How to fix the Panigale heat issue: Installing a Panigale Heat Shield
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- How to fix the Panigale heat issue: I think the Ducati Panigale is the best looking bike I have ever seen - in all of its incarnations. One issue all the versions of the bike suffer from though is a hot rear end where the plumbing for the exhausts exits the engine and coils around under the rider - this leads to a very warm backside! In this video I show you the new Panigale heat Shield from the people that brought us the Throttle Spacers - until now my favourite Panigale mod by far! Stay tuned to find out more....
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Great video. You may want to mention that the discount code to use is "MISSENDEN" on the panigaleheatshield.com website
Thank you for that - I'll pin the post....
That's great to see some manufacturer's are finally seeing the value your audience can bring to their product sales.
I don't even own a ducati, let alone a panigale, and I still watch all you videos :)
The code not working
Watching this video brought back all the grim memories of spending six hours trying to re-install an infinitesimal screw that connected the upper and lower fairing of my 888. It convinced me that Ducati engineering has a sadistic bent. I once took a five day ride up into the Trinity Alps of Northern California; in addition a total electric cable meltdown due to engine heat, I also scored a 30mm circumference 2nd degree burn to my rear thigh because of the intense heat. Mind you I was wearing proper racing leathers, but the heat was that intense. I only came across your videos an hour ago, but you do a better job than the so-called UA-cam "pros". Thanks.
Wow, thank you very much!
Dont know why I'm watching this, not got a panigale and dont want a panigale. Love your videos, so much better than the dross on TV. Keep up the good work and have a nice Christmas. Stuart
You clearly are a man of exceptional taste Stuart! ....and same to you...all the best - TMF
Another cracking video Mr. Flyer. But, did my ears deceive me? Did you say Panigalian? Should it not be Panigalista?
There's no way I'd have tried that job. There would've been bits pinging around the garage, clips broken and the swear jar full. Hats off to you TMF, good effort.
Thank you Colin, I was a bit wary but all turned out well in the end, went back together a treat!
No end to your talents! Best motorcycle vlogger on UA-cam, videos are a pleasure to watch! Watched virtually all your bike review videos and others! 👍
Thanks for the kind comments - much appreciated! All the best - TMF
It's always nice to see fellow rookies get stuck into working on their bike. It encourages me to do more myself too.
First man I've seen to read instructions.
Well I am slightly metrosexual, that possibly explains it (I also like musicals and shopping)....
By far the best video on this topic. Thanks for making such a thorough video.
Why would I enjoy watching a vid of a guy fitting a heat shield on a bike I don’t have?Who knows. You have more patience than me. Great work. Next job would be installing a heated seat kit
Yeah I don't get it either, but this is the sort of thing I watch too even when it has no relevance to me.....
Looks to be a very smart upgrade. When Jeret Campisi did the Panigale they did, they also used thermal tape up under the actual heat shield for the exhaust also; which they were very happy with. I personally removed the foam from under the fuel tank of my '13 Street Triple R that Triumph calls a 'heat shield' (!!) and replaced it with some (pricy) thermal tape that really seemed to do a much better job. Might be something to consider for your (beautiful) Panigale in addition to the kit you just added. Seems like a logical thing to me and based on my own experience... a smart one to consider.
My 1199R gets mighty hot here in Sydney. Its a dedicated Track Bike and it only suffers from heat when/if I need to stop soon after Track exit. Great Video too let me say. cheers!
Great video. I purchased the kit and installed it while watching your video. Numbering the parts along with the step in the manual was a nice touch. Great job.
How did it do getting rid of the heat?
Another cracking video, i dont have a Ducati, but always like to watch your stuff, a pleasant, easy view, nice job, well done TMF. Those Ducatis and Yamahas, way too many flaps plastic bits and parts to lose, my Daytona seems a doddle in comparison.
Cheers - always good to have you along! All the best - TMF
options: The fan switch mod has been discussed extensively on numerous threads. If you do not want to deal with a manual switch, Trail Tech makes a micro thermostat switch that clips on the radiator that has a miniature LCD display (it's very small)You can program the temp to the desired setting. Just wire the fan to the unit and it will switch the fan at whatever setting you provided.
