This reminds me of an interview Lewis had saying if he ever had a son, he would not want them to go into F1 due to the pressure of his last name. Mick is an amazing guy, but I can’t fathom the amount of pressure he’s under.
I think it only affects how people treat him. I don't think it impacts him or his performance. I've heard him talk about his dad and the Schumacher name quite a bit and it really doesn't seem to affect him.
Is he really? I mean, more often than not I see people making excuses for him because everyone wants a Schumacher in F1 (ideally in Ferrari). Sorry, but in my view people tend to cut him some slack because of his heritage.
while I agree that having a name like Schumi puts you under pressure, I think that pressure has dissipated after seeing Mick drive for two years, no one is expecting Mick to win a race in his career anymore, let alone a championship.
I think a massive point has to be made about terrible strategy calls from haas which screwed up his Monza, Suzuka, Zandvoort and arguably Marina Bay and the dominant race head to heads. I have also noticed that if you take away Kevin's (amazing) P5 in Bahrain where Mick was not prepared to be in a points winning car, the pair would be level on points, Mick being ahead because of a P6 finish. I know it's weird to be thinking about the hypotheticals but the fact that the pair are so close in reality is not acknowledged enough.
Mick had a donkey of a car last year and the cars are so different now, so you can write off last year. This year he started slow. But he's got better as the year has gone on and he's of comparable pace to Kevin now. He's proven to be a driver that improves every year throughout his career. He's had some accidents, but he's essentially a rookie. Carlos had a patch of crashes this year. Grosjean used to crash a fair bit and HAAS kept him for years. Mick definitely deserves to be on the grid next year.
Not to mention that Mick's 3 big crashes this year were 2 from aquaplaning in the wet, and the other was on one of the most difficult and unforgiving tracks of the calendar. Compared to some other drivers (Tsunoda, Stroll, Latifi, even Sainz) who frequently binned it for no reason, he doesn't look as bad mistake-wise, it just happens that they were 3 of the biggest crashes of the year in terms of impact and damage.
@@acogsupercute No one is saying he is the next champion, but you don't have to the best driver on the grid to deserve your seat. So chill out and stop hating.
I think he does, given his performances since Canada. He is unlucky that his upturn in performance has coincided with a downturn in car development, but he has shown that he has the speed to be a midfield driver. KMag is a proven driver and a solid midfielder, so I think beating KMag in the second half has shown that Mick deserves it on merit and not just on the basis of his last name.
Yeah I'd agree, both the Haas & Alfa were stronger relative to the field at the start of the season. Fingers crossed it's just because they're holding off all their juice til 2023
If it is between him and GIO or any current F2 driver then he definetelly deserves it. Between him and hulk is a bit harder to tell depending on what plans Haas has as a (god damn i nearly had a stroke) team. If they want to go back to their early days of battling for 4th hulk is the way to go for now. If they want to develop slowly to fight for 4th in a few years then mick is the way to go
Gio is so underrated in gasly ms second year in gp2 and gios first he fonshed 7pts behind him if I’m correct so therefore he has to be angle to do what gasly does heel us very fast but Alfa had horrific strategies looking at the London race in formula e I don’t know how he dragged that tractor into second he had a lot of engine faliours and worst car on the grid by far he deserves to be in f1 full stop
3 or 4 times this year Haas stragtist has screwed over Mick. The lastest example being Japan. However before he got screwed, he was in points. So multiple times this year he's shown that he has the stuff needed to score points. So yes, he deserves to be in Formula 1. Also that defense against Hamilton was absolute masterclass. It's like he almost knew ever move Lewis was going to do before he did
The Japan strategy call was risky but if there had been a safety car it would be a whole other story, and he could’ve gotten a podium. Hindsight’s 20/20
I mean where did he show the consistency? At the end Stroll gets hate for being in bec of his name but he still out qualified a hole grid or had really good teammate at a way younger age. He isnt bad but at the moment the grid is full of talente and mick especially at hid age isnt good enough.
Not to mention Seb as his godfather had to go force Haas to get him a proper personal moulded seat because they weren’t going to get him one…they haven’t invested anything in him that wasn’t bare minimum
I really really like Mick, and i know that plays a huge factor in how I view this situation. I feel like he deserves one more chance, preferably in better machinery. Thst said, his results so far speak for themselves, and he simply hasn’t performed as well as expected. Part of that is the weight and heritage associated with his name.
the fact he deserves another chance at all is very arguable so he definitely does not deserve a chance in a better car. that's a bit ridiculous to hear for me
@@formularguments7335 he does deserve a second chance, because the alternatives are Gio and Hulk, who both have had a lot more chances than him and didn't do much better in the case of Gio.
@@Tooms100 hulk is for sure better than Mick. the only arguement people have for hulk not being good enough is that he has no podiums. but he is definitely capable of podiums but just bottled the few attempts he had. he matched checo at force India who is now at redbull. he wasn't far off the almighty Daniel Ricciardo (who retired after 2020) at Renault. I would definitely rather Mick than gio tho that's for sure. but it isn't just those drivers who should be mentioned. there are so many drivers in Motorsport who could have the potential to be great in f1 too.
He hasn’t performed as well as expected? I‘ve watched his Jr. and he is performing as expected in my opinion. He was always a late bloomer, starting to get a hang of the game in the end of his first season and perform really well in his second. And I would completely disregard his first season as a trial. Like you can’t learn the ropes in a car that terrible. So this season is his true net first season and would you look at that, he started to perform well in the second half of the season (minus being screwed by his team on multiple occasions). I say we really need to see his next season, because that’s his net second and we know from him, that’s when he starts to perform
The thing is he has actually "outperformed" Kmag, the thing is Kmag performed well straight away and Mick didnt, and the car was competitive where as it slowly slipped away so when Mick actually started beating Kmag the car wasnt fast enough for points either way
Mick is finally starting to find his pace. Kmag is the teammate he always needed, super fast and experienced, but he's young, so they can get along well
The pressure on him must be insane. He's Michael's son, Ralf's nephew (yes I do rate him, he is a proven race winner and on his day a DAMN quick driver). He's had success in the junior categories, the Ferrari connection etc. It must be quite a lot to manage on some days at least
People think he doesn't deserve another chance in the sport because they expect him to be like Michael. He clearly wasn't/isn't/won't be like him but he's at least worthy of another season considering the drivers we've seen lately in F1. If he improves, he can stay (although I feel his talent can get him at most a midfield seat). If he doesn't he leaves, but with the certainty that he tried
@@eibobaomedaumchicletao no he is in it bec he won f3 and f2 lol out of the younger drivers on the grid based on previous performances he deserves to be in f1
I kinda feel like most people who slander Mick, are doing so because of his last name. We've gotten used to have a "this pilot doesn't deserve to be here" that I think people just gave that tag to him. But he actually won F2, he actually earned his seat. And yes, maybe his name opened up some doors for him, but at the end of the day he still has to drive. I don't know, I just feel like, for example, Yuki had plenty of shunts and he hasn't been consistent (at least not lately) and yet he has recieved lots of support. Mick might not be the second coming of Michael, but he's not the horrid driver some people talk about, and most of his bad results, at least lately, have been due to either bad strategies, bad luck or simply mechanical issues.
Agreed! Mick also won F3. And in yuki's case, Franz Tost is a supportive TP, who said a rookie needs 3 years to settle in. Whereas GS just goes around badmouthing him every chance he gets, and not even praise him when he actually did a good job.
I don't think it's completely slander. Teams have really got to look at the cost cap now, and shunts that destroy a car really hurt a team, especially one that is not a top 5. They're literally having to decide do we fire more staff or keep this one guy. I don't think Mick is awful by any stretch. He has had moments of brilliance and has gone wheel to wheel with the big boys, but are those moments enough for HAAS and can they keep taking the risk on him? We'll see.
Yuki? Most people think yuki isnt good enough BUT we all know they dont have somebody ready and dont need some old driver bec there goal isnt the best possible performance is having somebody for the future ready for RB.
Not only the way he is treated like s**t although being clearly the better driver for many races now, also the fact that he doesn’t know anything about his future is reprehensible. Hoping the best for Mick, no matter if staying at F1 or driving another series
it seems like Guenther doesnt like Mick but Kevin and Micks mechanics have always been nice to him for example when Kevin hugged Mick when Mick got his first points in F1
I want Mick to stay, he is showing clear signs of improvement. I do think some of his costly shunts might make him less appealing to a team struggling financially.
He has outdone KMag in the race multiple times, even when Haas are giving him 10 year long pitstops. He absolutely deserves a chance to still be in F1.
@@danevirke No one cares about quali, just look at Leclerc earlier in the season. Also it's like people forget that race results are influenced by much mroe than driving skills. Or they are too dumb to realize that.
I really don't feel Mick has been given a proper chance yet. Yes he's a bit crash prone, but look has his amazing defense skills. If he were in a better-off team--like Tsunoda in AT for example--the crashes would have been water under the bridge for a budding F1 driver--as it has been for Tsunoda. I think Mick has shown really solid pace and racecraft. He's just expected to make miracles in a shit box against a much more experienced and quite quick teammate And yes you hit on a great point: Mick _is_ improving. That's massive! We already know Mick takes some time to warm up in a series. I think he needs at least one more year to show that he's a capable driver. I'll be quite disappointed if Hulkenberg takes his spot tbh. He's had several years out of F1 at this point, and he kinda had his chance in the sun the way I see it. I don't think Haas will get who they think they're getting with Hulkenberg, unless their only goal is to have a driver who won't crash.
Perfect analysis, 100% agree with you, the only problem with Mick and Haas is that the team is in a difficult spot moneywise and he crash a little bit too much, the Tsunoda example fits perfectly as Alpha Tauri is obviously in a different economic situation than Haas
Remember "Crashtappen"? Great drivers often have some mistakes in their rookie season. You're looking for proof of speed, an arc of improvement, and if you're lucky, some leadership. Given what a mess Haas is and Mick is still showing promise, yeah he deserves a seat.
@@eibobaomedaumchicletao his first season wasn't driving in f1, It was more like driving a tractor on f1 circuit, he can't even compete with the bottom of the grid because of that shitbox of a car. For this year he clearly has shown that he can be a midfield driver imo, the only issue is the one i said earlier.
