I would love to see a conversation between dr k and Jerma because Jerma unironically seems very wise and confident when he isn't joking, it would be interesting to see some of his perspectives on things
i think he's done more "normal" content before. i used to be a big fan of jerma back in tf2, but i may be thinking of ster's drawing series. i think jerma did some content like that too idk. can anyone confirm?
You can probably eat a piece of bread, I have a gluten allergy that came up after I was eating poor quality bread for a good year or 2 years every single day. I have eaten bread since and not really seen the same level of symptoms at all.
@@anon-il9qf It is important to remember the difference between an allergy an celiacs. Even in those camps everybody’s body is different. Not to knock you, I’m glad you can eat bread, it’s just some advice from an internet stranger you can accept or discard.
Didn’t expect Vinland Saga season 2 to be a topic here. Love Dr. K correcting Ludwig’s interpretation of stoicism and literally describing Thorfinn’s character development in letting the emotions come instead of being numb to them.
The description that Ludwig gives of stoicism should be branded broicism. He is right that the whole "shut down all emotions and be Spock-like" is what got us to shitty mental health for men to begin with. To me stoicism means not to *dwell* in negative emotions, not that we never have any at all. Experience your life in its fullness (joy and pain), do your level best - whatever that is that day, and constantly remember that death is ultimately the finish line for all of us. Mary Oliver nailed it when she asked, “Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?” That, to me, is the pith of stoicism. Taking the circumstances and molding and squishing it into a life. It' ain't being chronically mad at other gamers or pretending that you are unaffected when your soul is begging to weep.
Broicism is a good term, but I also feel like Ludwig misinterpreted the Tiktok videos wrong in the first place, not just stoicism itself. Of course these videos have a different effect on you, based on if you understand the gist of stoicism or not, so it makes sense that he didn't perfectly understand the messages. I actually think a lot of those videos/the creators understand stoicism. If you are in the algorithm of those videos for a bit, you actually get to an even more amazing side of stoicism-tok (as they call it). It's full of virtues like taking responsibility, not being distracted by temporary emotions, chasing long-term goals and living life with a more positive outlook. And this is also where the Vinland stuff comes in, showing that DESPITE all those horrible things that happened in the past, we can find a way to not get drowned in those negative emotions and come out on top with experience and a new will to live! Sure, there are those phonk-badass-broicism-f everyone-versions, but it didn't seem like Ludwig was talking about those, but the former ones.
I LOVE, I LIVE for Dr K and Ludwig conversations. I think Ludwig challenges Dr K in a way that is intellectually stimulating for him and also the viewer. Ludwig has reached a place of spirituality (not religious), confidence, acceptance, self love, respect, without realising it and it's almost like they're both on the same page about life and how life works and how to live life but Dr K reached it with intentionality and Ludwig learned through doing life and it's this awesome reverse unpacking of positive mental health as apposed to negative mental health. I love it, everytime.
@@__-bk6mm Many people hold those same misunderstandings that Ludwig has and run with them in their daily life as well, for many viewers that have similar brolike upbringing as Ludwig gain alot from these conversations by putting their behaviors and mentalities into a psychological perspective that they likely have not considered before in the past allowing for their overall understanding of concepts and life to expand.
@@gwarf343 To your question, that generally is the purpose of these interviews. To pick random people's brain and think about stuff from a psychological perspective.
I think a lot of Ludwig's "confidence" comes from the idea that every decision, every moment in life there is no wrong decision because you just have to make it work; one way or another by correcting yourself, learning from it. It's like he has this ability to find value in anything he does. There is no right or wrong: if it's wrong, then make it right later on; if there is no later on, then do the next right thing which is to move on. Maybe some of the reason is because he doesn't want to overthink things and waste a lot of times; which kind of sometimes make him let external things decide for him (like doing coin flips). "we'll cross the bridge when we get there" "ancora imparo (still, i learn)" It's a kind of amazing mindset that he was able to set himself up to learn and fail a lot, but ultimately, he learns and find ways to succeed no matter what.
He's incredibly insecure is all I really pulled from this conversation. I guess he's trying his best to counter it but he takes things waaaay too seriously. Like calling out his chat for calling him soft hands and not understanding it's actually a long running joke to call ppl that..
@Introspect Kreations while silly name calling and insults such as "soft hands" seems insignificant at first, it may help to put into perspective how often ludwig has to hear the same things everyday with his job. People saying a body part of yours is weird for only a day might be a quick *haha funny* but hearing that everyday becomes annoying until it becomes dehumanizing.
@@abcdefzhij My friend had a horrible trip said it was the worst experience in his life. People can get ptsd. Psychedelics esp. in high doses can be very dangerous.
@@shenshaw5345 Yes I'm well aware of all of that, not disputing that it's risky. But Dr K was saying that there isn't a potential reward with LSD which as far as I can tell is an extremely incorrect claim
@@abcdefzhij As a psychiatrist he's going to have worked with a lot of people who have been messed up from using substances so is naturally going to push back.
This collab kinda means a lot to me. Weirdly enough, the first collaboration between these two was my introduction to BOTH creators, both Dr. K Ludwig. I was intrigued by the prospect of talking about death with a well known commentary guy. And it exceeded my expectations. I fell in love with Dr. K’s insight and Ludwig’s charisma and they have become 2 of my favorite channels over the pandemic. Have learned a lot about myself and how to manage my ADHD from Dr. K over the last year. Thanks for all you do Dr. K. You’re making a real difference in peoples lives. Idk if people really appreciate that this is a Harvard licensed psychologist putting out hours of free content, not to mention extra esoteric bhuddist and Hindu insights and perspectives This is a gold mine for anyone interested in improving themselves in like any way.
I think what Ludwig said about "It'll work out because it has to" and "I think trying and failing is really cool" are such powerful statements, and ghe the first one has helped me out of several anxiety spirals before, but I'm still working on being adapting the second one, because the fear of failure is still very debilitating at times
Dr. K trying his best to understand Ludwig's perspective on acid was one of the funniest things in recent memory. The way he started squinting when Lud said "it's hard" lmao
Incredible how relatable Ludwig's motivation for exercise is. I didn't even realise it but that perfectly fits my mentality. A sort of "I'll show you" but all it does is make you work hard for people you don't even care about.
"Do you have a guy in your head" section actually helped me so much, Ive never been able to put that little guy inside that helps me through things into words that make that much sense.
2:03:45 MANNNN THIS ABSOLUTELY HAPPENS TO ME and I'm surprised Dr.K never heard of anything like this before. This was a huge wall specially with catching up in life because every time I had a spark of motivation to turn things, to change and get back on track, I would have fantasies of me meeting classmates in the metro or other casual places to tell them how well I was doing and the way I was crushing it on life (before actually doing anything!!). And after day dream about it I would just go back to play videogames or start feeling bad about how my classmates were actually doing well at college and in the actual I'm here day dreaming about it. This is not something I struggle with anymore, because I noticed the pattern of it being sustained in ego so I don't engage on those fantasies anymore, or at least I try not to. Also happens with learning a new language, getting a gf, a job, etc etc etc... After day dreaming about it I just don't have the drive anymore. I think the downgrade of abusing this to "skip" desires to move to something actually meaningful is that, you are feeding your ego in the process, I don't know, it's like exercise a muscle to procrastination, and if you keep day dreaming about stuff you'll do it more and more often and every time it will be harder not to engage in those fantasies. I wouldn't try to use this "skill" to my adventage.
I do the same thing with high cost purchases that I want to make. If it's a lot of money I'll usually just leave all the items in the shopping cart and then leave it to see if my enthusiasm for the thing(s) dies down. I used to impulse buy here and there when I was younger, but almost never get anything that I ultimately regret these days. I feel as though fantasising about material purchases leaves room for the initial excitement to die down and provides time to reflect on the actual usefulness of said thing.
