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I'm always amazed how crude and open to interpretation judging in powerlifting is. They should introduce some kind of depth guage, checked beforehand. A piece of darn string would do. Can you imagine timing 100m races with a stopwatch
@@jk47Ssb er yeah, lets judge 100m sprints with a stopwatch. No it bloody well isnt. Professionalism requires a higher standard where it can be applied and easily measured. Sports like football(uk) and so forth you can only measure some of these variables with minimal human error , like using goaline technology, because its not just depth your measuring. Powerlifting needs depth standards. Have you seen how high some of the "squats are"?
Belkin doesn’t have a “depth problem” because it’s intentional. He noticed other people were getting away with bad depth so loaded up more weight than he knows he can do to full depth because he knows he won’t get called for bad depth
A lot of those squats looked high to me but I hate judging depth from the front. There have been a lot of times where I see a squat from the front and think it looks high but then change my mind after a replay from the side (Stefi Cohen's squats, to give a name). And it does bother me when center judges give reds for depth. Lifters are supposed to get the benefit of the doubt and, unless the squat is REALLY high, there's a lot of doubt from the front.
@@Storiaron Could be. The factor I see is thigh thickness. Having big quads (or a lot of fat around them) can make the hip crease seem higher. Russel Orhii has huge legs and I know he makes a big deal about picking singlets with fits that show his hip creases well. I bet all white singlets would be a bigger thing if they weren't so revealing.
@Tyler Vincent He probably makes more money from posting his regular training videos online than he ever would from competing and sponsors. But yeah he's the idiot lol
2:13 Are you serious? That is better depth than the lift you have shown before that? In the first clip his femur is parallel to the floor in the second clip he didn't even reach that in my eyes. Both were no lifts in my humble opinion.
Yeah the way hes describing half of these lifts is the opposite of how they are like the “redemptions” where depth actually was worth than previous lol it's a fun video in terms of content but yeah the commentary is weird
I started taking videos of my squats because I had a hard time knowing if my depth was adequate. The videos didn't lie and I found myself working harder to get deeper in the squat. Whether it's a world record or a personal record, if you are getting depth, you are only cheating yourself.
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Part of the problem is that a lot of lifters think anything that isn’t 3 or 4 inches below parallel isn’t good. The rule in all federations is hip crease below the top of the knee. This can be hard to see/ judge, but it’s the rule. Most people who squat 3,4,5 inches below depth are leaving lbs on the platform.
Squats cannot be judged from the front unless they are well below parallel. Well below parallel is not required. The top of the quad does not have to be below the top of the knee. A leg with a large amount of muscle mass will in fact look high from the front. Ironically, most of the people that seem to have it figured out are 160 lb kids who've been lifting for 11 months and squat 400 lbs. Thankfully the internet has made them world renowned experts in that short time.
Thank you! I've got decent sized quads and I constantly over analyze myself because of what internet gurus say is "legal" depth. Plus some people are not built physiologically to go super deep, look up scottish/Celtic hip.
The hamstrings or butt are the only that has to go below parallel. A 90 degree angle is subject to each person. These people are all amazing lifters. Give them some credit.
These all did look high but judging from the front is so hard. A ton of great guys get lifts passed even in the USAPL that look high (Ray Williams, Russell Orhii, John Haack back in the day, etc.). I’d need to see the squats in person.
I have never understood this flawed judging system. Place tracking dots on the hip and the knee. Film from side. Review with parallel lines on digital screen. Problem solved right?
I'm sorry for my lack of experience, but these all look good to me. I've been to a meet before and it's basically gotten to the point where you need to break parallel in order for the lift to count. I'm 6'3" so the depth I hit just at parallel level is deeper than squats from shorter lifters. The problem would easily be solved if they have a box to 'tap' so you would know the depth is correct everytime!
