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Nursey Cryme was my first ever Genesis Album .. my mother god Bless her braved the circa 1971 record counter at Boots .. and bought it for me..! I knew where she hid our Christmas gifts so I secretly sneaked the record out of the album sleeve.. replaced it with another... (I had some morals).. and listened to it endlessly in the few weeks before Christmas
Nursery Cryme was the first Genesis album I heard.....i was about 15 years old at the time. 'The Musical Box' grabbed my ears right from the start and the album went from one amazing song to the next. I spent hours looking at the album illustrations and re-reading the lyrics.Very surreal and so original. 'For Absent Friends' and 'Harlequin' are simply beautiful. The power and majesty in 'The Fountain of Salmacis' is amazing. And enter Steve Hackett on guitar and Phil Collins on drums! Masterful.
There is just something special about this band that is so completely different from any other group that's ever made music. They are much more than just prog rock. Their music is as unique as can possibly be, and it will be played long after they've passed on. I would be extremely proud of what Genesis has done over their 40 years if I were one of them. It's a blast to watch these videos too, to get this insight into these albums.
Listening to Pete and Tony talk about creating music together, I can hear what very conflicting and different musicians they are, yet seem a perfect match for each other.
I abandoned Genesis after Wind and Wuthering, and the departure of Steve Hackett, who brought such a yearning, mystical element to the group, and also could make it explode on a dime - like in "The Musical Box"! I love "Lamb", and "Selling England", but there was an unpolished, darker, and I might say- feminine/chaos quality to "Nursery Cryme" that keeps me tethered to this FANTASTIC record! And the arrival of Phil Collins, and Hackett took EVERYTHING to a higher, more powerful level.
Couldn't agree with you more about Nursery Cryme; I love that "feminine/chaos" quality of the songs on that album which Hackett & Collins had a lot to do with.
Nice insight, man. I really like the PG-era Genesis albums, but Nursery Cryme is the one I come back to more than the others combined and it's because of that "unpolished, darker" feel. The songs really stand the test of time very well:) Cheers
Mark Darnell abandoning Genesis after W&W was a mistake, there’s still plenty to like on some of the later albums especially Duke, I do acknowledge they lost something when Steve left, that extra bit of darkness maybe, but there was still some lovely stuff afterwards, songs like heathaze off Duke, Dodo off abacab and burning rope off ATTWT , all great tunes.
Not sure which album I heard first as walked into my older brother's bedroom one lunchtime whilst I was at school (age 15 - over 30 year's ago) and picked up a Genesis album, layed on his bed with his headphones on and was late for school. I did this most days for ages. I had never heard anything like it and felt it was my little secret when I went back to school. Every album I played was amazing whether it was Gabriel or Collins. Loved every album up to & including The Duke
I'd never really thought about it before but these interviews show they were becoming technically, as well as artistically, creative. Anyway, this was my first Genesis record and I treasure it to this day.
The seeds of The Musical Box chords came from Anthony Phillips as well. There are demos of his playing parts that would eventually become that song. A shame he left after Trespass.
The sound of the album is more organic than their others, one ''feels'' the instruments better, it is like entering an enchanted world. It is a great example of artists that try to find for the first time together their best musical ability and possibilities and actually find it. That eagerness and quest is in each song here. This is that peak for them. Eg the track Seven Stones is one of the best songs ever - driven by haunting deep guitar layers with mellotron, steered by fabulous drums, with great melody. The album is sometimes pretty extreme; some of their rougher sounds and dynamics here came back much later to music, eg in metal and grunge, while some of the more delicate sounds here are almost classical. Very very special.
I can't believe that i can't see Peter Gabriel play with Genesis. I was born in 1976 and genesis are my favorite band ever. I wanna a Genesis Reunion, just one time.
+Cigar Dave No he wasn't... he just wanted an instrumental section while Peter wanted to sing over it. Just another disagreement which happens in bands all the time. But Tony said that when they played it live, he realized how powerful it was with singing over it, so there.
+TheRedfire555 If I remember, he said a similar thing about Supper's Ready: how he wanted to have an instrumental section after the big keyboard solo, you know when all this long chords come in (the "666 is no longer alone..." part), he wanted those to be on their own for contrast. So Pete, as he apparently used to do, recorded his vocals when he was alone and then presented Tony and the others with the finished thing. But on that occasion too, Tony realised it did sound better with Pete's vocals on that part. I'm seeing a pattern here XD
After being dismissive of Genesis for all of my 52 years, I, at the behest of a fellow prog rock aficionado, recently decided to give their early work a look. I hadn’t until now because of a prejudice formed from the ‘Phil Collins at-the-helm’ radio stuff (and I think understandably so), but having always admired Peter Gabriel’s solo stuff, my mates recommendation had ripened the little bit of curiosity I’d always had about their early work. Anyway, wow. I started with Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound, and am now working through Nursery Cryme and ‘The Lamb’, and these 4 albums are absolutely brilliant. Genesis, with Peter Gabriel on vocals and Steve Hackett on guitar, are a wondrous combination and an entirely different beast to the Mark II version. They have dominated my turntable for the last 3 months and I can’t get enough of their virtuosity. Indeed, Phil Collins, the drummer, has more than redeemed Phil Collins the shrill singer. His work on these records is mind blowing and he is now forgiven for the million and one times I’ve suffered his wretched “Su Su Sudio” in supermarket aisles.