@@Vibycko yeah thats real like if i visualize myself in the position i want to be in it helps my brain decide whether or not it's something I'd want in the long term if that makes sense
I think the part about being "smart" as a child and avoiding anything that requires effort is something I was surprised I related to. I never studied in high school and by the time I got to college and beyond I was afraid of trying hard and failing. The hardest class I ever had in high school was a compiler class (computer science degree) and I kind of gave up half way through because I was afraid of trying my best and still failing. So I just made myself fail by my own volition.
Yup. Parents told me I was smart growing up. Lots of stuff was easy, and I was able to get away with not doing the rest. In highschool that starts to catch up with you and your identity shatters because everything is supposed to be easy for you and if it isn't that's a complete failure of your entire existence. Then I had no work ethic or understanding of how to work hard and focus. Took a while to get that sorted out.
The part I'm curious about with that portion are the edge cases. They are a very small minority, but I saw people who could coast even through undergrad on the most pure academic talent (different from intelligence, important caveat). Had I continued on to grad school, I'm sure I would have seen similar there as well. There are people that are just simply so good at things that their 10 hours are worth your 1,000 hours, in the immortal words of Shroud lol. So those people can actually just chill through life without pushing their limits if they want, and it feels like a loss to society. Their ego may never halt them because their talent is enough. My initial thought is an importantly distinct follow-up in that we need to attempt to divorce talent, and the results obtained through it, from virtue. There's nothing about being born with talent or having the talent fostered in a proper environment that inherently makes you a better person or of more value. It's all luck. We already know in current capitalism that our success financially or recognition for being a contributor to society aren't really equal to the actual value we provide. But we're still fed that it is from the jump. Why push yourself to your furthest limits if you can barely try and get that financial success or recognition? Not really sure how that can be tackled though, tbh. It would require a massive culture shift and probably isn't reasonable, but the thought still popped in my head listening to that section.
@@peepopog4279 If someone is able to coast for that long it's not even a choice. The prospect of trying is probably terrifying and exhausting for that kind of person.
Yeah I‘m currently in the process of what you described. Aced high school with no effort, immediately hit a massive wall in medschool, already doing 2 years more due to not attending exams/failing etc. I think I‘m on my way to fix all the stuff like discipline, shame, anxiety but man is it tiring and humiliating seeing everyone passing exam after exam, writing their thesis while I‘m still stuck in 2nd year exams
1:35:23 There was a time not too long ago when I sat dormant in my room. I felt emotionless, but then I suddenly felt sad about everything that I felt could use some work in my life. It'd been months since I last cried, but I'd never felt better about it. This video and others like it are worth more than all the worldly riches. Thanks for conversing, Ludwig and Dr. K. Much love from me, and God bless.
I watched the previous interview with Ludwig five times. This is also excellent, but in more lighthearted way, I feel unsatisfied I need more of this collabo! Please, make a series with Lud, you two are so wholesome together. It's like Dr K operates on a different level, where we can skip all of the base explanations very fast and get to the very core. Ludwig is so quick and challenges Dr K all the time. This is fenomenal.
i like that ludwigs outlook on life and decision making is basically imma work with whatever the outcome or consequences is rather than worrying about what could go wrong. i remember dr. K spoke about this type of mindset. i forgot if it was his indecisiveness video or how IQ doesnt relate to success.
@ameryrose143 You like that just because that is a very confident mindset, yet, a mindset which thinks it can deal with all challenges until it can't. Worrying about things up to a reasonable degree isn't entirely useless, it's purpose is to think ahead of the time in order to prevent having to deal with something, which can eliminate a problem entirely because it would never allow it to exist in the first place at all. There has to be balanced approach depending on the case(something really hard for people irl because you are basically either like this other way very rarely in-between because that's a very fundamental type of behavior), but the balanced approach doesn't tingle the young female mind as unshaken confidence, young women will almost always go for the most confident male who... boasts (usually actually faking) competence until it is being proven otherwise, his feelings, his desires, his dreams? Who cares about that? Not females, that's for sure.
@@georgeindestructible I think the point is you should make the best and wisest decisions you can but if you make a wrong decision then it generally doesn't really matter because you'll learn to live with the consequences of that (humans are very adaptable) and you can just make the next right decision and you can't go back and change the decision anyway so who cares. You should have worries and knowledge about what could go wrong but that shouldn't paralyze you into indecisiveness Also that part at the end about the female mind sounds like you attribute your lack of success with women to your lack of confidence and that you're drawing the conclusion that women don't actually care about people if they're not confident. I would suggest that it might be both your belief that women are like that and your want of a girlfriend (at least that's what it reads like) is what's holding you back. I'd imagine if you didn't care and were happy living by yourself (like Ludwig and Dr K talked about) then you would likely would be more attractive and would gravitate towards people who care about you for you I could be reading too much into it but I personally know a lot of women who are great to be around and care about me and I'm not overly confident or anything so something is clearly different here
This is stoicism in a nutshell. Only worry about things you can control, which are your current actions. Theres no point being anxious about the future because you have no control over the future
I thought this was ANOTHER talk with Ludwig as in a third one but its just the vid version of the 2nd. Still got hella excited and I didnt finish it last time
The skill level vs stats part clarified for me why I’ve been having difficulty (re)finding passion for my former hobby/current career as a developer. Just the interview process alone is a huge turnoff. It’s almost entirely an assessment of stats instead of a broader competence. This viewpoint is probably further magnified to my detriment since I’m a self-taught female developer, one with several different interests and strong sense of curiosity. This probably explains why one of the best compliments I’ve ever received was about how I frequently pull out my phone on the fly to look something up. And at the same time, it also explains why I’m told I’m a good developer but never with any specificity and with the air of it actually not being good enough.
I graduated the beginning of this year with a degree in comp sci and the job search at the entry level has me extremely demotivated, and feeling depressed 🙃
God, yes. I'm in a very similar position. I've been working as a developer for a few years, as it's been the first think work I've ever done that felt fulfilling, interesting and not miserable, but I've been going without a proper jobs for several months and the job hunting process is fucking miserable. I remember as a kid seeing news reports at times of high unemployment that featured street interviews with people who have been unemployed and looking for a job for months, and I'd wonder how that happens, and how it feels like. I finally get it.
Dont know how else to explain it but listening to this was like taking a breath of fresh air, stepping through the topics and the ease of redirecting thought patterns just made things in my own head seem a lot less heavy
I love this interaction between dr. k and Ludwig. Dr. K can be very blunt sometimes, and a lot of people try to go into defense mode, but it didn't seem like Ludwig cared. He took everything at face value.
I'm only a quarter through the video and I feel like something just clicked in my brain... Thank you Dr. K and Ludwig for helping the lives of so many humans and for entertaining while being true to themselves, respectively.
I really loved when this turned into what I imagine therapy to be like for Ludwig because it felt like there was just so much to take away and relate to
Very excited to listen to this. I kid you not the last conversation with Ludwig and more specifically the story from doctor K about the coma patient, changed my perception of conscious vs subconscious.
I was really pleased to see this conversation go into how having intelligence can create a lack of skills. I myself have experience with this. I never had to study for anything, and it was only during my senior year of high school, when i took calculus 2 and 3, where i felt my lack of skills truly hurt me. I was still able to brute force my way to an A or B, but that opened my eyes to my deficiency. Developing those skills now at 19 is much harder than if i had developed them as a child. It will be something i will teach my children.
Gonna be 24 soon, and lack of skills might be a consequence of being young. That said, don’t be discouraged by time passing and skills struggling to develop. Whether it blossoms or not isn’t as important as the continuous effort-you never know what skills you’ll end up with because of the journey to acquire a skill.
