As an Arizona coyotes fan, it seems like it’s something new every single day. Always something about this team moving or losing picks and money, extremely frustrating as a fan of this team
Might explain why the Coyotes are in fact dumping contracts left and right and setting up a potential relocation with multiple draft picks, it makes the prospect of owning this franchise that much more interesting
Also the payroll being low. Larry Pleau did the same thing when selling the Blues in the early 2000's. Pronger was gone due to lowering of budget to make the numbers more attractive for a new owner.
@@HobaginsSTL Yep, a lot of those contracts are on tail ends where the actual paid money is a lot lower than the cap hit because of how they're structured. The operational cost is less than actual cap usage.
The important thing here is, how does this affect the Leafs? If The Coyotes leave Arizona, does that mean Matthews will stay a Leaf forever? It's important to make this about the Leafs.
I remember all those years ago the Coyotes were done and moving to Winnipeg. Was shocked they were staying. And like out of nowhere Atlanta is moving. I feel bad for Thrashers fans, they didn’t even get to say goodbye.
The biggest issue was that the NHL propped up Arizona instead of Atlanta. I honestly feel that if the Thrashers were owned by a good owner that actually wanted the team and spent money on them, that they would have actually been successful
I mean being from Atlanta and being an ex thrashers fan I have a hard time feeling bad especially because of how adamant the NHL was on keeping Arizona but we’re so quick on letting the Thrashers go
Give Quebec back their team. Them Frenchies are maybe the most hardcore hockey fans in the world. There's enough Poutine to support two Frenchie clubs. Saying this as an Oilers fan.
@@godbobo4088 A team in Saskatchewan would work. Low population province sure, but look at the support for their CFL Roughriders team. People would drive 1, 2, 3, 4 hours in Sask to watch an NHL team. Compare that to Arizona, where you can ask people on the street about If they like the Coyotes, and they'll say "what, like the wild dog 🐕?"
Gila River arena is one of the nicest NHL arenas I've ever been to. Unfortunately it's really too far away from Phoenix to make anyone from the East valley want to go to the West valley for games. That has always been the problem. It's not central
I agree with that 100%. I live in the east valley and hate that drive to Glendale. I'm not a Yote fan but like to see other teams. Tempe would be ideal for me.
Mitch: I live in Glendale. Right down the street as a matter of fact. Hugely disapointing for me and the rest of the loyals here. I don't see what "Major Rehab" the Gila River Arena needs myself. The Coyotes have done NOTHING but fuss. They're like a spoiled kid that gets whatever he wants. Threats by the team to move to Tempe were heard loud and clear; That's why they're asses will be on the street! A loosing team, with a pissed off fan base isn't the answer for Glendale. There are alot of better places for the city to flush their money down the toilet than the Coyotes! As a fan, I'm upset. I really don't have pitty for Coyotes Management here; Ya gotta pay the bills! Sadly....... Without NHL HOCKEY in Glendale, the Gila River Arena will be a ghost town! When they started dumping contracts, I thought it was so they could obtain a quality player that the fan base could then get behind the team. We all loose!
I live in the West Valley (Surprise) and it's great to have NHL hockey just a hop over in Glendale. But, the population base in the West Valley just isn't enough to survive and folks won't drive from the East Valley to watch a losing team. I love the Yotes, I have an 11-game package and will enjoy every moment of it (Gila River Arena is a nice facility). I'm hoping they work out the deal with Tempe (smack dab in the population center - ASU (has a hockey team), Phoenix, Scottsdale, and Mesa), but we have to be realistic and know there's a big chance they'll wind up leaving AZ. It'll be disappointing, but it is a business and the NHL has been propping them up for years. Should the Yotes move, it would be great if they could move an AHL team here. I lived in the Denver area when they brought in the Denver Grizzlies for 1 year before the Avalanche was moved to Denver, games were a blast.
Location is a very underrated problem. I remember when the Senators moved from the Civic Center to the Palladium. Great area but it's a 20 minute drive from downtown Ottawa. Not to mention, the dumbest of them all: Sunrise, FL. There's a reason Vegas plays on the strip and not out in Spring Valley.
It really does. God damn those were good times. The entire city was behind them, the local news actually dedicated more than their usual 15 seconds of air time taking about the Coyotes. It truly felt like that was the light at the end of an very dark and long tunnel. And then they never made the playoffs again save for the COVID play in tournament.
As a Vancouver Grizzlie fan I/we know the hardships when the writing is on the wall. As a long time NBA fan, that event had us parting ways eventually. When Nash went to the Lakers to build super teams.....See ya!
I have a friend who lives in Phoenix. A few years ago I went out there and we went to a game. She said that every home game feels like a road game because there's always more jerseys and cheering for the opposing teams. They do heavily rely on tourist money. The entertainment district with the arena is beautiful, and maybe 5-10 minutes from there the Cardinals play football. They run a first class facility. Truly a shame that they can't make it work.
Cardinals play across the street. Gila River Arena and the Westgate district are great. It's just across the valley from the population center, although the West Valley is growing fast.
I'm a wings fan, but I was super pumped to see the yotes bring back the Kachina Logo. As a kid I loved them solely for their logo, and the dope crescent moon center ice painting they used to do.
A move to Houston and a return of the Aeros makes sense. The Houston Metro area is HUGE with over 6 million folks plus you have an instant rivalry with Dallas. Feel bad for Arizona but it has been a franchise full of drama and questions forever.
@@aaronjohnson3463 I do like how the Seattle Kraken show some respect to their roots (Seattle Metropolitans) with the "S" on the jersey. I'm sure they will do even more with their 3rd jersey in the future.
Metro Houston is only 33 percent white, and it seems to be losing whites in both numbers and population. In ten years, it will only probably be around 25 percent white.
@@willp.8120 What's your point exactly? Hockey is not a "white" only sport. I don't think race is a concern when the Greater Houston Metro area has almost 7 million people.
@@schumdav Metro Houston has 2.4 million whites or so. Yes, it might work, but given demographics changing, it may not have long term success. NHL fans are about 99 percent white, so you can't consider that those of other races will contribute to the fan base.
As a Yotes fan, I was happy to hear the howling coyote was retired and bringing back the white kachina. Hearing this news makes me nervous, about the future of my team. I'm hoping for some good news that they are staying in Arizona but honestly, I have a feeling the team will be relocating somewhere else when the lease is up and that will be it for hockey in the Arizona
When the NHL put a team in Vegas it doomed the Coyotes. I know it hurts, but Vegas is only a few hours north, especially if I-11 ever gets finished. Become a Knights fan where we have different issues but the team is sound.
i hope they find a home in tempe or somewhere in arizona from a canucks fan. but if they sadly cant hopefully they go to quebec city. because then they get a team to support. but i doubt the coyotes will move because bettman needs a team in the desert. maybe a new arena will bring more fans to the team
@@sparkywildcat8174 No, it was when the Coyotes moved away from any corporate support they had in Scottsdale, and way out to the boonies in Glendale, was the beginning of the end of the Coyotes. Constructing an arena in a suburb is usually not a good idea.
@@HAA0603 lol this guy called ovechkin a choke artist? You do realize ovechkin showed up every playoff right? It’s not his fault that the team he plays on can’t support him like the pens support Crosby. Btw Chris Paul played with multiple injuries especially a torn ligament in his hand which is huge in the nba, the bucks were supposed to win they had the better team. Losers like you can’t do anything in life so you talk smack about those who do, get a life
Houston Aeros hockey is one of the greatest WHA stories in hockey history, the next two clubs would be the Winnipeg Jets and Quebec Nordiques from that league and era. Houston is a huge sports city: anything Dallas, NY or LA is a call of duty for their legion of fans! This is a no brainer.
I don't understand this comment. Is this the Stanley Park in Vancouver British Columbia. Why would a Coyote wander into that park. I assume there are coyotes in that park in any case, as the Coyote, or Canis Latrans, is found all across the North American Continent. So why would we fear the Coyote, which as I stated is already a likely resident, entering a large protected park. It seems ideal. You must explain this comment please.
As an ASU student, seeing the team move close to Tempe is so exciting. But now with the news that dropped about an hour ago, they will be locked out of Gila River soon if they don't pay arena fee - gonna be interesting to see where they will play. Season ticket holders are probably so happy right now (sarcasm)
I'm not on the relocation train. Even as a Canadian. I feel for the Coyotes fanbase and it would suck to see something Thrashers-like happening again. Hopefully they go to Tempe. Sounds like there's a decent shot of success there. Just need a proper building.
Completely disagree. Canada does not have enough hockey teams and Arizona “fans” have proven that they can’t support this franchise. They’ve had their chance now move them somewhere so the rink can have more than 35% capacity
I agree... As someone who loved the Thrashers seeing them leave was very sad. I was happy the Jets were back in Winnipeg, but the Thrashers being no more still stings. I think this team moving somewhere else in Arizona is more likely... But Houston would be the next likely stop.