The impact Genesis had in the early 70's is hard to describe. Their music was like nothing else I have heard before. After Peter left, it was a different band, a clear departure from their earlier direction, so for us, older fans, there was no confusing the two. If you start in reverse order, you really need to forget these two bands had the same name.
Oh, we hear ya on that "Sussudio" shite. As much as I love their body of work overall, there are nevertheless some tracks that I NEVER play (e.g. W&W's "Your Own Special Way", ABACAB's "Whodunnit"). I also despise Phil's solo track "I Don't Care Anymore". However, Phil is STILL my favourite drummer.... over and above Neil Peart, and I daresay even Bill Bruford (an extremely close second). Cheers.
My favorite Genesis album always and forever. I am a bit surprised that Peter thinks this is darker than Trespass because that album is very gloomy IMO where Nursery Cryme is brighter and more buoyant. Either way, a wonderful album and great line-up of very talented musicians.
+ManifoldCuriosity I think each is dark in their own way. This one has a lot of dark themes like death, ghosts, rape, suicide, etc, and I think the overall sound (music wise) is darker. I find Trespass lighter in the sense of the music... I listen to it and it sounds young and nostalgic... all the cute flute lines, the melodies, etc; but I think it is very dark in terms of most of the lyrics being quite depressive. It sounds very introspective and sad, like the mind of a very young person with lots of sadness, regrets, fears and anger. I think Pete's voice is very expressive of all that, in that album particularly.
Tony Banks nailed what was good about early Genesis - " the lack of repetition. " Phil Collins mentions Family and their debut album, Music In A Doll's House ( an absolute classic btw - check it out if you haven' t ) is very much an inspiration for Genesis and the Gabriel's Chapman-esque (ish ) vocals.
I was 14 when "Nursery Crime" was released in 1971, and I remember that on initial listen, my world changed instantly. What struck me the most was that I didn't consider Genesis to be a Rock Band. They were something unique from somewhere else; a band sent back by time machine and recorded onto Edison wax cylinders. They were both behind and beyond the world circa 1971. Even with my inevitable gathering of Crimson, Van der Generator et al, Gabriel era Genesis was just something apar
Listening to Tony and Peter kind of makes you get an idea of what the atmosphere must have been at their rehearsals/composition sessions. I think both had their ego and it had its effect on their relationship. But I like that they still sound nice about each other. For some reason, I don't think they are just being nice for the camera; I believe them. Some off-topic thoughts (my 1st time hearing the guys talk, here): On earlier comments some people comment on how slow Pete talks. For me, as a foreign speaker who has trouble understanding spoken English, this is a blessing, lol. I agree with who said it's because he tries too hard to craft his sentences, as it shows in his writing. Also, his (spoken) voice is really pleasant and soothing to my ear. I also found Steve's voice (more high pitched) beautiful and his accent quite understandable for my poor skills. Of all 5, I have the most trouble understanding Mike; I don't know if it's his pronunciation or what. Tony would be clearer to me, if only he didn't speak that fast XD I have to keep pausing to let the words sink in and then I understand him ok. As for Phil, same issue, he speaks a bit fast and mumbles a bit, then I lose him. I find everyone's accent very attractive (I was drooling over the keyboard here XD). Ok, now you know a Spanish-speaker point of view ^_^
+Sileithel Your perspective on discerning the variety of speech patterns is spot on, and remarkable considering English is not your first language. Yes, that's exactly how I hear them as well. Gabriel speaks elegantly like a poet. Phil is quick tongued, like his wit. Hackett is articulate but so laid back he almost puts me to sleep. :D
+funkster007 Thank you very much! I studied some English phonetics in college, but it was totally focused on RP English. Still, the year I did study (before I dropped the major) gave me a little bit of sound awareness, which has been a real mind opener and helped me ever since to better learn languages. These sort of topics are very interesting to me. Phonetics, accents, pronunciation... plus Genesis? Count me in, haha =P I hadn't listened to this in a while. Yes, more or less I still feel the same way. Damn Tony speaks fast! It is also true that, when interviewed, some people tend to speak more clearly, mumble less, enunciate better, etc. Maybe Peter and Steve just speak more carefully in front of the camera than they would in everyday life; and maybe the other three speak a bit closer to what they sound like everyday, like just having a chat with the interviewer. Perhaps; I don't know =)
I think people latch onto the early stuff of genesis because there is a more dream like quality to their music then than the pop commercial outfit they ended up being. Alright it can be perceived as whimsical, arty farty victoriana, but there was an ethereal quality to the early albums that was never again captured in the later Collins years. I have time for both periods, but, if you had to nail me down to a preferable era it would definitely be the earlier stuff, it justo had that dreamy qualit
@steveclarkmusic9 I agree with what you say, I discovered these albums as a child, way before my teens, and would get lost in their illustrations (and music).It's great you mentioned the two shortest songs on the album - they are gorgeous. People tend to forget them.
