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Due to these rules, powerlifting is becoming a meme.
Was gonna say the same thing. That's hardly even recognizable as a bench press. Sports kind of a joke
@@calebowen2006 more of a pull than a press considering eccentric was like twice as much as the concentric lmao
I agree...now i say "I lift things" instead of im powerlifter xd
Call themselves powerlifters when they have no power and rely completely on nonwxistent roms
🔫 Always has been
It's getting harder and harder to defend this sport, man.
I don’t understand how people could even defend the arch in the first place. It was obvious where this was going to go. Sure the arch gives you different leverages and it works your muscles differently but it absolutely gives you an advantage in terms of ROM. The fact that there isn’t any enforcement back arches would obviously lead to differences in ROM. This isn’t competing in strength, it’s competing in back flexibility.
@@brianjc720 true
When you take the lifting out of weightlifting.
😂😂😂😂 so true!
They should start requiring at least 90° flection at the elbow
Way more efficient than a grip width restriction based on wingspan
*exactly*
Minimum range of motion based on the flexion of the joints, just like with squats.
Depends fat people can't really do that
Like the hip crease has to hit the same hight as the top of the knee or lower, make it 90° or the arm has to be parallel to the floor or elbow even with the shoulder.
But i like were your going with this.
Except now we will have shitty depth calls for 2 lifts instead of 1 and bench is already complicated enough to judge. You’re expecting the refs to stare and make sure the but remains in contact and that the depth is right with the elbows at the same time. The angle to have a good view of both of those doesn’t really exist
Calling that a bench press is like saying I can lift a car because I can rock it back and forth by pushing on the side of it. Absolutely ridiculous. Bench press should require your back to lie on the bench and your grip to be sufficiently close that your elbows reach a certain degree of bending.
For me the least they can do is make it so there is no arch and your back has to be touching the bench no more of this arching bs
Judge it just like the squat, crease of the elbow must go below the top of the anterior delt. Problem solved.
@@pullupenyojer using an arch is actually good for your body but only a little bit, this is waaaay too much
The arch should stay. It's the grip that simply needs to be restricted
The arching puts the chest in a decline posture, if some benchers find this more comfortable or are stronger at that angle maybe allow a few degree incline or decline of the bench as desired by the lifter but get rid of this extreme arching.
IPF CHANGED THE RULES
It seems that there needs to be a required distance of travel. This is why I enjoy strongman competitions. In strongman, nearly all of the events require the same amount of movement of the weights for all competitors (ie. Move an atlas stone from the ground to a set height on a platform; drag an anchor from here to there; pull a truck to a set distance, etc). In physics, Work=Force x Distance traveled. For my 16” range of motion on bench as compared with this gals 1” ROM, I perform 16 times more work with the same weight.
Two minutes in the box for unsportsmanlike conduct.
You may hate her bench rom but her squat rom was unquestionably deep
This isn't a bench press or a test of strength. It's a mockery of the sport.
has anyone who criticize the ROM on these lifts actually tried doing one of these? I can't even imagine holding my 1RM like that, much less moving it. It doesn't even look like it would even hit the chest and is almost entirely arm based. just now getting curious about the specifics of this technique and how it utilizes the muscles as well as differs from a more commonly executed bench press.
I think the seated overhead press should be included as a competition lift (clarification: added as a new lift not to replace the bench press) from bar below chin to full lockout with the same calls as the bench press. Sure lifters could still trim ROM by widening the grip but it's weaker and they can't meet the bar half way by arching. That way the sport actually demands that the athletes' upper body strength is up to standard, the training time is shared with the bench press and adding a new lift is a good way to bring some more hype to the sport
No the overhead press sucks.
@@9999-k9q Why tho? A lot of people use it as an accessory when training the bench press already so nobody will need to start from scratch
@@atrumluminarium you can watch strongman if you wanna see overhead press
@@9999-k9q by that argument, powerlifting should just be the benchpress then
@@atrumluminarium Powerliftings sole purpose is to see the strongest man in the big 3 lifts which has been squat deadlift and bench since the creation of Powerlifting and taking 1 of the main movements away to add an accessory lift to it is retarded, might aswell change deadlift to strict row and squats to split squats so people dont "cheat" it right
She got a 1:1:1 ratio on her total what in the world
thats not a bench press thats a lockout press
If I’m being real, seeing all the pathetic excessive range of motion cheats in powerlifting made me go full range of motion in every lift. I always bench super close grip, squat ass to grass with a close stance, and deadlift conventional. If powerlifting had to strict rules, it would’ve been in the olympics long ago.