No one in the Southwest is very into hockey, unless they're a transplant or snowbird. When I lived in SoCal, most people thought the Ducks were a minor league team. They literally don't care. In a market like Glendale, that's basically the Phoenix metro area. They're competing for attention with football and basketball, which are just much more popular in the states. Contrast that with Quebec City, where people are hockey mad. They have a built-in audience forever. They had crappy owners in the past as the Nordiques, but with the right ownership group and right strategy they could make a ton of money. It should be a no-brainer. The NHL always seems to have a bug up its ass about francophones and French language media. But it's the right place to be. It's a market that will support a team. They'll be able to pay the rent in Quebec, at least.
@@rebekah7635 Glendale really isn't the metro area though. It's so much further out of the way from central Phoenix than places like Scottsdale and Tempe.
Makes you wonder if part of the reason they went back to the Kachina is because they knew this was coming and if they moved outside of Arizona, they would no longer being the Coyotes so having the Kachina back for their final season would be a good send off? Makes you wonder a little now that this has come out.
I live in Phoenix, actually Scottsdale, and even I don't go to Glendale very often. I really believe it has more to do with them being way over in Glendale than being in Arizona in general. Most people in the Phoenix area won't consider going to a game because they don't feel like driving 30 minutes to 2 hours to get to the arena. If you put them in a central, or even better, east valley location the attendance and revenue would sky rocket and they wouldn't have to move to another city.
Very similar to the Devils moving from the Meadowlands to Newark. It's easier to get to Newark from NYC than from suburban Jersey. And having to paying taxes for the privilege of being ****ed! Good riddance!
Yeah Charlie, I hear that quite often, that if the team was located in Scottsdale there wouldn't as many financial problems. I mean, getting off work at 5:00 PM on a Tuesday evening, rush home to p/u the family and drive across the valley to Glendale for 7:00PM game and doing so for 41 games a season doesn't motivate people to buy season's tickets. It might be OK 8 Sundays a season where you can spend all day tailgating for the NFL but doesn't work for the NHL. We know people who bought retirement properties in Scottsdale during the real estate bust in 2008 from here in Vancouver who say the NHL would make it in Scottsdale.
Arizona is the only place I know where people complain about driving 30 min to a game. That’s not far at all. If you don’t want to drive 30 min for a sporting event then it’s because the team sucks, not because the drive is far. I do agree that an arena in Tempe or Scottsdale would be better, but seriously people act like Glendale is sooo far when it’s not
@@GoudaGoudaGouda It is during the weekday. And as one that played league or drop in when I lived there, I noticed the fan base was more on the East side, like Chandler, Gilbert or Scottsdale.
I doubt they want to stay in Phoenix anymore, Houston would provide a clean slate, and has already proven itself a sports city. The fans stand by when their NBA/ NFL teams under perform, even when their baseball team… well… yeah… Also, that Texas is economy is going ⬆️
@@DoBap_ Arizona fans have stuck by their basketball and football teams even when they suck.... this is a double edged sword. Big caveat, Cardinals play in Scottsdale, Suns play in essentially downtown Phoenix (which is why I want them to move there at least for a few years until this Tempe thing is figured out).... dammit, I'm wrong, Cardinals play in Glendale.... did go looking and it said the Coyotes are committed to staying in Arizona.
Houston was awarded an NHL franchise for the 1999-2000 season with the condition to have a new arena in Houston because the NHL deemed the Houston Summit not suitable. When the group couldn't get a deal with the city to get a new arena the NHL awarded the franchise to Atlanta.
@@DoBap_ houston would be great for them… i still think they should get a team in phoenix, that’s a huge and also rapidly growing market. but maybe not the coyotes
Very sad for the fan base! If no solution is found in Glendale, it will be a long year of suffering for Coyotes fans. Hope this situation gets fixed and team stays in Arizona.
We Minnesotans call AZ Xcel energy center south. It’s where all the snowbirds go in the winter. That’s why there is so many Wild jerseys during an AZ vs MN game.
I don't think moving them to the Central had anything to do with the relocation. With Seattle coming in, who else would they move to the Central? The Yotes are the furthest team in the east from the Pacific division. That being said, it's certainly convenient for them to move to a Central Time Zone city (Houston or KC)
Crossing my fingers for you Coyotes fans. I remember buying a Coyotes puck with the Kachina logo on it at a Red Wings game during the Coyotes first season in 96/97. Any team that's been in the NHL for over two decades deserves to stay.
Milwaukee. Milwaukee has a new building that has the capability of ice. Milwaukee has history of hockey support. Admirals have been there for 30+ years
The 2021-22 season will be the Coyotes' final season at Gila River Arena in Glendale, so the Coyotes will have to break grounds for their new arena in nearby Tempe. In the 2022-23 season, the Coyotes will use Footprint Center in Phoenix as their temporary home until their new Tempe arena is completely built in time for the 2023-24 season.
Atlanta, Hartford, Winnipeg(mostly financial), Minnesota and now(soon, probably) Arizona. If you can’t have a venue to play out of. You will be bought and moved to somewhere that has one.
Minnesota had a venue in the barely 3-year old Target Center, but Norm Green was looking for any excuse to move the North Stars out of Minnesota. Apparently because the Target Center had Coke as a sponsor, and the North Stars were sponsored by Pepsi, that was enough to not try to make a deal. And the fact that Norm claimed he didn't want to share an arena with an NBA team, but would up doing so anyway in Dallas with Reunion Arena.
From what I've been hearing, that the Coyotes are looking to move back to the East Side of the Valley, which is looking like Tempe; OR we go back to the America West Arena or Talking Stick Arena as its called now. Which is the best part, because about 70% the fanbase and hockey fans are on the East Side of the Valley. It doesn't look like we are moving out of AZ any time soon.
They found a memo in Garry Betmans office to the city of Hamilton…….it said …Dear City of Hamilton we are sorry we can’t give you an NHL hockey team..if we do that Toronto will want one too.
I still call them the Phoenix Coyotes out of habit sometimes, it would be cool to see them return there. It makes more sense to me instead of moving them to another small AZ city like Tempe.
The death knell for the Coyotes came in 2007 when the team moved to a new arena in Glendale, a 50-60 minute rush hour drive west to the middle of nowhere, far from the teams natural demographic on the east side of Phoenix metro. Diehard hockey fan here, growing up in Detroit and willing to stand for 2 1/2 hours to watch Gordie Howe and company in standing room only section of Olympia, but unwilling to pack a bag to travel to Glendale other than Saturday night games or when Pavel Datsyuk came to town. I am not alone. Build it (an arena on the east side), and they will come.
Houston Aeros, if it has to happen. I really hope the Coyotes can find a solution in AZ though. There are some great fans there who have endured years of uncertainty and tumultuous ownership. Fingers crossed that maybe the Coyotes can negotiate something with the Phoenix Suns arena in the interim if the Tempe arena can gain some traction.
@@Shisha2025 Houston is a WAY bigger market. Likely going to pass Chicago for third largest city in the U.S. within the next five or so years. Plus the Toyota Center could already house a hockey team.
A few months ago Houston City Council approved a $150 million renovation plan for the Toyota Center. Also Coyotes ownership have visited the city of Houston several times over the last few years. Forget Quebec City. Both Gary Bettman and Geoff Molson (owner Montreal Canadiens) don't want a team there. If a team goes to Quebec City Habs owner Geoff Molson is sure to lose at least 35% of his revenue. And remember that the Canadiens are the "NHL Second Cash Cow" behind the Toronto Maple Leafs when it comes to League Generated Revenue. Also you have a "communication war" going on in the province of Quebec between Videotron Cable company owned by Pierre-Karl Péladeau who wanted to bring a team to Quebec City and Bell Media who is a major sponsor of the Montreal Canadiens. Both Videotron and Bell Media are at war and despise one another.
Legitimately just finished watching the video about the season ticket sales, where at the end you mentioned teams moving and stuff, literal seconds before this was uploaded. Uh oh.
I'd love that as a Habs fan for Quebec City to return, and they have the new stadium all ready for a team. Only problem is finding a way to make a Pacific team an Eastern/Atlantic team.
This team has struggled to make it financially in Arizona and the most logical thing to do would be to relocate the Coyotes to a market that is anxious, and will support, an NHL franchise.
@@salzerilli4789 Yes, maybe Kansas City will get another chance at the NHL. When the Scouts made their NHL debut in 1974, they were not very good and it wasn't surprising that they eventually moved to Colorado and then to New Jersey.
@@jeffthewhiff scouts is a dumb name too. I'd come up with something better. If I create an NHL team in NHL the video game I name them the Wizards. Anything but bland names. The Blues is a very cool name.
Hopefully they'll move to Houston and become the Aeros. I loved the Aeros in the 70s. Even though I live almost 400 miles from Houston I would go to a couple of games every year. I have my Terry Ruskowski jersey ready to go.
Shannon could easily be a pro journalist or reporter. Outstanding work as usual, it's so impressive the way you do these videos as single takes with no editing and no umm-ing and ahh-ing or mincing your words
@@jayscott1380 In Phoenix, its not a 20 minute drive. The I10 is a mess. When I lived in South Phoenix before the 202 expansion, I would take a half day of work off to get to a game.