I feel like I’ve been spiraling downward mentally all year. Lost my job, lost a few friends, but this talk I feel gave me a lot of insight and information I can use to help get back up. Thank you
Philosphy tube has put out a really good video on stoicism recently for people who are interested! It gives a very clear explanation of the beliefs of stoicism, and also discusses some of its pitfalls. Really helped me understand the mindset as someone who thought it was just about not feeling things like Ludwig before.
the amount of gems in the first 20 minutes where iv gotten to is mind blowing. i legit had to pause and go back to clip this stuff. truely one of the great minds of our generation. ty
First time ever seeing a doctor K video and all I have to say is "wow". The correlation between everyday actions and trauma runs extremely deep. Didn't realize it was league of legends deep but it lowkey is.
I really love how clearly you can see that Lud thought about the convo last year for the whole twelve months since! Usually he’s a bit of a goofball on screen so seeing introspection & nuance in his thoughts regarding both last year’s convo & this one is pretty incredible !!
Regarding that last part about quitting: when I was at a low point in my life, I had an idea about switching to a different path but I was scared of quitting the path I was already on. I had a conversation with my dad, who told me "the only right thing to do is to do everything 100%. If you can't do whatever you're doing now 100%, you're clearly doing the wrong thing, and you should change your path." It stuck with me ever since.
"It's ok to quit as long as you gave it your best shot". That piece of advice is pure gold. This needs to be drilled into my brain. The amount of times I don't even START something because 'what if I fail" - so what, what if I dont? And if I do, so what? I tried. It's ok to put that down and move on to something else. I'm so grateful to finally have this sink in
This was a fantastic chat. Ludwig's mindset towards pursuing goals or letting them go, and Dr. K's explanation of what makes up self discipline, that was really insightful.
I loved hearing about the "little guy." I think I am a bit behind Ludwig with respect to my relationship with the guy, but in generally the same situation. So, hearing Ludwig talk about the guy made me feel very validated and normal. Then, Dr. K talking about about the deeper level showed me something new and forged a bunch of connections in my mind. I would love to hear more on the subject!
I have known about you for a while but never consumed content. I recently started watching some streams and wanted to say, you’ve inspired me to continue my mental health journey and to start it for my child.
Wow! I absolutely loved Ludwigs perspective on quitting, that everything always works out, and that there are no wrong choices. I gained a lot from conversation and it helped me finally understand some things about myself. It was very valuable for me and many other people. Your works is AMAZING Dr.K!
Having Jerma on the show would be really interesting. Behind all his goofs and gags is a very wise and intelligent person who has taught a lot of meaningful stuff to the community.
What they talked about at 1:58:00 is something that I read about in Atomic Habits. The difference between setting goals and setting systems. Once you accomplish a goal, that's it. But systems build habits that can last indefinitely (Something like that at least). Setting targets is good, but they should be milestones on your journey rather than an endpoint of self-improvement. Keeps you from crumbling when you get there. But to a degree, everyone is different and whatever works for you, works.
I have the opposite experience where I work really hard for my grades and got praise over it. This would lead to myself studying lots of hours to leave up to that expectation of a good student. Later in high school, I started to notice my result wasn’t as it use to where my hard work stop giving the results I wanted and would worry about my grades falling and would study more hours as a result giving no room to rest. This continue until middle of 10th grade where Covid happened where I couldn’t work on my assignment at the same home as I rest, so I abandoned my home work and wouldn’t do them for the rest of high school. This was the time where I step back in life and started going to therapy to figure out what I wanted to do in life. Few years later, my mental health is good now and have a problem of figuring out where I want to go in life as I felt stuck deciding which path and working toward that path
1:25:40 it's amazing how he's blowing Ludwig's mind (and mine for that matter). I have NEVER heard of this approach before. And it makes so much sense! THIS IS FASCINATING
I agree with the unmet need for male validation that is filled by the alpha manosphere people. but i also think that the inflamatory nature of their rhetoric is encouraged and boosted by the algorithms. more nuanced and validating content is not as inflamatory (which increases engagaement) and therefore is shared to fewer people. Its much more of an uphill battle for more wholesome content for men to be promoted. I hope this will be figured out becuase it is important
personally i think the profit motive is a big factor with social media. platforms are optimizing their algorithms for engagement so they can show more ads. I think if we made a platform without a profit motive the algorithm could be designed to promote different things. But im sure theres lots of other factors too
THE GUY IN YOUR HEAD CONVERSATION!! Never related to a conversation more. I think im in a stage in between where Ludwig and Dr. K are where I can understand that the guy in my head is just the me who can look at things objectively but I can't see what lies beyond that guy. I just wish Dr. K had expanded on that I feel like I could have taken the next step in understanding myself better and being in tune with myself better. Idk if felt like as he said that, I was beginning to realize something and then the conversation went in a different direction after that.
Ludwig's algorithm for success: 1. Pick something. 2. If you fail at it: quit, go back to 1 and pick something you haven't picked before. 3. You are now successful. Give yourself a time limit (or maybe effort limit) for step 2, such that you don't spend infinite time there.
Stoicism as a philosophy isn't about not having emotions, it's about processing them in a healthy way combined with radical acceptance of the consequences that life places on us.
I actually learned a lot from this video. Biggest point to me was the "self" talk. I tried it out and instead of thinking about doing something uncomfortable, I looked deeper down and I already knew what I wanted and there was no discussion. I still felt uncomfortable and anxious, but I just triggered the "stoicism" part of the talk and accepted those emotions and was unreactive. I felt those emotions and said, "this is what I need to do for what I want" and then I did it.
“Everything will work out” philosophy I’ve always lived with. Had a rough childhood and everything has always worked out. I try not to stress much, because thing will always work out in the end.
I just want to support the idea of getting Jerma on to talk about literally whatever. Him being an older streamer who’s gone through a lot of growth would be a fascinating listen. I love so much that we get this humanized look at streamers who are often playing a character.
I think a lot of us might benefit from a talk about self-communication. Things like note-taking, creating plans for establishing positive habits/routines, listening to your negative emotions without getting carried away without a predetermined endpoint, and understanding how to use different conceptualisation techniques for different problems. I’d really value your perspective on any and all of these topics, as I think many of us don’t really have a strong foundation for many of these essential topics.
Hi Dr. K. Could you please make a video about learning? I always wonder if watching the solutions to physics problems helps you understand the physics and increase your performance on future physics problems.
For me, learning has defo become easier the older i've gotten, which i assume is simply due to an increased interest in learning in general and then discipline.
As someone who's tripped on acid many times, I hard agree with Dr. K on his stance. I'd never had a panic attack in my life before tripping, and now, almost 6 years since my last psychedelic experience, I still regularly experience debilitating panic attacks and in general anxiety levels significantly higher than I'd have even thought realistically possible before I tried it. Some people have an amazing time, some people have positive life changing trips, but I just don't think it's worth the risk of permanently being traumatized and possibly developing a panic disorder, or even triggering underlying psychosis depending on your brain chemistry and family history. I'd do just about anything to go back to the way my brain was before acid.
Love seeing the follow up, makes me think the both of you together are perfect for introduction to/lets talk about ... by means of just exploring the topic in a conversation. Thanks!
25:56 I consider myself to be pretty mentally healthy. I've been practicing stoicism for probably the majority of my life at this point. But I'm still human, and sometimes I forget. This was a good reminder. Helped me deal with today. Big ups 👍
The talk was great. Especially the part about inner voice, while a bit hard to follow, was very interesting, informative and thought provoking. Can't wait to properly process all that and maybe make a new discovery about myself
I haven't watched Dr. K much aside from a few podcasts - this is certainly the first where it's with him leading/running things - but I love how he continually comes back to points that were described previously and relates them altogether to form a healthy mind. I also love how he uses general data a lot because I definitely picked up examples and got a better understanding of things I do as well that may have been a little harder to grasp if dealing with only specific instances. All around, it may have been the association of Ludwig that brought this to my recommended, but I'm glad I stayed and watched because I'm definitely leaving this slightly more knowledgeable than I came in.
