Take a close look at 9 second mark where she’s peeking out from the tree. Does this not resemble when she surprises cloud in the remake when he tries to leave her on his way back to sector 7? Then in the remake, he sees her walk away - similar to this scene where she leaves at the end. And cloud sheds a tear. I think he saw the future. Aerith leaving him before she died.
He hasn't seen the future. He has seen the past. The original FF7 has already happened in the Remake. The game features time traveling ghosts trying to repeat the same outcomes of the original games.
Claudio Cortes Zack in NOT alive, jesus...the game just indicates that he is alive on ANOTHER timeline, just check the scene again and see that the dog sheet in the beginning of the scene is different than the one shown in the game which proves that
"Then, I'll be going now. I'll come back when it's all over." That was Aerith's last word and a final moment between her and Cloud before she died. I wish Aerith could live longer and be with Cloud forever.
Really hoping in remake that's what happens so bad it's been 20 years. The ending dialog "The promised land, I think I can meet her there". Good god the suffering in spinoffs they've put us through. He's "sought" to meet her again in like Finale Fantasy Tactics. I want my childhood ship to finally have a happy ending.
@@rinoaheartilly4769 In hindsight, I think that's what she was referring to. She knew she probably wouldn't survive this...maybe she knew her future, or maybe she simply knew Sephiroth would try to do everything in his power to stop her. but this dream always seemed like a 'goodbye' to me.
So...like...nobody caught on that FFVII's theme is 'life'? Nobody noticed how Aerith's eyes were shown opening again at the end of FFVII? Or how she's still hanging around interacting with those of the living in Advent Children two years later? Or how she and Cloud are still able to take a hold of one another's hands? Or how Cloud is still able to see her? Or that even Tifa acknowledged her existence in Advent Children? Why would people say that they're still waiting for her to come back? I'm kind of amazed that so many people missed such an important point of FFVII. The theme is 'life' and both Aerith herself as well as her death/continued existence symbolizes it in so many ways. "I'll come back when it's all over" is a very symbolic line in terms of the idea that people are still with us even after they die. Nomura pointed that out in an interview during the making of Advent Children. Come on, people...in the end, Aerith did come back. Even the creator of "Wreck It Ralph" got this and used it as a message in an easter egg in the form of wall graffiti for their film: "Aerith lives" houseofgeekery.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/wreck-it-ralph-graffiti.jpg
My boyfriend died when I was only 19. After his funeral I had a dream where we spoke and he was telling me how he wasn't really dead and I remember waking up thinking it was all so crazy that I thought he had died until I came around and realized it was just a dream. That scene always reminds me of that.
Thank you for the kind comments guys- life does go on- it did happen 13 years ago. But you never forget those things or the grief tied to them, it becomes part of you that you accept and respect
This scene really makes me wonder if Cloud was having a prophetic vision of sorts or if Aeris really was somehow directly communicating with him while he was dreaming. My bet's on the latter. It really is a poignant and effective way for her to deliver her last lines of dialogue.
Chris J I agreed, especially considering that aerith knows that she should return to the planet after cast the holy to make sure that the meteor cannot destroy the world. Then she would wish say to cloud her goodbyes before to go.
She was directly communicating with him through his dream. First, everything that happened in this "dream" was true. Second, In AC she told him she never blamed him, all that matters is that he came (to the forgotten city). Meaning she took into account the fact that she already gave him her location through this "dream".
@@josecuestas7246 Yes, I totally agree. In that sense, she did "come back when it's all over" in order to save the planet through the Lifestream along with Holy.
@@kingorigin4805 That's a good point! I didn't even think of it like that, but you're right. It just gives more proof that this wasn't just some coincidental dream but that Aeris was directly speaking to him.
Seemed more like it was the only thing the writers could think of to 1) Tell the player/characters what to do next (i.e. go to the Forgotten Capital) and 2) Give some indication why Aeris left the party and at least one more moment before her fateful scene.
(1:23) This is the scene that Cloud has a vision of the start of Chapter 9 in Remake. (The scene when he unexpectedly sheds a tear upon seeing Aerith walking away before sector 6 section)
So much deep stuff here. Cait Sith dies, Cloud give Sephiroth the black materia, Cloud beats Aeris, Cloud dreams of Aeris and him in a forest together. Sephiroth taunts Cloud. And even the biggest emotional climax is soon to happen. Incredible scripting.
Yes you are right, but in the remake it's also maybe the orginal timelines's Aerith ! I think there are many timelines, because we have seen a scene where Zack still alive, but this is no make sense for Cloud's story. (Sorry for my bad english...)
@@Strigon1000 There are multiple timelines in the Remake. The three ones we know of are the original one, the remake one and the Zack lives one. How they will all play out we have to wait and see.
I really don't want that . I love Clerith . But Clerith, it's a sad love . I have always considered very beautiful moments of Clerith, how he suffers from her death, how he misses her, how he wants to meet her . I hope that everything will happen again . And finally, then the death of Zack, due to which Crisis core became popular (Although in fact the plot there is complete nonsense), will remain in the background . The death of Aerith will definitely go down in one of the saddest and most famous moments in the history of video games .
I like to thinks that we actually saved Aerith's life when we defeated the Whispers in the remake, as we defied the fate itself, allowing us get a chance to prevent her destined death.
i do think we can tho. now you can see Zack is still alive in the intergrade and intermission, he's defeating the whispers himself make me think we can save her.
i'm constantly in the middle of wanting her to be saved so that they could be together and having her die so that the sad love story prevails like the og game (bcs tbh i love sad love stories). its just that if she dies i hope that cloud wont look for another love interest and that he kind of gets a dream/vision of what his future with her could've been if she had still been alive.
same. i literally think their love is a one that transcends time and space because him crying just from the feelings he got from being vaguely reminded of this scene in the remake.. is so powerful to me. this moment was so sorrowful for him a cloud with no memory of it and who wasn’t fully in love with aerith cried at the hint of feeling what he felt in this scene . i love these two
This is exactly how I feel. I am one for tragic stories, and Cloud and Aeriths story is one that really touches my heart. Yet, somewhere in me wants to know about the “what if?”.
1:20 - 1:40 I wonder if Cloud saw this moment in the visions that he had in the beginning of the chapter 9 "The Town That Never Sleeps" in the remake? As he had this visions inmediately when he watched Aerith walking forward and away from him.
Well, as long as it's "for you", that's fine, as long as you acknowledge that Cloud canonically loves Tifa then your own fan-fiction can be as inaccurate as you want.
@@DutchDread _Cloud canonically loves Tifa_ False, canonically it is ambiguous. Now, obviously, the intention of the original script is that Cloud was interested in Aeris, but she dies. He even says to Tifa at the very end "I think I can meet her." Aeris is by default the character with more affinity points to Cloud, that is why she is the most probable date if you don't work with these points. Also, Yoshitaka Amano's original artwork for the game pictures Cloud with Aeris.
@@prime_time_youtube Oh god, how many times do I have to disprove these nothing burgers of arguments, I am sorry, but you are simply wrong. There is not a single locally sound argument in favor of Aerith in this debate, it's pathetic. I am not going to type out again what I've typed out a hundred times already. I'll just copy paste another comment I've made on this. with the remake coming out I’ve been getting more and more anxious about FFVII, I’ve been playing the game, watching playthroughs, and getting back into that age old ritual, shipping wars. However I noticed that all conversations and videos on the topic were basically the same, either trying to compare Clouds behavior or else try to one up each other with statements by developers. None of them seemed to take the viewpoint of a storyteller and how the game uses certain narrative techniques and why.
Most prominently no person I’ve seen talking about this took the time to separate the"Narrative", "Plot", and "Story" of the game, nor analyze how internal and external conflicts work together to create the plot, so in light of the imminent release of the remake I thought I'd give my perspective as someone who studied game design and Narratology as his Bachelor, and is now doing a master in the same field. Now I am going to be upfront about this, this analysis of FFVII will end with the conclusion that not only is Tifa Lockheart the main female love interest in the plot, but I will argue that the much talked about “love triangle” of FFVII isn’t actually a part of the plot, if that concept seems ludicrous enough for you to refuse to listen to anything else I have to say then by all means, turn off the video. But if you have an open mind I think I can explain why the love triangle IS a part of the Narrative. Although this will probably be a long video with a crappy microphone, no video editing experience and a horrendous Dutch accent I never-the-less still hope someone will find it interesting, and I hope it will help me better my own understanding as well since I admit these are difficult concepts to really grasp. I just wanted to document my thoughts on this somewhere before the remake comes out and changes everything. People often seem to miss a lot of these themes and subtleties, which is a shame because FFVII plays with these things especially well. They will often talk about what the game is "about" and then when someone else has a different answer they think the other is wrong. The truth is that often one person is simply describing the Narrative, while the other is describing the plot, or one is describing the driving inner conflict, while the other is describing the main external conflict. People only see one aspect and miss a big part of the game because of it, which I find to be a shame. First off, Story, Plot, and Narrative. People often use these interchangeably, and even I am guilty of getting the actual words mixed up at time, but they are all quite distinct concepts, especially in in stories with twists, hidden motivations, and unreliable narrators such as FFVII. In fact, it is the way that FFVII seamlessly combined the three and plays with the audience expectation that I argue is the reason for its success. So what are they? Story: Story is the set of events and facts that make up the events of the game. It is the factual nature of what happens, told chronologically, and in order For instance "Cloud lives in Nibelheim, Cloud has a neighbor called Tifa. Tifa gets injured, Cloud leaves Nibelheim, Cloud tries to join Soldier". This is the beginning of the STORY of Cloud in FFVII. Story shows us what factually happened. Nothing more, nothing less. (cont 1)
(cont 2) Plot: Plot is the thread that runs through the different story points and ties them together, it explains storypoints and how they are related. While story explains that "what" of evens, the plot explains the "why". This is from an in universe perspective, understanding the plot means you understand how the events taking place are experienced by the characters and what the place of these evens is in their personal character arcs. The (condensed) start of the PLOT of Cloud is that "A boy has a crush on the girl next door, after said girl gets injured the boy the boy blames himself for his weakness and leaves town in order to get stronger in the hopes of getting the girl to notice him". Note how this shows the causal chain and motivation that explain the different events. Note also how I didn’t mention the characters names in this description, the reason for that is that the characters names aren’t actually important to the plot, Cloud could be called by any name and the plot wouldn’t change, although the story would. Narrative: Last up is the narrative, and this is what people have the most difficulties separating. The narrative is how the story and plot are being presented to the viewer in order to guide their beliefs and understanding of the story. It is the lens through which the plot is revealed to us. Narrative is tricky because writers play with it in order to play with the viewers emotions, to misdirect them, or generally direct the viewers experience. It is the way the creators cause a subjective experience in the viewer, disconnected from the objective facts of the story. This is especially important in stories with twists, like FFVII because there the narrative is intentionally misleading. For instance, the start of the narrative of FFVII concerning Cloud is that: Cloud is a SOLDIER 1st class who is hired by Avalanche to blow up a Mako reactor. We all know that is objectively false, Cloud is NOT a SOLDIER 1st class. When a script has a twist or mystery, like the Mystery of Nibleheim and the twist of Clouds past, then the designers use the narration to attempt to deceive the viewer into think the plot of the story is one thing, when in actuality it is another. When the narration we are shown shows inconsistencies with the story facts we are discovering this creates a sense of mystery and unease as we start to doubt our own interpretation. Then when the twist happens the fog of the unreliable narrator is lifted and we can see the plot in its totality. This allows us to re-contextualize and place everything that came before it in a new light. For instance, when we discover that Tifa knows Cloud didn't come to Nibleheim all of the strange behavior starts making sense. Actions that were previously thought to indicate one thing can now potentially indicate the exact opposite. FFVII does this several times using the Niblelheim incident, it is the central story telling technique of FFVII, which is a classic example of the unreliable Narrator. It effectively has three stages. 