@@DJAUDITS You need an 'official' clipboard and a tick list , and tick off failure to identify , report to SIA ( out loud 😀 Don't forget a tick box for aggressive approach and lack of professionalism .
That chat with the SIA guy was one of the most informative clips I've seen. I work in the entertainment industry and run multiple events and I'm now going to expect much higher standards on displaying of the badges. I see so many not doing it and it has lead in several cases security acting unprofessionally. I'd rather pull them up over their badges than deal with some of the incidents I've seen. Fair play to guy for being so honest it's clared a lot of questions I've had up.
The guy didn't fully mention the display, he should have said it's a criminal offence to act as security without a valid SIA license, if caught this way then the fine and potential prison will be followed, there is no criminal offence leading to this with not displaying it, also a member of the SIA or police can demand it, a joe bloggs cannot.
Oooooooo SIA. 🤣 May i just add, your coverage off the local community protest outside the tip was truly inspirational and some of the finest citizen journalism i have ever seen. The way you interacted with the local community, the police and the tip employees was documentary worthy.👍
We don’t have to show you our ID. We have to display it, but we do not have to let you film it or photograph it. Meaning if you try to film it, we can cover the identifiable information. We are only required to show it to SIA officers, police officers and other agents acting in the enforcement under S19 of the PSIA 2001.
@@DJAUDITS totally you can and I’d have no problem with it, but it’s not part of the legal aspect of having to display it. You’re not *entitled* to the personal information people think they are from the SIA operatives.
This was a very interesting topic gathering information this guy was good great work DJ a lot of information gathering here and so useful that they can be reported for not wearing there badge everyone is accountable this should be interesting next time you meet up with a security guard or a PSCO 🤔
All you need to do now is , is bookmark this video and let Lawrence EDUCATE them about the offence they are committing ( handy that he has the SIA board behind him . A handy new tool for Auditors to educate the uneducated 😀
Lol you enjoyed that more than any other interaction I bet. Great interaction the guy was very informative and a great ambassador for SIA. I can see the point that security in some cases may be targets so his information was great to listen to and gave me something to think about.
Wow... I work as a security frontline too in-between my main career in singing and performing but i always love to help and talk to customers and public, but I can't express enough how many times I've told some security to display their badge and not hide it or turn it around because it's a criminal offence but most don't listen sadly. I have my top up course tomorrow 19th and 20th January 2023 and wasn't actually going to do it because my main life is performing but may aswell lol. This video is EXCELLENT to send to any security that think it's not a criminal offence to display their licence because I always display mine and even on my cctv license I do too. Anyway DJ Audits you are fantastic and I truly enjoy ya videos 😁 thank you!!! from Mark-antony Jones in Exeter, Devon a guy originally from Stoke-on-Trent lol but escaped to the south where it's warmer lol Keep doing ya videos 👍🤘
Wow! You have exposed a problem that so many people have with Security guards. Only your inquiring mind can do that. I really enjoy learning from you. Top man DJ!
The only reason, some security are tyrants as you have put it, are because of peaple like Dj or the nasty peice of crap Mark evens there are numerous others
More ammo for auditors to use. And when police refuse to do anything, yet another complaint to raise against them and serious too. Yes, they can use their discretion for minor stuff, but for a indictable offence it would be more dereliction of duty.
One of the conditions of holding an SIA licence is to have it on display. Contravening the licence conditions is a criminal offence under Section 9 of the Private Security Industry Act 2001. Punishments range from a written warnings to level 5 fines and 6 months in prison.
Private Security Industry Act 2001: S 9(4) -Any person who contravenes the conditions of any licence granted to him shall be guilty of an offence and liable, on summary conviction, to a term of imprisonment not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or to both. SIA Licence Conditions: If you hold a front line licence the conditions of this licence are: you must wear your licence where it can be seen at all times when engaging in designated licensable activity unless: - you have reported it lost or stolen - it is in our possession - the work you are doing requires that you not be identifiable as a licensed operative (see covert activity below)
@@mrjohnno Yes, but it was aggregated. The first step is a warning, then a fine, then imprisonment. Happens but is rare. Same is true for most regulators/ regulations.
I have been an SIA license holder for 21 years and it Security Manager for around half that time and I have never seen an SIA auditor or investigator in all that time so I wouldn't hold my breath bud.
I currently hold a door supervisor license and a close protection license and you do have to display your license if you are working in the public eye, however if you are working on a close protection detail you don’t. But all security staff if on duty do have to have their license on them at all times. Great video.
Hi DJ, this expedition to the NEC has been an absolute goldmine for you!, this one in particular shows just how sensible well trained and well informed staff can and do behave in a perfectly agreeable manner and answer all your questions properly. The central issue that occurs to me is that the fundamental problem resides with the company management and the standards of security guard training, to some extent it is wrong that only the staff on duty get the bad publicity, the managers should be held to account. While I am on the case it is my intention to call that Woolpit firm tomorrow, I will look up their phone number and ring them in the morning, if anything of real interest comes through I shall send you a message and if so motivated will also join you on your next audit. Cheers Richard.
