Toshiba Satellite Pro C660 - no power repair - The world is changing and i don't think i like it
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You're totally right, older laptop designs are way better in terms of repairability. But nowadays, even the most honest manufacturers followed the dark path opened by Apple and many others, realizing that planned obsolescence is a very strong concept and a good source of income.
so true.
'Everything I don't like is planned obsolescence'
planned obsolescence and root kits/backdoor in the bios so the FBI can spy on people that raised hell at a school board meeting.
It''t not always planned obsolescence I think (exept Apple who deliberitly designs it that way). It has more to do with relative cheap chips that are now available that integrate multiple components in one chip. That is detrimental to the repairability of the device if the chip is not available, or the troubleshooting becomes more difficult.
The evil concept is not increased complexity, it’s deliberately not making repair possible by not providing access to parts and documentation to allow at least vetted repair shops to fix things. Chips without markings, no schematics, etc.
And yes, the only reason is greed. Business is business and business must grow. Lorax, out! 😎
This is exactly why I still use my Toshiba Tecra A8 as my main laptop and why I bought a Toshiba Portege Z30T-C from 2016 a couple of years ago for doing some other higher-end engineering work. Nothing beats Toshiba for quality and reliability.
Tecra A8 - that's loyalty ! Just about quick enough esp. if you can run Windows 8 or 7. A DDR2-based lappy running Win 10 is pushing it a bit, for me. But the Tecra line always had a certain something, like IBM/lenovo thinkpads in a way
you know Sorin.... I'm still using a Sony Vaio VPCSA (from 2011 - back then it was $1200+) because it's made of Magnesium and Aluminum chasis and a carbon fiber back screen (not a crappy flimsy plastic like the moderen laptops design) .. it's a 13.3" HD+ , Core i7 2nd Gen 3Ghz Dual Core.. 12GB Ram 512 Lif Raid 0 SSD + 2TB HDD running Windows 11 Pro 23H2 with no problems at all... "OLD BUT GOLD"
A customer brought me one of these with two broken USB ports for repair. I bought a working C660 i3 from eBay this month for £50 which included an SSD, 6GB RAM, Windows 11 and Office 2019. At that price not worth repairing the old one ;) The SSD is well worth it, speeds the laptop up a lot.
I still use a T400 lenovo thinkpad, for around 12 years. Everything is solid, just upgraded to SSD and got a ddr3 1600 and just works. Battery, screen, charger works. Of course, I use Linux enviroment on it, but even in my job using a i7 10a generation computer with 64GB ram memory, my laptop makes the same work. I had a Toshiba before this, and i still have it working.
Simplicity is the essence of everything.
Happened to me many times with shortened keyboards (water damage). When I have no power on, I disconnect the battery, ram, touchpad and keyboard until I get something. I was not surprised! 😊
nice video, and i totally agree with you Sorin. not long ago we had reliability, repairability and function over form, nowadays we have sealed batteries, soldered ram modules and ssd's, and proprietary software that can render your device useless ,but hey at least we got shiny screens with a billion colors and paper thin devices...with an expiration date
100% !!! Soldered RAM, soldered WiFi modules, sealed batteries, keyboards embedded with the top cover, multiple bios chips...we are heading to the era when laptops will be single chip machines. nothing to repair, buy a new one.
I have a Lenovo gaming laptop from this era and it's day and night compared to the new ones. Standard barrel charger, a few screws to take out the keyboard, removable battery, the back has openings for wifi, disc, CPU, you can upgrade the RAM, HDD and so on.
I have three laptops toshiba A-300 , two with independent graphics card and they are over ten years old here in Greece we call them dogs of war.Oldschool forever.I'm with you 100% professor Sorin.
A-300 is a classic one. Used to have few of those years ago
You're 100% right, notebooks got cheaper (for manufacturers) and worst for us consumers, all in an attempt to make it break more and people needing to buy more. That's how our world is going on, we are being charged for everything, soon our laptops, smartphones maybe will be on a subscription plan LOL, that's their dream.
Well that last part is kinda happening, with some gaming laptops that have as gaming a cloud subscription, and as hardware the same as a Chromebook. Lol
Windows 12 is rumoured to be subscription.
OMG, I'm using that very same laptop for university. It's manufacturing date is 2011. It had an issue where it wouldn't turn on after many years of not using. The issue was in the power supply. Sooo easy fix, just swap power cord and psu, and done. Very glad the case was that simple. And also, I very rarely hear laptops stop working beacuse of fault from psu. Old but gold
I once repaired a satellite pro p200, and literally fell in love with it, at the point I was refusing to sell it, a pain to dismantle, but beautiful.
