time since ancient aftershock only hits 5 enemies at a time so do you think it would be more of a person preference type of thing or what covanant would be better for these types of pulls
What do you think is best for M+? Fury or arms, keys being 15-19. Thanks!
Should you whirlwind on execute/condemn when fighting 2 targets?
for condemn, I'd say yes. for execute, if it's going to for sure force me to delay the upcoming rampage to WW again, I personally don't. with that said, ideally you should try and line your rampages and executes/condemns up such that you WW-> rampage-> execute, and will be able to get to your next rampage before the cooldown of execute completes so you don't have to WW twice between each rampage.
Speaking of hotfixes that sinful surge Nerf today
Prioritize execute over blood thirst when NOT enraged? The only thing I’m unsure about. :c
Great video! One thing I always wondered was how Cruelty interacts with the already existing 20% chance of raging blow reset? Would it mean that if I'm enraged, I would have a 50% to reset raging blow? Or just 30%? I've also heard from other guides that it is good to keep bloodlust on CD because of the long recharge time of raging blow. Would the reset percentage of Cruelty affect the rotation priority?
cruelty doesn't add 30% reset chance, it sets the reset chance to 30% (because of WoW's spaghetti code, blizzard has to do it this way because otherwise it would interact multiplicatively with the base reset chance and that'd be weird).
Prioritizing BT like that is a more conservative way of playing that is willing to potentially sacrifice how effectively each enrage buff gets used in order to try and maximize the number of enrage buffs. Whereas my approach is willing to potentially sacrifice the number of enrage buffs I get in order to maximize how effectively I utilize each enrage buff that I get. I am of the belief that given the current state of enrage uptime (~70-75% on single target fights) that the better thing to do is maximize what is done during enrage because it is the majority of the time spent during the fight. If enrage uptime was below 50%, then I believe that it would be correct to play more conservatively and prioritize BT>RB(1charge) during enrage. Ultimately both strategies are valid/viable because they are two sides of the same coin, and which one you choose is something that comes down to your personal risk tolerance.
Reduced RB reset chance would reduce the number of times that you would have to decide between BT and RB.
(as an extreme example, if there was 0 reset chance, the overlap would occur every 8th BT, which would be every 36 seconds with no haste)
Good video!
I'm so torn on NF/Venthyr. If I go for NF, I won't have enough renown to quickly switch to venthyr and craft Sinful Surge If i see venthyr being better :D. But I do enjoy NF more, however I want to be as benifitial to the guild as possible going into mythic
Hey, quick question - I crafted Deathmaker in 9.0 (30% chance for Rampage to apply Siegebreaker). Is that still a viable option for ST? Or should I forget about it? Thanks!
Does criting on melee swings or abilities give bonus rage?
I’m excited for sinful surge have you gotten to use it? If so how does it feel? Also how would my rotation with it work with dragon roar
I played with it a bit on the PTR. if you're familiar with what it feels like to reck during execute phase (making execute generate 40 rage, and basically turning your rotation into exec-[ability]-rampage-exec-[ability]-rampage, with occasionally doing 2 abilities after the execute), it makes that feeling last a lot longer.
as for dragons roar, you should be using it more or less on CD, but you should make sure that you're enraged when you use it. it takes priority over both BT and RB when you are enraged.
Is using two 1 hander weapons going to be a huge dps loss? Do I have to stick to 2 handers?
Do do you still take Fresh meat as Venthyr in M+? Does Tyr vs Fort week effect this choice? Thank you for such an in depth guide! 🙏🏼
Yes you still take fresh meat in M+ as venthyr, and while sudden death would get increased value on tyrannical weeks, I personally don't think it's enough of a difference to justify taking it over taking fresh meat.
Is single minded fury the same dps as titans grip?
Heya! Returning player here.
Awesome guide, however 1 was missing 1 thing here (probably for others a no-brainer): what is the difference between dual wielding 1h and 2h weapons?
They're both good options though usually, assuming equal ilvl, 2h tends to be just slightly better.
@@CautexWoW thank you!
What's that BS duration WA in the video? Can you wago it?
sure why not. here you go: wago.io/yIYzTzqdI
@@CautexWoW ty! And as a side note, where can we look to find more information on the timing swaps for Anger and Reck?
I believe there's some information in one of the pinned messages on the fury section of the skyhold discord, but generally speaking though the break point is that if you'll be able to get another recklessness off during a condemn phase due to AM, then AM beats RA.
How is Fury solo ability? Like Torghast? Would you be able to do tier 8 easily with ilevel 190? Or too Low sustain?
if you play well fury's solo capability is quite good, especially in torghast. It's been so long since I've been at that particular gear level that I'm not comfortable answering yes/no to your exact question, but I will say that with ~226ilvl on the PTR release candidate build, I was able to do numerous 5star/flawless layer 12 torghast runs without using empower at all.
If bloodthirst and raging are on cd isn't running out for charge going to be more efficient than using a whirlwind?
Only if you do it in between melee swings, which most people don't track on their UI
Muy buena guía
I wanna get rid out of Bladestorm (i.e. Signet). I only play fury in M+. NF seems meh because random tanks tend to move mobs a lot for no reason, so I won't get 100% damage of AA. At the same time, Kyrian seems meh because their leggo is literally Korayn's FS. So, which combo of covenant+leggo you'd suggest?
the elysian might isn't first strike. first strike provides crit CHANCE, and elysian might provides crit DAMAGE. While that might not seem like a meaningful difference, it is.
If all you do is M+, then I personally would say kyrian simply because it's a change of pace from night fae, and the utility provided by an 8sec tether is huge.
@@CautexWoW holy, my client literally says crit chance for both. I guess it's just a translation mistake. What's the difference between 25% crit chance and 25% crit damage speaking numerically? Which is better and better by how much?
Nice!