1: is the build up, where our assumed trust in the narrator (Cloud) establishes our views on the events taking place. This is embodied by the first telling of the Nibleheim story. Our understanding of what happened in Nibleheim sets the stage for who we believe Cloud to be. The second stage is doubt, in this part we, the viewer, start to doubt the Narrator and we are forced to reconsider the validity of what we believe and have been shown. This phase is slowly built up through Clouds erratic actions, and culminates in the second visit to Nibleheim, in Sephiroths illusion. The third stage is the reveal, where we obtain the crucial piece of the puzzle that allows us to re-contextualize and understand everything that came before it, this is the Third visit to Nibleheim, where Clouds feelings for Tifa are established to be the key puzzle piece that drove the plot of FFVII, and that allows us to finally see the "plot" instead of "the Narrative". It is one of the most shockingly satisfying reveals in narrative media, and one of the reasons why I consider Nibelheim to be one of the greatest narrative devices over conceived and Claerith fans sadly reject it because they don't like the way it re-contextualizes Clouds interactions with Aerith and Tifa So next up, internal vs external conflict. This is inspired by someone who said they realized that FFVII isn’t a love story, but a story about saving the planet. This idea confused me because it seems obvious that the one does not preclude the other, and FFVII is particularly fond of seemingly changing what the story is about halfway through the story. Examples of this is how the player first believes that the story revolves around taking down Shinra, but then changes focus towards Sephiroth. To many people the death of Aerith is seemingly also one such change, where the story changes from a love story with Aerith, to either a love story with Tifa, or a revenge story. Others believe that this indicates that the entire game has nothing to do with love in general. In reality the plot of FFVII is extremely cohesive; it’s not the plot that changes, it’s that the games NARRATION suddenly shows a part of the plot that was at first unseen. And when said narrative seemingly shows a plotline ending in a way we did not expect. Closer inspection usually reveals that this is because the narration itself turned out to be misleading. Usually when attempting to write stories that engage with humans there are not only multiple stories and character arcs for the different characters, but also a separate internal and external conflict. First the characters need to resolve their inner conflict, which then grants them some secret or strength that allows them to resolve the external one, this is the internal character arc, the heros journey. It is the ways the characters must change in order to achieve victory. A story that has only external conflict is generally bland and devoid of humanity. Neither of the two is the "true conflict", and it's only by understanding how the two relate that you get to understand the full picture of the game. Again, this is done EXTREMELY well in FFVII where Cloud has a whole host of issues that need to be resolved before the final showdown with Sephiroth can take place. The brilliance of FFVII is the juxtapostion of this grand external world ending conflict with the simple human story of a boy who felt he needed to become stronger in order for a girl to notice him. There are lots of debates about who is the Heroine of FFVII, and this is the answer, Aerith has the role of Heroine in the external conflict, the one tasked with saving the planet. Tifa meanwhile has the role of Heroine in the internal conflict, the one tasked with saving Clouds soul. (cont 2)
(cont 3) So how does all this tie into the love triangle and shipping wars? Well, I've spend A LOT of time thinking about this and going over the evidence, and the more I think about it, the more I drift towards the idea that there isn't an actual love triangle within the plot of FFVII. I think there might be one in the plot of FFVII: remake, because Square-enix is trying to milk the shipping war for all its worth, and I am not sure they themselves fully understand the plot they created. It might sound arrogant to say I know FFVII better than the people making the remake, but let’s not pretend as if creators not understanding what made their original works so great is a rare thing, the world is abound with poor sequels and adaptations. Anyway, because of all this I felt compelled to make this video before the remake comes out and people will use it to claim god knows what. I will just preemptively state here that if anything I said clashes with things done in the remake, then that’s not most likely not an error on my part, but a retcon on the part of the remake. When I really analyze the role of Aerith both to the plot of the game, from an out of universe perspective as set out by the creators of FFVII, and to the plot of Clouds love life, as experienced by Cloud in universe. I cannot see any evidence for an actual love triangle existing. Now don't get me wrong, when we are playing the game, we, the players, are definitely experiencing a love triangle, however, it's my contention that this love triangle ONLY exists within the Narrative of FFVII, NOT within the plot. We, the players, experience Aerith as a love interest because that's what we are used to, we know the tropes, we see Cloud interacting with her in a pleasant manner, the first 1/3rd of the story seems very focused on them, which we, through our experience with media, take to mean that this is a love story. This is the narrative as set down by FFVII, that this is the story of a soldier with two possible love interests. However, I'd argue that all that is a part of the misdirection set out by the plot, in fact, I'd say the the final Nibelheim scene basically shouts that from the rooftops. It literally IS the twist, and I find it difficult to understand why people miss it. I think the problem is that by the by time we get there they are too set in their ways, they don't want to re-evaluate the scenes that have already happened in light of new discoveries from the point of view of the plot. This is especially true if they’ve already made emotional attachments to a certain interpretation of the plot. After all, if you’ve just spent 10 hours of your life watching a tragic love story that ends in the death of one girl, who on earth would want to be told that the guy didn’t actually care about her? You’d get EXTREMELLY defensive, and I’ve seen some defensive people when it comes to Cloud and Aeriths supposed love story. However, that doesn’t change the fact that most arguments made for Aerith and Cloud either turn out only to apply to the Narrative of the game. Or completely misrepresent Clouds internal struggle. This is something that really affects me because the story of FFVII is beautiful, complex, and thoroughly thought out. And by refusing to take a hard look at what the plot tells us about the characters, I feel we are doing it a disservice. In fact, how are we able to call ourselves fans of a story if we are unwilling to accept the story for what it is? We wouldn’t be fans if that were the case, we’d be critics, haters even, what we would be a fan off is our own final fantasy VII fan fiction. So, having said all that. What do I mean when I say that most arguments for Aerith as a love interest only apply to the narrative, not the plot? Well let’s take an example, juxtaposing what we experience as players through the narrative vs what actually happens from an objective story perspective, devoid of narrative or interpretation. Lets start with the elephant in the room, the "date". The argument usually goes that Aerith's number of affection points proves that Cloud inherently prefers her and that there is a romantic connection there. There are 2 possible main dates, ergo a love triangle, and one has more inherent affection points, therefore, main love interest right? This argument comes from the narrative, and what we expect from games, this is what we, the viewer, experience. We experience Cloud interacting with Aerith, and potentially going on a date with her. But when we break down the date and actually look at it from different angles, we see it's not so simple. First of all, from a purely mechanical perspective. 1: There is the fact that Tifa is more shy/reserved and therefore less likely to barge in for a date character wise. Just assuming that the default affection points are different because of an actual difference in affection, and NOT there to reflect that increase in difficulty is a meta-argument that doesn't actually transfer logically to emotions felt by the characters in the universe. From a game design perspective, there is no difference between starting with a lower number, or requiring a higher number, you'd always use the first, because its easier to code. You COULD make both girls start with 50 affection and then say Tifa gets the date if she beats Aeriths affection score by 20....but making her start with 30 has the same effect and requires less code, so you can't make a deduction about their actual feelings based on it. The most you could say is that the designers of the game wanted to nudge you in the direction of going on a date with Aerith. However, when making that argument, you are once again arguing that the NARRATIVE the designers want you to experience is that there is a love triangle, just like the Narration wanted you to experience that you were a SOLDIER 1st class, it doesn’t logically translate to any feelings the characters themselves might have within the plot, especially since we KNOW the narrative of FFVII is trying to trick us. (cont3)
The last conversation they had. And it was just in a vision projected to cloud from aerith. It’s crazy to think that the last time they saw each other was when he was actively beating the shit out of her under sephiroth’s influence. That was the last moment they shared together. This game was so brutal in some moments. Makes me wonder how the remake is going to handle these scenes.
that knowledge is what truly makes her death a tragedy (everyone forgets this detail). it’s also very key to why cloud desperately seeks her forgiveness in AC. Because the second to last time he saw her, he brutally beat her. Then the last time he saw her, she was killed right in front of him
@@ZeldaFan0o0He never really needed her forgiveness. "I never blamed you. Not once. You came for me. That's all that matters." That's such an important line that Cloud really needed to hear. Aerith is too pure for this world.
The Stars are rewritten, The tragic love story of Earth and Sky Aerith and Cloud) will be rewritten, the star crossed lover might continue the chapter of there love story, NOW THAT THE DESTINY IS DEFIED. (Clerith might happened)
@@nataliealtemose5277 Aerith has said it in CC, OG, and Remake that she has moved on from Zack. Like OG Cloud, Aerith is always with her (though more literally than figuratively thanks to the Lifestream). So, Zack is always in her heart, but she has moved forward.
FF7 REMAKE: CLOUD, You cant just...run off like that - Aerith/Rooftop FF7 OG: Aerith runs off alone. Girl :'( And btw, when Aerith said, "...I'll come back when its all over.." She meant it...Remake. We waited so many years for her to come back.
Since the entire point of letting Aerith die was to present kids with a death that was PERMANENT, don't hold your breath, also, Cloud canonically loves Tifa and wasn't even aware that Aerith had a cruch on his fake personality so double ain't gonna happen.
DutchDread if you actually played the game she grew to love him for who he was as the game progress. And plus NONE of the ffvii “couples” are canon so chill your tits
Wuau! such an emotional scene, i think finally aerith met the real Cloud instead of the Zack clone and she wanted to say goodbye. Sadly i think she fell in love with the real Cloud but she knew her destinity.
Nope, she died before ever meeting the real Cloud, canonically she had no idea who the real Cloud was even 1 day before she left, and when she tried to imagine his characteristics while in the life stream, it's stated that it awoke "him", referring to Zack. So even the things she saw in him where actually Zack.
@@DutchDread Another delusional statement. Let's see what the real Cloud think of Aerith before she died. Cloud : "When we were riding on the gondola I'm sure Aerith was aware the real me, Whom I looked away from." Official reference : ua-cam.com/video/t0FUhtlseGc/v-deo.html
@@leahjanulgue7200 *_Aerith cried as she thought about the shattered Cloud that even her prayers wouldn’t reach. His wrecked character could no longer be fixed. If he wasn’t Cloud in the first place then, who was he? Knowing him only as a former member of Soldier, there was no way she could guess. She embraced the feeling of helplessness that she couldn’t put into words_* - Maiden of the Planet. *_“I felt something odd about him but, was everything really just made up and part of his false character? Cloud wasn’t real at all? …No, that can’t be true. There were things that only Cloud could think of. Things that he done because he was Cloud. He was never an empty vessel to begin with!”_* *_But she couldn’t figure out the truth. Her thoughts just went in circles. Aerith delved into her memories again. Memories that showed Cloud’s individuality. The way he walked. She remembered all his actions one by one…Most of those thoughts merged into the Sea of Mako and awakened a character. The character recognized the image she recalled and “he” woke up.-_* Maiden of the Planet. ("he" here refering to Zack) Cute try love. try again though. Btw, notice how ONCE AGAIN, you people have to resort to vague lines that literally mean nothing, in vague spin-off games, while we have actual direct quotes and evidence? I mean, I am not even sure why I bothered refuting this when it literally would be meaningless even if it were true.....Everytime you people speak you make your ship seem more pathetic through the weakness of your evidence.
@@DutchDread hey, you're everywhere in these tribute to Cloud and Aerith's relationship videos.... why do you keep commenting on Aerith and Cloud's relationship when you don't like them...? Won't it make you happier to watch Cloti/Zerith's videos? Did you play the remake?