I was so interested in the idea of fantasy curbing your goals and letting you live in reality, instead of living a fantasy/ "watching the replay while you live". this would be a cool topic to dive deep on. I wanted to add that in reality things never play out how they would in a fantasy and in that sense truly living your life and letting your fantasies be unwound allows you to live in the moment more freely and maybe even achieve more that you could possibly imagine. like your so called Goal is more of an intention and "moving towards it or even past it."
It is interesting, though I have to say I'm somewhat skeptical fantasy can actually do that. Maybe what fantasy can do is help reveal what you actually want. For instance if I fantasize about being a successful UA-camr (like I have in the past) and that fantasy satisfies me, then it means I probably don't actually have an interest in obtaining the actual thing, I just want to "feel" successful. If it doesn't satisfy me, then that means there is something beyond my desire to feel successful that I want. You could theoretically keep doing this until you drill down into your core desires. However, the example of relationships is a bit more complicated. You probably won't curb your desire for a relationship by fantasizing about it because most people actually want the relationship, not the simulated, fleeting half-feeling of being in one that an imagined scenario might produce. So, I don't think it really works a hack for curbing desires for scenarios like being in a relationship, but it may have applications. A video on it would be interesting.
Having to live abroad for so long and getting prejudiced comments, looks and what not I have always found it that dispelling it is as easy as going to introduce yourself. Hey! i am so so, I am one of your neighbors and I have been here for so and so and if you see me around please say hi if you want and if you need anything let me know. It changes how people see you and it gives them a bit of perspective.
Dr. K talking about how you should ask your teammates questions instead of telling them what to do in online games made me so proud since I recently figured that out by myself :)
The stoicism ludwig talked about was definitely not mainly stemmed from vinland saga 2, it came with the whole andrew tate movement and everyone wanting to make money and stop being depressed.
When Dr.K talked about how he would self sabatoge in order so save his ego, I saw an ugly reflection of myself. One of the things I dislike most about myself is how i dont apply myself so i can keep making the excuse of "if I actually tried, it wouldve been different." If I had to describe how I view this behavior I have it would be "Im so afraid of failure that I never allow myself to succeed."
When they talked about how people viewed big decisions as right and wrong, I couldn’t stop thinking about making an analogy from tears of the kingdom cus I’ve been addicted for the past two weeks, but it goes like this; you only have two weapons left, you’ll either have to play with a double handed sword that is slow but hits heavy or a spear which is super fast but isn’t very impressive in terms of damage. Neither decision is wrong, but it drastically effects how you will navigate the fighting situations in the game. If you view big decisions more like they’re just different ways of playing the same game (rather than it being winning or losing the game) then it’s just like Ludwig said, “There’s no wrong decisions.”
I feel like I might watch this a few more times (maybe a couple of days apart) because there are some very interesting ideas in it that kinda blew my mind.
I would like to add something I thought about with regard to the discussion of worth ethic starting from 1:55:50. Dr K addressed many factors and traits that lead someone to have "good work ethic". Here's a brief dot point summary: - Concentration - Discipline - Overcoming natural impulses - Habit formation - Supportive environment - Skill in focusing - Emotional awareness - Managing emotions - Introspection relating to societal expectations - Aligning work ethic behind personal intentions I noticed that many of those points are closely linked to executive functions, namely, concentration, self-motivation, impulse inhibition, focusing and emotional regulation. So I wonder how children growing up and developing their executive functions would have unique difficulties if they had developmental delays in these areas, such as those with ADHD, autism, etcetera. I understand that everyone has great abilities to change their habits and daily interactions with life and themselves over time, but I can also imagine that people with less functional executive abilities, especially kids, could possibly be starting from an inherently disadvantaged position. Just wanted to share my thoughts!
I wish I could have a conversation with Dr. K. I’m sure he’d help me get through with my interpersonal issues. He does a great job expanding the other persons perspective and showing how things really are and what could be done to fix it
ludwig mentioning the ‘I have no enemies’ trend to dr k was pretty funny. Vinland saga s2 has been really interesting to me but it’s sad to see people losing interest because thorfinn is ‘boring’ now.
Growing up is realizing history class was awesome. It had so many cool philosophies, ethical questions, moments, and even the coolest people. I've learned a lot from people that lived their entire lives before I was even born. And that's so cool to me. I wonder what other stuff I dislike now that I might fall in love with later! Happy learning folks! Being smart is overrated, just work hard and have fun learning!
I would love to see a conversation between dr k and Jerma because Jerma unironically seems very wise and confident when he isn't joking, it would be interesting to see some of his perspectives on things
It would be too powerful of a stream, I think the universe would shatter with two great beings interacting
I would PAY for such a conversation, honestly.
Jerma is the raid boss.
Dude! I was gonna leave this comment
i think he's done more "normal" content before. i used to be a big fan of jerma back in tf2, but i may be thinking of ster's drawing series. i think jerma did some content like that too idk. can anyone confirm?
I'm a french celiac, I haven't eaten bread for 21 years, when Ludwig talked about how it cuts on the inside of the mouth I cried. It was a good cry.
There is no way a french person hasn’t gone 24.3 minutes without eating a baguette. Never the less 21 years. You need to have achieved godhood by now
@@opus_X I am godhood
You can probably eat a piece of bread, I have a gluten allergy that came up after I was eating poor quality bread for a good year or 2 years every single day. I have eaten bread since and not really seen the same level of symptoms at all.
@@anon-il9qf It is important to remember the difference between an allergy an celiacs. Even in those camps everybody’s body is different. Not to knock you, I’m glad you can eat bread, it’s just some advice from an internet stranger you can accept or discard.
Try being an Italian with celiac 💀
Didn’t expect Vinland Saga season 2 to be a topic here. Love Dr. K correcting Ludwig’s interpretation of stoicism and literally describing Thorfinn’s character development in letting the emotions come instead of being numb to them.
Imagine a Healthy Gamer video explaining Vinland Saga ;-;
U got a time stamp?
@@The_Evil_Eye thanks!
I was not ready for anime references in this video, let alone a Vinland Saga talk
I think he just referenced TikTok's interpretation of stoicism
The description that Ludwig gives of stoicism should be branded broicism. He is right that the whole "shut down all emotions and be Spock-like" is what got us to shitty mental health for men to begin with. To me stoicism means not to *dwell* in negative emotions, not that we never have any at all. Experience your life in its fullness (joy and pain), do your level best - whatever that is that day, and constantly remember that death is ultimately the finish line for all of us. Mary Oliver nailed it when she asked, “Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?” That, to me, is the pith of stoicism. Taking the circumstances and molding and squishing it into a life. It' ain't being chronically mad at other gamers or pretending that you are unaffected when your soul is begging to weep.
omg broicism is such a good word for it
Broicism is a good term, but I also feel like Ludwig misinterpreted the Tiktok videos wrong in the first place, not just stoicism itself. Of course these videos have a different effect on you, based on if you understand the gist of stoicism or not, so it makes sense that he didn't perfectly understand the messages. I actually think a lot of those videos/the creators understand stoicism. If you are in the algorithm of those videos for a bit, you actually get to an even more amazing side of stoicism-tok (as they call it). It's full of virtues like taking responsibility, not being distracted by temporary emotions, chasing long-term goals and living life with a more positive outlook. And this is also where the Vinland stuff comes in, showing that DESPITE all those horrible things that happened in the past, we can find a way to not get drowned in those negative emotions and come out on top with experience and a new will to live! Sure, there are those phonk-badass-broicism-f everyone-versions, but it didn't seem like Ludwig was talking about those, but the former ones.