She did such a deep squat, but that is not a bench press.
To bench more than i deadlift, now that would be something 😂
That ain't a bench press..it's a shrug
Threw macanical advantage she actually puts herself at a disadvantage from the wide grip length but i still wouldnt count that
That's just plain fucking stupid. My PR is 315 but I'm pretty sure I could bench 500 with that ROM. What a joke.
This along with the super wide sumo stance (I lift sumo myself) that give the lifts tiny range of motion are ruining comps for me personally. How can you compare someone moving the weight twice the distance to someone moving it half the distance equally it’s just not the same thing
One way to solve that would be to use Joules instead of kilos to measure the lifts.
Since joules is a measure of work (Force * Distance), a 50KG bench press with 30cm of ROM would score 50*9.81(earth gravity)*0.3 = 147.15 Joules
While a 100kg with 10cm of ROM would only score 100*9.81*0.1 = 98.1 Joules.
Same for deadlift so that shorties with long arms who lift with ultra wide sumo don't get the advantage anymore.
And squat so you can add some technicality to it by having to choose between ass to grass with lower weight or half reps with higher weight.
This could also make events more fun since you won't know your score until judges check the video to measure your ROM so the results couldn be delayed until the end of the event to add some suspense.
Just make a rule that states the elbow joint must hit 90 degrees or less for it to count, problem solved. Just like how squat requires parallel femurs.
Did anyone else hear the squeaky dog toy sound from OE Fitness?
Gotta widen my grip now.
Holy shit, how does that qualify as a clean lift? She moved the bar an inch.
Broke the record my ass
I know the community's sick of hearing it, but the bench and deadlift allowances make this sport not worth watching from a common outside perspective. They hurt viewership, growth, and ultimately funding.
Squat has to be to hip below knee so why is bench not elbow below shoulder.
People int he comments are overreacting. There's really not that many extreme arches out there at the elite levels, proportionally. I can only think of around 3 meme arches: Noriega, Berglund and this lifter.
Imagine how much she would have lifted had she been able to hide a slingshot under that shirt.
Bench grip should maintain a vertical forearm. That would eliminate a lot of bullshit right off the bat.
This is why they made a joke of it
I'm disappointed that as I write this, OE Fitness hasn't covered this yet.
This is literally a joke. Wtf happened to ACTUAL benching??? Powerlifting is NOT a contortionist sport, wtf. I myself do over double bodyweight bench (375lbs at 184lbs) and i dont do any of this stuff, i could maybe hit 4 plates if i did, but why??? Don't these people have ANY dignity? I rather get a lift with ACTUAL STRENGTH than do stupid stuff to cut the range of motion OMG. Rules need to be changed ASAP, Candito made a fantastic video on this
Rule for bench
Min bottom position with
Vertical forearms and
Humerus parallel to floor
Nothing is perfectly fair, but something has to be done to rectify this bench form dumpster fire.
This is a joke i would bench 200 if i had that ROM
If it's not breaking the rules and helps her drive numbers, take advantage and win
If we need to have a 90° angle in our legs in squats, then we can establish and enforce that rule for bench press too.
This kind of ROM is fucking stupid.
Just say the elbows have to reach right angles. It's a pretty simple rule to make.
yeah thats what the new rules set in place
Absolutely disgusting. The IPF needs to wake up
If we allow sumo why can't we allow this bench? Same argument: same muscles used, the bar still moves, still within the rules
Did the bar really move though? She just unlocked and locked the elbows. She didn't do any actual press.
@@Croissantrophy.meme.channel it moved. Barely moved but it still moved. I'm against it and even more against sumo
No arching should be allowed. Put your back flat on the bench. All that arching turns the lift into decline bench. Lame.
An iso hold would be less pathetic...
That’s making a mockery of powerlifting!
She's impersonating a weight rack
lmao the arched back rule is bonkers. How they can allow that shit for real
this ROM abuse is the kind of shit that makes people laugh at powerlifting they need to restrict it somehow
Just make it so your arms need to be at an acute angle or at least at less than 90 degrees if fully extended can be seen as 180 degrees. It would fix both grip and arch issues and would be something that can be easily seen.