@@EternalxSnow I just finished 100% ing the remake actually, about 5 minutes ago. That having been said, your problem is that you think these are Aerith/Cloud videos, I was looking at this video specifically because I was looking for footage about Cloud and Tifa. This scene mirrors another scene with Tifa, where Cloud is running away. Aerith and Tifa are always mirrored, In this case, both have to choose between Cloud and saving the planet, this scene is Aerith choosing to go save the planet instead of Cloud, which leads to her resolving the external conflict, and being reunited with her love interest, Zack. Tifa, in the hospital, has to choose between staying with Cloud and going off to save the planet, and she chooses to stay with Cloud, this leads to her resolving the inner conflict of the story and being reunited with her love interest, the real Cloud. This scene is a Cloud/Tifa, and Zack/Aerith scene, NOT Aerith/Cloud, so I'll ask you the same thing, why are you saying these things on a Cloud/Tifa video? Wouldn't you be happier looking at Cloud/Aerith videos?
DutchDread I see you everywhere lol how about you respect people’s ship, judging by all your comments you don’t like Aerith at all. And yet you’re here watching a video of her talking to cloud.
@@nixievang I really like the character actually, I'd say she's probably my fourth or fifth favorite character in the FFVII universe, and I even ship her with Zack (my favorite), maybe stop pretending you know me, what I don't like it the Aerith shippers, because they're trying to ruin an amazing game, and based on the FFVII remake and the absolute fucking absurdity that it that ending, they might have actually succeeded in killing FFVII, so congrats, you may have killed one of the best games of all time because of your poor grasp of story telling.
DutchDread If you think can go around telling people their ships are hopeless then guess what you’re gonna get a response. So CONGRATS to you for ruining their view of the game. Know that NONE of the couples in ffvii are canon so all sorts of ships can happen not just one.
If I were in charge of the remake, romancing Aerith would unlock a Pixar montage where Clarith walks away from the adventure and lives a full life with kids and grandkids. It would end with Aerith doing this scene as an old lady. I'm kind of a sick fuck.
She was throwing out major deathflags. The part I think about the most is, how the hell did she get from the temple of the ancients to the city of the ancients without the lil bronco?
J Hare maybe it can be counted like a plothole in the game to remember that the game was rushed and several points aren't explained. Even if you keep "alive" aerith through of gameshark or yuffie glitch, she have exclusive dialogues in some parts post her death.
Well, they in the beginning considering that aerith could be revived in a later point of the game, but they chose keep her dead in the end to think that her death was vital to the story and revive her could spoil it.
Did she know she was going to her death? Sometimes I think yes, sometimes I think no. I think holy required a sacrifice just like meteor did - a sacrifice of life, to ensure the caster was serious and was prepared to pay the price. But then, sometimes, maybe she thought it was hard work but had an end that was not death. It's a fascinating game.
I think near the end of the game before the final battle, Tifa expresses that Aerith was always talking about the future, things that wanted to do and so on, for her Aerith didn't know that she was going to die. I don't know at what point in her journey to the forgotten city she entered Clouds dream, my guess is that it was before arriving. Then once shes there, she learns about what is necessary.
@@DutchDread I wouldn't have made one iota if Aerith lived or died. Sephiroth would have still been able to summon meteor to absorb the life stream. In the FF7 remake Red 13 said in a way all humans would die except the animals and other life forms in the end if Cloud and the others were to fail. In the OG story of FF7 all the humans died when holy was summoned. That is the true story and real ending. Just a theory man but what if Aerith in the remake is a time traveler that went back to the past after she came back from the life stream in the original timeline to save the human race from meteor and help Cloud defeat sephiroth? I doubt Aerith would need to die to fulfill anything. It would be more beneficial if she lived that way the human race would have a chance. The maker of the game said that Aerith wasn't supposed to die in the first place in the original. So if people are all pissed that Aerith may have a chance at living can go cry a river until they soak up their pants. Things change over time and people need to accept it!
@Jess All the cry baby Tifa fans would have a ballistic melt down if Aerith lived. Some dorks would probably end up killing themselves because they couldn't get Cloud with Tifa or some demented retard shit they been on about since the remake dropped. Tifa may die in the remake timeline. It is only a speculation or possibility but watch people have a pissy fit if ol Tifa big tits with fist died on them. I can't wait to see the fallout. I will laugh my ass off at these triggered people. Hell I will flood twitter with memes of fools crying over Tifa.🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@@B-MoreCity Ok, so you don't understand story telling, Yes it would matter because the theme of death and it's irreversibility is one of the driving themes of FFVII, I don't know where you got this nonsense about Aerith not being supposed to die, but you have it backwards. The fact that she had to die was the point of her character, hell, it's even why Tifa was created, because Aerith had to die. Letting her live spits in the face of everything FFVII tried to teach, whether or not its possible within the plot itself doesn't matter because the plot isn't the most important thing, the plot is superficial. What matters is that it spits in the face of Clouds story arc (accepting the past, failure, moving on, etc), Aeriths character, and the themes the game tried instilling. Maybe you mean she wasn't "Originally" supposed to die, and yeah, things change when you make a game, she was originally Sephiroths sister, and even his lover for a while. But by the time the game came out, her death, and especially its permanence, had become vital.
(few spoilers ahead ) 1 : she says she's being led by something. is it the planet ? Or a call from the other Cetras ? 2 : Sephiroth reacting to this dream like he learned something using cloud's mind and eyes...Did Aerith died because of Cloud ? (well aerith too since she made the dream) now i just feel horrible because it's kind of our fault if she died... (plus that we beat the shit out of her during the end of the ancient temple scene...) damn she just can't take a break.
unfortunately, she had to die. it was in the cards from the beginning in order to save the planet. aeris knew this. hence her juxtaposition between excitement for life and melancholy. I don't think she knew the exact moment, but she knew her days were numbered. I think she knew that holy wasn't enough. foreshadowing: "I have a materia. it does absolutely nothing". she was "joking", but in actuality,, I think part of her knew that holy wasn't enough to do the trick. before leaving midgar, she says she needs answers to "many things". the planet speaks to her, but it is difficult for her to understand perfectly. she is led more by emotion and less by logic - she follows the direction the planet pulls her. It was necessary for her to become part of the lifestream in order to help manipulate it. however, I still will die on the "everyone dies in the end, humanity sacrificed itself" hill. I prefer that ending. the party fought tooth and nail not for themselves, but for the planet. bugenhagen states, "holy will destroy any threat to the planet. meteor, or maybe even ourselves..." that wasn't thrown in there for no reason. I think the planet could gradually recover after meteor, even if its inhabitants could not. in the end, holy shoots out across the skies, blinding everyone. holy ensured that this kind of heinousness would never occur again.
@@nataliealtemose5277 i agree with everything u said here very well said , except one thing. i don’t really think aerith had intentions to die . tifa said “ aerith used to talk about the future more than anyone” i think what makes this scene one of my favorite is because just before it, cloud seriously broke down to the point he really harmed aerith badly . it’s because of this experience she really wanted more than anything to protect him , protect him from encountering sephiroth and being mentally controlled and broken again. her bravery to set off on her own to try and stop sephiroth to protect cloud from having to face him again is what makes her leave and try to stop sephiroth on her own. “ and cloud you take care of yourself. so you don’t have another breakdown, okay?”
While it's beautifully made, this scene isn't beautiful on it's own, it's a fucking anxiety attack. It's like in Mother 3, when the pigeon brings the letter from Hinawa that she'll be home soon, which arrives RIGHT after a forest fire....
I always like how Tifa and Aerith are both put in the position of choosing between Cloud and saving the planet. Aerith has this scene where she's going somewhere Cloud can't follow. Tifa, after Cloud gives the black materia to Sephiroth, has a scene where he is running in the dark and Tifa can't follow. The two moments are brilliantly thematically linked, and they both show the womens respective places within the plot. Aerith ends up choosing to go save the planet, and leave the fate of Cloud to other people. Tifa ends up choosing to stay with Cloud, and leaves the fate of the world to other people. This leads to Aerith saving the world, cementing her place as the heroine of the external conflict of FFVII. And this leads to Tifa saving Clouds soul, cementing her place as the heroine of the internal conflict of FFVII. Aerith may not have ended up being a genuine love interest, but damn was she a good character.
Nomura said so himself that Cloud love interest depends on our perceptive on the game and he won't confirm either sides. Please stop this, Just because you have a different perspective on the game doesn't mean the other person is wrong and doesn't understand anything. That's just childish way of thinking. "Oh he thinks differently than me, he's so stupid, he ruined a good game" seriously this is so dumb. You seriously need to stop, Cloti and Clerith is either both canon or neither is. It depends on us, why are some Clotis just so damn rabid, I don't usually do ship wars but youre one of those obsessive delusional type that only looks at one side and always thinks he's right. Just as Nomura said Tetsuya Nomura: "I'd say, [who Cloud likes] is all how you perceive the game. Cloud, as you know, is a very popular character, so I don't want to confirm the answer either way. Since the players have affection towards him, I want to leave it up to the players to decide who Cloud likes." And we're the one who doesn't understand the narratives? It's up to us, give it a rest, we let you enjoy Cloti and You let us enjoy Clerith, both are canon. Jesus this is just ridiculous.
@@lethalg391 Dude, you people can keep spewing bullshit I've long since disproven (in this very thread), but I am not gonna waste my time repeating myself over and over, if you want to know why you're wrong, just reread the stuff I've already said. I'll respond to the people making interesting and new comments, or those who seem especially genuine about actually wanting a friendly discussion, but I am not gonna waste my time on poorly written, poorly informed, rants.
AND THIS IS THE NARRATIVE OF FF7 SAID BY NOMURA HIMSELF I copied from EzBread in another of your comment While designing Final Fantasy VII, Nomura was frustrated with the "perennial cliché where the protagonist loves someone very much and so has to sacrifice himself and die in a dramatic fashion to express that love." He found this trope appeared in both films and video games from North America and Japan, and asked "Is it right to set such an example to people?"Kitase concluded: "In the real world things are very different. You just need to look around you. Nobody wants to die that way. People die of disease and accident. Death comes suddenly and there is no notion of good or bad. It leaves, not a dramatic feeling but great emptiness. When you lose someone you loved very much you feel this big empty space and think, 'If I had known this was coming I would have done things differently.' These are the feelings I wanted to arouse in the players with Aerith's death relatively early in the game. From this, you already can get what they are trying to do, making love tragic from the start, losing the very person that you love out of the blue, and what it felt. it's what makes FF 7 different then other games. You can clearly see their intention of Cloud's tragic story. So if you understand what the devs were trying to do you'll get this conclusion: Cloud loves Aerith very much and when he loses her out of the blue it truly broke him as we saw in AC That's why Nomura said "Love that can't ever be" or "Impossible Love" It is not saying that they don't/can't love each other, it's saying that Their love is seperated from life and death but even then they will always love for each other. That is what makes FF7 such a beautiful yet tragic love story and that is what the devs are trying to do in the first place.
@@DutchDread I don't mind you proving your point about Cloti, it's just that You're delusional to the level that you think you're right and we're all wrong and "ruining the game" while the devs isn't even supporting your claims. Friendly comments?? You're the last person I want to hear that from, you literally went to every comment you deem different from your perspective and calling them not understanding the game and wrong and all. Hypocrisy at it's finest You just want to listen to what you want and ignore facts and logics. You disapproved nothing. Nomura literally said this Tetsuya Nomura: "I'd say, [who Cloud likes] is all how you perceive the game. Cloud, as you know, is a very popular character, so I don't want to confirm the answer either way. Since the players have affection towards him, I want to leave it up to the players to decide who Cloud likes." And you want to disapprove it?? Ok you're basically making a new game now
Just give it a rest. Both are officially canon and differs from our perspective of the game, let us enjoy our ships and we'll let you enjoy yours in peace. Stop being so toxic and going to each Clerith post and telling us we don't understand the game. While the devs themselves said they want us to Choose the love interest based on our perspective of the game.