@@tmasoo people seem to forget this simple fact, i dont even think last year's haas would have made the 107% rule, u seriously can't count that as a rookie season. Even just watching onboards of maz and mick last year shows that car was a brick on wheels with a wooden plank for a front wing and arguably had the worst engine on the grid at the time to add to the misery. it just looked like an absolute pig to drive. so when looking at 2022 as a standalone entity, based on his progression relative to kmag he damn well deserves another year for sure.
F1 as a whole will be missing out if we never get Mick on a podium or winning a race or a title for just how emotional that would be. The idea of him leaving now is just sad
I think Mick deserves at least one more full year in F1. Also you made a statement that made me laugh loud enough while I was listening at work that made my co-workers look at me. F1 is not a Drama….. one of the best jokes I’ve heard about f1 in a long time.
I think mick as been doing sound during the second half of a year considering haas hasn’t scored a point since Austria he’s been equal/out performing Magnussen so he deserves time and a car to show his full pot
he looses in points, qualifying, pace, damage costs, (attacking and defending) there's no debate here no matter what crucial parts of racing you're gonna ignore😂
Personally I feel Mick is still in that rookie period. However shown much improvement to only be screwed by poor strategy & George taking him out. But when we are having conversations like this when have the likes of Yuki who hasn't scored since round 6 in better a better car and loves a good crash too. It just boggles my mind that Haas are even thinking of going with a either hulk who holds the record for the most starts without a podium and finished last in Bahrain this year or giovinazzi who wasn't great. Mick is young, we don't need to keep bringing back the old guys when it's difficult as it is to get into the sport. Like the media have said I don't feel dropping mick and putting someone else in that car will do anything for them. So just leave the poor kid alone.
Short answer: YES!! True to his style in his junior career, he is a late bloomer who does better in his 2nd year. He's been steadily improving as the season progresses and I believe he's been outperforming kmag for a while. Quali not his strength but other than that, he's doing a good job. However, we all know Haas is treating him poorly, especially Guenther. He needs a more positive environment.
The thing with the Williams car is that it CAN be a competitive car at times (Monza, Spa, Japan, Australia). That spotty competitiveness combined with Logan's knack for not getting into trouble could give Williams way more chances at points than what Latifi has given them, or what I think Mick could possibly give them.
Ok what about Canada where Mick could have been p8 when his engine blew up? Or the bad pit in the Dutch gp. Or the time that Vettel crashed into Mick ? Or Suzuka? These "spotty" times that you easily claim that Logan will get points Mick only didn't get them cuz purely because of things that he did not have control over.
@@Rukh_3547 Obviously if Mick had no control over those situations I'm not going to diminish him for it. I'm also saying that I think Logan COULD do better, mostly because he has shown better consistency (when there's no incidents out of the control of the driver) than Mick in my opinion. Will that consistency carry over into F1? Who knows
Mick is basically having a second rookie year. Last year he had an absolute dog of a car and a non-existent team mate. This year he has a completely different spec of car...that is still a bit of a dog. Add to that the pressure being put on him by NOT having his future known and he's done pretty damn well
I feel like it's also important and fair to look at the mistakes from haas. their strategy and it stops have many times taken mick out of the points. zandvoort mick was comfortably in p7 and haas did a 12 second pit stop that sent him back to p17. in Suzuka he was in the points and even in the top 3 (I know it was just a brief seconds) but haas strategy to pit kmag who was way behind before mick was comical and shows that the team isn't serious when it comes to scoring points. they're the only team to not have scored points after the summer break. you see Williams improving with straight line speed and Aston Martin outscoring Mercedes 2 weekends in a row but haas is the only team truly going backwards and somehow this comes off as mick's lack of skill. personally I find that unfair. I know mick is no senna or hamilton but he deserves a chance. george Russell was given 3 season to grow in Williams and now he's performing super well. I feel like the environment at haas isn't healthy for mick
To this day, Haas's strategy in Japan made no sense. You want Mick to perform well, and more, but you put him on the gamble strategy that basically guarantees his race being over if it doesnt pay off? And you put the other car, who isnt in the points, on the standard strategy? It doesnt take a genius to realize that if you want to gamble, do it on the car that is in the worss off position.
Mick could be a good pickup for a team like Williams. He might end up being like his uncle Ralf. A solid midfield or second driver for a good team in a few years. Sargeant needs another year (or win F2) to get into F1. Mick should get a year with Williams to see what he can do. If he can improve and fix his issues (crashes), he might be more appealing in next year’s market.
@@OumuamuaOumuamua Also Hulk. Hulk was pretty mediocre in his final years. And he is way older. As shown, experience wont carry a team thats idiotic in its decisions.
@@jimmy5516 hulk was not mediocre at all in his final years. the only thing against Hulk is that he wasn't able to achieve a podium. he was capable of it tho but he just unfortunately bottled the very few attempts of one that he had. he was on the same level as checo at force India who is at redbull now. he wasn't far away from Ricciardo in 2019
@windfall he was never in a car that was capable of podiums on merit in 180 races. haas aren't even a team that are capable of podiums on the most chaotic of days anyway so it's kind of irrelevant even to say. hulk is very fast and consistent and that's what matters
He's made massive progress, is up against a top tier talent, and is only in his second year. If Yuki is getting more time, I think Mick deserves more time too.
If it's possible for him, I think he really should go to Williams. It's true that he might get a shot towards points even less but at least I feel like Williams has better strategy than Haas and makes it count when it's crucial and can help in Mick's development. Also I get that Mick crashed a few times but this second half of the season all Haas has been doing is sabotaging Mick's race and most of the time I don't quite understand why? He gets a good start, sits comfortably in points and after a while because of some stupid strategy call he ends up finishing last
I think it's fair to say over the internet, Zhou seems to be having a better season than Mic, even though the championship points are saying otherwise. I think it's down to the start of the season. Zhou had a fantastic debut race, that big save in Monaco, started to out-qualify Bottas and then the fastest lap in the rain. Whereas Mick had the big shunt, another big shunt, it's almost impossible to recover when you dug such a big hole in the beginning of the season. And once the impression is settled, not just for us fans, also the Haas management team, you tend to start seeing other kinks that you wouldn't otherwise.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised with how solid Zhou has been especially considering his luck. He's tied for most DNF by a driver this year, but literally not a single DNF can be argued as his fault. His DNFs were mech failure, mech failure, mech failure, insane pileup at start of silverstone where George flipped him upside down, and got Latified last race. Meanwhile MIck only has 3 DNFs, but 2 of those were shunts only involving himself. Despite this, Zhou has more points finishes. Zhou has improved a lot of over the course of the season and is now qualifying on par with Bottas. It's just a shame that Alfa's pace has fallen of a cliff over the same course of time. If the Alfa car was still competitive like it was earlier in the season, it's pretty clear he would be scoring some impressive points right now.
Mick does have some serious skills, he deserves more years than latifi based on name alone but he’s far better than many other drivers that had longer f1 stints
many people treat his first year at Haas as though he didn't drive at all, because the car drove like a boat on land. I think it could be even worse than that, he very well could have learned bad habbits / a driving style that doesn't work with a quick F1 car and is now at a disadvantage, because he had to unlearn those first.
You raise the point for Giovanazi that it's not a good look to outqualify your teammate and then to finish behind them. But that's been happening quite a bit between Kmag and Mick, in Mick's favour 👀
I think he is essentially on almost equal race pace with Kevin, and he makes fewer stupid mistakes in first lap incidents. Based on who might be replacing him if he is kicked out, Gio or Hulk in my opinion it's a no brainer to keep Mick for another season.
It's a performance based sport. Everyone knows that. It's difficult to evaluate Mick since the Haas is a underperforming car but the general consensus is that he needs to do better. We already saw some sights of race craft but he needs more.
it doesn't matter too much about the cars overall performance it's about how he stacks up against his teammate. that's how you compare drivers in this sport. if Mick was finishing in the points regularly but was being beaten the same by his teammate it would be equally as bad. ofc even against a driver in the same car there is so many variables such as which drivers driving style is best for the car they are driving etc etc
You can't really judge his performance when Haas fucks up every time he performs well. Haas' strategy and pit stops are awful and they just throw away any chance at points every race.
I think the biggest issue for mick is that haas obviously wants him to push. As a young driver he does as well. But if he makes a mistake he’s on the chopping block. Ironic. I was hoping he would hopping he would be able to go alpha touri. I wish the best for him. I think it’s a crazy decision to consider dropping him for someone like hulk or AG. Nothing against them. I just think at this point mick has a higher potential then those two. I think he just needs a little guidance and leadership plus some room to grow in the car without fear of being chopped. Anywho. Just one man’s thoughts at the moment and subject to change with new info.
I think this just proves Haas is not a good place for a young driver to be. They want drivers with experience that can outperform the team's limitations
I feel the same. Like we bring in Gio or Hulk, we know what we're getting. There's probably not going to be much improvement from either of them. Mick, meanwhile, is still improving, and quite rapidly, if we're using K Mag's qualifying as a benchmark
I think Mick is way more important to Haas than Steiner is willing to admit. 1&1 (german company) is currently their only serious sponsor and they can´t afford to lose them. I think Mick is pretty much the only reason they are sponsoring the team (in germany they are more in the publicity because of it). If they don´t want to repeat 2021 due to a lack of money they should be interested in keeping him. Of course there are allways new sponsors available, but Haas should know it´s not that easy to put trust in a new one.
@@jadynhasstupid2275 Other guy is correct, dummy. Mick is only reason why Haas has big sponsors like 1&1. AFAIK Kmag doesnt have any personal sponsors this season. He used to be sponsored by Jack&Jones, but they dropped him when he left F1.
One point you didn't mention were Haas' strat and pit stop errors in Barcelona, Suzuka and Zandvoort along with bad luck in Montreal (reliability) and Monza (Safety Car), which cost Mick multiple potential points finishes - Monza being the most unrealistic of the 5 in my mind. And then there was George Russel leaving him enough space in Singapore... I believe that had he been able to score points in some of these races, we would not even be having this discussion right now. As you showed, there's been steady progression in his pace and consistency - the lead race engineer for Haas attested to that as well - which, for me, makes him deserving of at least another year at Haas. If I had to pick a replacement: Hulk over Gio, absolute no brainer in my mind.