@@LS-jv9hp Bad squat calls are a big issue in Powerlifting, now imagine bench calls coming in on top of that. Additionally, that 90 degree Thing is idiotic because everyones leverages differ
@@ottowelt4378 Mate you're the idiotic one man. You can easily tell 90 degrees for a bench press, even 120kg+ guys like Ray Williams arm goes to 90 degrees benching with an arch its impossible to not a full bench press without your arms going to your side which should make 90 degrees.
@@LS-jv9hp it is actually posible just watch more SHW powerlifters and even there are some lighter guys without a big arch that can't hit 90 degrees with their elbows
@@davids17091983 If you got videos of them I'd like to see as I've yet to see anyone who isn't doing a big arch who can't do 90 degrees Because I can't see how someone can touch their chest with the bar without arching without doing 90 degrees on their elbows. Since their arms themselves would have to pass the torso or go in line with their torso on the way down which at that point your biceps are gonna start to move towards your forearms which would less than 90 degrees. You'd need some extreme arm deformity to do it.
Actually hilarious. She couldn't even finish the rep. The spotters lifted it and racked it for her because she was aN INCH away from even re-racking it
Spotters musta really had to concentrate on whether the bar is falling, going up, staying on her chest or the lift is finished
Yup, probably the grip slided a little bit, that angle of wrist is suicide.
@@somerandomguywastaken lol
over half her ROM and couldnt re rack. oop
@@somerandomguywastaken lol I couldn't even tell when she began the lift
When lawyers get their hands on the powerlifting rule book.
Made me laugh out loud, ty
I’m a lawyer and I love this so much
I don't wanna hear anybody say 2 inches isn't enough ever again
🤣🤣🤣
😂
😂😂👍
God bless you sir thanks for looking out
No hate to the lifter. She is clearly very technically proficient and it's impressive she is that flexible under load. But this is why powerlifting isn't in the Olympics.
Replace benchpress with larsen press and it's instantly solved.
No, it’s not in the olympics because weightlifting has enough failed drug test and DOESNT have an untested division and culture and history full of drug use, the IOC doesn’t want to risk more drug test failures than they already have.
@@Jmack7861 Interesting theory for sure but the Olympics is a business. If they can get a popular sport that will get viewers into the Olympics, they’ll do it. Powerlifting just isn’t popular enough yet with the casual fan because it’s a bit boring to watch casually and the movements are getting farther and farther away from what a casual fan knows as a squat bench and deadlift.
@@Jmack7861 this is literally every sport. Every Olympian is on PEDs bro lol
@@wikitiki44 something with Olympic weightlifting form rules like the press out rule, it's putting weightlifting at risk of being completely removed from the Olympics. Nobody cares about drugs lol, that's all political.
I would recommend a grip width restriction based on wingspan👍
Good idea man💪
@Michael Hayden Agreed, the only thing that seems realistic is doing it based on weightclass
@@LiftingVault it wouldnt be fair for people with long arms if we used the width grip based on weightglass
Wingspan would be too hard, i think that there should be something like "at the lockout, the outermost points of the left and right hands, as well as the tip of the nose, should form no more than a 90 degree angle"
Purely visual, can tell if the grip is good pretty easily with a picture and some basic software. Not perfect, but thats why im not one of the guys making the rules
@@aaronhapponen2901 So the rules are fair now?
What she does is actually VERY beneficial for the sport itself right now. Shes showing how ridiculous those rules are and people are making even more fun of powerlifting (IPF), which I think will lead to a change in the ruleset
It would be if anyone actually watched these events. There's a reason nobody except powerlifters gives a shit about watching these types of meets
What does the IPF have to do with it? As far as I know, rules are pretty much similar in all feds. Tiny females just tend to compete in the IPF.
this comment aged well
That’s a sumo bench 😂. She’s awesome though. Blame the rule book.
no, she's not awesome
as long as you can exploit the rules it is legal, so there should be specific rules for this
We do blame the rule book. It makes the lifts a joke.
Jajajaja 😂
Judges are inconsistent as it is without lifts like this being counted
I got my daughter to stand and hold on to the bar with plates on it when she was like 16 months old. She had the strongest deadlift possible... she could deadlift an infinite amount of weight since she was standing in a locked out position holding the bar.
The Super Junior -10 kg weight class is gonna see some serious action once people catch on to this! Goo goo ga ga!