People talking about ff7 remake or advent children or anything the did to drain more money from fans disgust me. This is the one and only FF7. This is the first game i played alone when i was 11, it was a new experience and during school i couldn't focus for the first time in my life only thinking about it. It was a masterpiece and i used to stop the game at this scene and enjoy the music in this forest with aerith, it had something mystical. Still has to me, weird
@@alster724...the ending was not a reprise of the opening scene. Take a look at the intro vs the ending again. In the intro, the screen pans onto Aerith's face where you see an Aerith whose eyes were already open. The ending scene of her face is significant because when the screen pans in on it, her eyes are shown closed at first then finally opening up. It's a nod to FFVII's theme 'life'. The creators were clear in saying that they had to kill her in order to portray the theme. According to Wreck it Ralph: "Aerith lives". That's a rather important message the game itself was trying to show, and you see that also in Advent Children in which a dead Aerith is still interacting with the world of the living and Cloud even years after she already died. She and Cloud are even able to successfully reach for each other's hands again. Nomura clarifies that regarding the theme of 'life', the message is that people are still with us even after they've passed on since their memories/consciousness continue to exist.
@@stavcy love as a friend nothing more, everyone of them love her not only cloud, only fool can't see what the differences of between love as a friend and love as s lover😂
I am just gonna say it, Clerith shippers don't understand Cloud, don't understand FFVII, and are therefore, not real fans. Loving something requires that you see it for what it is, otherwise you don't love the thing, but your perception of the thing. You guys can't actually love FFVII, because you don't accept it for what it is, just like Aerith doesn't love Cloud, because she doesn't know who Cloud is. What you love is your FFVII Clerith fan-fiction. Saying you love someone when you've never met them, had a conversation with them, etc, isn't love, it's shallow, it's sad, it's not genuine. Sorry.
She does know him though. She knows him better than he knows himself. So that argument is stupid. I'm sure you're not stupid, but Aerith was presented as this sort of otherworldly person. She obviously knew Cloud was not himself. She sensed that out. You can be in love with that- it doesn't matter if YOU think she couldn't. Sorry.
@@viccrang I am sorry, but you are simply wrong, yeah, she could tell there was something off with him, everyone with eyes could. That doesn't mean she knew him, that's you reading into things. If you don't believe me, it's outright stated. We have documentation concerning Aeriths thoughts both during her time with Cloud, and her time in the lifestream. And it's pretty clear on the fact that Aerith doesn't know what's going on and is confused. Hell, when she tries to conjure up an image of Cloud in the lifestream by imagining his habits, the way he moved etc (the things she thought were CLOUD), she instead awoke Zack. This is all outside content of course, but even in the game Aerith never shows any indication that she knows who Cloud really is, she just notices there is something weird. She knew Cloud was not himself, yes, but she didn't know who the real Cloud was, that's why she wanted to meet him. She wanted to find out who he really was. Ergo, she DIDN'T know who she really was. ERGO, the feelings she had for fake Cloud are not genuine, or at least, they are not genuine for Cloud. If you love a lie, you are not loving the truth.
@@DutchDread "Aerith was in even greater pain when she thought about Cloud. She also had good feelings towards him. At first, she thought he somehow had some similarities to her first love. Even so, his looks, voice and personality weren't similar and he also made her think of him as a mysterious person... But it soon didn't matter. She loved him much more than her first love. Cloud was her hero and he couldn’t get away from danger. She saw him as someone full of confidence, cool and had the impression that he would disappear in an instant if she took her eyes off him. She wanted to stay by his side forever if she could. She really wanted to." - MAIDEN OF THE PLANET, Chapter 1 (official novel of Aerith after her death) "At first when I met Cloud, I believed he was similar to Zack. Little actions, the way he spoke his kindness. But Cloud is Cloud. I, now undoubtedly, love Cloud much more than Zack." - FF7 DISMANTLED Both girls are love interest for Cloud. Both of them love him in their own way.
@@EternalxSnow Yeah, I know Aerith thinks she loves him, fact remains, the person she's loving is still Zacks living legacy. She's still not loving Cloud, her having feelings for Cloud still doesn't mean Cloud loves her, nor does any of it change the fact that she;s obviously lying to herself. From maiden of the planet: "“He gave off a mixed-up impression, but was it all fake; just part of his false personality? … No, that can’t be the case. There were thoughts he couldn’t have had unless he were Cloud. Things he could do because he was Cloud. He wasn’t an empty shell from the beginning!” However, she couldn’t determine the reality. And so, her thoughts just went in circles. Aerith traced her memories again. Memories that showed Cloud’s habits. The way he walked. She went over each of his actions one by one …A consciousness that had already dissolved into the sea of mako awoke. Responding as though summoned by the image she traced with her memory, “he” wakes up" - Maiden of the planet. So what she thinks of as Cloud....is still Zack (that's the "he" referred to here) .
@@DutchDread I do agree, initially Aerith is confused if she knew the real Cloud. But after meeting Zack, she knew she did know Cloud and that she loves him. ("How can I save Cloud? How can I stop Meteor? I didn't think that Holy would be held back. At this rate, the Planet's going to end up the way Sephiroth wants it... What can I do? Tell me, Cloud..." Aerith cried as she thought about the shattered Cloud that even her prayers wouldn't reach. His wrecked character could no longer be fixed. If he wasn't Cloud in the first place then, who was he? Knowing him only as a former member of Soldier, there was no way she could guess. She embraced the feeling of helplessness that she couldn't put into words. "Cloud... I miss you. I miss the real you..." Her whispers and thoughts became expanded into waves and spread out in the Mako. Her memories of being with Cloud came to mind again. Her impression was that even though he wasn't very social, there was some cheerfulness about him. ) ("Man, you know Aerith. Out of all the girls I've gotten along with, you truly are the best. After that mission, we could have stayed the way we were and might have been able to continue to go out with each other after I returned home. I hate Sephiroth. And I hate Shinra who's been hiding all the stuff they've been doing." "Someone who's gotten along with so many girls can never become a lover." "How mean. I'm nice to everyone." "And that's your bad point. You're not simplistic and awkward like Cloud." "Is that what you liked, Aerith?" "Who knows. Things might have changed after five years." "Heh." Zack put on sad face as if he was sulking but then smiled carefree. It was the unchanged smile that Aerith knew from when they were young. When she was seventeen, it was what attracted her to him. "It's not over yet but, I'm going to sleep for a while. It seems there's nothing I can do just now. But whenever you feel lonely, call me Aerith." "Only if I get really lonely. Goodnight, Zack." Giving a wave, the First Rank Soldier sank into the Mako. Believing that his role was not yet over, Zack settled down to sleep to save up his energy. Aerith wasn't going to sleep. Because she was Cetra, she didn't seem tired at all. She was happy. She was happy that she now knew the real Cloud and was able to watch over him, even though it was just for a short while.) I say she loves them both. Loved Zack but had grown to love Cloud for who he is. We can go on, but I think it's okay for you to believe what you think it's true. But perhaps allow other people to form their own opinions on how they see Aerith's and Cloud's relationship too. Did you know Sephiroth was suppose to be Aerith's first love? Zack came in after cause they scrape that idea. That would have been wild. Lol
Please for the lord of god tell me they will put this into the story. I love how Aerith is playing hide and seek. i love Cloud and Aerith so much. they are my favoritr final fantasy couple with real romance. not just some hollywood childhood friend crap.
@@alster724 I don't know. I believe Cloud and Aerith are very popular in Japan, or the marketing seems to suggest it. Tifa fans are just more vocal here. I personally think Tifa is popular here due to the player's own preference for her. :') imo, I've talked to a number of Cloud and Tifa fans who don't seem to really know her actual relationship to Cloud very well. Or maybe it's Cloud in general that is misunderstood lol.
Yeah, real romance, a girl he knew for one week while pretending to be someone else, who died before ever figuring out who he actually was, of whose feelings he was canonically oblivious.....real love, not the girl who initiated and concluded his entire story arc, who is his light, who is described as always being there for him, who he's raising a family with, who even Aerith said was gonna make him a fine wife if you want to go to spinoffs XD Get a grip people.
Take a close look at 9 second mark where she’s peeking out from the tree. Does this not resemble when she surprises cloud in the remake when he tries to leave her on his way back to sector 7? Then in the remake, he sees her walk away - similar to this scene where she leaves at the end. And cloud sheds a tear. I think he saw the future. Aerith leaving him before she died.
Jordan Rector OMG YES
OOF
I think you have something there, bud
the good news is that Aerith wont die in the FF7-Remake, the fate/destiny has been changed now that we found out that Zack is Alive
He hasn't seen the future. He has seen the past. The original FF7 has already happened in the Remake. The game features time traveling ghosts trying to repeat the same outcomes of the original games.
Claudio Cortes Zack in NOT alive, jesus...the game just indicates that he is alive on ANOTHER timeline, just check the scene again and see that the dog sheet in the beginning of the scene is different than the one shown in the game which proves that
Rebirth did this scene justice. The music, the cinematography, the bittersweet feeling is damn near close to heart
But they couldnt make scene with her death justice lol
@@НикитаСимонян-ж5еThat's for the third game.
"Then. I'll be going now. I'll come back when it's all over."
She didn't
She did, in burst of the lifestream when everything was over.
Famous last word
@@solowolf5702 She did but only Cloud could see her
It's joever 😢
Who’s here after rebirth
Who is here before rebirth?
Just finished last night😢
@qhodave I don't have a PS5, I'm a PC gamer. Waiting for the Steam port so I can beast it out
Didnt play just watched 😂
I thought Rebirth kind of sucked. Way to ruin the characterization.
But at least it was better than Remake.
"Then, I'll be going now. I'll come back when it's all over."
That was Aerith's last word and a final moment between her and Cloud before she died. I wish Aerith could live longer and be with Cloud forever.
Crazy cuz she did come back 🥲 Remake
Really hoping in remake that's what happens so bad it's been 20 years. The ending dialog "The promised land, I think I can meet her there". Good god the suffering in spinoffs they've put us through. He's "sought" to meet her again in like Finale Fantasy Tactics. I want my childhood ship to finally have a happy ending.
" I'll come back when it's all over" ....geez, I am still waiting for that T_T, this is so sad but beautiful at the same time...
Aerith Strife technically she did at the end :(
@@rinoaheartilly4769 In hindsight, I think that's what she was referring to. She knew she probably wouldn't survive this...maybe she knew her future, or maybe she simply knew Sephiroth would try to do everything in his power to stop her. but this dream always seemed like a 'goodbye' to me.
@Yingchao Sun Let's hope so. So far story has been insane hahaha
So...like...nobody caught on that FFVII's theme is 'life'? Nobody noticed how Aerith's eyes were shown opening again at the end of FFVII? Or how she's still hanging around interacting with those of the living in Advent Children two years later? Or how she and Cloud are still able to take a hold of one another's hands? Or how Cloud is still able to see her? Or that even Tifa acknowledged her existence in Advent Children? Why would people say that they're still waiting for her to come back? I'm kind of amazed that so many people missed such an important point of FFVII. The theme is 'life' and both Aerith herself as well as her death/continued existence symbolizes it in so many ways.
"I'll come back when it's all over" is a very symbolic line in terms of the idea that people are still with us even after they die. Nomura pointed that out in an interview during the making of Advent Children. Come on, people...in the end, Aerith did come back. Even the creator of "Wreck It Ralph" got this and used it as a message in an easter egg in the form of wall graffiti for their film: "Aerith lives"
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My boyfriend died when I was only 19. After his funeral I had a dream where we spoke and he was telling me how he wasn't really dead and I remember waking up thinking it was all so crazy that I thought he had died until I came around and realized it was just a dream.
That scene always reminds me of that.
So did you BF die or was it just a dream?
