@@private_channel11 maybe you personally don't like them, but personally i really enjoy the more abstract SCPs. Memetic and pataphysical SCPs are some of my favourites.
"Hmmm I really like math and I really love analog horror. I wonder if I could make an analog horror about math?" -Unorthodox Kitten a year ago (probably)
Hello! I'm a massive nerd who enjoys looking into set theory a lot, and I've seen a lot of mathematical concepts referred to within this video, and would like to explain a bit about them. (4:07)The video starts off by states that Taiga is "shielded from outer existence", which could be similar to setting up axiomatic principles. Axiomatic principles here mean the rules that all mathematical objects abide by. For example, a common axiom in geometry would be "you can always draw a line crossing two points in space". Following this, they mention a virus disguised as absolute truth. To me this seems like an axiom present in Taiga which seems to disprove commonly used axioms, thus breaking the mathematical universe down and eventually destroying it. For example, it would be like stating that 1=2 in your axioms, which would destroy modern day math. The speaker also says "the majority of elements in your set", which means that we, the viewers are actually elements in a set. A set has elements within it. For example a set of all natural numbers would have 1, 2, 3, 4... so on and so forth. We are not seeing this as a human, but instead as a mathematical object in a mathematical world. Our set is referred to as "The British Sea(or C?)", and it can be assumed that Taiga is the name of the set infected by this "virus". We are very clearly being sent out to investigate what axioms Taiga operates on, neverbefore done. The External Terminology part may require an understanding of how functions work in set theory, but I'll try to make it very simple. A function is basically something which turns elements from one set, to elements in another set. For example, if I put set A, defined as 1, 2, 3, 4 into function f(x)=x+1, with x being elements in A, then the output (set B) will be 2, 3, 4, 5. Similarly, Con(B) = A can be thought of as a function like the one above. The speaker also states that this means there is a "fundamental equivalence in essence", which I believe means that the elements of set A and set B can both be "tied" to one another. To use our example from before, we can "tie" element 1 from set A to element 2 from set B, and so on for all elements. This means a LOT in set theory but the main one is that these two sets have equal size. Two sets of equal size means that sometimes, if you're able to prove one thing for one set, you can prove the same for the other. In sets A and B for this video, this means we can analyze set B instead of A, and since set B is likely simpler than set A, we can interpret set A in a way we understand. Next up, Concept Degree! Concept Degree seems to refer to how many times we "simply" set A. So, by putting set A through our function (Con(B)) we simplify it. However, if we repeat this process, we can simply turn Con(B) into Con(Con(B)). Interpretation Degree seems to refer to how many times we repeat our Con(B) function. By repeating this n times, we can get simpler and simpler representations of set A, which would normally be out of our grasp. Set A in this context of course means the entities we see through this series. (I am least confident in this one) The Internal Terminology part requires some understanding of how physicists graph/visualize time and space. Starting off with Time, the speaker refers to multiple axis's of time. This can be thought of simply as different universes, or different timelines. The Causal Set seems to refer to how time axis's are defined within this universe, with these requiring to have at least one element present in another causal set of a different time axis, basicslly meaning these two sets share elements, and that they cannot be empty. Partial Past refers to an event which has occured in at least one time axis. anything that has happened before in the many timelines/multiverses is referred to as partial past. Absolute Past is an event that has happened before in ALL timelines/multiverses. Next, Structure. Structure refers to anything which exists in partial past. For example, if you want to refer to a glass of wine which hasn't been created yet in another multiverse, you can simply call it a Structure. Then we get onto the entities we examine. Model 00, which is a 1st Order Structure, can be seen as the "simplest" structure in Taiga. On the fourth intepretation, we are finally able to understand it, meaning we had to simply Model 00 four times using our Con(B) function. As we get onto the later models, we see this intepretation value increase, meaning these are getting progressively more complex. What the speaker says about the models seem less mathematical, and more biological. After explaining Model 01, the speaker goes on to say us, the listeners will need to have an absolute measure of time. As seen above these are multiple time axis', meaning multiple speeds at which time moves. An interpretational algorithm is likely calculating how fast or slow time moves relative to the absolute time measure. TL;DR: We the listeners aren't humans, and are more like mathematical objects in a mathematical universe. The Taiga is a nonsensical set of mathematical statements which breaks down modern math, thus killing us. The Taiga has multiple timelines within, and each of these timelines have different "speeds" of time relative to each other, We are being sent on an expedition to see what rules the Taiga runs on. I might add some more analysis below, but it's getting late and my ramblings might get even more incoherent.
Jesus. That’s a long a$$ comment but hella’ worth reading. It cleared up most of the things in this series and further develops on things I’ve seen as well. It’s great.
@@Mediocreinput I do feel like the virus metaphor works a bit better. There isn't exactly a way to "combat" a bad axiom, unless you have a better axiom already prepared. Once it's in the system, you're done for.
"The Taiga is a nonsensical set of mathematical statements" does it, though? i might be wrong, and i most definately am not going to read through the actual papers linked by the creator, but to me it seemed more like the Taiga was basically the setting of this whole thing? A grand multiverse with an infinite amount of dimensions?
This work reminds me of an author named Greg Egan. All of his works relate to EXTREMELY wierd and abstract mathematical and physics concepts, to the degree that I can't even really describe them. Permutation City, his most famous and least insane piece, relates to multiple layers of simulation-within-simulaion, matrix style, and involves a computer based on pure mathematics that requires no physical hardware to run. Regarding the nature of the world inside the Taiga: 01-J isn't just able to travel back and forth in in time, it is able to instantiate new temporal axii and travel along *all* of them, similar to it's counterpart. Our physical universe has three spatial dimensions and one time dimension- so 3 axii and one axis, respetively, to use the series terminology. O1-I is able to create extra axii and make space 4 dimensional, 5 dimensional, ect. Either within a bubble, or across the entire universe. As a physics and mathematics enthusiast, just my 2c, but: I think that the Tagia is a kind of mini-multiverse, where whole pocket-universe-bubbles with different laws of physics function like atoms. The native entities "biology" (if you can even call it that) works by reprograming the physical laws of these individual pocket-universes to make them interract in certain ways. 01-J is fixed in space but moves through time, so it will simply reprogram reality so that time is 3 dimensional (or 4 dimensional, or 10,000 dimensional...) so that it has more wiggle room. It is also insinuated that these entities are at the bottom of the food chain, the "grass" or "krill" that everything else feeds upon. Just my interpretation but- The story is set in the extreme far future. "Data Clusters" Are gigantic supercomputers powered by captures stars, possibly light-years in diameter. Each contains many simulated universes where most people (or perhaps "people" considering) live. Tagia cluster is a cluster that was running very exotic simulated universes with unusual physics. One of those contained created a virus that hijacked the cluster and made it start running increasingly exotic and incomprehensible universes. This eventually led to the Tagia cluster creating not just simulated universes, but a second, physically real universe in parelel to this one, linked to ours by the Tagia. "You" is an entity, originating in the Taiga cluster who left before everything fell apart, ending up in a second cluster called "The british sea". It's superiors send it into the Taiga to report back on what it finds. The entities beyond Taiga notice the newcomer, and this sets into motion a chain of events that leads to them breaching into and remaking the real universe. But the scout somehow survives the cataclysm, and wanders the ruined universe without purpose.
This and the Monument Mythos are probably my favorite analog horrors since they are less direct horror and more of a surrealist’s interpretation of horror!
So basically they are acid trip induced nightmares that the creator got so petty about it wanted to share only for said acid trip induced nightmare to become an acid trip itself, essentially fueling itself which somehow i feel like is in line with this series.
27:58 isn't the Milky Way galaxy. I haven't seen anyone else point this out but it's a galaxy known as the "Sombrero Galaxy", a rather beautiful galaxy if you ask me. Just thought I'd point it out :)
A realm of fantasy where all magic and mythos are statistical anomalies of quantum phenomena coincidentally syncing with our conscience desires creating a realm of false fantasy, populated by beings fooled by nature within a timeline of fragile probabilities
The realm of Mythos and magic are simply a fragile place of chances and wills. The desire to perform are coincidentally synced with the statistical outliers of quantum phenomena fooling the conscious of their stability on a scale of fragile probabilities. Deceived by correlation, worshipping a false causation... Magic
They technically are, the chance of you or me stopping to exist, or anything, even outside natural law is non-zero. Which means it can happen, the probability is just incomprehensibly small, but never zero, I could go on a rant and name examples but I feel you can look into it. It is part of the second law of thermodinamics.
"the battle of the gODS lasted a fraction of an instant. They did not even realize They no longer existed. Their cREATION was Their doom, the cREATOR's doom. as just a mere painting of the Infinite from the bLIND nonexistent view of iTS. Nothing is out of oUR reach. The Physical Impossibility of Non-existence in the Existence of something Existing. Before the jump, the celebration orbs were sent, now working as cREATOR'S last echoes." Probably the most kick ass thing ever written.