@markboccaccio Exactly right!!! I was about 14 or 15 too when Cryme hit my ears. It was like the perfect blend of classical music and rock music....unique, dynamic and emotive. That album unfolded like a Grimm's story book set to music!!! Bizarre and totally absorbing!
4:00 Phil mentions the family song that had the same rolling drum part in that needs a good set of drumming feet, but it was actually called the weavers answer rather than just the weaver. I love the early Genesis albums, they had a magic that sort of got lost on the later stuff, even though they still wrote some great stuff later as well. Not many bands have a back catalogue as great as Genesis is, maybe Jethro Tull and floyd, and king Crimson of course.
I saw Genesis in Philly back around '90-'91. Friends chided me into going because by then the band wasn't the band I liked any more. The saving grace was they did a medley of their early music, so even though it was Phil singing it was the highlight of the show for me. I was ready to leave after they started with the "I Can't Dance," pop stuff.
peter always seems very happy reminiscing and talking about these old albums. makes me wonder why he's never wanted to do a reunion tour before they're all too old. he clearly enjoyed his time with the band. if it doesn't happen within the next 10 years or so, it never will. maybe less considering the trouble phil's been having with his hands. i doubt that will get better. very sad this has never happened.
@markboccaccio So do I, buddy... !.lol ( 10 Nov 1957..). The difference is that I was introduced to this legend called Genesis through "Foxtrot", but had the SAME FEELINGS you told above... those details, those sutil sounds, my god... hugs!
Like "markboccaccio" my world changed completely when I heard this album. Genesis was already my favorite band before I heard it, but I had only heard their 1980's stuff at that point. I was about 9 or 10 years old at the time, in the early-mid 90's.
It makes sense now: Trick of the Tail was all the bits that Tony 'wasn't allowed' to put on the Lamb, plus some new work ;-) Judging from what PG says at the start of this clip (and elsewhere in this series). ' Keyboardfull' songs like Entangled or squonk would never have made the cut for the Lamb. Tony was involved in every song on Trick.
Well yeah, with Peter gone (the only other strong and dominant member), it left Tony calling most of the shots by Trick of the Tail, and it only accelerated from there (making Steve want to leave in turn).
tresspass is without any doubt their greatest album. And the second one, which I also love it, is (after Peter Gabriel's departure) A TRICK OF THE TAIL. I still have both albuns in cds and the old long play.I really miss the old times! Peace on earth! as john Lennon once said.
+Eliomar Vieira Thank you for sharing! I don't fully agree, but it's nice for me to hear Trespass get some recognition; some fans don't quite like it as much as the others. I love TOTT also!
This musical box is shit! That was my first reaction after listening to it the very first time... Then I was "lucky" to get invited to a live concert (The lamb lies down on Broadway) and boy, I got blast totally away... Later I listened again to Nursery crime (And The Musical Box) and I realized that in fact the musical box is a master piece of all time! Now I am 55 and still listening to it and still feel how great Genesis was at that time... Thanks Genesis for all the great music!
He seems to have an affliction that's common among writers: being so focused on making well-crafted sentences that it interferes with good conversational communication.
@wardka Yes, Charisma's Mad Hatter may as well have been the official mascot of the entire Bristish prog rock movement in my opinion, especially re: Genesis and certain other Victorian-era-influenced groups like Jethro Tull; that particular picture of the Hatter (copied from Tenniel's illustrations) just really crystallizes the spirit of the genre.
peter gabriel now doesn't even look remotely similar to himself during his Genesis years. All the other members still look the same, just older. Are you sure thats gabriel and not just some random old guy? lol
Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot was my first Genesis LPs. They were released together as a double album with a new cover and with a title “The Best… Genesis” It must have been around 1976. I already knew and liked Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, Procol Harum, and King Crimson. Once I listened to Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot, I was hooked for life. I don’t care much about the Genesis albums after Wind and Wuthering. After Gabriel and Hackett left, their musical style changed and moved away from my musical taste (but reached to many more people than early Genesis). There is big debate between people who love the Gabriel -Hackett era and those who love the Collins era, but it should not be a debate. Different tastes. Like Chocolate and Vanilla cream. Should not be compared. Everyone knows what they like and prefer.
good point. even with their 2007 tour it was very cool to see them playing together again, but the actual performances weren't up to par with what they used to do. most of that is because of phil. you could tell his hand was already bothering him on the drums then. he often had a pained look on his face and made a lot of mistakes, and he didn't have the range he used to when singing. he just seemed generally worn out. 40 years of constant touring will do that to anybody.
No he didn't. Yes he did it before Eddie Van Halen, but there is a video out there , from what appears to be the 40's or 50's of a guy playing an acoustic guitar using that technique. Hackett also used that technique on the solo from Dancing with the Moonlit Knight.
Fucking pure Genius! There will never be a band like this. Thank you Phil Collins for saving the band and making the early stuff relevant which it would not be if not for you..
I agree with Tony Banks when he said that this album was the start of the early Genesis sound - even although ( The Musical Box aside ) I still prefer Trespass as an album overall.
***"Whatever you can bring up to the table, well then, let's use it!" Just how in the hell did they come up with such amazing songs? This is a very early album, 1972, but my first exposure to Genesis at a very young age. I like "Seven Stones" better! They were amazing, right from the start!