Small correction for your Office reference; only Jim, not Jim and Stanley, were doing the meatball prank on Dwight, and as it turned out Dwight and Stanley were actually working together to get Jim to continue with the prank because he was getting them free meatballs
Yes . And not because he has Schumacher in his name. But because the season started with him always lagging behind the faster kmag. But now we are seeing mick most of the time outperforming kmag , a clear improvement in front of our eyes
He deserves a 3rd year. Right now it’s Haas letting Schumacher down more than vice versa and Schumacher is better as a driver than Haas is as a team or Steiner is as a team principal. Magnussen is faster but he just throws away chances at points by fighting top teams on lap 1 and breaking a wing. If I were him I’d be trying to get to Williams Also, if Michael was still up and about, Mick would’ve gone straight to Alfa Romeo and if he was there he’d be a proper decent driver by now. Michael would not stand for how Steiner leads
I used to think that mick didnt deserve to be in f1 but he really turned it up these past few races. Im sure if you put him in a good car he can absolutely perform.
I don't see Gio being an upgrade over Schumacher now that he got used to the new cars. I would keep Schumacher for another year and then see to get someone like Herta a super license in 2023, and if it doesn't work out with Schumacher next year get him in for 2024.
I haven't heard literally anyone mention it but I think Mick should consider the Mercedes reserve role, he should have some ties because of Michael, and there are no Mercedes Junior drivers that could take that role right now really
K-Mag and his end plates - funny Mick hasn't had the same problem. K-Mag is responsible for the contact and takes him out of the points. Mick has been scoring more points then K-Mag recently (the team really messed him up in the Dutch GP) and then the whole Singapore issue when he wasn't at fault at all, Russell just messed up. So yeah, Schumacher has a more upside the K-Mag.
I would argue the Saudi Arabia crash shouldn’t count against him. Plenty of drivers voiced concern over that curb. Mick just got the shit end of the stick on it.
I'd give Mick at least another year at Haas, maybe gamble on two years if I was Gunther Steiner. This year's car totally different design, better car able to fight others, solid teammate and as stated in the video recent pace to KMag has improved a lot. The crash damage, he's pushing the car hard to out drive it, he's trying, he's just not got as much experience to find the limit, push it a bit over and keep control. Max was like that the first two years in Redbull, look at him now. Mick is doing just fine.
@@fazzzykahn6516 so he's not 17, who cares, it's about time in the seat and experience. Max was 19 when he was still crashing and two years behind the wheel. As long as they are physically up to the conditions of driving, age doesn't come into it, experience does.
@@fazzzykahn6516 not dumb at all, he was crashing due to putting an F1 car on its limit and keeping it there, F3 and F2 junior categories just give you experience of understanding a race weekend, practice, car setup, getting a quali lap done etc. So Max avoided that, for any driver stepping into F1, the cars are a whole new beast, much trickier to get on the limit and holding it there. Doing junior categories may give one a very slight advantage over a driver who has skipped some, but getting an F1 car on edge and maximising its performance is a new and steep learning curve for every new driver, no matter their background. Look at Tsunoda, he raced the juniors, he still has had his share of crashes. Point is, Mick has started to improve, the tide is turning and he's worth the gamble.
@@fazzzykahn6516 Max literally drove in Formula Renault and F3... And he's been karting since he was 3 years old. Max is literally the definition of being drilled with thousands of hours of experience.
I feel bad for the way Mick's F1 career has went. He shows some decent potential, not as much as his father, but a decent driver that could have a long career in the midfield, or as a second at a top team. I really think the issue with him is that he started at Haas. I love Haas as a team, and if it was the Haas of old it would be a different story, but Mick got screwed by joining them for his rookie season in their worst year. If he had been put at a competent and experienced team like Alfa Romeo, he would've done much better. Look at how well Zhou has done with a decent car and teammate from a top team. I get that Mick was slow to learn in the starter leagues, but I can't understand why Ferrari would place him at Haas and not Alfa like they did with Charles. Antonio should've been sent to Haas as the Ferrari seat and allowed a place for Mick on Alfa. Imagine what he could've done learning from Kimi his rookie season.
Obviously he does. The amount of times Haas screwed him over of points position… However, I just don’t know if Haas is the right team for him. AM or Alpine would’ve been great. I’d even advise him to go to Williams rather than Haas
I don’t think K-Mag and Hulk have beef. If I remember correctly, K-Mag said in an interview that the first time they met this year during the Bahrain GP. Hulk said “Suck my balls” jokingly
You should use the ratio from actual times instead of just raw difference, as the percent of lap time is what you need. Lao times vary a good bit beteween circuits.
Tsunoda had a far more usable rookie season than Mick and he is behind him in standings. Plus, personality wise, Mick seems like a cool guy to work with while Yuki... I wanna slap the shit out of him whenever his radio comes on. Mick's biggest problem are his shunts. Pace, results, everything is getting better. I have no idea what his Japan damage was, was it as big as two previous ones? He clearly tends to go over the limit at times, and street circuits take their toll on him. One thing nobody mentions - he's really good in rain. In a rain-leveled playing field, he did really good in quali and races. He could have scored massive points in Japan if Haas hadn't fucked up the strategy. 2-3 more potential better points races were fucked up by strategy or car issues. His battles with Max and Lewis mid season were also a clear indicator he is not a out of place in F1. He started improving at a time when Haas started falling behind the rest of the grid. Put today's Mick in a start of season situation, he'd have more points and at least one big shunt less. Another problem of his goes by the name of Foksmash Steiner. That guy's sole purpose in life seems to be getting as many DTS minutes as possible. He's no fit for bringing up a young driver. Period. I hope Mick manages to grab the Williams seat for next season. They might have a shitty car, but they seem a lot better at managing their drivers. In terms of success, Russell was on par or maybe even worse than Mick (would like to see a H2H between their first two seasons), but Williams stuck with him, gave him time to develop and he's become a more than decent driver. If he won't be able to catch the Williams seat, I think he'd ve better off out of F1 than in Haas.
@@TommoMcCluskey Yup, according to German media, a new deal will be announced in Austin :) the Williams seat if Sargent dont get it, will probably go to Hulki, he is in the running there as well, by the looks of it :)
Absolutely on point video. Except 2 things: Mick is better that Slowvinazzi and Nico. Plus Nico doesn't get along with Kmag. Can you imagine the amount of meatball flags between those 2 shunting ? The best option for Haas is give Mick 1 more year. Gio is garbage, Nico is getting old. I would much rather see Shawrztman, Porchaire, Lawson, any junior rather than those 2. The best for Willians is ALSO to get Mick now with 1 year deal, keep Sargent in F2 so he can become even better and by the end of next season decide if they renew with Mick or promote Logan.
Thank you! I’ve been saying this is way more of a rookie season just because of how shit the haas car really was, on some days he genuinely has good pace this year. And he’s still settling it to the new car like the other drivers. Yeah he’s had his moments that have been dreadful, but I think they’ve clouded peoples view of how much he’s improved
The weird thing about Mick is that he has done better that MAG in races, but it dosen't feel like it since MAG scores big, but he should get another chance, either in HAAS or Williams for 1 or 2 seasons
Mick has potential, legendary surname, and tons of German sponsorship 💰. Gunther making himself look like a wanker more & more everyday not signing Mick.
i think people expect him to be just as good as michael. but mick is so clear of kmag that kmag should get so much shit from the community when you see how much hate mick gets
but Tsunoda costed his team 2x front wing and front suspension this season, not almost $5mil and he is driving against Gasly, not someone like Magnussen.
Here's the way I see it. Mick is a solid driver and I do think Haas should resign him, not just because he's a solid driver, but also because of the Sponsor money he brings in from German companies. I think Günther and Haas are smart enough to know that getting rid of Mick can cause problems Money wise more than they already have. They are already on less of a budget than most teams so they can't really take that risk of losing more money. Sure some companies stick around, because of nationality and Nico Hülkenberg can fill that, however like you said: If they can't get Hulk on a multi-year contract than it's only going to be a matter of time until the Sponsors leave. If they get Nico on a multi-year deal than it will be all good, but if they don't than resigning Mick is the best option I believe, though Italian Jesus is also a good option. Then Factor in when Haas mucked up Mick's strategy in races he was doing well in, shunts that killed his race that weren't his fault (Bahrain, Ocon, Lap 1) and the fact that the pace defecit is shrinking between him and Kev and it all amounts to me seeing (with some German Bias addmitedly) that Mick deserves at least 1 or 2 more seasons to prove himself.
The shunts are results of small mistakes in bad locations. I think the issue for Haas has been Gunther and his relationship with the drivers, than the drivers itself.
Your talking about someone being overrated but your mentioning hulkenberg.Ironic.Mick was screwed by the strategy many times.Hell even steiner mentioned it himself.And also to point out that mick finished more times in front of kevin
@@quintenvanderhoorn907In what way? Hulkenberg is washed.Even when he was in f1 he got beaten by perez many times while in same team.He coudnt peform but people really like to overrate him.No wonder he is now a reserve driver.Nobody wants him .
@@adamwuilmart People like to overrate mick because of his surname.He is doing pretty good but people think that just because he is a shumacher he should win races not realizing that he is in one of the lower midfield teams and that today f1 also requires you to have a decently fast car.
From Haas’ point of view, the only reason to keep Mick is sponsorship due to his surname. If Mick shows any sort of pace potential he’ll get snapped up by a better team. But in the meantime he’s an expensive driver who’s delivering less than an average driver such as Magnussen. It would be harsh for Haas to drop Mick, but if you take emotion out of it and look at the facts, there’s no real point in keeping him. He’s never shown any pace that would nail him on as a future race winner or world champ like Hamilton, Verstappen and Leclerc did in their 1st & 2nd seasons. He’s not destined for the great things that everyone wanted him to achieve. He’s a Giovinazzi 2.0 in my eyes and it’s likely that he’ll be dropped from the FDA anyway. Also, the fact that he’s a nice guy definitely sways fans to look more favourably upon his results
Honestly I think Mick has more potential than Magnussen. Sure he’s had more crashes, but when he’s at his best he’s giving even Verstappen and Hamilton a run for their money. Meanwhile Magnussen is more consistent in keeping the car on track, but when he gets a chance to excel he always ends up driving off the track or collecting another meatball flag. And towards the end of the season Mick has been ahead of him (when HAAS’ strategy isn’t screwing with him.) I think Mick deserves one more chance to prove himself.