@@zigzagtoes Hi zigzagtoes, thank you very much for such a well thought out comment, when I read what you have written I see such a clear picture of the reality you describe, the cascade of unintended consequences that ensue when the higher echelons of management neglect their own responsibilities to such a degree, the underlying concept seems to be that it does not matter what subcontractors do or say as long as ones own life is not disrupted and the minimum of money is being spent. The other side of the coin of course is the poor undertrained and underpaid 'security' staff, the only people that will apply for this type of work will be those who cannot find anything better to do and also subscribe to the concept of 'security' in the first place, to some extent this is a factor that gets overlooked by the rest of us, it is certainly not taken into account during the recruitment and training phase, the fact that they are so willing to throw their weight into it is considered an advantage rather than an issue to be controlled, the fact that they can all more or less rely on the compliance of the general public means that they only effective regulatory mechanism is this style of public auditing and long may it last!. As it happens one of the fundamental mechanisms in the management of the human nervous system is the way in which the 'sympathetic' and the 'parasympathetic' arms of the nervous system work more or less 'against' each other, one speeds up the heart rate the other slows it down, between them they regulate the whole system in a very flexible and effective way, this sort of 'antagonistic' management could be very useful in the wider context of public life. Cheers, Richard.
Fantastic information and great professionalism from SIA. Pretty sure we'll be seeing these put into practice in everyone's audits from this point forward. Well done DJ !
the only people to whom you are required to show your badge or provide details of your full name when asked are: the Police SIA officers those to whom the SIA has given authority under Section 19 of the Private Security Industry Act (typically, these will be licensing officers from local councils). Although members of the public have the right to request that you show them your licence, you are not obliged to show it to anyone other than those listed above. Certainly NOT required to show it to a fool with a camera who is trying to provoke a reaction. At this point the fool will likely whine “failing to identify” Did anyone ever find out why Martin Blabberer lost his SIA badge????
It's good to know that at least the official body seem to take this seriously.. Hopefully they have the time and resource to investigate complaints / concerns so that the standards are upheld..
An Sia licenced operative has absolutely zero requirement to allow a member of the public to see their licence and details. It has to be overtly worn but under no circumstances does Joe public have the right to check it. Only the Sia, licencing or police have that right.
Found this earlier I used to hold a SIA badge and it was always on show but this was on the .gov site ..... 1. Request Do I need to have my SIA licence displayed with the picture, name and SIA number on show or can I turn it around round and have the back of it showing and only show the ‘sensitive’ information to those authorised to see the licence? If a member of the public requests my full name am I obligated under law or code of conduct to provide the details? 2. Response The information you have requested is exempt under section 21 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000, as the data is readily accessible within the public domain. However, for ease of reference I will provide a detailed response for the following information: Do I need to have my SIA licence displayed with the picture, name and SIA number on show or can I turn it around round and have the back of it showing and only show the ‘sensitive’ information to those authorised to see the licence? As I’m sure you are aware, it is a condition of your licensed status that you wear the licence where the front can be seen at all times when engaging in designated licensable activity unless you have reported it lost or stolen, or it is in our possession. The exceptions to this are if you can demonstrate that the nature of that conduct on that occasion requires that you should not be immediately identifiable as someone engaging in such conduct. On such occasions you must carry your licence on you and be able to produce it on request. This allows store detectives or close protection operatives to perform licensable activities without the need to be identifiable. This cannot apply to vehicle immobilisers. If a member of the public requests my full name am I obligated under law or code of conduct to provide the details? In answer to your question of whether you are obligated under law or code of conduct to provide the details of your full name, the only people to whom you are required to show your badge or provide details of your full name when asked are: the Police SIA officers those to whom the SIA has given authority under Section 19 of the Private Security Industry Act (typically, these will be licensing officers from local councils). Although members of the public have the right to request that you show them your licence, you are not obliged to show it to anyone other than those listed above. [Reference: FOI 0241]
Note that he admits that their priorities are: “assets, property and premises” before people. This is honest reporting. If you look up the legal meanings of assets, property and premises, you will find that humans cannot own assets, property or premises. Only corporate entities can own assets, property and premises. When bailiffs steal our possessions, they are classified as “goods”. The way to protect our possessions and expect the law to recognise our possessions, would seem to be by becoming corporations, or better yet, trusts. Just a thought. Either way, by admitting that the FIRST priorities of security staff are EVERYTHING OTHER THAN HUMAN BEINGS, we learn a great deal about how the real world works. We are classified as slaves, chattel, according to the system. That is not in any doubt. Peace
Re trusts that’s how the real wealth and power in this world are hidden. Those rich lists make me laugh. The most powerful & wealthy people on this plane do not put themselves on public offer.
Search on Dun and Bradstreet or Company House for public bodies such as a city or shire council name, a Police force name, etc. And then let your journey down the Rabbit hole of The Strawman begin ...
SIA licensing and rules were brought in to clean up a very dirty industry, often staffed by criminals and run by organised crime. In that regard and introducing standards of training, regulation and conduct it has generally been quite successful. Unfortunately not only do some of these security persons mistakenly not display the badge, as we see on channels like yours, they purposely attempt to cover it up. This makes a mockery of the system and they should be immediately struck off. Lawrence here is excellent.
@@Steves_fish I agree no bad thing at all. Thank goodness we are no longer in the 1980s when, for example, Paul Massey, crime head, ran half the doors in Manchester/ Stockport.
Lovely Audit DJ let's hope future interaction with SIA holders go well, but we need to remember just like any thing in life we will come across good & bad people no matter what profession they may work in, I hope the bad can be retrained & understand practices in the past are no longer accepted in today's society. Ignorance is no longer bliss.