Truly excellent video! Well detailed and concise to help fans of this game learn exactly what’s going on. Guy works out of a bedroom and reports on the league better than ANYONE. No wonder why teams continue to face the threat of collapse. The commissioner running this operation has been at it for a long long time. Does anyone think he’s the right leader for this league? I don’t.
As much as I would love to see the Coyotes become the Hartford Whalers or Quebec Nordiques, I think Houston has the inside track on getting them. Bettman won't overlook the 4th largest city in the U.S., and the TV market that comes with it. Either another 1-year lease agreement is magically attained with Glendale, or else you can expect an announcement within the next couple of months that they'll be moving to Houston. Either way, I feel for the fans of the team. Believe me, I know what that's like. It kills me to see the 'Canes do their money grab with the retro unis every year.
Arizona is going to have to pull what the Islanders just did in the past 4 years to try and stay in AZ. I hope they stay, but I have friends in Quebec so I wouldn't be to upset if they move their
I lived through losing a Team in Wpg.I gave my piggy bank up to try to keep the team when I was a teen.I hope the Yotes can pull it off some how and keep the team there but I dont see it happening.Sad times for the youngsters that love hockey there.
@@XaviRonaldo0 hmm probably just move the coyotes anyway to the central or in the case they did go to Portland maybe move Calgary into the central division.
@@caoticx4930 can't split up the Alberta teams. Could potentially move both to the central and move Colorado into the Pacific. Now Vancouver has Seattle for a rival there isn't a great need for another Canadian team in the division. I know Colorado is further east than Alberta but it's fairly geographically close to California
@@XaviRonaldo0 Colorado is much further east and closer to most of the central than either Alberta team. They also don't appreciate constant 8 PM local starts like Oilers and Flames fans do. If Portland came in, Vegas is likely the odd man out, just like Arizona was. It's the least movement. That said, I don't expect the Coyotes to land in Portland.
For me The Hockey Guy has completely replaced the Steve Dangle videos for all my NHL news. Shannon gets right to the point without the self-importance of Steve and his co-hosts.
ASU (Arizona State University) is in the process of building a multi-sport (mainly hockey) stadium for there student athletes. It seems like for them to temporarily stay there if it's viable for them remain in Arizona. I live in Arizona (born and raised) and have seen hockey grow in the valley mainly at ASU which brings great joy to my heart; even hearing that Mario Lemieux's son had come to play hockey for a time down here. What ever happens it's best for the franchise. Secretly wishing (if they move) head to Saskatchewan (maybe), but Houston seems more like an option now that you touched upon it. Much support from a fan in Arizona.
I think Houston Coyotes works. There are plenty of wild coyotes in the Houston area and it doesn’t sounds weird to me. It’s better than going with some new generic name. Though they would probably go with something space themed like Astros or Rockets. How about the Houston Aliens? Actually I don’t think Aliens would go over very well in Texas.
I’d love to see the Coyotes go to Saskatchewan. I know that’s probably a LONG STRETCH of a hope, but it’d be cool to see the return of the Crescents and itd be a cool look with using the current Moon logo for the Yotes as a main look got the Saskatoon team!
Saskatchewan is a CFL Provence they love the Roughriders plus you would need a new arena as the SaskTel Centre in Saskatoon is 33 Years old and slightly smaller then the Canada Life Centre in Winnipeg
Hey there Shannon; in an interview today Gary Bettman said he doesn’t see The Coyotes leaving AZ, he put it as Glendale negotiating as you put it for a longer lease; he sees them somewhere in the greater Phoenix area ultimately…
It would be awesome to see Quebec City get their Nordiques back. Has been amazing watching the Jets reignite their city and Quebec City loved their team!
They should definitely get a deal done in the central/east valley around Tempe. Easiest area in the valley to get around that isn't the middle of nowhere. Glendale is just too out there to really get everyone you need for a niche market like hockey. There's a big plot of land where the MLS team used to play and its literally right off 2 different loops and about 15 minutes from the main freeways. Plus it's not a dead area like Glendale. Makes the most sense if the owner wants to make Arizona work.
Quebec doesn't deserve nothing. When it comes to Canada as whole. Quebec thinks its is better then the rest of Canada. Houston has 7 million people. Quebec 600k. Bigger market to get money from Houston is 100% the best choice.
Glad you mentioned KC, always thought that was a market that could support hockey, potentially a solid rivalry with St Louis, but I agree Houston is prob the favorite overall
Man, what is going on with the Coyotes? First the illegal move on analyzing prospects that cost them a high first rounder, then they sell off all their players, and now there's a ton of money owed...
Quebec City has been craving a NHL team they have a built Areana for a team, their Fans have been asking and even people from Montreal wants a team in Quebec City
I am from Québec City... I can tell you it suck for a little while, then you figure out how to change the channel. Plenty of (most of the time even better) hockey to be had, especially in the 21st century with live and delayed streaming...
I hear about the possibility of a new arena in Tempe (near ASU), but I’m skeptical about any attempt to build a new arena in the market unless the owner is putting up all the dough himself (not sure the voting public has much appetite for it)
@@huntercopeland9371 if he’s willing to put all that money into it then go on ahead, but I’ve never heard of an owner volunteer to pay for something he could get for free
In my opinion, Houston and Quebec City will be the two cities that are going to be fighting each other for this team. Both cities have wanted a team(or their team back) for years! Houston would give Dallas a rival, and Quebec puts another team in Canada. I think both would make money and be successful. Personally, I think Houston makes more sense RIGHT NOW, as they have an owner, a building, a fanbase, and everything. It will be interesting to watch and see what transpires for this franchise. Man, I feel bad for Coyotes fans. They've been through a lot.
Quebec has a brand new 300 million dollar arena that fits over 18,000 fans and is the largest hockey arena in North America that doesn’t have an NHL team playing in it.
As much as I love the idea of the Nordiques coming back, its probably going to be Houston. Ownership is from the South, Texas’ economy is booming, and provides a far bigger market.
@@SpaceFarmer7 Toyota center can also seat 18,000 for basketball/hockey and Houston Metro area has a 7 million population compared to Quebec Cities 550ish. It's about money right now for the league not nostalgia.
Tempe seems like the best option for them in the Phoenix area. Most of the yotes season ticket holders live in the east valley as well. People who don’t live here really don’t understand how many hockey fans live here. The team did just put in a bid for land in Tempe and it was the only bid received. We will see how that goes but hopefully the city of Tempe approves it. Would be amazing!
Move them to Tempe temporary, and then potentially to old town Scottsdale, or maybe east of Scottsdale, there is land! They will do so much better than Glendale. You're absolutely right, we took a trip to go see the Yotes, stayed in Scottsdale and then drove to Glendale just for the game and left.
I lived in tempe for a time from Detroit. The drive to Glendale was like the same drive from Detroit to the silver dome. There are fans in the East valley. Move them there and the fans will come
@@davidkruse4030 The drive to Glendale from Gilbert, especially on a work night is just too far. East valley is home to a lot of people. I think Tempe could work.
Tempe most likely. Agreed that Houston and KC are the immediate next-likelys. Long-shots are SLC Utah - why not?, New Orleans - which would be fun, and San Diego (a town with not much else to root for these days).
@Geo me cards Yes sir, it was worse when I went to college down south, that was an 8 hour drive. I know it's cliche to call Texas big but it really is big lol.
As someone who lives in Arizona. Downtown Phoenix is a nightmare when it comes to sports venues. They are on top of each other basically, across the street from each other. And when Baseball is in season, which is majority of the year its even worse. But fan base wise it's split. Some do and some don't want the team to move back down town
I think if in the future the NHL expands to say 34 teams, I think Kansas City should have a second chance at an NHL franchise. Besides Atlanta, Minnesota and Colorado had second chances at an NHL franchise (also the Winnipeg Jets).
Brings new meaning to the quote Houston, we’ve had a problem here. it's time to move the franchise out of the State of Arizona. Of course I wish it was back to Canada but Houston is more likely. Space Coyotes go to the Houston Space Center and the team is now called the Houston Starships.
Argument for relocation for Houston: Almost no Houstonians have a loyalty to an NHL team, while Quebec City has a large population that is loyal to an NHL team. So if the league wants to grow, don’t just move fans, make new fans
Argument against relocation to Houston: Why get less money short term when the NHL could extort someone in Houston in 5-10 Years for a License fee over $1 Billion USD Yotes need to be relocated to a safe hockey market and the only place that is safe is Canada
I hope they find a way to stay in Arizona, it seems like they have a good plan on the ice moving forward and if prefer to see Justin as an expansion team.