Since Haas are back runners. They require two important factors from their next driver. 1) A driver that can develop a slow car into a better car on a limited budget and team resources. Driver experience is a factor to this but what is not openly discussed is their technical knowledge to work in partnerships with the engineers to achieve the results. 2) As a back runner team ever point mean more money in the pot for next year. On a limited budget compared to the other time, you could argue that a driver that can always get the last points or two every race over the season would make a world of difference to the team. Hulk has the better CV on both these two points compared to the other mention in the video. But if your really going to bring back an ex race driver... why not approach Kimi on a 1/2 year deal as Kimi is know for his work ethic and ability to develop the car. According to past comments many engineers have mentioned Kimi feedback is very detailed. Plus he would actually push Kevin to driver faster which is also good for the team. Also I think a Kevin Kimi line up personality wise would work, where a Kevin, Hulk will end up with the issue they had before with team mate. Kimi would also not mind bowing out at the end of the contract in a professional way meaning they could work with him 100% all the way up to the last day. He loyal and his name alone would bring sponsorship opportunities to the team that Hulk can not. Just my opinion. But I my eyes why not approach Kimi and ask the question. It may most likely be a No but even if he was just a driver technical consultant or something like that it would give them more of a edge than they currently had right now.
Idk if you mention there recent bad strategy calls one of big examples is: Dutch and Japanese Grand Prix. I’m talking about in the 2nd half of the season
People often talk about "oh~ had X driver had better machinery" "oh~ if X driver was in a better team" But sadly, it's the driver's mistake if he puts himself in a team that is: ①Not good at nurturing drivers ②Down the grid in terms of performance F1 is all about the full package - ・being quick ・timing your entry into the sport/team changes right ・maintaining relationships with driver academies, engine suppliers, commercial partners. Look at the Schumachers - Michael did everything well, Ralph had the speed but not everything else. In that sense, Mick has less of everything. Everybody was saying going to Haas at that timing was a risk - and the risk hasn't paid off. It's tough since his dad's had an accident, but Mick's lack of a mentor, guidance, connections at a time most important in his development as a driver has hampered his career I feel.
It seems his problem at Haas isn’t that he’s a mediocre driver, but rather that he’s an asshole. He’s not well liked by the good-natured but blunt Gunther Steiner, or anyone else at Haas apparently. If he was any better than “solid midfield driver” (at best), it might be something that can be overlooked. But he’s not, say, a George Russell (a brilliant driver who had to put in a few years at the back of the pack). And he doesn’t have a ton of money to keep him on as a pay driver, like GOATifi. And likability matters. Everyone likes Kevin Magnussen. He’s always smiling, always friendly, and just seems like someone who’d be a pleasure to work with.
Simple answer: Yes, absolutely. When drivers like Tsunoda get a third chance in F1, even though Tsunoda has developed very little from Bahrain 2021 to this year, then Schumacher, who has developed into a driver who can drive on the same pace as Magnussen, then I don't see why Mick should be replaced.
Would be an absolute joke if he doesn't get a chance for a 3rd year. Haas has been absolutely uncompetitive last season, so with this year being the first time they can actually somewhat compete in the lower midfield, ditching a young driver after these 2 seasons is unfair.
I genuinely feel like Mick deserves another chance, just not right now. I think he really needs to take a year out, work with a team behind the scenes, do more sim training, and then come back to it with more experience.
I often think that a lot of these drivers get their F1 chance too soon. It might be a good move for him. It will be interesting to see how Nyck gets on as he is older.
IDK how it could've happened, but Mick would've been much better off going to Alfa for 2021. Kimi would've been a great teacher for him, and we've seen through Charles development in 2018 that Alfa (sauber in 2018) is MUCH better than Haas for developing young drivers
I think Mick deserves one more season, primarily because his first season was a complete write-off from Haas to focus on 2022 and Mick hasn't been *that* bad. He also benefits from there being just one alternative that is undoubtedly a better choice, that being Ricciardo. That being said, he seriously needs to start showing some reliability & consistency, as Haas simply can't afford to keep a driver that crashes as often as Mick has.
Honestly I think its quite literally only between Hulk and Mick, since Haas' sponsor 1&1 demanded a german driver when they negotiated. Ofc dont know if that still on their contract, but may still play a part in this.
Quality Video again, hoping that Mick gets a seat, and I do think his name is now more pressure for him than anything else, because in Germany the Media has full focus on him, and is criticizing him as Italian media does with Ferrari. And Giovanazzi doesn't make sense to me, he wouldn't be an improvement over Mick, at least not a big one, and already had shown his sealing, whereas with Mick there is still the feeling, that he is not at his full potential.
I guess the issue is the shunts... not so much for how much they cost but what they mean in conjunction with his pace. All things being equal the closer you are to your personal limits the more accidents you have. That suggests the speed Mick has shown is all he's got and it's not that impressive. Now it takes more than just raw speed to be a successful driver but not being right up there is a handicap that it seems Mick isn't going to overcome by getting closer to the limits. Not to say he doesn't deserve his place in F1 but I suspect he's never going to be at the front. PS For a budget constrained team like Hass of course a fast and reliable driver would be ideal (Kevin most of the time) but if you can't have that reliable is better than fast and Mick doesn't have enough of that either - I guess that's why Hulk is on their radar even though he must be pretty rusty by now. Hulk is an enigma, with all the talent he obviously has one wonders why he hasn't been more successful (I suspect his size has been a bigger than appreciated handicap) but he's a reliable points scorer who doesn't wreck cars.
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What about the Williams - Ralf connection? Do old drivers arrive to have some influence? What about the Mercedes option? After Nyck did such a great job, I guess Mick could learn one or two things there too...
I think mick does deserve a future in F1, but he'll need to continue to prove himself and stop shunting so much, he's shown great pace recently but he just cannot afford another shunt, if he has another shunt this season that is his own fault he doesn't deserve a future. I think we can compare mick to zhou, the alfa and haas pace has been relatively similar especially during the first half, where they eventually both dropped off really hard. They are in very similar situations such as the team environment (kmag and bottas being their teammates), 'rookie' driver, shitty team strategies, etc. Although zhou is clearly way more unlucky than mick, mick and zhou are, in my opinion, very similar. Good pace and fighting against their veteran teammates, still makes some rookie mistakes, sometimes shows a massive spark in talent, etc.
One thing that has made me a bit sad about Mick’s career is the fact Michael hasn’t been there to really mentor him. Sure he has Seb, but I doubt Seb is there for Mick in that sense. Max has his father for motivation as well as Hamilton. I just wonder what kind of advice/motivation Michael would be giving Mick and where he’d be at. It’s only “Ifs” and “buts” I suppose.
I hope the teams see Micks potential he has (you dont dominate F3 and win F2 without insane talent) as a risk worth taking rather than going for someone like Hulk who will always be a decent driver, but probably isnt going to become anyone special or produce special moments in the future. Also the 1und1 sponsorship money from Mick cant be that baaaad
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Haas has announced a press conference on Thursday Oct 20. That would be the perfect time to announce an American team has signed an American driver
True... very true. but Latifi shouldn't have been there in the first place
Tell me what it is first.
This reminds me of an interview Lewis had saying if he ever had a son, he would not want them to go into F1 due to the pressure of his last name. Mick is an amazing guy, but I can’t fathom the amount of pressure he’s under.
I think it only affects how people treat him. I don't think it impacts him or his performance. I've heard him talk about his dad and the Schumacher name quite a bit and it really doesn't seem to affect him.
Partly why he ran in karts under his mums surname I guess.
knowing how competitive lewis is , i just think thisd make his kid want to break his dads record even more
Is he really? I mean, more often than not I see people making excuses for him because everyone wants a Schumacher in F1 (ideally in Ferrari). Sorry, but in my view people tend to cut him some slack because of his heritage.
while I agree that having a name like Schumi puts you under pressure, I think that pressure has dissipated after seeing Mick drive for two years, no one is expecting Mick to win a race in his career anymore, let alone a championship.
I think a massive point has to be made about terrible strategy calls from haas which screwed up his Monza, Suzuka, Zandvoort and arguably Marina Bay and the dominant race head to heads. I have also noticed that if you take away Kevin's (amazing) P5 in Bahrain where Mick was not prepared to be in a points winning car, the pair would be level on points, Mick being ahead because of a P6 finish. I know it's weird to be thinking about the hypotheticals but the fact that the pair are so close in reality is not acknowledged enough.
Mick was also hit by Ocon in Bahrain, and spun as a result
You raise good points for sure
Nice details you got there bro
And Kevin was ready for a points winning car after being called in like a week earlier?
@@Sniperecholiv23 Kevin is way more expirienced that Mick
I want him to stay. If latifi can get 3 years in the sport, so should mick.
One brings alot more money than the other though.
latifi has had more scoring finish than mick and he never had a car as
good
as this year haas just saying
Latifi doesnt get 1 million in damage every other weekend
@@ricardodiaz8612 When did latifi had a more scoring finish?
@@ricardodiaz8612 this years haas is quite shit
Mick had a donkey of a car last year and the cars are so different now, so you can write off last year. This year he started slow. But he's got better as the year has gone on and he's of comparable pace to Kevin now. He's proven to be a driver that improves every year throughout his career.
He's had some accidents, but he's essentially a rookie. Carlos had a patch of crashes this year. Grosjean used to crash a fair bit and HAAS kept him for years. Mick definitely deserves to be on the grid next year.
Exactly
Not to mention that Mick's 3 big crashes this year were 2 from aquaplaning in the wet, and the other was on one of the most difficult and unforgiving tracks of the calendar. Compared to some other drivers (Tsunoda, Stroll, Latifi, even Sainz) who frequently binned it for no reason, he doesn't look as bad mistake-wise, it just happens that they were 3 of the biggest crashes of the year in terms of impact and damage.
@@KevinReillySV 2022 still is Haas like a donkey.
Keep searching for excuses lmao
@@acogsupercute No one is saying he is the next champion, but you don't have to the best driver on the grid to deserve your seat. So chill out and stop hating.