The rule in all federations is hip crease below the top of the knee. It doesn’t need to be 3 inches below, just below. These squats are close, but I’d give them all the benefit of the doubt.
without even watching, I knew all of these would be outside of IPF/USAPL. Non-tested federations white light every questionable 'all-time wr' because it raises the standard of the comp. Just check boss of bosses last year, ridicolous
Why dont they just have them line up before the squat and measure their butt height for a good squat. Then during the event they film them with an extra camera from exactly perpendicular to that height and then there are no arguments if it was high or low. In WSM they do something similar where they determine the necessary depth the day before for each individual lifter
Unless there are also side video shots are provided, none of this means a thing. Front views are only one part of the picture. Give me a view of that side hip.
IPF is the only federation which points out clearly that a squat is a "good lift" once your hip hits the bottom below the knee line. WPC/WPA and such just "whitelight" every squat that hits or is close to the parallel -- which is the case of each and every lift displayed in this video.
Although it would be stupid and a waste of energy, are ATG squats allowed in powerlifting with a pause at the bottom? Of course no athlete will purposely want to do this but I just wondered if it is against the rules
John Haack I'm a big fan but his squats now always look high he almost bombed out last meet but I think the judges felt the pressure to pass his last attempt
You should make a video with the word record bench presses with the most pathetically short range of motion. Or how about world record "sumo"/quarter-rep dead lifts compared to conventional dead lift records. Hahaha! Then also compare the bench press record holders' "equipped"/"suited" bench presses to they raw/unequipped bench presses and see how their numbers drop harder than Fat Man and Little Boy on Japan.
why dont they tape a red line on their thigh to make it easier to see if the tape become parallel to the ground or not. it makes it more easy to see if depth
Nah equipped powerlifting can be great, too! Remember, there's shitty RAW lifters as well that also can destroy the integrity of the sport, like Eddie Berglund/Sean Noriega
I don’t think Tom Kallas ever held squat WR in more than 1 WC. Didn’t you mistake him with Amit Sapir (who held 3 WR’s in 82, 93 and 100 kg WC at some point) and was also known for squatting high?
In Algeria we have the best squatter in the world 390kg for triple BW 82kg he will campeat in Moscow this year all the world will say his name if you want to watch the vedio text me
You should do the opposite video: arguably good squats which got redlighted
Hafthor Bjornsson's 460kg squat probably hits the top of that list
Jesse Norris
Ray Williams at IPF Worlds 2018
I second this
@@meginna8354 Thor´s 460 had better deep and form than his 440 lol mad how they rejected that lift
Belkin openly admitted that his WR was high....He Said If others high squats get passed he also squats high
Yeah and his squat isnt even that high
Highest 925lb squat looked to depth just fine too
Which I get his argument, but that mindset sport wide is terrible for powerlifting and is going to lead to multiply squat depth getting passed again
Respect: 0
Should never cheat just because others are cheating
He also did not lock his elbows in the bench for the same reason
I'm always amazed how crude and open to interpretation judging in powerlifting is. They should introduce some kind of depth guage, checked beforehand. A piece of darn string would do. Can you imagine timing 100m races with a stopwatch
Thats like saying take out the umps in baseball, human error is critical for sports
@@jk47Ssb er yeah, lets judge 100m sprints with a stopwatch. No it bloody well isnt. Professionalism requires a higher standard where it can be applied and easily measured. Sports like football(uk) and so forth you can only measure some of these variables with minimal human error , like using goaline technology, because its not just depth your measuring. Powerlifting needs depth standards. Have you seen how high some of the "squats are"?
Belkin doesn’t have a “depth problem” because it’s intentional. He noticed other people were getting away with bad depth so loaded up more weight than he knows he can do to full depth because he knows he won’t get called for bad depth
You should make a video of world record benches with the shortest rom
He already did one about the craziest arches
crazy arches are disgusting
So WR benches that didn't actually count
Noriega is king in that department! He seems like an awesome guy, not ripping him as a dude.