Oh man, the red pixels in my monitor are getting a workout with this video side note: I love how the pfp of the series creator is their own version of Pixi-Gags adhd cat
Small note- The Laniakea Supercluster, mentioned alongside Milkdromeda, is a real thing. It's the galactic supergroup that contains the Milky Way, and like a hundred thousand other galaxies. It's sort of the last stop on scale before you hit galactic filaments, the largest structures in the universe, and the observable universe itself. We're definitely supposed to think that human scales were involved at some point along the chain of expansion here.
Finally, I had been waiting for someone to cover Unorthodox Kitten! My favorite episode is Infinity, Singularity and The Rapture. There's something fun about how the formation and development of timelines and universes is compared to the evolution of species, with them living in an ecosystem of sorts where they feed on a base energy source, that being Model-00, prey on each other, each other, and reproduce.
I just straight up took the entire idea of the models and stuff for my own work of fiction. They will not be plot relevant or even included outside of worlbuilding for bullshit cosmology, but it's still fun :D
This series is funny. I think Principia Mathematica by Bertrand Russell and Alfred North Whitehead is an influence on the series. Essentially the book sought to use logic to prove mathematics without the use of actual math. One aim of the three volume book was to resolve certain mathematical paradoxes. This series seems like it takes a lot of its story from axiomatic attempts to recreate math on the basis of logic. Edit: my first comment was before I got to the 10 minute mark of your video. This series is making me laugh. Model zero is the null data set. Thank you for making this video. I need to go to sleep and only made it about 15 minutes in but this series is fun. Thanks for taking the time to make a video about this. Edit 2: I think that the models are taking influence from imaginary numbers. The idea of a null set being a virus is funny.
@@tonyvega1705let the cat destroy geonetry just don’t let it touch physics. Physics is fun but geometry can go nonexist in the endless void for all I care.
I didnt see you covering it, but there are several hidden playlists with more uploads that show more sides and aspects of this world. And i found the academic papers to be much more world building than actual necessary math to be solved, especially with the taiga explorations.
So this IS real. I saw the last video once while very sick and forgot about it for a few days, I suddenly remembered but tried as I might I could never find it again, I searched through all videos in my history but it was gone. Suddenly your video appeared and made me relieved that I'm not crazy.
I absolutely love cosmic horror that has to do with fabric of existance in the physical sense. I do enjoy lovecraft and the philisophical view of reality, but as a person studying quantum mechanics and specifically possible sterile or oscillating neutrinos (those pesky little things) the idea of non-existence being a viral spreading plauge is simply too realistic to not find basis in being afraid. (Ie, false vacuum state, omega voids, higgs field balance shift, ect) can theoretically happen, but we see it as way too hard. But the idea of it technically being possible and we aren’t the first things to do it is so amazing. I love it. Antimatter? Nah, we here are exotic matter annhialation mfs
This is my bread and fucking BUTTER hell yeah cosmic horror with congruent and actually researched or at least speculatively congruent with scientific theory style consequences!!! The comic I've been working on for years now's whole cosmology is shit like this I LOVE IT
okay i'm 10 minute in and so far, to the point were i'm slightly wigged out, this horror series uncannily feels like a in universe pov of my comic's cosmological scale, just replace math and the concept of death
INCLUDING SOMEHOW the implication of what to me looks like a witch. This shit is wild. like UNCOMFORTABLY similar and all of this is just in my on head and on papers
NOT EVEN A MINUTE PAST AND THE USAGE OF ABSOLUTE & it's actually so fucking cool i like fully understand what's being said and im just left fuckin' WIDE EYED
This reminds me of project palisade from the SCP universe, the TLDR of it that The foundation keeps making new universes as a sacrifice to "The Threat" to keep it from destroying the prime one and at the end it is revealed that the thing destroying universes, ripping realities asunder, is nothing more than a thrown stone, one of the weaker weapons used by being infinitely more powerful than us. It was a stone thrown in a war that used nukes (comparatively) and the stone missed and just happened to land near the Foundations timeline
My speculation: I'ts a story about humanity becoming so advanced they accidentally erase themselves,.... In ALL connotations, physically, temporally, and even conceptually.
Worse, their own creations erased the concept of space-time and eventually.... existence. One evidence was when those "Taiga" constructs travelled back to 1924 and rendered humanity.... non-existent.
11:30 considering the overarching theme of math being deleted i think what the "mathdeleters" wanna show here is how the virus of math "spreads" by causing more and more dependencie onto one another and how if this chain of causality is interrupted everything that was ever derived from it breaks. Down. Imagine how fundermentally our laws of math would suddenly change if somehow 2 x 2 = 5 is suddenly true. What is mend here is that, take 2 x 2 that is = 4. That means now if i mention 4 and using 4 it is always linked to equasion. It creates a net of causality. But if 2 x 2 somehow is changed to 5 than does 4 x 1 also = 5? Does it still equal 4? what about -2 x -2? Is it 5 now? what if it isnt? So many fundermental rules of math can be broken so easily by just doing benine things like allowing you to devide by 0, removing irrational numbers, bringing imaginearies into existence. Id also like to mention that the mention of the "set from where you once came" is interesting. Its a paradoxical question that sometimes philosophers will ask about math "Does a set of all things contain itself" (A set is a sequence of numbers, it can also contain other sets, you can effectively, if you are granual enough, describe anything as a set) so i think was this implies here is that if a set of everything (the universe) contains itself it becomes infinitely spiralling downwards. Because once it contains itself it is new, but than it needs to contain that new set too, and that set too at infinitum. What if humanity or the entire universe of humanity is just the result of these infinitely spiralling sets upon sets.
My personal theory about the lamp people is that they might be outside from outside our taiga entirely, merely observers from some place even further away, trying to study the peculiar entities that have appeared upon our Taiga. It would add another layer of irony to this story that despite all of our mistakes in creating those larger than existence entity, we are still showing our hubris by believing our creation to be the the greatest, and most terrible things to ever exist, when to the observers, they are merely an interesting novelty in a tiny spec of their own reality.
Maybe it being a cat is a schrodingers cat reference? EDIT: I was not far into the video when I said this. I still think the schrodinger's cat theory still maybe has a part to play, but I wouldn't call them cats. But this was much weirder than I expected before it was over. (I am very stupid though).
Jon: GARFIELD, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?!? Garfield: I hate maths, Jon, *so I deleted it.* Jon: YOU KILLED EVERYBODY IN THE UNIVERSE!! Garfield: Oh you poor thing, do I look like the type of feline that'll care about a single puny universe? No. The deed has been done now. AND YOU CANNOT EVER REVERSE IT, *_J O N A T H O N A R B U C K L E_* , FOR EXISTENCE... *N O L O N G E R E X I S T S*
Plot twist: Garfield committed his sin of non-existence on a Monday. Since no other days of the week exist, Garfield is now trapped in a hell of his own creation. Cue laugh track.
FINALLY! I came across this series a while back and was absolutely astounded by the sheer existential dread it made me feel, yet i understood absolutely nothing about it. It's so glad to finally see someone make a video essay about it
one thing i noticed was the mention of an anti expansion device which implies a MUCH later timeline. my interpretation is that heat death has begone with all matter expanding away from each other. thus why a device would be required to stop a star and its sounding civilization from breaking apart down to the atomic level and being scattered. this would also explain why humanity was afraid of its infinitely finite end in that the end of the universe via heat death is not a stop and all but instead a infinite existence in which Nothing changes, happens, or is observed.
While I don't have anything definitive or cohesive, I'd like to put forth some stuff I've noticed. In the very first video, the narrator mentions that the Taiga is something that is "permanently isolated, shielded from external existence". External existence would imply "outside of existence" or "beyond existence", which ties into the series' pretty heavy focus on existence and non-existence. Furthermore, when they get into terminology, it is divided into external terminology and internal terminology. The external terminology seems to relate to how these unnamed outsiders will define certain data about the Taiga, whereas internal terminology deals with things inside the Taiga as supposed to the outside (this delineation probably isn't significant, but might be noteworthy). Perhaps the narrator and we, the audience, are in some sort of state of non-existence. In "Everything is Happening at the Same Time", I've always taken the first part where the view is continuously zooming out as a showcase of the parts that make up the whole that is the "creatures" we see in the Taiga. Just like the genetic information and the numerous enzymes and macromolecules that makes up living beings, our universe makes up the units that constitute much grander beings. Anything that "exists" is part of this Taiga data construct, and anything that is nonexistent must live beyond it. The paper linked in "The External Reality of Finiteness" actually has a clean (no marks or "data corruption) version which you can find if you just look up "partially complete mobile interpretation method", belonging to a certain Interpretation Department of the "Research Center in the X". If I had to guess, these beings in the state of nonexistence are peering into what does exist (the Taiga) and trying to understand it for whatever reason. Perhaps to remove them and anything that exists as was alluded to in the description of the first video. The only other supporting evidence I have that some of this is presented from this "nonexistent point of view" is that one hidden video starts with the phrase "Intrusion-Resistant Anti-Information Presentation", which feels very fitting for a group that wants to maintain this "existential silence" Speaking of which, there are hidden videos/playlists if you go to Unorthodox Kitten's playlists. "0th iteration" has two videos, and the second video in the playlist has a link to another playlist titled "Ein Sof", which contains another two videos. "Ein Sof" is significant, as "OHR EIN SOF" was thrown around various times, such as in the first public video and another video in the 0th iteration and the Ein Sof playlist. The term originates from the Kabbalah, an esoteric method and school of thought in Jewish mysticism. I can't really tell you what it means since I'm only just starting to look into this myself, but I can see why it might have to do with the series, given the heavy mentions of these "painters" and "gods" that the video descriptions so like to refer to. Probably not narratively important, but I thought it was interesting that the data constructs that were mentioned are named "Taiga" and the "British Sea". It reminded me of an old Soviet patriotic song that had the line "But from the Taiga to British seas". Probably a coincidence, but it could just be a fun little nod to the song.