That will put the s…s up some of these security staff that you come across on your travels. Gently tell them if they don’t display the badge they will be reported and can be charged under section 9 and could end up inside fir 6 months, it will be interesting to see the reaction of those that do not display the badge. Keep these well informed vids.
@@zigzagtoes I can agree that there are some very unscrupulous people out there that would like try and make use of a persons name for illegal means, for that yes you are correct. What does get me though that a hell of a lot of security fail to display them at all and think they do not have to. I have never ever agreed that a camera should zoom in to get the details of an SIA badge nor a coppers warrant card, however when asked to show it upon demand then yes they should. A decent auditor would not publish the details of either and would not even picture or video it. What has to stop is failing to display it, as in PCSOs designation card should be produced on demand.
I would not mention it until the police arrive and then you can report it directly and aee what happens then and ypu can mention the police officers badge number iwhen you fill out the online form as a witness
Really enjoying your multiple "episode" videos now, gets your audience back same time next day to see what happens :) SIA - brilliant, you now have all the ammunition you could ever want for visiting locations. Can't wait to see your first interaction where section 9 is used. A very informative video as always and nice to see what the whole industry uses. Just as a side note, did you at least beat PJ's time on the race game? (if he had a go)
So I have one of these great fabulous badges and yes on display/well on/over the uniform unless a store detective or close protection(non uniform) however joe public is unlikely to get to see it closely/info and security guard will most likely say call the police to make a complaint or contact the venue managememt and/or security firm. Internal security for the likes of shops can have internal security and not require an SIA which is a massive bone of contention and from my own point of view if a premises requires a licence of any kind then an SIA person should be used and pushed through licencing requirements. Dont get me wrong the training is very,very basic but it something, however upgraded training and graded levels of security needs to go in line with pay and would most likely retain persons in the industry. The major problem Is the industry has a low retainment rate due to the nature of the job, poor training and progression possibilities and low pay rate.
Mr DJ, Growing up as a kid, my area was policed so bad, we never in our wildest dreams imagined Auditors could exist. The thought of not giving my full name during a stop could result in having something planted on me or they simply would just say I took a swing at them or getting a kicking in the back of the van for not complying. Camera phones changed the way my area (Toxteth) had been policed for 60 years. You have inspired me to start auditing but the fear of police interactions is deeply embedded in my mind. I will be the first auditor to be kicked to death on live stream :) pray for me :)
@@DJAUDITS I guess as you will have video evidence of the identity ( and the failure to identify) they will be forced to cooperate with SIA . All the more reasonable NOT to comply with requests/demands to shut the camera off . I look forward to future Audits where you wield this new 'weapon' and see their reaction , especially when you tell them that the footage of them failing to identify will form part of the report:)
A bit like the old tax disc. Has to be on display but your don’t have to take it out and present it to anyone. If they want to see it then they simply take their eyes to the licence 👍
This was a really good video👍Very informative indeed. You are adding so much value to your videos I can see your going to go far. Keep it up, thank you.
My ex employer used to have a security firm guard a facility, one of their employees didn't know how to use the toilet, he used to stand on the toilet seat, and squat to take a dump. He had believe it or not, an SIA Card.!!
just noticed on one of the papers you displayed on SIA actions which may be of less than professional standard., not necessarily working at his site, . this apparently applies even if "off duty!!"
Ultimately, a Security Officer or Door Supervisor can restrain/detain you if they have good reason. They have no more powers than the average Joe on the street (unless they are CSAS qualified) but as they are working as a professional they have to meet certain standards whilst doing so. Taking someones liberty is a very serious thing to do so everything he said is delivered in the first few days of training for a security license. You'll (almost) never see a Door Supervisor without a badge on display because they are far more likely to be inspected whilst working and more likely to have to detain or retrain someone. All security staff are aware that you can get their first initial and last name + licence number from the badge, that's why they hide it when an interaction goes Pete Tong. The SIA take genuine contraventions very seriously and all guards who are signed up to the email list get a monthly email which gives amongst other info details of recent successful convictions. Most of which are for people working with or providing staff without a valid license. The SIA is a good well meaning Home Office body, the problem always comes with the training and ability of the Officer.
The only thing I would say is, you assured him several times you would not say or publish his surname and you explicitly said you’d blur out his ID and you didn’t. Given he was very accommodating to you I think that was bad form on your part.
Funny how its always interpreted as 'sticking a camera in my face' even though it could be some safe distance away from their face, they always make it sound more threatening
We’ve always known it is a criminal offence not to display your badge but nobody does anything about it! The police used to do spot checks on doormen I’m my local area to ensure the doormen wore there’s, I do not know if this happens on general security guards but perhaps it should. Maybe be the security company held accountable for this offence…..
@DJ AUDITS, I think this guy was more than accommodating to your barrage of questions, And came through as a top employee. Too many audits make the working guy's you challenge look like they are the one Who implied such act. Just saying, as you did in this video, don't shoot the messenger 👌👌👌
The man in the video naively, and foolishly, makes the assumption that SIA "License Holders" are reasonably intelligent, committed professionals and not the 2 days "trained" min wage thickos that know absolutely nothing.
@@zigzagtoes You would hope top-flight/high-risk security personnel would be everything and more, and the 2 days "trained" SIA monkeys are sent to the shopping centres, covid test sites, pub/club doormen and wherever triple necks are required.
s19 of the Private Security Industry Act 2001 specifies that only a relevant person (licensing officer, SIA inspector or constable) can require a security staff to produce the SIA licence to him.