We simply need self regulation, self awareness and ability to evaluate and change our behavior
He doesn't really understand what stoicism is though. He just has a loose grasp of it. 😂
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I LOVE, I LIVE for Dr K and Ludwig conversations. I think Ludwig challenges Dr K in a way that is intellectually stimulating for him and also the viewer. Ludwig has reached a place of spirituality (not religious), confidence, acceptance, self love, respect, without realising it and it's almost like they're both on the same page about life and how life works and how to live life but Dr K reached it with intentionality and Ludwig learned through doing life and it's this awesome reverse unpacking of positive mental health as apposed to negative mental health. I love it, everytime.
Exactly! I love their conversations for this exact reason but have never been able to find the words to describe it. Thank you :)
I dunno about intellectually stimulating for the viewer there were a lot of basic things he didn't understand and ran with them anyway.
@@__-bk6mm Many people hold those same misunderstandings that Ludwig has and run with them in their daily life as well, for many viewers that have similar brolike upbringing as Ludwig gain alot from these conversations by putting their behaviors and mentalities into a psychological perspective that they likely have not considered before in the past allowing for their overall understanding of concepts and life to expand.
@@gwarf343 To your question, that generally is the purpose of these interviews. To pick random people's brain and think about stuff from a psychological perspective.
I wouldn't call it intellectually stimulating... An interesting conversation, absolutely.
I think a lot of Ludwig's "confidence" comes from the idea that every decision, every moment in life there is no wrong decision because you just have to make it work; one way or another by correcting yourself, learning from it. It's like he has this ability to find value in anything he does. There is no right or wrong: if it's wrong, then make it right later on; if there is no later on, then do the next right thing which is to move on. Maybe some of the reason is because he doesn't want to overthink things and waste a lot of times; which kind of sometimes make him let external things decide for him (like doing coin flips).
"we'll cross the bridge when we get there"
"ancora imparo (still, i learn)"
It's a kind of amazing mindset that he was able to set himself up to learn and fail a lot, but ultimately, he learns and find ways to succeed no matter what.
I really wish I was like him. His mindset is so awesome.
He's incredibly insecure is all I really pulled from this conversation. I guess he's trying his best to counter it but he takes things waaaay too seriously. Like calling out his chat for calling him soft hands and not understanding it's actually a long running joke to call ppl that..
@@Nojokeimhigh I think you missed the humor here to be honest
@Introspect Kreations while silly name calling and insults such as "soft hands" seems insignificant at first, it may help to put into perspective how often ludwig has to hear the same things everyday with his job. People saying a body part of yours is weird for only a day might be a quick *haha funny* but hearing that everyday becomes annoying until it becomes dehumanizing.
@@depalodor what and who's "humor" would that be? His insecurity or the misunderstanding the OP has? Lol
19:05 Lud- "What's my trauma?" Dr.k- "Playing with these dumbasses" man I love Dr.K
ludwig trying to rationalize acid w/ dr. k was the funniest laugh i had in a while
acid is great though im really not sure what dr k was talking about there
@@abcdefzhij My friend had a horrible trip said it was the worst experience in his life. People can get ptsd. Psychedelics esp. in high doses can be very dangerous.
@@shenshaw5345 Yes I'm well aware of all of that, not disputing that it's risky. But Dr K was saying that there isn't a potential reward with LSD which as far as I can tell is an extremely incorrect claim
@@abcdefzhij As a psychiatrist he's going to have worked with a lot of people who have been messed up from using substances so is naturally going to push back.
@@abcdefzhij he's an addiction professional in his field ima take his word over some chatter 😅
The talks with Ludwig have been some of the absolute best on this channel, already excited for him to come back in a few years
This collab kinda means a lot to me.
Weirdly enough, the first collaboration between these two was my introduction to BOTH creators, both Dr. K Ludwig. I was intrigued by the prospect of talking about death with a well known commentary guy. And it exceeded my expectations. I fell in love with Dr. K’s insight and Ludwig’s charisma and they have become 2 of my favorite channels over the pandemic.
Have learned a lot about myself and how to manage my ADHD from Dr. K over the last year. Thanks for all you do Dr. K. You’re making a real difference in peoples lives.
Idk if people really appreciate that this is a Harvard licensed psychologist putting out hours of free content, not to mention extra esoteric bhuddist and Hindu insights and perspectives This is a gold mine for anyone interested in improving themselves in like any way.
Literally same. Literally
Better yet, he’s actually a psychiatrist meaning that as a part of his psychiatric training he’s also a licensed physician (:
@@Dimitris_Half wow, he's still here on this channel trolling
At least his comment here is gone
Could have wrote the comment myself :P
I think what Ludwig said about "It'll work out because it has to" and "I think trying and failing is really cool" are such powerful statements, and ghe the first one has helped me out of several anxiety spirals before, but I'm still working on being adapting the second one, because the fear of failure is still very debilitating at times
One of the best talks it’s was great seeing dr.k being a little silly at times and lud being a little vulnerable but still funny and serious at times
Dr. K trying his best to understand Ludwig's perspective on acid was one of the funniest things in recent memory. The way he started squinting when Lud said "it's hard" lmao
@@confusedturtle183 right i don't think lud has thought it through though before saying for sure he wants to use it dr.k was so concerned lol
@@chuchiOnline definitely.
Incredible how relatable Ludwig's motivation for exercise is. I didn't even realise it but that perfectly fits my mentality. A sort of "I'll show you" but all it does is make you work hard for people you don't even care about.
"Do you have a guy in your head" section actually helped me so much, Ive never been able to put that little guy inside that helps me through things into words that make that much sense.
1:00:00
Ludwig - "The other dudes on the court won't think I'm hot"
Dr K - "And they won't want to mate with you "
LMAO IM DYING
2:03:45 MANNNN THIS ABSOLUTELY HAPPENS TO ME and I'm surprised Dr.K never heard of anything like this before. This was a huge wall specially with catching up in life because every time I had a spark of motivation to turn things, to change and get back on track, I would have fantasies of me meeting classmates in the metro or other casual places to tell them how well I was doing and the way I was crushing it on life (before actually doing anything!!). And after day dream about it I would just go back to play videogames or start feeling bad about how my classmates were actually doing well at college and in the actual I'm here day dreaming about it. This is not something I struggle with anymore, because I noticed the pattern of it being sustained in ego so I don't engage on those fantasies anymore, or at least I try not to. Also happens with learning a new language, getting a gf, a job, etc etc etc... After day dreaming about it I just don't have the drive anymore.
I think the downgrade of abusing this to "skip" desires to move to something actually meaningful is that, you are feeding your ego in the process, I don't know, it's like exercise a muscle to procrastination, and if you keep day dreaming about stuff you'll do it more and more often and every time it will be harder not to engage in those fantasies. I wouldn't try to use this "skill" to my adventage.
Just leaving a reply for future reference. Banger comment 👑
I did that a few times. It really helped me realise, that ultimately, that's not something I want to pursue, or I savour that idea, and let it go
I do the same thing with high cost purchases that I want to make. If it's a lot of money I'll usually just leave all the items in the shopping cart and then leave it to see if my enthusiasm for the thing(s) dies down. I used to impulse buy here and there when I was younger, but almost never get anything that I ultimately regret these days. I feel as though fantasising about material purchases leaves room for the initial excitement to die down and provides time to reflect on the actual usefulness of said thing.
@@Vibycko yeah thats real like if i visualize myself in the position i want to be in it helps my brain decide whether or not it's something I'd want in the long term if that makes sense
Talking about something you're gonna do is the same thing
I think the part about being "smart" as a child and avoiding anything that requires effort is something I was surprised I related to. I never studied in high school and by the time I got to college and beyond I was afraid of trying hard and failing. The hardest class I ever had in high school was a compiler class (computer science degree) and I kind of gave up half way through because I was afraid of trying my best and still failing. So I just made myself fail by my own volition.