I think your video's are the main reason I will get a 899 ;-) And this mod will be the first! Keep up the video's!
Cheers Peter - make the throttle spacer your second! (oh, and don't forget to follow my links and claim your discount!!)
perfect timing mister flyer, my kit is due this week and its full summer here in Australia! Love your work
Great stuff - will be interested to hear how you get on with it?
Nice video! I love the irony of installing heat shielding in winter but totally understand how project timelines work. 🙂 I also installed the spacer and will look on their website to see if they have a set for the big brother 1299. Now I know where the difficulties are in the installation.Thanks again.
Question, I work with thermals in lighting LEDs actually. My concerns would be yes the thermal image shows a reduction but heat has the go somewhere so it’s reflective and my guess is it goes back on to the engine. So worth a look out to see if the engine runs hotter not normally a good thing. Hopefully they did a thermal test in a wind tunnel to get the correct thermal graph. 👍 looks good though and will save your backside getting hot 😀
Good point.....
I did something similar with my Monster 1100 using the gold heat resistant tape as the only thing between the rear exhaust and the fuel pump is a thin piece of plastic that had charred. It was a rewarding job and seems to have done the trick.
Lovely example of engineering that Panigale. I need to save up my pennies up to buy one, but hey ho. Luckily my better half loves motorbikes :-)
Lucky man!
I'm sure that in England the Panigale produces a "bit of heat around your backside" - where i live, it Totally Cooks ya Kahoonas (just as well the breeding program is finished). Installing the heat shield will be my next CV-19 Stay at Home project. Cheers
Don’t forget to use my link in the description for a discount!
Sorry I had to laugh when you picked up the seat off the bench to clean it before applying the heat shield and said "making sure not to drop anything" then something falls on the floor, great expression on your face :)
Great video, nice job on the mod for the heat issue
I watched even though I don't have a Panagale! Liked the idea of putting the masking tape on the bench so you could label the fittings to make reassembly easier MF. I put all the panels off the GS on the floor on a sheet when I stripped mine down and put the fittings back in place but for what you were doing it was ideal. I was waiting for you to knock them on the floor with the seat LOL but fortunately that didn't happen.
Yes that's the sort of thing that normally happens, glad it's not just me.....
just got a 1299 S, will be using your videos for guidance!
Congratulations!
Hi TMF, can’t tell you how nice it is sitting on my sofa watching you doing that job. It’s a bit of a faff ain’t it?
I’ve done similar jobs when I used to have Aprilia sports bikes, they are really infuriating and you certainly need to be in the right frame of mind to start the job. You certainly live dangerously by nicking Mrs Flyers beach towels for petrol syphoning operations. Nice vid mate but I really feel your pain. End result is great.
Thank you Mike, and I like to live on the edge as far as Mrs Flyer is concerned.....
TMF!!! Hats off to you Sir, great work. You should be on Quest or Discovery Turbo. Perfect man cave viewing.
Wouldn't that be nice! Thanks for the kind comments....TMF
Very detailed. Great video, made installing it a breeze. Never stop making them :)
Thanks...
Excellent in depth tutorial, Flyer!
Cheers!
At least you read the instructions first TMF,good on you for doing it yourself👍
Always RTFM!
Ho ho ho . It was like watching a mirror image of me a few years ago ( except no Ducati or posh garage ) but loads of enthusiasm commitment but a general lack of knowledge/confidence.
Good job well done , no drama . You’ll find next time your ocd cleaning, tank ‘ll be off along with the seat and panels.
Keep up the good work ........
P.S. Z900RS now in dealers , use your influence.. please test one before I buy one .
....it's on the way Andy, just waiting for the demo bike rather than the display one....
As per usual a great vid. We do need more 899 Panigale content though! 👍🏻
Yes it’s been a while since I rode her....
@@TheMissendenFlyer I'm hoping to get out on mine today, weather pending. Just waiting on a friend.
Great install & what a lovely day to go and test ride! 👍🏻
Indeed it was....not quite like that today alas!
I love the use of toilet paper to set the screws on and mark their location.😆 I’m finally going to be getting around to performing this job on my 1299. I think our motorcycles are similar enough that I will have to go through the same steps. I like your video on this though.
