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the Razer Viper v2 Pro is so good
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- The Viper v2 Pro is so good that I couldn't wait to talk about it. This is more a discussion about my mouse journey the past few months than the Viper v2 itself, but I wanted to set up some context to help you understand how much it means to me to find a perfect mouse. My hands are 18 * 9-9.5 cm for reference.
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0:00 - Quality
1:20 - Recent Mouse Journey
10:15 - Viper v2 Pro vs. G Pro X Superlight
13:37 - Expectations Moving Forward
Yet another banger video! Could listen to you talking about mice for days. Honestly the best reviewer out there keep up the great work
Very in depth and articulate review. Great job. Currently having a hard time deciding between maining the gpx or V2 pro myself.
What did you choose
Can't wait for the full review!!! Loved the video
I love hearing all of your detailed opinions thx so much!!
Yeah, I feel the same way. Was gonna pick up the MZ1 wireless but when saw the specs of this mouse, had to try it. Super happy I did, not buying anymore mice, found a main.
Thanks for the review!
:)
I’ve been always using the grip you describe as your new grip, so this video was actually helpful since now I know that I don’t need to try G303 and I know that Viper shape just fits me well. So I’ll probably upgrade from RVU to RV2P soon, thanks!
This video just summed up all my exact thoughts on mice, and I'm 20 something mice deep now. Actually have a g303 shroud arriving tomorrow and hoping that it performs for me as it does for you. Like you, my g gro x has been my staple as it has performance that is a teir above and I love that the potato shape works very well, although not tunnelling you into any one grip. Every time I am judging a mouse it is compared to how it performs compared to the GPX. I love my za13-c but won't be my main unless it becomes wireless now. X-lite V2 is my all time favourite ergo as it's still nimble enough for size but don't think it would ever be main. If they make a wireless NP-01 that could possibly be the end of the road also.
The changes that the Viper V2 pro has over the original is exactly what I wanted to have changed and also it bridges that gap of the starlight 12 medium performing well but feeling like a cheap toy (love to hate this mouse) and having something very light weight and premium with no holes. I have a feeling that if the v2 pro or g303 shroud don't knock the gpx off the top spot for me, it will only be a light weight, wireless NP-01 or za13-c, and who knows when that may actually happen.
And one other thing that I have noticed over my journey is that the tuning of the switch/shell has become more important to me than the switch itself. It wasn't until a few poor implementation of kailh 8.0's to make me realise that. My original GPX I switc swapped to the kailh 8.0 and fell in love. Got let down by a lot of mice, including the X-lite in that they just don't have the same feeling and I even prefer the feel of my second GPX with the standard omrons over a lot of implementations of better switches tuned poorly. I never thought that would happen. I'm like yourself and prefer a snappier feeling switch. Vaxee huano's and my switch swapped GPX are my favourites
I hope you like the g303 I use it and it's a really risky mouse
Do u like the shroud edition? Cant decide between that or the v2 pro
@@joejoe5921 if you're someone who doesnt reall care for the shape of a mouse and just want you use one you'll most likely like instantly I would recommend the v2. If you have an aggressive claw grip and are the type of person to give a different shaped mouse a chance then the g303 is good. But if you only want to buy 1 mouse would recommend the v2
@@pooman-2000 risky shapes are what I want. The GPX is the safest mouse out there and performs at a tip level. Risky are the only things that have a chance to out perform it, unless some kind of sensor or wireless tech can make it feel better than the performance of the GPX
@@scotty_teee4226 If you dont care about the risk of shapes then go for it. The g303 is as good as any other logitech mouse. As long as youre willing to adapt i feel like the mouse goes well with any grip except maybe palm
Oh WOW! I'm impressed! First of all I finally found someone with my exact hands size + grip style. Just sub for this 😄. Btw we have similar background to mice story and I can confirm the same for every mouse explained in this video. I have tried many shapes but in the end I always come back to GPX. I tried the RVU (not the v2 Pro yet) and if I remember correctly the only flaw I encountered are the rounded down LMB and RMB. Imo they should be flatter as on the GPX. My top 3 atm GPX - 303SE - Za13!
Hearing you bruh the people who complain about scroll wheels being aesthetically off when it doesn't hinder anything makes me so happy. Also I'm surprised so many people had QC issues with their SL12s, I still haven't had a single issue other than miss inputs from the scroll wheel being too flimsy but it's just the encoder being trash I think.