Yup. Parents told me I was smart growing up. Lots of stuff was easy, and I was able to get away with not doing the rest. In highschool that starts to catch up with you and your identity shatters because everything is supposed to be easy for you and if it isn't that's a complete failure of your entire existence. Then I had no work ethic or understanding of how to work hard and focus. Took a while to get that sorted out.
The part I'm curious about with that portion are the edge cases. They are a very small minority, but I saw people who could coast even through undergrad on the most pure academic talent (different from intelligence, important caveat). Had I continued on to grad school, I'm sure I would have seen similar there as well. There are people that are just simply so good at things that their 10 hours are worth your 1,000 hours, in the immortal words of Shroud lol. So those people can actually just chill through life without pushing their limits if they want, and it feels like a loss to society. Their ego may never halt them because their talent is enough.
My initial thought is an importantly distinct follow-up in that we need to attempt to divorce talent, and the results obtained through it, from virtue. There's nothing about being born with talent or having the talent fostered in a proper environment that inherently makes you a better person or of more value. It's all luck. We already know in current capitalism that our success financially or recognition for being a contributor to society aren't really equal to the actual value we provide. But we're still fed that it is from the jump. Why push yourself to your furthest limits if you can barely try and get that financial success or recognition?
Not really sure how that can be tackled though, tbh. It would require a massive culture shift and probably isn't reasonable, but the thought still popped in my head listening to that section.
@@peepopog4279 If someone is able to coast for that long it's not even a choice. The prospect of trying is probably terrifying and exhausting for that kind of person.
Yeah I‘m currently in the process of what you described. Aced high school with no effort, immediately hit a massive wall in medschool, already doing 2 years more due to not attending exams/failing etc. I think I‘m on my way to fix all the stuff like discipline, shame, anxiety but man is it tiring and humiliating seeing everyone passing exam after exam, writing their thesis while I‘m still stuck in 2nd year exams
Huge fan of Dr.k and the discussion of mental health in general
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This conversation was the most enlightening conversation I've ever listened to. SO MUCH stuff to take away. Mind blown🤯
1:35:23 There was a time not too long ago when I sat dormant in my room. I felt emotionless, but then I suddenly felt sad about everything that I felt could use some work in my life. It'd been months since I last cried, but I'd never felt better about it.
This video and others like it are worth more than all the worldly riches. Thanks for conversing, Ludwig and Dr. K. Much love from me, and God bless.
Man, I love this conversation sooooo much. Don’t let us wait another 2 years for an encore.
I watched the previous interview with Ludwig five times. This is also excellent, but in more lighthearted way, I feel unsatisfied I need more of this collabo! Please, make a series with Lud, you two are so wholesome together. It's like Dr K operates on a different level, where we can skip all of the base explanations very fast and get to the very core. Ludwig is so quick and challenges Dr K all the time. This is fenomenal.
i like that ludwigs outlook on life and decision making is basically imma work with whatever the outcome or consequences is rather than worrying about what could go wrong. i remember dr. K spoke about this type of mindset. i forgot if it was his indecisiveness video or how IQ doesnt relate to success.
i think its the indecisiveness video
@ameryrose143 You like that just because that is a very confident mindset, yet, a mindset which thinks it can deal with all challenges until it can't.
Worrying about things up to a reasonable degree isn't entirely useless, it's purpose is to think ahead of the time in order to prevent having to deal with something, which can eliminate a problem entirely because it would never allow it to exist in the first place at all.
There has to be balanced approach depending on the case(something really hard for people irl because you are basically either like this other way very rarely in-between because that's a very fundamental type of behavior), but the balanced approach doesn't tingle the young female mind as unshaken confidence, young women will almost always go for the most confident male who... boasts (usually actually faking) competence until it is being proven otherwise, his feelings, his desires, his dreams? Who cares about that?
Not females, that's for sure.
@@georgeindestructible I think the point is you should make the best and wisest decisions you can but if you make a wrong decision then it generally doesn't really matter because you'll learn to live with the consequences of that (humans are very adaptable) and you can just make the next right decision and you can't go back and change the decision anyway so who cares. You should have worries and knowledge about what could go wrong but that shouldn't paralyze you into indecisiveness
Also that part at the end about the female mind sounds like you attribute your lack of success with women to your lack of confidence and that you're drawing the conclusion that women don't actually care about people if they're not confident. I would suggest that it might be both your belief that women are like that and your want of a girlfriend (at least that's what it reads like) is what's holding you back. I'd imagine if you didn't care and were happy living by yourself (like Ludwig and Dr K talked about) then you would likely would be more attractive and would gravitate towards people who care about you for you
I could be reading too much into it but I personally know a lot of women who are great to be around and care about me and I'm not overly confident or anything so something is clearly different here
This is stoicism in a nutshell. Only worry about things you can control, which are your current actions. Theres no point being anxious about the future because you have no control over the future
I thought this was ANOTHER talk with Ludwig as in a third one but its just the vid version of the 2nd. Still got hella excited and I didnt finish it last time
While I love the utility of making evergreen, topic specific content, these 1 on 1 conversations are always so enjoyable!
The skill level vs stats part clarified for me why I’ve been having difficulty (re)finding passion for my former hobby/current career as a developer. Just the interview process alone is a huge turnoff. It’s almost entirely an assessment of stats instead of a broader competence. This viewpoint is probably further magnified to my detriment since I’m a self-taught female developer, one with several different interests and strong sense of curiosity. This probably explains why one of the best compliments I’ve ever received was about how I frequently pull out my phone on the fly to look something up. And at the same time, it also explains why I’m told I’m a good developer but never with any specificity and with the air of it actually not being good enough.
Most developers have same experience as you do, i mean most of my colleagues do and we are in the same industry.
I graduated the beginning of this year with a degree in comp sci and the job search at the entry level has me extremely demotivated, and feeling depressed 🙃
The skills needed for passing tech interviews is completely different to the skills actually needed on the job, it's insanely frustrating
God, yes. I'm in a very similar position. I've been working as a developer for a few years, as it's been the first think work I've ever done that felt fulfilling, interesting and not miserable, but I've been going without a proper jobs for several months and the job hunting process is fucking miserable.
I remember as a kid seeing news reports at times of high unemployment that featured street interviews with people who have been unemployed and looking for a job for months, and I'd wonder how that happens, and how it feels like. I finally get it.
Dont know how else to explain it but listening to this was like taking a breath of fresh air, stepping through the topics and the ease of redirecting thought patterns just made things in my own head seem a lot less heavy
I love this interaction between dr. k and Ludwig. Dr. K can be very blunt sometimes, and a lot of people try to go into defense mode, but it didn't seem like Ludwig cared. He took everything at face value.
Ah yes, Ludwig seems amazingly healthy and with a great distance to his ego.
I'm only a quarter through the video and I feel like something just clicked in my brain... Thank you Dr. K and Ludwig for helping the lives of so many humans and for entertaining while being true to themselves, respectively.
I really loved when this turned into what I imagine therapy to be like for Ludwig because it felt like there was just so much to take away and relate to
The confidence part and the little guy inside us, were great. It is good food for thought. Thank you both
As a not-yet-qualified coach, it's wonderful to watch how you ask questions, and what you choose to ask about
15:55 "If someone is making a mistake, ask them about it or offer something to them"
Very excited to listen to this. I kid you not the last conversation with Ludwig and more specifically the story from doctor K about the coma patient, changed my perception of conscious vs subconscious.
Same!
Got a timestamp?
@@jasonungefug8330 yeah it starts about 56:55 in the old video with Ludwig. The whole thing is worth listening to imo if you have the time.
I was really pleased to see this conversation go into how having intelligence can create a lack of skills.