The reason why people don’t like to show their badge is because the SIA display the users surname as well. You can then put this into. The voting register and other types of public accessible register that then link to someone’s address. Also you can find their social media by finding their surname harass them online. Take their photos post about them online using their social media accounts.
What you do have to remember a lot of SIA badge holders are poorly trained and in a lot of businesses they will also be a cleaner . Mental health almost security industry professionals is very high too .
It's only a criminal offence to a person acting as security without a valid SIA license, not displaying it. Working without a license is a fine of £5000 which can lead to a prosecution/prison time. The guy in the vid should have mentioned this.
The Private Security Act 2001 is Law. But it is funny that you can't report a SIA Licence holder unless you know their name or their Licence Number lol. And try and call a copper to come and sort it out and hey presto the cop will have no idea what your talking about when you say an Act.
Legislation is ready on my phone files section and the employer of said person would be my first target to get it displayed or they would be assisting an offender 👍
@@robertsteen7034 If you come across a guard who does not furnish you with any identifying info how then would you go about filing a report about that individual ?
Great video mate👍👍, your videos literally came in handy this morning when I was taking videos with my Mini 2 at my revisit to Alexandra Palace. My daughter was with me, and a security guard came up to me and said you cannot film here. Firstly, he didn’t have his SIA badge on display, so I asked him to do so, also, he said that it was private grounds, so I said this place is publicly accessible, and there wasn’t any signs saying that I couldn’t video or take photos. He kept on saying it’s private and I would need permission to film. I just said ok, and…? Expecting him to say please can you go from the private ground, but he didn’t, so he just walked off, and I proceeded with my drone shots. Happy days. Thanks for all your videos, they really do help❤️👍👍
i declined a voluntary search by a security guard who wrongly suspected me of shoplifting the other. He forcibly prevented me from leaving the shop, searched my bag without my consent (found nothing) and then hid his badge from me. Compensation time.
Mate of mine was an SIA auditor for quite a while and he was always pulling them up for hiding their badges.
Wow, an SIA auditor actually exists? Amazing. Thanks for the comment ❤️
@@DJAUDITS There's a handful of them covering the country.
@@letmeoffthisplanet6208 very handy to know. Thanks ❤️
hiding the badge is fun lol
@@DJAUDITS You need an 'official' clipboard and a tick list , and tick off failure to identify , report to SIA ( out loud 😀
Don't forget a tick box for aggressive approach and lack of professionalism .
That chat with the SIA guy was one of the most informative clips I've seen. I work in the entertainment industry and run multiple events and I'm now going to expect much higher standards on displaying of the badges. I see so many not doing it and it has lead in several cases security acting unprofessionally. I'd rather pull them up over their badges than deal with some of the incidents I've seen. Fair play to guy for being so honest it's clared a lot of questions I've had up.
I am glad it has helped you and many others. We deserve maximum professionalism and that what the SIA badge stands for. 🙌
The guy didn't fully mention the display, he should have said it's a criminal offence to act as security without a valid SIA license, if caught this way then the fine and potential prison will be followed, there is no criminal offence leading to this with not displaying it, also a member of the SIA or police can demand it, a joe bloggs cannot.
How come half the sia licensed guards I see can hardly speak English and certainly have no understanding of our UK laws.
Diversity hiring...
Cheaper to employ.
for the same reason bureaucrats speak in gobbledygook, so that theres no accountability. and to keep wages down and alienate the public
Cheapness! You don't have to pay min wages to those that don't know?
PCSO’s not showing Designation Cards is a criminal offence under Section 42 of The Police Reform Act, but you won’t see any of them prosecuted either.
I think they have to show it on request as to have it on display. I could be wrong tho so don’t hate me 😅🙏😬👍
Blue line gang.
Oooooooo SIA. 🤣 May i just add, your coverage off the local community protest outside the tip was truly inspirational and some of the finest citizen journalism i have ever seen. The way you interacted with the local community, the police and the tip employees was documentary worthy.👍
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But an Sia holder dosnt have to show a member of the public their licence ..
Absolutely correct, we do not
Police and SIA can have our details. Public can’t.
Time to go back through the catalogue, start filling out the online Sia form and report those criminal offenders 😂😂
Only criminal caught in the act without a valid license, not displaying it
We don’t have to show you our ID. We have to display it, but we do not have to let you film it or photograph it. Meaning if you try to film it, we can cover the identifiable information. We are only required to show it to SIA officers, police officers and other agents acting in the enforcement under S19 of the PSIA 2001.
If we are quick we can film the licence which is on display 👍
@@DJAUDITS totally you can and I’d have no problem with it, but it’s not part of the legal aspect of having to display it. You’re not *entitled* to the personal information people think they are from the SIA operatives.
This was a very interesting topic gathering information this guy was good great work DJ a lot of information gathering here and so useful that they can be reported for not wearing there badge everyone is accountable this should be interesting next time you meet up with a security guard or a PSCO 🤔
All you need to do now is , is bookmark this video and let Lawrence EDUCATE them about the offence they are committing ( handy that he has the SIA board behind him .
A handy new tool for Auditors to educate the uneducated 😀
Lol you enjoyed that more than any other interaction I bet. Great interaction the guy was very informative and a great ambassador for SIA. I can see the point that security in some cases may be targets so his information was great to listen to and gave me something to think about.