I support everyone getting into lifting and competing and enjoying it. I'm glad she didn't get hurt. BUT that bench is ridiculous. It was like unlocking the elbow then locking it while under load. Should not be considered a 'bench press'
@LE rekt What was wrong with her squat?
she literally did a horizontal shoulder shrug and that was it😂
She DIDN'T unlock her elbows though! She just shrugged her shoulders.
if she gets 1inch breast implants she can finish the lift before starting it and break maddox's record. She might be the closest person to an 800 or 900 or infinite bench we know of
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I though about getting a push up bra and then go into powerlifting 😂
She could get pregnant and they would get a bit bigger naturally
@ since the lift finishes instantly, I guess the spotter would technically have to hold the weight for her to unrack-rerack the same moment
This girl really took AthleanX’s advice about how RoM kills your gains. looks like athleanx was right
AthleanX is a UA-camr who wouldn't be able to compete at this girls level in his age or weight class.
@@MaestroJericho lmao you really think any fitness youtuber let alone athlean x can't bench 2 plates? Bro half the people at my gym can do that.
@@cosmic_gate476 "in his age or weight class". Which means around a 1300-1500lb total which I bet all my assets he can't do
@@cosmic_gate476 Athlean X isnt benching two plates, id put €10 on that. And i am poor.
@@MaestroJericho "at this girls level in his age and weight class." that would be higher than the girls level
I don't understand why the IPF won't revise the rules
How would they change the rules to make it fair for everyone
@@aaronhapponen2901 Upper arms parallel to bench, issue solved.
@@aaronhapponen2901 grip widths based on weight class as candito said
@@axelheilborn5369 Lifter with short arms and a slight arch won't be able to get to parallel. Candito and Noriega's idea to have a maximal width according to your weight class is the most doable one i think.
@@samuelbelle1484 It would force shorter lifters to limit their grip width and extended arch. Literally, everyone can make a benchpress where the arms go parallel to the bench, it all comes down to angels.
The powerlifting community should have taken a stand against this a long long time ago. Almost seems too late now
Problem is, some of the community viciously defend this type of lifting. It is embarrassing
Outside of that one girl who made a video of a zero ROM bench, yeah.
This is why PL rules need to change. The sport is supposed to be a kjt testing strength. That's not what this is.
I don't buy the argument that powerlifting is meant to be a "test of strength".
It's a test of your ability to squat, bench press and deadlift consecutively on the same day.
Strength is one part of that but will never be the only part.
Powerlifter : why does many people didn't give respect or give attention to my sport ?
Also powerlifter :
False dichotomy. Powerlifting is growing, not shrinking. Why it's not a big time sport it's because it's not a team vs team sport, second because a powerlifting meet is boring and takes forever. 99% of people wouldn't even be awake long enough to react to the benching.
@@Jeneric81 for the athlete it us fun but for guest? They also need pre workouts to stay awake
Her bench width is wider than my sumo stance.
Thats why powerlifting movements will never be the part of the olympics
the para olympics has bench press I think
@@prorangerr arching isn't really possible in the paralympics.
Bench rules HAVE to be changed so elbow joint should atleast travel just below shoulder joint to count it as good repetition.
In squat hips has to travel just below the knees to be considered good lift, same should be in benching, bringing elbows down below shoulder and that would be true test of bench press.
Only ones who would dislike are people who do rainbow backs with extreme wide grips.
Thanks for reading have a good day
Powerlifting is a meme lmao what kind of self respecting sport would allow this
Your assumption about self respect was wrong lol
Yes, that needs to corrected. There should be a minimum ROM for a lift.
Needs to be a maximum arch in degrees, otherwise it's all a big meme. People don't care about watching some movement they'll never do at the gym if they have any sense.
@@cosmic_gate476 I think it's simple, the bar must travel a certain percentage of the lifter's flat back arm length, maybe 50%. Then they can do what they want as long as there's still a legitimate ROM.
Lol powerlifting turned into such a bad joke with this type of stuff like extremely arched bench presses and very wide sumo deadlifts, and squats are the only ones that remained to be performed with a somehow normal range of motion. Luckily we still have Olympic weightlifting and strongman contests to make strength sports proud and not something to be embarrassed about.
Replace the bench with OHP and we solve this lol.
Mark Rippetoe solved this issue a while ago. All that is required is to have the forearms vertical when the bar touches the chest.
Hallelujah! What I’ve been saying for years too. I wonder how it would look for sumo with shins vertical at start of lift?
@@mazdarx5008 frog sumo
There's actually a couple way in my mind to fix this.
1. Require a certain grip with based on your body type
Or
2. Require your triceps to be parallel to the bench
Expectation: Bench as much as you can.
Reality: See who can arch their back the most and get away with the least ROM.