I've just done that! Toshiba EQUIUM P200. Although it's not the pro version. It's a beast. God knows what it was worth back in the day. Sadly the motherboard only accepts 2Mb of Ram. But, it works, on Win 10. Using ethernet port for internet.
I had that too with the same model, but with white color, I even installed MacOS Catalina on it, those were the days. THanks Zorin!
I have a Medion which I bought around 10 years ago. Still running Windows 7. Have spilt sherry over the keyboard twice. Apart from 2 or 3 sticky keys, it still works to this day lol
😂 bravo sir thank you very much I been dreading having to fix A old in New condition Toshiba s955 that I fixed then as I finished booting started looking through it just shut off no light nothing dead I thought motherboard... but keyboard was faulty so I'm almost 100% sure this is the issue your a wizard sir
Those C660 units are something of a "pinnacle" for repairability POV & it's all gone to the dogs since then. It's commercial pressure to minimise thinness, combine as much functionality into the fewest chips. Once I accidentally (honest!) threw a Toshiba Sat pro 4270 out of my car onto the tarmac & it carried on working ok, a few scuffs
There was definitely a "sweet spot" era where laptops (and Desktops) were standardizing key components and were normally repairable. The early early laptops from Compaq, before standard modules and interfaces, it was the wild wild west! In those early days with no standards it was a real test of skills to sort out all those ASICs and PLCs and proprietary memory configurations. I don't miss those days, but I agree moving forward is looking more and more fragile and troublesome.
yes, Compaq had some really batty ideas back in the day. Do you remember those old Compaq Pentium 1 & 2 base unit PCs, the whole ROM/BIOS setup thing was the most god-awful convoluted nightmare. The industrial-grade grey & blue IBM PCs of the same era were a walk in the park by comparison. And Dell Optis were pure joy
Thank you for old laptop repair!❤
I read a long time ago an answer that I liked. Here I transcribe it verbatim: "Manufacturing companies have "forgotten" the concept: We need to build a functional, durable product, appreciated (valued) by its owner and that when it breaks down, the basic knowledge of applied physics, allow us to solve it, in a simple, logical and as affordable way as possible". All the best.
More complex more problems, love the old school designs compartments on the batterys, ram, storage and keyboard crews.easy upgrade and fix.
Have you ever opened a laptop and a roach comes out???
Great video sir 🙂
C660 and C655 were so easy to work on. 😊
It's true. 2010 through 2012 era ThinkPad machines are the most reliable computers i have ever owned.
I replaced like two charging port on these models. also did two case swaps because of broken hinges. but that was it. otherwise it was all just cleaning and upgrading all the time.
This development also applies to cars. More complex, more problems 👍🏻🤝🏻🇳🇱
man... today a client dropped the same c660 for new KB and full cleaning... just before closing... cleaned it( owned byheavy smoker) , ordered new KB... started assembly... not powering on... damn luck
I agree with Sorin that some elements of old computers were realy nice, like changeable batteries, RAM and HDD. Even CPUs were socketed and could be upgraded.
The answer to "what was wrong with old design" is the manufacturing costs. They cut the costs. And that's why we have all soldered, non-changeable and cheap.
I had a 17 inch Toshiba for over 10 years
Same design on my Dell inspiron 15xx,Very easy to take care off :)
You're getting a UK keyboard right?? 🤣🤣 Toshiba made great stuff years ago, I still have their 52"DLP TV, almost 20 years now, just change the bulb every couple of years.👍 Too bad they are being sold, an example of what happens when you build stuff that lasts and easy to repair.🥴 Nowadays, getting parts can be an issue.
This model has a removable cpu too and the battery lasts for a while the only issue is the keyboard durability, the masking tape on the bios battery is from factory usually there are two pieces of tape
i have one of these toshiba sattelite series its probably a L850 and its still usable i only installed an ssd on it these laptops are built like tank they are pretty good
several times a week I spend explaining that whatever is wrong is from much earlier in the life of the laptop - overheating, spills, corrosion.. "But it was fine!" until it's not...
I still have my exact laptop Toshiba, works perfectly till today, it was even stolen and recovered back in 2007😁 feels good to see one getting fixed,😁
Does anyone know if I can up the ram speed on this old laptop
you had another clip with that modl, i searc it when i needed to open mine ,wich it had broken hinge and wsshuig down.
Yes. Things are going crazy. I change my car tail lights for couple of euros. But if it was led type and broke I would need hundreds.
That was very interesting, thanks.
They call it progress Sorin!
I used to have 2 of these...i loved them but sadly had to give them away when i moved house...
Oddly enough one of them had the same ish symptoms except it threw my AC adapter into Overcurrent protection,
In my genius wizdom i plugged in my Universal charher which DIDN'T have any short protection and blew out the shorted capacitor by the battery connector violently....