Good luck Chris!
Matt Hudson from the Workshop would be proud of you, as so am I.🤩
That is one good looking bike
Thanks TMF, I always panic a third of the way through fitting any aftermarket part that I should have had a pro do it but then after completing it thinking it wasn't so bad. Given the amount of complaints about the heat on the Panigale and the number of bikes it effects I'm surprised Ducati don't sort the issue. I don't believe anyone should have to correct something like that.
Yeah it is a bit rubbish isn't it - I guess it's all part of the joy of owning an exotic bike.....I think of it like a tasty Italian girlfriend, high maintenance but very much worth it....
Let's keep your italian high maintenance girlfriend off the record. Mrs flyer might not take too well to that idea 😂😂
Why doesn't Ducati fit these heat shields from factory? I mean, how much would that increase the price of the bikes?
Good question!
thx for the video ...really help me out....I just did my 959 ..well made video
Glad to be of use!
Nice job TMF ! I think I'll give it a go as well for my 959 both the heat shield and throttle play plastic insert. The 959 is hot to ride in the summer over here especially on the 40C plus days and I've noticed the throttle play more since seeing your how2fixit video. Thanks also for the discount code, I will report back after I've installed the mods, cheers :-)
Good man SP - that throttle mod in particular is a winner....you gotta do it! Look forward to hearing how you get on...also have you fiddled with the EBC setting? Since I backed off my engine braking the bike is a whole lot easier to ride...
Actually I quite like the default 959 EBC setting, in Race mode anyway. When I first got the 959 I thought the engine braking was almost non existent (like a 2 Stroke engine) compared to previous 2008 Monster 1 litre S4R and Ducati 916 prior, both of which had massive engine braking completely overpowering the back brake. 959 EBC is more subtle initially at onset due to slipper clutch no doubt and I often use it to modulate entry speed into corners rather than touching brakes, the Throttle mod will make this control even better I am hoping :-)
Just a tip: It’s a good idea to put a dab of Threadlocker on the 3mm seat screw.
I'll go and do that in a mo!
Hey i getting one that says burn interior is there anything you can tell about this
The bike is still looking good 👍
Yeah she's lovely aint she?
Mate you should have waiting until someone did a video if this job lol another great vid
I plucked up the Courage to do my windshield after watching your video. I’d love to do this too, but the side panels make me veeeeery nervous
Yes they did me too but if you take your time and understand what fits where, don't force anything, then it's actually straightforward...
Really great video as always, beautiful bike as well👍
Thank you on both counts :0)
Thanks for you video. Just done the same on my 959 (took me 3 hours). I have to say this thing doesn't solve the heat issue dramatically. Still feel the heat between the legs however the heat is bit more tolerate than before.
I assume if you ride in city a lot, it would be good investment. Or save your money, just wear leather and ride fast. haha
Indeed - every little helps though eh?
Sure is and so is mine more so now with the a new gold chain and supersprox fitted, I see many 1199 with engine side covers removed how hot must they be
Great video, (as always), very good camera angles. One of the biggest mistakes in the normal UA-cam 'how to do it video' is poor lighting with badly positioned cameras, yours is so clear, it's obvious you have spent some time and effort to get it just right. Also when working on your own fragile jewel-like superbikes, you are taking great care and allowing plenty of time to make a good job of it, do you think dealers will try as hard not to break parts during servicing?
Who knows John, I'm aware I'm a rank amateur and don't know what I'm doing so try very hard not to break anything and understand what it is I'm doing as I go....I like to assume that dealer mechanics are professionally trained and know their stuff......ass/u/me?
As always, another great video..
Thank You :0)
In case anyone was wondering what the purple bottle of meths is, it is methylated spirits (methanol/ethanol blend). Here in the US it's sold as HEET (yellow bottle) which is 99% methanol. The red bottle is not the same formula, I believe it's isopropyl alcohol or the likes. Cheers!
I had no idea meths wasn't a universal thing!