If I had been born 5 years ealier or later, I' not sure Genesis would have crawled into my bone-morrow like it did. Being 14 when Nursery Crimes was originally released, the world was just a local boundaried sketch, open to the infinite possibilities inherent in living and escaping a small town. My world was still small enough to allow me to believe Genesis was my very own secret, my key to a certain world that, in fact, didn't actually exist in 1971. Smack dab on the folcrum point between ad
I always thought the Charisma Mad Hatter logo on the -- on the paper thingy that goes around the hole in the middle of the vinyl. (What did we call that again? The label?) Anyway, the Mad Hatter was the perfect image. If the Mad Hatter had a band, it would be early Genesis and he would have had a singing voice just like Gabriel's.
@felsner17:34 -- "i think pete enjoyd having.....ahä...phil singing" -- sounds a bit like "pete didn´t enjoy it at all" to me -- but maybe i´m mistaken
If I had been born 5 years ealier or later, I' not sure Genesis would have crawled into my bone-morrow like it did. Being 14 when Nursery Crimes was originally released, my world was just a boundaried patch of small town Earth, open only to the infinite possibilities inherent in escaping it. My world was so small, it allowed me to naively believe that Genesis was my very own secret, my hidden key to a certain world that, in fact, didn't actually exist in the "real world" of 1971. This str
I think I've watched all of these now and one thing I notice is that Mike almost never mentions Steve. He certainly never seems to refer to anything Steve contributed. Is this some sort of link back to the demise of Anthony Phillips as the lead guitarist or is this just an unfortunate bit of editing?
This isn’t the full version of this reissue interview, the majority of them from the box sets lasted around 45 minutes. So there’s lots missing here because they go through every song on the albums usually, apart from the lamb.
Tricknologyinc yeah I’ve imagined the lamb to be a epic song then an album still great though “Supper’s Ready” is probably my second favourite song by them! 😃
its funny because i have such a hard time imagining how it would had sounded if the end of musical box or apocalypse had been instrumentals as tony wanted them to be....
Throughout all of these interviews, I love when a member pauses for a long moment, and you know they just want to say "that song was a bit shit, wasn't it?"
I believe the reason for a lot of the tension & resentments, other than "fighting about music all day" as Mike states in one of his interviews, started when Peter's Daughter was born breech & very sick., He did what any responsible father would have done. His family needed him, period. I saw an interview w/ peter on behind the music & I think he may still hold a bit of a grudge.... Peter: "When I told them I was leaving the band, it was as if someone had just told them ..... they were going to kill their child"????
not sure he would still hold a grudge. didnt genesis bail him out of a difficult financial situation years later. i seem to remember him saying something somewhere where he had a lot of room for the guys
+linda donmore Both things are probably true. For them all, when Peter left, it must have been a very hard situation. They were all very intense about Genesis and their relationship, the group as a close-knit unit, so I guess it must have felt as some sort of divorce. It's normal, I think, that they still have regrets and sad feelings about it. It doesn't change the fact that they can still be friends. So I think it's possible to both love each other and have some resentments at the same time...
Nursey Cryme was my first ever Genesis Album .. my mother god Bless her braved the circa 1971 record counter at Boots .. and bought it for me..! I knew where she hid our Christmas gifts so I secretly sneaked the record out of the album sleeve.. replaced it with another... (I had some morals).. and listened to it endlessly in the few weeks before Christmas
Great anecdote there
Mike; "I think Pete enjoyed having COUGH COUGH, Phil singing"
Genesis can be summed up in one word------- OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!
...or barmy xD
Thank You pykkervots
2 words for me:- LIVING LEGENDS
Nursery Cryme was the first Genesis album I heard.....i was about 15 years old at the time. 'The Musical Box' grabbed my ears right from the start and the album went from one amazing song to the next. I spent hours looking at the album illustrations and re-reading the lyrics.Very surreal and so original. 'For Absent Friends' and 'Harlequin' are simply beautiful. The power and majesty in 'The Fountain of Salmacis' is amazing. And enter Steve Hackett on guitar and Phil Collins on drums! Masterful.
I'm 14 now and I can't explain how much I love this band!
Now you're 23 boy
@@ВасюкМаусин Correct. Still a big fan
Way to go there!!!
Wow. No one mentioned Italy or Belgium here. Because record sales in those two countries saved them at this early stage.
There is just something special about this band that is so completely different from any other group that's ever made music. They are much more than just prog rock. Their music is as unique as can possibly be, and it will be played long after they've passed on.
I would be extremely proud of what Genesis has done over their 40 years if I were one of them. It's a blast to watch these videos too, to get this insight into these albums.
Say it again Sam.
One in a million, one in a million.
Thiis was the album that introduced me to my long admiration of the band & the effect Steve Hackett had on Genesis.
"The Musical Box" is my favourite song of "Nursery Cryme" great Genesis album.
Igor Maxwel same
Listening to Pete and Tony talk about creating music together, I can hear what very conflicting and different musicians they are, yet seem a perfect match for each other.
I like the 'Trespass' album, very quiet, except for the loud bits.