I think he does, given his performances since Canada. He is unlucky that his upturn in performance has coincided with a downturn in car development, but he has shown that he has the speed to be a midfield driver. KMag is a proven driver and a solid midfielder, so I think beating KMag in the second half has shown that Mick deserves it on merit and not just on the basis of his last name.
Yeah I'd agree, both the Haas & Alfa were stronger relative to the field at the start of the season.
Fingers crossed it's just because they're holding off all their juice til 2023
If it is between him and GIO or any current F2 driver then he definetelly deserves it.
Between him and hulk is a bit harder to tell depending on what plans Haas has as a (god damn i nearly had a stroke) team. If they want to go back to their early days of battling for 4th hulk is the way to go for now. If they want to develop slowly to fight for 4th in a few years then mick is the way to go
Hulkenberg has had more chances in F1 than any driver this century. Mick over Hulk any day of the week...and Mick isn't one of my favorites.
The payoff with sticking with Mick COULD be great, if he develops. With Hulk, you're getting a known entity.
@@mikemelina7395 and hulk hates kevin. So alphine and haas pull a nico rosberg
Gio is so underrated in gasly ms second year in gp2 and gios first he fonshed 7pts behind him if I’m correct so therefore he has to be angle to do what gasly does heel us very fast but Alfa had horrific strategies looking at the London race in formula e I don’t know how he dragged that tractor into second he had a lot of engine faliours and worst car on the grid by far he deserves to be in f1 full stop
Giovanazzi deserves a seat. Zhou doesn't. Mick schumacher to Williams would be good.
Schumacher got into q2 last year in Turkey in that brick of a car but no one praises him for that
Was that because he crashed and stopped anyone setting a lap like in France?
@@Phill1203 Nope, it was a rainy qualifying and he finished Q1 in P14
3 or 4 times this year Haas stragtist has screwed over Mick. The lastest example being Japan. However before he got screwed, he was in points. So multiple times this year he's shown that he has the stuff needed to score points. So yes, he deserves to be in Formula 1. Also that defense against Hamilton was absolute masterclass. It's like he almost knew ever move Lewis was going to do before he did
The Japan strategy call was risky but if there had been a safety car it would be a whole other story, and he could’ve gotten a podium. Hindsight’s 20/20
Thats was some straight up mofackun facts
Canada, Zandvoort, Monza, Miami, Japan.
4/5 of them were not his fault.
3/5 were the teams fault
I mean where did he show the consistency? At the end Stroll gets hate for being in bec of his name but he still out qualified a hole grid or had really good teammate at a way younger age. He isnt bad but at the moment the grid is full of talente and mick especially at hid age isnt good enough.
Not to mention Seb as his godfather had to go force Haas to get him a proper personal moulded seat because they weren’t going to get him one…they haven’t invested anything in him that wasn’t bare minimum
I really really like Mick, and i know that plays a huge factor in how I view this situation.
I feel like he deserves one more chance, preferably in better machinery. Thst said, his results so far speak for themselves, and he simply hasn’t performed as well as expected. Part of that is the weight and heritage associated with his name.
the fact he deserves another chance at all is very arguable so he definitely does not deserve a chance in a better car. that's a bit ridiculous to hear for me
@@formularguments7335 he does deserve a second chance, because the alternatives are Gio and Hulk, who both have had a lot more chances than him and didn't do much better in the case of Gio.
@@Tooms100 hulk is for sure better than Mick. the only arguement people have for hulk not being good enough is that he has no podiums. but he is definitely capable of podiums but just bottled the few attempts he had. he matched checo at force India who is now at redbull. he wasn't far off the almighty Daniel Ricciardo (who retired after 2020) at Renault. I would definitely rather Mick than gio tho that's for sure. but it isn't just those drivers who should be mentioned. there are so many drivers in Motorsport who could have the potential to be great in f1 too.
He hasn’t performed as well as expected? I‘ve watched his Jr. and he is performing as expected in my opinion. He was always a late bloomer, starting to get a hang of the game in the end of his first season and perform really well in his second. And I would completely disregard his first season as a trial. Like you can’t learn the ropes in a car that terrible. So this season is his true net first season and would you look at that, he started to perform well in the second half of the season (minus being screwed by his team on multiple occasions). I say we really need to see his next season, because that’s his net second and we know from him, that’s when he starts to perform
The thing is he has actually "outperformed" Kmag, the thing is Kmag performed well straight away and Mick didnt, and the car was competitive where as it slowly slipped away so when Mick actually started beating Kmag the car wasnt fast enough for points either way
Mick is finally starting to find his pace. Kmag is the teammate he always needed, super fast and experienced, but he's young, so they can get along well
Most of the grid hate KMag, so why should Mick get along better?
The pressure on him must be insane. He's Michael's son, Ralf's nephew (yes I do rate him, he is a proven race winner and on his day a DAMN quick driver). He's had success in the junior categories, the Ferrari connection etc. It must be quite a lot to manage on some days at least
People think he doesn't deserve another chance in the sport because they expect him to be like Michael. He clearly wasn't/isn't/won't be like him but he's at least worthy of another season considering the drivers we've seen lately in F1. If he improves, he can stay (although I feel his talent can get him at most a midfield seat). If he doesn't he leaves, but with the certainty that he tried
He is only in F1 in the first place because he is a Schumacher...
@@eibobaomedaumchicletao no he is in it bec he won f3 and f2 lol out of the younger drivers on the grid based on previous performances he deserves to be in f1
@Heldenfan23 no he is in f1 because of his last name.
4:32 percentages give a better idea for these comparisons. As 2 tenths around Austria is a lot different to 2 tenths around spa
the stand outs cancel each other out tho
I kinda feel like most people who slander Mick, are doing so because of his last name. We've gotten used to have a "this pilot doesn't deserve to be here" that I think people just gave that tag to him. But he actually won F2, he actually earned his seat. And yes, maybe his name opened up some doors for him, but at the end of the day he still has to drive.
I don't know, I just feel like, for example, Yuki had plenty of shunts and he hasn't been consistent (at least not lately) and yet he has recieved lots of support. Mick might not be the second coming of Michael, but he's not the horrid driver some people talk about, and most of his bad results, at least lately, have been due to either bad strategies, bad luck or simply mechanical issues.
Agreed! Mick also won F3. And in yuki's case, Franz Tost is a supportive TP, who said a rookie needs 3 years to settle in. Whereas GS just goes around badmouthing him every chance he gets, and not even praise him when he actually did a good job.
cope, that's what you hope but they have good reson to hate
I don't think it's completely slander. Teams have really got to look at the cost cap now, and shunts that destroy a car really hurt a team, especially one that is not a top 5. They're literally having to decide do we fire more staff or keep this one guy. I don't think Mick is awful by any stretch. He has had moments of brilliance and has gone wheel to wheel with the big boys, but are those moments enough for HAAS and can they keep taking the risk on him? We'll see.
Yuki? Most people think yuki isnt good enough BUT we all know they dont have somebody ready and dont need some old driver bec there goal isnt the best possible performance is having somebody for the future ready for RB.
Mick worked hard and he doesn’t deserve to be slagged off this way. :(
Not only the way he is treated like s**t although being clearly the better driver for many races now, also the fact that he doesn’t know anything about his future is reprehensible. Hoping the best for Mick, no matter if staying at F1 or driving another series
it seems like Guenther doesnt like Mick but Kevin and Micks mechanics have always been nice to him for example when Kevin hugged Mick when Mick got his first points in F1
I want Mick to stay, he is showing clear signs of improvement.
I do think some of his costly shunts might make him less appealing to a team struggling financially.
He has outdone KMag in the race multiple times, even when Haas are giving him 10 year long pitstops.
He absolutely deserves a chance to still be in F1.
So what… it’s qualifying and points that matters
@@danevirke and Mick out qualified Kevin Mag on multiple occasions. Points though is a different story sadly…
@@enigmatic13465 no.... k-mag is in front 13 too 5 in quali and points yes. what too expect. k-mag is just a fare better driver
@@danevirke No one cares about quali, just look at Leclerc earlier in the season. Also it's like people forget that race results are influenced by much mroe than driving skills. Or they are too dumb to realize that.
@@iliketoast-q9b no quali and race finish is what matter. That is not even a question
I really don't feel Mick has been given a proper chance yet. Yes he's a bit crash prone, but look has his amazing defense skills. If he were in a better-off team--like Tsunoda in AT for example--the crashes would have been water under the bridge for a budding F1 driver--as it has been for Tsunoda. I think Mick has shown really solid pace and racecraft. He's just expected to make miracles in a shit box against a much more experienced and quite quick teammate
And yes you hit on a great point: Mick _is_ improving. That's massive! We already know Mick takes some time to warm up in a series. I think he needs at least one more year to show that he's a capable driver.
I'll be quite disappointed if Hulkenberg takes his spot tbh. He's had several years out of F1 at this point, and he kinda had his chance in the sun the way I see it. I don't think Haas will get who they think they're getting with Hulkenberg, unless their only goal is to have a driver who won't crash.
Perfect analysis, 100% agree with you, the only problem with Mick and Haas is that the team is in a difficult spot moneywise and he crash a little bit too much, the Tsunoda example fits perfectly as Alpha Tauri is obviously in a different economic situation than Haas
Remember "Crashtappen"? Great drivers often have some mistakes in their rookie season. You're looking for proof of speed, an arc of improvement, and if you're lucky, some leadership. Given what a mess Haas is and Mick is still showing promise, yeah he deserves a seat.
2 years in F1 = no chance yet. Nice logic 👍🏻
@@eibobaomedaumchicletao his first season wasn't driving in f1, It was more like driving a tractor on f1 circuit, he can't even compete with the bottom of the grid because of that shitbox of a car. For this year he clearly has shown that he can be a midfield driver imo, the only issue is the one i said earlier.
@@tmasoo people seem to forget this simple fact, i dont even think last year's haas would have made the 107% rule, u seriously can't count that as a rookie season. Even just watching onboards of maz and mick last year shows that car was a brick on wheels with a wooden plank for a front wing and arguably had the worst engine on the grid at the time to add to the misery. it just looked like an absolute pig to drive. so when looking at 2022 as a standalone entity, based on his progression relative to kmag he damn well deserves another year for sure.