It was very interesting to listen about your mice journey. Since you are enjoying optical switches, it makes even more sense to try SteelSeries Prime Wireless
Prime Wireless is no doubt an excellent mice, top tier. I had one for week test. Only thing what i noticed is the force you have to use to press mouse1 and mouse2. Also the weight comes to discussion in some point.
Thank you, I'll try it. Ninjutso Katana Superlight would also be a good idea for a review I think!!
will we see some artisan reviews in the future? great videos btw, very informative
great vid, i reccomend adding background music though to keep peoples attention easier
Got it last week hands down the best mouse ive ever used.
It's my current main too. I love my NP-01S but going from Viper v2 to Vaxee - WOW that's a brick. I don't find it hard to use the v2 on the faster pads.
its clicks and scroll wheel are loud and too small for comfortable grips
what's your handsize? maybe put it in the description of your videos for better comparibility? awesome video like always!
18 * 9-9.5 cm. I try to at least put in the description of every video, but I am actually incapable of remembering to do this. My brain is horrifically bad.
@@KraftyCraftKraf tell me about it. thanks!
I went through almost the same predicament as you. I initially thought the mouse SUCKED, so I bought like 5 more gaming mice to compare it. And my conclusion was the Viper v2 Pro really is legit. For me, it was a matter of getting accustomed to lightweight mice as a whole.
One of your best reviews yet! Do you have to lower your sensitivity when using the starlight or keep it the same for all your mice testing?
Nice line of thoughts again, thx for that krafty! I love how much indepth always is.
Did like the starlight 12 small over the medium? Or did you not get the chance to test one as well?
I am also curious about the fantech aria, the shape could end up really well for me, but there is sadly no chance to order it to germeny yet. Maybe its something to try for you too.
10:47 - 11:08,
I thought it was just me, but it's def there. The description of the razer Optical v3 switches gets played twice. Simple editing mistake?
Yup, simple editing error. Thanks for letting me know, just fixed it up. Need to stop procrastinating editing until late at night.
Man you should honestly try Steelseries Prime and Prime Mini, they are not your typical " EC inspired " mice. For your tilt grip they are going to feel amazing
i feel blessed, my Sl-12 are amazing good quality. prob used all my luck in those
You can easily fix most of the FM issues
The creaking can be fixed with tightening the screws and some foam. You can ask in the fm discord what they use I cant remember. As well as the pre and post and side buttons easily fixed with aluminium tape. Latency on the newest firmware is on par with any top mice. And the scroll wheel issues are also fixed.
Did you cop a InfinityMice hump for it the other day? Theres a new drop in a few weeks. 90% sure it may be my main for a long time with the custom hump.
I cant do the Viper with that little palm support with my more aggressive claw
Relate for the Viper and the lack of palm support along with the extremely deep side concaves/slopes, huge front and rear flare.
As for the "You can fix FM issues", it seems as if you wrote this with a frustration which is comical. You have to pay from 250 to 300€ for an f-ing mouse and then DIY? That's a yikes. Of course you can fix it but his point remains valid - good shape, good weight and extremely poor quality control/execution just like all their past mice.
@@Divinity_vA Well if you ask me it seems like he is the one annoyed he has to do a little work on a mouse. And the latency comment is no longer an issue. The mouse does not cost that much at launch. And I lightweight mod all of my mice... so I don't mind its really not that hard.
If you like the s12 you might like the newer gwolves mice, I think the htm and other newer releases may prove to be better alternatives
The Hati M seems to be incredibly boring so I'm not going to check that out, but the hts and hts+ seem to be pretty cool so I'd like to try it out eventually.
My thoughts are the same about G303 SE. It's not comfortable to use with a relaxed grip, those curves just don't feel right
That pad looks so good, whats it called ?
EspTiger Blaze
@@beegest_yoshi How's it stack up to the first war?
Have you ever tried the G-Wolves Hati-S ACE Wireless? I’ve been through a ton of mice and this has been my main since December. We have similar tastes in mice so it may be a banger for you
That was my main too, but I have to say the responsiveness of the v2 pro is much better, takes some getting use to
You prefer this even over the za13c?? I think the za13c is the best shape
Great review (ish), but your grip style is now like mine!! Do you mind creating another top 5 mice for your grip video, or even a short?
