Dr retardo yeah that’s bs and you know it lol. Also there would be some evidence if he did, for example she would not be walking right now. Also he said that he supposed hit them have you seen this dude if he hits something it’s obviously going to leave a mark, especially if it’s out of anger, and you want to tell me that there was no evidence of any of this?
@Gore4ever FulciLives strongman is strongman... If they (top tier strongmans) would train strictly for 3 lifts they would break current records multiple timea
I'd be pissed. We had our trainers checking depth for our lifting club and I got told that I wasn't deep enough after the bar was resting on the safeties. The guys in the cage next to me were way more angry than I was 😂
These lifts are absolutely brilliant! I can kind of empathize a bit with Ray's lifting only because his legs are so massive that sometimes it's tough to see how low his hips are. You can clearly see that all lifts go lower than parallel.
It's the most "joke" sport in existence. Joke organizers, joke equipment, joke spotters, joke judges. Like something some people started in the backyard, and after many decades some how managed not to improve in quality.
@@furymern8162 For all its flaws, at least crossfit managed to put together a major organization with qualifying competitions all over the world and one annual top competition where the best people in the sport can all come together and compete under the same rules to see who's best and cash in a pretty decent check for their effort. They also do a good job setting up the stage for the competition and manage to draw in a crowd and get TV coverage. All of these are things you can't say about powerlifting, where it's still just a bunch of amateur federations each defending that their rules and records are the "right" ones, where you have this kind of shitty judging, grossly negligent organization for example when it comes to equipment and spotters, the prize is a plastic trophy and a picture on the wall of the local gym and the only people watching are the lifters' friends and family.
Geoffrey Verity Schofield Joey Flexx that was handling him at the meet said that after the 771lb deadlift 2nd attempt where he got red lighted Jesse said “I’m done with this” and threw away his belt. The year before he got red lighted twice on squats with a controversial call at 733lb lol
2" ROM super-arch and hands as wide as physically possible, literally just lifts off and re racks: 3 white lights. Actually lifts the weight with a reasonably narrow grip and relatively flat back using full ROM and pectoral/Tricep power: 3 red lights and your car got keyed
Tbf, I always thought the ipf is letting Ray get away with questionable depth because he was their poster boy. The way He hyperextends his back makes it pretty much impossible to hit depth for anyone
It was an awful call on Thor’s squat. If he had been given it he would have had the second highest total of all time at that point in history and would still have the fourth highest of all time now. He was definitely trying to win everything strength related in 2018. After dominating strongman that year I’m sure he had the heaviest PL total of all time planned for that meet. Grip issues let him down though and he couldn’t get the deadlift that would have given him that accolade (without the dodgy squat call that is). Shame.
Baffled by the comments about Thors last lift being robbery. He could have been given it but it would have been very lucky! The 440 lift was a gift. Don't get me wrong if I hit the same depth for the same split second on a PB in the gym I would count it but powerlifting rules are always more strict. Who paused on their chest when doing their max bench press in the gym for instance :).
I was a competitive powerlifter for over 20 years. I was never an elite lifter and was totally natural (other tha protein powder and creatine) so I was out the because I enjoyed the sport and wanted to try to push my PR's to a new limit each meet. I was never a threat to set any major records, but I was amazed and frustrated by the lack of standardization of judging between federations. I was also surprised at the lack of standardization between different judges themselves within each federation. After the 2000 season I started competing solely in Ironman (bench and deadlift) because I never knew the true definition of squat depth. Even in Ironman I still found that was still a big discrepancy between judging between federations...especially in the deadlift. I've been in competitions where none of the judges were certified, even at the state level, but were allowed to judge simply because the federation couldn't find anyone to judge the competitions. I've even seen lifters who were competing again other lifters within their class used as judges to judge the lifter they were competing against. That's why the sport has such a hard time getting national recognition and credibility. The Julius Maddox debacle on ESPN certainly didn't help this situation either.