F1 as a whole will be missing out if we never get Mick on a podium or winning a race or a title for just how emotional that would be. The idea of him leaving now is just sad
Honestly, i don't see why he shouldn't continue. He has improved a lot and give him a better team, he'll bring home results.
I think Mick deserves at least one more full year in F1.
Also you made a statement that made me laugh loud enough while I was listening at work that made my co-workers look at me. F1 is not a Drama….. one of the best jokes I’ve heard about f1 in a long time.
I think mick as been doing sound during the second half of a year considering haas hasn’t scored a point since Austria he’s been equal/out performing Magnussen so he deserves time and a car to show his full pot
Who scored points for the team more
@@fazzzykahn6516 not the fucking point my guy.
he looses in points, qualifying, pace, damage costs, (attacking and defending) there's no debate here no matter what crucial parts of racing you're gonna ignore😂
Personally I feel Mick is still in that rookie period. However shown much improvement to only be screwed by poor strategy & George taking him out. But when we are having conversations like this when have the likes of Yuki who hasn't scored since round 6 in better a better car and loves a good crash too. It just boggles my mind that Haas are even thinking of going with a either hulk who holds the record for the most starts without a podium and finished last in Bahrain this year or giovinazzi who wasn't great. Mick is young, we don't need to keep bringing back the old guys when it's difficult as it is to get into the sport. Like the media have said I don't feel dropping mick and putting someone else in that car will do anything for them. So just leave the poor kid alone.
Short answer: YES!! True to his style in his junior career, he is a late bloomer who does better in his 2nd year. He's been steadily improving as the season progresses and I believe he's been outperforming kmag for a while. Quali not his strength but other than that, he's doing a good job.
However, we all know Haas is treating him poorly, especially Guenther. He needs a more positive environment.
I used to like Gunther. Not anymore.
The thing with the Williams car is that it CAN be a competitive car at times (Monza, Spa, Japan, Australia). That spotty competitiveness combined with Logan's knack for not getting into trouble could give Williams way more chances at points than what Latifi has given them, or what I think Mick could possibly give them.
Ok what about Canada where Mick could have been p8 when his engine blew up? Or the bad pit in the Dutch gp. Or the time that Vettel crashed into Mick ? Or Suzuka? These "spotty" times that you easily claim that Logan will get points Mick only didn't get them cuz purely because of things that he did not have control over.
@@Rukh_3547 Obviously if Mick had no control over those situations I'm not going to diminish him for it. I'm also saying that I think Logan COULD do better, mostly because he has shown better consistency (when there's no incidents out of the control of the driver) than Mick in my opinion. Will that consistency carry over into F1? Who knows
The haaland bit was amazing ahaha
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Mick is basically having a second rookie year. Last year he had an absolute dog of a car and a non-existent team mate. This year he has a completely different spec of car...that is still a bit of a dog. Add to that the pressure being put on him by NOT having his future known and he's done pretty damn well
I feel like it's also important and fair to look at the mistakes from haas. their strategy and it stops have many times taken mick out of the points. zandvoort mick was comfortably in p7 and haas did a 12 second pit stop that sent him back to p17. in Suzuka he was in the points and even in the top 3 (I know it was just a brief seconds) but haas strategy to pit kmag who was way behind before mick was comical and shows that the team isn't serious when it comes to scoring points. they're the only team to not have scored points after the summer break. you see Williams improving with straight line speed and Aston Martin outscoring Mercedes 2 weekends in a row but haas is the only team truly going backwards and somehow this comes off as mick's lack of skill. personally I find that unfair. I know mick is no senna or hamilton but he deserves a chance. george Russell was given 3 season to grow in Williams and now he's performing super well. I feel like the environment at haas isn't healthy for mick
To this day, Haas's strategy in Japan made no sense.
You want Mick to perform well, and more, but you put him on the gamble strategy that basically guarantees his race being over if it doesnt pay off? And you put the other car, who isnt in the points, on the standard strategy?
It doesnt take a genius to realize that if you want to gamble, do it on the car that is in the worss off position.
The audacity of Haas to question whether he’s good enough for them after how many times they’ve ruined his race this year…
GO HAAS! do it throw him out
Haas just using him as a scapegoat for their crappy cars and crappy strategies.
Bruh, he keeps crashing in the cost cap era
Crashed the car three times but go on 😂
@@Oscar42o got jobbed out of points in Bahrain Spain Canada Zandvoort and Japan by Haas but go on
Mick could be a good pickup for a team like Williams.
He might end up being like his uncle Ralf. A solid midfield or second driver for a good team in a few years.
Sargeant needs another year (or win F2) to get into F1.
Mick should get a year with Williams to see what he can do. If he can improve and fix his issues (crashes), he might be more appealing in next year’s market.
he definitely deserves a seat over Hulkenberg and Giovanazzi
Definitely over Gio
@@OumuamuaOumuamua Also Hulk. Hulk was pretty mediocre in his final years. And he is way older. As shown, experience wont carry a team thats idiotic in its decisions.
@@jimmy5516 hulk was not mediocre at all in his final years. the only thing against Hulk is that he wasn't able to achieve a podium. he was capable of it tho but he just unfortunately bottled the very few attempts of one that he had. he was on the same level as checo at force India who is at redbull now. he wasn't far away from Ricciardo in 2019
Gio can't even perform in Formula E lmao
@windfall he was never in a car that was capable of podiums on merit in 180 races. haas aren't even a team that are capable of podiums on the most chaotic of days anyway so it's kind of irrelevant even to say. hulk is very fast and consistent and that's what matters
He's made massive progress, is up against a top tier talent, and is only in his second year. If Yuki is getting more time, I think Mick deserves more time too.
If it's possible for him, I think he really should go to Williams. It's true that he might get a shot towards points even less but at least I feel like Williams has better strategy than Haas and makes it count when it's crucial and can help in Mick's development. Also I get that Mick crashed a few times but this second half of the season all Haas has been doing is sabotaging Mick's race and most of the time I don't quite understand why? He gets a good start, sits comfortably in points and after a while because of some stupid strategy call he ends up finishing last
I think it's fair to say over the internet, Zhou seems to be having a better season than Mic, even though the championship points are saying otherwise. I think it's down to the start of the season. Zhou had a fantastic debut race, that big save in Monaco, started to out-qualify Bottas and then the fastest lap in the rain. Whereas Mick had the big shunt, another big shunt, it's almost impossible to recover when you dug such a big hole in the beginning of the season. And once the impression is settled, not just for us fans, also the Haas management team, you tend to start seeing other kinks that you wouldn't otherwise.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised with how solid Zhou has been especially considering his luck. He's tied for most DNF by a driver this year, but literally not a single DNF can be argued as his fault. His DNFs were mech failure, mech failure, mech failure, insane pileup at start of silverstone where George flipped him upside down, and got Latified last race. Meanwhile MIck only has 3 DNFs, but 2 of those were shunts only involving himself. Despite this, Zhou has more points finishes. Zhou has improved a lot of over the course of the season and is now qualifying on par with Bottas. It's just a shame that Alfa's pace has fallen of a cliff over the same course of time. If the Alfa car was still competitive like it was earlier in the season, it's pretty clear he would be scoring some impressive points right now.
Mick does have some serious skills, he deserves more years than latifi based on name alone but he’s far better than many other drivers that had longer f1 stints
many people treat his first year at Haas as though he didn't drive at all, because the car drove like a boat on land. I think it could be even worse than that, he very well could have learned bad habbits / a driving style that doesn't work with a quick F1 car and is now at a disadvantage, because he had to unlearn those first.
You raise the point for Giovanazi that it's not a good look to outqualify your teammate and then to finish behind them. But that's been happening quite a bit between Kmag and Mick, in Mick's favour 👀
I think he is essentially on almost equal race pace with Kevin, and he makes fewer stupid mistakes in first lap incidents. Based on who might be replacing him if he is kicked out, Gio or Hulk in my opinion it's a no brainer to keep Mick for another season.
It's a performance based sport. Everyone knows that.
It's difficult to evaluate Mick since the Haas is a underperforming car but the general consensus is that he needs to do better.
We already saw some sights of race craft but he needs more.
it doesn't matter too much about the cars overall performance it's about how he stacks up against his teammate. that's how you compare drivers in this sport. if Mick was finishing in the points regularly but was being beaten the same by his teammate it would be equally as bad. ofc even against a driver in the same car there is so many variables such as which drivers driving style is best for the car they are driving etc etc
You can't really judge his performance when Haas fucks up every time he performs well. Haas' strategy and pit stops are awful and they just throw away any chance at points every race.
I think the biggest issue for mick is that haas obviously wants him to push. As a young driver he does as well. But if he makes a mistake he’s on the chopping block. Ironic. I was hoping he would hopping he would be able to go alpha touri. I wish the best for him. I think it’s a crazy decision to consider dropping him for someone like hulk or AG. Nothing against them. I just think at this point mick has a higher potential then those two. I think he just needs a little guidance and leadership plus some room to grow in the car without fear of being chopped. Anywho. Just one man’s thoughts at the moment and subject to change with new info.
I think this just proves Haas is not a good place for a young driver to be. They want drivers with experience that can outperform the team's limitations
I feel the same. Like we bring in Gio or Hulk, we know what we're getting. There's probably not going to be much improvement from either of them.
Mick, meanwhile, is still improving, and quite rapidly, if we're using K Mag's qualifying as a benchmark
I think Mick is way more important to Haas than Steiner is willing to admit. 1&1 (german company) is currently their only serious sponsor and they can´t afford to lose them. I think Mick is pretty much the only reason they are sponsoring the team (in germany they are more in the publicity because of it). If they don´t want to repeat 2021 due to a lack of money they should be interested in keeping him. Of course there are allways new sponsors available, but Haas should know it´s not that easy to put trust in a new one.
1&1 is Kevin’s personal sponsor dummy
@@jadynhasstupid2275 Other guy is correct, dummy. Mick is only reason why Haas has big sponsors like 1&1.
AFAIK Kmag doesnt have any personal sponsors this season. He used to be sponsored by Jack&Jones, but they dropped him when he left F1.
@@s1bulka he does, Lunar and some sort of cloud service
@@benfan6061 I stand corrected. He does bring Lunar.