I'm extremely unqualified to make any claims of knowledge about Kabbalah, but as far as I'm aware, EIN SOF is what those who practise Kabbalah call the original form of god before he even created himself / the godhead. In other words, it's the infinite nothing before god as can be understood came to form. From there irrc essentially that nothingness withdrew itself in an act of creation of "not nothing", which eventually kicks off Tzimtzum and thus begins the birth of the conciousness of god, which knocking down the sephirot which afaik is mostly god coming to understand itself, eventually ending up with the creation of the Earth, Malkhut. However as I say, I've watched only a few videos on the subject and while interesting to even slightly understand it I feel you need to speedrun several hundred years of extremely esoteric jewish thought of the unknowable
I might sound crazy but there is a novel that was written after the Three Body Problem trilogy was written that involved some crazy alternate dimension stuff where some characters were able to travel in and out of different times and places throughout the universe. The thing that really got me thinking about the series is that in one scene a character is watching a civilization fall while he is watching from above in his 'doorway' as it was described. It was also told from the perspective of the civilization for a while and the character watching was said to only be a silhouette with a hat. I haven't actually finished the novel but it is called The Redemption of Time.
Damn, I read the original trilogy but never cared to get to Redemption of Time cause I've heard some say it's not necessarily canon to TBP, and doesn't have the same vibe, but from that description you gave I am picking it up RIGHT now
I find it really funny how they basically just made a really roundabout way to explain functions with a notation that doesn’t really make sense unless “B” is the fundamental building block of the concept of “A”, and then it gets really funny because neither B nor A is a mathematical concept unless you were to try to define it as such. It’s just using basic math to explain the causality of complexity. Tldr : Put simple stuff together become complex stuff.
I really love this series. The art is beautiful and the music is so incredibly fitting it’s amazing. I also want to mention at the beginning, (sometime in the unnarrated part of the first video) there was a rotating Tesseract in perspective, which is basically a geometric body(?) that is in the 4th dimension. It comes from taking your average cube, doubling it and combining the points that are on the same location. I love that attention to detail from the artist.
(5) Before I forget, this more than touches on ideas of Chaos, Order and their relationships. Take the concept of "From Chaos, comes Order" and more importantly now, it's inverse - From Chaos Comes Order. The idea that all choatic systems eventually collapse on themselves into an Orderly system. Orderly systems eventually break down into chaos too. The very point of The Big Bang is Order - think of it as 'too tightly compact' - turning into chaos - and then as stars formed and galaxies and planets yadda yadda yadda - and we get an orderly based universe with chaotic aberrations here and there which - in theory - they themselves collapse into order. What happens when Order is the Abberation? Order reacts to chaos by becoming more Orderly. If They exist/don't exist in a realm of chaos - no mathematical systems - then the introduction of Order - which spreads - like a virus through disorder.
49:30 I’d like to think that this is what the outside perspective looks like, having the outsiders imploding the universes under the parasites control, then watching if anything survived “this time”, basing this off the fact that the model was apparently shocked by the universe root (what I’m calling the funny cube and stick) actually returned to a physical state but glowing, then having it make an attempt to escape (given by the fact that it didn’t shift in time, instead moving hurriedly away since the axis of time doesn’t exist outside of existence)
about your math with the date, thats not 1924. if you take the system then convert it to a 12 month system, heres what you get so first, take the 1924, multiply by 360 and then 60. thats 41 558 400 days. now, divide this by 365.2421 for the year, which comes out to 113783.15917, which then converting the .15917 back to days is 58, or the very end of feburary. feb 27. this means this war actually begins not in the 38th century or so, but february 27 113783, or the 1137th century. thats why that pyramid thing is complete and whatnot
Have you seen the "0th iteration" playlist? There's more videos that you haven't talked about. There's also a playlist in the info cards of those videos.
@@atonedudeatsnotsubscribed8313 The second video on the playlist "0th iteration" was added after the last of the public ones was published, so it's very likely canon.
If I had to guess, the date from the third video is arcminute/degree/galactic year. One galactic year is the time it takes the sun to orbit the galaxy's center, or around 225 million earth years, with degrees being one 360th of the orbit and arcminutes being 1/60th of a degree. Assuming Milkdromeda galactic years are the same length as Milky Way galactic years and the calendar starts when the galaxies collide, The External Reality of Finiteness occurs in approximately 437.4 billion years, and Existence No Longer Exists in 462.7 billion years. My ballpark estimate for this series is between 100 billion and 1 trillion years from now. This timeframe could also explain why the galaxies in the videos are red, as only red dwarf stars would exist that far into the future.
unfortunately, i can't really be scared by cosmic horror like this. it's so far beyond my comprehension that my brain checks out, and i just stop being scared. it's really cool, but not scary. an example of cosmic horror that i DO find scary, would be Gemini home entertainment. partly because the cosmic threat in that series manifests via more tangible smaller threats. it's easier for me to comprehend, and thus scarier.
props to the cameraman for transcending all planes of existence, time, comprehensibility, reality, concepts, space. and mathematical existences just to film this analog horror
It reminds me of the time I couldn’t fall asleep and was thinking about time-space and mind stuff. Even though I myself displease materialism and adore theorising a lot I have to admit that even my biggest conceptual experiments in world-building and just general in-mind time-space tomfoolery is absolutely dwarfed by terminology, irrational rationality and complexness of concepts covered in the presented videos. Kitten, amazing job
For your information, C2 - Misplaced in Time" by The Caretaker sampled George Olsen's "Lullaby of the Leaves". And, George Olsen's "Lullaby of the Leaves" is the song that is playing that that specific timestamp.
This is astonishing. I would have to write everything out and read everything to fully grasp the concepts. But this is some of the best horror on the platform.
My interpretation is that this is an attempt at interpreting us (humanity) from the point of view of an entity existing outside of our existence. With this viewpoint, Model 00 is the ability to abstract/imagine/think of things that do not exist. Then Model 01 is belief/faith/god as a concept of mankind. It exists because it has existed. Growing from other faiths and belief and reaching a point where it stands "alone" and then branching into more variations of itself as more interpretations emerge. I also have another similar interpretation that would take into account the idea that Model 00 is omnipresent throughout the data cluster, the various mentions of infinity, of creators and of an infinite non-existence. In this interpretation, this takes place far into the future. We (humanity) have reached for infinity and eternity but we lost ourselves, leaving behind either shells of ourselves or creation that emulate our abstraction/interpretation of the world, but without a something that makes us alive. It only leave a universe filled with silent machine, unthinking algorithms that go through the steps without seeing existence. An empty ballroom filled with dancing automatons without thoughts or consciousness and with no one to see them dance. The universe no longer dreaming of itself for there is no more dreamers. EDIT: Fun fact, I went and watched the series on the channel before coming back and commenting, only then did I go ahead and watch the video so I now see some of the things I said were mentioned lol.
It's also interesting to note how cryptic the channel discription is, I think it may make more sense once some of the main concepts of the series are fully confirmed and grounded.
Honestly I love this a lot. Probably my new favorite horror series. This just got my math brain going lol. The visuals to me are really amazing. Tons of effort into these amazing and sometimes beautiful and scary visuals. I have my own interpretations of this. In that first video it appears that the narrator is giving axioms (proven things) about the creation of reality and how universes and how the finite got created from the infinite. We see stuff like branching universes, time intersections and even stuff like structure and cause and effect. A lot of the logical stuff and notations in that first video appear to loop in on themselves (such as the powers of concepts infinitely leading to the same entity). All and all it appears that it is a whole complex and nearly incomprehensible logical explanation of reality and how the infinite leads to finite. Can’t help but realize how similar some of these models are to tree data structures in computer science. I think what’s is happening is that humans are attempting to escape the finite and enter the infinite and in doing so, end up making something is way greater than what humanity couldn’t have predicted. It’s kinda like that “stare into the abyss, it stares back” saying lol. I also just can’t help but get Kabbalah feelings. The whole point of Kabbalah is trying to explain how the infinity of god (ein sof) created the finite material world and how we can connect back to god. It’s super interesting to think about in the context of all this. I should clarify I haven’t looked into this series too too much, this is just my initial stuff lol.
27:58 is actually the "Sombrero Galaxy" not the Milky Way. I haven't seen anyone else point this out so I thought I should :) The galaxy is rather beautiful if you ask me. This is my second comment since I think my previous one didn't send, but if it did then now you know why I sent two identical comments.