My hamstrings touch my calves when i squat but i still get some people telling me it isnt atg then i just tell them you try squating my depth with 6"8 frame xD
I’m all into weight lifting so I don’t know the rules of powerlifting but does powerlifting have juries who can over turn the referee’s decisions ? Also can you contest the judge / jury’s decision by looking at the replay ? Think this is the only fair way. Of course in weightlifting as well it’s still a gray decision at times even with these systems because after all they’re all humans and I feel they’re biased at times.
I think depth should all be based on the person squatting like before the meet the officials check everyone’s squat depth but then that would be so hard to do and the amount cheating that would come with it wouldn’t be fair
I see this more with the bigger lifters, as their hips can be slightly obscured by their mass. Sometimes I have to wonder if some of the international judges are on the take. Depending on the federation, they can be quite a small circle at the top. Who knows?
A Russian guy (Malanichev) held the total world record at the time. Makes me wonder what country can someone named "Boris" be from... And what country is obsessed with their sport results because it's a part of their propaganda...
I have inly done one full power meet, but a proper squat required the crwase of your hip to be even with your knee. Some of these were high by that standard, but each federation has their own rules and will make glaring exceptions for certain lifters.
And that's why I'll never compete in this mess. Same with body building comps, those are ridden with politics and dependant on what coach or gym you're under
Lets not forget we also get some really garbage looking lifts get green lighted and even made record holders. Judges should be more strict rather than lenient imo.. even if it leads to blunders such as these.
These judges are just sad and lonely people who never accomplished anything, so they must earn selfworth by controlling others with their bureaucratic power. All these deathlifts looked good, maybe they could have gone deeper but there should have been no reason for the judge to give red lights.
front angles are impossible to be 100% sure if its proper depth. All of these were borderline so could've gone either way. Jessies squat i can 99% say that his 3rd was higher than his 1st and 2nd, if the judges notices that that could be a factor aswell. Hafthor's knees looks soft af aswell in the lockout, so even if depth was convincing he could get red/blue lighted because of that. And I love Ray, but his squats are ALWAYS borderline, ALWAYS. Plus ipf ruling is stricter than alternate federations.
why is everyone wory about strongmans grip in powerlifting?they litteraly have to train grip hard beacuse they do grip lifts in competition and powerlifters just have mix grip deadlift i mean wtf
Been so long since cameras have been invented and still no official has ever had the idea of rewatching lifts and maybe re-evaluating the scores given to controversial lifts? I understand that we should honor the judge’s decision but these lifts getting bad scores looks so unprofessional by the judges, it’s like they’re doing that on purpose... Literally takes up from 10 seconds to 5 minutes, depending how controversial the lift is, to decide whether it was legit or not... People’s years and even decades of hard work been put into making these world record lifts, I think at least anyone who competes at that level deserves the chance to appeal the judge’s decision and have their lift be checked once again, recommended with different new judges that don’t have a prejudice opinion... Anytime I hear about a judge’s inability to accept an appeal it’s usually less about the authenticity of a lift but more about their own ego trying to protect some sort of reputation they made up in their own mind...
and then you have ppl benching 3cm range of motion setting world records with 3 white lights.... i love this sport but this is starting to hurt my brain xD this sport needs a change in the rule system
I love powerlifting but honestly it's just a fucking joke. You can arch bench and have 2 inch rom and get 3 white lights but a "soft knee" deadlift gets red lights? And a good squat lift gets red lights? The rules within powerlifting are braindead. Some of the rules goes against themselves. Which ones do I mean? Isn't it obvious, not deep enough squat (in this case was deep enough) vs a 2 inch rom bench that removes 90% of the rom. Smh
Lol hafthor can do 460 kg squat i can do 40 KG squat 10 times. I weigh 44 kg. Taths weak to some people I might be stronger kg for kg but hafthor is big but still strong kg for kg. He is the strongest man on earth. No way i could be ass strong as him.