I myself have experience with this. I never had to study for anything, and it was only during my senior year of high school, when i took calculus 2 and 3, where i felt my lack of skills truly hurt me. I was still able to brute force my way to an A or B, but that opened my eyes to my deficiency.
Developing those skills now at 19 is much harder than if i had developed them as a child. It will be something i will teach my children.
I was in a very similar boat, I almost failed out of college due to not knowing how to actually study. Thankfully I made it by the skin of my teeth.
Gonna be 24 soon, and lack of skills might be a consequence of being young.
That said, don’t be discouraged by time passing and skills struggling to develop. Whether it blossoms or not isn’t as important as the continuous effort-you never know what skills you’ll end up with because of the journey to acquire a skill.
I feel like I’ve been spiraling downward mentally all year. Lost my job, lost a few friends, but this talk I feel gave me a lot of insight and information I can use to help get back up. Thank you
Nice. Good luck on the next chapter of your life my dude.
Hope ur doing well on ur recovery from those blows
Big fan of the open-ness of Ludwig. Ive been in therapy for almost a year now and its nice to see other forms of therapeutical conversation
Philosphy tube has put out a really good video on stoicism recently for people who are interested! It gives a very clear explanation of the beliefs of stoicism, and also discusses some of its pitfalls. Really helped me understand the mindset as someone who thought it was just about not feeling things like Ludwig before.
the amount of gems in the first 20 minutes where iv gotten to is mind blowing. i legit had to pause and go back to clip this stuff. truely one of the great minds of our generation. ty
First time ever seeing a doctor K video and all I have to say is "wow". The correlation between everyday actions and trauma runs extremely deep. Didn't realize it was league of legends deep but it lowkey is.
Seeing Ludwig rank-up in real time here.
I love listening to Dr K.
It's a very different take on psychology compared to the ones I've seen. Good stuff!
Ludwig is a good listener
It’s pretty amazing actually. And he’s really articulate when responding. His English degree is almost paying off. Almost… 😅
Yeah these two make a great team!
I really love how clearly you can see that Lud thought about the convo last year for the whole twelve months since!
Usually he’s a bit of a goofball on screen so seeing introspection & nuance in his thoughts regarding both last year’s convo & this one is pretty incredible !!
Watching Dr. K studying Ludwig is great :D
Regarding that last part about quitting: when I was at a low point in my life, I had an idea about switching to a different path but I was scared of quitting the path I was already on. I had a conversation with my dad, who told me "the only right thing to do is to do everything 100%. If you can't do whatever you're doing now 100%, you're clearly doing the wrong thing, and you should change your path." It stuck with me ever since.
Wow u had a wise dad
"It's ok to quit as long as you gave it your best shot". That piece of advice is pure gold. This needs to be drilled into my brain. The amount of times I don't even START something because 'what if I fail" - so what, what if I dont? And if I do, so what? I tried. It's ok to put that down and move on to something else. I'm so grateful to finally have this sink in
This was a fantastic chat. Ludwig's mindset towards pursuing goals or letting them go, and Dr. K's explanation of what makes up self discipline, that was really insightful.
Stoicism is great if you actually understand the core concept in it's traditional context
I loved hearing about the "little guy." I think I am a bit behind Ludwig with respect to my relationship with the guy, but in generally the same situation. So, hearing Ludwig talk about the guy made me feel very validated and normal. Then, Dr. K talking about about the deeper level showed me something new and forged a bunch of connections in my mind. I would love to hear more on the subject!
"I chose and my life was shaken, so what? The choice may have been mistaken, the choosing was not...Just keep moving on"
I have known about you for a while but never consumed content. I recently started watching some streams and wanted to say, you’ve inspired me to continue my mental health journey and to start it for my child.
The thing about learning was so on point. I'm not learning a lot of things and it's fun only NOW.
Wow! I absolutely loved Ludwigs perspective on quitting, that everything always works out, and that there are no wrong choices. I gained a lot from conversation and it helped me finally understand some things about myself. It was very valuable for me and many other people. Your works is AMAZING Dr.K!
Having Jerma on the show would be really interesting. Behind all his goofs and gags is a very wise and intelligent person who has taught a lot of meaningful stuff to the community.
What they talked about at 1:58:00 is something that I read about in Atomic Habits. The difference between setting goals and setting systems. Once you accomplish a goal, that's it. But systems build habits that can last indefinitely (Something like that at least). Setting targets is good, but they should be milestones on your journey rather than an endpoint of self-improvement. Keeps you from crumbling when you get there. But to a degree, everyone is different and whatever works for you, works.
I have the opposite experience where I work really hard for my grades and got praise over it. This would lead to myself studying lots of hours to leave up to that expectation of a good student. Later in high school, I started to notice my result wasn’t as it use to where my hard work stop giving the results I wanted and would worry about my grades falling and would study more hours as a result giving no room to rest. This continue until middle of 10th grade where Covid happened where I couldn’t work on my assignment at the same home as I rest, so I abandoned my home work and wouldn’t do them for the rest of high school. This was the time where I step back in life and started going to therapy to figure out what I wanted to do in life. Few years later, my mental health is good now and have a problem of figuring out where I want to go in life as I felt stuck deciding which path and working toward that path
1:25:40 it's amazing how he's blowing Ludwig's mind (and mine for that matter). I have NEVER heard of this approach before. And it makes so much sense! THIS IS FASCINATING
I agree with the unmet need for male validation that is filled by the alpha manosphere people. but i also think that the inflamatory nature of their rhetoric is encouraged and boosted by the algorithms. more nuanced and validating content is not as inflamatory (which increases engagaement) and therefore is shared to fewer people. Its much more of an uphill battle for more wholesome content for men to be promoted. I hope this will be figured out becuase it is important
The entirety of social media and "trying to become viral" has this problem. Wish we had solutions.
personally i think the profit motive is a big factor with social media. platforms are optimizing their algorithms for engagement so they can show more ads. I think if we made a platform without a profit motive the algorithm could be designed to promote different things. But im sure theres lots of other factors too
THE GUY IN YOUR HEAD CONVERSATION!! Never related to a conversation more. I think im in a stage in between where Ludwig and Dr. K are where I can understand that the guy in my head is just the me who can look at things objectively but I can't see what lies beyond that guy. I just wish Dr. K had expanded on that I feel like I could have taken the next step in understanding myself better and being in tune with myself better. Idk if felt like as he said that, I was beginning to realize something and then the conversation went in a different direction after that.
Ludwig's algorithm for success:
1. Pick something.
2. If you fail at it: quit, go back to 1 and pick something you haven't picked before.
3. You are now successful.
Give yourself a time limit (or maybe effort limit) for step 2, such that you don't spend infinite time there.
“What is pathology?” 11:30 mark.
Fantastic, if you don’t know a word that was just used in conversation have the confidence to ask. Well done.
Stoicism as a philosophy isn't about not having emotions, it's about processing them in a healthy way combined with radical acceptance of the consequences that life places on us.
I actually learned a lot from this video. Biggest point to me was the "self" talk. I tried it out and instead of thinking about doing something uncomfortable, I looked deeper down and I already knew what I wanted and there was no discussion. I still felt uncomfortable and anxious, but I just triggered the "stoicism" part of the talk and accepted those emotions and was unreactive. I felt those emotions and said, "this is what I need to do for what I want" and then I did it.
37:57 this interaction had me ROLLING. “What does electric with your rays mean?”
“I have magnets in my bullets”
“Everything will work out” philosophy I’ve always lived with. Had a rough childhood and everything has always worked out. I try not to stress much, because thing will always work out in the end.
I just want to support the idea of getting Jerma on to talk about literally whatever. Him being an older streamer who’s gone through a lot of growth would be a fascinating listen.
I love so much that we get this humanized look at streamers who are often playing a character.
we could all benefit so much from conversations like this with peers and loved ones
"Negative emotions are not the same as suffering"
I think a lot of us might benefit from a talk about self-communication.