Clearly this new ownership is committed to staying in the Valley. I don’t for see them relocating to Quebec or Houston sorry for those who are hoping for that. I believe a deal with Tempe is closer than what we realize. Glendale doesn’t want to look stupid so they decided to say what they said because they know the Coyotes will be leaving. And they want the door to hit them on the way out
You say they’re gone but know nothing of the current situation with the new arena deal and new owner. Lots of ignorance and just straight up false information in these comments. Coyotes are staying in Phoenix there’s no doubt about it. Just where the new arena will be and when it will be ready are the biggest challenges.
As a Coyote fan their are 3 possible options in the Phoenix metro area. Glendale. The Suns arena downtown. Where they started with the obstructed views. Or the old colosseum at the Phoenix fair grounds. A new building would take a couple years to build. So there are no good options. As ticket holder this season I am disappointed with the news and with the direction of this team has taken. It seems like we are tanking the season ready to move and win the draft lottery. With a new city and number one pick.
Moving to Glendale was the worst decision ever. They’ll work something out in Tempe or Scottsdale and nearly 80% of premium season ticket holders are in the east valley. Shame we lost so many years to a boneheaded decision but I really think this might be the beginning of a really healthy Arizona hockey franchise (finally).
I really hope something gets worked out in AZ. Coyotes fans have been through enough and I think people really overrate the potential of a Houston team. Phoenix is a huge city with a lot of midwest transplants who love hockey. I also think the move to the Central Division would have been great for the Coyotes, as it’d greatly increase the number of games they’d play against the Blackhawks, Wild, Blues and Stars.
Houston is the 4th largest city in the US and the 5th largest metro area. It's potential is not overrated. That being said, I hope the Coyotes stay. Especially now that the team is finally looking like it has a plan.
Lived in AZ for 20 years loving the Yotes, moved to STL recently so I've been looking forward to the move to the central.... now if they are possibly moving I guess I have to hope for them to go to KC? Ugh it's tiring.
@@geoff3103 can't take the hurricanes. The hurricanes are in the east. I don't think Carolina is an inherently bad market either. The most important thing is that the team is successful at least in part. People forget that the Penguins were on the verge of relocating until Mario Lemieux stepped in to buy the team. I'd like a team in Houston or Kansas City, but I don't see a way for that to happen without Arizona relocating. I don't really want the Coyotes to move. Problem is that there are more than 32 places where teams would be supported. Obviously Quebec City, but I also wouldn't mind seeing another team in the Toronto Metro. And I wish Atlanta got a shot with a decent team and more competent ownership. It's one of the reasons I don't hate the idea of expanding beyond 32 teams. Obviously a tricky business because of talent diffusion, but if you could grow the game in the southern US it would help the talent shortage. You need look no further than Auston Matthews to see that at work.
@@UltimateBreloom I don't doubt that Houston's a bigger market than Phoenix, but I do doubt its relative affinity for hockey. The Coyotes have been there for 20 years now, have a steady supply of hockey fans from up north and a growing interest in the sport from the people who've grown up in the Valley. On a long enough timeline, I'm sure Houston could be a better hockey city, but Phoenix being the 5th largest city in the US and having already established its hockey roots there would mean the Coyotes would be walking out on only a slightly smaller market. Not to mention, they would have to start the last 20 years of establishing themselves in the city all over again.
Shannon, the Coyotes would do great in Scottsdale or Tempe. 77% of the season ticket holders live in the East Valley. The arena is an hour away currently in the West Valley. Build the arena in the East Valley and they'll do fine.
I speak for myself but im sure a lot of Coyotes fan would agree id rather die than be a Vegas fan, despise that team and the dirty plays from Reaves and Stone constantly. Team can kick rocks. I honestly over the years have grown to hate them more than LA but thats just because LA has been bad the past years lol
I really feel bad for this fan base. They’ve been through enough
It’s literally non stop misery, failure, and sadness.
Fr. All 10 of them must be really sad
At least it’s minimal people going through the misery
sad awoo
We are
As an Arizona coyotes fan, it seems like it’s something new every single day. Always something about this team moving or losing picks and money, extremely frustrating as a fan of this team
You exist?
@@TealCypress unfortunately
Agreed
That sucks man
@@LGN8R it really does some days, especially since the team has been terrible all since I’ve been watching hockey
Might explain why the Coyotes are in fact dumping contracts left and right and setting up a potential relocation with multiple draft picks, it makes the prospect of owning this franchise that much more interesting
Also the payroll being low. Larry Pleau did the same thing when selling the Blues in the early 2000's. Pronger was gone due to lowering of budget to make the numbers more attractive for a new owner.
@@HobaginsSTL Yep, a lot of those contracts are on tail ends where the actual paid money is a lot lower than the cap hit because of how they're structured. The operational cost is less than actual cap usage.
@@HobaginsSTL But that backfired. No one wanted to buy a team of losers. Those were dark times.
@@spicy734 yeah man, that suuuuuucked.
The Houston Aeros are going to come in with a fresh rebuild roster if they relocate.
The important thing here is, how does this affect the Leafs? If The Coyotes leave Arizona, does that mean Matthews will stay a Leaf forever? It's important to make this about the Leafs.
lmao goat
Matthews wouldn't go to Arizona no celebrities there. He would go to the kings, ducks, or rangers. The Los Angeles teams are close to Arizona anyways.
leafs belong in dumpster
@@combsalex2361 That's just wrong to say. Leafs belong in compost.
TSN be like
I remember all those years ago the Coyotes were done and moving to Winnipeg. Was shocked they were staying. And like out of nowhere Atlanta is moving. I feel bad for Thrashers fans, they didn’t even get to say goodbye.
The biggest issue was that the NHL propped up Arizona instead of Atlanta. I honestly feel that if the Thrashers were owned by a good owner that actually wanted the team and spent money on them, that they would have actually been successful
Didnt FLAMES - Move to Calgary ?
@@holoholopainen1627 Yep.
the real losers are the fans who have stood by the team. sad to hear this news story
I always feel for any fans of a team that gets relocated, they get betrayed by their fellow fans and franchise they've supported for years.
It happens!
They only have one fan Shane Doan haha coyotes friggin suck
@@jeffsframe9927 ya sure there was haha 👍
I mean being from Atlanta and being an ex thrashers fan I have a hard time feeling bad especially because of how adamant the NHL was on keeping Arizona but we’re so quick on letting the Thrashers go
The NHL Coyotes with their new GM Barry Gettman.
Soon to be Houston Coyotes.
I just imagine Bettman(or Gettman has you put it) calling up Edmonton like “if you don’t give us Mcdavid I’m moving your team to Saskatchewan.”
Give Quebec back their team. Them Frenchies are maybe the most hardcore hockey fans in the world. There's enough Poutine to support two Frenchie clubs. Saying this as an Oilers fan.
@@godbobo4088 A team in Saskatchewan would work. Low population province sure, but look at the support for their CFL Roughriders team. People would drive 1, 2, 3, 4 hours in Sask to watch an NHL team. Compare that to Arizona, where you can ask people on the street about If they like the Coyotes, and they'll say "what, like the wild dog 🐕?"
@@markkruda3834 true, however I’m a Blue Bombers fan so to have those guys come over here that would annoy the piss out of me.
Gila River arena is one of the nicest NHL arenas I've ever been to. Unfortunately it's really too far away from Phoenix to make anyone from the East valley want to go to the West valley for games. That has always been the problem. It's not central
I agree with that 100%. I live in the east valley and hate that drive to Glendale. I'm not a Yote fan but like to see other teams. Tempe would be ideal for me.
Mitch: I live in Glendale. Right down the street as a matter of fact. Hugely disapointing for me and the rest of the loyals here. I don't see what "Major Rehab" the Gila River Arena needs myself. The Coyotes have done NOTHING but fuss. They're like a spoiled kid that gets whatever he wants. Threats by the team to move to Tempe were heard loud and clear; That's why they're asses will be on the street! A loosing team, with a pissed off fan base isn't the answer for Glendale. There are alot of better places for the city to flush their money down the toilet than the Coyotes! As a fan, I'm upset. I really don't have pitty for Coyotes Management here; Ya gotta pay the bills! Sadly....... Without NHL HOCKEY in Glendale, the Gila River Arena will be a ghost town! When they started dumping contracts, I thought it was so they could obtain a quality player that the fan base could then get behind the team. We all loose!
Truth. I lived near downtown Mesa. It took me over an hour to get to Glendale
(with traffic). That hike is no joke.
I live in the West Valley (Surprise) and it's great to have NHL hockey just a hop over in Glendale. But, the population base in the West Valley just isn't enough to survive and folks won't drive from the East Valley to watch a losing team. I love the Yotes, I have an 11-game package and will enjoy every moment of it (Gila River Arena is a nice facility). I'm hoping they work out the deal with Tempe (smack dab in the population center - ASU (has a hockey team), Phoenix, Scottsdale, and Mesa), but we have to be realistic and know there's a big chance they'll wind up leaving AZ. It'll be disappointing, but it is a business and the NHL has been propping them up for years. Should the Yotes move, it would be great if they could move an AHL team here. I lived in the Denver area when they brought in the Denver Grizzlies for 1 year before the Avalanche was moved to Denver, games were a blast.