If you want to argue that a lift was in then you should film from the side angle With overweight people you literally have no idea where the crease of their hips are from the front and I’d argue none of these squats were convinviclgly in without a doubt
See this is my problem with powerlifting there's too much just random arbitrary rules in judging happening I mean you going to talk shit about how relatively loose strongman power lifts car but at least you know consistent it's the most extreme rules to get his one like you're not allowed to drop or something like that
Why was Ray mad that wasnt depth, i mean not nearly, he is so fat that it is very hard to even judge and even when he goes to depth its barely there, these reps were bad
Low bar versus high bar Sumo versus conventional Dramatic arch versus standard comp bench These are surface level issues with powerlifting, and on top of them judges are inconsistent across the board. How is the sport of powerlifting supposed to be taken seriously when the rules and regulations can be bent so easily?
Powerlifting is not Strongman ,you're NOT allowed to do any mistakes in form etc. judges are 100% right in all cases... i dont understand is this a clickbait or smth ?
Not sure what hardasses these judges are trying to play. Some of these lifts were so legit that i kind if cringed at their decisions.
R. Lohengramm Miserable people who have never had authority over someone in their lifes and takes it out on innocent lifters, pathetic
Some judges haven't even lifted a day in their lives lmao, for example the chairman of the IPF.
rcmunro22- I think the issue is that different people have different sized/shaped thigh muscles so it’s hard to tell if the femur is at depth.
@@rcmunro22 All those lifts were good.
@@JasonLee-gy5ch Agreed.
Some judges would red light Clarence Kennedy for depth tho
*ass smacks his ankles*
*red light*
Ass smacks the ground
Red light
*ass grazes his toes*
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@@yanniblumstein1 leaves a crater in the ground
Red light
These comments are great, thanks for the laughs.
I forgot squat depth is achieved when the lifter leaves a stain on the platform.
The sad part about Thor's is that his second lift looks like the highest of the three from the angle we get.
100% That's the only one that should have been red lighted
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That hafthor lift was robbery and I don’t even like him.
I dont like him either but god damn the judges where harsh
Hafthor's was a good ol' toss-up.
Southern Fun thank you for for the story big tough guy 😎
Dr retardo yeah that’s bs and you know it lol. Also there would be some evidence if he did, for example she would not be walking right now. Also he said that he supposed hit them have you seen this dude if he hits something it’s obviously going to leave a mark, especially if it’s out of anger, and you want to tell me that there was no evidence of any of this?
Yep, there's something off about him.
Not surprised by his history
They wanted Jesse to squat with his hips buried into the ground 😓
As soon as i read the title i thought of Hafthors 3rd squat
@Gore4ever FulciLives strongman is strongman... If they (top tier strongmans) would train strictly for 3 lifts they would break current records multiple timea
Thor was robbed hard. The first person to squat 1000 and dead 900 in the same meet in my eyes
It’s a Shame that there isn’t footage from either side though. Squats are hard to judge just from the front.
Some of these lifts are so good that you kinda have to think maybe the judges were being biased for some reason or another.
I'd be pissed. We had our trainers checking depth for our lifting club and I got told that I wasn't deep enough after the bar was resting on the safeties. The guys in the cage next to me were way more angry than I was 😂
maybe lower the safeties?
@@enricopravato6677 maybe the judges should grow a brain
@@ilovemsminutes5833 it wasn't the judges telling him, the trainer was, which means that probably he wasn't going low enough
These lifts are absolutely brilliant! I can kind of empathize a bit with Ray's lifting only because his legs are so massive that sometimes it's tough to see how low his hips are. You can clearly see that all lifts go lower than parallel.
All except for Thors 2nd, it was the only high lift in this video
powerlifting really is a joke in a lot of situations
It's the most "joke" sport in existence. Joke organizers, joke equipment, joke spotters, joke judges. Like something some people started in the backyard, and after many decades some how managed not to improve in quality.
@@qwert12345asdfgzxcvb at least still better than crossfit
@@furymern8162 For all its flaws, at least crossfit managed to put together a major organization with qualifying competitions all over the world and one annual top competition where the best people in the sport can all come together and compete under the same rules to see who's best and cash in a pretty decent check for their effort. They also do a good job setting up the stage for the competition and manage to draw in a crowd and get TV coverage.