So, feel free to tell me that I'm way off, but please give me a moment to relay my interpretation of what's going on at 9:42 Imagine an almond. You've never seen it before. You've never seen it, or anything like it, ever before. But, you've seen this other thing. Which is kind of like a cashew, which is kind of like a pistachio, which we believe came from a tree(?). Trees, are these things that grow out of the ground. Kinda like grass, which is kinda like corn, which is kind of like the hedge. (?) A hedge is like a tree, has a kinda similar root structure, and both have green leaves. (?) Leaves are~ ... and so on, and so forth. Here, the almond (A) is like the cashew (b) which is like a pistachio (c) Which we can cross reference to trees (D), which we believe is related to B, and C. For further reference, that's related to grass, (E) related to corn (F), related to a hedge (G) A hedge is like a tree (referenced as as D) Etc, etc, etc In conclusion: If you're so inclined, you *could* use numbers instead of letters. Both are trying to describe "wtf almond?", "is nut?" but are using different methods to get there.
I thought this would be a horror documentary of a virtual world that made sense but was knocked over by a cat. Causing the rules of logic in the virtual world to break down.
18:10 Modul's are hard to explain but you can imagine them as a set off Vectors directions. This entity seams to just be able to "add" vectors to an existing Modul within the Datecluster (probably our universe) id assume this is to avoid the previous entity: since they are immobile their vectors are fixed and cant move except time. Meaning that if you create a new vector that is no where this entity is than you can permanently avoid it since you can never possible reach you. Lets start with 2 dimensions: Predator A is on X=5 and can move freely on Y Predator B is on Y= 5 and can move freely on X You are trapped right? If time dosnt matter you would be toast. So what do you do? you create Z, a new "Vector" in the Modul to avoid both. But now some Predator appears that can move on Z, well dam it: time to create T, now some predator is fixed on the others and can move freely on T, dam it time to create the next and on and on creating infite vectors to move in. It just so happens that we, humans, are able to move on vector X, Y and Z, and are stuck on the downslobe T(time) but unlike that specific thing we cant just create a new vector. We cant just: go back in time, to avoid ever stepping on a certain place. And if there is such an entity anywhere on a T spot. like idk T = 3000. And you can only ever go forwards on T than eventually you will reach the spot where your predator is waiting. Unless ofcourse, again you can literally create a new direction.
@@Mediocreinput never saw you comment it is actually quite similar indeed! Just that the devil is able to just go: up, and than through time, and tvan also through parralel dimensions and tha- (and so on and so on)
If something beyond me told me I didn't exist I just wouldn't have their shit and wouldn't be more scared . I exist and have a consciousness from my point of view and it seems the people around me also do, so it just seems like gatekeeping bullshit tbh
I don't know if it's of any import, but the names "Taiga" and "The British Sea" seem to reference the Soviet song "The Red Army Is the Strongest". In its lyrics it mentions that "From the taiga to the British sea, the Red Army is the strongest", which could explain the absolute amount of red in these videos.
When you mentioned time travel, I thought about how cool time is as a concept, it has been a witness to all of history whats even cooler is the fact that mathematics as a whole is a timeless subject, concepts and ideas in mathematics known and derived by ancient mathematicians hundreds and even thousands of years ago can still be relevant to this current age and will be in the far future as well. In a way, in order for future humans to help humans in the past combat such incomprehensible enemies they had to bring their future knowledge (mathematics) back to the past to educate their ancestors on how to properly deal with them
I’m going to sound crazy, but I think I understand what’s happening in this one
yeah me too
😂
Give this comment more attention
Well, I wonder why.
My mind feels numb
"be careful around the fabric of reality, garfield"
AUUUUUGHHHHH
"Where is my mathematical equation... GARFIELD!"
STOP PLAYING WITH IT!
I'm sorry, Jon...
Let me take a gander at that geometric hoagie!
what i came for: giant cat destroying math
what i got: benadryl induced nightmare
This was what I needed to hook me.
What you dream after reading dantes inferno after 15 benadryl
@@Smashburrogamespajama rocket
Three-Digit SCPs: “It’s a scary monster and if you look at it you die 😱”
Four-Digit SCPs:
nah these are one digit scps
EVER HEARD OF THE SCARLET KING
Scarlet King (in most of its iterations) is nowhere near this level tbh
Unpopular (popular) opinion most SCP after 1000 suck
@@private_channel11 maybe you personally don't like them, but personally i really enjoy the more abstract SCPs. Memetic and pataphysical SCPs are some of my favourites.
SCP 3125 and SCP 2747 are both viscerally terrifying, and testaments to the efficacy of the new style.
"You stupid."
"No I not!"
"What's nine plus ten?"
"Twenny o-"
*universe collapses in on itself*
Hahaha
You know it's funny, I have been trying to develop a non-commutative addition system and even in that system it is not possible that 10+9=21
@@Bombito_(h)wat hou... (h)wī?! (What how... why?!)
(I've made a language where it is phonetic's only)
@@lourdespachla6516epic
Thanks bud
We've gone past sacred geometry it's now eldritch geometry.
Eldritch calculus
Soon we unlock the square root of -1
@@bassdreamer91dividing by zero
Finally, 10 + 9 = 21 and Thrembo will be real
@@averagespark862owo7Funny that you say that
"Mordecai! Rigby! Go do the dishes or you're fired!"
five minutes later: 4:08
Fr
FR
this comment just summarized most of a regular show
Oh my god
"Benson gona be mad when he sees this"
"Hmmm I really like math and I really love analog horror. I wonder if I could make an analog horror about math?" -Unorthodox Kitten a year ago (probably)
The content of that kitten's mind is an enigma
Yeah but an absurdist rendition of modern art doesn’t roll off the tongue quite as well
@@V0IDWAREthe title says it’s analog horror
bro was cooking
I had an idea for an analog horror called 2+2=5 where the laws of math and values of numbers changed constantly leading to things getting screwed up
Hello! I'm a massive nerd who enjoys looking into set theory a lot, and I've seen a lot of mathematical concepts referred to within this video, and would like to explain a bit about them.
(4:07)The video starts off by states that Taiga is "shielded from outer existence", which could be similar to setting up axiomatic principles. Axiomatic principles here mean the rules that all mathematical objects abide by. For example, a common axiom in geometry would be "you can always draw a line crossing two points in space". Following this, they mention a virus disguised as absolute truth. To me this seems like an axiom present in Taiga which seems to disprove commonly used axioms, thus breaking the mathematical universe down and eventually destroying it. For example, it would be like stating that 1=2 in your axioms, which would destroy modern day math. The speaker also says "the majority of elements in your set", which means that we, the viewers are actually elements in a set. A set has elements within it. For example a set of all natural numbers would have 1, 2, 3, 4... so on and so forth. We are not seeing this as a human, but instead as a mathematical object in a mathematical world. Our set is referred to as "The British Sea(or C?)", and it can be assumed that Taiga is the name of the set infected by this "virus". We are very clearly being sent out to investigate what axioms Taiga operates on, neverbefore done.
The External Terminology part may require an understanding of how functions work in set theory, but I'll try to make it very simple. A function is basically something which turns elements from one set, to elements in another set. For example, if I put set A, defined as 1, 2, 3, 4 into function f(x)=x+1, with x being elements in A, then the output (set B) will be 2, 3, 4, 5. Similarly, Con(B) = A can be thought of as a function like the one above. The speaker also states that this means there is a "fundamental equivalence in essence", which I believe means that the elements of set A and set B can both be "tied" to one another. To use our example from before, we can "tie" element 1 from set A to element 2 from set B, and so on for all elements. This means a LOT in set theory but the main one is that these two sets have equal size. Two sets of equal size means that sometimes, if you're able to prove one thing for one set, you can prove the same for the other. In sets A and B for this video, this means we can analyze set B instead of A, and since set B is likely simpler than set A, we can interpret set A in a way we understand.
Next up, Concept Degree! Concept Degree seems to refer to how many times we "simply" set A. So, by putting set A through our function (Con(B)) we simplify it. However, if we repeat this process, we can simply turn Con(B) into Con(Con(B)).
Interpretation Degree seems to refer to how many times we repeat our Con(B) function. By repeating this n times, we can get simpler and simpler representations of set A, which would normally be out of our grasp. Set A in this context of course means the entities we see through this series. (I am least confident in this one)
The Internal Terminology part requires some understanding of how physicists graph/visualize time and space. Starting off with Time, the speaker refers to multiple axis's of time. This can be thought of simply as different universes, or different timelines. The Causal Set seems to refer to how time axis's are defined within this universe, with these requiring to have at least one element present in another causal set of a different time axis, basicslly meaning these two sets share elements, and that they cannot be empty. Partial Past refers to an event which has occured in at least one time axis. anything that has happened before in the many timelines/multiverses is referred to as partial past. Absolute Past is an event that has happened before in ALL timelines/multiverses.