I assume by cloud service, you mean IONOS. Its owned by 1&1, so another Micks sponsor.
@@s1bulka haha did you read the name? I got jack and jones confused with 1&1
One point you didn't mention were Haas' strat and pit stop errors in Barcelona, Suzuka and Zandvoort along with bad luck in Montreal (reliability) and Monza (Safety Car), which cost Mick multiple potential points finishes - Monza being the most unrealistic of the 5 in my mind. And then there was George Russel leaving him enough space in Singapore...
I believe that had he been able to score points in some of these races, we would not even be having this discussion right now.
As you showed, there's been steady progression in his pace and consistency - the lead race engineer for Haas attested to that as well - which, for me, makes him deserving of at least another year at Haas.
If I had to pick a replacement: Hulk over Gio, absolute no brainer in my mind.
Small correction for your Office reference; only Jim, not Jim and Stanley, were doing the meatball prank on Dwight, and as it turned out Dwight and Stanley were actually working together to get Jim to continue with the prank because he was getting them free meatballs
Yeah, one of the best turntables of the show.
Yes . And not because he has Schumacher in his name. But because the season started with him always lagging behind the faster kmag. But now we are seeing mick most of the time outperforming kmag , a clear improvement in front of our eyes
He deserves a 3rd year. Right now it’s Haas letting Schumacher down more than vice versa and Schumacher is better as a driver than Haas is as a team or Steiner is as a team principal. Magnussen is faster but he just throws away chances at points by fighting top teams on lap 1 and breaking a wing. If I were him I’d be trying to get to Williams
Also, if Michael was still up and about, Mick would’ve gone straight to Alfa Romeo and if he was there he’d be a proper decent driver by now. Michael would not stand for how Steiner leads
Lmao crashed the car three times but HAAS is the one letting mick down 😂😂😂
Three big crashes in a season.
Me driving F1 My Team: those are rookie numbers
I used to think that mick didnt deserve to be in f1 but he really turned it up these past few races. Im sure if you put him in a good car he can absolutely perform.
His improvement this season should give him another season imo
I don't see Gio being an upgrade over Schumacher now that he got used to the new cars.
I would keep Schumacher for another year and then see to get someone like Herta a super license in 2023, and if it doesn't work out with Schumacher next year get him in for 2024.
i dont think that mick should keep that seat, there are young drivers with a lot of talent and potential.
This year, on race performance, Mick is 10-7 on sundays; both drivers having the same amount of DNF's.
I haven't heard literally anyone mention it but I think Mick should consider the Mercedes reserve role, he should have some ties because of Michael, and there are no Mercedes Junior drivers that could take that role right now really
K-Mag and his end plates - funny Mick hasn't had the same problem. K-Mag is responsible for the contact and takes him out of the points. Mick has been scoring more points then K-Mag recently (the team really messed him up in the Dutch GP) and then the whole Singapore issue when he wasn't at fault at all, Russell just messed up. So yeah, Schumacher has a more upside the K-Mag.
I would argue the Saudi Arabia crash shouldn’t count against him. Plenty of drivers voiced concern over that curb. Mick just got the shit end of the stick on it.
I'd give Mick at least another year at Haas, maybe gamble on two years if I was Gunther Steiner.
This year's car totally different design, better car able to fight others, solid teammate and as stated in the video recent pace to KMag has improved a lot.
The crash damage, he's pushing the car hard to out drive it, he's trying, he's just not got as much experience to find the limit, push it a bit over and keep control.
Max was like that the first two years in Redbull, look at him now.
Mick is doing just fine.
Bullshit mick isn't 17 year old kid
@@fazzzykahn6516 so he's not 17, who cares, it's about time in the seat and experience. Max was 19 when he was still crashing and two years behind the wheel.
As long as they are physically up to the conditions of driving, age doesn't come into it, experience does.
@@milkshakemuncher dum dum being 17 means he wasn't driving in other formula series before he came to f1...while meek mick used two years to win f2
@@fazzzykahn6516 not dumb at all, he was crashing due to putting an F1 car on its limit and keeping it there, F3 and F2 junior categories just give you experience of understanding a race weekend, practice, car setup, getting a quali lap done etc.
So Max avoided that, for any driver stepping into F1, the cars are a whole new beast, much trickier to get on the limit and holding it there.
Doing junior categories may give one a very slight advantage over a driver who has skipped some, but getting an F1 car on edge and maximising its performance is a new and steep learning curve for every new driver, no matter their background.
Look at Tsunoda, he raced the juniors, he still has had his share of crashes.
Point is, Mick has started to improve, the tide is turning and he's worth the gamble.
@@fazzzykahn6516 Max literally drove in Formula Renault and F3...
And he's been karting since he was 3 years old.
Max is literally the definition of being drilled with thousands of hours of experience.
I feel bad for the way Mick's F1 career has went. He shows some decent potential, not as much as his father, but a decent driver that could have a long career in the midfield, or as a second at a top team. I really think the issue with him is that he started at Haas. I love Haas as a team, and if it was the Haas of old it would be a different story, but Mick got screwed by joining them for his rookie season in their worst year. If he had been put at a competent and experienced team like Alfa Romeo, he would've done much better. Look at how well Zhou has done with a decent car and teammate from a top team.
I get that Mick was slow to learn in the starter leagues, but I can't understand why Ferrari would place him at Haas and not Alfa like they did with Charles. Antonio should've been sent to Haas as the Ferrari seat and allowed a place for Mick on Alfa. Imagine what he could've done learning from Kimi his rookie season.
He has been doing better than kmag, if anything he should leave haas and away from Gunther and go to Williams instead
Obviously he does. The amount of times Haas screwed him over of points position… However, I just don’t know if Haas is the right team for him. AM or Alpine would’ve been great. I’d even advise him to go to Williams rather than Haas
I don’t think K-Mag and Hulk have beef. If I remember correctly, K-Mag said in an interview that the first time they met this year during the Bahrain GP. Hulk said “Suck my balls” jokingly
Thank you for including me as the mystery UA-camr today! Really appreciate it :)
You should use the ratio from actual times instead of just raw difference, as the percent of lap time is what you need. Lao times vary a good bit beteween circuits.
Tsunoda had a far more usable rookie season than Mick and he is behind him in standings. Plus, personality wise, Mick seems like a cool guy to work with while Yuki... I wanna slap the shit out of him whenever his radio comes on.
Mick's biggest problem are his shunts. Pace, results, everything is getting better. I have no idea what his Japan damage was, was it as big as two previous ones? He clearly tends to go over the limit at times, and street circuits take their toll on him.
One thing nobody mentions - he's really good in rain. In a rain-leveled playing field, he did really good in quali and races. He could have scored massive points in Japan if Haas hadn't fucked up the strategy. 2-3 more potential better points races were fucked up by strategy or car issues.
His battles with Max and Lewis mid season were also a clear indicator he is not a out of place in F1.
He started improving at a time when Haas started falling behind the rest of the grid. Put today's Mick in a start of season situation, he'd have more points and at least one big shunt less.
Another problem of his goes by the name of Foksmash Steiner. That guy's sole purpose in life seems to be getting as many DTS minutes as possible. He's no fit for bringing up a young driver. Period.
I hope Mick manages to grab the Williams seat for next season. They might have a shitty car, but they seem a lot better at managing their drivers. In terms of success, Russell was on par or maybe even worse than Mick (would like to see a H2H between their first two seasons), but Williams stuck with him, gave him time to develop and he's become a more than decent driver. If he won't be able to catch the Williams seat, I think he'd ve better off out of F1 than in Haas.
110% YES! He has a BIG future in the Sport!
One of the future stars for sure, given the right car :)
I hope you're right!
@@TommoMcCluskey Yup, according to German media, a new deal will be announced in Austin :) the Williams seat if Sargent dont get it, will probably go to Hulki, he is in the running there as well, by the looks of it :)
Absolutely on point video. Except 2 things: Mick is better that Slowvinazzi and Nico. Plus Nico doesn't get along with Kmag. Can you imagine the amount of meatball flags between those 2 shunting ?
The best option for Haas is give Mick 1 more year. Gio is garbage, Nico is getting old. I would much rather see Shawrztman, Porchaire, Lawson, any junior rather than those 2.
The best for Willians is ALSO to get Mick now with 1 year deal, keep Sargent in F2 so he can become even better and by the end of next season decide if they renew with Mick or promote Logan.
Thank you! I’ve been saying this is way more of a rookie season just because of how shit the haas car really was, on some days he genuinely has good pace this year. And he’s still settling it to the new car like the other drivers. Yeah he’s had his moments that have been dreadful, but I think they’ve clouded peoples view of how much he’s improved
The weird thing about Mick is that he has done better that MAG in races, but it dosen't feel like it since MAG scores big, but he should get another chance, either in HAAS or Williams for 1 or 2 seasons
Why would Hass go with Antonio over Mick. Makes zero sense. #KEEPMICK
yeah ik. also why would they go for either lol with the plethora of options they could have but I would much rather Mick than gio
Mick has potential, legendary surname, and tons of German sponsorship 💰. Gunther making himself look like a wanker more & more everyday not signing Mick.
Mick definitely deserves a seat has improved massively hope to see him racing in a a good car next year! ❤
Why are people criticizing Mick but no one looks at Gunther. His strategies are completely shit.
i think people expect him to be just as good as michael. but mick is so clear of kmag that kmag should get so much shit from the community when you see how much hate mick gets
deserves to stay, above Yuki in the WDC so if Yuki stays then Mick should as well
If Tsunoda can get another year despite all his incidents then so should Mick
but Tsunoda costed his team 2x front wing and front suspension this season, not almost $5mil and he is driving against Gasly, not someone like Magnussen.
You can hear it in Micks voice when he crashed in Japan. He was defeated. HAAS is already running on fumes when it comes to their budget.