I really liked the SIA dude, kudos to him
Wow... I work as a security frontline too in-between my main career in singing and performing but i always love to help and talk to customers and public, but I can't express enough how many times I've told some security to display their badge and not hide it or turn it around because it's a criminal offence but most don't listen sadly.
I have my top up course tomorrow 19th and 20th January 2023 and wasn't actually going to do it because my main life is performing but may aswell lol.
This video is EXCELLENT to send to any security that think it's not a criminal offence to display their licence because I always display mine and even on my cctv license I do too.
Anyway DJ Audits you are fantastic and I truly enjoy ya videos 😁 thank you!!!
from Mark-antony Jones in Exeter, Devon a guy originally from Stoke-on-Trent lol but escaped to the south where it's warmer lol
Keep doing ya videos 👍🤘
Wow! You have exposed a problem that so many people have with Security guards. Only your inquiring mind can do that. I really enjoy learning from you. Top man DJ!
This was so valuable DJ thank you so much. Every auditor needs to understand this and start reporting the tyrants. Take care
The only reason, some security are tyrants as you have put it, are because of peaple like Dj or the nasty peice of crap Mark evens there are numerous others
What a brilliant ambassador for the SIA people if all took a leaf out of his book there would be next to nothing for auditors to do.
More ammo for auditors to use. And when police refuse to do anything, yet another complaint to raise against them and serious too. Yes, they can use their discretion for minor stuff, but for a indictable offence it would be more dereliction of duty.
Spot on. I’m glad I had this chat with him 🙌
*DJ Audit is the sort of person to remind the teacher to collect everybody's homework at the end of the lesson*
It’s for the video mate. Audit means finding things 👍
And that person is doing the teacher and his colleagues a big favour.
@@martindicker2459 Not if they are pursuing academic excellence.
@@majorlaff8682 by being a snitch
@@sgrill11124 Or helping his colleagues complete their assigned tasks on time.
Dj Audit has just become a God of Auditors amongst security with that information. Sweet, lol. Great chuffing job.
One of the conditions of holding an SIA licence is to have it on display. Contravening the licence conditions is a criminal offence under Section 9 of the Private Security Industry Act 2001. Punishments range from a written warnings to level 5 fines and 6 months in prison.
Private Security Industry Act 2001: S 9(4) -Any person who contravenes the conditions of any licence granted to him shall be guilty of an offence and liable, on summary conviction, to a term of imprisonment not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or to both.
SIA Licence Conditions:
If you hold a front line licence
the conditions of this licence are:
you must wear your licence where it can be seen at all times when engaging in designated licensable activity unless:
- you have reported it lost or stolen
- it is in our possession
- the work you are doing requires that you not be identifiable as a licensed operative (see covert activity below)
have you ever heard of anyone getting 6 months for contravening that....il wait lol
@@mrjohnno Yes, but it was aggregated. The first step is a warning, then a fine, then imprisonment. Happens but is rare. Same is true for most regulators/ regulations.
Loved this little series! Was great to see the interactions with representatives of the companies and especially the SIA! Great work DJ👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I have been an SIA license holder for 21 years and it Security Manager for around half that time and I have never seen an SIA auditor or investigator in all that time so I wouldn't hold my breath bud.
brilliant now you have firm confirmation to question security and make them accountable
I currently hold a door supervisor license and a close protection license and you do have to display your license if you are working in the public eye, however if you are working on a close protection detail you don’t. But all security staff if on duty do have to have their license on them at all times. Great video.
All civilian security staff... There are exemptions to government organisations who have their own in house training.
Any business could also employ their own security directly and not be required to have sia licenses as they are not contracted outside.
Hi DJ, this expedition to the NEC has been an absolute goldmine for you!, this one in particular shows just how sensible well trained and well informed staff can and do behave in a perfectly agreeable manner and answer all your questions properly.
The central issue that occurs to me is that the fundamental problem resides with the company management and the standards of security guard training, to some extent it is wrong that only the staff on duty get the bad publicity, the managers should be held to account.
While I am on the case it is my intention to call that Woolpit firm tomorrow, I will look up their phone number and ring them in the morning, if anything of real interest comes through I shall send you a message and if so motivated will also join you on your next audit.
Cheers Richard.
@@zigzagtoes You should come and work from me. You sound like you know what's what and do your job well.
@@zigzagtoes Hi zigzagtoes, thank you very much for such a well thought out comment, when I read what you have written I see such a clear picture of the reality you describe, the cascade of unintended consequences that ensue when the higher echelons of management neglect their own responsibilities to such a degree, the underlying concept seems to be that it does not matter what subcontractors do or say as long as ones own life is not disrupted and the minimum of money is being spent.
The other side of the coin of course is the poor undertrained and underpaid 'security' staff, the only people that will apply for this type of work will be those who cannot find anything better to do and also subscribe to the concept of 'security' in the first place, to some extent this is a factor that gets overlooked by the rest of us, it is certainly not taken into account during the recruitment and training phase, the fact that they are so willing to throw their weight into it is considered an advantage rather than an issue to be controlled, the fact that they can all more or less rely on the compliance of the general public means that they only effective regulatory mechanism is this style of public auditing and long may it last!. As it happens one of the fundamental mechanisms in the management of the human nervous system is the way in which the 'sympathetic' and the 'parasympathetic' arms of the nervous system work more or less 'against' each other, one speeds up the heart rate the other slows it down, between them they regulate the whole system in a very flexible and effective way, this sort of 'antagonistic' management could be very useful in the wider context of public life.