Vince Binte It’s bullshit that someone can move a bar 1cm and have it be a good lift
A lot of those squats looked high to me but I hate judging depth from the front. There have been a lot of times where I see a squat from the front and think it looks high but then change my mind after a replay from the side (Stefi Cohen's squats, to give a name).
And it does bother me when center judges give reds for depth. Lifters are supposed to get the benefit of the doubt and, unless the squat is REALLY high, there's a lot of doubt from the front.
I wonder if shorter people can get away with higher squats. As in, if you have longer legs every cm makes more difference visually imo
@@Storiaron Could be. The factor I see is thigh thickness. Having big quads (or a lot of fat around them) can make the hip crease seem higher. Russel Orhii has huge legs and I know he makes a big deal about picking singlets with fits that show his hip creases well. I bet all white singlets would be a bigger thing if they weren't so revealing.
Something that clarence kennedy is never going to worry about
@Tyler Vincent He's scared?
@Tyler Vincent He probably makes more money from posting his regular training videos online than he ever would from competing and sponsors.
But yeah he's the idiot lol
@Vinny Booboo He's never competed at at Olympic games. He did hold the Irish -94kg record before the weight categories were changed though.
@K. C. W you think the chinese lifters come off their tren for the olympics/world champs ? lol
K. C. W there’s literally no way to prove what you just said. If you say Clarence doesn’t have good genetics naturally, that’s a bit dumb
Huge respect for Andrew Herbert
Herbert really does seem like an awesome dude.
Most of these aren’t even “questionable”, they’re just simply not to depth😂😂
This is what I was thinking but...
Straight facts
According to power-lifting standards I agree, but I feel parallel should be accepted.
@@SanMan583 BELOW parallel should be the standard.
This video could have been every SPF/WSBB record ever.
Not one of the first guys squats were remotely close.
2:13 Are you serious? That is better depth than the lift you have shown before that? In the first clip his femur is parallel to the floor in the second clip he didn't even reach that in my eyes. Both were no lifts in my humble opinion.
Yeah the way hes describing half of these lifts is the opposite of how they are like the “redemptions” where depth actually was worth than previous lol it's a fun video in terms of content but yeah the commentary is weird
I started taking videos of my squats because I had a hard time knowing if my depth was adequate. The videos didn't lie and I found myself working harder to get deeper in the squat. Whether it's a world record or a personal record, if you are getting depth, you are only cheating yourself.
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Herby is such a genuinely great guy and top notch lifter. He displays great sportsmanship and is good for powerliftings image
So basically all equipped squats?
No not all equipped squats, look up Vlad Alhavoz 1250 squat, he buried it
Most of these are wrapped, but not equipped.
Oak is the gold standard.
Luke Richardson is also gold standard
Absolutely. Dude practically sits on his ankles before coming back up. He's a tank.
I’ve actually seen one meet on UA-cam where oak got redlighted for depth. Hey, the judges are human too.
This is why I hate powerlifting
@Benny the equipment is bs too...the lines are too blurred...raw should mean literally nothing, no bands, sleeves, anything.
@@stevenp9209 So you want them to lift naked? Also what "bands" are you talking about?
@@kobeballer lmao to him a t shirt counts as equipment
The sport is not perfect. I recreational powerlift, which is great for anybody get stronger!
If you were feeling lazy you could have just posted every multiply squat record and it would be correct lol
Belkin had much better depth than those redeem squats that he talked about....
🤦🏼♂️
Also Eric Lilliebridge's squat with wraps records were always questionable to me. Same with his brother Ernie.
3:10 looks good tbh
Just about to comment that
That's understandable at least. The 1,2 and 5 positions are just unacceptable
Props to Andrew for acknowledging he thought his squat looked high.
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These are all good.
Part of the problem is that a lot of lifters think anything that isn’t 3 or 4 inches below parallel isn’t good. The rule in all federations is hip crease below the top of the knee. This can be hard to see/ judge, but it’s the rule. Most people who squat 3,4,5 inches below depth are leaving lbs on the platform.