Here's the way I see it. Mick is a solid driver and I do think Haas should resign him, not just because he's a solid driver, but also because of the Sponsor money he brings in from German companies. I think Günther and Haas are smart enough to know that getting rid of Mick can cause problems Money wise more than they already have. They are already on less of a budget than most teams so they can't really take that risk of losing more money. Sure some companies stick around, because of nationality and Nico Hülkenberg can fill that, however like you said: If they can't get Hulk on a multi-year contract than it's only going to be a matter of time until the Sponsors leave. If they get Nico on a multi-year deal than it will be all good, but if they don't than resigning Mick is the best option I believe, though Italian Jesus is also a good option. Then Factor in when Haas mucked up Mick's strategy in races he was doing well in, shunts that killed his race that weren't his fault (Bahrain, Ocon, Lap 1) and the fact that the pace defecit is shrinking between him and Kev and it all amounts to me seeing (with some German Bias addmitedly) that Mick deserves at least 1 or 2 more seasons to prove himself.
The shunts are results of small mistakes in bad locations. I think the issue for Haas has been Gunther and his relationship with the drivers, than the drivers itself.
i Hope Mick goes to Alpine... A solid mid field team... We'll see what he can do there...
Mick is overrated. He isn't worth Haas waiting for him to improve. If they want to seriously challenge the mid field they need someone like Hulkenberg
Your talking about someone being overrated but your mentioning hulkenberg.Ironic.Mick was screwed by the strategy many times.Hell even steiner mentioned it himself.And also to point out that mick finished more times in front of kevin
@@ikaika7439 Hulkenberg is better then Mick just saying
@@quintenvanderhoorn907In what way? Hulkenberg is washed.Even when he was in f1 he got beaten by perez many times while in same team.He coudnt peform but people really like to overrate him.No wonder he is now a reserve driver.Nobody wants him .
Agreeing that Mick is overrated, but Hülkenberg is in my opinion extremely overrated as well
@@adamwuilmart People like to overrate mick because of his surname.He is doing pretty good but people think that just because he is a shumacher he should win races not realizing that he is in one of the lower midfield teams and that today f1 also requires you to have a decently fast car.
From Haas’ point of view, the only reason to keep Mick is sponsorship due to his surname. If Mick shows any sort of pace potential he’ll get snapped up by a better team. But in the meantime he’s an expensive driver who’s delivering less than an average driver such as Magnussen. It would be harsh for Haas to drop Mick, but if you take emotion out of it and look at the facts, there’s no real point in keeping him. He’s never shown any pace that would nail him on as a future race winner or world champ like Hamilton, Verstappen and Leclerc did in their 1st & 2nd seasons. He’s not destined for the great things that everyone wanted him to achieve. He’s a Giovinazzi 2.0 in my eyes and it’s likely that he’ll be dropped from the FDA anyway. Also, the fact that he’s a nice guy definitely sways fans to look more favourably upon his results
Honestly I think Mick has more potential than Magnussen. Sure he’s had more crashes, but when he’s at his best he’s giving even Verstappen and Hamilton a run for their money.
Meanwhile Magnussen is more consistent in keeping the car on track, but when he gets a chance to excel he always ends up driving off the track or collecting another meatball flag. And towards the end of the season Mick has been ahead of him (when HAAS’ strategy isn’t screwing with him.) I think Mick deserves one more chance to prove himself.
Sure the first race of the season really proves your point…..
Since Haas are back runners. They require two important factors from their next driver.
1) A driver that can develop a slow car into a better car on a limited budget and team resources. Driver experience is a factor to this but what is not openly discussed is their technical knowledge to work in partnerships with the engineers to achieve the results.
2) As a back runner team ever point mean more money in the pot for next year. On a limited budget compared to the other time, you could argue that a driver that can always get the last points or two every race over the season would make a world of difference to the team.
Hulk has the better CV on both these two points compared to the other mention in the video.
But if your really going to bring back an ex race driver... why not approach Kimi on a 1/2 year deal as Kimi is know for his work ethic and ability to develop the car. According to past comments many engineers have mentioned Kimi feedback is very detailed. Plus he would actually push Kevin to driver faster which is also good for the team. Also I think a Kevin Kimi line up personality wise would work, where a Kevin, Hulk will end up with the issue they had before with team mate.
Kimi would also not mind bowing out at the end of the contract in a professional way meaning they could work with him 100% all the way up to the last day. He loyal and his name alone would bring sponsorship opportunities to the team that Hulk can not.
Just my opinion. But I my eyes why not approach Kimi and ask the question. It may most likely be a No but even if he was just a driver technical consultant or something like that it would give them more of a edge than they currently had right now.
Idk if you mention there recent bad strategy calls one of big examples is: Dutch and Japanese Grand Prix.
I’m talking about in the 2nd half of the season
People often talk about "oh~ had X driver had better machinery" "oh~ if X driver was in a better team"
But sadly, it's the driver's mistake if he puts himself in a team that is:
①Not good at nurturing drivers
②Down the grid in terms of performance
F1 is all about the full package -
・being quick
・timing your entry into the sport/team changes right
・maintaining relationships with driver academies, engine suppliers, commercial partners.
Look at the Schumachers - Michael did everything well, Ralph had the speed but not everything else. In that sense, Mick has less of everything. Everybody was saying going to Haas at that timing was a risk - and the risk hasn't paid off.
It's tough since his dad's had an accident, but Mick's lack of a mentor, guidance, connections at a time most important in his development as a driver has hampered his career I feel.
It seems his problem at Haas isn’t that he’s a mediocre driver, but rather that he’s an asshole. He’s not well liked by the good-natured but blunt Gunther Steiner, or anyone else at Haas apparently. If he was any better than “solid midfield driver” (at best), it might be something that can be overlooked. But he’s not, say, a George Russell (a brilliant driver who had to put in a few years at the back of the pack). And he doesn’t have a ton of money to keep him on as a pay driver, like GOATifi. And likability matters. Everyone likes Kevin Magnussen. He’s always smiling, always friendly, and just seems like someone who’d be a pleasure to work with.
Simple answer: Yes, absolutely. When drivers like Tsunoda get a third chance in F1, even though Tsunoda has developed very little from Bahrain 2021 to this year, then Schumacher, who has developed into a driver who can drive on the same pace as Magnussen, then I don't see why Mick should be replaced.
Would be an absolute joke if he doesn't get a chance for a 3rd year.
Haas has been absolutely uncompetitive last season, so with this year being the first time they can actually somewhat compete in the lower midfield, ditching a young driver after these 2 seasons is unfair.
I genuinely feel like Mick deserves another chance, just not right now. I think he really needs to take a year out, work with a team behind the scenes, do more sim training, and then come back to it with more experience.
I often think that a lot of these drivers get their F1 chance too soon. It might be a good move for him. It will be interesting to see how Nyck gets on as he is older.
IDK how it could've happened, but Mick would've been much better off going to Alfa for 2021. Kimi would've been a great teacher for him, and we've seen through Charles development in 2018 that Alfa (sauber in 2018) is MUCH better than Haas for developing young drivers
I think Mick deserves one more season, primarily because his first season was a complete write-off from Haas to focus on 2022 and Mick hasn't been *that* bad. He also benefits from there being just one alternative that is undoubtedly a better choice, that being Ricciardo. That being said, he seriously needs to start showing some reliability & consistency, as Haas simply can't afford to keep a driver that crashes as often as Mick has.
Honestly I think its quite literally only between Hulk and Mick, since Haas' sponsor 1&1 demanded a german driver when they negotiated. Ofc dont know if that still on their contract, but may still play a part in this.
Quality Video again, hoping that Mick gets a seat, and I do think his name is now more pressure for him than anything else, because in Germany the Media has full focus on him, and is criticizing him as Italian media does with Ferrari.
And Giovanazzi doesn't make sense to me, he wouldn't be an improvement over Mick, at least not a big one, and already had shown his sealing, whereas with Mick there is still the feeling, that he is not at his full potential.
Appreciate it Max, thank you!
I guess the issue is the shunts... not so much for how much they cost but what they mean in conjunction with his pace.
All things being equal the closer you are to your personal limits the more accidents you have. That suggests the speed Mick has shown is all he's got and it's not that impressive. Now it takes more than just raw speed to be a successful driver but not being right up there is a handicap that it seems Mick isn't going to overcome by getting closer to the limits. Not to say he doesn't deserve his place in F1 but I suspect he's never going to be at the front.
PS For a budget constrained team like Hass of course a fast and reliable driver would be ideal (Kevin most of the time) but if you can't have that reliable is better than fast and Mick doesn't have enough of that either - I guess that's why Hulk is on their radar even though he must be pretty rusty by now. Hulk is an enigma, with all the talent he obviously has one wonders why he hasn't been more successful (I suspect his size has been a bigger than appreciated handicap) but he's a reliable points scorer who doesn't wreck cars.
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Imo Mick has been doing better than Tsunoda
I think that he needs to settle in more, the cars are so different that he needs another year. We have seen multiple times that he improves a lot.
To be honest, i would give the williams seat to Verstappen. He has been really struggling this year at red bull but i do think he has the potential.
What about the Williams - Ralf connection? Do old drivers arrive to have some influence?
What about the Mercedes option? After Nyck did such a great job, I guess Mick could learn one or two things there too...
Would it be a good or bad descision to remove crashes from the budget cap?
I think mick does deserve a future in F1, but he'll need to continue to prove himself and stop shunting so much, he's shown great pace recently but he just cannot afford another shunt, if he has another shunt this season that is his own fault he doesn't deserve a future. I think we can compare mick to zhou, the alfa and haas pace has been relatively similar especially during the first half, where they eventually both dropped off really hard. They are in very similar situations such as the team environment (kmag and bottas being their teammates), 'rookie' driver, shitty team strategies, etc. Although zhou is clearly way more unlucky than mick, mick and zhou are, in my opinion, very similar. Good pace and fighting against their veteran teammates, still makes some rookie mistakes, sometimes shows a massive spark in talent, etc.
One thing that has made me a bit sad about Mick’s career is the fact Michael hasn’t been there to really mentor him. Sure he has Seb, but I doubt Seb is there for Mick in that sense. Max has his father for motivation as well as Hamilton. I just wonder what kind of advice/motivation Michael would be giving Mick and where he’d be at. It’s only “Ifs” and “buts” I suppose.
I hope the teams see Micks potential he has (you dont dominate F3 and win F2 without insane talent) as a risk worth taking rather than going for someone like Hulk who will always be a decent driver, but probably isnt going to become anyone special or produce special moments in the future. Also the 1und1 sponsorship money from Mick cant be that baaaad