He really did pass.
I am sorry. Wish you the best.
@@viccrang Ohh sorry to hear
Thank you for the kind comments guys- life does go on- it did happen 13 years ago.
But you never forget those things or the grief tied to them, it becomes part of you that you accept and respect
I love Aerith, she's so strong and braveful
Courageous was probably the word you were looking for.
@NoctXIIIit's the thought that counts.
a very underrated and important scene.
If she can talk and reach Cloud through dreams like this, does that mean even after death, Cloud and Aerith never be apart?
Advent children confirms.
@@TheAceLewis Remake does too
It seems that she can enter in the dreams of others, though I don´t think she will be that invasive. Advent children gives a closure to this.
She has done this too in Cloud's dream in the Remake.
She will not be visiting him always though , because this way Cloud cant move on, since he loved her
This scene really makes me wonder if Cloud was having a prophetic vision of sorts or if Aeris really was somehow directly communicating with him while he was dreaming. My bet's on the latter. It really is a poignant and effective way for her to deliver her last lines of dialogue.
Chris J I agreed, especially considering that aerith knows that she should return to the planet after cast the holy to make sure that the meteor cannot destroy the world. Then she would wish say to cloud her goodbyes before to go.
She was directly communicating with him through his dream. First, everything that happened in this "dream" was true. Second, In AC she told him she never blamed him, all that matters is that he came (to the forgotten city). Meaning she took into account the fact that she already gave him her location through this "dream".
@@josecuestas7246 Yes, I totally agree. In that sense, she did "come back when it's all over" in order to save the planet through the Lifestream along with Holy.
@@kingorigin4805 That's a good point! I didn't even think of it like that, but you're right. It just gives more proof that this wasn't just some coincidental dream but that Aeris was directly speaking to him.
Seemed more like it was the only thing the writers could think of to
1) Tell the player/characters what to do next (i.e. go to the Forgotten Capital) and
2) Give some indication why Aeris left the party and at least one more moment before her fateful scene.
Man.. I just got to this scene in rebirth. I had to look it up since I remember this scen well. they did a great job showing this in rebirth.
Felt more dramatic too with voices, cloud struggling to follow her bc of those damn whispers....
#SaveAerith
Oh please saved her😭😭😭😭
#KillAerith #DontRuinAGoodStoryWithShittyFanservice
(1:23) This is the scene that Cloud has a vision of the start of Chapter 9 in Remake. (The scene when he unexpectedly sheds a tear upon seeing Aerith walking away before sector 6 section)
So much deep stuff here. Cait Sith dies, Cloud give Sephiroth the black materia, Cloud beats Aeris, Cloud dreams of Aeris and him in a forest together. Sephiroth taunts Cloud. And even the biggest emotional climax is soon to happen. Incredible scripting.
It's like Aerith can reach out to Cloud in his dreams, just like in the Remake (Chapter 14, Option Scene with Aerith)
Yes you are right, but in the remake it's also maybe the orginal timelines's Aerith ! I think there are many timelines, because we have seen a scene where Zack still alive, but this is no make sense for Cloud's story. (Sorry for my bad english...)
@@Strigon1000 There are multiple timelines in the Remake. The three ones we know of are the original one, the remake one and the Zack lives one. How they will all play out we have to wait and see.
And Now Cloud Would Save Her This Time
Yeah 👍
I really don't want that . I love Clerith . But Clerith, it's a sad love . I have always considered very beautiful moments of Clerith, how he suffers from her death, how he misses her, how he wants to meet her . I hope that everything will happen again . And finally, then the death of Zack, due to which Crisis core became popular (Although in fact the plot there is complete nonsense), will remain in the background . The death of Aerith will definitely go down in one of the saddest and most famous moments in the history of video games .
@@НикитаСимонян-ж5е ikr, but at least cloud get the happiness he deserves too, i mean he has one last chance to save aerith.
@@daffailmany9384 No, don't be stupid.
@user-df8lp9zq8s You know, it is pretty easy to tell when it is a biological female leaving the comments.
1:20 the line and Aerith's wave is just 💔. I love this flower girl so muchhh.
I like to thinks that we actually saved Aerith's life when we defeated the Whispers in the remake, as we defied the fate itself, allowing us get a chance to prevent her destined death.
Well that would totally shit all over the emotion of losing her.
i do think we can tho. now you can see Zack is still alive in the intergrade and intermission, he's defeating the whispers himself make me think we can save her.
@@philbecker4676Maybe but its obviously a different game with different themes
Dont go please :(
i'm constantly in the middle of wanting her to be saved so that they could be together and having her die so that the sad love story prevails like the og game (bcs tbh i love sad love stories). its just that if she dies i hope that cloud wont look for another love interest and that he kind of gets a dream/vision of what his future with her could've been if she had still been alive.
same. i literally think their love is a one that transcends time and space because him crying just from the feelings he got from being vaguely reminded of this scene in the remake.. is so powerful to me. this moment was so sorrowful for him a cloud with no memory of it and who wasn’t fully in love with aerith cried at the hint of feeling what he felt in this scene . i love these two
This is exactly how I feel. I am one for tragic stories, and Cloud and Aeriths story is one that really touches my heart. Yet, somewhere in me wants to know about the “what if?”.
Cloud x Aerith Forever!!
1:20 - 1:40
I wonder if Cloud saw this moment in the visions that he had in the beginning of the chapter 9 "The Town That Never Sleeps" in the remake? As he had this visions inmediately when he watched Aerith walking forward and away from him.
As touching as this scene is doesn't change the fact that what's done is done.
For me Cloud x Aerith FOREVER ❤
Well, as long as it's "for you", that's fine, as long as you acknowledge that Cloud canonically loves Tifa then your own fan-fiction can be as inaccurate as you want.
@@DutchDread _Cloud canonically loves Tifa_ False, canonically it is ambiguous. Now, obviously, the intention of the original script is that Cloud was interested in Aeris, but she dies. He even says to Tifa at the very end "I think I can meet her." Aeris is by default the character with more affinity points to Cloud, that is why she is the most probable date if you don't work with these points. Also, Yoshitaka Amano's original artwork for the game pictures Cloud with Aeris.
@@prime_time_youtube Oh god, how many times do I have to disprove these nothing burgers of arguments, I am sorry, but you are simply wrong. There is not a single locally sound argument in favor of Aerith in this debate, it's pathetic. I am not going to type out again what I've typed out a hundred times already. I'll just copy paste another comment I've made on this.
with the remake coming out I’ve been getting more and more anxious about FFVII, I’ve been playing the game, watching playthroughs, and getting back into that age old ritual, shipping wars.
However I noticed that all conversations and videos on the topic were basically the same, either trying to compare Clouds behavior or else try to one up each other with statements by developers. None of them seemed to take the viewpoint of a storyteller and how the game uses certain narrative techniques and why.
Most prominently no person I’ve seen talking about this took the time to separate the"Narrative", "Plot", and "Story" of the game, nor analyze how internal and external conflicts work together to create the plot, so in light of the imminent release of the remake I thought I'd give my perspective as someone who studied game design and Narratology as his Bachelor, and is now doing a master in the same field.
Now I am going to be upfront about this, this analysis of FFVII will end with the conclusion that not only is Tifa Lockheart the main female love interest in the plot, but I will argue that the much talked about “love triangle” of FFVII isn’t actually a part of the plot, if that concept seems ludicrous enough for you to refuse to listen to anything else I have to say then by all means, turn off the video. But if you have an open mind I think I can explain why the love triangle IS a part of the Narrative.
Although this will probably be a long video with a crappy microphone, no video editing experience and a horrendous Dutch accent I never-the-less still hope someone will find it interesting, and I hope it will help me better my own understanding as well since I admit these are difficult concepts to really grasp. I just wanted to document my thoughts on this somewhere before the remake comes out and changes everything.
People often seem to miss a lot of these themes and subtleties, which is a shame because FFVII plays with these things especially well. They will often talk about what the game is "about" and then when someone else has a different answer they think the other is wrong.
The truth is that often one person is simply describing the Narrative, while the other is describing the plot, or one is describing the driving inner conflict, while the other is describing the main external conflict.
People only see one aspect and miss a big part of the game because of it, which I find to be a shame.
First off, Story, Plot, and Narrative. People often use these interchangeably, and even I am guilty of getting the actual words mixed up at time, but they are all quite distinct concepts, especially in in stories with twists, hidden motivations, and unreliable narrators such as FFVII. In fact, it is the way that FFVII seamlessly combined the three and plays with the audience expectation that I argue is the reason for its success. So what are they?
Story: Story is the set of events and facts that make up the events of the game. It is the factual nature of what happens, told chronologically, and in order For instance "Cloud lives in Nibelheim, Cloud has a neighbor called Tifa. Tifa gets injured, Cloud leaves Nibelheim, Cloud tries to join Soldier". This is the beginning of the STORY of Cloud in FFVII.
Story shows us what factually happened. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Plot: Plot is the thread that runs through the different story points and ties them together, it explains storypoints and how they are related.
While story explains that "what" of evens, the plot explains the "why". This is from an in universe perspective, understanding the plot means you understand how the events taking place are experienced by the characters and what the place of these evens is in their personal character arcs.
The (condensed) start of the PLOT of Cloud is that "A boy has a crush on the girl next door, after said girl gets injured the boy the boy blames himself for his weakness and leaves town in order to get stronger in the hopes of getting the girl to notice him".
Note how this shows the causal chain and motivation that explain the different events. Note also how I didn’t mention the characters names in this description, the reason for that is that the characters names aren’t actually important to the plot, Cloud could be called by any name and the plot wouldn’t change, although the story would.
Narrative: Last up is the narrative, and this is what people have the most difficulties separating. The narrative is how the story and plot are being presented to the viewer in order to guide their beliefs and understanding of the story. It is the lens through which the plot is revealed to us.
Narrative is tricky because writers play with it in order to play with the viewers emotions, to misdirect them, or generally direct the viewers experience. It is the way the creators cause a subjective experience in the viewer, disconnected from the objective facts of the story.
This is especially important in stories with twists, like FFVII because there the narrative is intentionally misleading.
For instance, the start of the narrative of FFVII concerning Cloud is that: Cloud is a SOLDIER 1st class who is hired by Avalanche to blow up a Mako reactor.
We all know that is objectively false, Cloud is NOT a SOLDIER 1st class.
When a script has a twist or mystery, like the Mystery of Nibleheim and the twist of Clouds past, then the designers use the narration to attempt to deceive the viewer into think the plot of the story is one thing, when in actuality it is another. When the narration we are shown shows inconsistencies with the story facts we are discovering this creates a sense of mystery and unease as we start to doubt our own interpretation. Then when the twist happens the fog of the unreliable narrator is lifted and we can see the plot in its totality. This allows us to re-contextualize and place everything that came before it in a new light.
For instance, when we discover that Tifa knows Cloud didn't come to Nibleheim all of the strange behavior starts making sense.
Actions that were previously thought to indicate one thing can now potentially indicate the exact opposite.
FFVII does this several times using the Niblelheim incident, it is the central story telling technique of FFVII, which is a classic example of the unreliable Narrator. It effectively has three stages. 1: is the build up, where our assumed trust in the narrator (Cloud) establishes our views on the events taking place. This is embodied by the first telling of the Nibleheim story. Our understanding of what happened in Nibleheim sets the stage for who we believe Cloud to be. The second stage is doubt, in this part we, the viewer, start to doubt the Narrator and we are forced to reconsider the validity of what we believe and have been shown.
This phase is slowly built up through Clouds erratic actions, and culminates in the second visit to Nibleheim, in Sephiroths illusion. The third stage is the reveal, where we obtain the crucial piece of the puzzle that allows us to re-contextualize and understand everything that came before it, this is the Third visit to Nibleheim, where Clouds feelings for Tifa are established to be the key puzzle piece that drove the plot of FFVII, and that allows us to finally see the "plot" instead of "the Narrative".