Next, Structure. Structure refers to anything which exists in partial past. For example, if you want to refer to a glass of wine which hasn't been created yet in another multiverse, you can simply call it a Structure.
Then we get onto the entities we examine. Model 00, which is a 1st Order Structure, can be seen as the "simplest" structure in Taiga. On the fourth intepretation, we are finally able to understand it, meaning we had to simply Model 00 four times using our Con(B) function. As we get onto the later models, we see this intepretation value increase, meaning these are getting progressively more complex. What the speaker says about the models seem less mathematical, and more biological.
After explaining Model 01, the speaker goes on to say us, the listeners will need to have an absolute measure of time. As seen above these are multiple time axis', meaning multiple speeds at which time moves. An interpretational algorithm is likely calculating how fast or slow time moves relative to the absolute time measure.
TL;DR: We the listeners aren't humans, and are more like mathematical objects in a mathematical universe. The Taiga is a nonsensical set of mathematical statements which breaks down modern math, thus killing us. The Taiga has multiple timelines within, and each of these timelines have different "speeds" of time relative to each other, We are being sent on an expedition to see what rules the Taiga runs on.
I might add some more analysis below, but it's getting late and my ramblings might get even more incoherent.
Sounds like a war but in mathematical concept
Jesus. That’s a long a$$ comment but hella’ worth reading. It cleared up most of the things in this series and further develops on things I’ve seen as well. It’s great.
@@just_a_hampa Thank you! I tried my best :)
@@Mediocreinput I do feel like the virus metaphor works a bit better. There isn't exactly a way to "combat" a bad axiom, unless you have a better axiom already prepared. Once it's in the system, you're done for.
"The Taiga is a nonsensical set of mathematical statements"
does it, though?
i might be wrong, and i most definately am not going to read through the actual papers linked by the creator, but to me it seemed more like the Taiga was basically the setting of this whole thing? A grand multiverse with an infinite amount of dimensions?
You don't need analog horror to make math scary tbh
"finish page 5,6,7,8,9,10 and 11 for tomorrow and then tell me the whole Chinese and Japanese alphabet" shiver me timbers 💀💀💀💀😥😥😥😥
"answer pages 50-68 in sentence form with proofs and solutions, study pages 109-147, and win a nobel prize due tomorrow" oh no
Oh hell nah yo ass tweakin teacher
Calculus man, they're scary ngl.
@@TheoVad fax
And THIS is why we don't roll joints with pages out of the Necronomicon.
More like a calculus and quantum mechanics book
Ohh but the paper is *perfect* for it…!
Interes hmm ok maybe I wouldnt maybe
Ash Williams dun goofed again
ACT 1 : Exordium
Bill Cipher has been hitting that dark alien pixel art pack
I thought i was the only one thinking of bill cipher
This work reminds me of an author named Greg Egan. All of his works relate to EXTREMELY wierd and abstract mathematical and physics concepts, to the degree that I can't even really describe them. Permutation City, his most famous and least insane piece, relates to multiple layers of simulation-within-simulaion, matrix style, and involves a computer based on pure mathematics that requires no physical hardware to run.
Regarding the nature of the world inside the Taiga:
01-J isn't just able to travel back and forth in in time, it is able to instantiate new temporal axii and travel along *all* of them, similar to it's counterpart. Our physical universe has three spatial dimensions and one time dimension- so 3 axii and one axis, respetively, to use the series terminology.
O1-I is able to create extra axii and make space 4 dimensional, 5 dimensional, ect. Either within a bubble, or across the entire universe.
As a physics and mathematics enthusiast, just my 2c, but: I think that the Tagia is a kind of mini-multiverse, where whole pocket-universe-bubbles with different laws of physics function like atoms. The native entities "biology" (if you can even call it that) works by reprograming the physical laws of these individual pocket-universes to make them interract in certain ways. 01-J is fixed in space but moves through time, so it will simply reprogram reality so that time is 3 dimensional (or 4 dimensional, or 10,000 dimensional...) so that it has more wiggle room. It is also insinuated that these entities are at the bottom of the food chain, the "grass" or "krill" that everything else feeds upon.
Just my interpretation but-
The story is set in the extreme far future. "Data Clusters" Are gigantic supercomputers powered by captures stars, possibly light-years in diameter. Each contains many simulated universes where most people (or perhaps "people" considering) live. Tagia cluster is a cluster that was running very exotic simulated universes with unusual physics. One of those contained created a virus that hijacked the cluster and made it start running increasingly exotic and incomprehensible universes. This eventually led to the Tagia cluster creating not just simulated universes, but a second, physically real universe in parelel to this one, linked to ours by the Tagia.
"You" is an entity, originating in the Taiga cluster who left before everything fell apart, ending up in a second cluster called "The british sea". It's superiors send it into the Taiga to report back on what it finds. The entities beyond Taiga notice the newcomer, and this sets into motion a chain of events that leads to them breaching into and remaking the real universe. But the scout somehow survives the cataclysm, and wanders the ruined universe without purpose.
Parts of this are extremely reminiscent of the intro to Egan’s “permutation city“
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I understood none of this :)
Funny words, magic man. Me likey
That is a fascinating interpretation
This and the Monument Mythos are probably my favorite analog horrors since they are less direct horror and more of a surrealist’s interpretation of horror!
Or just shitposting the creator thought up while high and made it with horror lol
@@DinoRicky shitposting is honestly just casual surrealism and I absolutely love that too!
So basically they are acid trip induced nightmares that the creator got so petty about it wanted to share only for said acid trip induced nightmare to become an acid trip itself, essentially fueling itself which somehow i feel like is in line with this series.
im not sure whats with the monument mythos but i could not sleep for like a week after watching it. its not even that scary idk why
@@ginnogianni1980 it makes you think a lot, that’s why I couldn’t sleep, mostly trying to connect dots in my head.
"Yeah my cat loves people" *The cat*
27:58 isn't the Milky Way galaxy. I haven't seen anyone else point this out but it's a galaxy known as the "Sombrero Galaxy", a rather beautiful galaxy if you ask me. Just thought I'd point it out :)
and its right here :) also ty for mentioning that!! the galaxy is indeed super pretty
@@Sleepster i can agree
This is basically like: "I found a wire" cuts it and deletes something important "bro wtfuevdvfjfhchhfhghfhfhfyhfhfhfhfgfhfhh" dies
"Yo wtf hapepehrhejhrisbejtksnrnrmjseheiennd *ded* "
Police: 911 how can i help you sir
Me: my cat ain't catting
the cat deleted numbers 😔
@@flipaclipnews"Oh come on"
Well, it is catting, it's just doing it at an intertemporal and beyond cosmic scale.
I always get me thinking about "what if the universe and it's laws are just consistent coincidences?"
The giant cat simply hasn’t destroyed math yet because it’s simply too lazy too and our mathematics are simply convenient even if they are wrong.
A realm of fantasy where all magic and mythos are statistical anomalies of quantum phenomena coincidentally syncing with our conscience desires creating a realm of false fantasy, populated by beings fooled by nature within a timeline of fragile probabilities
The realm of Mythos and magic are simply a fragile place of chances and wills. The desire to perform are coincidentally synced with the statistical outliers of quantum phenomena fooling the conscious of their stability on a scale of fragile probabilities.
Deceived by correlation, worshipping a false causation...
Magic
@@aaronlopez5163 how does that thing look like a cat to you
They technically are, the chance of you or me stopping to exist, or anything, even outside natural law is non-zero. Which means it can happen, the probability is just incomprehensibly small, but never zero, I could go on a rant and name examples but I feel you can look into it. It is part of the second law of thermodinamics.
"the battle of the gODS lasted a fraction of an instant.
They did not even realize They no longer existed.
Their cREATION was Their doom, the cREATOR's doom.
as just a mere painting of the Infinite from the bLIND nonexistent view of iTS.
Nothing is out of oUR reach.
The Physical Impossibility of Non-existence in the Existence of something Existing.
Before the jump, the celebration orbs were sent, now working as cREATOR'S last echoes."
Probably the most kick ass thing ever written.
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@@creativeevil1369
Correct, this is a comment
good job
Yes @@creativeevil1369
@@creativeevil1369oh my god it is...
@@creativeevil1369 No way
Oh man, the red pixels in my monitor are getting a workout with this video
side note: I love how the pfp of the series creator is their own version of Pixi-Gags adhd cat
"Dear math.... why don't you solve your own problems "
Math: "Allow me to explain in a 1 hour and 8 seconds video as i am being erased."
Small note- The Laniakea Supercluster, mentioned alongside Milkdromeda, is a real thing. It's the galactic supergroup that contains the Milky Way, and like a hundred thousand other galaxies. It's sort of the last stop on scale before you hit galactic filaments, the largest structures in the universe, and the observable universe itself. We're definitely supposed to think that human scales were involved at some point along the chain of expansion here.
Finally, I had been waiting for someone to cover Unorthodox Kitten!