Oak got the best squat form, wheels shoulda been on this list. His squats are always iffy
I love squats
Squats cannot be judged from the front unless they are well below parallel. Well below parallel is not required. The top of the quad does not have to be below the top of the knee. A leg with a large amount of muscle mass will in fact look high from the front. Ironically, most of the people that seem to have it figured out are 160 lb kids who've been lifting for 11 months and squat 400 lbs. Thankfully the internet has made them world renowned experts in that short time.
Thank you! I've got decent sized quads and I constantly over analyze myself because of what internet gurus say is "legal" depth. Plus some people are not built physiologically to go super deep, look up scottish/Celtic hip.
The Mountain got robbed on his big powerlifting squat. His shit looked way more legit then any of these guys
They should have machines do this job to track the distance between crease and knee and make sure each competitor covers their personal distance
My new goal is 415. I hit 305 last week at 155 LB. I remember when 225 was once my max.
The hamstrings or butt are the only that has to go below parallel. A 90 degree angle is subject to each person. These people are all amazing lifters. Give them some credit.
Imo I think powerlifting form in general is set up just so they can cheese the movement and lift more than they should be able to.
3:06 do you mean big dogs 4?
I think its a powerlifting meet/event
indeed, good spot
gotta get deep baby!
FPO is the oranisation that white lights high squats seems like they think in raw you only have to squat as low as in equipped
Yury looks decent tbh.... It's not mega depth but it looked just under parallel
This is why in strongman you have to touch the safeties so everyone knows if you are hitting depth
All the squats in this video seemed good
These all did look high but judging from the front is so hard. A ton of great guys get lifts passed even in the USAPL that look high (Ray Williams, Russell Orhii, John Haack back in the day, etc.). I’d need to see the squats in person.
Colton Aho not all some were definitely parallel but idk if parallel counts in competition
I have never understood this flawed judging system.
Place tracking dots on the hip and the knee. Film from side. Review with parallel lines on digital screen. Problem solved right?
"Unfortunately it doesnt seem like weight was the only thing that was cut that day." Ooooooo
And this is why I just go atg
I'm sorry for my lack of experience, but these all look good to me. I've been to a meet before and it's basically gotten to the point where you need to break parallel in order for the lift to count. I'm 6'3" so the depth I hit just at parallel level is deeper than squats from shorter lifters. The problem would easily be solved if they have a box to 'tap' so you would know the depth is correct everytime!
The rule in all federations is hip crease below the top of the knee. It doesn’t need to be 3 inches below, just below. These squats are close, but I’d give them all the benefit of the doubt.
Kali Ressannen, Suomi mainittu, torille
Isn't there a way for front judges to know if a squat is to depth or not?
Yuri always squats high
without even watching, I knew all of these would be outside of IPF/USAPL. Non-tested federations white light every questionable 'all-time wr' because it raises the standard of the comp. Just check boss of bosses last year, ridicolous
belkin's squat grip gives me elbow tendonitis
Hahahaha
And yet ray Williams is still lifting more and to deeper depth than all these guys. Except for the last worlds he did.
Why dont they just have them line up before the squat and measure their butt height for a good squat. Then during the event they film them with an extra camera from exactly perpendicular to that height and then there are no arguments if it was high or low. In WSM they do something similar where they determine the necessary depth the day before for each individual lifter
Unless there are also side video shots are provided, none of this means a thing. Front views are only one part of the picture. Give me a view of that side hip.
IPF is the only federation which points out clearly that a squat is a "good lift" once your hip hits the bottom below the knee line. WPC/WPA and such just "whitelight" every squat that hits or is close to the parallel -- which is the case of each and every lift displayed in this video.
Equipped squats are always high anyway
i think theres a limit on how low you can go (physical limit as in the wraps/suit wont let you go further)
4:44 is Triple H a powerlifter now?