I abandoned Genesis after Wind and Wuthering, and the departure of Steve Hackett, who brought such a yearning, mystical element to the group, and also could make it explode on a dime - like in "The Musical Box"! I love "Lamb", and "Selling England", but there was an unpolished, darker, and I might say- feminine/chaos quality to "Nursery Cryme" that keeps me tethered to this FANTASTIC record! And the arrival of Phil Collins, and Hackett took EVERYTHING to a higher, more powerful level.
Couldn't agree with you more about Nursery Cryme; I love that "feminine/chaos" quality of the songs on that album which Hackett & Collins had a lot to do with.
Nice insight, man. I really like the PG-era Genesis albums, but Nursery Cryme is the one I come back to more than the others combined and it's because of that "unpolished, darker" feel. The songs really stand the test of time very well:) Cheers
Mark Darnell abandoning Genesis after W&W was a mistake, there’s still plenty to like on some of the later albums especially Duke, I do acknowledge they lost something when Steve left, that extra bit of darkness maybe, but there was still some lovely stuff afterwards, songs like heathaze off Duke, Dodo off abacab and burning rope off ATTWT , all great tunes.
The last one I liked was and then there were three...
I usedto watch them rehearse in the maltings in Farnham in the late 60's,my grandfather was the caretaker and used to unlock to let them in.
wow that must have been awesome to see them back then!
After all those years I do still get flabbercasted by their early '70's music.
Gobsmacked?
One of the best albums ever.
The early records had a nice melancholy and a sense of the ridiculous.
Genesis musikal box
Not sure which album I heard first as walked into my older brother's bedroom one lunchtime whilst I was at school (age 15 - over 30 year's ago) and picked up a Genesis album, layed on his bed with his headphones on and was late for school. I did this most days for ages. I had never heard anything like it and felt it was my little secret when I went back to school. Every album I played was amazing whether it was Gabriel or Collins. Loved every album up to & including The Duke
The greatest song Genesis ever did. The benchmark of perfection.
Same here, just that I got 15 years old like a year ago. I honestly think it just gets better as time passes by. Masterpiece!
They were so unique that one was left scratching his head wondering where did that music could come from...Wonderland, maybe...
Simply FANTASTIC !!!
I'd never really thought about it before but these interviews show they were becoming technically, as well as artistically, creative. Anyway, this was my first Genesis record and I treasure it to this day.
Great insight. So much effort and thinking went into creating The Musical Box, quite amazing. And it's just one song from a brilliant album.
The Musical Box is fucking amazing.Best Genesis song ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The seeds of The Musical Box chords came from Anthony Phillips as well. There are demos of his playing parts that would eventually become that song. A shame he left after Trespass.
A shame, but he was replaced by an even more talented player in Steve.
The sound of the album is more organic than their others, one ''feels'' the instruments better, it is like entering an enchanted world. It is a great example of artists that try to find for the first time together their best musical ability and possibilities and actually find it. That eagerness and quest is in each song here. This is that peak for them. Eg the track Seven Stones is one of the best songs ever - driven by haunting deep guitar layers with mellotron, steered by fabulous drums, with great melody. The album is sometimes pretty extreme; some of their rougher sounds and dynamics here came back much later to music, eg in metal and grunge, while some of the more delicate sounds here are almost classical. Very very special.
I can't believe that i can't see Peter Gabriel play with Genesis. I was born in 1976 and genesis are my favorite band ever. I wanna a Genesis Reunion, just one time.
TB on PG: "Shit he's singing all over my bit'. lols.
+Alistair Rutherford Tony definitely was all about "me me me"
+Cigar Dave No he wasn't... he just wanted an instrumental section while Peter wanted to sing over it. Just another disagreement which happens in bands all the time. But Tony said that when they played it live, he realized how powerful it was with singing over it, so there.
+TheRedfire555 If I remember, he said a similar thing about Supper's Ready: how he wanted to have an instrumental section after the big keyboard solo, you know when all this long chords come in (the "666 is no longer alone..." part), he wanted those to be on their own for contrast. So Pete, as he apparently used to do, recorded his vocals when he was alone and then presented Tony and the others with the finished thing. But on that occasion too, Tony realised it did sound better with Pete's vocals on that part. I'm seeing a pattern here XD
super album!
After being dismissive of Genesis for all of my 52 years, I, at the behest of a fellow prog rock aficionado, recently decided to give their early work a look. I hadn’t until now because of a prejudice formed from the ‘Phil Collins at-the-helm’ radio stuff (and I think understandably so), but having always admired Peter Gabriel’s solo stuff, my mates recommendation had ripened the little bit of curiosity I’d always had about their early work. Anyway, wow. I started with Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound, and am now working through Nursery Cryme and ‘The Lamb’, and these 4 albums are absolutely brilliant. Genesis, with Peter Gabriel on vocals and Steve Hackett on guitar, are a wondrous combination and an entirely different beast to the Mark II version. They have dominated my turntable for the last 3 months and I can’t get enough of their virtuosity. Indeed, Phil Collins, the drummer, has more than redeemed Phil Collins the shrill singer. His work on these records is mind blowing and he is now forgiven for the million and one times I’ve suffered his wretched “Su Su Sudio” in supermarket aisles.
The impact Genesis had in the early 70's is hard to describe. Their music was like nothing else I have heard before. After Peter left, it was a different band, a clear departure from their earlier direction, so for us, older fans, there was no confusing the two. If you start in reverse order, you really need to forget these two bands had the same name.