It started working after that 😂
CPUs were socketed and could be upgraded, i used to put i7 640m in this era laptops
totally agreed getting compact and complex
I've got a similar issue with HP G6-2nd Gen. I've got few of those with the same issue: without HDD runs fine but when you plug HDD it doesn't start up.
Sorin. Why you dont try to fix keyboard?
I still recommend Toshiba c850 i5 laptop for people. It's all you ever need for general home use. And peanuts in Oz.
I think the thing that makes these laptops so reliable is that they weren't designed for gaming, mainly office work.
Now, the successor of Toshiba laptops, Dynabook, does not make the same quality anymore.
nice repair
@Electronics Repair School
I have the same Toshiba C660 laptop. There were problems with it from the very beginning when it was new. The service replaced the keyboard and it didn't help. Just move the plug gently in the power socket and the laptop turns off. This problem still exists. I don't touch the power connector and the laptop can work 24 hours a day without any problems, I touch the plug inserted into the socket and the laptop turns off. So how do you explain that it's a keyboard and not a power socket?
The motherboard has no signs of flooding, damage, etc.
2:03 yeap the PS is behind the keyboard!!!jeje lol!!!!!
What is the device you are using to measure current inline with the charger lead?
Hey Sorin hope your good thanks for the video. Im stuck today on a HP I cannot find a certain IC. Its marked G2= its a wqfn 36 pin 8*4 device appears to be a dual mosfet driver. Richtek (RT*****) seems to be the maker of it, however there is nothing in their catalogues for it and they wont respond to me so assume its a custom part. Cant find schematics either, you ever seen this one ? :(
Can you please look at the keyboard with thermal camera. I want to see where is getting hot. Thank you
You used to be able to find all the schematics of these online.
Hello🤝good old days👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👋👋👋👋👋
Just like all consumer electronics the older models are far better made and are a pleasure
to work on. and can be repaired subject to available parts.
Todays ultrathin models are not designed to be repaired, so the right to repair is pointless.
We live in a very wasteful times.
Am TOSHIBA laptop P750 cpu i7 8gb ram, video intel și Nvidia, rulez în dual boot linux și Windows 11 fără probleme pe un HDD mecanic , funcționează ca in prima zi.😅😅😅
Hello acer pc is not surplaing the power on the usb pots sir
For the price of the repair of this laptop you can buy 2 working secondhand laptops of this model... But I hate throwing things in the garbage if it can be repaired as well. ..
where are you based for your repairs?
a good design from toshiba, c660 c640 l745 m500 etc etc 😊
Zillions of C660s used by schools, public sector as robust etc. , dirt cheap now & if you max out the CPU, still great bangs for your bucks
I have the same laptop Toshiba box in White, but with AMD/ Nvidia I have an issue like that I solve with a less amp power supply..
👌☺️👍 Thank's for the ideas about this one. I did not opened it for now, I stand to change the drive with SSD. I think there are too much securities and low level AI inside, because they think we are stupid. And some are, really, so they play programed obsolescence for them to buy a new.
A secret way to turn it on, is to continuously press the pwr button 50x.
I've had this laptop for 10 + years and still runs today. but the battery last like 2 hours 😂
I think the good things about modern laptops are standardized usbc chargers and standardized docks through usbc/thunderbolt. I would totally buy a big bulky repairable plastic box like this if it had those amenities. No need to be as nice as a framework to be futureproof.
Why do you need USBC? Usbc is also very criticised by Sorin and for good reason
@@silviuguseila2552 it lets me use a thunderbolt dock and keep that dock with screens & keyboard between my work & home laptop
Back then each brand had docking stations with proprietary connectors for business laptops only.
what's wrong about usbc?
Hello acer pc is not surplaing the power on the usb pots sir the old model
This reminds me of a class action against Chrysler, They got caught with software that would disable the fuel injectors, light and horn flashing, software in all 3 to 6 computers in the car. All because you opened the trunk with a key and then the passenger door reaching thrue the window to the inside handle. Yes that was one of many triggers in this booby trap software, that 60 start-stops cycles later, would total the car. If you changed one of those computers, without taking it to Chrysler, 60 start-stops cycles later all of the computers would be disabled. Of course the computer knew the date and mileage so not to self destruct during the warranty. Don't try to look this up on Google, it will be blocked, You have to use a proxy server in Europe. Chrysler, GM, and Ford all settled out of court, to reprogram those computers at no cost, but no compensation for all the totaled cars, looks like a bribe to me.
@ sorin: problem with theese design is: thicker overall chassis, more weight, more screws, more material = more cost
Compared to HP, Toshiba were always busting a gut to minimise number of screws, & typically almost all of the screws would be the same type/size besides kbd screws
Its a common issues on these laptop and Toshiba is aware about it.
haha true! you will never find port like that broken its tank! :)
I think someone took apart the laptop to clean and damaged the keyboard connector from inside. I think the keyboard is working fine... The problem is the connector.