Cheers, Richard.
These are more than audits, this is a very well made public information film. 👍
Fantastic information and great professionalism from SIA.
Pretty sure we'll be seeing these put into practice in everyone's audits from this point forward.
Well done DJ !
the only people to whom you are required to show your badge or provide details of your full name when asked are:
the Police
SIA officers
those to whom the SIA has given authority under Section 19 of the Private Security Industry Act (typically, these will be licensing officers from local councils).
Although members of the public have the right to request that you show them your licence, you are not obliged to show it to anyone other than those listed above. Certainly NOT required to show it to a fool with a camera who is trying to provoke a reaction. At this point the fool will likely whine “failing to identify”
Did anyone ever find out why Martin Blabberer lost his SIA badge????
Exactly just trying to paint a false narrative.
I can hear the happiness and joy in your voice as you realise you have another way to really put them on the spot 😂😂
Great stuff!!!
It's good to know that at least the official body seem to take this seriously.. Hopefully they have the time and resource to investigate complaints / concerns so that the standards are upheld..
Its ok reporting it but do they really do anything about it. That is the question
*OoooOOOOooooHHHHhhhh...* Well that's very interesting.
An Sia licenced operative has absolutely zero requirement to allow a member of the public to see their licence and details. It has to be overtly worn but under no circumstances does Joe public have the right to check it. Only the Sia, licencing or police have that right.
Found this earlier I used to hold a SIA badge and it was always on show but this was on the .gov site .....
1. Request
Do I need to have my SIA licence displayed with the picture, name and SIA number on show or can I turn it around round and have the back of it showing and only show the ‘sensitive’ information to those authorised to see the licence?
If a member of the public requests my full name am I obligated under law or code of conduct to provide the details?
2. Response
The information you have requested is exempt under section 21 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000, as the data is readily accessible within the public domain.
However, for ease of reference I will provide a detailed response for the following information:
Do I need to have my SIA licence displayed with the picture, name and SIA number on show or can I turn it around round and have the back of it showing and only show the ‘sensitive’ information to those authorised to see the licence?
As I’m sure you are aware, it is a condition of your licensed status that you wear the licence where the front can be seen at all times when engaging in designated licensable activity unless you have reported it lost or stolen, or it is in our possession.
The exceptions to this are if you can demonstrate that the nature of that conduct on that occasion requires that you should not be immediately identifiable as someone engaging in such conduct. On such occasions you must carry your licence on you and be able to produce it on request. This allows store detectives or close protection operatives to perform licensable activities without the need to be identifiable. This cannot apply to vehicle immobilisers.
If a member of the public requests my full name am I obligated under law or code of conduct to provide the details?
In answer to your question of whether you are obligated under law or code of conduct to provide the details of your full name, the only people to whom you are required to show your badge or provide details of your full name when asked are:
the Police
SIA officers
those to whom the SIA has given authority under Section 19 of the Private Security Industry Act (typically, these will be licensing officers from local councils).
Although members of the public have the right to request that you show them your licence, you are not obliged to show it to anyone other than those listed above.
[Reference: FOI 0241]
Jeeze, called in to say hi and left with an arsenal of weapons to use in audits...
Always good to know and you can use that against them
If a security guard puts hands on me, I would defend myself!!!
the licence has at the top the licence number below expire date and below date initial and surname and photo on right of card
SIA Head office in London, well worth a visit.
Oh yes 👍
@@DJAUDITS Just across the road for Holborn Tube. I used to work there for a while.
Note that he admits that their priorities are: “assets, property and premises” before people. This is honest reporting.
If you look up the legal meanings of assets, property and premises, you will find that humans cannot own assets, property or premises. Only corporate entities can own assets, property and premises.
When bailiffs steal our possessions, they are classified as “goods”.
The way to protect our possessions and expect the law to recognise our possessions, would seem to be by becoming corporations, or better yet, trusts. Just a thought.
Either way, by admitting that the FIRST priorities of security staff are EVERYTHING OTHER THAN HUMAN BEINGS, we learn a great deal about how the real world works.
We are classified as slaves, chattel, according to the system. That is not in any doubt.
Peace
Yes - great post - there is a whole other world of info out there re this.
Re trusts that’s how the real wealth and power in this world are hidden.
Those rich lists make me laugh.
The most powerful & wealthy people on this plane do not put themselves on public offer.
Search on Dun and Bradstreet or Company House for public bodies such as a city or shire council name, a Police force name, etc. And then let your journey down the Rabbit hole of The Strawman begin ...
SIA licensing and rules were brought in to clean up a very dirty industry, often staffed by criminals and run by organised crime. In that regard and introducing standards of training, regulation and conduct it has generally been quite successful.
Unfortunately not only do some of these security persons mistakenly not display the badge, as we see on channels like yours, they purposely attempt to cover it up.
This makes a mockery of the system and they should be immediately struck off.
Lawrence here is excellent.
@@Steves_fish I agree no bad thing at all. Thank goodness we are no longer in the 1980s when, for example, Paul Massey, crime head, ran half the doors in Manchester/ Stockport.