Oh, we hear ya on that "Sussudio" shite. As much as I love their body of work overall, there are nevertheless some tracks that I NEVER play (e.g. W&W's "Your Own Special Way", ABACAB's "Whodunnit"). I also despise Phil's solo track "I Don't Care Anymore". However, Phil is STILL my favourite drummer.... over and above Neil Peart, and I daresay even Bill Bruford (an extremely close second). Cheers.
My favorite Genesis album always and forever. I am a bit surprised that Peter thinks this is darker than Trespass because that album is very gloomy IMO where Nursery Cryme is brighter and more buoyant. Either way, a wonderful album and great line-up of very talented musicians.
+ManifoldCuriosity I think each is dark in their own way. This one has a lot of dark themes like death, ghosts, rape, suicide, etc, and I think the overall sound (music wise) is darker. I find Trespass lighter in the sense of the music... I listen to it and it sounds young and nostalgic... all the cute flute lines, the melodies, etc; but I think it is very dark in terms of most of the lyrics being quite depressive. It sounds very introspective and sad, like the mind of a very young person with lots of sadness, regrets, fears and anger. I think Pete's voice is very expressive of all that, in that album particularly.
best album ever
Tony Banks nailed what was good about early Genesis - " the lack of repetition. " Phil Collins mentions Family and their debut album, Music In A Doll's House ( an absolute classic btw - check it out if you haven' t ) is very much an inspiration for Genesis and the Gabriel's Chapman-esque (ish ) vocals.
I was 14 when "Nursery Crime" was released in 1971, and I remember that on initial listen, my world changed instantly. What struck me the most was that I didn't consider Genesis to be a Rock Band. They were something unique from somewhere else; a band sent back by time machine and recorded onto Edison wax cylinders. They were both behind and beyond the world circa 1971. Even with my inevitable gathering of Crimson, Van der Generator et al, Gabriel era Genesis was just something apar
Love the album cover! Like it or loathe it - It completely draws you in to the album!
Genesis, o melhor grupo de Rock de todos os tempos. Obrigado rapazes.
Listening to Tony and Peter kind of makes you get an idea of what the atmosphere must have been at their rehearsals/composition sessions. I think both had their ego and it had its effect on their relationship. But I like that they still sound nice about each other. For some reason, I don't think they are just being nice for the camera; I believe them.
Some off-topic thoughts (my 1st time hearing the guys talk, here):
On earlier comments some people comment on how slow Pete talks. For me, as a foreign speaker who has trouble understanding spoken English, this is a blessing, lol. I agree with who said it's because he tries too hard to craft his sentences, as it shows in his writing. Also, his (spoken) voice is really pleasant and soothing to my ear. I also found Steve's voice (more high pitched) beautiful and his accent quite understandable for my poor skills.
Of all 5, I have the most trouble understanding Mike; I don't know if it's his pronunciation or what. Tony would be clearer to me, if only he didn't speak that fast XD I have to keep pausing to let the words sink in and then I understand him ok.
As for Phil, same issue, he speaks a bit fast and mumbles a bit, then I lose him.
I find everyone's accent very attractive (I was drooling over the keyboard here XD). Ok, now you know a Spanish-speaker point of view ^_^
+Sileithel Your perspective on discerning the variety of speech patterns is spot on, and remarkable considering English is not your first language. Yes, that's exactly how I hear them as well. Gabriel speaks elegantly like a poet. Phil is quick tongued, like his wit. Hackett is articulate but so laid back he almost puts me to sleep. :D
+funkster007 Thank you very much! I studied some English phonetics in college, but it was totally focused on RP English. Still, the year I did study (before I dropped the major) gave me a little bit of sound awareness, which has been a real mind opener and helped me ever since to better learn languages. These sort of topics are very interesting to me. Phonetics, accents, pronunciation... plus Genesis? Count me in, haha =P
I hadn't listened to this in a while. Yes, more or less I still feel the same way. Damn Tony speaks fast! It is also true that, when interviewed, some people tend to speak more clearly, mumble less, enunciate better, etc. Maybe Peter and Steve just speak more carefully in front of the camera than they would in everyday life; and maybe the other three speak a bit closer to what they sound like everyday, like just having a chat with the interviewer. Perhaps; I don't know =)
guitar tapping in '71? awesome!!
I think people latch onto the early stuff of genesis because there is a more dream like quality to their music then than the pop commercial outfit they ended up being. Alright it can be perceived as whimsical, arty farty victoriana, but there was an ethereal quality to the early albums that was never again captured in the later Collins years. I have time for both periods, but, if you had to nail me down to a preferable era it would definitely be the earlier stuff, it justo had that dreamy qualit
Pure Art: Genesis
thanks for uploading these raritys :)
@steveclarkmusic9 I agree with what you say, I discovered these albums as a child, way before my teens, and would get lost in their illustrations (and music).It's great you mentioned the two shortest songs on the album - they are gorgeous. People tend to forget them.
My second favorite Genesis album.