Things like note-taking, creating plans for establishing positive habits/routines, listening to your negative emotions without getting carried away without a predetermined endpoint, and understanding how to use different conceptualisation techniques for different problems. I’d really value your perspective on any and all of these topics, as I think many of us don’t really have a strong foundation for many of these essential topics.
Hi Dr. K. Could you please make a video about learning? I always wonder if watching the solutions to physics problems helps you understand the physics and increase your performance on future physics problems.
For me, learning has defo become easier the older i've gotten, which i assume is simply due to an increased interest in learning in general and then discipline.
Huge fan of Dr.K and Ludwig and the discussion of mental health in general.
Such good awarness brought to the world and channel.
As someone who's tripped on acid many times, I hard agree with Dr. K on his stance. I'd never had a panic attack in my life before tripping, and now, almost 6 years since my last psychedelic experience, I still regularly experience debilitating panic attacks and in general anxiety levels significantly higher than I'd have even thought realistically possible before I tried it. Some people have an amazing time, some people have positive life changing trips, but I just don't think it's worth the risk of permanently being traumatized and possibly developing a panic disorder, or even triggering underlying psychosis depending on your brain chemistry and family history. I'd do just about anything to go back to the way my brain was before acid.
Love seeing the follow up, makes me think the both of you together are perfect for introduction to/lets talk about ... by means of just exploring the topic in a conversation. Thanks!
Dr. K and Jerma would be so epic to see, hope they talk sometime in the future
This ended up being one of the most interesting conversations I've watched on this channel. Thanks to the both of you!
14:55 "Don't tell your teammates what to do, ask them questions"
I’d love to see more talks with lud, I’d love to see Jerma on too
25:56
I consider myself to be pretty mentally healthy. I've been practicing stoicism for probably the majority of my life at this point.
But I'm still human, and sometimes I forget.
This was a good reminder. Helped me deal with today.
Big ups 👍
The talk was great. Especially the part about inner voice, while a bit hard to follow, was very interesting, informative and thought provoking. Can't wait to properly process all that and maybe make a new discovery about myself
I haven't watched Dr. K much aside from a few podcasts - this is certainly the first where it's with him leading/running things - but I love how he continually comes back to points that were described previously and relates them altogether to form a healthy mind. I also love how he uses general data a lot because I definitely picked up examples and got a better understanding of things I do as well that may have been a little harder to grasp if dealing with only specific instances.
All around, it may have been the association of Ludwig that brought this to my recommended, but I'm glad I stayed and watched because I'm definitely leaving this slightly more knowledgeable than I came in.
I was so interested in the idea of fantasy curbing your goals and letting you live in reality, instead of living a fantasy/ "watching the replay while you live". this would be a cool topic to dive deep on. I wanted to add that in reality things never play out how they would in a fantasy and in that sense truly living your life and letting your fantasies be unwound allows you to live in the moment more freely and maybe even achieve more that you could possibly imagine. like your so called Goal is more of an intention and "moving towards it or even past it."
It is interesting, though I have to say I'm somewhat skeptical fantasy can actually do that. Maybe what fantasy can do is help reveal what you actually want. For instance if I fantasize about being a successful UA-camr (like I have in the past) and that fantasy satisfies me, then it means I probably don't actually have an interest in obtaining the actual thing, I just want to "feel" successful. If it doesn't satisfy me, then that means there is something beyond my desire to feel successful that I want. You could theoretically keep doing this until you drill down into your core desires. However, the example of relationships is a bit more complicated. You probably won't curb your desire for a relationship by fantasizing about it because most people actually want the relationship, not the simulated, fleeting half-feeling of being in one that an imagined scenario might produce. So, I don't think it really works a hack for curbing desires for scenarios like being in a relationship, but it may have applications. A video on it would be interesting.
The last part was beautiful! As long as you make a decision you can't be wrong. Being indecisive is the wrong thing
Having to live abroad for so long and getting prejudiced comments, looks and what not I have always found it that dispelling it is as easy as going to introduce yourself.
Hey! i am so so, I am one of your neighbors and I have been here for so and so and if you see me around please say hi if you want and if you need anything let me know.
It changes how people see you and it gives them a bit of perspective.
Dr. K talking about how you should ask your teammates questions instead of telling them what to do in online games made me so proud since I recently figured that out by myself :)
The stoicism ludwig talked about was definitely not mainly stemmed from vinland saga 2, it came with the whole andrew tate movement and everyone wanting to make money and stop being depressed.
Yes, although Andrew Tate is so far from displaying the ideals of Vinland Saga and the message it goes for
bro that runescape defence prayer analogy for trauma really hit for me
the convos with lud are my favorite. the balance between comedy and articulated thoughts, make me laugh and go "OHHHH" I haven't thought of that.
When Dr.K talked about how he would self sabatoge in order so save his ego, I saw an ugly reflection of myself. One of the things I dislike most about myself is how i dont apply myself so i can keep making the excuse of "if I actually tried, it wouldve been different."
If I had to describe how I view this behavior I have it would be "Im so afraid of failure that I never allow myself to succeed."
As a medical student, the number of people in my class who are here on ego is astounding to me
Whats here on ego? Im a med student too
why are you surprised
@@haramshibaharamshiba9558 I'm not surprised it happened, just at the sheer percentage
When they talked about how people viewed big decisions as right and wrong, I couldn’t stop thinking about making an analogy from tears of the kingdom cus I’ve been addicted for the past two weeks, but it goes like this; you only have two weapons left, you’ll either have to play with a double handed sword that is slow but hits heavy or a spear which is super fast but isn’t very impressive in terms of damage. Neither decision is wrong, but it drastically effects how you will navigate the fighting situations in the game. If you view big decisions more like they’re just different ways of playing the same game (rather than it being winning or losing the game) then it’s just like Ludwig said, “There’s no wrong decisions.”
Okay, this is freaking mind blowing conversation.
Fav part was Ludwig’s rant about the little guy in his head need more content like that
I feel like I might watch this a few more times (maybe a couple of days apart) because there are some very interesting ideas in it that kinda blew my mind.
I would like to add something I thought about with regard to the discussion of worth ethic starting from 1:55:50.
Dr K addressed many factors and traits that lead someone to have "good work ethic". Here's a brief dot point summary:
- Concentration
- Discipline
- Overcoming natural impulses
- Habit formation
- Supportive environment
- Skill in focusing
- Emotional awareness
- Managing emotions
- Introspection relating to societal expectations
- Aligning work ethic behind personal intentions
I noticed that many of those points are closely linked to executive functions, namely, concentration, self-motivation, impulse inhibition, focusing and emotional regulation. So I wonder how children growing up and developing their executive functions would have unique difficulties if they had developmental delays in these areas, such as those with ADHD, autism, etcetera.
I understand that everyone has great abilities to change their habits and daily interactions with life and themselves over time, but I can also imagine that people with less functional executive abilities, especially kids, could possibly be starting from an inherently disadvantaged position.
Just wanted to share my thoughts!
I'm a half hour in but man I love watching these conversations.
I wish I could have a conversation with Dr. K. I’m sure he’d help me get through with my interpersonal issues. He does a great job expanding the other persons perspective and showing how things really are and what could be done to fix it
ludwig mentioning the ‘I have no enemies’ trend to dr k was pretty funny. Vinland saga s2 has been really interesting to me but it’s sad to see people losing interest because thorfinn is ‘boring’ now.
Growing up is realizing history class was awesome. It had so many cool philosophies, ethical questions, moments, and even the coolest people. I've learned a lot from people that lived their entire lives before I was even born. And that's so cool to me.
I wonder what other stuff I dislike now that I might fall in love with later! Happy learning folks! Being smart is overrated, just work hard and have fun learning!