Clarence kennedy would laugh at al these squats
Although it would be stupid and a waste of energy, are ATG squats allowed in powerlifting with a pause at the bottom? Of course no athlete will purposely want to do this but I just wondered if it is against the rules
To be fair, most multiply lifters only hit slightly/above parallel on the squat
He was still high
Yuris squat is pretty good
No Matt Mitchell?
You have a voice just like Scooby fitness.
Martins Licis doesn't compete in powerlifting but his squat depth is inspiring
i dunno why they just dont make lifters do like 5 - 10 sec pause at the bottom to ensure full rom ...
I never see actual powerlifters criticizing depth to this extent. I'm not talkin shit. I'm just sayin I never see it.
3:42 Ptv gym😎
Looking at these vids there is no controversy. None of the disputed calls were squats.
Multiply is a joke
John Haack
I'm a big fan but his squats now always look high
he almost bombed out last meet but I think the judges felt the pressure to pass his last attempt
If two judges say it is good then it is not questionable
You should make a video with the word record bench presses with the most pathetically short range of motion. Or how about world record "sumo"/quarter-rep dead lifts compared to conventional dead lift records. Hahaha! Then also compare the bench press record holders' "equipped"/"suited" bench presses to they raw/unequipped bench presses and see how their numbers drop harder than Fat Man and Little Boy on Japan.
why dont they tape a red line on their thigh to make it easier to see if the tape become parallel to the ground or not. it makes it more easy to see if depth
Because the rule is not breaking parallel, it's hip crease below the knee
I competed primarily in the 1960-70s and IMHO most squats today are not legit.
I love that they used oak to demonstrate a good squat
Equipped lifting sucks.
It went down the drain due to the poor judging, otherwise it would be fine
Nah equipped powerlifting can be great, too! Remember, there's shitty RAW lifters as well that also can destroy the integrity of the sport, like Eddie Berglund/Sean Noriega
@@DaLooseGoose11 *Sigh*
I think the ridiculously wide stance on their squats looks awkward as hell.
No vlad alhazov?
Amused that you didn't even bother giving Hoff's "records" airtime.
Half of these aren't even questionable
I don’t think Tom Kallas ever held squat WR in more than 1 WC. Didn’t you mistake him with Amit Sapir (who held 3 WR’s in 82, 93 and 100 kg WC at some point) and was also known for squatting high?
Amit also has no respect for spotters constantly dumps the bar endangering the spotters
They all look good
Almost all of these are front a front angle and at higher than hip level impossible to tell In most cases
To me dave hoff will be the ultimate high squatter. Im not saying what he does isnt impressive im just saying that he is high.
The notion of squat depth is a myth at best. All squats are exactly equal the same.
In Algeria we have the best squatter in the world 390kg for triple BW 82kg he will campeat in Moscow this year all the world will say his name if you want to watch the vedio text me
It is difficult to judge squat depth from the front. All competitive squats should be filmed from the front and the side.
Lol guess it's not really a problem if they are squatting high. Of everyone is doing it it isn't unfair
No no no lift!!!!!!!!!!!
All of these lifts has done Federation that have lower standarts and no drug test. IPF is only true powerlifting federation!
based on IPF rules, all this squats were invalid
When I saw the title of the video, I expected it to be 40 minutes long.
Tom Kallas was the worst. Not one squat anywhere close to depth.
none of these are to depth. what a joke. what are we even calling a squat -anymore? no wonder the records are so absurdly high
Bro... have you seen nathan baptist depth.... why is that not part of video. Yuri belkin was hitting the grass compared to nathan baptist... disgrace.
most power lift squats are a joke.
personally if its close enough I would still count it
You'd make a terrible ref
equipped lifting is cheating anyways
Bro I literally see nothing wrong with almost all of these genuinely can someone please explain what’s wrong with them