@markboccaccio Exactly right!!! I was about 14 or 15 too when Cryme hit my ears. It was like the perfect blend of classical music and rock music....unique, dynamic and emotive. That album unfolded like a Grimm's story book set to music!!! Bizarre and totally absorbing!
4:00 Phil mentions the family song that had the same rolling drum part in that needs a good set of drumming feet, but it was actually called the weavers answer rather than just the weaver. I love the early Genesis albums, they had a magic that sort of got lost on the later stuff, even though they still wrote some great stuff later as well. Not many bands have a back catalogue as great as Genesis is, maybe Jethro Tull and floyd, and king Crimson of course.
THEY WERE UNIC OF HIS KIND ( ROCK THEATER) OUTSTANDING
I saw Genesis in Philly back around '90-'91. Friends chided me into going because by then the band wasn't the band I liked any more. The saving grace was they did a medley of their early music, so even though it was Phil singing it was the highlight of the show for me. I was ready to leave after they started with the "I Can't Dance," pop stuff.
Thanks !
peter always seems very happy reminiscing and talking about these old albums. makes me wonder why he's never wanted to do a reunion tour before they're all too old. he clearly enjoyed his time with the band. if it doesn't happen within the next 10 years or so, it never will. maybe less considering the trouble phil's been having with his hands. i doubt that will get better. very sad this has never happened.
@markboccaccio So do I, buddy... !.lol ( 10 Nov 1957..). The difference is that I was introduced to this legend called Genesis through "Foxtrot", but had the SAME FEELINGS you told above... those details, those sutil sounds, my god...
hugs!
q extraño que no se haya hablado de "Fountain of Salmacis" ... un temon del disco!
Like "markboccaccio" my world changed completely when I heard this album. Genesis was already my favorite band before I heard it, but I had only heard their 1980's stuff at that point. I was about 9 or 10 years old at the time, in the early-mid 90's.
Anthony Phillips - The Archive Collection Vol 1 (Blueprint BP279CD) the track called F Sharp is the basis for The Musical Box
@steveclarkmusic9 I couldnt say it better,that album haunts me all the time amazing stuff.
Have you ever seen "The Musical Box"? The closest you will ever get to seeing Genesis live today.
It makes sense now: Trick of the Tail was all the bits that Tony 'wasn't allowed' to put on the Lamb, plus some new work ;-) Judging from what PG says at the start of this clip (and elsewhere in this series). '
Keyboardfull' songs like Entangled or squonk would never have made the cut for the Lamb. Tony was involved in every song on Trick.
Well yeah, with Peter gone (the only other strong and dominant member), it left Tony calling most of the shots by Trick of the Tail, and it only accelerated from there (making Steve want to leave in turn).
I remember the pink Charisma label pre-dated the Mad Hatter one. Nursery Cryme was originally released with the pink label as I recall.
awesome!
@gwoss they are available on the re-issue box sets.
Un des meilleurs album de rock progressif !
Erogenous Zones I Love You...... :D
tresspass is without any doubt their greatest album. And the second one, which I also love it, is (after Peter Gabriel's departure) A TRICK OF THE TAIL. I still have both albuns in cds and the old long play.I really miss the old times! Peace on earth! as john Lennon once said.
+Eliomar Vieira Thank you for sharing! I don't fully agree, but it's nice for me to hear Trespass get some recognition; some fans don't quite like it as much as the others. I love TOTT also!
And yes, that paper thingy is called a label. :-)
This musical box is shit! That was my first reaction after listening to it the very first time... Then I was "lucky" to get invited to a live concert (The lamb lies down on Broadway) and boy, I got blast totally away... Later I listened again to Nursery crime (And The Musical Box) and I realized that in fact the musical box is a master piece of all time! Now I am 55 and still listening to it and still feel how great Genesis was at that time... Thanks Genesis for all the great music!
He seems to have an affliction that's common among writers: being so focused on making well-crafted sentences that it interferes with good conversational communication.
The Lonely Rocker likes this album!
@wardka Yes, Charisma's Mad Hatter may as well have been the official mascot of the entire Bristish prog rock movement in my opinion, especially re: Genesis and certain other Victorian-era-influenced groups like Jethro Tull; that particular picture of the Hatter (copied from Tenniel's illustrations) just really crystallizes the spirit of the genre.
@MoveOverCasanova not quite sure where u get any of that...
peter gabriel now doesn't even look remotely similar to himself during his Genesis years. All the other members still look the same, just older. Are you sure thats gabriel and not just some random old guy? lol
Jon ikr
Looks the same to me
You must have poor eyesight because Gabriel hasn’t really changed apart from going grey.
i think Phil looks dramatically different
Me too.
@steveclarkmusic9 well said Steve!!
Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot was my first Genesis LPs. They were released together as a double album with a new cover and with a title “The Best… Genesis” It must have been around 1976. I already knew and liked Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, Procol Harum, and King Crimson. Once I listened to Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot, I was hooked for life. I don’t care much about the Genesis albums after Wind and Wuthering. After Gabriel and Hackett left, their musical style changed and moved away from my musical taste (but reached to many more people than early Genesis). There is big debate between people who love the Gabriel -Hackett era and those who love the Collins era, but it should not be a debate. Different tastes. Like Chocolate and Vanilla cream. Should not be compared. Everyone knows what they like and prefer.
good point. even with their 2007 tour it was very cool to see them playing together again, but the actual performances weren't up to par with what they used to do. most of that is because of phil. you could tell his hand was already bothering him on the drums then. he often had a pained look on his face and made a lot of mistakes, and he didn't have the range he used to when singing. he just seemed generally worn out. 40 years of constant touring will do that to anybody.