What happened to beginners chanel
I bet you get a lot of faulty Toshibas, I had 2 Toshiba laptops and both fell apart pretty quickly.
they don't make them like that any more one of toshiba best ever laptop models
baterie cmos proti klavesnice kovove. baterie + klavesnice kov - = zkrat. klavesnice zmackni pod problem baterie .
Why to do simply when we can complicate it
There is an old saying. If you don't know what this is all about, it's about money :)
Have same laptop, it's from 2011 and was pretty fast. Screen hinges broke on it though (i break everything) and i have it thrown somewhere.
Those computer shops just do not do basic tests before sending the laptops.
and Sorin said they're local repair shop, and they didn't even bother check for basic test
@@maklogetrich2378It is better for Sorin, gets easy jobs 😁
открутил четыре винта, снял клаву - починил ноут, профит -)
in a consumer society, repairing is bad form -)
oh no power cos of the keyboard faulty
Consumers want more for less so to cut costs manufacturers dont make things like they used to, they make the manufacturing process as cheap as they can which is why I believe keyboards are integrated in to the case with the motherboard screwed on to the keyboard where they used to be screwed in to the bottom of a laptop case. Consumers have gotten what they asked for, cheaper laptops - you can get a laptop for just £150 NEW - is it worth repairing in years to come? No. False economy as a well built/designed/expensive laptop can last a lifetime as it's worth repairing etc.
Sadly it's true, they just complicated the simple
Rising the complexity is for that, that you throw it away and buy new...world is changing because of money. All is about money.
wrong with this design that maybe you can short the motherboard while replacing the keyboard ;D
Keyboard short, EC follow the short
People want lightweight thin laptops. Manufacturers reducing wight as well as cost because people are buying on price.
"The best part is no part. " - Elon Musk
"We don't need Lidar" Also Elon Musk... CEO of kamikaze cars.
@@JohnBailey39we don't need a rain sensor. elon mUsk, 6 years later, wipers still not working in Auto.
We don't need parking sensors. 1 year later, Tesla is the only car that has no working Park Assist
In the end, everything comes to the money. Not just with laptops, with everything. Our societies revolve around money. Everybody wants more money and this is the end result.
less feature, more complexity
less weight, worse build quality
that's the world we are living in today
That's a NaStY laptop lol.... Look at that tiny Touchpad! Eeeeeew!
Monster
The keyboard madness should be addressed by the EU government like they did with forcing adoption of the usbc on every mobile device.
What is this a local computer repair shop can't fix it - why are they in business then?????
Probably software work, like reinstalling Windows all day long, and do not want to waste time to diagnose hardware issues. If you have a high volume of software issues, you can afford to ditch hardware issues. Or maybe they do not have skilled techs.
70 pound ?? i can buy a second hand laptop ...
First l mean
Fist to comment
Whats wrong with the design ..... a 4kg laptop and 2hour battery life.
Versus a glued together laptop .... 1kg and 8hours of battery life.
Now choose!
An all metal VW Beetle vs a glued together carbon fiber F1 car .... now choose.
A beautifully crafted carriage and a horse vs a car. And on a cold winters night
you can sleep with the horse to keep you warm .... now choose.
"Whats wrong with the design ..... a 4kg laptop and 2hour battery life.
Versus a glued together laptop .... 1kg and 8hours of battery life." - one is throwaway when something goes wrong, the other one isn't. Now choose. Also, C660s weigh in at 2.64kg, for the record. And modern cars increasingly need to be serviced expensively by just a few highly-equipped tech operations, not just any old guy in your local area
The improved battery life is to a big extent due to recent low-power cpu & memory as opposed to the laptop design & manufacturing
Yes, the C660s are no heavyweight . Unless you're referring to pretty recent kit.
@@daffyduk77
The old stuff was built to last and with ease of repair in mind. Today's stuff is way faster, but being mostly glued
together, it is not intended to be repaired. Or at least repairs require messy gluing everything back together. And if
you find yourself with a modern phone and laptop, in the desert in the midday sun, these gadgets are very likely to
become de-glued, unstuck, and fall apart in your hands. Different standards. And knowing these pros and cons,
you make your choice ... rugged reliability and longevity vs short-lived speed. And both old and new have at times
included pleasing aesthetics. We live in a fast and cheap throw away society. But, when people get old: they hold
onto the old stuff. The throw away stuff ... has been thrown away. And the old stuff ... holds stupendous value. As
I said, you can't really compare the old and the new: different standards apply.
Hello acer pc is not surplaing the power on the usb pots sir
Hello acer pc is not surplaing the power on the usb pots sir the old model