Location is a very underrated problem. I remember when the Senators moved from the Civic Center to the Palladium. Great area but it's a 20 minute drive from downtown Ottawa. Not to mention, the dumbest of them all: Sunrise, FL. There's a reason Vegas plays on the strip and not out in Spring Valley.
That 2011-2012 season feels like it was a lifetime ago.
No shit. It was fun though.
Was that when you guys made it to the third round?
@@tydance8865 Yep. Our lone "successful" season.
It really does. God damn those were good times. The entire city was behind them, the local news actually dedicated more than their usual 15 seconds of air time taking about the Coyotes. It truly felt like that was the light at the end of an very dark and long tunnel. And then they never made the playoffs again save for the COVID play in tournament.
As a Vancouver Grizzlie fan I/we know the hardships when the writing is on the wall. As a long time NBA fan, that event had us parting ways eventually. When Nash went to the Lakers to build super teams.....See ya!
I have a friend who lives in Phoenix. A few years ago I went out there and we went to a game. She said that every home game feels like a road game because there's always more jerseys and cheering for the opposing teams. They do heavily rely on tourist money. The entertainment district with the arena is beautiful, and maybe 5-10 minutes from there the Cardinals play football. They run a first class facility. Truly a shame that they can't make it work.
Cardinals play across the street. Gila River Arena and the Westgate district are great. It's just across the valley from the population center, although the West Valley is growing fast.
I'm a wings fan, but I was super pumped to see the yotes bring back the Kachina Logo. As a kid I loved them solely for their logo, and the dope crescent moon center ice painting they used to do.
A move to Houston and a return of the Aeros makes sense. The Houston Metro area is HUGE with over 6 million folks plus you have an instant rivalry with Dallas. Feel bad for Arizona but it has been a franchise full of drama and questions forever.
They won't call them the aeros...they will give them a horrible name just like kracken or ducks 🤡🤡🤡
@@aaronjohnson3463 I do like how the Seattle Kraken show some respect to their roots (Seattle Metropolitans) with the "S" on the jersey. I'm sure they will do even more with their 3rd jersey in the future.
Metro Houston is only 33 percent white, and it seems to be losing whites in both numbers and population. In ten years, it will only probably be around 25 percent white.
@@willp.8120 What's your point exactly? Hockey is not a "white" only sport. I don't think race is a concern when the Greater Houston Metro area has almost 7 million people.
@@schumdav Metro Houston has 2.4 million whites or so. Yes, it might work, but given demographics changing, it may not have long term success. NHL fans are about 99 percent white, so you can't consider that those of other races will contribute to the fan base.
As a Yotes fan, I was happy to hear the howling coyote was retired and bringing back the white kachina. Hearing this news makes me nervous, about the future of my team. I'm hoping for some good news that they are staying in Arizona but honestly, I have a feeling the team will be relocating somewhere else when the lease is up and that will be it for hockey in the Arizona
I guess, if worst comes to worst, hopefully the team can find a home where you still have no qualms rooting for them...
When the NHL put a team in Vegas it doomed the Coyotes. I know it hurts, but Vegas is only a few hours north, especially if I-11 ever gets finished. Become a Knights fan where we have different issues but the team is sound.
@@sparkywildcat8174 I probably will just join the rest of my family and root for the Wings instead.
i hope they find a home in tempe or somewhere in arizona from a canucks fan. but if they sadly cant hopefully they go to quebec city. because then they get a team to support. but i doubt the coyotes will move because bettman needs a team in the desert. maybe a new arena will bring more fans to the team
@@sparkywildcat8174 No, it was when the Coyotes moved away from any corporate support they had in Scottsdale, and way out to the boonies in Glendale, was the beginning of the end of the Coyotes.
Constructing an arena in a suburb is usually not a good idea.
The Suns make the NBA finals and the Coyotes get evicted. Great. lol
They play in different cities.
We had to sacrifice 1 arizona team for the suns playoffs 🤷
@@lionelrust4896 bruh don't give me that technicality crap. Glendale might as well be Phoenix
@@HAA0603 lol this guy called ovechkin a choke artist? You do realize ovechkin showed up every playoff right? It’s not his fault that the team he plays on can’t support him like the pens support Crosby. Btw Chris Paul played with multiple injuries especially a torn ligament in his hand which is huge in the nba, the bucks were supposed to win they had the better team. Losers like you can’t do anything in life so you talk smack about those who do, get a life
@@painnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Ovechkin certainly has had poor playoff seasons
Houston Aeros hockey is one of the greatest WHA stories in hockey history, the next two clubs would be the Winnipeg Jets and Quebec Nordiques from that league and era. Houston is a huge sports city: anything Dallas, NY or LA is a call of duty for their legion of fans! This is a no brainer.
Houston vs Dallas could be a sweet rivalry! Battle of Texas
Live in Houston, can confirm. We hate every Dallas sports team, the Dodgers, and the Yankees
@@CTBGoomba Thank you for comfirming this, I will contact Bettman at head office :)
The wandering Coyotes, let's hope they don't find themselves into Stanley Park. Oh wait, that's the wrong Coyotes.
Great comment lol
Find there way into Quebec, Sask, or Hamilton like the good Lord intended
Yeah these Coyotes aren’t going anywhere near anything named after a Stanley
They may as well wander onto quebec. (pheonix coyotes to arizona coyotes, i didn't even notice this change)
I don't understand this comment. Is this the Stanley Park in Vancouver British Columbia. Why would a Coyote wander into that park. I assume there are coyotes in that park in any case, as the Coyote, or Canis Latrans, is found all across the North American Continent. So why would we fear the Coyote, which as I stated is already a likely resident, entering a large protected park. It seems ideal. You must explain this comment please.
As an ASU student, seeing the team move close to Tempe is so exciting. But now with the news that dropped about an hour ago, they will be locked out of Gila River soon if they don't pay arena fee - gonna be interesting to see where they will play. Season ticket holders are probably so happy right now (sarcasm)
I'm not on the relocation train. Even as a Canadian. I feel for the Coyotes fanbase and it would suck to see something Thrashers-like happening again. Hopefully they go to Tempe. Sounds like there's a decent shot of success there. Just need a proper building.
Completely disagree. Canada does not have enough hockey teams and Arizona “fans” have proven that they can’t support this franchise. They’ve had their chance now move them somewhere so the rink can have more than 35% capacity
I agree... As someone who loved the Thrashers seeing them leave was very sad. I was happy the Jets were back in Winnipeg, but the Thrashers being no more still stings. I think this team moving somewhere else in Arizona is more likely... But Houston would be the next likely stop.
No one in the Southwest is very into hockey, unless they're a transplant or snowbird. When I lived in SoCal, most people thought the Ducks were a minor league team. They literally don't care. In a market like Glendale, that's basically the Phoenix metro area. They're competing for attention with football and basketball, which are just much more popular in the states.
Contrast that with Quebec City, where people are hockey mad. They have a built-in audience forever. They had crappy owners in the past as the Nordiques, but with the right ownership group and right strategy they could make a ton of money. It should be a no-brainer. The NHL always seems to have a bug up its ass about francophones and French language media. But it's the right place to be. It's a market that will support a team.
They'll be able to pay the rent in Quebec, at least.
@@rebekah7635 Glendale really isn't the metro area though. It's so much further out of the way from central Phoenix than places like Scottsdale and Tempe.
They need to relocate just not to Quebec City. Houston is their most likely destination.
Gary Bettman to Arizona: "I wish you good fortune in the wars to come."
Makes you wonder if part of the reason they went back to the Kachina is because they knew this was coming and if they moved outside of Arizona, they would no longer being the Coyotes so having the Kachina back for their final season would be a good send off? Makes you wonder a little now that this has come out.
Ugh that makes sense... also makes me really sad.
They've been wearing the Kachina the last two seasons
I live in Phoenix, actually Scottsdale, and even I don't go to Glendale very often. I really believe it has more to do with them being way over in Glendale than being in Arizona in general. Most people in the Phoenix area won't consider going to a game because they don't feel like driving 30 minutes to 2 hours to get to the arena. If you put them in a central, or even better, east valley location the attendance and revenue would sky rocket and they wouldn't have to move to another city.
I used to get free tickets, but still wasn't worth it most of the time driving from Chandler area. But that was before 202 expansion
Very similar to the Devils moving from the Meadowlands to Newark. It's easier to get to Newark from NYC than from suburban Jersey.
And having to paying taxes for the privilege of being ****ed!
Good riddance!
Yeah Charlie, I hear that quite often, that if the team was located in Scottsdale there wouldn't as many financial problems. I mean, getting off work at 5:00 PM on a Tuesday evening, rush home to p/u the family and drive across the valley to Glendale for 7:00PM game and doing so for 41 games a season doesn't motivate people to buy season's tickets. It might be OK 8 Sundays a season where you can spend all day tailgating for the NFL but doesn't work for the NHL. We know people who bought retirement properties in Scottsdale during the real estate bust in 2008 from here in Vancouver who say the NHL would make it in Scottsdale.