I'll for sure be making a new top mice list in a month or two.
1:20 new mouse list after XM2W, Pulsar X2 and LGG mouse?
Yeah, for sure. I really want to make an updated list in a month or two since things are getting interesting.
I use a gpx. My favorite shape I ever used is prolly the viper mini. It feels so good for claw fingertip hybrid grip style. But the performance on the wire less gpx is so good that I notice how bad the viper mini sensor is compared to it.
This viper v2 let's you adjust the lod by the mm for lifting off and for coming back down.
I'm trying to main this, I use to main the hati ace wireless, the shape was incredible but the v2 pro is fairly more responsive. I use to main the viper so I'm trying to get comfy with it again
I was insanely excited for the v2 pro but ended up hating the coating. I am spoiled by the rubberized coating of the superlight and even prefer the coating of the cheaper viper mini and orochi over the v2 pro cause they weren’t as chalky
If they use the same v2 pro coating for the viper mini wireless I will be so sad.
you can put grip tapes or use 1000grit sandpaper and sand the part that you grip, it works well in my viper mini i sanded down the left and right part and its very smooth now and more grippy idk why
Hey krafty been awhile. Dude i swear although our journeys are slightly off i swear im like subconsiously linked to u LOL.
You know ive been maining the g202 too since release and only 2 weeks ago i noticed that i was kind of gripping ti too tight. The hump is so big
that i found myself in valo gripping it really tight which messed with my micro adjustments under pressure. SO im like why not try gpx again and man
although the shape is a potato im very relaxed it with. However, like you said i notice i dont get that consistant grip like the g303.
I really want to try the v2 but i remember hating the viper ultimate. Really curious after your review but i kinda do like a hump so ahhhh
Coincidentally at about the same time, my grip has changed as well from the regular pincer claw, but it's now a pincer claw grip without any thumb contact(I think it's called mcp claw?)
Seems to make me more reliant on having a higher humped rear mouse, since I need some more contact on my metacarpals for added stability.
I got a za13-b for cheap and I think this shape is probably close to endgame but the weight and cable isn't great. Settling on the hati-s for now, looking forward to the LGG mouse, the pulsar x2/mini and the xm1 mini.
With a little more hgher hump it would be perfect. Also stock feet and extra grips are good
What is better for pincer claw? Viper v2 pro or atlantis mini?
now that i got use to the RVU shape after using it for about 8 months I think, I feel like I may give the v2 pro a try, cuz I feel I do find the viper ultimate a bit on the heavy side sometimes, This feeling got stronger after the mouse skates wear down, it feels slower and much heavier (even on a hybrid pad like the razer strider)
You have to get the Xlite V2 mini
Already have. It's feeling decent so far. I can see the potential, but its feeling pretty awkward right now due to how unique the shape is. I'll have to put more time in on it to figure things out.
Do you no longer have ring finger pain? Didn't you mention in your viper mini pro waiting room video that the RVU hurt your ring finger/wrist so much that it made you injury prone?
for me za13-c is perfect , better then gpx , xm1r, viper mini and pulsar xlite imo
do you use them to game in a "competitive" way?
I feel like you would like the katana superlight a lot with recent change of your grip. The mouse is huge for sure but it feels great for a more relaxed claw. And the features is everything you can ask for on a mouse. Usually You say that you like mobility (reason Why you prefer the np01-s over the np01) but now that you say the np01 lack of mobility feels fine, I think katana wouldnt bother you
I too own a katana and assume you own an np01. How do the shapes differ?
What did you main Viper v2 pro or GPX superlight?
Good evening Kraftycraft, I'm looking to buy a mousepad and a feet, to play csgo and valorant, I'm thinking about buying an Artizan zero because of the stopping Power and a Pulsar Superglides because of the small initial friction. Do you have any other recommendations for mousepads and feet for csgo and valorant players? (My mouse g pro superlight)
did the low power mode give significant impact on performance?