My favorite episode is Infinity, Singularity and The Rapture. There's something fun about how the formation and development of timelines and universes is compared to the evolution of species, with them living in an ecosystem of sorts where they feed on a base energy source, that being Model-00, prey on each other, each other, and reproduce.
same, i just stumbled upon that channel without understanding anything, and finally someone covers this channel
@@leilaclarridge5807 same here
I just straight up took the entire idea of the models and stuff for my own work of fiction. They will not be plot relevant or even included outside of worlbuilding for bullshit cosmology, but it's still fun :D
RE-WHAT
my brain is too smooth for this.
Garfield broke the fabric of reality
>get data cluster
>look inside
>math
> ew_math.mp4
> remove the concept and existence of math for lols
> everyone dies
> wtf.wav
This series is funny. I think Principia Mathematica by Bertrand Russell and Alfred North Whitehead is an influence on the series. Essentially the book sought to use logic to prove mathematics without the use of actual math.
One aim of the three volume book was to resolve certain mathematical paradoxes.
This series seems like it takes a lot of its story from axiomatic attempts to recreate math on the basis of logic.
Edit: my first comment was before I got to the 10 minute mark of your video. This series is making me laugh. Model zero is the null data set.
Thank you for making this video. I need to go to sleep and only made it about 15 minutes in but this series is fun. Thanks for taking the time to make a video about this.
Edit 2: I think that the models are taking influence from imaginary numbers.
The idea of a null set being a virus is funny.
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Wait why is it funny
@@captainsawbones math cat is an Erdrich horror. Just funny to me.
Ludwig Wittgenstein too.
honestly thats just something a cat would do if it had the chance
watch out
Oh
No
But a dog would do it in a moment of panic and not have the brains to understand what it did, leaving us all underwhelmed and unsatisfied AND dead.
need to restrain the cat
@@tonyvega1705let the cat destroy geonetry just don’t let it touch physics. Physics is fun but geometry can go nonexist in the endless void for all I care.
@yourdemiseishere Obviously the Dog God will reverse everything at the end of the series and fight the Cat, whoever wins, we might be screwed.
So far this is more surreal than scary in my opinion
This sounds a lot like it's based off Time Cube, which you should totally look up
The horror makes the math less horrifying that’s why.
honestly i'm here for analog surrealism
Honestly I find this horrifying
I didnt see you covering it, but there are several hidden playlists with more uploads that show more sides and aspects of this world.
And i found the academic papers to be much more world building than actual necessary math to be solved, especially with the taiga explorations.
what are those hidden ones?
😮
@@altair-tf8fp0 iteration
Cycles?, Superstructures?, giant computers?, Random Gods? Seeing this way beyond your understanding? Why does this keep reminding me of something.
Transcendental Inversion! Transcendental Inversion!
get out of my head!
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
Are there lizards here
If computer code is a universe, this would be what would happen when the system crashes.
So this IS real. I saw the last video once while very sick and forgot about it for a few days, I suddenly remembered but tried as I might I could never find it again, I searched through all videos in my history but it was gone. Suddenly your video appeared and made me relieved that I'm not crazy.
I absolutely love cosmic horror that has to do with fabric of existance in the physical sense. I do enjoy lovecraft and the philisophical view of reality, but as a person studying quantum mechanics and specifically possible sterile or oscillating neutrinos (those pesky little things) the idea of non-existence being a viral spreading plauge is simply too realistic to not find basis in being afraid. (Ie, false vacuum state, omega voids, higgs field balance shift, ect) can theoretically happen, but we see it as way too hard. But the idea of it technically being possible and we aren’t the first things to do it is so amazing. I love it.
Antimatter? Nah, we here are exotic matter annhialation mfs
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This is my bread and fucking BUTTER hell yeah cosmic horror with congruent and actually researched or at least speculatively congruent with scientific theory style consequences!!! The comic I've been working on for years now's whole cosmology is shit like this I LOVE IT
okay i'm 10 minute in and so far, to the point were i'm slightly wigged out, this horror series uncannily feels like a in universe pov of my comic's cosmological scale, just replace math and the concept of death
INCLUDING SOMEHOW the implication of what to me looks like a witch. This shit is wild. like UNCOMFORTABLY similar and all of this is just in my on head and on papers
NOT EVEN A MINUTE PAST AND THE USAGE OF ABSOLUTE & it's actually so fucking cool i like fully understand what's being said and im just left fuckin' WIDE EYED
okay we're finally getting into big differences, this is like Cellular God theory stuff which is still so cool
@@YeetSpace Bro is tweaking with excitement
this is my first math-induced panic attack since high school
Ah, yes.
*Geometry comes back to haunt me.*
This reminds me of project palisade from the SCP universe, the TLDR of it that The foundation keeps making new universes as a sacrifice to "The Threat" to keep it from destroying the prime one and at the end it is revealed that the thing destroying universes, ripping realities asunder, is nothing more than a thrown stone, one of the weaker weapons used by being infinitely more powerful than us. It was a stone thrown in a war that used nukes (comparatively) and the stone missed and just happened to land near the Foundations timeline
Gege! No! Don't mess with the fabric of reality! Please! Yuji has had enough!
glassbreak.mp3
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYKYKUHN.UJ (math removed)
Bro 💀💀💀
💀 💀 💀
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My speculation:
I'ts a story about humanity becoming so advanced they accidentally erase themselves,.... In ALL connotations, physically, temporally, and even conceptually.
Worse, their own creations erased the concept of space-time and eventually.... existence. One evidence was when those "Taiga" constructs travelled back to 1924 and rendered humanity.... non-existent.
Humanity is NOT the main character. Not even in real life.
11:30 considering the overarching theme of math being deleted i think what the "mathdeleters" wanna show here is how the virus of math "spreads" by causing more and more dependencie onto one another and how if this chain of causality is interrupted everything that was ever derived from it breaks. Down. Imagine how fundermentally our laws of math would suddenly change if somehow 2 x 2 = 5 is suddenly true.
What is mend here is that, take 2 x 2 that is = 4. That means now if i mention 4 and using 4 it is always linked to equasion. It creates a net of causality. But if 2 x 2 somehow is changed to 5 than does 4 x 1 also = 5? Does it still equal 4? what about -2 x -2? Is it 5 now? what if it isnt? So many fundermental rules of math can be broken so easily by just doing benine things like allowing you to devide by 0, removing irrational numbers, bringing imaginearies into existence.
Id also like to mention that the mention of the "set from where you once came" is interesting. Its a paradoxical question that sometimes philosophers will ask about math "Does a set of all things contain itself" (A set is a sequence of numbers, it can also contain other sets, you can effectively, if you are granual enough, describe anything as a set) so i think was this implies here is that if a set of everything (the universe) contains itself it becomes infinitely spiralling downwards. Because once it contains itself it is new, but than it needs to contain that new set too, and that set too at infinitum. What if humanity or the entire universe of humanity is just the result of these infinitely spiralling sets upon sets.
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The fact that there are so many spelling mistakes makes your comment more credible lol
@@thecatreturns22 i wrote my comment at 3 in the morning. I wanted to edit it but i got the heart and dont wanna lose it :(
@@thecatreturns22 Dammit Jim, he's a mather not a poet!
Bringing imaginary numbers into reality? Reminds me of something hollow and purple
Baldi is tweaking on how some cat deletes math from existence
This is genuinely the most artistically pleasing analog horror I’ve ever seen
My personal theory about the lamp people is that they might be outside from outside our taiga entirely, merely observers from some place even further away, trying to study the peculiar entities that have appeared upon our Taiga.
It would add another layer of irony to this story that despite all of our mistakes in creating those larger than existence entity, we are still showing our hubris by believing our creation to be the the greatest, and most terrible things to ever exist, when to the observers, they are merely an interesting novelty in a tiny spec of their own reality.
“Remember! Reality's an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold! Bye!”
That one eyed cat is bill cipher. This just looks like something that he would do alongside painful chaos and Weirdmageddon
Maybe it being a cat is a schrodingers cat reference?
EDIT: I was not far into the video when I said this. I still think the schrodinger's cat theory still maybe has a part to play, but I wouldn't call them cats. But this was much weirder than I expected before it was over. (I am very stupid though).
if math got deleted idk what would prevent me from going absolutely insane
Relatable
to be fair math has already made some people insane
Seed talking about horror beyond our understanding
Me: haha where kitty
"lets go ahead and watch this video" *cuts to an add* "level up your gaming place with displate"
wow what a nightmare fueling, lore dripping video
Jon: GARFIELD, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?!?
Garfield: I hate maths, Jon, *so I deleted it.*
Jon: YOU KILLED EVERYBODY IN THE UNIVERSE!!
Garfield: Oh you poor thing, do I look like the type of feline that'll care about a single puny universe? No. The deed has been done now. AND YOU CANNOT EVER REVERSE IT, *_J O N A T H O N A R B U C K L E_* , FOR EXISTENCE...
*N O L O N G E R E X I S T S*
Plot twist: Garfield committed his sin of non-existence on a Monday. Since no other days of the week exist, Garfield is now trapped in a hell of his own creation. Cue laugh track.
Math in the plural, but then referring to it in the singular. British not even once lel
@@wren_. At least he never has to deal with the problems of a Monday.