All of these are things you can't say about powerlifting, where it's still just a bunch of amateur federations each defending that their rules and records are the "right" ones, where you have this kind of shitty judging, grossly negligent organization for example when it comes to equipment and spotters, the prize is a plastic trophy and a picture on the wall of the local gym and the only people watching are the lifters' friends and family.
Jessie Norris is a legend for not kicking some judging arse that day. What a travesty.
Geoffrey Verity Schofield Joey Flexx that was handling him at the meet said that after the 771lb deadlift 2nd attempt where he got red lighted Jesse said “I’m done with this” and threw away his belt. The year before he got red lighted twice on squats with a controversial call at 733lb lol
Fire all these judges unbelievable absolutely ridiculous robbing these men of their hard earned records!!!!
These are the same “professionals” that oversee lifts like Julius Maddox’s recent fiasco. They haven’t got a clue 😅
Another quality video like always
Ray's squats are mega high in training and I question his comp depth, too
Agreed
Ray's gut is obscuring the Judge's view.
the fact that some of these judges never touched weights in their whole life
same judges that will say an arched bench is a good lift
2" ROM super-arch and hands as wide as physically possible, literally just lifts off and re racks: 3 white lights.
Actually lifts the weight with a reasonably narrow grip and relatively flat back using full ROM and pectoral/Tricep power: 3 red lights and your car got keyed
ray william's and thor's third attempts were actual robbery
They need VAR for lifting
Tbf, I always thought the ipf is letting Ray get away with questionable depth because he was their poster boy. The way He hyperextends his back makes it pretty much impossible to hit depth for anyone
He's also giant. SHW squat judging tends to be a bit laxer than it is in other weight classes.
The judges play with the health of the lifters, making them repeat a gigantic efford more times.
There's also Big Z's 2000 red light on deadlifts when he locked out for 10 secs straight
It was an awful call on Thor’s squat.
If he had been given it he would have had the second highest total of all time at that point in history and would still have the fourth highest of all time now.
He was definitely trying to win everything strength related in 2018. After dominating strongman that year I’m sure he had the heaviest PL total of all time planned for that meet. Grip issues let him down though and he couldn’t get the deadlift that would have given him that accolade (without the dodgy squat call that is). Shame.
Make a video of good red lights that got made depth
Judges: The athlete MUST sweep the floor with their cheeks in order for the squat to count 🤓....
Baffled by the comments about Thors last lift being robbery. He could have been given it but it would have been very lucky! The 440 lift was a gift. Don't get me wrong if I hit the same depth for the same split second on a PB in the gym I would count it but powerlifting rules are always more strict. Who paused on their chest when doing their max bench press in the gym for instance :).
you know that feeling when the music is louder then the guy speaking.........
Ray's squats were high by IPF standards. Thor's depth was also borderline, depending on the federation. Jesse's red lights were the most egregious.
I like the whistle at the beginning
Thanks for listening to requests
The judges be jelly XD
I think Thor got screwed because he's so tall. Maybe that's why his squat looked "high" (from the judge's angle)
Why don't they tape a thin line down the femur from centre of patella to hip to use as a reference? That would remove any argument.
Jesse's knees were already almost up to his fucking chest. What the fuck did those judges want more?
Great guys with great lift
This has been the problem with powerlifting forever. These judges are blind. It will never change!
Why don’t they have camera’s look at it and software measure it exactly?
There's no way that 3rd squat from Jesse Morris should have got any red lights!
Mental
Why isn't there a replay system
I was a competitive powerlifter for over 20 years. I was never an elite lifter and was totally natural (other tha protein powder and creatine) so I was out the because I enjoyed the sport and wanted to try to push my PR's to a new limit each meet. I was never a threat to set any major records, but I was amazed and frustrated by the lack of standardization of judging between federations. I was also surprised at the lack of standardization between different judges themselves within each federation. After the 2000 season I started competing solely in Ironman (bench and deadlift) because I never knew the true definition of squat depth. Even in Ironman I still found that was still a big discrepancy between judging between federations...especially in the deadlift. I've been in competitions where none of the judges were certified, even at the state level, but were allowed to judge simply because the federation couldn't find anyone to judge the competitions. I've even seen lifters who were competing again other lifters within their class used as judges to judge the lifter they were competing against. That's why the sport has such a hard time getting national recognition and credibility. The Julius Maddox debacle on ESPN certainly didn't help this situation either.