Arizona is the only place I know where people complain about driving 30 min to a game. That’s not far at all. If you don’t want to drive 30 min for a sporting event then it’s because the team sucks, not because the drive is far. I do agree that an arena in Tempe or Scottsdale would be better, but seriously people act like Glendale is sooo far when it’s not
@@GoudaGoudaGouda It is during the weekday. And as one that played league or drop in when I lived there, I noticed the fan base was more on the East side, like Chandler, Gilbert or Scottsdale.
Was looking so forward to this video the second I heard the news
@@TheEmpressMouse haha yup
When I heard the news, this channel was the first place I went to.
Houston might get a team after years of being left out…
If they want to stay in Phoenix, then probably should work with the Suns or ASU.
I doubt they want to stay in Phoenix anymore, Houston would provide a clean slate, and has already proven itself a sports city. The fans stand by when their NBA/ NFL teams under perform, even when their baseball team… well… yeah…
Also, that Texas is economy is going ⬆️
@@DoBap_ Arizona fans have stuck by their basketball and football teams even when they suck.... this is a double edged sword. Big caveat, Cardinals play in Scottsdale, Suns play in essentially downtown Phoenix (which is why I want them to move there at least for a few years until this Tempe thing is figured out).... dammit, I'm wrong, Cardinals play in Glendale.... did go looking and it said the Coyotes are committed to staying in Arizona.
Houston was awarded an NHL franchise for the 1999-2000 season with the condition to have a new arena in Houston because the NHL deemed the Houston Summit not suitable. When the group couldn't get a deal with the city to get a new arena the NHL awarded the franchise to Atlanta.
@@sylvainbeaulieu6300 and by then it was Toyota Center.
@@DoBap_ houston would be great for them… i still think they should get a team in phoenix, that’s a huge and also rapidly growing market. but maybe not the coyotes
Very sad for the fan base! If no solution is found in Glendale, it will be a long year of suffering for Coyotes fans. Hope this situation gets fixed and team stays in Arizona.
We Minnesotans call AZ Xcel energy center south. It’s where all the snowbirds go in the winter. That’s why there is so many Wild jerseys during an AZ vs MN game.
As a Canadian, the North Stars' relocation to Dallas is still distasteful for me.
I went last year to Arizona and I think the arena and atmosphere and the area around it is great tbh
Moving the ‘Yotes to the Central was the first step to moving the team to Houston. Maybe KC but more like Houston.
I don't think moving them to the Central had anything to do with the relocation. With Seattle coming in, who else would they move to the Central? The Yotes are the furthest team in the east from the Pacific division.
That being said, it's certainly convenient for them to move to a Central Time Zone city (Houston or KC)
Crossing my fingers for you Coyotes fans. I remember buying a Coyotes puck with the Kachina logo on it at a Red Wings game during the Coyotes first season in 96/97. Any team that's been in the NHL for over two decades deserves to stay.
Milwaukee. Milwaukee has a new building that has the capability of ice. Milwaukee has history of hockey support. Admirals have been there for 30+ years
Milwaukee should have an NHL team, not a minor league affiliate of an NHL team in Nashville....which was never necessary in the first place!
@@geoff3103 you know why the nba hate the nhl because hockey is growing and nba see that as a threat
The 2021-22 season will be the Coyotes' final season at Gila River Arena in Glendale, so the Coyotes will have to break grounds for their new arena in nearby Tempe. In the 2022-23 season, the Coyotes will use Footprint Center in Phoenix as their temporary home until their new Tempe arena is completely built in time for the 2023-24 season.
Time to move to Huston and call it a day. Keeps everything in line as far as conferences and divisons.
Atlanta, Hartford, Winnipeg(mostly financial), Minnesota and now(soon, probably) Arizona. If you can’t have a venue to play out of. You will be bought and moved to somewhere that has one.
Minnesota had a venue in the barely 3-year old Target Center, but Norm Green was looking for any excuse to move the North Stars out of Minnesota. Apparently because the Target Center had Coke as a sponsor, and the North Stars were sponsored by Pepsi, that was enough to not try to make a deal. And the fact that Norm claimed he didn't want to share an arena with an NBA team, but would up doing so anyway in Dallas with Reunion Arena.
From what I've been hearing, that the Coyotes are looking to move back to the East Side of the Valley, which is looking like Tempe; OR we go back to the America West Arena or Talking Stick Arena as its called now. Which is the best part, because about 70% the fanbase and hockey fans are on the East Side of the Valley.
It doesn't look like we are moving out of AZ any time soon.
I really hope we can stay in Arizona Tempe would work for sure
Tempe is a dump
@@Mathieuacc Arizona is a dump.
Coyotes bled money like no tomorrow when they were in Phoenix, where is the logic that makes them somehow economically viable in the suburbs today?
They found a memo in Garry Betmans office to the city of Hamilton…….it said …Dear City of Hamilton we are sorry we can’t give you an NHL hockey team..if we do that Toronto will want one too.
I still call them the Phoenix Coyotes out of habit sometimes, it would be cool to see them return there. It makes more sense to me instead of moving them to another small AZ city like Tempe.
Well they never really left Phoenix. Glendale is just a suburban of Phoenix.
Tempe, Glendale, phoenix are all the same 20 minutes tops driving distance. Less for Tempe to Phoenix, that's like 5 minutes.
^Glendale and Tempe are both suburbs of it
@@jayscott1380 Yeah, sorry I just meant in terms of naming. Glendale, Scottsdale, Tempe... it's all still Phoenix.
@@1985jimmydean that's what I was saying, basically just agreeing with you.
The death knell for the Coyotes came in 2007 when the team moved to a new arena in Glendale, a 50-60 minute rush hour drive west to the middle of nowhere, far from the teams natural demographic on the east side of Phoenix metro. Diehard hockey fan here, growing up in Detroit and willing to stand for 2 1/2 hours to watch Gordie Howe and company in standing room only section of Olympia, but unwilling to pack a bag to travel to Glendale other than Saturday night games or when Pavel Datsyuk came to town. I am not alone. Build it (an arena on the east side), and they will come.
What’s sad about this is that for Arizona, it has been building up all of these years. I do feel bad for those fans that do support the team.
Should've just moved them 10 years ago and avoided all the extra grief and heartache.
Tempe is a more centrally location for the Phoenix area. It is where ASU and the airport are located.
Houston Aeros, if it has to happen. I really hope the Coyotes can find a solution in AZ though. There are some great fans there who have endured years of uncertainty and tumultuous ownership. Fingers crossed that maybe the Coyotes can negotiate something with the Phoenix Suns arena in the interim if the Tempe arena can gain some traction.
bring the aeros back!...to Dayton
They used to be in the Suns arena then they left in 2005
Would it make more sense to move to Houston or Austin Texas?
@@Shisha2025 Houston is a WAY bigger market. Likely going to pass Chicago for third largest city in the U.S. within the next five or so years. Plus the Toyota Center could already house a hockey team.
All the suns fans wouldn’t want them there
A few months ago Houston City Council approved a $150 million renovation plan for the Toyota Center. Also Coyotes ownership have visited the city of Houston several times over the last few years.
Forget Quebec City. Both Gary Bettman and Geoff Molson (owner Montreal Canadiens) don't want a team there. If a team goes to Quebec City Habs owner Geoff Molson is sure to lose at least 35% of his revenue. And remember that the Canadiens are the "NHL Second Cash Cow" behind the Toronto Maple Leafs when it comes to League Generated Revenue.
Also you have a "communication war" going on in the province of Quebec between Videotron Cable company owned by Pierre-Karl Péladeau who wanted to bring a team to Quebec City and Bell Media who is a major sponsor of the Montreal Canadiens. Both Videotron and Bell Media are at war and despise one another.
People like to bring up relocation a lot when it comes to bad teams but this genuinely sounds like a relocation might be coming soon.
Houston Space Coyotes with the purple Kachina head jersey, Betman I will be waiting for my check in the mail.
Legitimately just finished watching the video about the season ticket sales, where at the end you mentioned teams moving and stuff, literal seconds before this was uploaded. Uh oh.
As a long-time Yotes fan, I really hope they move to the veterans memorial coliseum permanently or until a new arena in Tempe is ready.
_[ distant "hon hon hon" in the background ]_
CROISSANT!!!!!
I'd love that as a Habs fan for Quebec City to return, and they have the new stadium all ready for a team. Only problem is finding a way to make a Pacific team an Eastern/Atlantic team.
This team has struggled to make it financially in Arizona and the most logical thing to do would be to relocate the Coyotes to a market that is anxious, and will support, an NHL franchise.
I think also the fact that they are in the central now puts the prospect of an NHL team in Houston Kansas City or Milwaukee increased
@@apelle.18 Yes, no question about it.
@@apelle.18 it would be cool if KC got a team.. then the blues would have a in-state rival.
@@salzerilli4789 Yes, maybe Kansas City will get another chance at the NHL. When the Scouts made their NHL debut in 1974, they were not very good and it wasn't surprising that they eventually moved to Colorado and then to New Jersey.