TheMissendenFlyer I read about it a while back, but as I understand, meths is an international thing but a non-US thing. The guidlines vary in some countries as to how much of the formula consists of actual methanol, some 50-50 etc, plus a small amount of denaturant to make it undrinkable, and outside the US it appears purple coloring is added. I'm guessing in the US we would rather a child mistake it for water instead of grape kool-aid, as we apparently consume more kool-aid than water. ;)
Can't help wondering why Ducati wouldn't do this themselves? That 10 degrees hasn't disappeared, it has been reflected back at the rear cylinder. I wonder if the temperature imbalance increasing between the cylinders is why Ducati opted not to do it at the factory? Just a thought. Lovely bike, I don't own one but I can see beauty. I am more a Parallel twin fan, great vid as usual! Had you considered Asbestos trousers?
Cheers Lodge Cav....and I do wear asbestos trousers!
Asbestos trousers! Do you remember the Bestobell Man?
Excellent video as always. But can you imagine a car owner doing all this work to correct a design flaw? As ever with Italian machinery, form over function. This mod should be a Service Action by Ducati, imagine paying a main dealer to install it? Parent company Audi's customers wouldn't put up with such a charade to solve a product issue.
Probably true.....but us bikers love to tinker eh?
I recently bought Ducati 959. Below are the queries to be resolved.
1) My Ducati gets hot just in a while. May be in 15 km of ride on80 km/hr speed. What could be reasons for this?
2) I run on “HI” flag warning for 15 km one time at speed of 100 km/hr. Is it recommended to ride the bike on hi temperatures.?
3) fan start at 100degree. N fan flow towards the ground, may be flow towards up to engine?
4) what shall be the ideal speed per gear.?
Please do reply at the earliest for all above.
Regards
Ranjit
I have a V2 and the heat on warm days is a killer to the extend I have burns :-(. Now that you have fitted the heat shield and it’s been a while.. have you noted a difference? I do t want to start the fiddly job unless it has benefits. Thanks and love the videos!
Yes I think it does help - and it’s not that fiddly to be fair….
Looks like there's some space under the gas tank and the top of the engine, can't we just quickly wrap/slip a large heat shield sheet under there? Just got my Ducati 959, I am concerned about the heat, too.
Don’t see why not - congratulations on the new bike by the way....
Yeah, I'll give it a try. Thank you!
Great video,
I have a remark regarding the way they put the exhaust and the ECU. Is bad. For sure heat and electronics are not good friends.
I know a case with the can bus form GS adventure oil head and the place where it was fitted was on the left side, under the thank. That thing was getting so much heat from the left cylinder that the circuits got fried.
Maybe a heat shield for ECU wold be a good idea to.
Indeed - I'm not even sure where the ECU is on the Panigale?
I assumed that is under the seat, but actually is not, but still, under the seat is the black box abs/traction control for ECU. maybe i m wrong, but worth it to check it out. I s beauty, not perfect, but still a beauty :-)
Ive been curious as to how much of an improvement these kits are. Ive found the comfort seat has helped reduce burnt balls on the 959 , but a 150 mile ride on a hot day in the summer had me applying burns cream to the inside of my legs they had cooked that bad 🙁
Really? Wow, I've not actually had physical damage as a result of the heat - but then I ride like a pansy and tend to clean my bike more than I ride it....
Can you give us an update on how the heat shield worked out?
Still a hot bike but a noticeable improvement, defo worth doing.....
I would love to see somebody make some kind of plate to go above the exhaust curl under the rear seat so you could remove the carbon shroud and have a sexy bit of titanium on show.
I've removed my exhaust heat shield to show off the pipe. But I've wrapped the pipe. Gives it a bit of a race bike look IMO
If I ever get a Panigale I'll know how to do it! Lol no reason to watch, but very entertaining nonetheless. I've done my bit of install videos and I can only imagine how long it took you to record this one, with all the camera angle changes and audio sync... a ton of work for sure! Good job!
Thank you Critical Rider - glad you appreciate the effort (and yes, this was pretty much a whole day of faffing about)....
Another informative video, not a huge Ducati fan, thinking back to the first 916 which came home on the back of an AA truck more times than was funny. But everything has got better, so never say never. As I'm also fanatical when it come to the detail.. something fell off as you took off the left hand side panel.. 21:54 you see a small black item hit the floor, was it just a stone or a grommet ? Nice to know you could feel the difference. Take care.
Ooh well spotted Gary, I shall go and check that out - thanks....