It is one of the most shockingly satisfying reveals in narrative media, and one of the reasons why I consider Nibelheim to be one of the greatest narrative devices over conceived and Claerith fans sadly reject it because they don't like the way it re-contextualizes Clouds interactions with Aerith and Tifa
So next up, internal vs external conflict.
This is inspired by someone who said they realized that FFVII isn’t a love story, but a story about saving the planet. This idea confused me because it seems obvious that the one does not preclude the other, and FFVII is particularly fond of seemingly changing what the story is about halfway through the story. Examples of this is how the player first believes that the story revolves around taking down Shinra, but then changes focus towards Sephiroth. To many people the death of Aerith is seemingly also one such change, where the story changes from a love story with Aerith, to either a love story with Tifa, or a revenge story. Others believe that this indicates that the entire game has nothing to do with love in general. In reality the plot of FFVII is extremely cohesive; it’s not the plot that changes, it’s that the games NARRATION suddenly shows a part of the plot that was at first unseen. And when said narrative seemingly shows a plotline ending in a way we did not expect. Closer inspection usually reveals that this is because the narration itself turned out to be misleading.
Usually when attempting to write stories that engage with humans there are not only multiple stories and character arcs for the different characters, but also a separate internal and external conflict. First the characters need to resolve their inner conflict, which then grants them some secret or strength that allows them to resolve the external one, this is the internal character arc, the heros journey. It is the ways the characters must change in order to achieve victory.
A story that has only external conflict is generally bland and devoid of humanity.
Neither of the two is the "true conflict", and it's only by understanding how the two relate that you get to understand the full picture of the game.
Again, this is done EXTREMELY well in FFVII where Cloud has a whole host of issues that need to be resolved before the final showdown with Sephiroth can take place. The brilliance of FFVII is the juxtapostion of this grand external world ending conflict with the simple human story of a boy who felt he needed to become stronger in order for a girl to notice him.
There are lots of debates about who is the Heroine of FFVII, and this is the answer, Aerith has the role of Heroine in the external conflict, the one tasked with saving the planet. Tifa meanwhile has the role of Heroine in the internal conflict, the one tasked with saving Clouds soul.
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So how does all this tie into the love triangle and shipping wars? Well, I've spend A LOT of time thinking about this and going over the evidence, and the more I think about it, the more I drift towards the idea that there isn't an actual love triangle within the plot of FFVII. I think there might be one in the plot of FFVII: remake, because Square-enix is trying to milk the shipping war for all its worth, and I am not sure they themselves fully understand the plot they created. It might sound arrogant to say I know FFVII better than the people making the remake, but let’s not pretend as if creators not understanding what made their original works so great is a rare thing, the world is abound with poor sequels and adaptations. Anyway, because of all this I felt compelled to make this video before the remake comes out and people will use it to claim god knows what. I will just preemptively state here that if anything I said clashes with things done in the remake, then that’s not most likely not an error on my part, but a retcon on the part of the remake.
When I really analyze the role of Aerith both to the plot of the game, from an out of universe perspective as set out by the creators of FFVII, and to the plot of Clouds love life, as experienced by Cloud in universe. I cannot see any evidence for an actual love triangle existing.
Now don't get me wrong, when we are playing the game, we, the players, are definitely experiencing a love triangle, however, it's my contention that this love triangle ONLY exists within the Narrative of FFVII, NOT within the plot.
We, the players, experience Aerith as a love interest because that's what we are used to, we know the tropes, we see Cloud interacting with her in a pleasant manner, the first 1/3rd of the story seems very focused on them, which we, through our experience with media, take to mean that this is a love story. This is the narrative as set down by FFVII, that this is the story of a soldier with two possible love interests. However, I'd argue that all that is a part of the misdirection set out by the plot, in fact, I'd say the the final Nibelheim scene basically shouts that from the rooftops.
It literally IS the twist, and I find it difficult to understand why people miss it.
I think the problem is that by the by time we get there they are too set in their ways, they don't want to re-evaluate the scenes that have already happened in light of new discoveries from the point of view of the plot. This is especially true if they’ve already made emotional attachments to a certain interpretation of the plot. After all, if you’ve just spent 10 hours of your life watching a tragic love story that ends in the death of one girl, who on earth would want to be told that the guy didn’t actually care about her? You’d get EXTREMELLY defensive, and I’ve seen some defensive people when it comes to Cloud and Aeriths supposed love story.
However, that doesn’t change the fact that most arguments made for Aerith and Cloud either turn out only to apply to the Narrative of the game. Or completely misrepresent Clouds internal struggle.
This is something that really affects me because the story of FFVII is beautiful, complex, and thoroughly thought out. And by refusing to take a hard look at what the plot tells us about the characters, I feel we are doing it a disservice. In fact, how are we able to call ourselves fans of a story if we are unwilling to accept the story for what it is? We wouldn’t be fans if that were the case, we’d be critics, haters even, what we would be a fan off is our own final fantasy VII fan fiction.
So, having said all that. What do I mean when I say that most arguments for Aerith as a love interest only apply to the narrative, not the plot?
Well let’s take an example, juxtaposing what we experience as players through the narrative vs what actually happens from an objective story perspective, devoid of narrative or interpretation.
Lets start with the elephant in the room, the "date".
The argument usually goes that Aerith's number of affection points proves that Cloud inherently prefers her and that there is a romantic connection there. There are 2 possible main dates, ergo a love triangle, and one has more inherent affection points, therefore, main love interest right?
This argument comes from the narrative, and what we expect from games, this is what we, the viewer, experience. We experience Cloud interacting with Aerith, and potentially going on a date with her. But when we break down the date and actually look at it from different angles, we see it's not so simple.
First of all, from a purely mechanical perspective.
1: There is the fact that Tifa is more shy/reserved and therefore less likely to barge in for a date character wise.
Just assuming that the default affection points are different because of an actual difference in affection, and NOT there to reflect that increase in difficulty is a meta-argument that doesn't actually transfer logically to emotions felt by the characters in the universe. From a game design perspective, there is no difference between starting with a lower number, or requiring a higher number, you'd always use the first, because its easier to code. You COULD make both girls start with 50 affection and then say Tifa gets the date if she beats Aeriths affection score by 20....but making her start with 30 has the same effect and requires less code, so you can't make a deduction about their actual feelings based on it. The most you could say is that the designers of the game wanted to nudge you in the direction of going on a date with Aerith. However, when making that argument, you are once again arguing that the NARRATIVE the designers want you to experience is that there is a love triangle, just like the Narration wanted you to experience that you were a SOLDIER 1st class, it doesn’t logically translate to any feelings the characters themselves might have within the plot, especially since we KNOW the narrative of FFVII is trying to trick us.
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The last conversation they had. And it was just in a vision projected to cloud from aerith. It’s crazy to think that the last time they saw each other was when he was actively beating the shit out of her under sephiroth’s influence. That was the last moment they shared together. This game was so brutal in some moments. Makes me wonder how the remake is going to handle these scenes.
that knowledge is what truly makes her death a tragedy (everyone forgets this detail). it’s also very key to why cloud desperately seeks her forgiveness in AC. Because the second to last time he saw her, he brutally beat her. Then the last time he saw her, she was killed right in front of him
@@ZeldaFan0o0He never really needed her forgiveness. "I never blamed you. Not once. You came for me. That's all that matters." That's such an important line that Cloud really needed to hear. Aerith is too pure for this world.
@@ZeldaFan0o0He loved her , thats why he seeks her forgivness
They are not gonna show this scene obviously in rebirth
Actually their last moment together is him about to hack her head open.
The Stars are rewritten, The tragic love story of Earth and Sky Aerith and Cloud) will be rewritten, the star crossed lover might continue the chapter of there love story, NOW THAT THE DESTINY IS DEFIED. (Clerith might happened)
now living zack be damned??
@@nataliealtemose5277 aerith did basically say in the remake that she's trying to move on. "Gotta look forward, not back"
@@nataliealtemose5277 Aerith has said it in CC, OG, and Remake that she has moved on from Zack. Like OG Cloud, Aerith is always with her (though more literally than figuratively thanks to the Lifestream). So, Zack is always in her heart, but she has moved forward.
She’s my favorite
Same here. Aerith is awesome. 😊
They don't make Prozac strong enough to handle the sadness in this scene damn square enix
FF7 REMAKE: CLOUD, You cant just...run off like that - Aerith/Rooftop
FF7 OG: Aerith runs off alone.
Girl :'(
And btw, when Aerith said, "...I'll come back when its all over.." She meant it...Remake. We waited so many years for her to come back.
Cloud will go to promised land to revive Aerith again.
yeah i Hope so! ^.~
I think he meet her when he will die
With GameShark
Since the entire point of letting Aerith die was to present kids with a death that was PERMANENT, don't hold your breath, also, Cloud canonically loves Tifa and wasn't even aware that Aerith had a cruch on his fake personality so double ain't gonna happen.
DutchDread if you actually played the game she grew to love him for who he was as the game progress. And plus NONE of the ffvii “couples” are canon so chill your tits
Aerith already knew that she was going to die, that’s the sad part 😭
😭😭😭😭 and she still tried to cheer everyone up....
She is finally back!!
And Clerith remains superior couple🤭
Clerith fans are not everyone though. So nobody is that interested overall.
"Cloud... if you don't biggity-bounce your ass up out of this bed"
and now the real game begins..
Came here after rebirth, this is sad scene 😢
Wuau! such an emotional scene, i think finally aerith met the real Cloud instead of the Zack clone and she wanted to say goodbye. Sadly i think she fell in love with the real Cloud but she knew her destinity.
Nope, she died before ever meeting the real Cloud, canonically she had no idea who the real Cloud was even 1 day before she left, and when she tried to imagine his characteristics while in the life stream, it's stated that it awoke "him", referring to Zack. So even the things she saw in him where actually Zack.
@@DutchDread Another delusional statement.
Let's see what the real Cloud think of Aerith before she died.
Cloud : "When we were riding on the gondola I'm sure Aerith was aware the real me, Whom I looked away from."
Official reference :
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*_Aerith cried as she thought about the shattered Cloud that even her prayers wouldn’t reach. His wrecked character could no longer be fixed. If he wasn’t Cloud in the first place then, who was he? Knowing him only as a former member of Soldier, there was no way she could guess. She embraced the feeling of helplessness that she couldn’t put into words_*
- Maiden of the Planet.
*_“I felt something odd about him but, was everything really just made up and part of his false character? Cloud wasn’t real at all? …No, that can’t be true. There were things that only Cloud could think of. Things that he done because he was Cloud. He was never an empty vessel to begin with!”_*
*_But she couldn’t figure out the truth. Her thoughts just went in circles. Aerith delved into her memories again. Memories that showed Cloud’s individuality. The way he walked. She remembered all his actions one by one…Most of those thoughts merged into the Sea of Mako and awakened a character. The character recognized the image she recalled and “he” woke up.-_*
Maiden of the Planet. ("he" here refering to Zack)
Cute try love. try again though.
Btw, notice how ONCE AGAIN, you people have to resort to vague lines that literally mean nothing, in vague spin-off games, while we have actual direct quotes and evidence? I mean, I am not even sure why I bothered refuting this when it literally would be meaningless even if it were true.....Everytime you people speak you make your ship seem more pathetic through the weakness of your evidence.
@@DutchDread hey, you're everywhere in these tribute to Cloud and Aerith's relationship videos.... why do you keep commenting on Aerith and Cloud's relationship when you don't like them...? Won't it make you happier to watch Cloti/Zerith's videos?
Did you play the remake?
@@EternalxSnow I just finished 100% ing the remake actually, about 5 minutes ago.