Still is dirty industry such a fucking mickey mouse industry cant fucking wait to leave
THE BEST AUDITOR on UA-cam. A very informed guy who takes the time to learn his craft, which will only improve future videos. First class. 👍👍👍
Lovely Audit DJ let's hope future interaction with SIA holders go well, but we need to remember just like any thing in life we will come across good & bad people no matter what profession they may work in, I hope the bad can be retrained & understand practices in the past are no longer accepted in today's society. Ignorance is no longer bliss.
That will put the s…s up some of these security staff that you come across on your travels. Gently tell them if they don’t display the badge they will be reported and can be charged under section 9 and could end up inside fir 6 months, it will be interesting to see the reaction of those that do not display the badge. Keep these well informed vids.
@@zigzagtoes I can agree that there are some very unscrupulous people out there that would like try and make use of a persons name for illegal means, for that yes you are correct. What does get me though that a hell of a lot of security fail to display them at all and think they do not have to. I have never ever agreed that a camera should zoom in to get the details of an SIA badge nor a coppers warrant card, however when asked to show it upon demand then yes they should. A decent auditor would not publish the details of either and would not even picture or video it. What has to stop is failing to display it, as in PCSOs designation card should be produced on demand.
I would not mention it until the police arrive and then you can report it directly and aee what happens then and ypu can mention the police officers badge number iwhen you fill out the online form as a witness
shush
Armed with this new information, DJ Audit will now be an antagonizer on steroids from now on!!!
Excellent response from these two. Very informative.
Really enjoying your multiple "episode" videos now, gets your audience back same time next day to see what happens :) SIA - brilliant, you now have all the ammunition you could ever want for visiting locations. Can't wait to see your first interaction where section 9 is used. A very informative video as always and nice to see what the whole industry uses. Just as a side note, did you at least beat PJ's time on the race game? (if he had a go)
He didn’t have a go mate 👍
Plenty of security committing criminal offences then
If this is the law I think those private security goons at the Derbyshire covid sites should be investigated
The SIA chap is a top guy, a credit to the organisation
So I have one of these great fabulous badges and yes on display/well on/over the uniform unless a store detective or close protection(non uniform) however joe public is unlikely to get to see it closely/info and security guard will most likely say call the police to make a complaint or contact the venue managememt and/or security firm. Internal security for the likes of shops can have internal security and not require an SIA which is a massive bone of contention and from my own point of view if a premises requires a licence of any kind then an SIA person should be used and pushed through licencing requirements. Dont get me wrong the training is very,very basic but it something, however upgraded training and graded levels of security needs to go in line with pay and would most likely retain persons in the industry. The major problem Is the industry has a low retainment rate due to the nature of the job, poor training and progression possibilities and low pay rate.
Great, well researched video. Keep it up DJ ( & PJ)
How intresting was that about SIA
Well done DJ
Lawrence is a nice guy.
Mr DJ, Growing up as a kid, my area was policed so bad, we never in our wildest dreams imagined Auditors could exist. The thought of not giving my full name during a stop could result in having something planted on me or they simply would just say I took a swing at them or getting a kicking in the back of the van for not complying. Camera phones changed the way my area (Toxteth) had been policed for 60 years. You have inspired me to start auditing but the fear of police interactions is deeply embedded in my mind. I will be the first auditor to be kicked to death on live stream :) pray for me :)
How do you report those that refuse to display , you have nothing to go on.
If they fail to display it then whoever has employed them will want to help. If they don’t then they are assisting an offender.
@@DJAUDITS I guess as you will have video evidence of the identity ( and the failure to identify) they will be forced to cooperate with SIA .
All the more reasonable NOT to comply with requests/demands to shut the camera off .
I look forward to future Audits where you wield this new 'weapon' and see their reaction , especially when you tell them that the footage of them failing to identify will form part of the report:)
Auditing with a very informative extremely interesting difference. !
You forgot to blur poor Lawrence's surname DJ 🤣
As long as you don’t say it then it’s fine 👍
@@DJAUDITS If you say you'll do something you should keep your word, even if it is legal not to.
Excellent info 👍 I'll be looking forward to audits being done with this goldmine of information,no more "no I don't" etc nice one DJ 👍👍✌️
Absolutely brilliant video mate thanks for sharing 👊👍
The can has been opened. Look forward to next security audit :)
Have to display but they do not need to present it to anyone on request
A bit like the old tax disc. Has to be on display but your don’t have to take it out and present it to anyone. If they want to see it then they simply take their eyes to the licence 👍
this is priceless information. well done as always
This was a really good video👍Very informative indeed. You are adding so much value to your videos I can see your going to go far. Keep it up, thank you.
My ex employer used to have a security firm guard a facility, one of their employees didn't know how to use the toilet, he used to stand on the toilet seat, and squat to take a dump. He had believe it or not, an SIA Card.!!
What a nice chap
just noticed on one of the papers you displayed on SIA actions which may be of less than professional standard., not necessarily working at his site, . this apparently applies even if "off duty!!"
Very informative for you and your viewers.
Offer to turn the camera away for 15 seconds while they get themselves compliant with the law otherwise don't talk to them.
Ffs a 'Theft Prevention Officer'?
They're called store detectives mate..
I notice you missed the point that they can also have an LDN or email showing
Sia top guy well done dj
Some of the SIA badges I have,seen do not have photos , just black profiles , how can that happen ?
Are they illegitimate held 🤔
We need the number to run a check through the public register to check if it’s fake.