1199 burned a big Fxxking hole on the left leg of mine Alpinestar textile/goretex pants after only 15 min on the bike! So hot, but the D675 was hot as well as the hot steam/condensation from the engine/radiator got on the inside of the wind shield and on the visor of the helmet when standing still waiting on the lights to turn green in the city on certain days. AND when you just want to visit a nice coffee place during a hot summer day in a tanktop/t-shirt and shorts (speed is max 50km/h in the city) people ask why you shave your legs... :P
Great vid. On my way to order those bits now. I noticed you blurred out the speedo on the run at the end of the video ;-)
Yet, has no issues showing us his reg plate which means you can find out whatever info you would like!
Great video. Just a side question - I see you have a vinyl tile floor covering. Do you find the finish to be good and worth the money. Thanks.
Yes I do - it was on a roll from Costco (not tiles)...
Great video and thank you for posting. I'm considering a V2 and so am wondering about the heat issue. Might be a crazy question but I'm wondering if you think putting on two layers of this heat shield kit would a) be possible; and b) reduce the heat even more? Thank you
Err I think it would be possible, whether it would have twice the effect I dunno....logically you'd think the more the better! Interesting off the wall idea!
well done. nice job.. if ducati did that job it woud b very expensive!
No bad thing in this weather. Even my CBR500R gets a bit toasty.
True, but in the Summer these Pani's get REALLY hot....
Did you find much of a reduction in heat??
I’m in the process of buying an 899 Panigale at the moment. Is there anything else apart from the heat issue to be aware of??
Love your channel, awesome content 👏
It makes a significant difference but she still runs hot (actually quite nice in the UK climate) - other than that I'd say be sure the paint has a potection film on it as the 899 didn't get a clear coat layer for some bizarre reason....oh, and get a throttle spacer fitted.
Excellent video.... like your overalls ... where did you get them?
the RAF
Did you find the little rubber piece that fell when you took the second side panel off?
Yep - all is well... :0)
Great video, however what is the bike tracker you mentioned I believe by "Road angel" I checked their site and only see camera warning and dash cams. could pass info on that. thanks
That's the one ("Subscription")
Thanks for the update but it seems it is only available in the UK. I am in Nova Scotia and am considering the Spot Gen 3 for tracking. keep up the good work.
Well done!
Hi, do you still have a discount code for the heatshield kit?
Yep - deets below most of my recent vids....
Even the scrambler range suffers from similar heating issue,what with the bike being air cooled to begin with.....they have a similar after market kit to deflect heat away from the seat
...don't see it helping a great deal though
..
Time will tell!
After long time use, do you really notice much improvement in heat reduction?
Yes - it’s not a huge reduction but it certainly calms things down somewhat so well worth the money and time to install in my opinion...
Oh, and those plastic poppers? Push down the centre spike to free them, push back in to secure again, .... a-la CBF600S fairing fixings
Yes someone else mentioned that - thanks for the tip! (next time!)
Your rear tire looks huge and I love it. I have the 959 but my tire does not look like that. What are you running? Love the videos.
Standard tyre sizes and I’m running Pirelli super corsas.....
Any updates on how much this reduced heat?
Yes noticeably but still a very warm ride!
Hello there Mr TMF.... I am looking to buy both the spacer and heat shield kit as a combo. I also waited till now I've bought the comfy seat. So.... I would be interested to know if the heat shield kit worked for you on a hot summers day? Did you notice the bike running hotter as the heat is possibly reflected back to the engine etc? On my first run with the comfy seat, I've already noticed the seat it's self has already reduced the heat to my bum. I'm not too worried about the heat in general but any reduction in heat does add to the comfy value to the ride. Interested to hear your thoughts and views before I purchase the kit. Many thanks, Ash.
Yes defo reduction I reckon - not scientific I know but it seems to work for me! Don't forget to use the link in my description below for a discount if you do buy...cheers - TMF
Nice one... It's a bit pricy for both but if they work and improve the overall riding experience then you can't put a price on that. Thanks for your response, I'll give it ago and let you know how I get on. Thanks again 🤘🏻👍🏻
The throttle spacer in particular transforms the bike....