Steve Hackett invented tapping.
No he didn't. Yes he did it before Eddie Van Halen, but there is a video out there , from what appears to be the 40's or 50's of a guy playing an acoustic guitar using that technique. Hackett also used that technique on the solo from Dancing with the Moonlit Knight.
Fucking pure Genius! There will never be a band like this. Thank you Phil Collins for saving the band and making the early stuff relevant which it would not be if not for you..
I agree with Tony Banks when he said that this album was the start of the early Genesis sound - even although ( The Musical Box aside ) I still prefer Trespass as an album overall.
***"Whatever you can bring up to the table, well then, let's use it!" Just how in the hell did they come up with such amazing songs? This is a very early album, 1972, but my first exposure to Genesis at a very young age. I like "Seven Stones" better! They were amazing, right from the start!
It’s 2021 A lot of restaurant owners disappearing early this year
@MoveOverCasanova ?!
If I had been born 5 years ealier or later, I' not sure Genesis would have crawled into my bone-morrow like it did. Being 14 when Nursery Crimes was originally released, the world was just a local boundaried sketch, open to the infinite possibilities inherent in living and escaping a small town. My world was still small enough to allow me to believe Genesis was my very own secret, my key to a certain world that, in fact, didn't actually exist in 1971. Smack dab on the folcrum point between ad
I always thought the Charisma Mad Hatter logo on the -- on the paper thingy that goes around the hole in the middle of the vinyl. (What did we call that again? The label?) Anyway, the Mad Hatter was the perfect image. If the Mad Hatter had a band, it would be early Genesis and he would have had a singing voice just like Gabriel's.
@felsner17:34 --
"i think pete enjoyd having.....ahä...phil singing" -- sounds a bit like "pete didn´t enjoy it at all" to me -- but maybe i´m mistaken
If I had been born 5 years ealier or later, I' not sure Genesis would have crawled into my bone-morrow like it did. Being 14 when Nursery Crimes was originally released, my world was just a boundaried patch of small town Earth, open only to the infinite possibilities inherent in escaping it. My world was so small, it allowed me to naively believe that Genesis was my very own secret, my hidden key to a certain world that, in fact, didn't actually exist in the "real world" of 1971. This str
In this clip's very first sentence, Rutherford says "I think it started with Ant, actually"
I think I've watched all of these now and one thing I notice is that Mike almost never mentions Steve. He certainly never seems to refer to anything Steve contributed. Is this some sort of link back to the demise of Anthony Phillips as the lead guitarist or is this just an unfortunate bit of editing?
This isn’t the full version of this reissue interview, the majority of them from the box sets lasted around 45 minutes. So there’s lots missing here because they go through every song on the albums usually, apart from the lamb.
Foxtrot the best.
I'm new to Genesis. Is "Supper's Ready" their longest track?
yes indeed
Yep! A true masterpiece!!!
Yes 22:53
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (whole album) is their longest track! LOL!
Tricknologyinc yeah I’ve imagined the lamb to be a epic song then an album still great though “Supper’s Ready” is probably my second favourite song by them! 😃
steve hackett looks younger now. How can it be possible?
its funny because i have such a hard time imagining how it would had sounded if the end of musical box or apocalypse had been instrumentals as tony wanted them to be....
where is this footage from?
Please! someone lets do spanish subtitles!!!
Peter seems very shy
They were lost without Ant. How come none of them mentioned that?
Where is this from? Is this a GENESIS documentary? Is it available on DVD?
Throughout all of these interviews, I love when a member pauses for a long moment, and you know they just want to say "that song was a bit shit, wasn't it?"
EITHER WITH OR WITHOUT PETER
I believe the reason for a lot of the tension & resentments, other than "fighting about music all day" as Mike states in one of his interviews, started when Peter's Daughter was born breech & very sick., He did what any responsible father would have done. His family needed him, period. I saw an interview w/ peter on behind the music & I think he may still hold a bit of a grudge.... Peter: "When I told them I was leaving the band, it was as if someone had just told them ..... they were going to kill their child"????
not sure he would still hold a grudge. didnt genesis bail him out of a difficult financial situation years later. i seem to remember him saying something somewhere where he had a lot of room for the guys
yes they sure did help him out of financial difficulties in the early 80's!! You're right :)
+linda donmore Both things are probably true. For them all, when Peter left, it must have been a very hard situation. They were all very intense about Genesis and their relationship, the group as a close-knit unit, so I guess it must have felt as some sort of divorce. It's normal, I think, that they still have regrets and sad feelings about it. It doesn't change the fact that they can still be friends. So I think it's possible to both love each other and have some resentments at the same time...
ant phillips co-wrote the musical box but never got any credit for it!
dark victorian atmosphwre
abbandonare i genesis da parte di peter Gabriel e' stata una scelta insensata tutto li adesso e' tutta una retorica i genesis erano peter Gabriel fine