My hamstrings touch my calves when i squat but i still get some people telling me it isnt atg then i just tell them you try squating my depth with 6"8 frame xD
But they give white lights to people who bench with an arch where they only press the bar 2-3”
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I’m all into weight lifting so I don’t know the rules of powerlifting but does powerlifting have juries who can over turn the referee’s decisions ?
Also can you contest the judge / jury’s decision by looking at the replay ?
Think this is the only fair way. Of course in weightlifting as well it’s still a gray decision at times even with these systems because after all they’re all humans and I feel they’re biased at times.
Use garage door openers to trigger a good lift if the beam is broken. Set it up to the squatters butt?
I think depth should all be based on the person squatting like before the meet the officials check everyone’s squat depth but then that would be so hard to do and the amount cheating that would come with it wouldn’t be fair
Is there anything like a replay so they can see it again before deciding if it was good or not
I see this more with the bigger lifters, as their hips can be slightly obscured by their mass. Sometimes I have to wonder if some of the international judges are on the take. Depending on the federation, they can be quite a small circle at the top. Who knows?
I think 2018 Hafthor is the strongest man to ever live
But he's a boxer now so he's wasting his potential
His 2018, 2019, 2020 versions are the 3 Strongest Men ever in my opinion.
they got Hoffed!
Cant have a strongman coming in an dominating powerlifters can they
The 926 red light squat was deeper than his 970 good squat.
The judge who redlighted Thor from the front was non other than Boris sheiko. Can't help but lose some respect for him
A Russian guy (Malanichev) held the total world record at the time. Makes me wonder what country can someone named "Boris" be from... And what country is obsessed with their sport results because it's a part of their propaganda...
I came here to just say ,that what she said .
I was waiting for you
Jessie buries his squats
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Thor's hip-strenght is out of limits. He just explodes from the bottom.
I have inly done one full power meet, but a proper squat required the crwase of your hip to be even with your knee. Some of these were high by that standard, but each federation has their own rules and will make glaring exceptions for certain lifters.
In IPF worlds depth is stricter - the red lighted squats from Williams in this video look also bit too high for me.
Funny that all of these lifters are extremely popular. Whenever a popular lifter gets reds people claim they were "robbed"
Issue is that; these guy's hips and thighs are so huge, it makes judging from any direction hard.
They probably weren’t watching and took someone else’s word for it
wtf is soft knees?
I agree with giving Ray Williams reds on his depth, he simply isn't squatting low enough if you want to go by IPF standard.
Soft knees ? What does that mean ?
Means that his knees weren't locked out at the top of the movement
Do a bad lifts that got green lights
And that's why I'll never compete in this mess. Same with body building comps, those are ridden with politics and dependant on what coach or gym you're under
Ray didn't get depth. As he often does(not).
Lets not forget we also get some really garbage looking lifts get green lighted and even made record holders. Judges should be more strict rather than lenient imo.. even if it leads to blunders such as these.
These judges are just sad and lonely people who never accomplished anything, so they must earn selfworth by controlling others with their bureaucratic power. All these deathlifts looked good, maybe they could have gone deeper but there should have been no reason for the judge to give red lights.
Is Norris still competing?
Do the judges want their asses to touch the floor or something, this is just ridiculous
front angles are impossible to be 100% sure if its proper depth. All of these were borderline so could've gone either way. Jessies squat i can 99% say that his 3rd was higher than his 1st and 2nd, if the judges notices that that could be a factor aswell. Hafthor's knees looks soft af aswell in the lockout, so even if depth was convincing he could get red/blue lighted because of that. And I love Ray, but his squats are ALWAYS borderline, ALWAYS. Plus ipf ruling is stricter than alternate federations.