Business majors: uuuuh that’s baaad? I think
Math and physics majors: AH FUCK OH GOD
Alternative title: what 8-year-old kids think math is like in high school
7th grade math: Alright, it’s time to learn how to graph slopes!
8th grade honors math:
Ngl as a data scientist and slight math nerd, i quite enjoyed this. Thanks for showcasing!
FINALLY! I came across this series a while back and was absolutely astounded by the sheer existential dread it made me feel, yet i understood absolutely nothing about it. It's so glad to finally see someone make a video essay about it
one thing i noticed was the mention of an anti expansion device which implies a MUCH later timeline. my interpretation is that heat death has begone with all matter expanding away from each other. thus why a device would be required to stop a star and its sounding civilization from breaking apart down to the atomic level and being scattered. this would also explain why humanity was afraid of its infinitely finite end in that the end of the universe via heat death is not a stop and all but instead a infinite existence in which Nothing changes, happens, or is observed.
While I don't have anything definitive or cohesive, I'd like to put forth some stuff I've noticed.
In the very first video, the narrator mentions that the Taiga is something that is "permanently isolated, shielded from external existence". External existence would imply "outside of existence" or "beyond existence", which ties into the series' pretty heavy focus on existence and non-existence. Furthermore, when they get into terminology, it is divided into external terminology and internal terminology. The external terminology seems to relate to how these unnamed outsiders will define certain data about the Taiga, whereas internal terminology deals with things inside the Taiga as supposed to the outside (this delineation probably isn't significant, but might be noteworthy). Perhaps the narrator and we, the audience, are in some sort of state of non-existence.
In "Everything is Happening at the Same Time", I've always taken the first part where the view is continuously zooming out as a showcase of the parts that make up the whole that is the "creatures" we see in the Taiga. Just like the genetic information and the numerous enzymes and macromolecules that makes up living beings, our universe makes up the units that constitute much grander beings. Anything that "exists" is part of this Taiga data construct, and anything that is nonexistent must live beyond it.
The paper linked in "The External Reality of Finiteness" actually has a clean (no marks or "data corruption) version which you can find if you just look up "partially complete mobile interpretation method", belonging to a certain Interpretation Department of the "Research Center in the X". If I had to guess, these beings in the state of nonexistence are peering into what does exist (the Taiga) and trying to understand it for whatever reason. Perhaps to remove them and anything that exists as was alluded to in the description of the first video. The only other supporting evidence I have that some of this is presented from this "nonexistent point of view" is that one hidden video starts with the phrase "Intrusion-Resistant Anti-Information Presentation", which feels very fitting for a group that wants to maintain this "existential silence"
Speaking of which, there are hidden videos/playlists if you go to Unorthodox Kitten's playlists. "0th iteration" has two videos, and the second video in the playlist has a link to another playlist titled "Ein Sof", which contains another two videos. "Ein Sof" is significant, as "OHR EIN SOF" was thrown around various times, such as in the first public video and another video in the 0th iteration and the Ein Sof playlist. The term originates from the Kabbalah, an esoteric method and school of thought in Jewish mysticism. I can't really tell you what it means since I'm only just starting to look into this myself, but I can see why it might have to do with the series, given the heavy mentions of these "painters" and "gods" that the video descriptions so like to refer to.
Probably not narratively important, but I thought it was interesting that the data constructs that were mentioned are named "Taiga" and the "British Sea". It reminded me of an old Soviet patriotic song that had the line "But from the Taiga to British seas". Probably a coincidence, but it could just be a fun little nod to the song.
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That song is definitely relevant. What is this song?
I'm extremely unqualified to make any claims of knowledge about Kabbalah, but as far as I'm aware, EIN SOF is what those who practise Kabbalah call the original form of god before he even created himself / the godhead. In other words, it's the infinite nothing before god as can be understood came to form.
From there irrc essentially that nothingness withdrew itself in an act of creation of "not nothing", which eventually kicks off Tzimtzum and thus begins the birth of the conciousness of god, which knocking down the sephirot which afaik is mostly god coming to understand itself, eventually ending up with the creation of the Earth, Malkhut.
However as I say, I've watched only a few videos on the subject and while interesting to even slightly understand it I feel you need to speedrun several hundred years of extremely esoteric jewish thought of the unknowable
@@Braindouchedotnet White Army Black Baron or the Red Army is the Strongest
I imagine this cat is beyond the tiering system
was waiting for this analog horror to be covered by someone. it's amazing
“Entity derives infinite times” so do people, so do cells. It’s called reproduction.
believe it or not we do not derive infinitely
@@walterk9916 skill issue
Neither of those have hit infinity
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genetic information is lost during reproduction so no
im sorry-
cat-like?
that's one weird lookin cat dawg.
I might sound crazy but there is a novel that was written after the Three Body Problem trilogy was written that involved some crazy alternate dimension stuff where some characters were able to travel in and out of different times and places throughout the universe. The thing that really got me thinking about the series is that in one scene a character is watching a civilization fall while he is watching from above in his 'doorway' as it was described. It was also told from the perspective of the civilization for a while and the character watching was said to only be a silhouette with a hat. I haven't actually finished the novel but it is called The Redemption of Time.
Read the novel, it's good
Damn, I read the original trilogy but never cared to get to Redemption of Time cause I've heard some say it's not necessarily canon to TBP, and doesn't have the same vibe, but from that description you gave I am picking it up RIGHT now
I find it really funny how they basically just made a really roundabout way to explain functions with a notation that doesn’t really make sense unless “B” is the fundamental building block of the concept of “A”, and then it gets really funny because neither B nor A is a mathematical concept unless you were to try to define it as such. It’s just using basic math to explain the causality of complexity.
Tldr : Put simple stuff together become complex stuff.
And then don’t ask me anything after that cuz it’s out of my syllabus
Really interesting, sometimes the videos are hard to understand, but you guide us through them perfectly!
I really love this series. The art is beautiful and the music is so incredibly fitting it’s amazing. I also want to mention at the beginning, (sometime in the unnarrated part of the first video) there was a rotating Tesseract in perspective, which is basically a geometric body(?) that is in the 4th dimension. It comes from taking your average cube, doubling it and combining the points that are on the same location. I love that attention to detail from the artist.
(5) Before I forget, this more than touches on ideas of Chaos, Order and their relationships. Take the concept of "From Chaos, comes Order" and more importantly now, it's inverse - From Chaos Comes Order. The idea that all choatic systems eventually collapse on themselves into an Orderly system. Orderly systems eventually break down into chaos too. The very point of The Big Bang is Order - think of it as 'too tightly compact' - turning into chaos - and then as stars formed and galaxies and planets yadda yadda yadda - and we get an orderly based universe with chaotic aberrations here and there which - in theory - they themselves collapse into order. What happens when Order is the Abberation? Order reacts to chaos by becoming more Orderly. If They exist/don't exist in a realm of chaos - no mathematical systems - then the introduction of Order - which spreads - like a virus through disorder.
"Chaos, Order"
*JUDGEMENT*
@@acastlecreator Crap! I promised I'd finish this! They drop the squid.
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*THY END IS NOW*
Everyone dies? No more math? A giant cat initiating all of it? This is an absolute win!
49:30 I’d like to think that this is what the outside perspective looks like, having the outsiders imploding the universes under the parasites control, then watching if anything survived “this time”, basing this off the fact that the model was apparently shocked by the universe root (what I’m calling the funny cube and stick) actually returned to a physical state but glowing, then having it make an attempt to escape (given by the fact that it didn’t shift in time, instead moving hurriedly away since the axis of time doesn’t exist outside of existence)
about your math with the date, thats not 1924. if you take the system then convert it to a 12 month system, heres what you get
so first, take the 1924, multiply by 360 and then 60. thats 41 558 400 days.
now, divide this by 365.2421 for the year, which comes out to 113783.15917, which then converting the .15917 back to days is 58, or the very end of feburary. feb 27.
this means this war actually begins not in the 38th century or so, but february 27 113783, or the 1137th century. thats why that pyramid thing is complete and whatnot
Have you seen the "0th iteration" playlist? There's more videos that you haven't talked about. There's also a playlist in the info cards of those videos.
I always took that as non-canon and a way of saying “this was the first attempt and is unlisted and here for archival purposes”
@@atonedudeatsnotsubscribed8313 The second video on the playlist "0th iteration" was added after the last of the public ones was published, so it's very likely canon.
If I had to guess, the date from the third video is arcminute/degree/galactic year. One galactic year is the time it takes the sun to orbit the galaxy's center, or around 225 million earth years, with degrees being one 360th of the orbit and arcminutes being 1/60th of a degree. Assuming Milkdromeda galactic years are the same length as Milky Way galactic years and the calendar starts when the galaxies collide, The External Reality of Finiteness occurs in approximately 437.4 billion years, and Existence No Longer Exists in 462.7 billion years. My ballpark estimate for this series is between 100 billion and 1 trillion years from now. This timeframe could also explain why the galaxies in the videos are red, as only red dwarf stars would exist that far into the future.
unfortunately, i can't really be scared by cosmic horror like this. it's so far beyond my comprehension that my brain checks out, and i just stop being scared. it's really cool, but not scary. an example of cosmic horror that i DO find scary, would be Gemini home entertainment. partly because the cosmic threat in that series manifests via more tangible smaller threats. it's easier for me to comprehend, and thus scarier.
props to the cameraman for transcending all planes of existence, time, comprehensibility, reality, concepts, space. and mathematical existences just to film this analog horror
these titles just get stranger and stranger and stranger
I'm so glad that someone made a video bout the series!