HOLY SHIT IT'S LITERALLY 1 INCH I'M CRYING 😂😂😂
The fact there are people actually defending this shows how moronic our world is, if you told me this was a staged joke i would believe it. Anyone that lifts knows this is stupid, change the rules if you disagree honestly you don't matter to me.
I really want to matter to you though random individual!
@@Balloonbot i get the joke, i mean don't bother arguing because if you're defending i already know you're not all there.
depth below parallel should be judged just like in squat; lifters would adjust their grip width to hit parallel
Dumb rule
Parallel to what?
@@michaelcorcoran259 i would assume the floor
*perpendicular to floor
🙌🏼🙌🏼 exactly! If squat is judged by crease of the hip below the top of the knee, why is bench not judged by crease of the elbow below the top of the anterior delt?
That's cursed
ey smoke you should try this
This is the type of shit that makes me embarrassed to say I follow powerlifting
@David A She won’t notice u bro.
I really hope they adjust the rules soon we all know it shouldn’t be like this
That’s complete garbage they have to change the arching n benching and practically doing the splits on squats and deadlifts. This really makes power lifting look like a joke similar to cross fit.
That was ridiculous 😂🤣
is that rom good for hypertrophy
Ehm.... no
It's great for hypertrophy... of your orthopedic surgeon's wallet.
An irrelevant question.
Lol she technically benches more than my gym partner can’t wait to roast him
Instead of max grip width, what about a rule where your elbows have to break even with your shoulder blades?
I personally think it should have to break that plain, but either way, this seems to make the most sense.
The way she COULD NOT EVEN RE-RACK THE BAR BY HERSELF 😂🤣🤣😂
This is insulting to anyone who's ever bench pressed 113 kg
I agree that some of the bench presses these days are getting ridiculous, but then again ive seen plenty of sumo deadlifts where the bar barely lifts the ground even though the person is locked out.
Please show us.
To be fair : she's lifting. She looks amazing. And she's focused. To be human : Go somewhere w that trash ROM.
Even me, a stanch defender of arches, think that this, is ridiculous.
Still cool though😀
Simpin
Rules should change so that the forearms are perpendicular to the floor when the bar touches the chest.
Perfect
Bet then they'll just do a narrower grip and still big arch
Bench feels like a joke all around. But impressive of her to game the system.
Bench = crossfit
Bench + Pilates = max bench strength.
Bringing up Crossfit reminds me: they used to have the Crossfit total, which just replaced the bench press for the standing overhead press. Maybe powerlifting should switch too😂
Yeah, the goal is to lift the most weight subject to the given rules. Her technique is bloody efficient for that goal!
The rules for bench are like having a squat depth based on the height of the bar above the ground, which could be impossible for tall lifters and barely a quarter squat for short ones. I propose a rules about arm angle. Like the elbow has to be in line with the shoulder or something.
I don't understand how they can be so strict with hitting parallel depth on a squat and then see this thinking its ok
This video has been out for 2 years now...HAVE RULES BEEN IMPROVED OR LEGITIMIZED YET?
Pitiful. A "powerlifter" with no power. Regular girls in my gym squat and deadlift the same or even more! Morbid form.
I feel like a definition of bench could be that the bend of the arm must be below the surface of the bench or something like that. That would give the lifter a few choices to adjust either grip width or how big the arch can be.
forearms must be perpendicular to the ceiling. that's my idea
In Spanish we just have a funny name for that : press "gamba", meaning, shrimp press.
If people think that this is fair or strength because it’s allowed in the rules, keep that same energy when CrossFitters do “pull-ups” or multiply lifters “squat”
You clearly don't grasp the difference between exercise and competition.
It's not about strength, it's about flexibility LOL
props to this girl, I believe she will be the one to finally bring about change in the rules
Bench should be judged to the same standard as squat. The crease of the elbow should have to go below the top of the anterior delt. This would solve the problem of both extreme arch and grip width at the same time.
I don’t consider high squats or low rom benches to be world records and neither should the record holders
That's just ridiculous and stupid but to be honest if I would lift in a competition, I would do the same if the rules allowed because others do it too.
Fair play to her if it’s legal, but if it is, it makes a mockery of the sport. If I was in charge of powerlifting rules I’d start from the ground up with it.
Rules need to be changed!!! I got screwed over the same way in a tournament. I'm a dude and so was he, really short, and arms to match. He took first in 3 weight classes. Like her moved the bar one inch and they called it a lift. BULLSHIT!