@@jeffthewhiff scouts is a dumb name too. I'd come up with something better. If I create an NHL team in NHL the video game I name them the Wizards. Anything but bland names. The Blues is a very cool name.
Hopefully they'll move to Houston and become the Aeros. I loved the Aeros in the 70s. Even though I live almost 400 miles from Houston I would go to a couple of games every year. I have my Terry Ruskowski jersey ready to go.
Potential Hugheston Aeros players:
Jack Hughes
Quinn Hughes
Luke Hughes
Auston-Matt Hughes
Another Jack Hughes
I see what you did there with “Hugheston”
I think the short term lease occurs but they move to Houston in 2-3 years.
Shannon could easily be a pro journalist or reporter. Outstanding work as usual, it's so impressive the way you do these videos as single takes with no editing and no umm-ing and ahh-ing or mincing your words
Coyotes would do really well in Tempe, ASU hockey is huge here
That’s where they’ll be going
That was my hope, wasn't sure to what degree hockey would fare in ASU a decade or so ago, but glad to know it's going well there! :-)
And Tempe neighbors Scottsdale to the north and closer to the east valley which has just been growing exponentially.
Does a 20 minutes drive really make the difference between it working or not? Big difference between NHL ticket prices and your $10 NCAA admission.
@@jayscott1380 In Phoenix, its not a 20 minute drive. The I10 is a mess. When I lived in South Phoenix before the 202 expansion, I would take a half day of work off to get to a game.
Truly excellent video! Well detailed and concise to help fans of this game learn exactly what’s going on. Guy works out of a bedroom and reports on the league better than ANYONE. No wonder why teams continue to face the threat of collapse. The commissioner running this operation has been at it for a long long time. Does anyone think he’s the right leader for this league? I don’t.
1. I fully expect them to go to Houston
2. Guess who just jumped up my list of teams to go see my Nashville Predators play on the road.
They’re probably staying in AZ but a different city
@@VerseVault324 I hope so - still, I hope they work on increasing the number of sheets of ice and quality of youth hockey in the area.
As much as I would love to see the Coyotes become the Hartford Whalers or Quebec Nordiques, I think Houston has the inside track on getting them. Bettman won't overlook the 4th largest city in the U.S., and the TV market that comes with it. Either another 1-year lease agreement is magically attained with Glendale, or else you can expect an announcement within the next couple of months that they'll be moving to Houston.
Either way, I feel for the fans of the team. Believe me, I know what that's like. It kills me to see the 'Canes do their money grab with the retro unis every year.
Arizona is going to have to pull what the Islanders just did in the past 4 years to try and stay in AZ. I hope they stay, but I have friends in Quebec so I wouldn't be to upset if they move their
they wont relocate to Canada trust me
They will move to houston. There is no way they move to Quebec. That would throw out the alignment entirely.
I would watch the Nordiques!
@To Release is To Resolve bettman's not gonna allow that
@Thomas H The Canadian Dollar was in the shitter in the 90s, it's a lot better now.
I lived through losing a Team in Wpg.I gave my piggy bank up to try to keep the team when I was a teen.I hope the Yotes can pull it off some how and keep the team there but I dont see it happening.Sad times for the youngsters that love hockey there.
I’m cheering for the team wherever they end up. I don’t even live in Arizona so it wouldn’t be THAT big of a deal for me
Portland might be an interesting location to move the team as well...no professional teams other than NBA and it most certainly could sustain them.
@@caoticx4930 who you going to move to the central?
@@XaviRonaldo0 hmm probably just move the coyotes anyway to the central or in the case they did go to Portland maybe move Calgary into the central division.
@@caoticx4930 can't split up the Alberta teams. Could potentially move both to the central and move Colorado into the Pacific. Now Vancouver has Seattle for a rival there isn't a great need for another Canadian team in the division. I know Colorado is further east than Alberta but it's fairly geographically close to California
@@XaviRonaldo0 Colorado is much further east and closer to most of the central than either Alberta team. They also don't appreciate constant 8 PM local starts like Oilers and Flames fans do.
If Portland came in, Vegas is likely the odd man out, just like Arizona was. It's the least movement.
That said, I don't expect the Coyotes to land in Portland.
i do hope quebec get them.. plus it will be another great reason to visit a nice city
For me The Hockey Guy has completely replaced the Steve Dangle videos for all my NHL news. Shannon gets right to the point without the self-importance of Steve and his co-hosts.
He's a biased Leaf fan, which he makes no bones about, so it gets tired fast. Shannon has very minimal bias.
Even Steve Dangle likes the Hockey Guy lol
Loved Dangle when he did the Habs livestream postseason run, but the constant bashing of Bergevin because of the Logan Mailloux drafting, not so much.
Facts
Although I will say I still like Steve’s “They lost to a 42-year old Zamboni driver who works for the team” video. It’s a UA-cam classic.
ASU (Arizona State University) is in the process of building a multi-sport (mainly hockey) stadium for there student athletes. It seems like for them to temporarily stay there if it's viable for them remain in Arizona. I live in Arizona (born and raised) and have seen hockey grow in the valley mainly at ASU which brings great joy to my heart; even hearing that Mario Lemieux's son had come to play hockey for a time down here. What ever happens it's best for the franchise. Secretly wishing (if they move) head to Saskatchewan (maybe), but Houston seems more like an option now that you touched upon it. Much support from a fan in Arizona.
I think Houston Coyotes works. There are plenty of wild coyotes in the Houston area and it doesn’t sounds weird to me. It’s better than going with some new generic name. Though they would probably go with something space themed like Astros or Rockets. How about the Houston Aliens? Actually I don’t think Aliens would go over very well in Texas.
I’d love to see the Coyotes go to Saskatchewan. I know that’s probably a LONG STRETCH of a hope, but it’d be cool to see the return of the Crescents and itd be a cool look with using the current Moon logo for the Yotes as a main look got the Saskatoon team!
Saskatchewan is a CFL Provence they love the Roughriders plus you would need a new arena as the SaskTel Centre in Saskatoon is 33 Years old and slightly smaller then the Canada Life Centre in Winnipeg
Hey there Shannon; in an interview today Gary Bettman said he doesn’t see The Coyotes leaving AZ, he put it as Glendale negotiating as you put it for a longer lease; he sees them somewhere in the greater Phoenix area ultimately…
It would be awesome to see Quebec City get their Nordiques back. Has been amazing watching the Jets reignite their city and Quebec City loved their team!
Damn, I always liked the Yotes. This is a bummer but expected
They should definitely get a deal done in the central/east valley around Tempe. Easiest area in the valley to get around that isn't the middle of nowhere. Glendale is just too out there to really get everyone you need for a niche market like hockey. There's a big plot of land where the MLS team used to play and its literally right off 2 different loops and about 15 minutes from the main freeways. Plus it's not a dead area like Glendale. Makes the most sense if the owner wants to make Arizona work.
And from this day forward they became known as the Houston Coyotes... All joking aside I do hope this gets resolved for the fans.
Toronto St Pats!
“Coyotes” would not make sense in Houston. How about “Aeros” or “Cosmos” or “Apollos”, considering that Houston is Space City?
Your Atlanta video was the first thing I thought of when I heard the news tbh. Feel bad for AZ hockey fans with all this uncertainty
Quebec deserves to have a team and honestly that's the best spot in my opinion
Probably going to Houston, makes sense as Quebec would screw up the divisions, and ownership is from the South.
Quebec doesn't deserve nothing. When it comes to Canada as whole. Quebec thinks its is better then the rest of Canada.
Houston has 7 million people.
Quebec 600k. Bigger market to get money from
Houston is 100% the best choice.
Glad you mentioned KC, always thought that was a market that could support hockey, potentially a solid rivalry with St Louis, but I agree Houston is prob the favorite overall
Man, what is going on with the Coyotes? First the illegal move on analyzing prospects that cost them a high first rounder, then they sell off all their players, and now there's a ton of money owed...
Quebec City has been craving a NHL team they have a built Areana for a team, their Fans have been asking and even people from Montreal wants a team in Quebec City
I really hope they don't leave. This is the only sport I really like to watch.
You can still play whack-a-snake?
I am from Québec City... I can tell you it suck for a little while, then you figure out how to change the channel.
Plenty of (most of the time even better) hockey to be had, especially in the 21st century with live and delayed streaming...
I heard a rumour that they could move to Toronto and pay rent to the Leafs. Very unlikely, but that would be wack
Respect the Flyers’ representation under the jersey
And we’re back at square 1! What a S***show
I hear about the possibility of a new arena in Tempe (near ASU), but I’m skeptical about any attempt to build a new arena in the market unless the owner is putting up all the dough himself (not sure the voting public has much appetite for it)
The new owner has stated multiple times he would pay for a new arena with his own money, no public funding.
@@huntercopeland9371 I don't know if I'd trust a guy who would sell fake jerseys in his own team store...