I guess ZA13C shape is still king for you then xD I'm waiting for X2 from Pulsar
any chance of a cerapad review soon 🥺🥺🥺
I play claw with 19x10.5 hand size, im maining the g305 without the back cover, would like to upgrade, its more comfortable with the cover but kinda decent without and its 78g with aaa battery and without cover, i just barely touch with my palm so its ok to play without shell, what mouse should i get? Theres a lot of otpions liike hati s, viper mini, s2, za13, xm1/xm2, g303, gpx etc idk what should i take
Also would this mouse go well with Vaxee PA? Thanks !
xtrfy m42 review anytime soon? :)
r u gonna review the hsk+
Yeah, it looks super interesting so I'll be checking it out for sure. It will have to wait a bit since I lost track of time and missed the first drop, but I'll be sure to get in on the restock that's coming in a few weeks.
How's the scroll wheel of the V2 Pro compared to the Superlight? The Superlight has my favorite scroll wheel and I love the height it's at too.
Two weeks ago I bought a brand new Superlight for $150, so I could easily return it in exchange for the V2 Pro. Just a matter of if it's worth it.
Took me a while to get use the Superlight, but I can say that I am currently enjoying it. The better switches of the V2 Pro are enticing me though. My biggest dislike of the Superlight were definitely the buttons.
However, I have a G502 Wireless so having two mice under the same software is nice, and I do use software enough to keep it. I do not like Synapse. A reason why I remind myself why I don't want to get a Razer mouse (I do like the Orochi though).
Still thinking about it. My personal pros and cons of each mice is making my decision hard.
In my opinion my gpx copy scroll wheel is better than the v2 pro white. V2 pro white up motion of the scroll wheel is rattly and kind of unrefined. Gpx meanwhile is perfectly tensioned and pronounced steps. Would say wait for future v2 pro batches for better qcs as gpx qc is much better right now
Also the main thing i use g pro superlight over the v2 pro is that the front flair for me is unbearable and very steep increase over the main grip width
Also i think there's a problem with some viper v2 pro copies that permanently show 98% charge when maxed out on synapse and it caused a bug where the mouse will not show static green even after charging like 5 hours. I have returned my viper v2 pro and will probably wait for viper mini wireless future batches
@@yh12z1 thank you for the info. I think I'll just stick with the Superlight, for now. Realized that I kind of do enjoy its round back, and I really do like its scroll wheel. I use it enough to justify.
Disappointing to hear about the starlight considering the price.
Is the coating of the pro the same as the older viper ultimate?
No, it's similar to the Orochi v2
Have u tried the model o- wireless? Very good mouse if you like that starlight without QC issues
No, I haven't yet. I tried a friends model o- a while back and hated the shape so I never tried it out for myself. My taste has changed a lot recently so I probably should give it a shot sometime.
@@KraftyCraftKraf Yeah its a flat and narrow shape.. very light and 0 flexing. Glorious stepped up their QC for their latest wireless mice.
Can I abuse on the mouse?
rn i was looking to replace my g203 for a mice that was bigger BUT STILL LIGHT!! as in letting me use it more w my palm than fingers (i get index finger pain w it due to the small size). anyone know a cheap mouse that fits this criteria?
If ur looking for a safe shape, maybe try the pulsefire haste. It’s cheap and about 59g.
I thought i was alone in finding flaws in everything after some time.. cant use this bc of this, dont wanna use this bc of this...haha - i think its good to have standards!
Hand size?
Can I use it always wired?
I mean, yeah, you can, but why? There's no reason to use it in wired mode.
What is your hand size?
18 * 9-9.5 cm
@@KraftyCraftKraf ayy same bro. What mouse fits you the best?
I don’t wanna keep hurting my wallet lmao the xm2w needs to come out already!!
i find my finger finger catches my atisan mouse pad, and i dont even have long nails
First world problems haha.
but for real I understand wanting something very perfect though so don't take it the wrong way.
Mouse enthusiast gets fk shape locked graphic content colorized 😭 so sadge.
Seriously it's a great shape though.
footage of me throwing so many incredible mice back in the drawer to only use the viper v2 is liveleak material
@@KraftyCraftKraf well hey, isn't finding 'the' mouse the goal in the end? Mained Fk2 for 6 years, have 18 by 10.5 hands and RVU seemed too wide in places. Maybe I should give it another try.
12:42 you had the chance to say u like fat backs on mice but u didnt. what a waste. good review overall tho
nice review but i just wanna say u have very veiny hands
Its not "so good". Some of the first batches has issues with right click. The title a bit misleading
Are you really going to bruh people for wanting a quality product? The scroll wheel issue was big for me as the encoder sounded like it was breaking. I wonder how your room looks like with that mentality.