Lovely bike TMF. Looked a bit fiddly eh? Good going.
...actually it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be - thanks for watching - TMF
Wouldn’t it be a lot easier to get a pair of Panigale Heat Shield Aluminum Foil Shorts?
Yep - may chafe a little though...
Where is your trusty Haynes manual? Maybe drop a hint to Mrs Flyer about a stocking filler !!!
Good call!
TheMissendenFlyer not my idea im sorry to say,got off some bloke on you tube,banging on about christmas gifts for under a 50 notes,hahahaha
It may have been easier to make a pair if pants out of the same material and wear them when riding a Ducati 🤔
I already wear them....
Nice video, just wondering if you actually did the cleaning on the back of the engine? Hopefully I'll see you at a track day...
No I didn't actually - to my eternal disgrace...
TheMissendenFlyer brilliant, we have that same ocd thing about cleaning the bike! Are there any more flying vids coming as well.. I get that you’re flying out of the aero club, but wondering do you get over to Biggin Hill ever?
Can you put two layers of that?
I think probably not / it is quite thick
how much would this cost for someone to fit for me ? do you know anyone that could fit this for me ?
I wonder if two layers would of been worth doing.?
Dunno, why do you think one won't be enough???
Top job by the way TMF !. I just had a thought whilst watching your install and It made me wonder if it was possible having two layers stuck down and if that shielded even more heat..? Double the cost obviously and depending if the seat and side panels fit together flush again.
Again, nice vid... love the Duke.... do you know if they do a kit for a TEX..?.. I have the 2016 model and it suffers terribly from a hot seat on a hot day (bigger cat I think)...
Not that I'm aware of - never heard of a TEX??
TheMissendenFlyer ......it's what us triumph explorer owners call our bikes....
Aha - got it - should have worked that out.....
Those plastic clips for the rear seat, push a screwdriver on the center of them and they unclip, rather than levering them out.
Duh - thanks for that....
I only worked it out after many broken ones!
You did well 😎👍
Thanks :0)
Nice job Bean, you would think Ducati would have known to do that ?
Great Videos good job well done
Thank you Eric - very kind of you to say so - all the best - TMF
You're welcome...very watchable videos. I'm just about to attempt to remove the heat shield cover on my Panigale 959 to get it carbon coated.....not sure if it is a good idea...looks a bit of a nightmare !!
Yeah, it was a right pain having mine replaced with the carbon one....good luck!
Thanks. Do you happen to know if the heat shield can be removed without removing the rear subframe. I am wondering if the subframe screws can be loosened and 'hinged' / propped up (like you did with the fuel tank) to allow the heat shield to be removed??
Top tip on degunking. Quick wipe with wd40 then on with the meths.
Does that help then? Not that I found the neat meths to be a problem....
TheMissendenFlyer yes if you get a hard to degrease area the wd40 works a treat. Not that you would need it on your bikes 😁
I'm no expert, but I'd have used Meths in preference to White Spirit or WD in your case, as +Grumpy Garry said if Meths couldn't remove any serious 'gunk' they maybe WD first, then Meths. Meths is an ideal cleaner if you are going to try to get something to adhere to the surface afterwards, as, as you rightly said, it leaves no residue, and dries quickly. Good tip on labelling all the parts and their locations on a piece of paper, and taking photos. What a faff....and a great video as always.
Why do you need to empty the tank, just switch the fuel tap under the tank to off before disconnecting the hose then no fuel will leak and you don’t have to empty it :)
Because of the weight of it (not worried about leaks).....
Most modern bikes I've tinkered with don't have a fuel tap, just a self-sealing fuel pipe connector. Changed the plugs on my Honda CB1300 without draining the tank but fuel is heavy, probably why.
Colin Morgan ah didn’t know know that, my 20 litre tank, I just turn the tap off and lift off
Isn't it about time Ducati just included heat shielding as standard on these expensive bikes?
Agreed
Hahahaha, I have just read below someone's suggestion you should just wear heat reflective pants. That's got to be worth a Google search!
...or if they're not out there patent the idea pronto!
Great video for Ducati owners, ..... got a spare pen mate? lol
The heat mostly comes from the engine, not exhaust.
I would have done the bit under the seat & left it at that lol