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why is everyone wory about strongmans grip in powerlifting?they litteraly have to train grip hard beacuse they do grip lifts in competition and powerlifters just have mix grip deadlift i mean wtf
I hate power lifting. It looks so obvious that they went deep but still get a red light.
Been so long since cameras have been invented and still no official has ever had the idea of rewatching lifts and maybe re-evaluating the scores given to controversial lifts? I understand that we should honor the judge’s decision but these lifts getting bad scores looks so unprofessional by the judges, it’s like they’re doing that on purpose... Literally takes up from 10 seconds to 5 minutes, depending how controversial the lift is, to decide whether it was legit or not... People’s years and even decades of hard work been put into making these world record lifts, I think at least anyone who competes at that level deserves the chance to appeal the judge’s decision and have their lift be checked once again, recommended with different new judges that don’t have a prejudice opinion... Anytime I hear about a judge’s inability to accept an appeal it’s usually less about the authenticity of a lift but more about their own ego trying to protect some sort of reputation they made up in their own mind...
And 2 cm Barpath on Bench is a good lift. What the hell.... 🤣🤔
Norris was robbed twice. 2015 for 733lb twice and 2016 at 749 lol
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and then you have ppl benching 3cm range of motion setting world records with 3 white lights.... i love this sport but this is starting to hurt my brain xD this sport needs a change in the rule system
Maybe we should just put a sensor on their butts that passes a laser and automatically green lights the lift
I love powerlifting but honestly it's just a fucking joke. You can arch bench and have 2 inch rom and get 3 white lights but a "soft knee" deadlift gets red lights? And a good squat lift gets red lights? The rules within powerlifting are braindead. Some of the rules goes against themselves. Which ones do I mean? Isn't it obvious, not deep enough squat (in this case was deep enough) vs a 2 inch rom bench that removes 90% of the rom. Smh
These judges are blind af
Lol hafthor can do 460 kg squat i can do 40 KG squat 10 times. I weigh 44 kg. Taths weak to some people I might be stronger kg for kg but hafthor is big but still strong kg for kg. He is the strongest man on earth. No way i could be ass strong as him.
RUSSIAN BLYAT BOY! He’s an amazing athlete
@@jaya.2424 Some Times i think he is beter at dead lift then eddie hall but eddie hall has stronger sholders
The Almighty i wish he did a total before he started slimming
You are not stronger kg for kg, he could squat his bodyweight (200kg) for over 35 reps based a max lift of 460kg.
I can assure you you are not stronger than hafthor in any way lol
Jesse got robbed. Ray's squats looked a little high to me
Wow...
If you want to argue that a lift was in then you should film from the side angle
With overweight people you literally have no idea where the crease of their hips are from the front and I’d argue none of these squats were convinviclgly in without a doubt
It's so funny to me that they rob people on squat depth but allow sumo and those goofy ass 2 inch bench presses
Halfthor's squat was legit as fuck!
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I’m surprises the deadlift of zavickas at world is Not there it might be the all time worst deadlift call
See this is my problem with powerlifting there's too much just random arbitrary rules in judging happening I mean you going to talk shit about how relatively loose strongman power lifts car but at least you know consistent it's the most extreme rules to get his one like you're not allowed to drop or something like that
Why was Ray mad that wasnt depth, i mean not nearly, he is so fat that it is very hard to even judge and even when he goes to depth its barely there, these reps were bad
Low bar versus high bar
Sumo versus conventional
Dramatic arch versus standard comp bench
These are surface level issues with powerlifting, and on top of them judges are inconsistent across the board. How is the sport of powerlifting supposed to be taken seriously when the rules and regulations can be bent so easily?
IMO I didn’t see one bad lift this whole video
Powerlifting is not Strongman ,you're NOT allowed to do any mistakes in form etc. judges are 100% right in all cases... i dont understand is this a clickbait or smth ?
If judges are perfect, they're a rare breed of humans.
all of these where good calls whats the fuss tf
By powerlifting standards Halfthors judges were calling it right.