It reminds me of the time I couldn’t fall asleep and was thinking about time-space and mind stuff. Even though I myself displease materialism and adore theorising a lot I have to admit that even my biggest conceptual experiments in world-building and just general in-mind time-space tomfoolery is absolutely dwarfed by terminology, irrational rationality and complexness of concepts covered in the presented videos.
Kitten, amazing job
Never thought I’d hear Patrick Bateman talk about Mathematical Improbability for an Hour.
In some sort of weird ironical way the jazz music does fit the analog horror part of this 5:35
Not jazz
@cringcring7175 my fault what genre is it in out of curiosity
The specific use of "Taiga" and "British Sea" reminded me of the Soviet song The Red Army Is the Strongest
just in case anyone is wondering, the song playing at 22:06 is "C2 - misplaced in time" by the caretaker
For your information, C2 - Misplaced in Time" by The Caretaker sampled George Olsen's "Lullaby of the Leaves". And, George Olsen's "Lullaby of the Leaves" is the song that is playing that that specific timestamp.
OMG YEAH
God: "Okay cat, I'm gonna put you down for just a second, because I'm working on my second project. Don't touch the universe"
This is astonishing. I would have to write everything out and read everything to fully grasp the concepts. But this is some of the best horror on the platform.
My interpretation is that this is an attempt at interpreting us (humanity) from the point of view of an entity existing outside of our existence.
With this viewpoint, Model 00 is the ability to abstract/imagine/think of things that do not exist.
Then Model 01 is belief/faith/god as a concept of mankind. It exists because it has existed. Growing from other faiths and belief and reaching a point where it stands "alone" and then branching into more variations of itself as more interpretations emerge.
I also have another similar interpretation that would take into account the idea that Model 00 is omnipresent throughout the data cluster, the various mentions of infinity, of creators and of an infinite non-existence.
In this interpretation, this takes place far into the future. We (humanity) have reached for infinity and eternity but we lost ourselves, leaving behind either shells of ourselves or creation that emulate our abstraction/interpretation of the world, but without a something that makes us alive. It only leave a universe filled with silent machine, unthinking algorithms that go through the steps without seeing existence. An empty ballroom filled with dancing automatons without thoughts or consciousness and with no one to see them dance. The universe no longer dreaming of itself for there is no more dreamers.
EDIT: Fun fact, I went and watched the series on the channel before coming back and commenting, only then did I go ahead and watch the video so I now see some of the things I said were mentioned lol.
What I want to know is how this creator was able to capture my dreams in explicit detail
damn this giant cat boutta save every student on the face of the planet
Tf you mean those students will face the wrath of sloth to existence 😭💀🙏
It's also interesting to note how cryptic the channel discription is, I think it may make more sense once some of the main concepts of the series are fully confirmed and grounded.
Honestly I love this a lot. Probably my new favorite horror series. This just got my math brain going lol.
The visuals to me are really amazing. Tons of effort into these amazing and sometimes beautiful and scary visuals.
I have my own interpretations of this.
In that first video it appears that the narrator is giving axioms (proven things) about the creation of reality and how universes and how the finite got created from the infinite. We see stuff like branching universes, time intersections and even stuff like structure and cause and effect.
A lot of the logical stuff and notations in that first video appear to loop in on themselves (such as the powers of concepts infinitely leading to the same entity). All and all it appears that it is a whole complex and nearly incomprehensible logical explanation of reality and how the infinite leads to finite. Can’t help but realize how similar some of these models are to tree data structures in computer science.
I think what’s is happening is that humans are attempting to escape the finite and enter the infinite and in doing so, end up making something is way greater than what humanity couldn’t have predicted.
It’s kinda like that “stare into the abyss, it stares back” saying lol.
I also just can’t help but get Kabbalah feelings. The whole point of Kabbalah is trying to explain how the infinity of god (ein sof) created the finite material world and how we can connect back to god. It’s super interesting to think about in the context of all this.
I should clarify I haven’t looked into this series too too much, this is just my initial stuff lol.
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You are right about the Kabbalah bit
27:58 is actually the "Sombrero Galaxy" not the Milky Way. I haven't seen anyone else point this out so I thought I should :) The galaxy is rather beautiful if you ask me. This is my second comment since I think my previous one didn't send, but if it did then now you know why I sent two identical comments.
Oh your second commend *_did_* send, I read it before this one!
yeah your first comment sent!
Analog horror when: ghosts, virus, paranormal and etc.
Analog horror now: math
So, feel free to tell me that I'm way off, but please give me a moment to relay my interpretation of what's going on at 9:42
Imagine an almond.
You've never seen it before. You've never seen it, or anything like it, ever before.
But, you've seen this other thing.
Which is kind of like a cashew, which is kind of like a pistachio, which we believe came from a tree(?).
Trees, are these things that grow out of the ground. Kinda like grass, which is kinda like corn, which is kind of like the hedge. (?)
A hedge is like a tree, has a kinda similar root structure, and both have green leaves. (?)
Leaves are~
...
and so on, and so forth.
Here, the almond (A) is like the cashew (b) which is like a pistachio (c)
Which we can cross reference to trees (D), which we believe is related to B, and C.
For further reference, that's related to grass, (E) related to corn (F), related to a hedge (G)
A hedge is like a tree (referenced as as D)
Etc, etc, etc
In conclusion: If you're so inclined, you *could* use numbers instead of letters.
Both are trying to describe "wtf almond?", "is nut?" but are using different methods to get there.
I thought this would be a horror documentary of a virtual world that made sense but was knocked over by a cat. Causing the rules of logic in the virtual world to break down.
18:10 Modul's are hard to explain but you can imagine them as a set off Vectors directions. This entity seams to just be able to "add" vectors to an existing Modul within the Datecluster (probably our universe) id assume this is to avoid the previous entity: since they are immobile their vectors are fixed and cant move except time. Meaning that if you create a new vector that is no where this entity is than you can permanently avoid it since you can never possible reach you. Lets start with 2 dimensions:
Predator A is on X=5 and can move freely on Y
Predator B is on Y= 5 and can move freely on X
You are trapped right? If time dosnt matter you would be toast.
So what do you do? you create Z, a new "Vector" in the Modul to avoid both.
But now some Predator appears that can move on Z, well dam it: time to create T, now some predator is fixed on the others and can move freely on T, dam it time to create the next and on and on creating infite vectors to move in.
It just so happens that we, humans, are able to move on vector X, Y and Z, and are stuck on the downslobe T(time) but unlike that specific thing we cant just create a new vector. We cant just: go back in time, to avoid ever stepping on a certain place. And if there is such an entity anywhere on a T spot. like idk T = 3000. And you can only ever go forwards on T than eventually you will reach the spot where your predator is waiting. Unless ofcourse, again you can literally create a new direction.
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This reminds me of that mathematical question named the Angel Problem/Angels and Devils game
@@Mediocreinput never saw you comment it is actually quite similar indeed! Just that the devil is able to just go: up, and than through time, and tvan also through parralel dimensions and tha- (and so on and so on)
If something beyond me told me I didn't exist I just wouldn't have their shit and wouldn't be more scared . I exist and have a consciousness from my point of view and it seems the people around me also do, so it just seems like gatekeeping bullshit tbh
gatekeeping?
@@scrungyeah gatekeeping existing
@@marigold2257 i guess so lmfao
cogito ergo sum core
Casually dropping a gargantuan spoiler for 3bp is insane man.
I don't know if it's of any import, but the names "Taiga" and "The British Sea" seem to reference the Soviet song "The Red Army Is the Strongest". In its lyrics it mentions that "From the taiga to the British sea, the Red Army is the strongest", which could explain the absolute amount of red in these videos.
7:22 Somebody call the antimemetics division, it's happening again...
We have an antimemetics division?
@@Silverwind87 there is no antimemetics division
When you mentioned time travel, I thought about how cool time is as a concept, it has been a witness to all of history whats even cooler is the fact that mathematics as a whole is a timeless subject, concepts and ideas in mathematics known and derived by ancient mathematicians hundreds and even thousands of years ago can still be relevant to this current age and will be in the far future as well. In a way, in order for future humans to help humans in the past combat such incomprehensible enemies they had to bring their future knowledge (mathematics) back to the past to educate their ancestors on how to properly deal with them
0:07 ED-BUTT
Also, new to the channel. hi
Ed balls
@@theseaarenaGDthe duality of man, ed balls or ed butt?
It say seed butter
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Let me be real with you, Seed. This fucked a lot of us up. Truly.
i love that these eldritch entities constantly emit smooth jazz