Ultimately, a Security Officer or Door Supervisor can restrain/detain you if they have good reason. They have no more powers than the average Joe on the street (unless they are CSAS qualified) but as they are working as a professional they have to meet certain standards whilst doing so. Taking someones liberty is a very serious thing to do so everything he said is delivered in the first few days of training for a security license. You'll (almost) never see a Door Supervisor without a badge on display because they are far more likely to be inspected whilst working and more likely to have to detain or retrain someone. All security staff are aware that you can get their first initial and last name + licence number from the badge, that's why they hide it when an interaction goes Pete Tong. The SIA take genuine contraventions very seriously and all guards who are signed up to the email list get a monthly email which gives amongst other info details of recent successful convictions. Most of which are for people working with or providing staff without a valid license. The SIA is a good well meaning Home Office body, the problem always comes with the training and ability of the Officer.
This will be brilliant moving forward DJ 🙌
The only thing I would say is, you assured him several times you would not say or publish his surname and you explicitly said you’d blur out his ID and you didn’t. Given he was very accommodating to you I think that was bad form on your part.
Funny how its always interpreted as 'sticking a camera in my face' even though it could be some safe distance away from their face, they always make it sound more threatening
Yet another good video keep up good work 👍
We’ve always known it is a criminal offence not to display your badge but nobody does anything about it! The police used to do spot checks on doormen I’m my local area to ensure the doormen wore there’s, I do not know if this happens on general security guards but perhaps it should. Maybe be the security company held accountable for this offence…..
Lots of SIA licensed people don't know this... should be more strictly enforced.
@DJ AUDITS, I think this guy was more than accommodating to your barrage of questions, And came through as a top employee. Too many audits make the working guy's you challenge look like they are the one Who implied such act. Just saying, as you did in this video, don't shoot the messenger 👌👌👌
The man in the video naively, and foolishly, makes the assumption that SIA "License Holders" are reasonably intelligent, committed professionals and not the 2 days "trained" min wage thickos that know absolutely nothing.
@@zigzagtoes You would hope top-flight/high-risk security personnel would be everything and more, and the 2 days "trained" SIA monkeys are sent to the shopping centres, covid test sites, pub/club doormen and wherever triple necks are required.
Great. Audit and. A great. Helpful guy
s19 of the Private Security Industry Act 2001 specifies that only a relevant person (licensing officer, SIA inspector or constable) can require a security staff to produce the SIA licence to him.
You love that mate you are in your element now keep up the good work DJ.
Does the six month sentence be concurrent to any other charge? Will be re-employment after such a sentence?
The reason why people don’t like to show their badge is because the SIA display the users surname as well. You can then put this into. The voting register and other types of public accessible register that then link to someone’s address. Also you can find their social media by finding their surname harass them online. Take their photos post about them online using their social media accounts.
Once again excellent video haha can't wait until you play this card onto the security guards
What you do have to remember a lot of SIA badge holders are poorly trained and in a lot of businesses they will also be a cleaner . Mental health almost security industry professionals is very high too .
Very interesting interview! Lawrence was obviously proud of his job and very cordial in explaining it for your questions. Kudos for you both :)
It's only a criminal offence to a person acting as security without a valid SIA license, not displaying it.
Working without a license is a fine of £5000 which can lead to a prosecution/prison time.
The guy in the vid should have mentioned this.
The Private Security Act 2001 is Law. But it is funny that you can't report a SIA Licence holder unless you know their name or their Licence Number lol. And try and call a copper to come and sort it out and hey presto the cop will have no idea what your talking about when you say an Act.
Legislation is ready on my phone files section and the employer of said person would be my first target to get it displayed or they would be assisting an offender 👍
There are only 3 ppl that are intitald to see the S I A security number and the public is not one of them
How would you report a security guard on the SIA WEBSTE when he's hiding his ID and reluctant to share any information ?
What do you mean reluctant to share info?
Location, description, photographic
@@scotland_from_up_high7440 Does the website have fields for those parameters ?
@@robertsteen7034 If you come across a guard who does not furnish you with any identifying info how then would you go about filing a report about that individual ?
@@placebo2682 if they are SIA they dont have to tell you their name and number. the badge just has to be on show.
He is a nice chap. I wish all security guards acted like him..
Hey DJ. This was.a great peice of work and the representative were excellent!
What a great video! Thanks DJ, and thanks very much too to that very professional gentleman you spoke to.
Great video mate👍👍, your videos literally came in handy this morning when I was taking videos with my Mini 2 at my revisit to Alexandra Palace. My daughter was with me, and a security guard came up to me and said you cannot film here. Firstly, he didn’t have his SIA badge on display, so I asked him to do so, also, he said that it was private grounds, so I said this place is publicly accessible, and there wasn’t any signs saying that I couldn’t video or take photos. He kept on saying it’s private and I would need permission to film. I just said ok, and…? Expecting him to say please can you go from the private ground, but he didn’t, so he just walked off, and I proceeded with my drone shots. Happy days. Thanks for all your videos, they really do help❤️👍👍
That's amazing to hear. Thanks.
@@DJAUDITS No, thank you for all your videos. 👍👍
i declined a voluntary search by a security guard who wrongly suspected me of shoplifting the other. He forcibly prevented me from leaving the shop, searched my bag without my consent (found nothing) and then hid his badge from me. Compensation time.
Interesting revelation.
What a nice security guard