That having been said, your problem is that you think these are Aerith/Cloud videos, I was looking at this video specifically because I was looking for footage about Cloud and Tifa.
This scene mirrors another scene with Tifa, where Cloud is running away.
Aerith and Tifa are always mirrored, In this case, both have to choose between Cloud and saving the planet, this scene is Aerith choosing to go save the planet instead of Cloud, which leads to her resolving the external conflict, and being reunited with her love interest, Zack.
Tifa, in the hospital, has to choose between staying with Cloud and going off to save the planet, and she chooses to stay with Cloud, this leads to her resolving the inner conflict of the story and being reunited with her love interest, the real Cloud.
This scene is a Cloud/Tifa, and Zack/Aerith scene, NOT Aerith/Cloud, so I'll ask you the same thing, why are you saying these things on a Cloud/Tifa video? Wouldn't you be happier looking at Cloud/Aerith videos?
It still hurts.
Goodbye...
Squall and Rinoa, Cloud and Aeris, Selan and Maxim are my favorite couples in videogame history
"Couple", you need two people for a couple love XD
DutchDread I see you everywhere lol how about you respect people’s ship, judging by all your comments you don’t like Aerith at all. And yet you’re here watching a video of her talking to cloud.
@@nixievang I really like the character actually, I'd say she's probably my fourth or fifth favorite character in the FFVII universe, and I even ship her with Zack (my favorite), maybe stop pretending you know me, what I don't like it the Aerith shippers, because they're trying to ruin an amazing game, and based on the FFVII remake and the absolute fucking absurdity that it that ending, they might have actually succeeded in killing FFVII, so congrats, you may have killed one of the best games of all time because of your poor grasp of story telling.
DutchDread If you think can go around telling people their ships are hopeless then guess what you’re gonna get a response. So CONGRATS to you for ruining their view of the game. Know that NONE of the couples in ffvii are canon so all sorts of ships can happen not just one.
@@DutchDread lol clueless noob going everywhere sprouting lies just to make his Cloti fantasy comes true hahaha you're so fucking pathetic dude 🤣
0:27 Aeris is giving off Sakura "I've finally caught up to those two" and "I'll take on 6 paths Madara myself" vibes here folks😂
Immaculate scene. Thank you!
Imma lose my shit in Rebirth when this happens lol
If I were in charge of the remake, romancing Aerith would unlock a Pixar montage where Clarith walks away from the adventure and lives a full life with kids and grandkids. It would end with Aerith doing this scene as an old lady. I'm kind of a sick fuck.
She came back now in the remake hoo boy 😱
the good news is that Aerith wont die in the FF7-Remake, the fate/destiny has been changed now that we found out that Zack is Alive
This shit was super sad when I was a kid man real talk
It's about to happen again guys. Get ready.
I think Cloud dies instead of her then we will play as Zack. That would be awesome.
She was throwing out major deathflags.
The part I think about the most is, how the hell did she get from the temple of the ancients to the city of the ancients without the lil bronco?
J Hare maybe it can be counted like a plothole in the game to remember that the game was rushed and several points aren't explained. Even if you keep "alive" aerith through of gameshark or yuffie glitch, she have exclusive dialogues in some parts post her death.
I've seen that, makes me wonder if they'd considered letting her live at one point.
Well, they in the beginning considering that aerith could be revived in a later point of the game, but they chose keep her dead in the end to think that her death was vital to the story and revive her could spoil it.
the game's story was an incoherent mess.
@@tohopes As much as I love FFVII, this is the truth.
so you won't have a breakbwon, ok?"
he actually will have it xD
My favourite
Did she know she was going to her death? Sometimes I think yes, sometimes I think no. I think holy required a sacrifice just like meteor did - a sacrifice of life, to ensure the caster was serious and was prepared to pay the price. But then, sometimes, maybe she thought it was hard work but had an end that was not death. It's a fascinating game.
I always imagine she's saying that last line with tears in her eyes.
I think near the end of the game before the final battle, Tifa expresses that Aerith was always talking about the future, things that wanted to do and so on, for her Aerith didn't know that she was going to die.
I don't know at what point in her journey to the forgotten city she entered Clouds dream, my guess is that it was before arriving. Then once shes there, she learns about what is necessary.
Let aerith live in the remake!!!!
That would be the worst idea ever, I'd be so indignified of that that I'd return the game.
DutchDread it’s a great idea :)
@@DutchDread I wouldn't have made one iota if Aerith lived or died. Sephiroth would have still been able to summon meteor to absorb the life stream. In the FF7 remake Red 13 said in a way all humans would die except the animals and other life forms in the end if Cloud and the others were to fail.
In the OG story of FF7 all the humans died when holy was summoned. That is the true story and real ending.
Just a theory man but what if Aerith in the remake is a time traveler that went back to the past after she came back from the life stream in the original timeline to save the human race from meteor and help Cloud defeat sephiroth? I doubt Aerith would need to die to fulfill anything. It would be more beneficial if she lived that way the human race would have a chance.
The maker of the game said that Aerith wasn't supposed to die in the first place in the original. So if people are all pissed that Aerith may have a chance at living can go cry a river until they soak up their pants. Things change over time and people need to accept it!
@Jess All the cry baby Tifa fans would have a ballistic melt down if Aerith lived. Some dorks would probably end up killing themselves because they couldn't get Cloud with Tifa or some demented retard shit they been on about since the remake dropped.
Tifa may die in the remake timeline. It is only a speculation or possibility but watch people have a pissy fit if ol Tifa big tits with fist died on them. I can't wait to see the fallout. I will laugh my ass off at these triggered people. Hell I will flood twitter with memes of fools crying over Tifa.🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@@B-MoreCity Ok, so you don't understand story telling, Yes it would matter because the theme of death and it's irreversibility is one of the driving themes of
FFVII, I don't know where you got this nonsense about Aerith not being supposed to die, but you have it backwards.
The fact that she had to die was the point of her character, hell, it's even why Tifa was created, because Aerith had to die.
Letting her live spits in the face of everything FFVII tried to teach, whether or not its possible within the plot itself doesn't matter because the plot isn't the most important thing, the plot is superficial.
What matters is that it spits in the face of Clouds story arc (accepting the past, failure, moving on, etc), Aeriths character, and the themes the game tried instilling.
Maybe you mean she wasn't "Originally" supposed to die, and yeah, things change when you make a game, she was originally Sephiroths sister, and even his lover for a while. But by the time the game came out, her death, and especially its permanence, had become vital.
(few spoilers ahead )
1 : she says she's being led by something. is it the planet ? Or a call from the other Cetras ?
2 : Sephiroth reacting to this dream like he learned something using cloud's mind and eyes...Did Aerith died because of Cloud ? (well aerith too since she made the dream) now i just feel horrible because it's kind of our fault if she died... (plus that we beat the shit out of her during the end of the ancient temple scene...) damn she just can't take a break.
unfortunately, she had to die. it was in the cards from the beginning in order to save the planet. aeris knew this. hence her juxtaposition between excitement for life and melancholy. I don't think she knew the exact moment, but she knew her days were numbered. I think she knew that holy wasn't enough. foreshadowing: "I have a materia. it does absolutely nothing". she was "joking", but in actuality,, I think part of her knew that holy wasn't enough to do the trick. before leaving midgar, she says she needs answers to "many things". the planet speaks to her, but it is difficult for her to understand perfectly. she is led more by emotion and less by logic - she follows the direction the planet pulls her. It was necessary for her to become part of the lifestream in order to help manipulate it.
however, I still will die on the "everyone dies in the end, humanity sacrificed itself" hill. I prefer that ending. the party fought tooth and nail not for themselves, but for the planet. bugenhagen states, "holy will destroy any threat to the planet. meteor, or maybe even ourselves..." that wasn't thrown in there for no reason. I think the planet could gradually recover after meteor, even if its inhabitants could not. in the end, holy shoots out across the skies, blinding everyone. holy ensured that this kind of heinousness would never occur again.
@@nataliealtemose5277 i agree with everything u said here very well said , except one thing. i don’t really think aerith had intentions to die . tifa said “ aerith used to talk about the future more than anyone” i think what makes this scene one of my favorite is because just before it, cloud seriously broke down to the point he really harmed aerith badly . it’s because of this experience she really wanted more than anything to protect him , protect him from encountering sephiroth and being mentally controlled and broken again. her bravery to set off on her own to try and stop sephiroth to protect cloud from having to face him again is what makes her leave and try to stop sephiroth on her own.
“ and cloud you take care of yourself.
so you don’t have another breakdown, okay?”
While it's beautifully made, this scene isn't beautiful on it's own, it's a fucking anxiety attack. It's like in Mother 3, when the pigeon brings the letter from Hinawa that she'll be home soon, which arrives RIGHT after a forest fire....
Part 3 gonna be epic....
"Cloud... If you don't biggity bounce your ass up out of this bed..." - Sephiroth (2018)
Lol
Also Good Morning , Sleepyhead.
I always like how Tifa and Aerith are both put in the position of choosing between Cloud and saving the planet.
Aerith has this scene where she's going somewhere Cloud can't follow.
Tifa, after Cloud gives the black materia to Sephiroth, has a scene where he is running in the dark and Tifa can't follow.
The two moments are brilliantly thematically linked, and they both show the womens respective places within the plot.
Aerith ends up choosing to go save the planet, and leave the fate of Cloud to other people.
Tifa ends up choosing to stay with Cloud, and leaves the fate of the world to other people.
This leads to Aerith saving the world, cementing her place as the heroine of the external conflict of FFVII.
And this leads to Tifa saving Clouds soul, cementing her place as the heroine of the internal conflict of FFVII.
Aerith may not have ended up being a genuine love interest, but damn was she a good character.
Nomura said so himself that Cloud love interest depends on our perceptive on the game and he won't confirm either sides. Please stop this, Just because you have a different perspective on the game doesn't mean the other person is wrong and doesn't understand anything. That's just childish way of thinking.
"Oh he thinks differently than me, he's so stupid, he ruined a good game" seriously this is so dumb.
You seriously need to stop, Cloti and Clerith is either both canon or neither is. It depends on us, why are some Clotis just so damn rabid, I don't usually do ship wars but youre one of those obsessive delusional type that only looks at one side and always thinks he's right.
Just as Nomura said
Tetsuya Nomura: "I'd say, [who Cloud likes] is all how you perceive the game. Cloud, as you know, is a very popular character, so I don't want to confirm the answer either way. Since the players have affection towards him, I want to leave it up to the players to decide who Cloud likes."
And we're the one who doesn't understand the narratives?
It's up to us, give it a rest, we let you enjoy Cloti and You let us enjoy Clerith, both are canon. Jesus this is just ridiculous.
@@lethalg391 Dude, you people can keep spewing bullshit I've long since disproven (in this very thread), but I am not gonna waste my time repeating myself over and over, if you want to know why you're wrong, just reread the stuff I've already said.
I'll respond to the people making interesting and new comments, or those who seem especially genuine about actually wanting a friendly discussion, but I am not gonna waste my time on poorly written, poorly informed, rants.
AND THIS IS THE NARRATIVE OF FF7 SAID BY NOMURA HIMSELF
I copied from EzBread in another of your comment
While designing Final Fantasy VII, Nomura was frustrated with the "perennial cliché where the protagonist loves someone very much and so has to sacrifice himself and die in a dramatic fashion to express that love." He found this trope appeared in both films and video games from North America and Japan, and asked "Is it right to set such an example to people?"Kitase concluded: "In the real world things are very different. You just need to look around you. Nobody wants to die that way. People die of disease and accident. Death comes suddenly and there is no notion of good or bad. It leaves, not a dramatic feeling but great emptiness. When you lose someone you loved very much you feel this big empty space and think, 'If I had known this was coming I would have done things differently.' These are the feelings I wanted to arouse in the players with Aerith's death relatively early in the game.