@@huntercopeland9371 if he’s willing to put all that money into it then go on ahead, but I’ve never heard of an owner volunteer to pay for something he could get for free
The owner is already tired of losing money in the state so its highly unlikely he would pay for an arena there.
I believe ASU already has plans for a division one arena.
Hope they stay in AZ, I think you are right about Houston. I would like to see teams in Houston, KC, and Quebec
In my opinion, Houston and Quebec City will be the two cities that are going to be fighting each other for this team. Both cities have wanted a team(or their team back) for years! Houston would give Dallas a rival, and Quebec puts another team in Canada.
I think both would make money and be successful. Personally, I think Houston makes more sense RIGHT NOW, as they have an owner, a building, a fanbase, and everything.
It will be interesting to watch and see what transpires for this franchise.
Man, I feel bad for Coyotes fans. They've been through a lot.
Quebec has a brand new 300 million dollar arena that fits over 18,000 fans and is the largest hockey arena in North America that doesn’t have an NHL team playing in it.
As much as I love the idea of the Nordiques coming back, its probably going to be Houston. Ownership is from the South, Texas’ economy is booming, and provides a far bigger market.
@@SpaceFarmer7 Toyota center can also seat 18,000 for basketball/hockey and Houston Metro area has a 7 million population compared to Quebec Cities 550ish. It's about money right now for the league not nostalgia.
@@DoBap_ Not to mention an instant rivalry with Dallas.
Tempe seems like the best option for them in the Phoenix area. Most of the yotes season ticket holders live in the east valley as well. People who don’t live here really don’t understand how many hockey fans live here. The team did just put in a bid for land in Tempe and it was the only bid received. We will see how that goes but hopefully the city of Tempe approves it. Would be amazing!
Move them to Tempe temporary, and then potentially to old town Scottsdale, or maybe east of Scottsdale, there is land! They will do so much better than Glendale. You're absolutely right, we took a trip to go see the Yotes, stayed in Scottsdale and then drove to Glendale just for the game and left.
I lived in tempe for a time from Detroit.
The drive to Glendale was like the same drive from Detroit to the silver dome.
There are fans in the East valley. Move them there and the fans will come
The Indians have land and money, that’s an obvious move
@@davidkruse4030 The drive to Glendale from Gilbert, especially on a work night is just too far. East valley is home to a lot of people. I think Tempe could work.
Tempe most likely. Agreed that Houston and KC are the immediate next-likelys. Long-shots are SLC Utah - why not?, New Orleans - which would be fun, and San Diego (a town with not much else to root for these days).
Please please please bring them to Houston, I don't wanna drive 3-4 hours to see a Dallas game every now and then.
Austin needs a sports team. I’d rather they go there and have a dedicated fan base than be the fourth or fifth most popular team in Houston
@Geo me cards Yes sir, it was worse when I went to college down south, that was an 8 hour drive. I know it's cliche to call Texas big but it really is big lol.
Damn and if that bullet train ever gets finished the rival hockey fans would have a 90 minute train ride (plus a short Uber/bus ride) to the games
As someone who lives in Arizona. Downtown Phoenix is a nightmare when it comes to sports venues. They are on top of each other basically, across the street from each other.
And when Baseball is in season, which is majority of the year its even worse.
But fan base wise it's split. Some do and some don't want the team to move back down town
Kansas City has a building… but ZERO additional infrastructure to support an NHL team. Signed, a Kansas City hockey fan
Would a team make it there the Scouts were there from 1974-76 failed miserably
I think if in the future the NHL expands to say 34 teams, I think Kansas City should have a second chance at an NHL franchise. Besides Atlanta, Minnesota and Colorado had second chances at an NHL franchise (also the Winnipeg Jets).
Brings new meaning to the quote Houston, we’ve had a problem here. it's time to move the franchise out of the State of Arizona. Of course I wish it was back to Canada but Houston is more likely. Space Coyotes go to the Houston Space Center and the team is now called the Houston Starships.
Where will Auston Matthews go to now when his contract runs out?
Sabres
My grandparents use to have season ticket when they went down to the states for the winter
Argument for relocation for Houston:
Almost no Houstonians have a loyalty to an NHL team, while Quebec City has a large population that is loyal to an NHL team. So if the league wants to grow, don’t just move fans, make new fans
Argument against relocation to Houston: Why get less money short term when the NHL could extort someone in Houston in 5-10 Years for a License fee over $1 Billion USD
Yotes need to be relocated to a safe hockey market and the only place that is safe is Canada
I hope they find a way to stay in Arizona, it seems like they have a good plan on the ice moving forward and if prefer to see Justin as an expansion team.
Clearly this new ownership is committed to staying in the Valley. I don’t for see them relocating to Quebec or Houston sorry for those who are hoping for that.
I believe a deal with Tempe is closer than what we realize. Glendale doesn’t want to look stupid so they decided to say what they said because they know the Coyotes will be leaving. And they want the door to hit them on the way out
I like your confidence... but they’re gone
I hope you're right
You say they’re gone but know nothing of the current situation with the new arena deal and new owner. Lots of ignorance and just straight up false information in these comments.
Coyotes are staying in Phoenix there’s no doubt about it. Just where the new arena will be and when it will be ready are the biggest challenges.
So it didn't work in Phoenix. It didn't work in Glendale. Why is it gonna work in Tempe?
@@esharp48 The building in Phoenix is not set up for hockey
As a Coyote fan their are 3 possible options in the Phoenix metro area.
Glendale.
The Suns arena downtown. Where they started with the obstructed views.
Or the old colosseum at the Phoenix fair grounds.
A new building would take a couple years to build. So there are no good options.
As ticket holder this season I am disappointed with the news and with the direction of this team has taken.
It seems like we are tanking the season ready to move and win the draft lottery. With a new city and number one pick.
The city of Glendale towards the Coyotes franchise is how I feel towards the EA Sports NHL franchise
Moving to Glendale was the worst decision ever. They’ll work something out in Tempe or Scottsdale and nearly 80% of premium season ticket holders are in the east valley. Shame we lost so many years to a boneheaded decision but I really think this might be the beginning of a really healthy Arizona hockey franchise (finally).
@Sawyer So True and Moving To Glendale Was a Bad Idea by The Coyotes Without Question!
I really hope something gets worked out in AZ. Coyotes fans have been through enough and I think people really overrate the potential of a Houston team. Phoenix is a huge city with a lot of midwest transplants who love hockey. I also think the move to the Central Division would have been great for the Coyotes, as it’d greatly increase the number of games they’d play against the Blackhawks, Wild, Blues and Stars.
Houston is the 4th largest city in the US and the 5th largest metro area. It's potential is not overrated.
That being said, I hope the Coyotes stay. Especially now that the team is finally looking like it has a plan.
Lived in AZ for 20 years loving the Yotes, moved to STL recently so I've been looking forward to the move to the central.... now if they are possibly moving I guess I have to hope for them to go to KC? Ugh it's tiring.
@@geoff3103 can't take the hurricanes. The hurricanes are in the east. I don't think Carolina is an inherently bad market either. The most important thing is that the team is successful at least in part. People forget that the Penguins were on the verge of relocating until Mario Lemieux stepped in to buy the team.
I'd like a team in Houston or Kansas City, but I don't see a way for that to happen without Arizona relocating. I don't really want the Coyotes to move. Problem is that there are more than 32 places where teams would be supported. Obviously Quebec City, but I also wouldn't mind seeing another team in the Toronto Metro. And I wish Atlanta got a shot with a decent team and more competent ownership. It's one of the reasons I don't hate the idea of expanding beyond 32 teams. Obviously a tricky business because of talent diffusion, but if you could grow the game in the southern US it would help the talent shortage. You need look no further than Auston Matthews to see that at work.
@@geoff3103 yeah. Kinda why I said Carolina more generally. Couldn't remember what city they played in.
@@UltimateBreloom I don't doubt that Houston's a bigger market than Phoenix, but I do doubt its relative affinity for hockey. The Coyotes have been there for 20 years now, have a steady supply of hockey fans from up north and a growing interest in the sport from the people who've grown up in the Valley. On a long enough timeline, I'm sure Houston could be a better hockey city, but Phoenix being the 5th largest city in the US and having already established its hockey roots there would mean the Coyotes would be walking out on only a slightly smaller market. Not to mention, they would have to start the last 20 years of establishing themselves in the city all over again.
Shannon, the Coyotes would do great in Scottsdale or Tempe. 77% of the season ticket holders live in the East Valley. The arena is an hour away currently in the West Valley. Build the arena in the East Valley and they'll do fine.
Poor AZ sports guy. He will have to become a Vegas fan.
I speak for myself but im sure a lot of Coyotes fan would agree id rather die than be a Vegas fan, despise that team and the dirty plays from Reaves and Stone constantly. Team can kick rocks. I honestly over the years have grown to hate them more than LA but thats just because LA has been bad the past years lol
@@landenmccormick5237 Dirty plays yeah right.
Salt lake maybe? I like the Houston idea as well. Too bad really that nobody could make it work in Arizona. Thanks for the video Shan