From this, you already can get what they are trying to do, making love tragic from the start, losing the very person that you love out of the blue, and what it felt. it's what makes FF 7 different then other games. You can clearly see their intention of Cloud's tragic story.
So if you understand what the devs were trying to do you'll get this conclusion:
Cloud loves Aerith very much and when he loses her out of the blue it truly broke him as we saw in AC
That's why Nomura said "Love that can't ever be" or "Impossible Love" It is not saying that they don't/can't love each other, it's saying that Their love is seperated from life and death but even then they will always love for each other.
That is what makes FF7 such a beautiful yet tragic love story and that is what the devs are trying to do in the first place.
@@DutchDread
I don't mind you proving your point about Cloti, it's just that You're delusional to the level that you think you're right and we're all wrong and "ruining the game" while the devs isn't even supporting your claims.
Friendly comments?? You're the last person I want to hear that from, you literally went to every comment you deem different from your perspective and calling them not understanding the game and wrong and all. Hypocrisy at it's finest
You just want to listen to what you want and ignore facts and logics. You disapproved nothing.
Nomura literally said this
Tetsuya Nomura: "I'd say, [who Cloud likes] is all how you perceive the game. Cloud, as you know, is a very popular character, so I don't want to confirm the answer either way. Since the players have affection towards him, I want to leave it up to the players to decide who Cloud likes."
And you want to disapprove it?? Ok you're basically making a new game now
Just give it a rest. Both are officially canon and differs from our perspective of the game, let us enjoy our ships and we'll let you enjoy yours in peace. Stop being so toxic and going to each Clerith post and telling us we don't understand the game.
While the devs themselves said they want us to Choose the love interest based on our perspective of the game.
People talking about ff7 remake or advent children or anything the did to drain more money from fans disgust me.
This is the one and only FF7.
This is the first game i played alone when i was 11, it was a new experience and during school i couldn't focus for the first time in my life only thinking about it.
It was a masterpiece and i used to stop the game at this scene and enjoy the music in this forest with aerith, it had something mystical.
Still has to me, weird
Completely agree. I refuse to play the remake or any FF7 spin-off games. It's all non-canon as far as I'm concerned.
@@_BrennusWhy? Remake is great
Remake is great. Crisis core and advent children not so much
Does anyone know the name of the exact version of this song?
aerith theme
Fucking brutal.
Not only do I think she will die in Remake, I think she is already dead and the veil will be removed later in the series
Lmao barrets dialogue is hilarious 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Before this Cloud beat the shit out of Aerith
Barret was fucking right
I think video games changed overnight once Final Fantasy VII showed what you can do with a video game story. This is fucking art.
Aeris: I'll be back when it's all over. Me: Unfortunately, she didn't (referring to her death at the end of disc 1)
Kevin Silva she kind of cane back at the end :/
@@rinoaheartilly4769 The ending was actually a reprise of the opening scene
Kevin Silva i know :) but I meant she came back and saved the world with holy, even though she wasn’t physically there anymore :)
@@alster724...the ending was not a reprise of the opening scene. Take a look at the intro vs the ending again. In the intro, the screen pans onto Aerith's face where you see an Aerith whose eyes were already open. The ending scene of her face is significant because when the screen pans in on it, her eyes are shown closed at first then finally opening up. It's a nod to FFVII's theme 'life'. The creators were clear in saying that they had to kill her in order to portray the theme. According to Wreck it Ralph: "Aerith lives".
That's a rather important message the game itself was trying to show, and you see that also in Advent Children in which a dead Aerith is still interacting with the world of the living and Cloud even years after she already died. She and Cloud are even able to successfully reach for each other's hands again. Nomura clarifies that regarding the theme of 'life', the message is that people are still with us even after they've passed on since their memories/consciousness continue to exist.
Sephiroth the one wing angel: Cloud, wake up.
There needs to truth, to know about Aeris.
Its always been her cloud isnt Zack just stop its aerith
:’(
*Aerith
I thought her name is Aerith. Without a s...
I love you
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*Aeris
..........th.
She was creepy here
If cloud truly love aerith why not follow her,but no cloud does not love aerith as his woman but maybe he loves her as a friend or like sister.
Are you dense? Aerith run away, the moment he realized he went for her. The last time they talked was in this dream.
@@nelneruc cloud help aerith because she is a friend nothing else,just analyze how cloud treat tifa and aerith they are so different,
@@lunad.05-10We did analyze it. Only a biased fool couldn’t see that Cloud did in fact love Aerith in OG.
He did run bruh
@@stavcy love as a friend nothing more, everyone of them love her not only cloud, only fool can't see what the differences of between love as a friend and love as s lover😂
I am just gonna say it, Clerith shippers don't understand Cloud, don't understand FFVII, and are therefore, not real fans.
Loving something requires that you see it for what it is, otherwise you don't love the thing, but your perception of the thing.
You guys can't actually love FFVII, because you don't accept it for what it is, just like Aerith doesn't love Cloud, because she doesn't know who Cloud is. What you love is your FFVII Clerith fan-fiction.
Saying you love someone when you've never met them, had a conversation with them, etc, isn't love, it's shallow, it's sad, it's not genuine. Sorry.
She does know him though. She knows him better than he knows himself.
So that argument is stupid. I'm sure you're not stupid, but Aerith was presented as this sort of otherworldly person. She obviously knew Cloud was not himself. She sensed that out.
You can be in love with that- it doesn't matter if YOU think she couldn't.
Sorry.
@@viccrang I am sorry, but you are simply wrong, yeah, she could tell there was something off with him, everyone with eyes could. That doesn't mean she knew him, that's you reading into things. If you don't believe me, it's outright stated. We have documentation concerning Aeriths thoughts both during her time with Cloud, and her time in the lifestream. And it's pretty clear on the fact that Aerith doesn't know what's going on and is confused. Hell, when she tries to conjure up an image of Cloud in the lifestream by imagining his habits, the way he moved etc (the things she thought were CLOUD), she instead awoke Zack.
This is all outside content of course, but even in the game Aerith never shows any indication that she knows who Cloud really is, she just notices there is something weird.
She knew Cloud was not himself, yes, but she didn't know who the real Cloud was, that's why she wanted to meet him. She wanted to find out who he really was. Ergo, she DIDN'T know who she really was. ERGO, the feelings she had for fake Cloud are not genuine, or at least, they are not genuine for Cloud. If you love a lie, you are not loving the truth.
@@DutchDread
"Aerith was in even greater pain when she thought about Cloud.
She also had good feelings towards him. At first, she thought he somehow had some similarities to her first love. Even so, his looks, voice and personality weren't similar and he also made her think of him as a mysterious person... But it soon didn't matter. She loved him much more than her first love. Cloud was her hero and he couldn’t get away from danger. She saw him as someone full of confidence, cool and had the impression that he would disappear in an instant if she took her eyes off him. She wanted to stay by his side forever if she could. She really wanted to." - MAIDEN OF THE PLANET, Chapter 1 (official novel of Aerith after her death)
"At first when I met Cloud, I believed he was similar to Zack. Little actions, the way he spoke his kindness. But Cloud is Cloud. I, now undoubtedly, love Cloud much more than Zack." - FF7 DISMANTLED
Both girls are love interest for Cloud. Both of them love him in their own way.
@@EternalxSnow Yeah, I know Aerith thinks she loves him, fact remains, the person she's loving is still Zacks living legacy. She's still not loving Cloud, her having feelings for Cloud still doesn't mean Cloud loves her, nor does any of it change the fact that she;s obviously lying to herself.
From maiden of the planet:
"“He gave off a mixed-up impression, but was it all fake; just part of his false personality? … No, that can’t be the case. There were thoughts he couldn’t have had unless he were Cloud. Things he could do because he was Cloud. He wasn’t an empty shell from the beginning!”
However, she couldn’t determine the reality. And so, her thoughts just went in circles. Aerith traced her memories again. Memories that showed Cloud’s habits. The way he walked. She went over each of his actions one by one
…A consciousness that had already dissolved into the sea of mako awoke. Responding as though summoned by the image she traced with her memory, “he” wakes up"
- Maiden of the planet.
So what she thinks of as Cloud....is still Zack (that's the "he" referred to here) .
@@DutchDread I do agree, initially Aerith is confused if she knew the real Cloud. But after meeting Zack, she knew she did know Cloud and that she loves him.
("How can I save Cloud? How can I stop Meteor? I didn't think that Holy would be held back. At this rate, the Planet's going to end up the way Sephiroth wants it... What can I do? Tell me, Cloud..."
Aerith cried as she thought about the shattered Cloud that even her prayers wouldn't reach. His wrecked character could no longer be fixed. If he wasn't Cloud in the first place then, who was he? Knowing him only as a former member of Soldier, there was no way she could guess. She embraced the feeling of helplessness that she couldn't put into words.
"Cloud... I miss you. I miss the real you..."
Her whispers and thoughts became expanded into waves and spread out in the Mako.
Her memories of being with Cloud came to mind again. Her impression was that even though he wasn't very social, there was some cheerfulness about him. )
("Man, you know Aerith. Out of all the girls I've gotten along with, you truly are the best. After that mission, we could have stayed the way we were and might have been able to continue to go out with each other after I returned home. I hate Sephiroth. And I hate Shinra who's been hiding all the stuff they've been doing."
"Someone who's gotten along with so many girls can never become a lover."
"How mean. I'm nice to everyone."
"And that's your bad point. You're not simplistic and awkward like Cloud."
"Is that what you liked, Aerith?"
"Who knows. Things might have changed after five years."
"Heh."
Zack put on sad face as if he was sulking but then smiled carefree. It was the unchanged smile that Aerith knew from when they were young. When she was seventeen, it was what attracted her to him.
"It's not over yet but, I'm going to sleep for a while. It seems there's nothing I can do just now. But whenever you feel lonely, call me Aerith."
"Only if I get really lonely. Goodnight, Zack."
Giving a wave, the First Rank Soldier sank into the Mako. Believing that his role was not yet over, Zack settled down to sleep to save up his energy.
Aerith wasn't going to sleep. Because she was Cetra, she didn't seem tired at all.
She was happy. She was happy that she now knew the real Cloud and was able to watch over him, even though it was just for a short while.)
I say she loves them both. Loved Zack but had grown to love Cloud for who he is.
We can go on, but I think it's okay for you to believe what you think it's true. But perhaps allow other people to form their own opinions on how they see Aerith's and Cloud's relationship too.
Did you know Sephiroth was suppose to be Aerith's first love? Zack came in after cause they scrape that idea. That would have been wild. Lol
Please for the lord of god tell me they will put this into the story. I love how Aerith is playing hide and seek. i love Cloud and Aerith so much. they are my favoritr final fantasy couple with real romance. not just some hollywood childhood friend crap.
omg i never thought of it like playing hide and seek but its just cute enough like that
But most fans prefer Tifa and Cloud
@@alster724 I don't know. I believe Cloud and Aerith are very popular in Japan, or the marketing seems to suggest it. Tifa fans are just more vocal here. I personally think Tifa is popular here due to the player's own preference for her. :') imo, I've talked to a number of Cloud and Tifa fans who don't seem to really know her actual relationship to Cloud very well. Or maybe it's Cloud in general that is misunderstood lol.
@@caffeinated.communication Cloud is indeed very misunderstood by people who think he loves Aerith.
Yeah, real romance, a girl he knew for one week while pretending to be someone else, who died before ever figuring out who he actually was, of whose feelings he was canonically oblivious.....real love, not the girl who initiated and concluded his entire story arc, who is his light, who is described as always being there for him, who he's raising a family with, who even Aerith said was gonna make him a fine wife if you want to go to spinoffs XD
Get a grip people.